ya f that
#protection
glacial flint
TD is equipped too ^^
hallow phoenix
is tank damage done to drestagath permanent or do we need the debuff as well
sick sentinel
We need it as well
sick sentinel
No it doesn’t
Don’t waste dps to pick up orb
Use it all pumping meaningless damage into boss
for the parse
hallow phoenix
do it for her
hallow phoenix
we've delayed it as much as possible XD
sick sentinel
Tryna get to ilgy?
tame garden
Fuck drest
last mason
how are mecha bracers
mortal brook
will out dps equal ilvl, wont outperform
hallow phoenix
run it if youre comfy wijth it
coarse hollow
Why are yawll running crit haste? I had my mastery at like 22 and was getting slammed. Upped my mastery everything smoothed out. Just curious
High mythic plus guys run mastery haste it seems with about 8 to 10 percent vers
amber siren
i dont think anyone has said to run crit and haste in 22 keys, i mean given the opportunity to with multiple gear sets
coarse hollow
Oooo so lower ones.
warm plinth
Mastery should never be smoothing anything out...It gives you block chance and attack power.
sick sentinel
Mastery is our lowest value stat
warm plinth
Crit block is fine but you take care of the mastery there with bastion
And we already have 100% block chance with Shield Block and Bolster
cinder storm
In lower keys you are supposed to kill things fast regardless of the affix, by having crit and haste you help with that
warm plinth
Who in high keys is running high mastery? What would be the point of that when Bastion of Might exists?
coarse hollow
Nerftank
cinder storm
I run high mastery but that's because my loot has been crappy
But I m only doing 18s
warm plinth
Yeah like...if that's what your highest ilevel gives you
Then it's whatever. But no one is intentionally running high mastery outside of Bastion traits
sick sentinel
Crit brings value regardless of key level. It’s tough to value on paper though since it’s RNG really. The priority is haste>crit and a lot of people starting to prio verse as key levels get higher
But you are not in a bad situation with either crit or verse
I actively seek to replace my mastery gear
rough quartz
what does mastery even do
coarse hollow
Has any of yawll had Aggro issues
sick sentinel
Increase block chance and attack power
coarse hollow
Or does that come from not charging in having avitar active?
sick sentinel
Should avatar while you are charging
coarse hollow
Yea. So if I would forget to do that. That would cause aggro problem
sick sentinel
Even without avatar you are unlikely to have threat issues unless your dps are bursting and out gear you
By a lot
rough quartz
should i be using avatar on cooldown or only against larger/tougher groups of enemies. Obviously it cant be up for every encounter so should i just get max uses out of it or go for when its more useful
cinder storm
Or if the dps had a TD on pull basically you might lose some aggro there for a few
sick sentinel
Should be using avatar on cd
coarse hollow
My buddies are doing like 90 k overall
sick sentinel
If you feel you are about to have it up, pull more
coarse hollow
I usually overall 50-60 k. Is that low?
sick sentinel
Depends if you have TD or not. With Td, it’s not super low but it is lower. Regardless with dps like that you shouldn’t have threat issues unless you are pressing buttons incorrectly
coarse hollow
Charge in demo active. Avitar and thunderclap and sheiks slam. Revenge when it price and devastate as filler
?
Aggro isn’t normally a issue just sometimes.
amber siren
you want to tc before demo
coarse hollow
I have a max rank twilight dev
sick sentinel
Same thing
You can leap in for extra initial threat if you’re having issues but at the cost of rage gen
But avatar should be up for most pulls
amber siren
demo goes on the mobs, its not a buff for you
inland silo
so you can go TC -> demo -> TC
sick sentinel
Yes because then it isn’t being applied to the targets
amber siren
if theres no mobs around you it does nothing
sick sentinel
Which means you are likely not getting the value of BV
Which could be part of your threat problem
coarse hollow
Wow
sick sentinel
🙂
amber siren
sorry its 15% not 20
but still the same thing
eh people just read things differently, reading comprehension and all that
no big deal
sick sentinel
When I first started tanking I had no idea how taunt worked, sometimes that’s just how it be
sick sentinel
Yeah you always want to make sure that something is hitting you when you press it
modern brook
In fairness taunts like a car
We know what it does and it doesnt really matter how it works unless you're really into that stuff
sick sentinel
Yeah except when you didn’t know that you had to hit something after taunting it
That’s like
modern brook
I never had to learn that the hard way
sick sentinel
A car but you don’t know you need a key to drive it
modern brook
Hitting things is the best part of the game
coarse hollow
What’s funny is I am timing 17’s doing it the wrong way lmao
modern brook
Not to take from ur accomplishments but yah tbh
solid crystal
is avoidance corruption just dogshit?
south osprey
yes
solid crystal
thought so fuck this game bro
modern brook
Thatd not super surprising were so far into the patch + expansion, not getting master is more saying "I dont want to or dont have Time to do keys" than anything else
solid crystal
Cannot get a versatility corruption to save my life haha
solid crystal
ive got 2 r1 TDs man and the wep from wrath and still sitting 15 corruption
id really like a versa or another TD
modern brook
Corruption is titan forging but instead of a gradient of level bonuses it's a binary "did you get twilight dev?"
