protection

[undone sun]

nope

no percentages to worry about, it's not that important

[pseudo depot]

so just go full balls haste and let crit drop off?

[regal star]

basically just sim for more dps

[warm plinth]

You go for highest ilevel. If that gives you more crit, cool. If it gives you more haste, also cool.

If you are doing irrelevant content and just want more damage, sim it

[sick sentinel]

what if i want more mastery ghash

[ivory barn]

how do I keep my addon settings but delete everything else? just the settings not the addons?
I want to delete all my crap but keep my weak auras/macros ?

[warm plinth]

Well macros aren't addons, so as long as you don't touch the WTF folder, those won't be touched. And to keep WAs, just delete everything in the AddOns folder except WAs

[sharp night]

what settings are you trying to delete

or reset

[sullen valve]

WowA will be supported in shadowlands from the start :D

[ivory barn]

i got what I needed I think, I just delete the entire WoW folder except WTF and reinstalled

but anywho Prot is absolutely right now

[hidden plaza]

Quick question to prove point, best defensive trinkets i should use for m+ ?

[mortal brook]

vita

big boi haste is more rage gen, block uptime, anger management feed for higher cd uptime

[hidden plaza]

gore block or jes ?

[sick sentinel]

Block

[hidden plaza]

How would you guys rate jes?

[mortal brook]

poor.

10s uptime over 2 minutes

that's very low avg stat. dont give it more credit than it deserves cuz vers is a straight DR stat. all secondaries give defensiveness, and things like block, rezan's, vita, all give way more average stat

[maiden ravine]

when your damage sucks in the dungeon cause you never got juicy TD procs

oh well

12 done in time

my DH really needs some weapons

[stoic harness]

what would the ideal essences for M+ be to make me seem "less squishy"? im 471 equipped and feel like im using mitigation well but i keep getting told that its my fault and not the healers

[maiden ravine]

VoP major, sphere, CnS, and then you have some options for the third

if you need corruption resist, formless void is a good one

strength of the warden if you don't have formless void

[stoic harness]

is Sphere okay to use at r2? im close to rank 3 just havent dont much towards r3

[maiden ravine]

yeah

sphere 1 works fine honestly

[stoic harness]

same question for CnS

[maiden ravine]

CnS you want rank 3

[stoic harness]

havent been doing much pvp lately ahah

okay

atm im using Anima Strength and Null Dyna for minors

[mortal brook]

anima basically a dead minor slot. when it'd be useful is when the stacks dissapear, and its a slow rampup back

between then its just extra bursting dmg taken

[stoic harness]

fair point i just liked having alot of HP ahah

ive heard good things about Agis of the deep

Aegis

[mortal brook]

solid choice yes

[stoic harness]

and would these options change the higher i go in keys?

im tryna push my io this week

with a healer from my guild i can trust i can probably do a 17 no sweat its just in pugs i cant seem to find a healer of the same caliber

[mortal brook]

not really until 20+ no

[stoic harness]

out of curiosity what would be the essence changes for a +20

[mortal brook]

can be memory major past 20

until then vop

and even then, its group and pull relevant to memory or not

[stoic harness]

oof guess no +20s for me ahah its the reason i dont play Arms anymore cbf doing r2-r3 Lucid

[mortal brook]

🤷

could prob get away with vop np to a point

[stoic harness]

i know it was reduced but still getting only 1 companion level a day is agonising

[mortal brook]

get the extra items

bark is worth a day and a half of quests

[stoic harness]

bark?

[mortal brook]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=170184/ancient-reefwalker-bark 450 xp for a turnin

[stoic harness]

i only came back a month before 8.3 so alot of this stuff is new to me

[mortal brook]

r3 should be nerfed to what, 4800 total xp now?

just 2 weeks of quests

[stoic harness]

well if youre just doing the quests it takes 48 days

wait nvm

48/3 and im bad at math

16 days

[mortal brook]

16 without xp turnins like the bark

weekly lockout on that item, but it'd knock out 3 days over 2 week

[stoic harness]

i think im a decent amount in idk ive just never been a fan of huge timegated things

[mortal brook]

13 days

aye i feel ya

esp for non-relevant content

[stoic harness]

ive already given up on flying

especially since its not very essential anymore

[mortal brook]

bruh

6 days

[stoic harness]

i just ask for summons to dungeons ahah

[mortal brook]

6 days to revered

[stoic harness]

but thats time i can be doing keys

the last time i properly played was MoP so im used to just hitting max level and buying flying ahah

[last gazelle]

Would yall say a 460 vita or a 475 scale with socket. Paired with Psychic Shell

[mental scarab]

Get that def trinket oudhahear and use dps trinkets

🥳🥳

[amber siren]

they didnt say what key level or content they were doing

vita is worth 5 ilvl over rezan/scale so the 475 will win there

[worthy linden]

incite the pack or bloodsport?

