kings rest +19 aegis or nullification?
#protection
bronze acorn
sweet summit
aegis is pretty low-value in KR due to the small pulls
bronze acorn
ok ty
mortal pond
Is endurance minor worth it in raid?
sick sentinel
Formless void is typically the better play
mortal pond
OK ty
limpid pawn
That’s no fun, I think what people wanna hear is that going warden major and pulling just like the MdI players is the most efficient way to play, especially during bolstering and bursting weeks
Pug the holy priest healer too, make sure they are oceanic for a bonus
sweet summit
strong forum
You mean pug the rsham
Cuz I believe a holy priest has more output than an rsham
Even by playing badly
limpid pawn
Oh word, you’re right then
We gotta guarantee the most success
Make sure they don’t spec spirit link totem or anything that can prevent deaths in general
strong forum
Well slt is baseline, but make sure for them to play downpour and deluge
That will guarantee success
still pagoda
what is the best essence setup for M+ currently?
left hatch
for almost any key below the +20 range
VoP major with CnS, Lucid and either Str of hte warden or Sphere minors
left hatch
^
above 20's whats best is a lot more nuanced and situational
but below it that setup will be best in almost every circumstance
still pagoda
thanks
ivory barn
Wtb rotation that is more fluent than the one I'm currently doing.... Damn it
Watching MDI and top end warriors raiding M leave TC on CD is Soo 
strong forum
They're good at playing dungeons, not necessarily their class
slim pier
Wtb?
chrome palm
want to buy
ivory barn
I mean I'm not the best at it would rather slam SS than TC on ST
slim pier
I'd say SS has more prio on ST than TC
left hatch
it does
slim pier
Mybe I'm wrong
ivory barn
Yes, in MT I still see people hitting SS over TC tho
chilly brook
Depends on how many targets are out and if I need the rage
left hatch
technically for survivability purposes SS is better than TC
chilly brook
Several targets and I need rage ignore the TC
inland silo
if survivability is a concern then yea you prio SS
left hatch
even if by a small amount
strong forum
SS is always higher prio on ST, and higher rage gen in general
ivory barn
Something I'm like mentality doing is like greater than 3+ targets is TC every other global but 2> is SS swap target SS
chilly brook
In 2 I'd TC
left hatch
damage wise yeh at 2+ TC is better
and the survivability gain of doing SS is so minimal that us mortals will rarely encounter those situations
that it makes an actual difference
ivory barn
Ahh makes sense
ivory barn
TTyl
upper nest
how good is C&S in high keys compared to dynamo/aegis?
chilly brook
Conflict is much better tbh
warm plinth
Yeah, Conflict is one of the best minors in the game for a lot of specs.
chilly brook
Aegis has too many variables tbh to be better
At least consistently
Imo Aegis is better in lower keys and weeks where you can pull huge
Otherwise Conflict will consistently be better
upper nest
i've seen warrior running it as major aswell(not in necrotic week), is it worth losing lucid for it?
last mason
What makes conflict so good, isn’t it only worth like 4 sockets of vers
last mason
~200 vers
chilly brook
@last mason it's more than 200
And it's free vers
It's free damage and damage mitigation
distant crystal
opportunity cost of another essence in its place
ohhh you're talking conflict not aegis
upper nest
from the streams i've watched they run lucid major as an extra cd(naowh, nerftank)
still pagoda
no other minors can have that level of consistency
last mason
How much extra % does that translate into though @griff
I’m not disagreeing, just trying to understand it
@chilly brook
chilly brook
Driving give me a minute
distant crystal
keep your hands on the wheel m8
it's 480 vers
fully stacked
which it should be most of the time
2.8% DR 5.6% dmg/healing
chilly brook
About to park so I'll be typing up shortly @last mason
Oh wait wrong person lmao
@upper nest do you understand why they're running it?
Because if you dont you shouldn't be running Lucid major
Lucid, just like Conlict, as a major has a very niche use case that does not apply to 98.5% of people doing keys
upper nest
i thought as an extra cd tbh, and to get reduced cd on LS and SW
but if im wrong then im here to study 😄
chilly brook
You run Lucid major if you're doing huge pulls that revolve around you having back to back Avatars and no gaps in mitigation
still pagoda
which basically applies only to high tier keys and premade groups
not a thing you would pull off with pugs
chilly brook
Unless you're pulling that large and doing keys where you need to have that then its 100% worse in every situation compared to VoP
still pagoda
elder isle
does prot use PP major for vision?
upper nest
im currently doing 21s-22s with my group
chilly brook
I use VoP in visions
upper nest
should i stick to lucid or just give it up for VoP?
chilly brook
It's not necessarily a black or white use Lucid or not on key level
It's highly dependent on how you pull
ionic fern
Depends on the dungeon/affixes/group CD's.
elder isle
wait wait wait what wait what what what hold on a second
chilly brook
You actively have to pull around Lucid to actually have it be worth using
elder isle
ive been under the impression that Prot always used VoP major for everything
and now i see this???
whoa im doing something very wrong
ionic fern
No you're not.
undone sun
don't follow top builds
ionic fern
^
elder isle
so VoP good ?