coarse hollow
Yea but I don’t have a group and just pug. It’s horrible.
solid crystal
dont get me started hahaha
coarse hollow
Have a few good buddies
sick sentinel
Puffing is ight
outer dew
@warm plinth Ghash>Leech>Mastery for prio
modern brook
Master off pugs is grimace
outer dew
😉
modern brook
Dudes enlightened for sure
solid crystal
Dude shadowlands loooks amazing cause Gear is GEAR - MIND BLOWN
modern brook
Straight zen buddha
sick sentinel
I was one of the few who never really had a problem with the titan forge system
Then again I always seemed to get lucky lmao
solid crystal
fuck no id rather a system where u can earn a +5 ilvl reward ya know
then some shitter gets the best item in game doing a 2 key cause it titanforged
modern brook
I mean, like azerit
I think corruption would be a really good mechanic if a) twilight dev wasnt so fucking busted and b) you could dust it for currency to get the corruption you want
Like I'm all for random stuff
But if ur answer to titan forging Involves a fail safe incase the answer isn't good enough to justify its drawback
Ur answer isnt good.
sick sentinel
Honestly wouldn’t hate if damage corruptions were eliminated and it was just stat / % stat
sick sentinel
And rather than being able to add a socket to your gear you could add corruption like you talked about
modern brook
A lot of traits and stuff was fun
modern brook
And rather than being able to add a socket to your gear you could add corruption like you talked about
Yeah idk how they saw all of they were doing and were like yeah CORRUPTED items for more power and the new currency CORRUPTED memntos will be used for super late game SOCKETING
sick sentinel
And by ap I mean azerite gear don’t question my abbreviations
Yeah they just missed the mark with it a bit tbh. But that’s ok. I have shit loads of TD and am quite enjoying myself
amber siren
that's lewd
modern brook
I like soloing 5masks it reminds me of mage tower
sick sentinel
Not a fan of visions
It’s honestly just content that they made too easy
Which I understand you have to do because lower tier players still need their cloak upgrades. But they were easy to smoke a long time ago
analog swift
^^
brittle owl
tbf the thing that makes them easy is the 5 mask limit
brittle owl
it's their first experiment with a system like this
and i'd hazard to say its a success
analog swift
Yeah I agree
brittle owl
makes me hopeful for torghast
analog swift
I think the player base really likes solo content
And people don’t often wanna day yeah I like playing this video game by myself
But on the other hand I like being able to jump on when I feel like and do something challenging
brittle owl
it's not that, rather the change in pace
also the flexibility
oh you couldnt log on when all your guild was steamrolling thru 5 masks? no biggie, do it yourself
analog swift
Yep
brittle owl
the only issue with them currently is the disproportionate difficulty for certain classes/specs
analog swift
Yeah
brittle owl
biggest outlier is priest
analog swift
Prot warrior is free
analog swift
Yeah
inland mesa
I don't like how they take so long, mage tower felt a lot better being shorter
brittle owl
they take 10-15 mins depending on dps
analog swift
Tbh I find WW extremely hard compared to others
brittle owl
on your main
inland mesa
I think I have about 28 visions to run across two characteds
brittle owl
and with a r15 cloak character you can just breeze through it at a relaxing pace atm
and you do have the option to stop
you can get the corr resistance from killing nzoth
and some people are lucky enough with corruption that they need only that
and don't care about extra corrupted items
brittle owl
that's mostly limited to tanks and healers though
most dps ideally want stat amps, so they want ilvl as a consequence as well
stiff oracle
I'm ready for my Platinum Plating 475 🙂
warm plinth
Fang is good for what it does. It's just not used due to the lack of blocking during the channel.
sharp lotus
its a channel and you are locked at 2 mins, on top of it being pull relient?
warm plinth
It still does great damage. Unlike platinum plating which does nothing.
warm plinth
Jes is a good trinket 🤔 Just because there are better trinkets doesn't make other trinkets bad.
sharp lotus
thats a good outlook, you are right
ill think about things differently
but i stand by fang being situational
warm plinth
It is situational.
sharp lotus
I mean rarely situational
like visions situational
not even viable pushing m+ situational
sweet summit
Ive recently been trying fang. It pumps, but im highkey scared of getting globalled while channeling
sweet summit
You cant block while channeling so that doesnt matter :)
sharp lotus
it matters to my healers cds
but serriously
what dungeons is it viable, non teeming
freehold, SoS?
i cant think of any others with potential
warm plinth
The channel is hasted so on pulls with all stunnable mobs, you can shockwave>fang and not worry about it
sharp lotus
my only disagreement with this is that the howl has possibility of TD scaling if that makes sense
right?
warm plinth
I wasn't intending to compare fang to Jes. Just explaining how Fang could be used, potentially.