[brittle owl]

i'm not sure where that 5 ilvl worth comes from

cause it seems alot like feelycraft

especially when compared to scale

[amber siren]

its been quoted a few times, no one seems to have said anything otherwise

happy to be proven wrong

[brittle owl]

can't really compare a 20%ish uptime on a big haste buff to a 50-60% uptime on a moderate one can you

they function differently

[amber siren]

like i said, i havent done the math, its been quoted the past few months without any issues so you'd need to take it up with someone else, probably a stormforged or TC

[strong forum]

I've never heard that saying

Only between scale and rezan

But not with vita

🤷‍♂️

[amber siren]

i might be misremembering then

[limpid pawn]

Is thunderclap getting aoe capped in shadowlands ? Lol

[brittle owl]

no

just nerfed

lile the other aoe abilities

[autumn pendant]

Goodbye dc

Goodbye bastion

Welcome

[astral crystal]

also target capped FeelsBadMan

[strong forum]

but we get WW

as aoe filler

hypers

[placid oar]

@left hatch thank you sir for the reply... Sorry i was busy with work and only just saw you reply.... have a good day and stay safe!

[quaint yoke]

do we always want a +120str gem?

[lime wing]

With the covenant abilities getting more details now which one looks better for us?

[left hatch]

the banner most likely

for any progression content

or the execute buff if you're selfish/looking to parse whore in raid

[lime wing]

Will Indomitable be competitive with Bolster now that is gives you 1% MHP heal per 10 rage

[left hatch]

irrc they're on diff rows now

so not a comparison/competition

[lime wing]

irrc they're on diff rows now
@left hatch how do you know that? 😮

[left hatch]

ppl were talking about it yesterday

its in the long list of class changes

its now where Rumbling Earth is rn

[lime wing]

what? a great survivability talent in the CC row?

[left hatch]

Never surrender is moved to that row as well

ah nvm bolster is as well

rip

[lime wing]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Never Surrender starting at 40% still seems lackluster

[left hatch]

tbh indomitable still seems lackluster

10% health increase is a nonfactor

[lime wing]

I just miss my legendary bracers so much :T

[left hatch]

and unless they rework how strong blokc is a 1% heal per 10 rage is very meh in comparison

[ionic fern]

AM no longer reduces Last Stand CD tho which is a bit of a drag.

[stiff oracle]

indomitable for the big TDs

[left hatch]

which matters..... what in shadowlands with corruptio ngone

[stiff oracle]

TD

[left hatch]

ouch, also doesn't reduce cd of Demo Shout

higher uptime of Ava over DS incoming

[lime wing]

It's still worth it just reducing Avatar and SW?

Maybe HR to increase SB uptime to compensate for changing Bolster to Indo? one man can dream

[left hatch]

depends if UC is totally out or just shifted around

[brittle owl]

fam you get to spam whitlwind as prot in shadowlands

[ionic fern]

Can't say for sure - it's still early and i'm not gonna go out of my way with numbers right now which are bound to change at any moment.

[brittle owl]

and execute

[left hatch]

since something is "in its place" but doesn't say where/if its moving

[brittle owl]

LS getting out of AM is fine

[left hatch]

same with UC

[brittle owl]

just whirlwind your sorrows away

[left hatch]

theres something 'in its place' without saying where its moving too

and with HP no longer having any damage component at all, seems likely AM rn will still be the go-to m+ talent

since ravager is now not only shit but target capped

(:

[lime wing]

They added "Multiple punishments may overlap." to Punish desc, what that means exactly?