chilly brook
Dont follow anything you see a top player doing without knowing why
chilly brook
Yes VoP is good
elder isle
yeah obvs i wouldnt copy
but... this is like 100% of builds for top players dont use VoP
so im curious
undone sun
even knowing why, it doesn't pertain to you
chilly brook
Knowing why let's you know that you dont need it 😛
upper nest
alright thx for the help 😄
ionic fern
@elder isle 2nd pin
elder isle
okay sorry i wasnt in the above discussion
i just scrolled up
so these are ok for mythic + generally?
switch Barrier for CnS when i get it tomorrow
and then back when i do heavy magic damage stuff like motherlode i guess
ionic fern
For the general purpose those are fine yeah. 🙂
elder isle
ty :)\
inland silo
you typically also want one of the corruption resist ones
elder isle
im at 33 atm but yea for sure
distant crystal
one place lucid major works nicely is if you're running with 2min cd classes'
like fire mage
pop lucid and pull the world while they bust and melt it all
elder isle
yea i am running with a mage always
my best friend is a mage
we arent super confident in his combusts
yet
sterile mantle
if im not able to do mythic ilgy which sheild yall think would be good?
distant crystal
there's a mythic boe you could buy
or whatever you can get from keys
opening weekly box as prot is a bit dicey
but you could score a sick corrupted 475 like that
left hatch
you never want to swap out CnS for barrier
CnS is our best minor, full stop
if you swap out anything, then it should be Aegis
unless you're pulling around it so that yo'ure constantly in combat with 6+ targets (including boss fights which is basically impossible this week) its inferior to CnS
chrome palm
they should change the rating to Mature for wow
so i had a mage in my guild get frustrated that i wasnt pulling around his combust in the atal 16 we did
is he right?
im not really that keen on big pulls this week
left hatch
uhhh sorta
chrome palm
like we wanted to do the first honor guard with the juju shield dudes and the stealth pack
left hatch
like its a guildie so there is an expectation of more cooperation and shit
chrome palm
i mean we were in comms
left hatch
but end of the day you right, its bolstering week and fuck mass pulling on bolstering
chrome palm
but like, idk what to say when we're already whiping to shit
chrome palm
lmaoooo
left hatch
10+ bolster stacks on spotters is yikes enough if you don't have roots on him
im not about to do that to other mobs that don't have a reason to get that high
chrome palm
yeah we depleted a shrine and an atal
and i was like, idk how to big pull here because their health is all different
left hatch
pulling around corruption windows isn't going to scuff a key lol
left hatch
shrine is just a bad key to mass pull anyway
cause unless you gotta lot of CC and know snap points
you're gonna go down to casts
make a route you're comfortable with
and he can plan his cds around that
not the other way around
chrome palm
yeah this is a hard week to time stuff
left hatch
what key levels were they
left hatch
eh tbh it sounds like your dps was just low
chrome palm
people also were getting hit by shit
left hatch
but not due to big pulls
chrome palm
like the slams on the last boss
left hatch
lul
chrome palm
yeah i call it everytime and they still get hit
left hatch
once you get to the point where you're having flawless no death runs
chrome palm
idk what to do for them lmao
chrome palm
yeah that's a good point
left hatch
your dps should be able to pull 70-80k overall with one pack at a time at that level
and if they're not its not on you
chrome palm
yeah i can almsot get that high on pulls
left hatch
i meant overall, not spiking on pulls
left hatch
but yeh thats part of being a tank
is ppl will blame you for everything that goes wrong in a key
and hoist BS strats on you with little understanding the consequences
cause all they think about is pumping
not 'is this tankable' or 'will my healer literally shit themselves'
chrome palm
yeah lots of people criticise the route after a deplete
i actually think my shrine route wasnt great
i did dratnos' this week
and the last bridge cucked us
the void bolts
from the squid bois
chrome palm
did you pull shit between aquasirr and the initiates?
left hatch
and did that like go ahead a bit, backtrack
chrome palm
the ele that throws you in the air, or the one that does the storm?
left hatch
the toss in air one, i did everything before him besides the other ele
chrome palm
dratnos route skips everything from aquasir up to the initiates
left hatch
skipped to 1st boss
chrome palm
like you take the tank smasher all the way to the fear guy
and skip all the people that do the runes on the ground
left hatch
cleared to Scarn room but not did scarn room -> skipped past storm ele bridge
left hatch
cleared 2 of the skele packs and everything around boss 2 -> skip to bridge
chrome palm
we skipped all elementals tho
left hatch
and then jsut said fuck the bridge and got all my extra from the eels
left hatch
good stuns tbh
chrome palm
the void bolts just fuck you
left hatch
cause theres not enough interrupts since everything is bad
chrome palm
i mean we did like shockwave, then nova, then fear, the DB
left hatch
either gives them immunity to damage, or lowers max hp
chrome palm
still got cucked
left hatch
probs just low dps
chrome palm
yeah
left hatch
some dps are just bad
chrome palm
my 1 guy i run with is good
left hatch
or never get outta the raid mindset that boss dps is all that matters
so they sit on cds -_-
chrome palm
but we've had trouble getting some others
i've had luck with people that run the other roles too
like people that tank and dps. or heal and dps
they always seem to be better
left hatch
gives you a healthy respect of what other roles have to cope with
so 'hey lets just chain pull like its tyranical teeming' on weeks like this
chrome palm
ive had the worst luck with people that only play ranged
chrome palm
idk what it is, but ranged only seem to have issue often
left hatch
never played a ranged, but from my friend that tried to dip his toe into melee
apparenlty melee is a lot harder
chrome palm
there are people in the guild that keyboard turn and click on their spells
left hatch
theres a lot more shit to not stand in
so they get kinda babied
thats entirely hearsay tho
chrome palm
i mean ranged seem to be unaware of patrols
like they just stand there and pull stuff
like the merethka room in shrine
triggers me
left hatch
my fav is the people that try to run away from stuff without any slows
chrome palm
lmao
left hatch
like... you realize their base MS is higher than yours right?