But yes, TD scales with vers
sharp lotus
word
what do you think in the situation of jes vs fang
with td
i want to lend myself ot my healer well if that makes sense, so that they can be freed up
brittle owl
fang doesnt factor in any discussion with the healer
you play around it
you never channel while getting smacked
unless a boss i guess
but 90% of the time you're fine there
sick sentinel
You’re too nice to your healer
I respect that
I just tell mine it didn’t one shot me so it’s his problem :^)
sick sentinel
gosh everyone here talking about this jes howler shit...and now i get this...
sharp lotus
3 people is everyone now?
slim pier
damn
stiff oracle
dead game
stiff oracle
🙄
sharp lotus
maybe not
slim pier
But I am dead inside
sharp lotus
^
stiff oracle
joke
------->
your head
sharp lotus
you get me box
slim pier
git gud
sharp lotus
shut the fuck up you fat headed gnome tickler
slim pier
:monkaW
sharp lotus
help me out
how do i fucking balance the mini boss with the fucking dark spots and maze shit when against a wall
mortal brook
dont fight miniboss against a wall
sharp lotus
the whole fucking zone is a hall way
slim pier
oh you mean magistrate?
warm plinth
the beast
warm plinth
Oh
sharp lotus
i said dwarven district
my bad
the dwarven distrct with the bitch that has the gun
i just get fucked
and then tilt
warm plinth
Uh
mortal brook
game Gift to go off while you fight her as well
warm plinth
You have a WA to track gift?
warm plinth
the ICD, specifically
sharp lotus
i play on dell insporon from 2001
sharp lotus
what is gift
sharp lotus
ok
warm plinth
But yeah, go to the left, and when you proc it, pull her
Should be able to kill her before it wears off
sharp lotus
ok
warm plinth
If not, shouldn't take much longer
warm plinth
He's talking about the roaring blast/blade flourish chick in Old Town
The first miniboss
tame garden
ok now im even more confused
warm plinth
Yeah it didn't make sense to me either.
sweet summit
Burned bridge and split personality(?) i think
tame garden
oooooooooh
warm plinth
But she's the only she with a gun so
tame garden
i understand now
sharp lotus
maze shit: when you are in a broke circle of images of your self. dark spots: when you move and dark swhirls appear below where you previously were
warm plinth
No Speg
sharp lotus
im not proud of my explanation, i just didnt know how to be concise about it
warm plinth
Maze shit and dark spots, get it right 😠
mortal brook
there are several places to fight armsmaster where you wont get locked against a wall with split personality tho
warm plinth
No reason to even care as a warrior
sharp lotus
dude blow me, none of you would read that shit if i printed up a paragraph
tame garden
getting trapped into the blast has def burned my cheat death once
just dont be unlucky
mortal brook
wut
warm plinth
It was a joke, chill dude
sharp lotus
so was mine
rocky linden
What do smart people think about 475 Vial of animated blood over either 460 Humming or 460 Void-Twisted? I would think for M+ the Vial is better?
warm plinth
🙄
mortal brook
that did not read like a joke. work on your presentation?
warm plinth
Definitely better than void
sharp lotus
word
mortal brook
void loses almost all of the crit uptime, making it pretty subpar
warm plinth
Use it like Avatar>TClap>Demo>TClap+Vial
amber siren
just don't take damage 🙃
rocky linden
Yeah, figured, not too excited about that one
warm plinth
So you don't waste anything
Not sure if you know, but if you're in a tight spot and need to move, you can pop Spell Reflection and move through the Split and it won't disorient you
crisp sage
Hi, new to warrior tank and just got this t2 infinity star weapon. Is it worth to swap even it doesnt have haste or vers?
mortal brook
the ilvl and the equip proc are both superior
you wont miss the secondary
as far as the corruption differences, that's a matter of your alternatives and budget
crisp sage
Okay, I would hope it was twilight but how is ininfity stars for a tank?
it just better for bosses?
mortal brook
should be able to wear both yeah
mortal brook
staying below 59 is ideal, going below 39 is a comfort play. Thing can be spell reflected and cc'd np. your resist will only go up, as well
outer sphinx
Morning!
mortal brook
crisp sage
oh, I can spell reflect thing? 😄
outer sphinx
is it worth it to use 45 Corr for 8% leech ?
outer sphinx
ya fk me chest!
crisp sage
Okay, thank you @mortal brook for the help! 😄
mortal brook
consider like, a vers proc for the same corruption. more DR than you'd ever leech heal and extra dmg on top of it
mortal brook
if its all you have to proc Heart of Darkness sure, but
sick sentinel
got merekthas fang 470 and dont know if i should replace my 430 modular platinium plating trinket :/ any sugestions?
hallow phoenix
yes\
mortal brook
plat plating is an empty slot
sharp lotus
@warm plinth I did not think of that
hallow phoenix
the strength gain alone is better
mortal brook
fang is one of the highest dmg trinkets for multi
hallow phoenix
just make sure to shockwave before using it
outer sphinx
is it good as Main hand ?
sick sentinel
okay thanks for the fast answer
outer sphinx
i will clense
hallow phoenix
is it your highest ilvl weapon?
