protection

[hoary viper]

but for tanks also HP is to be considered i guess

[sweet summit]

stam, armor, strength

also more stats>"better" stats

[hoary viper]

yes. but 5 ilvls increase is not much more stat

[winged grail]

How good is surging vitality?

[sweet summit]

its good, not TD tho :(

[hoary viper]

my 460 pants give me 6 overall stats less than 465

so 50 of your BiS stat?

😛

[sweet summit]

oh thats not much

id take the socket in that case

[hoary viper]

Ye, so i think on armor pieces socket is worth at least 15-25 ilvls, depending a bit on piece, but ofc weapons are another discussion

but for tanks its also another discussion so fuck it

[olive lotus]

anyone have the weakaura for activating a pylon in M+

[south lantern]

What is best essence setup for 5 mask vision?

VOP Major, lucid minor, aegis, and strength of the warden?

Or is nullifcation dynamo any good here?

[sick sentinel]

You want crucible of flame as the major because you lack ST. Conflict and strife is your best minor, sphere/null/aegis are all fine alternatives

[simple mural]

So I tried giving my old pally tank alt I've had sitting around since Legion a try. Ugh my god, their spells sound so hollow. I just can't even get into playing it. Feels like I'm playing tinfoil.

[polar cloak]

is "ineffable Truth" good for prot

increasing the rate your ccds recover by 50% for 10secs

[mortal brook]

not really, anger management/avatar covers most of that

[tame garden]

but if you dont run anger management its good

[dusky mica]

Proc rate on ineffable isn't high and anything over rank 1 seems pointless

[pallid berry]

hey anyone raiding mythic with prot warrior on here, cause im running into some trouble

[clear pendant]

@pallid berry I am, but onmy just recently

Only*

[pallid berry]

gotten to shad yet?

doggo?

[sick sentinel]

What’s up my dude

I’ll help ya

[merry cave]

Are we discussing alpha stuff in here? Becuase that talent tree 🤦‍♂️

[undone sun]

#696840315117502515

[lofty shard]

Searing flame good in keys?

[mortal brook]

not bad in keys. not TD in keys

[last mason]

is the mecha shield special at all

or not really

[mortal brook]

worst in its ilvl

but if its your highest ilvl, use it

[last mason]

just because its missing 1 secondary?

[mortal brook]

never see the damage cuz the absorb is gone in half an auto

[last mason]

true

[mortal brook]

useless

[last mason]

wait ur riight

it doesnt scale at all

wtfd

[signal ivy]

Would next week seem like a good push week? i think it is but wanted some opinions, i know this week isnt too bad either, but next weeks affixes are Fort,Bolstering,Skittish

[sick sentinel]

Yes it is typically a good push week

[sharp night]

this is the best push week

bolstering is bad for pushing

[pallid berry]

@sick sentinel was just wondering if ya had a way to make dissolve hurt less

honestly im also kinda miffed that we had a 0 percent wipe

but when 2 dissolves happen i just melt

[sick sentinel]

2 dissolves hurt. You should be calling for externals when it happens

Take crush every chance you get

Make sure you aren’t tanking the boss while you have two dissolves as well

[pallid berry]

well yea i know all that

cant exactly choose to not take the two

[sick sentinel]

Yeah you can

There’s just a chance you’ll get one of each

[pallid berry]

right

which kills you

way more then 2 dissolves

[sick sentinel]

Not with wall+external

Just sayin it’s possible

[pallid berry]

i mean wall external works for 2 dissolves too

[sick sentinel]

Then what’s killing you

Def trinks can help if you’re feeling squishy too

[pallid berry]

mostly dps forgetting to feed, or calls for wipes

was hoping to try and find a way to help the healers a bit

[sick sentinel]

Nah not really a ton you can do

Lots of IP and SR

[pallid berry]

i know, but any bit can help

so i figured id ask

thanks

[tame garden]

just dont ever take dissolve

[sick sentinel]

That’s what I do

[pallid berry]

fuck why didnt i think of that

[mortal brook]

hell, LPS it

[sick sentinel]

We just run the warrior double taunt meta and flirt with the devil lmao

If I have to take one of each just big cds

[tame garden]

if your cotank holds boss you can use intercept and taunt to take every crush

and they take every dissolve

[sick sentinel]

Holy shit

I NEVER

Considered doing it that way

I mean

My way works lmao

But fuck

You’re so smart

Wow

Sensational

[tame garden]

nah i learned it here

and i dont actually play prot in raid so

[sick sentinel]

I spend so much time here you’d think I’d learn something

[mortal brook]

:happybear:

[sick sentinel]

But this is just a big head with no thoughts

[tame garden]

if shadhar was actually hard i woulda played prot for it

[pallid berry]

id just like my dps to not die

and remember to feed the dog

[tame garden]

tank life

[pallid berry]

we got so damn close

[sick sentinel]

Learn fight in 3 pulls

Wait x pulls for dps

[pallid berry]

frustration is real

i mean that entire hole is zzzzzz for tanks

[sick sentinel]

Drest and ilgynoth and relatively fun

[tame garden]

i actually kinda enjoyed drest on my bear

[pallid berry]

drest is kinda just boring

[tame garden]

havent pulled ilgy yet tho

[mortal brook]

ilgy is a snoozefest

[pallid berry]

its delivery service

ilgy is another hope that ya dps dont fuck up

[mortal brook]

press DR for 2nd eye. wait for dps/heals to stop blowing you up

zzz

[pallid berry]

altho the beam will hurt alot

[sick sentinel]

Delivery service where you pick up orbs and absolutely f up the boss

[tame garden]

drest is slightly more intense on mythic, but yeah looks real boring for most tanks. at least as bear i get to moonfire everything

[sick sentinel]

Nah beam is easy as prot

Run LSP and it’s a literal joke

[pallid berry]

lsp is the nzoth trinket yea?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[pallid berry]

no wait

isnt that spelled wrong

[sick sentinel]

Lmao

[pallid berry]

lingering psychic shell

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[tame garden]

Close enough

[pallid berry]

yea its what i do for heroic, we jsut gotta get there on mythic

i feel like hivemind woulda been easier then dog

[sick sentinel]

You think you like waiting for dps now

Wait until ilgynoth

[pallid berry]

anyone got experience with that one? im sure that the ravageer hurts

yea i know

it was our heroic roadblock

[sick sentinel]

Ravager needs to die fast

[pallid berry]

and then we trashed the last 2 once we went past

[sick sentinel]