[left hatch]

the same way BFI buff works now

instead of refreshing the buff it stacks as multiple overlapping buffs that expire independently

Ironfur is another example of that

[lime wing]

makes sense

It's still worth it just reducing Avatar and SW?
@lime wing at least SW will give us 50% now

[ionic fern]

I wonder which row they are going to put Booming Voice on. 🤔
ITF is on Booming Voice Spot..and War Machine is in ITF spot.

[lofty widget]

could you hope it becomes baseline?

[ionic fern]

It's still listed under talents.

Just not which row.

[oblique garnet]

This is still the first class changes so everything can still change easily i wouldnt stress too much on them

[brittle owl]

stress more on rarted aoe cap and the covenant system, specifically that we can't respec

[oblique garnet]

Idk im bored enough to level multiple of same class atm

[ionic fern]

I'm not.

😂

[brittle owl]

neither am i lmao

would rather watch paint dry ngl

at least theres some catharsis there

[ionic fern]

Just don't pick the covenant before 2 weeks into mythic raid.

So after the first balance patch.

😂

[sacred cradle]

Looks like prot warriors are getting heavily nerfed... thoughts on them for shadowlands guys?

[ionic fern]

Sorry, what?

[sacred cradle]

Just read the shadowlands prot warrior changes and it looks like they're getting hit hard, what do you guys think about them?

[sweet summit]

i think its a playable spec :)

[brittle owl]

you're reading too much into something that's not meant to be read into

[ionic fern]

🤔
I'm not sure how any of those are "hitting us hard".

[brittle owl]

also this^

which implies you're also reading it wrong

[sacred cradle]

Looked like damage numbers were being reduced alot as well as Vanguard & Demo Shout nerfs

[mild ore]

demo shout isnt gonna hit hard

[brittle owl]

you don't know the context

[ionic fern]

Stuff like Last STand/Demo shout off of AM is not ideal i guess but other than that i diddn't see anything too horrible.

[mild ore]

AM doesn't reduce demo cd and ITF and Booming voice are in the same row

[brittle owl]

i.e you don't know how numbers will look like when the squish happens

[ionic fern]

I did not see a mention of BV being on the same row as ITF.

🤔

[mild ore]

im pretty sure it is

i mean i've read it yesterday

[ionic fern]

🤔

As far as i understood
ITF went to BV place and War Machine went into ITF place.

BV was not mentioned anywhere.

[mild ore]

nvm

[ionic fern]

Anyways - nothing too horrible imo for now. 🤷
Just have to wait for other changes and more specifics in order to provide quality information.

[sick sentinel]

I hope we are bad so that I can still play prot and have my raid team ask why

[brittle owl]

"why are you playing x" said someone that's not raiding top 50

"so i can cringe at those questions"

[inland mesa]

Are other tank classes having some of their mitigation nerfed? With talent changes it sounded like they were all getting new shiny shit. Why are we losing last stand and demo off AM? Just so they force us to pick other talents? >.>

They didn't have to screw with us, we were fine and fun to play D:

[warm plinth]

It's alpha

The sky is not falling.

[left hatch]

lmfao not even

its datamining on the first pass PRE alpha

[warm plinth]

It's datamining, yeah lol

[strong forum]

even during the last playable days of beta VDH looked to be the best tank for when BFA was about to launch

and then it wasnt

[inland mesa]

I just want to be hype, and when other people get new shiny and we get bat in the face it makes me want to do what I'm already doing and social distance and cry listening to linkin park songs ordering my food on click list and having amazon bring me wine

Yeah I remember going into bfa expecting to have a vdh in case warrior was bad haha

[left hatch]

what do you mean we don't get new shiny stuff?

execute and WW being baseline is pretty big

reworking the revenge talent to buff its damage on free procs seems giga powerful on speed clearing low content

[inland mesa]

Is it though? I feel like I rarely used execute when we still had it

[strong forum]

its a completely different game now

[inland mesa]

I mean on farm sure when sitting in rage and dying wasn't an issue

[strong forum]

not to mention i dont recall prot having execute

[inland mesa]

Probably MoP? Was the last time

[strong forum]

your only choice in execute will be between IP or Execute

[left hatch]

and the only real 'hit' to our tankiness as of rn is LS not being impacted by anger management

and thats not a big deal

[strong forum]

like, you will now have 2 rage spenders

[left hatch]

at all

[strong forum]

one for defense, one for offense

looks good to me tbh

[inland mesa]