mortal brook
aye, you cant block during the channel but the cast is hasted, stun before then cast. its also 15 yards so can get ssome distance then channel
outer sphinx
yes highest ilvl wep
mortal brook
excellent item yes. will beat a statted weapon of equal ilvl up to several targets
hallow phoenix
if its your highest then use it
hallow phoenix
weapon ilvl is a huge dps upgrade, and that particular weapon proc beats a lot of stats damage-wise. Weapon ilvl (the weapon damage in particular) also increases your ignore pain value
always take highest ilvl
dawn venture
Good morning! Please advise if Ineffable Truth (475 ilvl) is an option for Protection warrior, that will replace Echoing Void (460 ilvl).
stiff oracle
I would definitely swap those myself.
mortal brook
most of what ineffable truth does is covered much better by Anger Management. the difference between the items is simmable tho
dawn venture
And if I have both, Ineffable Truth and Anger Management, would that be a good option? Thank you.
mortal brook
not significantly impactful compared to other corruption options
so gonna depend on your current alternatives and budget
hoary belfry
Im super unlucky with my rng and pretty much never get bastion on any of my azerite gear. Is bastion of might worth more than 30 ilvl?
mortal brook
only thing we drop ilvl for is 1 DC
hoary belfry
im sorry what is DC short for?
stiff oracle
Deafening Crash
hoary belfry
Im a heroic pleb and mainly play m+ though lol
tame garden
Heroic nzoth and cara is only 5ilvl below mythic 🥳
hoary belfry
- being havoc main in raid doesnt gear my warrior lol
outer sphinx
guys how good for m+
mortal brook
will out dps equal ilvl, wont really outperform it
little summit
no haste? barf
queen glade
gloomy mango
quick question is it worth using double ineffable truth in m+ situations ? rank 1 both
brittle owl
if you don't have any other corruption sure
otherwise, TD and expedient will be better value
gloomy mango
have only 1 rank 2 TD and 0 expedient
vestal cypress
Wrathion 460 or waycrest 475? Waycrest it is?
brittle owl
i'd use the r2 TD if i were you
and fill out with whatever i had left until i reach my comfortable corruption budget
prioritizing most dps corruptions before ineffable truth
excluding infinite stars, obviously
brittle owl
yeah that's better than running ineffable anywhere in there
gloomy saffron
@vestal cypress to answer your question, run the 475 WCM trinket
frail oar
hi, is the briny barnacle any good ? (475 over a 460 scale or 465 rezan)
maiden ravine
I'd use scale and rezan
based on what I've heard in here
scale is stupidly strong
and so is rezan
frail oar
ok, thank you 🙂
formal meadow
How do you normally pull groups in m+? Namely how do you start the fight ability wise and continue to not lose Aggro?
sweet summit
Charge>Avatar>TClap>Demo>TClap
formal meadow
You avatar on normal pulls?
mortal brook
avatar is a rotational ability not a cooldown to hold
maiden ravine
You should be using it every pull
mortal brook
on CD friend
formal meadow
Never thought it’s usable in pulls
maiden ravine
Between vision and anger management, it has a short CD
mortal brook
anger management is the big boi avatar enabler
should see very high uptime throughout the dungeon
maiden ravine
If you've played druid avatar is our barkskin
mortal brook
except on a better cd and is big dmg \o/
maiden ravine
Barkskin is decent damage with brambles haha
Apparently guardian is armor capping on alpha, crazy
mortal brook
theyll adjust values
mortal brook
also i want to disagree on brambles
mortal brook
hell even tankadins getting 100% sotr
maiden ravine
If it's a good expansion for all tank specs I'll be happy cause I like playing them all
maiden ravine
Eh...
mortal brook
not for others, but for me, the tank
maiden ravine
Some tanks are already oppressive in pvp
undone sun
the aoe damage cap is looking spicy though
mortal brook
yeah heck off bears. with their 40% dmg decrease, 50% more dmg taken, and FR reduced in pvp situations. heckin op haxors
maiden ravine
They just seem to never die even 3v1 on islands
Can't ignore them either cause they buff their team
mortal brook
cant remember the last time i even met the other team during an island
just clear it and get out
torment guarantees tag, gg
bubble and fang it down
maiden ravine
Last week had a couple small maps that forced confrontation
I need to get my dk to 120 and give it another shot
I only played blood in legion to get the mage tower and that was it haha
Levelling a vulpera one
mortal brook
ᶠʳᵒˢᵗᵐᵒᵘʳⁿᵉ ʰᵘⁿᵍʷᵉʳˢ ᵘʷᵘ
maiden ravine
If only I could unlock the mage tower stuff on rerolls, but in sl I'll level my legion chars to 60 and solo crap
daring bay
how is innefable truth for prot warriors?
maiden ravine
It's meh
daring bay
feel like its good, but dont see anyone using it
maiden ravine
We want dps
mortal brook
anger management covers most of anything innef would do
theres better corruption options
maiden ravine
I mean it's at least not leech or avoidance, but still, it's usually cleanse fodder for me
mortal brook
i am thankfully planned out on my corruption for the next several cores
(spoiler its TD and GW combos)
formal meadow
How’s prot warrior on alpha?