Just taunt on one stack of the bleed

[pallid berry]

i trust, our damage is well

but like mechanics they kinda sometimes ignore shit

the amount of maut problems because they turn the brain off

[tame garden]

Yeah just call it out every time

Stack

Focus ravager

[sick sentinel]

Profit

[tame garden]

Gotta heard the flock

[pallid berry]

thats my raid leaders job, folks dont listen to me much

[tame garden]

Fair

The faster the adds die the easier that boss is

So if everyone understands that focusing adds matter it's an easy boss

Also dodging the rollers

[sick sentinel]

If you just nuke them you have infinite free time on the boss

[mortal brook]

cast ravager on it. that'll prob one shot it right

wait cant confirm, no one runs

[sick sentinel]

Just SR roller

[pallid berry]

im actually kinda hyped about new prot warrior for shadowlands

[royal rune]

I see the best mythic tanks running 3x impassive visage

[sick sentinel]

Correct

It is tied for our best inner trait

But don’t take pieces just cause they have that

[tame garden]

Impassive is good

Bom is better

Both is pog

[royal rune]

BoM x 3 is a given

[sick sentinel]

BiS pieces happen to have all of them 😎

[royal rune]

Pogo?

Bis is the helm of abyssal malevolence

[sick sentinel]

Or nzoth helm

Or tbh ilgy helm not bad either

Just not bis

[royal rune]

Best tanks arent using nzoth helm

[sick sentinel]

If you aren’t using a mythic nzoth helm and you have it you are wrong

That said, abyssal is slightly better than heroic nzoth helm

Well

Decently better cause ilvl and traits

But heroic nzoth helm is really good

[royal rune]

And people seem to be using nzoth trinket yeah?

[sick sentinel]

Yes it is very strong defensively

As long as you are using it relatively on cd and need it to survive

[graceful cobalt]

wich i should take

and wich combo from this

[mortal brook]

twilight devastion

and sim the trinkets

(void is crap)

[graceful cobalt]

ok

[undone sun]

nice crop

[thick solstice]

I saw a spellreflect chart somewere, dont remember if it was here or not, anyone got a link?

[amber siren]

in pins

[mortal brook]

#268491842637660160 as well

[thick solstice]

thanks

[quaint yoke]

Thoughts? I have 21% haste and 9% vers corruption so I feel like it'd be worth

[sick sentinel]

socket good

[last gazelle]

If you got expiedent to go with it. I would take the haste/vers With socket anyday

[quaint yoke]

getting about 20% more average haste on my 460 wrathion trinket than my 475 rezan eye :/

[maiden ravine]

Not surprising

Wrathion trinket is stupidly strong

[quaint yoke]

I'm guessing vita would also be better

though vita doesn't have any strength on it

[tired forum]

https://gyazo.com/f10fac58769a710087ff266ed0457755

which one's better for survivability?

[grizzled oyster]

Hello

Echoing void vs TD for M+ ?

I have R5 Echoing void and R4 TD

[sick sentinel]

Td is vastly better

[grizzled oyster]

I'd like to push keys +16 to high

[sick sentinel]

Vita is vastly better @tired forum

[tired forum]

thx

[grizzled oyster]

Thanks

[lofty widget]

Hey might be a weird question buy is td affected by demo shout with BV or avatar?

[sweet summit]

no

[idle zephyr]

they removed the ability to spell reflect cyclone skill of first boss tos right? seemed like i just absorbed it rather than reflect

[amber siren]

should still be there

[sweet summit]

you reflect one and deflect the others now

[lime wing]

DUDE this new talent tree

ItF same tier as BV

[strong forum]

and same as UF

[frail oar]

now we will have real choice to make

i like it (but i'm still sad)

[strong forum]

we will now have defensive, aoe dps and ST dps talent builds

so thats gonna be cool

[amber siren]

i dont think ive changed my talent build this entire expac on prot

[strong forum]

and neither has anyone else

[pliant turtle]

I got my warrior to 120 the other day. current i lvl is almost 430. for visions can i do as prot or should I switch to fury and build a set up?

[sweet summit]

prot is easier imo

[sick sentinel]

You can do them as prot

[sweet summit]

if u have td

lul

[sick sentinel]

Just play whatever is most comfortable

[pliant turtle]

ya im playing catch up on gear, so I wasnt too sure

[brittle owl]

fury is really feelsbad in visions tbh

compared to prot

[sick sentinel]

yo guys, i need your feelycraft, would you rather take surging vitality r2, the versaproc on dmg thingy + strenght of the warden or sphere but no surging corruption...for m+

doing 19-21 keys on my alt

[left hatch]

warden+both

the statbudget of surging is higher than sphere alone

[sick sentinel]

thx

[idle zephyr]

anyone got a good weakaura for thing from beyond? can barely see those tiny fox fuckers

[winged grail]

wago.io

[sweet summit]

thats what you get for playing vulpera

[sick sentinel]

srs question, you get -5% as vulpera from thing from beyond right?

[languid roost]

so how do you guys feel about protw getting a bit gutted in shadowlands?

at least in terms of current meta playstyle

[flat jackal]

It looks like the prot play style will change to a slower paced style

I hope that’s not final.

[languid roost]

for people who dont know what i am talking about

thats a talent row in shadowlands

and it is very likely you have all 3 of them right now in live game

Anger Management doesnt reduce cooldown of Last Stand and Demoralizing Shout anymore

[oblique garnet]

its still alpha and everything is subject to change

wouldnt put too much emphasis on whatis shown there

[languid roost]

yes but on the other hand Blizzard will think its great if we give no feedback

so people who have access should try it out and give feedback on how it feels

they obviously changed a lot more than just these

as some specs had a lot of downtime between abilities now in shadowlands play fluidly with less haste

[idle zephyr]

@sick sentinel i think it was reducing mine by about 50k each time but can't properly confirm

[sick sentinel]

ty

[hallow phoenix]

I can't see the alpha channel anymore

What happened

Oh it's back nvm

[astral crystal]

we do this dance every expac, boys

"it's not final, don't worry", then it gets released almost exactly as the disaster it is through testing, then fixed a patch or two later

just gotta make peace with things

and enjoy the ride

[chilly brook]

@languid roost I'm not sure how I feel about that tbh it seems like they're really pushing to break the current "meta" that really only applies to the top of m+ between things like that talent change and the AoE change

I think I could certainly live without UF but that doesn't mean I'd like it, but then again we did it in Legion

If we have proper AoE damage without it then I think it will be ok

If we dont then that's a huge problem

Then again blizz doesn't want us pulling more than 5 mobs apparently anyways so.....why would I need UF amirite?