chrome palm
the kragmaw room
left hatch
yo'ure literally just making life more miserable for everyone else
chrome palm
people run the spider bois away from the other dps
and just die because the LOS the healer
left hatch
yeahpp
chrome palm
i had some other people say that the abyssal reach is a tank mechanic. The one from the fear guys in underot
is that true?
do i need to move so that they can get away from the tentacles?
i always thought they could move themselves away
left hatch
what
chrome palm
on the faceless corruptors
chrome palm
in underot
left hatch
thats it
chrome palm
the tank does?
chrome palm
meaning i should be moving the mob
left hatch
they're just bad/lazy
chrome palm
ok
that's what i thought
i've never heard anyone tell me i needed to move the mob around
left hatch
i mean if you have 3 melee you might have to to make room
but thats a worst case scenario, and if they die to a tentacle its 100% on them
chrome palm
yeah that's how i thought it worked
left hatch
lot less of a time loss to get out of melee range for 1s than it is to die to it
chrome palm
they tried to bamboozle me
left hatch
just bad players not taking responsibility for their fuckups
and if they constantly just blame the tank they're never gonna get better lol
frankly that can apply to most things that kill them, unless its like you doing a mass pull
theres usually something they could have done that woulda saved them....
chrome palm
yeah i generally just dont even respond to those kinda blames
sick sentinel
Just tell them you don’t speak turd
tame garden
I just blame the healer
sharp night
you do need to move away though, i always move when the tentacles spawn so melee can keep dodging easily
it's not easy when there's 3-4 of them underneath the mobs and taking a hit is oneshot
sick sentinel
I move them but I’ll be damned if some dummy tells me what to do
sharp night
you have to dodge them yourself too anyway so why not just move a bit more so melee can also move
left hatch
eh given my usual group is 1 melee
theres always plenty of space
never felt the need to move except for the double pack
and then its just a side effect of moving away from my own
certainly don't have to "kite them" as his group was telling him to do
sharp night
i just move them back and forth between 2 spots
left side of portal/right side of portal
easier for everyone
esp since you can't really tell how far the slam radius is
warm plinth
I think a lot of people move farther than they need to/don't really know how that mechanic works lol
So if anything I'd move them more just because of melee brain
strong forum
i can never truly tell where the tentacle are aiming
so i just fucking kite the mobs between casts
to literal safespots
cuz its also not guaranteed to be on everybody so theres some autistic rng to it
so in order to have the melee grugs outrun it, i go back and forth between their unaligned spell queued stupidity that the faceless dudes are
last mason
How much of a general boost is a masterful 3 to bom avatar
strong forum
12%
kekw
but in mathed out, around 240 mastery if you have 3x bom
so... judge that as you will, not really amazing
warm plinth
It aims wherever you were when it was placed Nome
So as long as you move like to the side of it, it won't hit you
Though you have to be careful of other people's, since those are harder to pay attention to in the middle of everything
warm plinth
😂 Better safe than sorry, for sure
What bugs me in pugs is when DPS run away at the start of the cast
So you hvae fucking tentacles everywhere
strong forum
dont need to gamble standing close to TheLegend27's tentacle
and then he slaps your girlfriends ass
wtf you gon' do bout it
tame garden
i mark myself and tell ppl to stack on me
strong forum
kinky
tame garden
makes it way less cancer
still pagoda
Why not
formal meadow
strong forum
Ilvl
ivory barn
trinket cannon engaged....
still pagoda
Haste trinkets go BRRRRRRRR
sick sentinel
If you are replacing a better piece just for the bleed, no
hallow phoenix
abyssal malevolence
sick sentinel
Same ilvl?
hallow phoenix
yeah
sick sentinel
No way my dude
sick sentinel
The off chance it procs when you have that bleed is not enough to rely on it
warm plinth
What's your team's comp?
hallow phoenix
we have no good management for soaking bleeds
sick sentinel
Or a hunter
warm plinth
Hunter, DH
warm plinth
Make a DPS soak it if you're gonna die taking another stack
hallow phoenix
yeah thats the plan
warm plinth
They can use a defensive
sick sentinel
Yeah I usually just have our dh take a stack
hallow phoenix
we have a DH but he's not practiced blade dancing the bleed
so he'll just take a stack
sick sentinel
And pull as few of them as possible
warm plinth
@hallow phoenix Tell him to get a WA for the timer. It dings when the CD is up, then he can just fel eruption after the bloodied leap and blade dance as soon as the stun wears off
hallow phoenix
i'll have to do that
warm plinth
Makes it stupid easy to time it
hallow phoenix
cause having him take care of bleeds is so good
warm plinth
Yeah it's awesome
hallow phoenix
any idea what the WA is named
warm plinth
Uhh, let me remote in to my PC and get it for you
It's been forever since I got it so idr
hallow phoenix
Berserker Debuff by radsrad?