mortal brook
not much different
sweet summit
A spec
mortal brook
more than half a year of tuning before live so i mean
mortal brook
shaman tank yes
north ridge
Maut trinket vs. Nzoth trinket hc version, which is best for us?
maut looks like bigger shield but twice the cd
strong forum
Nzoth
by miles
Nzoth is also bigger
so its literally just Maut but better with half the CD
brittle owl
maut is worse than machimba even
young oasis
Guys, is 2x rank 1 TD same as 1x rank 2?
strong forum
6+6=12 yes
limpid pawn
what do you guys think of the haste proc corruption
got it this week on gloves, i have expedient as well
mortal brook
Likely ele whirl over siphon. Can sim to be sure. Carapace is poorly scaling poop
chilly brook
@limpid pawn doesn't hurt if you have nothing else to equip but the haste % increase is better
real snow
5 rings in a row in weekly chest - F this game
amber siren
i felt bad about my chest until my guildie got a ring with 3% leech
then i felt better
fossil sparrow
no TD today 
strange tide
Just to make everyone feel better, I got the avoidance as a percentage of haste corruption. You’re welcome
strange tide
It’s the horriblest
fossil sparrow
huh, replacing a lower ilvl echoing void, fuck
grave mango
Hey guys, I'm new to prot warr in 8.3, is there a list of best in slot azerite pieces from vendor gambling? And maybe a comparison for say dps vs. survivability?
crimson furnace
3 bastion of might, 1 def. crash
i play with 2 heard of darkness
and the rest are 3 more impending visage
so this is what i would recommend
sick sentinel
From the vendor you will want the abyssal helm, ashvane warden chest, mechagon shoulders or kraken shell I believe
If you can get into heroic nzoth, that helm is pretty good as well
grave mango
Thanks for the answers! Is there any list where I can see the values of those items (so that I know which ones to prioritize for gambling)? Otherwise I'll try to use my brain and best guess
chilly brook
I mean ashvane is a solid one to go for first
Either helmet or chest imo as you get the most stats
grave mango
Okay thanks! I'll try my best at gambling
strong forum
Ashvane / mechagon chest
Both are insanely strong
Same with Kraken shell / mechagon shoulders
I prefer the mechagon stuff cuz it's not rng and it all stats and not just haste
left hatch
'prioritize for gambling'
you can't really fish for certain pieces with that
if you're gambling either go to replace your lowest ilvl piece and then save for specific buys once you have 3 475's
or just roll on shoulders since a larger proportion of those have BoM somewhere on them than the other 2 slots
junior ivy
can someone show me their gnome warrior
last mason
is echoing void at any rank worth using corruption res minors instead of the usual
strong forum
yes
EV is very good dps
also you can only use 1 corruption res minor for the 10cr
they dont stack in corruption resistance
last mason
oh i didnt know that ok
desert pollen
want to ask.
i have the 1h Faralos , empire's dream heroic , with the gem and corruption.
or 470 , Adulation enforcer, also with haste ,vers , but the tentacle corruption. i mainly do mythic+
wich one should be better?
strong forum
470
warm plinth
The one that's higher item level
chilly brook
Ilvl
desert pollen
Thanks!
last mason
also, equal ilvl, would u use mecha bracers or normal socket bracers
strong forum
normal
also socket on bracers is HUGE
mecha bracers are worse than normal bracers in every circumstance
exotic spoke
last mason
is it worth having delusions for echoing void 2
brittle owl
i'd smash my left nut for a 1k dps increase so i'd say it's worth
prisma crane
@junior ivy dont worry, they're still awesome stumps of fury
chilly brook
Anyone have any recommendations on a 1440p 144hz monitor?
chrome palm
freesync/gsync is pretty nice
i'd try to get one with that
and ideally stay away from TN displays unless your budget wont allow that
ones that use in-plane switching are better
chilly brook
IPS is kinda my target anyways since I do video editing and photo editing
earnest mist
yo, would you guys prefer 20% crit and 11% vers or 24% crit 7% vers
chilly brook
Whichever nets you higher ilvl...
earnest mist
it's rings so
chilly brook
Personal preference
chrome palm
wow armory borken for anyone else?
formal meadow
What’s the best trinket and ring we can farm in m+ right now?
lofty widget
quick question, can td hit the same target more than once?
stark sage
earnest mist
is it worth gambling for the head
stiff oracle
Better save for next expac
chilly brook
@formal meadow rezan and insert any haste heavy ring tbh
But ilvl brother is more important than anything else
But for trinkets rezan and butchers block are great and so is vial
sweet summit
not always
TD is better in m+
for raids just 
and go ham on dps :)
if you can fit it in your budget, go for it
chrome palm
is anyone else unable to see their characters in wow armory?
sweet summit
idk i never use armory
lucid dew
Im trying to plan for this period before I can take TD5 and staying under 40 corruption
right now im using TD 4 and expedient 1
warped matrix
@chrome palm I got that problem and when I look closely i was looking at us.armory not eu.armory
chrome palm
should i start looking for more vers?