Tbh if they're going to make talent changes I'd rather see BV and UF go baseline as well as AM

[sick sentinel]

Prot is prob going to be fine, don’t panic

[chilly brook]

I'm not

[shut summit]

👉

[chilly brook]

I just think its boneheaded

[sick sentinel]

iron fortress or second def crush? or just simyoself?

[chilly brook]

IF

2nd DC is meh

At least you get block value with IF

[sweet summit]

im gonna play dragon roar

[chilly brook]

Get rid of impending victory, ravager, make AM baseline, doubtful anyone will take anything other than bolster on that row....

Also drop menace

[astral crystal]

👉
@shut summit

[chilly brook]

And honestly its doubtful that War Machine will ever be useful

[shut summit]

felt pretty good in the dungeon we did, but is only normal and shit just fell over so shrug

[astral crystal]

what build did you end up going?

[chilly brook]

They've listened so far in terms of feedback on what we want so hopefully they'll listen to the talent feedback lmao

[sharp quiver]

is there anywhere that will help me figure out which minor essences to use for each m+ dungeon?

[chilly brook]

Pins

[left hatch]

below 20 range CnS,Lucid,Sphere or Str of Warden

[chilly brook]

If they're going to make use choose between BV/itf/UF then UF needs to be its pre nerf state imo

[lime wing]

below 20 range CnS,Lucid,Sphere or Str of Warden
@left hatch SotW > Formless Void in m+?

If they're going to make use choose between BV/itf/UF then UF needs to be its pre nerf state imo
@chilly brook and even then, what would you choose?

[sick sentinel]

do u need to swap to dps loot spec to get certain trinkets from m+?

[sweet summit]

SotW>Void if you dont have anyone running CoF major

[left hatch]

^

for M+ tank loot spec has every trinket dps roll does

[chilly brook]

highly depends on everything else tbh

[sick sentinel]

ty bro!

[chrome palm]

can you buy glyphs from the auction house?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=141068/technique-glyph-of-the-blazing-savior

[sweet summit]

yeah

[blazing gale]

btw war machine is great talent... to speed up running in old raids for transmog farms 😄

[potent anvil]

Are there any reports to GCD for prot warr? There was a post about reporting it to blizz to make a possible change 🤔

[sweet summit]

remove gcd

[left hatch]

from what iv seen/heard the GCD feels the same

so not sure what you're wanting to report

[languid roost]

@chilly brook Bolster got massive nerf

last stand cooldown is not reduced by anger management

[modern brook]

Big oof

[lime wing]

*999999999999999999999999993333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333\\\ppppppppppppppppppp333333333333333

[amber siren]

[sick sentinel]

Excellent

[chilly brook]

@languid roost I know

But you're still not going to take the other two

[lucid dew]

465 rezen or 460 dragonscale

prob dragon scale right

better uptime

[sick sentinel]

Both are great. I lean towards rezans cause of how it feels but you’re right scale uptime is nice

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure Rezan's comes out on top at equal ilevel vs dragonscale

As far as damage anyway

Consistency is nice if you're leaning more toward defensiveness though I guess

[chilly brook]

@languid roost the argument for not using it even without the reduced CD from AM honestly just doesn't sound that strong imo. You can get an increase to your HP with 1% health per 10 rage spent which was bracers in Legion and I dont think that effect is nearly as good now as it was then for several reasons. And the other option is just a 40% increase to IP and even at that it looks like IP is the same as BFA, so its doubtful even with a scale up to 100% extra absorb that it would outweigh the extra block since block doesn't have a cap to damage mitigated.

[languid roost]

I personally think you could make argument for playing Indomitable

[ionic fern]

WHen?

Where?

[sweet summit]

SL

[chilly brook]

I honestly don't think you can tbh

The 1% heal per 10 rage spent was good in Legion when we had huge rage generation and IP was mitigating 90% of the incoming damage meaning the healing actually could do something

And even then it was mostly just a meme

[copper lion]

anyone know of a prot warrior stream that I can watch?

[ionic fern]

Idk, i can see some uses for it.
DS/LS being off of AM is gonna be weird - especially together with losing DC.
THat means that you'll get Bolster every 2 minutes..currently our AM/mitigation uptime in general is looking pretty bleak compared to now..
Plus the fact that ITF/BV/UF are all on the same row as well is a yikers.
I'm just hopeing they are going to move some talents around.

You mean Shadowlands or Bfa @copper lion ?

[copper lion]

bfa

[ionic fern]

Sense is currently streaming SHadowlands.

[copper lion]

no for mythic+

I want to watch their vids

[strong forum]

with all that stuff being off of AM Indom might become actually a solid choice

along with ITF / BV instead of UF

im currently doing some 20s Jirsa if you want i can turn on stream

[left hatch]

if you wanna find M+ warrior streams look on raider.io

if they're live they have a big red dot next to their name

[strong forum]

but its offensive R18+

[left hatch]

and their io page will link to their twitch stream

[ionic fern]

Indom is definitely looking like a solid option next to Bolster ngl.

[strong forum]

yup

nobody will ever play Never Surrender again

[ionic fern]

Punish/Devastator/HR new ST meta tho. 👀

Since Punish apparently stacks like BfI currently does.

[strong forum]

defo

[ionic fern]

[strong forum]

like, theres gonna be like 3 builds

1 that maximises rage gain with Indom

1 ST

and 1 Aoe / m+

[ionic fern]

PLUS..Dragon Roar might actually see some play now also next to Best SErved cold depending on how much damage Revenge will end up doing.

In AoE.

[strong forum]

yup

[sweet summit]

dr dream

[left hatch]

the best served cold rework though could make it a contender

esp since in high play every revenge will get the giga buff from not being free

[strong forum]

depending on how much dmg it actually will turn out to be

[ionic fern]

I don't like that Ravager is still a dead talent..
AM should just be made Baseline and Ravager removed - giving us 2 new talents .

[strong forum]

AM is kinda weak though, so ravager could still be a thing

[ionic fern]

Doubtful..Avatar is still on AM.
And what i saw from a screenshot Ravager numbers are still stupidly undertuned.

[left hatch]

if it wasn't target capped it could have potential

[sweet summit]

bUt tHE pArRY

[ionic fern]

Jep.

But no.

😂

[chilly brook]

I said it earlier

[chrome palm]

what's a better minor: Aegis or Strength of the Warden?