warm plinth
@hallow phoenix https://wago.io/YbJ1VTeq6/1
hallow phoenix
404 not found
warm plinth
Figures. It is called Berserker Debuff so that might be the right one
warm plinth
No problem
undone sun
whole link preview to show absolutely nothing
warm plinth
I was remoted in to my computer man; it can barely do anything. I'm not gonna add extra work for it to do
undone sun
🤣
warm plinth
There, it's gone. Be happy
undone sun
very
leaden dune
What I’ll to tank 15s
Item level
Roughly
Well every mythic level
0=410 5=430 or whatever e
leaden dune
🙂
rancid moth
so for 15+ keys, which major should i be trying to utilize? Memory, AuG?
warm plinth
Vision unless you're doing like 22+
rancid moth
Really? Gotcha. Thanks.
warm plinth
There's a pretty good write-up in the pins if you want more info on when/how they're used
rancid moth
Perfect, thank you.
leaden dune
What’s good ilvl for each mythic level
mortal brook
within 15 ilvl of the content is comfy. more if good group is fine
warm plinth
Uhn tiss uhn tiss uhn tiss
outer dew
🥺
leaden dune
Thankyou so at 450 can do 15s
left hatch
some pugs require you to have over like 1500 io and 470 ilvl to do 15s
some don't care
its really hit or miss
its not so much will you be able to handle the content as will you be able to find a group
dawn jasper
I wouldn't take a pug for my 15 if they didn't have a decent io and weren't close to 470ish
Luckily @leaden dune its pretty easy to get up with visions, m+ runs and heroic raid clears
left hatch
honestly id worry less about 'what ilvl can i skip into 15's ' and more about just working your way up from 10+'s
if you don't know the routes or are uncomfortable on warrior
esp if you're so new you don't have a UI for it
you shouldn't be worrying about jumping into the highest (rewardwise) level of content
boost your io and the gear will come
left hatch
weekly too
sick sentinel
guys, i have nzoth heroic helm and a gambled chest with deaf+bastion, would you gamble chest again so i can get clock+bast and 475 nzoth helm? or gamble helm to replace 475 nzoth helm?
hallow phoenix
weekly it should be 460 right?
+15 - 475
+14 - 470
+13 - 465
+12 - 460
what are your shoulders
sick sentinel
shoulders i hope for skitra because you can pug it xD
sick sentinel
ok ty
left hatch
12 - 14 gives a 470 end of week
hallow phoenix
oh shit
yeah then definitely do +12s or something jordan
Will be way easier to get into groups AND you'll be far more likely to actually complete the dungeon with pugs
resulting in extra loot over time
hallow phoenix
@sick sentinel There are 3 azerite helms that I would consider good
and only 2 chests that would be an upgrade to what you have
left hatch
where 15's are the sweet spot for really bad players, that feel really entitled about needing it done in time
before things start to chill out at higher io's
sick sentinel
@hallow phoenix yea but helm only with deaf or?
hallow phoenix
3/6 of the residuum helms have BoM and 2 of those 3 have DC as well as the only other decent choice
left hatch
ideally your helm is hte slot you want deafening crash in
the best (outside of mythic nzoth) being Abyssal Malevolence helm
hallow phoenix
So yeah you're probably best off gambling for chest until you get ashvane or mechanized
left hatch
at this point id stop gambling and save tbh
sick sentinel
yes thats my thoughts too, just want to double check, ty
sick sentinel
i like gamble xD just an alt, no patience
but have to tanks 20-21s, thats why asking
jagged bane
hi all
hallow phoenix
hi
jagged bane
brand new to tanking and have just boosted a warr 🙂
trying to get a weakauras setup and doesn't seem to be working
is prot fairly easy for me to learn? and routes?
hallow phoenix
raider.io has weekly routes that are excellent
as for easy to learn, that's mostly up to you. But I think prot war is fairly straightforward in its abilities
You have one spell for mitigation - shield block
Two rage generators - Shield Slam and Thunder Clap
Two rage dumps - Revenge and Ignore Pain
and a filler with devastate
the guide on icy-veins goes over abilities and rotation quite well and would be a good first read
jagged bane
awesome, that breakdown really helped and i did check out the wowhead quick guide, will look over the ice-veins one too thanks
hallow phoenix
Biggest mistake most new prot wars make is prioritizing ignore pain over shield block. Ignore pain is used to dump rage so you dont cap rage. Shield block is what keeps you alive. A lot of newer wars also hold on to Avatar and Demoralizing Shout, when these abilities are best used off cooldown
with that in mind you should be good once you get the rotation down
left hatch
^ that and ppl tend to spam devastate
jagged bane
ahh this is fantastic thank you
left hatch
when anything else is up and ready to go
jagged bane
i tried to import https://wago.io/rkfLTbbSX because it looks super helpful but doesn't seem to be working? any ideas?