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/Spaghete
sweet summit
no
chrome palm
crit blocks are capped at 82.5%
sweet summit
the cap is at 250%, where you dont have to use SB anymore
there is prob another too idk
chrome palm
or 85% i think
sweet summit
yes, but also no
chrome palm
?
sweet summit
the amount blocked with a crit block is max 85% or something
chrome palm
right
chrome palm
my haste gets to like 100% or something with procs
sweet summit
never enough haste 
bitter cape
You need some Tdev
sweet summit
^
chrome palm
yeah my only TD is a 430
bitter cape
You're putting a crazy amount of thought into minmaxing at your Ilvl
chrome palm
yeah i want to nzoth trink
sweet summit
you dont need that one
chrome palm
rezan eye
sweet summit
its pretty bad
chrome palm
like on third boss ML
sweet summit
2 min cooldown
bitter cape
You probably need a better healer
sweet summit
small absorb
chrome palm
yeah im working on the healer bit
bitter cape
I'm not super high IO or anything at like 2k but I've only ever equiped a pure defensive trinket in keys once for a 16kr on fortified
They don't really feel that useful in keys at that level imo
chrome palm
yeah i just started this week on going outside my guild and getting a 5 man of regulars
we have 3 people so far
bitter cape
I had a lot of fun when we finally got 5 for a M+ group in my guild its nice to see your group play improve etc
chrome palm
my guild has other issues outside of participations lmao
bitter cape
Haha same.
chrome palm
ppl keyboard turning and spell clicking
asking to join 15s
"i dont use weak auras"
bitter cape
😄
chrome palm
some of those
bitter cape
yeah we got those too but its w/e once you find a group to play with things get a lot more fun than pugging 😛
And I main alliance so pugging is extra bad D: lol
chrome palm
oof
sick sentinel
In a 21 KR, should I use Nzoth trinket at same time as my lucid dreams
or
stagger them
sweet summit
a bit of both, depends on what youre fighting there
sweet summit
defo
berserkers if you dont have anyone to bait the dot also fucks
witch doctors if you fuck up kicks truck
warm plinth
You mean the uh
Hex Priests
Witch Doctors don't even cast do they? Just frost shock and spawn the healing tide totem
sweet summit
uh yea mb
warm plinth
Hex Priests suck for my comp because we have no curse dispel, so if we don't kick hex, we have a DPS out of commission for 10 seconds, and if we do, that's a spectral bolt we can't kick :/
ripe mason
Is there a fastest way of generating aggro on a pack rotation wise?
ebon hound
Avatar, Charge, Clap, Demo, Clap, Revenge
warm plinth
Charge>Avatar>Thunder Clap>Demo>Clap>Revenge
thorn wave
On icy venis it mostly talk bout dmg corrptions anyone knows if Ineffable truth is good defensively
glossy depot
Not good
sweet summit
Its niche
warm plinth
It's good, but not great. It can help like...in ML, if it procs between SRs you'll have SR up for each Chemical Burn
Niche use though, like Rosjen said
thorn wave
tyvm 😄
mystic finch
hello! totally new to prot war here! is there any recommended set of essences i should run when doing visions? my cape is level 8 atm and i'm wondering if there's anything i can do to make the runs easeier
strong forum
cof major, vop minor, null minor and cns minor
worthy rover
Did a cap and hard cap exist for haste ?
chrome palm
well 22% is the 3xSB breakpoint
but, correct me if i'm wrong, haste is uncapped right?
chilly brook
Dont worry about your haste percentage
You cant conceivably get enough
Theres no magic number
worthy rover
I have 51% of haste in raid
warm plinth
22% is not the 3x SB breakpoint because it involves a completely irrelevant scenario, which is that you only have one stack of ITF
Which never happens
That also assumes that you have to use SB 3x back to back every time, which is also not the case
worthy rover
Sorry, but what is "SB" ?
cinder pasture
Shield block
formal meadow
Any vision strategies? Trying to level up my cloak
sweet summit
Build ST
Equip TD
Pull big with gift
Dont get stunlocked
chilly brook
Yes why wouldn't you?