If we move off AM for the choice. No last stand to fill gaps and less demo uptime would be pretty noticeable in current content

[left hatch]

current content.

something that means absolutely nothing

because these changes arn't for current content

its for however the damage profile/mob density etc is for shadowlands

and 60s last stand is still a very low cd

[strong forum]

and maybe we will be playing indom instead

with the inbuilt heal

[left hatch]

demo's strong suit isn't the DR either, its rage gen and offensive value

[strong forum]

who the fuck knows

[left hatch]

so less uptime isn't the end of hte world

[strong forum]

nothing is set is stone, nothing to cry or hype about except the spells we're 100% getting

[left hatch]

^ they had really fantastic tank balance this xpac

[strong forum]

VDH getting fel dev and demonic is big HYPE

[left hatch]

assuming the worst because of 1 line of datamined potential changes

is silly

[strong forum]

8months before the xpac releases*

[left hatch]

and hell what if a legendary we get reduces the cd of DS by 1/2?

what if we get back legion bracers

[strong forum]

well legion bracers is in indomitable

[left hatch]

way too soon to start worrying about 1 talent change

[inland mesa]

We hope, if you can conjecture it's good for that damage profile it can go the opposite way too. So yes too early to tell but like nome just said I was hoping for that big hype moment reading the notes like other tank classes have

[left hatch]

warrior's big hype was execute and WW

[inland mesa]

.>

[left hatch]

if you don't feel that than idk what to tell you

[strong forum]

we're inherently a great spec, not much to change besides getting hard locked into talents

which theyre playing around with currently

[inland mesa]

They're bringing back legion legendary stuff?

[strong forum]

so you didnt read

[left hatch]

lol

[strong forum]

talent changes

indom will give you HP and heal based on rage spent

which is iirc and i pretty sure am, is legion bracers

[left hatch]

might help to get a fully informed picture of the so far announced changes

before you go on a doom and gloom parade

and besides that talent change they're bringing back legendaries

and have already announced some of the effects will be a return of legion ones

the example given was mage bracers

[inland mesa]

Yes, I thought you meant actual physical let's get screwed by getting the wrong legendary 4 times in a row before you get thr good one

[strong forum]

they will be craftable

[left hatch]

^

and supposedly somewhat targetable or farmable via torghast

so you have more agency in it

and theres also always the potential of letting prot swap to 2-h while offtanking

since a lot of specs are getting weapon options

which brings back the prospect of a glad-stance lite

whichll make raid tanking MUCH more interesting and fun

[inland mesa]

I do miss glad and being able to wq easier XD

Granted TD helps with that currently

[left hatch]

honestly the bigger 'concern' to worry about rn with the announced changes

is that we could lose UC

one of the talents is going to be in its slot and it didn't mention where it was moving too

and unlike BV it doens't have an updated talent line

to ensure its still in

but even that isn't the end of the world, well have plenty of fun toys

and no matter what prot will still be viable to do all content, even if were not the kings of M+ for a 4th season in a row

its ok to not be op for awhile lol

[inland mesa]

UC?

[left hatch]

sorry UF

[inland mesa]

K yeah

I was just sharing I didnt get the same hype as reading the other tank notes and felt we play really well right now so I hope they don't fuck it up

I've participates in many alpha and beta cycles to know it's still early :-P

[left hatch]

meh even if they do fuck it up

theres 5 other tank specs

to migrate to

and its doubtful they'll completely ruin the spec to the point you need to swap

[inland mesa]

But I've been prot since vanilla :(

[left hatch]

if you really love warrior

[sick sentinel]

Tbh it would be very hard for them to mess up any tank to the point it’s unplayable

From where they are at now anyway

[analog swift]

it's pretty interesting that you say that morrison

i was just talking with some people the other day about the whole class vs. spec thing

anybody feel free to jump in, but I rarely want to play a "Warrior"

I often want to play a role

[strong forum]

i always want to play warrior

and ill adapt to whatever the class offers

[left hatch]

oh im the same way

[warm plinth]

I don't have to adapt to @outer dew because he's perfect for me already ❤️

[left hatch]

but some ppl are really dogmatic about their class

and that statement was made to chewy because hes always been a warrior

hence that strong sence of class AND role identity

[outer dew]

@warm plinth the only adaption we're getting is a movie adaption for our love story 🥺