hallow phoenix
My only guess, because i dont use that set of weak auras, wouold be check the "Load" tab and see if it's set to only load in certain circumstances
hallow phoenix
I dont use any particular set of weak auras, just a few random ones here and there
I just have two very simple WAs tracking my avatar and demo shout duration, which places a counter over the buttons themselves as shown. Top bar is shield block / last stand duration. Bottom bar is IP shield
rest is just elvui stuff
There are several such shield block trackers but its just your basic duration bar WA tracking two different buffs
keen canopy
Worth dropping ilvl for haste proc corruption? 10 ilvl
hallow phoenix
most likely yeah
you could average the haste you get from the corruption and compare the two items like that
i believe haste proc is ~30% uptime
late kestrel
Which essences are you using for m+ as a prot war?
hallow phoenix
VoP major, cns lucid sphere warden minors
jagged bane
my bad! my issue was i had only imported 'Specifics' and not the whole set
do you use any focus macros in m+?
or raids?
hallow phoenix
I personally don't
I have a mouseover intervene macro and a target of target intervene macro for stuff that I can intervene
Such as Eudora powder shot
late kestrel
Got cns on level 2 and don’t wanna grind pvp tbh . I’m using major vop, minor aotd, lucid and endurance. Is it worth to swap anything for a lvl 2 essence?
Or should I grind some essences
warm plinth
What's your highest rating in arena?
hallow phoenix
Remind me what aotd is
hallow phoenix
Cns 2 is almost certainly better than endurance unless you need the resist
But it's really easy to get and if you have r2 you should be pretty close to r3
Just get to like 1600 and cap conquest
Healer + arms/fury is free elo
hallow phoenix
So much faster with a little extra rating though
left hatch
SotW is fine if you need the corruption res
its aeigs that is kinda iffy
but if its already r3 i wouldn't replace it with CnS till cnS is r3 as well
hallow phoenix
Sphere > aegis
hallow phoenix
Took me literally one hour to get r1 sphere
void hill
hallow phoenix
Not really no
jagged bane
My boost put me at 393 ilvl, can I try some M0s or am I not ready for that yet?
Want to gear up ASAP
hallow phoenix
You'll have an easier time doing a few WQs for 410 gear first. Just a few big pieces like azerite and legs, weapon, shield. Whatevers up right now
Thats what I did on my alt and I was able to blast a few m0s then jump right into some +4-5s
jagged bane
I guess I have to increase r.io same as always
I absolutely loved my first heroic dung just now
hallow phoenix
If your main has a decent score you'll get invited pretty easily still
jagged bane
I love the feeling of leading the pack and trying to go as quickly as poss
Only came.back 2 weeks ago think rogue's sitting at ~850
hallow phoenix
You can also just use your own key and people will come
jagged bane
Ah yes true, I'll probably prefer that option tbh
Thanks!
So excited to play more, got to sleep and work though, ty for helping me tonight! @hallow phoenix
hallow phoenix
Anytime that's what we're here for
last gazelle
Was scrolling up and reading. Double checking. I can intervene powder shot from Eudora?
sweet summit
Yea
royal rune
Surging vitality 2 worth it?
Also how far out of range do you need to be from the underrot ticks to not get hit
hallow phoenix
Whether a corruption is worth it or not completely depends on your alternatives
Vers proc by itself is pretty decent with a very good uptime
royal rune
I'm just noticing alot of the best mythic tanks stacking vers
I have TD 3 and trying to get as much vers as possible
royal rune
What works around 20?
hallow phoenix
The normal setup of vop major and a buttload of haste
I wear TD3 and expedient and do 20-21s
royal rune
Not lucid dreams?
hallow phoenix
Nah
royal rune
I dont have expedient
hallow phoenix
There's a pin detailing why lucid major is used and I've yet to run into that problem
I run expedient because it's my best corruption after my TD pieces, not because expedient is magical
In +20s you're likely best off wearing as much TD as your corruption budget allows and then filling the rest with whatever
sharp night
see the icon that looks like a pin in the top right
ripe ermine
Hi, for Prot M+ essences I should use - Major : Vission of Prot , Minor : Aegis , Lucid , Str of Wardens ?
hallow phoenix
Take out aegis and add cns and sphere to your list of minors
leaden dune
@dawn jasper honestly was fury before and struggled in visions then again have no idea favs and I’m getting 420 rewards haha and yeah not just gonna jump into 15s but was curious so I can get good weekly soon
Cloak rank 5
jolly coral
Anyone knows and addon or something for essence packs? For example, chain major and minors with one click, like talent set manager
And i'll go this week with Major:CnS, Minor:Aegis, VoP and warden
brittle owl
they're situational 🤷♂️
like, C&S is a locked in choice
usually you have a locked in choice for corr resistance minor
either formless if there is a CoF available, including yours
or SotW if not
then the other one depends on raid encounter vs mythic plus
C&S major is a really weird pick
1 minor slot is set and forget, the others change on independant conditions
the major has its own, independant conditions for changing
so an addon to make 'set' is sorta redundant
jolly coral
mmm i disagree with that... i use CnS, VoP, Warden and LDreams for Major, depend the case
And my minors change too...
leaden dune
How much of a lower ilvl shall I take for a twilight dev if I get one
I literally got no good corruptions
remote dawn
i play TD with 445 ilvl hands
cloud dagger
stark ruin
I run a 445 ring with TD2
And a 445 pair of boots with TD1 on my DH tank
It's shitloads of damage
leaden dune
Thankyou so it is huge even if I’m wuest drop
Wq td still be better then I literally got avoidance increase by 12% of haste haha
wise heart
is using shield block a waste of rage vs shadow of zul?