You can pump as a tank and mobs have less health in tank spec than in dps
chilly brook
Really low hp as healers
chilly brook
I mean you realize you can out dps dps as a tank in aoe
fossil sparrow
yeah, but not bosses, as they're ST idk
guess I'm still in the "tank does less damage than damage boat"
it's a weird one
guess I'll give prot visions a go in a bit then
chilly brook
Even if it didn't scale you could make up for it through pull size
Madskills or w/e that healer focused guy on YT is has videos of him just pulling everything as holy and ignoring practically all the mechanics and healing himself as consecration does all the work for him
strong forum
I'm in the boat of 'tanks don't really need the reduced hp mobs in visions' but it's a welcome change to make it even more faceroll
junior ivy
@prisma crane do you play wow
junior ivy
omg whyy
and i dunno. id need a second pc cause bf would wanna play too
right now i gotanimal crossing
so thats my life
prisma crane
nice, it looks kinda fun, but idk if i'd ever play it
but hey, there's still goblins and vulpera for you!
plus its way easier to pug shit on horde because, in not so many words, blizzard said fuck you to alliance
junior ivy
whatd they do to alliance 😦
prisma crane
nothing new lol, just a really old problem fixed far too late
and it's only been slowly compounding
junior ivy
that sucks
analog zinc
Yo what's the BiS M+ helm?
analog zinc
whats on the tier with DC?
analog zinc
cuz I already have DC on my chest, which is competing with callous
prisma crane
more than one DC isnt that bad for M+
plus you'll eventually want the machanized plate chest and it doesnt have DC
analog zinc
should I buy machinized?
prisma crane
i did
but depends on what else you have
i had a shit chest
and it's BiS by a decent amount
analog zinc
prisma crane
lol i had that chest
prisma crane
er, i didnt have that chest, mine was much worse
up to you
the helm you want then is the one from nzoth
oh wait nvm, HoD competes with BoM
but it's close in ilvl and relatively accessible
analog zinc
well considering I've been killing & coining N'zoth every single week since the start of the tier
& haven't gotten either a helm or a trinket....
analog zinc
maybe i should get Putrid Path
analog zinc
mainly dmg
prisma crane
then just sim them
analog zinc
i dont push v high keys
prisma crane
and see which is better for you
the best chest we have is mechanized
but if you're killing mythic vex then you can get that chest instead
personally i prefer OP because more haste i've heard means more TD procs
and i like the faster play that more haste can bring
analog zinc
we're on hivemind atm
strong forum
I'm running mecha chest + hc nzoth helm + hc carapace shoulders
Perfectly good for everything
1x dc 1x bfi 1x Ch 3x bom
Shlaps
The only shoulders I would trade hc carapace for is mythic cara / skitra / mecha shoulders
prisma crane
plus again, if you're spending residuum, it takes AGES to get, so might as well get the slot that's much better as non-raid item
and i'd rather have skitra over mecha for shoulders because of OP and IV
amber siren
yes
misty shoal
how exactly does shell from nzoth work?
analog zinc
it gives you an absorb shield, 80% of dmg goes to shield, 20% goes thru it to you
in raid its bigger shield
rain rapids
So i've gotten a lot of those 'taking dmg = vers' items and ive gotten to a point where i can equip them all with no problem, reaching up to 50-60% vers with no issues on a proc, 6k (70 ish %) with jes Howlis, but it drops my haste down really bad to around 20%, would it be worth using or nah? (let's say m+ scenario only)
amber siren
if youre asking if youre supposed to be aiming for a certain stat cap, the answer is no
use the vers gear if youre actually dying to something unavoidable
true sparrow
The general point someone told me is "get 30% haste and then play around"
analog zinc
^^^^
@rain rapids Vers proc & Vers% is bis defensively
TD is bis offensively
pick what you want, but generally War & DH are already so naturally bulky they don't need to invest in vers corruptions until really high keys
rain rapids
its a 24% vers increase from alll sources + a few mixed ranks of vers procs, pretty much trading 10% haste in for a 1830 vers proc, was wondering if the stat exchance was worth it
But i guess its defense vs offense then
thanks
prisma crane
mastery % is pretty fun too with BoM, hit 100% with minimal effort
though i just prefer TD
rain rapids
Don't particularly enjoy the TD, but i think its more my general dislike of corruption ^^
Been pretty much playing 1 set from week 3 when i got rank 3 TD on 475, wanted to see some new stuff, been stale
prisma crane
what's stale about big numbers?!?!
misty shoal
@analog zinc ty, i undersstood that trinket completely wrong
prisma crane
btw the whole "in ny'alotha" part also works in the obelisks in M+
analog zinc
& apparently on last boss shrine
limpid pawn
so LPS Is 90% DR in those places....
hallow phoenix
Poisoned Claw and Leaping Thrash from saurids in Atal arent blockable right?
static osprey
Anyone have a weak aura that marks skull with the mob in the pack with the highest hp? I've seen tanks with it but can't find it on wagio
fossil sparrow
probably should've known the group full of tools when he says "pull big" on a bolstering skittish week
sick sentinel
how to do more dmg in raids
right now sitting on 28k
on nsot
possible to increase that in someway?