[chilly brook]

Take Ravager out, take IV out, make AM baseline get rid of menace

[chrome palm]

yeah AM baseline would be good

they should make Bolster baseline too

it's just too good

[chilly brook]

And once we're at endgame I question war machines efficacy

[chrome palm]

bolster is just going to lock down a row

[ionic fern]

It won't.

Before it did due to LS being on AM ontop of the already 2m CD.

• no other viable options on the same row. 😂

[chrome palm]

i dont understand

last stand was on anger management?

what does that mean?

LS being on AM

[warm plinth]

It means Anger Management reduced the CD of it. It won't in SL (as of now)

[chrome palm]

is only last stand being removed?

why are they making tanks less fun to play with less buttons to press?

[warm plinth]

LS and Demo Shout I believe

[chrome palm]

like what is the point of nerfing that?

are you just supposed to not have mitigation available now?

[warm plinth]

🤷 We have no way of knowing what it's going to look like in the end

[chrome palm]

i mean, they had to have intentionally removed those two specifically

[analog gulch]

Guys what can I use instead of conflict while I am working on obtaining it?

[chrome palm]

aegis gives a shitload of vers

if that's what you're talking about

there is no analog for the major power obviously

[analog gulch]

Ok cool, just starting to tank on the warrior bored of waiting ages to find groups far easier as a tank

[chrome palm]

join a guild

it's better than both alternatives

[warm plinth]

Yeah you can use Lucid/Sphere/Aegis or Lucid/Sphere/Formless

[analog gulch]

Great stuff thanks 🙂

[chilly brook]

Its not that they're giving us less to press

In fact they're giving a lot of tanks more to press

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm curious how Whirlwind/Execute are going to work out. If they'll be part of our rotation or just kinda there

[chilly brook]

The problem is they're taking this idea of large pulls in m+ and they think it's a problem so it seems in almost every aspect they're trying to make us do smaller pulls both in damage done and damage intake

Even though that's nerfing like 1% of the population and making it worse for everyone

Cuz apparently huge pulls aren't dangerous currently

[sick sentinel]

Yeah they seem a bit off base with why they’re making changes. Only problem I have.

[chilly brook]

At least prot pally is looking nice

Actually jk

Looking at their talent tree wtf

Some of these talent rows are

It's like they're trying to make talent rows more of a hard choice at the expense of hurting synergy of talent choices

[nimble mauve]

Talent row 6 for prot makes zero sense

It's like instead of tuning, they just threw it on the same row so we couldnt take them all

Looking at the first row, I don't even know what you would bother taking there.

[valid sundial]

not IV...

[chrome palm]

so they have a problem with a huge amount of the playerbase praying that a tank will queue for their group

and they made that worse from Legion -> BFA

less tanks in BFA than legion

[chilly brook]

@nimble mauve most likely punish

[chrome palm]

if they do that again, it will be less still

[chilly brook]

Probably war machine during leveling

[chrome palm]

they are cucking the DPS players by making it less fun to tank

[warm plinth]

War Machine for lower dungeons/world content but probably Punish overall

[chilly brook]

Like I said it's like they're trying to make decisions more impactful by giving you an ultimatum

And hurting synergy

[chrome palm]

yeah they said the GCD change was to make "decisions more impactful"

[chilly brook]

Specs feel good when there is synergy

[chrome palm]

and it was a terrible change

yeah synergy is a good word

[chilly brook]

I'd rather have one actual viable talent choice as long as it has synergy

[chrome palm]

right yeah

[chilly brook]

As opposed to a bunch of choices that make the spec incoherent

[chrome palm]

well by doing this, they'll just move the meta to a different tank

that hasnt gotten as bad of nerfs

and solve nothing

instead they could inteliigently design all the tanks to make them all powerful

like that armor change they made to BDK never recovered

[chilly brook]

I mean prot pally even seems like it got hit

[chrome palm]

to bone shield

[chilly brook]

Blood has recovered imo

[valid sundial]

strange, we get dual wield?

or am i reading that wrong?

[analog swift]

tbh it wasn't just the armor change, it was also the double ring azerite traits which warriors have absolutely great traits whereas blood as piss poor traits. I think if blood had traits that were on par with warriors they would have done much better

like warrior you pretty rarely take the generic choice (outside of MS really) whereas blood you ALWAYS do

[chilly brook]

Blood is honestly in a pretty good spot this tier

[sweet summit]

all tanks are good atm

[chilly brook]

And in all honesty Blizz has done a good job at all tanks being viable

There hasn't been a tier where you couldn't do content as a given tank

[sick sentinel]

^

There’s a clear favorite (as there usually will be) but there’s nothing stopping you from playing any class

[mortal brook]

and its brm

[sick sentinel]

No Steve

That’s what the betas say

Can brm spell reflect black scar

No they cannot

Good day

[chilly brook]

BrM is looking a little less braindead tbh

And that's a good thing

Celestial Brew essentially looking like the old guard

[earnest mist]

engi head with bloodsport + infinite darkness shoulders 475 ilvl with deafening crash + BoM

or

engihead with deafening crash + writing spaulders of madness 465 ilvl with BoM + Heart of darkness?

does the heart of darkness make up the stat lack?

(my corruption level is higher than 25 naturally)

[sick sentinel]

Bloodsport sucks

So option 2

[chilly brook]

I would personally go with the 10ilvl bump

And once you find a better set of traits for shoulders swap back

[sick sentinel]

Yeah what griff said ignore me I did not read ilvl

Ya hate to see that

[analog swift]

esp. for raid

blood is fucking great this tier, am the only monk rn so the red boi dream is dead

[sweet summit]

monk>blood in raids tho

[quiet crane]

Brewmaster is arguably looking easier

Tbh

It’s essentially as it stands just using purify on CD

There’s a write up on peak about it

[sweet summit]

brm is afk and still live

[raven flower]

He is there a list, what we can reflect in M+ with big improvements?