maiden ravine
this is my first week not bothering to do a key on my warrior I think
unless I do one here last second
ebon hound
@wise heart It only increases Shield Slam damage. You can't block him, no
wise heart
thanks
regal star
What essences should I use in raid?
placid mango
is the junkyard shield any good?
ebon hound
use it if it's your highest shield, but it is the worst of its itemlevel
placid mango
really? shit
ebon hound
Just be glad you didn't get in on your Elemental Shaman :)))))
placid mango
i'm tanking with a 385 right now because I haven't gotten a shield since uldir
lol
I'm 3 chesting 5s-8s because I can't do big keys with this trash shield
and getting no shields
ilgynoth, orga and radiance on farm
ebon hound
buy a 400 one for like 3k gold if you really want an upgrade
jagged bane
do i need S (backpedal) bound as a tank?
or do you/can you just strafe side/backwards
placid mango
i mean you can but it's less convenient
placid mango
strafing backwards?
that's holding your mouse and your strafe key
double the effort
also the 400 shields are 15k in my realm which I do not have to spare since I am broke here
so rip me
jagged bane
i just haven't had backpedal bound in all the years i've played wow
so feelsweirdman
maiden ravine
timed a 15 FH, why not haha
6th timed key
know there's no way I'm getting any next week timed
necrotic bursting hell
still pagoda
i'm tanking with a 385 right now because I haven't gotten a shield since uldir
i've basically bought out 400 crafted shield from auction house
tanked few +0's with 266 trash before this
maiden ravine
Chain run low atals or stuff til you get a shield
Did you get a conquest weapon already? Shield is an option for that
still pagoda
also. Is there any reason to run wm anymore? Since what i see is that AP requirements for lvl80 are so low that i didn't have any need to deliberately farm any AP in those 2 days after getting warrior to the level cap
Did you get a conquest weapon already? Shield is an option for that
Actually, thanks for reminding
still pagoda
yea... pretty much
i just can't farm Mechagon and other stuff because of amounts of horde
placid mango
CONQUEST SHIELD
SHIT YER RIGHT
WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY THIS YESTERDAY
fastest way to earn 400 conquest? xD
maiden ravine
It's one of the first things all my fresh 120s do, get a 440 weapon haha
What faction?
maiden ravine
Get against overwhelming odds, and call to arms vale
still pagoda
just run BG's... Better off doing arena with friends
placid mango
guess just doing all the CTAs
sweet summit
Pvp islands are fast
placid mango
right?
placid mango
all the call to arms followed by pvp islands and bgs?
is it 175 per or only for the vale one?
maiden ravine
It's 75 for aoo and 100 for cta vale
placid mango
aoo?
maiden ravine
Mechagon is 75 as well, and then tiragarde is 50
placid mango
aoo?
maiden ravine
Against overwhelming odds, the quest on the boat
maiden ravine
Gives 445 loot too
placid mango
and nazjatar?
maiden ravine
CTA rotates weekly. It's mechagon this week
maiden ravine
You can also try to catch a battle for Nazjatar
placid mango
I can do 360 just from world content then
maiden ravine
Join a party finder group when it's up, do the world quests and win is another 100+50
placid mango
gonna try this AD and if i'm not lucky i'll go do that
maiden ravine
You can also get 1 cache drop for 50
The supplies from a plane or a secret supply cache in an assault
maiden ravine
The supply drop in Nazjatar is a separate daily and it's 75 I think
They literally throw conquest at you if you try
I still can't believe my dk got td3 on his third m+ ever
sick sentinel
I have had wm on and ive never had an issue
maiden ravine
I keep it on just for the hell of it. If I'm ever really pressed for time, getting camped and somehow can't phase myself through group finder, then I'll turn it off for a bit
It amuses me how both factions accuse the other of bad manners
slim pier
Yeah
They're all people
it's not as if horde are wired differently from alliance
They're all the same people
maiden ravine
Both sides will have people who group up for cta, or who'll gank you to steal at rare at 10%
slim pier
Exactly
tardy spruce
noob question here, are you guys using potion of unbridled fury for m+? or empowered proximity one?
left hatch
fury for ST , str pots for... i think its 2-4 pulls and empowered proximity for anything bigger
tardy spruce
aight, thank you very much
sharp night
4+ is empowered
realistically fury probably outperforms str on 2 target too
i don't ever bother with str pots because having exactly 3 mobs is rare enough that it's not worth thinking about
remote dawn
i sim it few days ago, St Fury 2 targets also fury and 3 mob and more going proximity this are the best
sharp night
at 3 mobs str is very slightly better than prox
but it's not noticeable
1215 str vs 1080
so yeah
i am also just lazy and would rather farm/buy less herbs so only making 2 pots is better 🙂
remote dawn
on my sim no, proximity give standart 360 Str. and also on a mob 360 on 3 mobs 1440
fury on ST and 2 mobs and all more proximity
jagged bane
arms/fury equally good as an offspec for wquests and such?
strong forum
You get 360 Str per mob, so 3x 360 = 1080
placid mango
YOU GUESSED WRONG
strong forum
You don't get 360 Str baseline + 360 per mob @remote dawn
remote dawn
Empowers your abilities, increasing your primary stat by 360 for 25 sec. Your primary stat is further increased by the number of enemies within 8 yards of you, up to a maximum of 1800
text say so
left hatch
it does indeed
formal grail
Do we happen to have any guides on what to pull in m+ as a tank? A route is an okay suggestion but it doesn't usually show which packs to pull together (fairly new to tanking).