Playing your class better
And gear
@hallow phoenix no but they still melee
hallow phoenix
yeah i was just deleted by the little buggers and was pretty sure i had block up
someone was logging so i confirmed
💔 saurids
sick sentinel
so there is no stat that does more st dmg than other @sick sentinel
like saying gear doesnt really add anything
sick sentinel
u can sim statS?
hallow phoenix
yes you can sim top gear setup with raidbots
sick sentinel
Don't sim stats, sim all your gear im general
In*
Stat weights are non existent
god this discord is so misleading
hallow phoenix
?
sick sentinel
Take care
sick sentinel
If anybody told you other wise their pretty ignorant
Theyre*
Phone plz
OKAY GUYS ILL GO FULL INTELLECT CYAAA IN SHADOWLANDS
hallow phoenix
lmao
sick sentinel
YEP COOOCK
hallow phoenix
can we ban him
hallow phoenix
You asked how to gear for more damage and we told you to sim top gear
sick sentinel
Why would you ban someone asking a legitimate question and then being given trolling/misleading and even insults about my dps
hallow phoenix
which is the ONLY acceptable answer
sick sentinel
i did not asked how to gear
for more dmg
i asked
how can i increase dmg
Sim your gear is how
And play better
Literally what I said
hallow phoenix
Read the icy-veins guide for rotation, your max survival rotation is generally your max dps rotation
sick sentinel
isnt simming limited to a certain environment
hallow phoenix
sim your top gear
sick sentinel
No
Its not
So when
I've done that like atleast 25 people have told me
and foudn out that all of my gear in my bags are shit
what do i do then
Use your best shit gear and get better gear later ?
see here is where my question comes into play
hallow phoenix
Simming top gear also means simming essences and talents
sick sentinel
Avatar and spell reflecttoo
hallow phoenix
reflects the poison?
hallow phoenix
i try to save for eyes
hallow phoenix
fair
sick sentinel
0so
in order to increase my dmg, i should prioritize haste over mastery
Ilvl
if i have full mythic gear
If they are all 475
You sim it
guru
I dont know your gear
tame garden
👻 spooky
hallow phoenix
On Drestagath should current drest tank stay in for the entropic crash? Or should i try to leave and charge back in real quick
tame garden
i also leave and (wild) charge
hallow phoenix
no bears allowed
tame garden
sick sentinel
No thanks
tame garden
very fun boss
hallow phoenix
super fun
austere storm
how does EV stack up to TD? i have r2 TD on 430 ilvl belt and 455 ilvl boots, but r3 EV on 460 socketed pants and 455 gloves
mortal brook
add a 2nd target and TD pulls far ahead
sharp night
no?
it's whatever it says on tooltip, increased if you're in raid or obelisk realm
200-300k
sharp night
uh
no
it's literally just a shield that splits damage between you and it
if you take 250k damage
the shield absorbs 200k and depletes
and you take 50k to face
if you take 100k damage, you take 20k to face and 80k goes to shield leaving it with 120k
if you take a mil damage, it absorbs 200k and you get 800k to face
amber siren
math
austere storm
what talent setup and trinkets are recommended for prot doing solo 5 mask? i think i saw that some people use cyclotronic?
sharp night
talents don't change, use cof major and cyclo for some ST burst since what you'll struggle on is the minibosses
sweet summit
Look at it this way. Its 40 seconds back to back of avatar every 2 minutes
fluid yarrow
and you're like super tanky when lucid is running can spam ignore pain if needed + the leech through dmg ofc
regarding 5 mask run i usually just stick to vop major but if you lack ST might wanna consider cyclo and that stuff
amber siren
you'll be spamming ip even if its not needed through the entire duration, the point of lucid is to burn rage as fast as possible to trigger AM
fluid yarrow
i mean yes, you do so by default since you're overflowing with rage, my b used the wrong words there
fluid yarrow
nice side effect id say, but it's not like it keeps you alive alone or anything
light relic
Don't play prot myself, but is there a kick WA that shows spell reflect
sweet summit
Idk, but you can easily modify any kick WA to add reflect. Find the spell ID, cd=25
sweet summit
You get giga rage gen, and through AM avatars cooldown should be over by the time the first avatar fades
20+20=40
amber siren
sweet summit
Dont be intimidated by my amazing math skills 😎
royal rune
Ahhh so mega tanky for 40 secs every 2 mins?
sweet summit
Yeah
royal rune
Are you pulling bigger then?
sweet summit
You should be
sweet summit
Well, youre still filling sb downtime with LS during lucid
royal rune
Ahh. Yeah I'm.tanking 18s
And forgot To get SB up on a small pull and dropped like a rock
sweet summit
It do be like that
There is a pin about "other" major essences and their uses, go check it out if you havent
royal rune
K ty
rocky linden
Is there an ICD on Thing from Beyond that could be WA'd, or is it completely random?
amber siren
the rppm is based on how often youre getting it
but yes, if you get hit twice theres a chance it can spawn twice
ivory barn
https://www.wowanalyzer.com/report/bWQa1TxwpVn42tX6/18-Mythic+Dark+Inquisitor+Xanesh+-+Kill+(5:24)/Ismashbuttns/standard/cooldowns log from our kill tonight (finally 6/12M) Avatar usage sucks?
this is me so thats why im asking
rocky linden
Alright, so its mostly just a get-used-to-it thing then. Thanks
sweet summit
One thing, why are you running lucid major?
ivory barn
I'm taking to much dmg, so our raid leader has me swapped to that to reduce
IK I should be using VoP instead
sweet summit
VoP or CoF yeah