[warm plinth]

😍

[left hatch]

tbh im not even tied down to a role i jsut wanna have fun with my buds lol

[chilly brook]

Prot is going to have execute it already cant be fucked up

[left hatch]

everything else is just a means to that end

[chilly brook]

Ez clap

[strong forum]

ez

you mean

now that clap will be weaker

[chilly brook]

I wonder how whirlwind will end up in the rotation tbh

[outer dew]

Now that clap will hit only 8 targets

[chilly brook]

Since it'll be baseline

[outer dew]

😂

[left hatch]

clap-WW-WW-WW-clap

ez

[strong forum]

prolly TC - WW - WW

ye as filler for TC i reckon

and revenge only when proc is up

[left hatch]

im sure theres a breakpoint of like... 2 targets SS will still have prio or something

[chilly brook]

I'm glad that we'll actually have other filler besides fucking devastate

[left hatch]

mmmm imagine if WW has more base damage than deva

or deva might even be a meta pick for M+ since you now have no empty gcds with WW

[chilly brook]

Tbh I'd like to go back to deva being the move

I personally just like it more

[warm plinth]

I'm fine with devastator if I have something else to press. Empty GCDs feel like shit to me

[left hatch]

^ this

and target capping + no benefit from AM is gonna make BV way less ahead of it on aoe

[chilly brook]

No benefit from AM?

[left hatch]

AM is only going to reduce SW and Ava

as of rn

[chilly brook]

That's kinda dumb

Like actually dumb

I'm also not sure that target cap of 8 for TC is the move tbh

[strong forum]

nobody is

[chilly brook]

Prot pally might actually be the kings of AoE with current changes

[strong forum]

except blizzords "lets prevent MDI pulls"

[chilly brook]

Which is a stupid problem to address

[left hatch]

fun detected

[chilly brook]

That's the whole point of the MDI is to watch people do crazy shit

[left hatch]

well even outside of MDI them wanitng ppl to stop mass pulling

why is that fun

whats the fun value of artifically padding out dungeon timers by restricting pulls because of a target cap

vs.... interrupts/stuns/healer and tank skill

[chilly brook]

Tbh that's the thing that made BFA dungeons worse than Legion to me was them trying to control the way the player played

[strong forum]

to streamline their game to a competetive level instead of letting people play for fun

[warm plinth]

How sad would it be if you log into SL and go to a M+ dungeon and it has a 58 minute timer or some shit 😂

[outer dew]

How sad would it be

[strong forum]

how sad would it be if they made mobs even harder cuz you cant pull as many anyway.

ever think about that

[chilly brook]

Oh no

Plz

Dont

[outer dew]

If managed to get a +23 key undergeared

[left hatch]

every mob is a miniboss

woo

[outer dew]

And your 60 minute timer becomes 6 hours

😂

[chilly brook]

The mobs are already a PITA in BFA tbh

Dont need interation on that

[left hatch]

eh the annoyin gpart in mobs is the need for interrupts really restricts what classes you c an bring together

you can't have a 3 caster group in shrine

[chilly brook]

Honestly go back to Legion M+ design where they didn't really care

[left hatch]

you can make hard/interesting trash without just htrowing in packs that need 3 melee interrupts

[chilly brook]

I mean they cared

But they weren't trying to control you

[left hatch]

imagine letting players naturally adapt and work out unexpected strats for the content you lay out

and not panic nerfing/patching anything that deviates how they think the game should be played

imagine if ... any other dev had that mindset about speedrunning lol

[fleet galleon]

Does anyone have a link to the spell reflect spreadsheet? I couldn’t find it in the pins

[left hatch]

its in guides-resources-faq

[strong forum]

#268491842637660160

[fleet galleon]

Oh thank you

[ivory barn]

Why are we talking about this in prot? When it involves SL? On another note warrior right now is great

[left hatch]

because it also is specifically about prot

[chilly brook]

Tbh if they wanted to prevent MDI type pulls one easy way to do that would be to actually not have us increase tenfold in power from the first raid tier

[left hatch]

eh power creep is always gonna be a thing

cause they need to make gear upgrades impactful

[sick sentinel]

Also did I miss something I thought they weren’t capping Tc targets

Just reduced damage to secondary targets

[chilly brook]

You can have impactful gear upgrades without huge power creep

Gear in general just needs to not be so convoluted tbh

Part of me wonders how good sub would be for m+ if they didn't nerf it because they made a dumb fight in Uldir

Like imagine MDI with pre nerf sub rogue and unholy DK

The pulls you'd see going into bosses would be insane

[nimble mauve]

a fella is sad looking at the changes

that is all

[sick sentinel]

So I'm new to prot, and got a few questions for tanking in m+

Do I just pop my shield blocks on cd?