[chilly brook]

Considering Celestial Brew is supposed to scale off of purified damage I would think there would be some fun play with it

But I'm also not playing with it so it could very well be easier, it's hard to actually accurately gauge how easy or hard tanks are without doing endgame content though tbh

[quiet crane]

It’s merely all conjecture of course at this point it’s just what numbers currently point to

[chilly brook]

I dont like that shuffle is essentially another form of isb though

Imo they should have really returned that class to using chi for all specs and go back to a WoD/MoP form of BrM

Where there was a lot more to your mitigation besides just ISB

[quiet crane]

Eh is what it is, I like the change to pally despite everyone disliking it I miss my old wrath and cata pally

[chilly brook]

What change specifically

[quiet crane]

It’s no a charge based system now

[chilly brook]

Cuz apparently it feels really good on all specs in SL

[quiet crane]

It’s holy power

[chilly brook]

Yea but I'm ok with that

[quiet crane]

Not

[chilly brook]

I know

I'm very ok with prot using HP

Same with holy

[quiet crane]

So am I,

[chilly brook]

I would have preferred a more wrath style

But this is ok

[quiet crane]

I’m just curious to see how the mitigation is tuned

[chilly brook]

Also apparently prot feels very much more like a support who's shielding the party instead of just being a meat shield which sounds great to me as per Preach

[quiet crane]

As it stands before end game gear or such it’s sitting at 80% uptime, if they’re meant to have really strong mitigation add the fact they heal during that

There’s gotta be some tuning

I like that to, I feel it’s very paladin like

[chilly brook]

Well imo prot pally kinda needs higher uptime

At least with how its played in BFA

[quiet crane]

Warrior more fits the aesthetic of just face fucking everybring

Everything

[chilly brook]

It just feels like paper without SotR

[quiet crane]

It is dude lol

[sick sentinel]

yo guys, im new to tanking, never tanked shrine, do a 20 now, do i have to dodge the cleave of second boss? or can i just sb it easily?

[chilly brook]

You've never done shrine

[sick sentinel]

yea

[chilly brook]

And you're doing a 20

[sick sentinel]

yes

[chilly brook]

Wtf

And yes dodge that

Its not hard

Never take damage if you dont have to

[sick sentinel]

i ve never tank shrine with warr 😄

You'll want to dodge the surging rush on 1st boss too

it s difficult because i will tank on the ledge, and there will be alot of whirls, and sometimes you cant dodge

[quiet crane]

Shrine is fine

Everybring in there is avoidable

[chilly brook]

You can for the most part face tank his ironside or w/e the buff is as long as you have shield block

[quiet crane]

You have kicks on the casters and you’re fine

[sick sentinel]

ok ty

[chilly brook]

But dodge everything you can because you shouldn't take avoidable damage

Period

[quiet crane]

It’s more workshop and ML with the last two bosses that suck

That’s unavoidable

[chilly brook]

Apparently the Kyrian ability for prot pally is insane

[sick sentinel]

yea sure :p tanked 20-21s before on my guardian 😄 warr just 2 weeks old . sometimes tricky with all the whirls, dont want to rip the key with trusting in sb , but if you say its ok , i trust

[chilly brook]

It's literally an AoE silence with huge burst of damage

[quiet crane]

You can SR the dot and such but and use it to reduce what you can but beyond that it’s CD cycling and IP

Yeah warrior is a bit different to guardian

It’s physical fortitude is unmatched by any of the other tanks they’re a shield wall

[sick sentinel]

yeas

xD

[quiet crane]

I havnt looked into the covenants yet

[chilly brook]

Kyrian ability is 5 Avenger's Shields

[quiet crane]

Oh shit

[chilly brook]

At once

[quiet crane]

That’s yikes

Pally solo kicking since forever

[chilly brook]

Literally just silence a whole pack

[quiet crane]

It’s old school held silence

But with dmg

Belf

[sick sentinel]

tankbuster guy, i can facetank it and never fall below 90% on my guardian, with warr it s very spicy oiften, i have to kite alot

[chilly brook]

For ret it,s judgement on 5 targets and generates 5 HP

[quiet crane]

The tank buster it’s self isn’t what’s the dangerous it’s the follow up

[chilly brook]

So big boi aoe pumps

[sick sentinel]

yea thats the part i have to kite for a short time

[chilly brook]

Ironsides?

[quiet crane]

Nah literally having SB is enough assuming this is the obelisk

If it’s the irontide

Just SB or a CD is fine

[sick sentinel]

ty for your time

[quiet crane]

What key level are you ranking and what item lvl are you roughly?

Because he practically tickled

Tickles a warr

[chilly brook]

If it's the second boss his ironsides buff is omegalul

[sick sentinel]

im doing 18-20s and im 465, but no in time 20 until now

[chilly brook]

Shield block and laugh

[quiet crane]

That’s fine honestly unless your shield is the low ilvl

[chilly brook]

If its obelisk I have 0 idea on them

I still have to learn since I'm coming back

[sick sentinel]

Obelisk is just face tank tbh

[chilly brook]

But then again I'm playing ret pally so I dont even gotta know now

[sick sentinel]

20+ can start to hurt a dab. But usually to execute skips properly I just kite it anyway

Mwahi is here

🏃

[chilly brook]

Ret is big boi pumps

[quiet crane]

Yeah in wings

Then hide and come back when wings is back

[chilly brook]

Just VoP

Ez

[ionic fern]

👀

Just reading.

[chilly brook]

And typing

😛

[quiet crane]

They do some scary damage inside wings

Expecially in pvp

[chilly brook]

I enjoy it quite a bit just need to find a group to play with, joined a random guild signed up for their heroic run and uhhh that was a yikes

Went into the raid at 455 and uhhh was like 4th on damage and they wiped on Maut like 10 times

[quiet crane]

Omph what’s their prog

Oh

Crap

[chilly brook]

Apparently they've done aotc

[quiet crane]

Drunk night maybe?

[chilly brook]

But I was like "yep I'm gone"

[quiet crane]

Maybe it was a drunk night

[chilly brook]

It wasn't

[quiet crane]

rip

[chilly brook]

The GM was a girl

[sick sentinel]

Every night is drunk night

[chilly brook]

Like 460 something

[sick sentinel]

What you mean

[chilly brook]

11k

Hunter

Must have only been auto attacking

[quiet crane]

Their auto attacks actually hit insanely hard

[sick sentinel]

Sometimes you have to board the struggle bus to appreciate the finer things

[chilly brook]

Facts

[quiet crane]

Must of been afk with character turned

[chilly brook]

Lol

[quiet crane]

Every BM I see auto is like around their top dps

[chilly brook]

I feel like I could really get into BM next xpac

[sick sentinel]

BM is fun

[chilly brook]

With kill shot and arcane shot being back

[quiet crane]

Much prefer MM

[chilly brook]

Like I already have a BM at like 430

[quiet crane]

I hate BMs feel

[sick sentinel]

I was just gonna day i think MM could be fun

[chilly brook]

BM honestly feels like a proc based Prot

[quiet crane]

Thing I got into recently for my dps toons if fire

And Jesus that’s fun

Is

Eh I’d debate that

[chilly brook]

Oh boy

Ion

No replacement for TF/Corruption in SL

Boys

We have actual BiS now

[quiet crane]

Omph

I don’t know how I’d feel about it going back to that

[chilly brook]

Bro

Possibly looking at Tier Sets coming back

[quiet crane]

I’ve been rng fucked for so long I might miss the masochistic side of it

[chilly brook]

[quiet crane]

If only

[chilly brook]

Hey man

At blizzcon it was a "nope"

Now it's a "we can consider it"

Outlaw looks so Pog

Slice and Dice baseline

[quiet crane]

Outlaw is still uncapped same as unholy isn’t it?