sweet summit
Is this another case of wow tooltips being shit?
remote dawn
and sim higher than str. potion on 3 targets
strong forum
It may say that
But you don't get 720 Str being in combat with 1 mob
Unless im completely sperging out
sweet summit
@jagged bane ye, not a big difference. Fury got a bit more selfhealing, but also requires 1 more two-hander
strong forum
left hatch
its 360 for 0 or 1 enemy
and 360 for every additional enemy beyond the 1st
just a very poorly worded baseline
strong forum
I mean, you could get from the tooltip 1 = 360
remote dawn
mmmhh
but why when i sim 3 targets with proximity and the same with str. 1215 potion is proximity better O.o
remote dawn
xD
strong forum
Sims aren't perfect ykno
left hatch
weridly enough the empowered prox does sim higher
by like 200 dps
but still
and thats exclusively sim fuckery
ionic fern
Hello.
slim pier
Hello.
sweet summit
Fix sim
left hatch
i do'nt think its on the warrior end
cause my other classes are simming with emp prox as higher in 3 target as well
sharp night
it's probably implemented incorrectly in spelldata
left hatch
probably gives that extra 360
remote dawn
and on 3 targets whats the differenc to proximity and str. potion
sweet summit
1215 str vs 1080
left hatch
which is pretty negligable difference
sharp night
ya so unless you're like super-optimizing for exactly 3 mob pulls it's not worth carrying str pots lol
remote dawn
kk 😉
strong forum
It's worth using Str pots if you're cheap
👌
Cuz empowered prox is like 2-3 times the gold
slim pier
just get more gold
strong forum
They're Hella expensive, don't ask me
sharp night
empowered prox is cheaper than superior str on my server
strong forum
Wtf
sharp night
and it should be too
they take cheaper herbs to make
uses winter's kiss instead of star moss
unbridled fury is the cheapest ofc since it's only zinanthid
strong forum
Prox is the most expensive pot on kazzak
sharp night
you guys are getting ripped off i guess lol
empowered is 8 zin, 3 winter's
str is 8 zin, 3 star moss
and unbridled is 6 zin
strong forum
I guess winters kiss is more expensive on our server than star moss
strong forum
Idk never looked at shit
sharp night
i buy herbs and make pots cause it's cheaper than buying pots
strong forum
It's one of the biggest English servers, so it's not only 1 person
languid light
Is there a way to quote on Disc?
sharp night
yeah
but it's annoying because it pings the quoted person
press the ... on the right and choose quote
left hatch
alternatively just copy paste
sharp night
yeah
languid light
This is for the guy who asked for pulls on m+, you can look at raider.io, I believe there is an addon that works kinda like Zygor, guiding you through the dungeons.
sharp night
if you copy paste you can put a > at the start
and it'll put it in a quote
uhh
there's no addon that works like that in dungeons
languid light
As someone who started tanking Awakeneds just now, I too find it kinda annoying, also 90% of the videos have rogue skipping something, so cant really be reliable.
sharp night
because you can't get player position
languid light
I heard about it, dont actually use it, what does the string that raider.io gives is used for?
left hatch
MDT
sharp night
you import it into MDT
languid light
I thought it was for such an addon.
left hatch
which is just like a fancy map
sharp night
yeah
languid light
Oh, got it.
sharp night
it just has all the pulls in there but it won't show on your screen or anything
what people are asking for is literally impossible
blocked by blizzard because people abused addons knowing positions in instances
left hatch
the addon is till worth ehcking out because even if videos are still using rogue skips
languid light
Well, I guess you can only rely on watching the small percentage of videos that do not have a rogue on it.
left hatch
you can plan out your own route and get exact %'s
and share it with your group so everyones on the same page
and tbh i havn't seen too many routes that still use shroud skips
languid light
True that.
languid light
I want to know what people do to skip the last pull in atadalzar? The ones with triceratops, that pull is much harder than anything else. And I've seen a few videos of someone else pulling it away from the obelisk, then the rest of the PT click on the obelisk, and after a few seconds, the one who pulled away shows up. Can you enter another portals while in combat?
languid light
Or should I just do boss + obelisk on Atadalzar
sharp night
they either die or feign/vanish/invis
left hatch
thats probably the only meta rogue (or nelf) strat iv seen all season
sharp night
and enter from another portal
left hatch
is the pull and vanish
strong forum
People deathskip or feign/vanish/invis
sharp night
hunter is the new meta
sharp night
they do so much dmg and never have to wait for cds
left hatch
they do the same thing on the obelisk tucked in the corner by vokaal
languid light
Got it, thanks
left hatch
since double reanimated honor gaurd is yikes
sharp night
yea
i do it on 3/4 obelisks in atal actually
only one we do normally is the left one lol
languid light
Yeah, ive seen that.. but that one the trash isnt hard.
left hatch
eh id say double honor gaurd is harder than dinos
sharp night
killing honorguards just sucks
left hatch
esp on teeming weeks
sharp night
in general
left hatch
dino pack is jsut an interrupt and sidestepping a charge
honor gaurds are fuckign chaos
sharp night
i've tried to blink dodge it on mage
as well as other movement abilities
and it always ends up on you no matter what lol
languid light
It is just kinda annoying how as someone who just cameback from a long break, I have to learn all dungeons, to guide my group, and then I have to learn it once again when I step into 10+ realm (which Im doing now).
sharp night
eh
on sub-10 don't bother with routes
just literally kill everything in a straight line
left hatch
below 10s routes do'nt matter
sharp night
who cares if you're over 150%
languid light
And since my group is full of newbies (new to wow) I truly am the one who needs to guide.
left hatch
and if you get Method Dungeon tools planning it is super easy
you can just make your own route 5 mins before a key
and boom
languid light
Hum, going to download it.