[nimble mauve]

Shield block should be used whenever you are actively tanking something

[chrome palm]

do you think BoM should be baseline in shadowlands?

it feels pretty essential at this point

and it really works well with the opener

[strong forum]

its not essential

its just strong

[left hatch]

hmmm the talent calculator has been updated

BV is now competing with ItF and UF

[edgy bone]

Hey guys for prot, all we really care about is 3 bastion of might correct?

[chrome palm]

i mean turning avatar into a defensive as well

[left hatch]

Deva now competes with Best served cold and Dragon Rawr

tho Cracklin gThunder and Never Surrender are now on 2 lines so, grain of salt

[nimble mauve]

man this stuff gives me anxiety

[left hatch]

no reason for it to

[nimble mauve]

first time going into a new expac lol

[left hatch]

its a datamine of the first pass

and even if this is how its rolled out it doesn't gut the class at all

[nimble mauve]

yeah, that is true. i guess ive listened to too many horror stories

"bro they broke my class"

[strong forum]

damn, Crackling thunder in 2 rows 😏

[left hatch]

most horror stories are whiny ppl that can't deal with change

[strong forum]

for giga range TC

[left hatch]

they enjoy being FOTM and wanna hold onto being op

[nimble mauve]

tbh i might be playing rogue next expansion

[left hatch]

and arn't able to adapt

[nimble mauve]

idk

[strong forum]

never surrender on 2 rows

god damn

[lean arch]

can anyone explain

[strong forum]

IP boutta be so big

[lean arch]

why TD procs 10x more often on my bdk

[strong forum]

rng

[left hatch]

more haste?

[nimble mauve]

thicc IP who cares about the 12s CD

also does anyone know why it is on a 12s CD in those notes?

seems strange

[strong forum]

cuz Blizzard made it so BDK procs TD more often cuz their dmg doesnt exist otherwise

/s

[lean arch]

like

i do 5 masks without using an orb on bdk

i can't even fucking clear on war

bc zero procs ever

[strong forum]

:doubt:

[nimble mauve]

that is a different issue there

[warm plinth]

Zero procs of what

Oh, TD?

[left hatch]

yah... your ability to clear visions shouldn't be tied to TD

[warm plinth]

You don't need TD to clear visions

Just makes it easier

[left hatch]

you could go in with 0 corruption and clear

[warm plinth]

TD has 12 sec ICD in PvP

[lean arch]

idk how to clear rexxar with 0 td 0 gift procs

[warm plinth]

Slowly

[strong forum]

hero on pull, kill boars

[nimble mauve]

the strat is to kill the dogs

[lean arch]

i was trying

[left hatch]

gift you need to make sure the internal cd is up

[nimble mauve]

and keep them locked

[left hatch]

otherwise you won't proc it

[lean arch]

i was able to kill 1

before getting buttfucked

[warm plinth]

Even on DH, I go in and just DPS slow and kill the pets as they come out

[strong forum]

well then you played wrong

[nimble mauve]

you have like 5 ways to lock them bitches down

gotta rotate it

[warm plinth]

It makes it brain dead

[strong forum]

you know they spawn 1 at a time

[warm plinth]

Yeah the pets are based on his HP

[strong forum]

so, kill them 1 at a time

[left hatch]

i just wait maybe 20s for gift to be back up, kill 1st boar and then zerg him

[lean arch]

i waited for gift

killed a boar and a figment

[strong forum]

i always wait for gift to reset, then pop lust on pull

[lean arch]

no proc

3 other boars all charge me

[warm plinth]

Sometimes Gift is a bitch; that's why I take it slow unless I get a proc

[lean arch]

after fear, they're everywhere

[warm plinth]

Because you don't want to rush it and have a bunch of adds and nothing to protect you

[left hatch]

they spawn based on his health

so you can make them spawn 1 at a time

[warm plinth]