[chilly brook]

Nah

Blade flurry 30 second CD no charge, hits 4 other targets

[quiet crane]

I thought it was weird because I saw something about ignite being capped at 8

But not them

[chilly brook]

Nope

[quiet crane]

Yeah I didn’t see that

[chilly brook]

Tbh the aoe and some talent shifts are the only problems I've had so far with the announcements

Because it feels like them fixing a "problem" that's a problem only because they say it's a "problem"

[quiet crane]

I wonder how the hell the new warrior ability’s will intertwine

I agree with archies post

[chilly brook]

Dont think I saw it

[quiet crane]

God I wish they brought back gladiator though

Shit that was fun

[chilly brook]

Glad stance would be so pog

Wheres his post?

[quiet crane]

Fuck i would donanything to have that back

Go into shadowlands tab and it should be in the pins

[chilly brook]

His post about talents needing to be impactful? @quiet crane

[quiet crane]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/35754361

[chilly brook]

Ah that one

[quiet crane]

He’s overall write up about some warrior ability’s becoming baseline etc

He doesn’t know much about prot I’d imagine mwahi might have more to say

However I do agree overall although I kinda like prot having execute even if it might not be feasible, just like execute

[chilly brook]

The problem with how they messed with prot is they're actively just making the spec worse imo

Like the current way it plays it feels great

[quiet crane]

I like it and I don’t

I still feel like it’s missing soemthing

[chilly brook]

And that's because the toolkit we have available synergizes so well

[quiet crane]

Something

It’s my own personal flavour however

[chilly brook]

But taking ITF BV and UF and putting it all on the same row completely ruins it

Sure you get to choose one impactful talent

But at the expense of the flow of the spec

[quiet crane]

Revenge feels weak as hell and I don’t like thunder clap being the huge source of dps

I’d like some sorta flurry ability type thing

[chilly brook]

I like clap

[quiet crane]

I feel it would fit more aesthetically

[chilly brook]

Clap has always been the most flashy tbh

So to me it makes sense it's the major source

[quiet crane]

Yeah i only disagree out of my own personal beliefs on what I feel a warrior to be

[chilly brook]

Revenge has never felt amazing to press imo

It doesn't even feel that great to press in classic

[quiet crane]

I don’t think stomping the ground really does anything unless they made it a big frontal thing that lifts the earth up

[chilly brook]

And I dont remember it feeling great in wrath either

[quiet crane]

Yeah I never played prot warr in any of those times

[chilly brook]

But I can understand you

[quiet crane]

I was pally for wrath onwards started warrior in mop

But yeah I just feel more sword and shield play would fit better buts it’s just entirely my own personal preference, I like tclap but I feel it should be CD based with a real big earthquake sorta feel and everything else is pretty kuch slashing and gliding through with sword and shield

[chilly brook]

Ret is kinda the same for me I enjoy it but I don't think that the damage should be so loaded into your spenders and wings

[fast kestrel]

How do you deal with Rixxa in motherlode? I tanked 13+ today and she was destroying me with searing reagent ;/

[quiet crane]

Yeah she’s magic my dude the last two suck

For the dot you can SR it

Other then that chuck your resource into IP use SB only if you need/got the resources for dmg and cycle CDs and call externals

[fast kestrel]

okay ill try that next time cheers

[quiet crane]

Them two and the end boss from workshop are sucky

[chilly brook]

I'd say ask for a blessing of spellwarding but its prot pally exclusive lmao

[quiet crane]

I’d say just hit them with your shield harder

Knock em out!

[chilly brook]

True

Best mitigation is dead

[sick sentinel]

Should I use versatility sockets?

[quiet crane]

Haste

Always

[sick sentinel]

for 23 plus keys

[chilly brook]

What key levels are you doing

I'd do it then

[sick sentinel]

ty

[chilly brook]

As long as you have vers corruption anyways

[sick sentinel]

i have full versatile

[quiet crane]

I wouldn’t unless your corruption would increase your stats overall

I would stick to haste

[sick sentinel]

4 items

[quiet crane]

Then yeah it’d be worth

[sick sentinel]

and then it would be not good to socket haste or?

should i only socket haste with my td builds

[chilly brook]

Depends on your use case

[quiet crane]

I’d say because you get more stats because of the corruption socket into that, however that’s only what I’d do don’t take that as the best thing to do I’ll state that right now

[chilly brook]

If you're doing 23 and above and have vers corruption it's worth to stack vers

[manic flame]

is prot warrior going to be dead in shadowlands

[quiet crane]

Haste is better without interference however, but Ilvl and stats always

Way to early dude, and very unlikely

The tank balance has been incredible this expac

[sick sentinel]

asmongold plays warrior so no @manic flame

[quiet crane]

Well felt uldir

Cept

[chilly brook]

Idk man

I was doing great in Uldir as prot

[quiet crane]

Warr felt shit honestly

Fucking GCDs

[chilly brook]

BrM was just omegalul

[sick sentinel]

why u think warr was never nerfed

[quiet crane]

Because we sucked legioj

Lmao

[chilly brook]

Warrior was definitely nerfed

[quiet crane]

We needed our moment

[sick sentinel]

ignore pain was broken in legion

[quiet crane]

Lol no it wasn’t

[sick sentinel]

yyyyyyyyyy

[quiet crane]

Was for all of a day for EN

[chilly brook]

It really wasn't

[sick sentinel]

it felt op

[quiet crane]

Then it got gutted

[sick sentinel]

🤣

[quiet crane]

Like if they left it untouched oath it was

But they broke our hopes and dreams real quick

[chilly brook]

If they left it untouched from legion we would have been the best magic tanks lol

[quiet crane]

But you know allowed brewmaster monks to solo mythic bosses in HFC mythic in wod

[chilly brook]

Tbh BrM wasn't the only ones

Blood was doing it

[quiet crane]

Scale of a big dragon dude felt good in my book’s aesthetically

[molten void]

could any of you beautiful warriors explain to me briefly how protection is utilizing lucid dreams as a major in high keys? are they just using it to keep ignore pain up constantly in high incoming damage situations?