Lets get back to more Prot oriented stuff, is Echoing Void rank 3 worth 15 ilvl?
left hatch
for corruption stuff Sim it
but for that answer... in a bubble yes EV3 is likely worth it
languid light
But sim it for what, damage? If it is damage I already know the answer, EV is just too good.
languid light
Im worried more about my survivability. Ran a 15 yesterday and got some heavy damage.
left hatch
corruption's impact on survivability is negligable
sharp night
dropping one piece by a few ilvl isn't gonna affect your surv by any noticeable amount
left hatch
and 100% not necesary until you're far into the +20 range
most of your tankiness is going to come from proper play
keeping SB up, not wasting/capping rage, not overlapping LS with SB, using demo/ava on cd
sharp night
identify where the damage is coming from and figure out how to play around it
left hatch
a decent amount comes from your shield ilvl
sharp night
might not even be you playing wrong, if your group isn't playing right then that can be a big part too
left hatch
and a pretty smol amount comes from trinkets traits and essences
sharp night
nothing's gonna save you from 4 water blasts at the same time 🙂
left hatch
ilvl on the other gear pieces is a very very small contributing factor
left hatch
right, correct play on the part of your group as well*
which can be mitigated somewhat by smart pulling if they're 4head
sick sentinel
Vers build will save u 5house
tardy spruce
is there a desktop version of MDT?
sick sentinel
I can survive multiple water blasts
languid light
Thanks for the tips.
sharp night
https://keystone.guru/ can't import though lujin
sick sentinel
Nzoth trinket
sharp night
but you can play around with it
sick sentinel
Plus 50 dr from vers
tardy spruce
thanks @sharp night i want to ahve it open on the second screen
sick sentinel
You arent dying
languid light
Another question, just to make sure.. since bosses cant parry anymore, Im wondering if tanks can give their back to mobs or not?
languid light
I mean if it doesnt matter what side of the mob you're to get parried or anything like that
left hatch
theres like 2 bosses in M+ that can still parry
sharp night
although tanks are immune to boss parry
because of some hidden buff that prevents tanks from getting parried
but you can't face away from mobs
sharp night
that's something completely unrelated
mobs parrying is related to which way they're facing
same for you
you can't avoid hits from the back
or block or anything
languid light
Yeah, I knew that, but I thought it could've changed when I heard about the parry thing.. my train of thought was "maybe if it doesnt matter what position I am related to the mob, maybe it doesnt matter what position the mob is related to me.." but I didnt play around this anyway. Just too used to never face away from it, good thing that I didnt.
Anyway, thanks again.
strong forum
Parrying is not a thing in m+
sweet summit
Zul parries
strong forum
🤔
sweet summit
99% sure he can
left hatch
galvazzt can parry
ionic fern
Jep,proximity is currently 360+360*targets in simc. Who ever was talking about it before.
strong forum
Das wrong
ionic fern
Jep
strong forum
It's 360*target
strong forum
amber siren
blizzard tooltips
strong forum
Spitloot drazzilb
slim pier
lmao
remote dawn
ty @ionic fern
sullen valve
Make mwahi great again
potent anvil
still pagoda
was his emote of choice
undone sun
Never
stark ocean
man my 480 gambles are so bad... any help?
these shoulders i just gambled are horrible
left hatch
Take IF on them instead of DC
and take BFI on your chest
also heed on chest is better than... not sure if thats veins of globules but both are a trap
stark ocean
forgot to mention m+ only
left hatch
shimmering on helm is a trap
brittle owl
i see nothing bad or hard or that req simming
left hatch
doesn't matter, BFI is better than stacking DC
brittle owl
just equip ilvl yes
stark ocean
thx morrison!
left hatch
and go for UF on your new pauldrons too
UF almost as good as OP for us
as the best middle row trait
its not the best roll but its not super horrible
and at this point you can just save for specific pieces
stark ocean
i started late so these are my first 3 480s as you can see
left hatch
yeh but now that you got the ilvl
even if they're not ideal
id save from here on out
from personal experience gambling can really fuck you over
imo save for Kraken shell pauldrons first
then either Ashvane Warden's chest or the chest from mechagon that has clockwerk heart (both are very very good)
and finally replace your helm with Abyssal Malevolence helm
stark ocean
sorry for shoulders IF / Callous / UF / IV?
left hatch
yessir
stark ocean
and instead of globules i guess Earthlink is the only other option as you said shimmering is a trap
stark ocean
and last q; bloodsport over blood rite?
left hatch
np
fleet onyx
is losing 1 of my three bastion of mights worth 15 ilvls? Would get bloodrite or bloodsport in return
sweet summit
yes