[quiet crane]

Mwahi did a write up on it

[chilly brook]

What keys are you doing @molten void

[quiet crane]

It’s easier to read that

Unless you’re doing 20s plus you wouldn’t come close to even using it as a major and 20 is still low for it

[molten void]

14's and 15's at the highest, using VOP atm

ok ty

[quiet crane]

Then keep to vop

[chilly brook]

Then dont worry about it

[molten void]

nice to hear, VOP feels nice

[chilly brook]

Lucid is basically just used to chain Avatar

[molten void]

ahhhh gotchya

[chilly brook]

Pulls where you essentially need to stay in avatar

[molten void]

yep that expalains the 30%+ haste paired with it

[quiet crane]

Oh how I wish I’ve unlocked the little furry Vulpera

I’m gunna have to put some solid time into it

[chilly brook]

No

[quiet crane]

Yesssss

[chilly brook]

Delete your account

[molten void]

lol

[quiet crane]

Noooooo

[chilly brook]

Burn the furries

[quiet crane]

Vulppperrraaaa masterace

[chilly brook]

Panda masterrace tf

[quiet crane]

Yuck

[chilly brook]

Panda is BiS

[quiet crane]

Of the fat guy didn’t ruin every play mog ever

Only if the fat gut

[chilly brook]

If only I could be a panda paladin

[quiet crane]

Plate

God I hate phone autocorrect

[molten void]

lightforged pandaren coming next

[chilly brook]

Yo dawg I'm gonna go post a pic of my panda warrior now

[quiet crane]

Makes as much sense as lightforged DK

[chilly brook]

True

Panda pic incoming

[sick sentinel]

[sick sentinel]

A fellow panda warrior

Hello brother

[lean arch]

is torment any good for prot?

[sweet summit]

its good damage

but rezan +vitra tho

[fossil sparrow]

do warriors have the least amount of health out of tanks? or is it just me

[sick sentinel]

👁️

We are somewhere in the middle

[tame garden]

are you

[lime wing]

but rezan +vitra tho
@sweet summit those are the go-to trinkets nowadays?

[sweet summit]

for me yeah

[exotic spoke]

I’m using humming black dragon scale and nZoths currently

[fossil sparrow]

time to spend the next week in Atal Dazar for prot gear, yay

[exotic spoke]

I have a rezans but probably won’t use it because I’m starting to value other stats more

[lime wing]

I've heard black dragon scale was BiS with vitra

[exotic spoke]

Black dragon scale is pretty good

[strange tide]

Bit late but did someone say panda?

[slate pilot]

Does anyone in here know if several Things from beyond spawn at the same time, do you only take damage from one of them or from several? Assuming they spawn and hit you at the same time

[novel ruin]

Is sporepods any good for dungeons?

[limpid pawn]

absolutely amazing

is what we would say if it weren't so bad

[novel ruin]

what trinkets are we using as protection? Using socketed 465 wraithon trinket, also have 475 fang, 465 vial, 465 rezans, 460 block, 460 briny, 460 torment? Working on Nzoth and Maut trinket

[oblique garnet]

Imo wrathion/vita combo is the best for tanking m+

[novel ruin]

so use rezans until Vita?

[oblique garnet]

Pretty much

[novel ruin]

kk, ty

[oblique garnet]

Theres not one right answer to what trinkets tanks should be running

[limpid pawn]

i timed a 20 ataldazar this week on my 455 warrior with mechagon trinket and sporepods and anima major

would be the type of thing you wouldn't really hear people saying

[oblique garnet]

[novel ruin]

rofl

[brittle owl]

i see a challenge

i might take it

just need sporepod and mechagon trinkey

[wheat talon]

I mean, it's probably doable with those trinkets, but 455?

[rustic tinsel]

I was about to say lol

I don’t think I could get my equipped that low currently

Just take off your Azerite too ez

[sharp night]

what if i told you as long as you don't get oneshot it's perfectly viable

[oblique garnet]

This week you wont time a 20 atal with 455

[sharp night]

people are doing 25s in ~475 gear, so doing a 20 (which is like 50% less damage/hp than 25s) with 20 ilvls lower (about a 20% drop in stats) is definitely doable

[oblique garnet]

On fortified you might

Actually depending on your healer you might be able to live rezan

[sick sentinel]

atal isn't very hard on the tank outside of rezan. And you jsut get carried by 475 dps that time 24s bosses don't last long

That's a lie

lmao

tyran bosses no matter how good the dps take ages

and tha'ts why tyran blows for pushing

[quiet crane]

455 at +20 lvl this week

[sick sentinel]

You don't play with the dps that time 24s. If you put a dps that times 24s into a 20 key the bosses don't last more than 2-2.5 minutes.

[quiet crane]

You got giga fat % and verse procs?

[sick sentinel]

You realize

I am a person that times 24s

and I do play with people who do 24s

??????????????

Bosses

literally take ages

No matter if I"m doing 60k dps as prot while everyone is doing 90k or not

it still takes ages

You're seriously underestimating how quickly you can kill a +20 tyran boss vs. a +24 tyran boss

[oblique garnet]

Bosses take like 2-3 minutes on 20-22s tyrannical

[quiet crane]

Yeah 455 guy is the one I’m talking to I’d generally like to see the guy survive rezan

^^

Literally

They eat so much time

[sick sentinel]

rezan is pretty easy if i'ts an hpal

[quiet crane]

Add teeming into the mix where you just need endless amounts of trash

[sick sentinel]

Hpal can bop one set of the dot off

sac another

wings another

[quiet crane]

Regardless one mistake even at 455 even ever so slightly

Not even a global and you’re dead

Doesn’t matter how good your healer is if you go 100-0

15s and all that yeah that’s understandable but 455 I’m also Gunna assume you got 0 corruption

[sharp night]

a 475 warr doesn't have 50% more hp than a 455 warr

[quiet crane]

It’s not just Stam man

[sharp night]

it's the bleed that kills

[sick sentinel]

The only thing you can mitigate the bleed from

[quiet crane]

You’re missing the fact of the amount of other stats your missing from 455-475 and generally if you’re at 475 you’ve got some corruption banked

[sick sentinel]

is IP

ilvl doesn't matter

stats don't matter

besides maybe vers

it's a bleed

[quiet crane]

If stats and Ilvl don’t matter

Do it on a 430 440

same keys you do

[sharp night]

430 is gonna have nearly 50% less stats than a 475

[quiet crane]

I’d rephrase your statement I think I get what you’re staying

Saying

[sick sentinel]

that far a drop is retarded to make a comparison to

[quiet crane]

But that’s not a good way to put it

Even 20 Ilvl is significant

[sick sentinel]

You can take off 1 ring and be below 455 ilvl

how about this

[quiet crane]

I’m skeptical at the least and would just like to see it I’m not saying it’s impossible

[sick sentinel]

I'll take off a ring

you're seriously overvaluing 20 ilvl

or a waist

or a wrist

and I'll be at 445

and then I'll do a tyran rezans

lmao

it dropped me only 70k hp

[lusty grotto]

@oblique garnet ineffible truth = no bueno?

[oblique garnet]

Very good

[sick sentinel]

ineffible truth is pretty good for something like

third boss ML

[lusty grotto]

where. is. my. td

[sick sentinel]

you have spell reflect every set

[lusty grotto]

so fuckign dumb

[sick sentinel]

if you get decent procs

[sullen hinge]

Hi morning. May I ask how do u guys gear up for Prot warrior?

So I need to keep 2 sets of gear. 1 for prot. 1 for fury(for world quest). I can’t do world quest with prot spec.

[limpid pawn]

you can easily world quest as prot spec

gather up all the mobs, and thunderclap + twilight dev is the hint

[hallow phoenix]

Just proc TD :)

Kyothi you around?

[sick sentinel]

what

[hallow phoenix]

In Atal on a week like this how many saurid+skycreamer packs do you pull together

Or rather how do you pull the mid area of atal

[sick sentinel]

same as always

[hallow phoenix]

My group did a 21 and though we double pulled some of the packs we were still short on time. Felt like we wasted most of our time mid

Was wondering if anyone pulls 3 skyscreamers or dino pack + skyscreamer pack

[sick sentinel]

pulling mid is probably good time

lusting right is probably good time also

https://prnt.sc/rx4fh3

Poggies

[tardy bane]

best talents for questing/solo content prot?

[left hatch]

same as the default loadout

[strong crescent]

whats best wpn enchant these days for prot?

[warm plinth]

Force Mult

[strong crescent]

cheers

[regal star]

probably a stupid question but how good is avoidance?

[mortal brook]

the majority of all content's damage is direct

you would not drop ilvl for avoidance, or use the avoidance corruption

[regal star]

na i got a 460 vers,haste, avoidance ring was thinking of using but i sim lower with it then 445 crit,haste one

[lofty widget]

hey guys, regarding heroic nzoth would td r4 or stars r5 be better dps wise? i'm not sure how i would sim that

[alpine shard]

td4, You barely hit Nzoth on heroic

combined dps uptime on Nzoth heroic is like 2-3 mins

[lofty widget]

right that makes sense, thank you 🙂

[hidden plaza]

what would you rate better surging vitality or versatile and does it have any interaction with current vers/essences?

[strong forum]

Versatile if you already have a shit load of vers and yes

If you don't have shit load of vers take surging

[keen crescent]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=168963/fusion-hacker&bonus=4777&spec=73#comments

[strong forum]

Fusion hacker is very good

[keen crescent]

is that 1h good for tanking?

[sick sentinel]

ablative shielding vs gutripper

[mortal brook]

High st compared to equal ilvl. Stays ahead even on multi up to lots of targets

[sick sentinel]

high mythic plus

[keen crescent]

ty boyz

[strong forum]

Gutripper

Ablative is useless for almost every tank

[hidden plaza]

I hate Yazma and dps

[sweet summit]

rng spawn packs on teeming is worse, cant change my mind

[hidden plaza]

Yazma with spiders everywhere 😢

The yazma strat is to group up and move together isn't it?

[sweet summit]

yeah

you wanna group so the spiders dont spread all over the place

[hidden plaza]

well i had range spread everywhere so much fun

[sweet summit]

fun times

[faint bridge]

hello guys, is innefable truth (rank 1) is good corruption ?

[sweet summit]

its ok

[last mason]

Fusion hacker drops from junkyard right

[sweet summit]

yes

[strange tide]

Fusion hacker has simmed higher than all other weapons I’ve had at same ilevel

[sweet summit]

its very good

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/pJiOG33.png

finally

[pliant mesa]

I've been running with a fury warrior doing keys and i've noticed his TD (he has 2 pieces with TD) proc alot within the first hit or two of a mob pull, which pulls threat off a mob or two before i can get full threat on all (yes i open with TC and avatar if up) - it makes pulling more mobs an issue... has anyone else noticed this or is it me having threat issues?

[strong forum]

i never have threat issues

even without TD procs

idk what to tell you besides press your buttons, taunt prio targets

you can reset taunt with heroic leap if needed

and taunt another target

[pliant mesa]

getting threat back hasn't been a problem short of its a nuisance to have to get it back... guess i'll play around some. thanks

[strong forum]

losing aggro for 1 or 2 globals is fine

its the fury's issue if he isnt prepared to rip aggro if he literally procs TD before you can even attack once

[pliant mesa]

i was thinking of having him hold back 1-2 seconds before attacking... once i get full threat, there are no issues, just on initial group pulls.

[strong forum]

well thats normal

a good dps just full blast instantly

[pliant mesa]

well his TD blasts instantly, lol

[strong forum]

not if he doesnt attack

i generally open packs with Heroic leap instead of charge aswell

if i dont need the rage

so i have instantly some more threat leap->TC->X

instead of having that 1sec charge where you only TC'd

[pliant mesa]

fair point... i could leap more

[sick sentinel]

Leap to generate threat is an underrated attack plan

[strong forum]

you can also position yourself better as you are instantly in the middle or wherever you need to be

[pliant mesa]

my healer is gonna love it when i tell her, haha

we have arunning joke about me leaping before she was ready... happened a while ago, but now we just laugh

[sick sentinel]

If healer isn’t ready

Tell them to get ready

They like that

[pliant mesa]

haha... must be a healer thing... they all seem to like it when you tell them that

[distant crystal]

idk, i open with leap a lot and i kinda feel like i'm inting

rather save it for kiting or doubletaunt

[sick sentinel]

It is so rare that I actually need leap for double taunt

That I would not save it for that purpose

[distant crystal]

what's the upside

you lose out on charge rage too