Yep, ez game

[lean arch]

ive never seen them spawn 1 at a time after first

and i didnt get him all that low

[nimble mauve]

stop clapping

[lean arch]

since no procs lul

[strong forum]

stop bursting him, burst his pets

done

i never proc TD on rexxar*

[warm plinth]

Yeah, just go full ST on the pets as they come out

[strong forum]

even with hero and 250% haste

[warm plinth]

And you won't have multiples at the same time

[strong forum]

it do be like that

🤷‍♂️

just kill the boar, get proc off of 1st or 2nd

and spam his ass

done

[warm plinth]

My fave is when gift ICD is ready when I go in

And I proc Gift when Rexxar dies 🙂

[nimble mauve]

dude

[strong forum]

or that

[nimble mauve]

that is the strat

[warm plinth]

It's super awesome

lol

Oh also, I had something funny happen to me today

You know the totems that yeet you back to the start?

[nimble mauve]

dude when you are running back to the little wind thing to go back, no sanity loss

big pog

[warm plinth]

I was in one of the corrupted zones on an alt (can only clear one side area)

And I had scorched feet proc as the totem started to throw me

And I ended up only going like 10 feet 😂

Had to re-click the totem

[nimble mauve]

oh this guy got the yeet

[strong forum]

i got disoriented today whilst flying

thankfully nothing happened

[nimble mauve]

ive noticed some strange things with the scorch feet

[warm plinth]

Perfect time to get disoriented

[edgy bone]

hey guys

[nimble mauve]

like my leap gets canceled

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[strong forum]

yes

[nimble mauve]

grappling hook gets canceled

[strong forum]

yes

thats what it does

[nimble mauve]

how the hell do you spell cancelled

[strong forum]

its GIGA annoying

[warm plinth]

Or worse, when you have bugs and scorched

[edgy bone]

as far as azerite traits go, we just want 3 Bastion of Might and nothing else matters?

[left hatch]

the first like 2 weeks DH's Blade Dance counted as moving into the clones

(:

[nimble mauve]

bro my mage just blinks through that shit

[warm plinth]

And you jump, but move a bit in air and scorched procs

[left hatch]

so you couldn't BD

[warm plinth]

But the bugs don't clear

[strong forum]

1x DC 3x Bom @edgy bone

[left hatch]

the 1DC is the most important part

BoM is just nice to have, not a necesity

[strong forum]

ye

[left hatch]

and 'nothing else matters' is selling other traits a bit short

OP, UF, RP, IV, MS, CH, HoD all matter

they're just not needed

[chilly brook]

@chrome palm avatar even without BoM has defensive value simply in just how much extra rage you generate

And you dont really pop avatar defensively

[left hatch]

not to mention the best defensive in the game is making the enemy ded

[chilly brook]

If theres any prot trait that could be argued to become baseline or a talent it would be DC tbh

I'd like to see it as a talent in its pre nerf capacity

[left hatch]

and it fills the niche of 'more DS uptime' thats open now that AM doesn't reduce its cd

[chilly brook]

Yep

Pre nerf DC felt so good

70% uptime on DS was awesome in Uldir

[left hatch]

and tbh no trait in game

or talent for that matter

is "essential"

because shit is going to scaled around the lack of it if its gone

[chilly brook]

True

[surreal girder]

my favorite part about scorched is on monks, if you whirling dragon punch with scorched feet, it procs and throws you in some random direction.

fuckin ridiculous

[inland silo]

but you could move to proc it on purpose then wdp so you dont go anywhere right

[chilly brook]

Tbh scorched feet is just annoying

I dont think it actually adds anything you have to think about

[surreal girder]

it's hard to tell when it's actually going to go off, so running around to proc it sucks on wdp when it's a time based ability. It's not too bad, it's just annoying to deal with is all

[strong forum]

it procs on movement

[inland silo]

theres a WA that tells you exactly when its going to go off

and you have a pretty good idea of when its going to just by looking at it

[chilly brook]

Imo it's not hard to really know when it's going to go off

[surreal girder]

I've had fire all over and had to run for a solid 5 seconds

or gone through a whole heroic leap without it going off despite starting on fire

gonna have to take a look into that weak aura

[warm plinth]

There's a WA that will tell you when it's about to proc

Oh I didn't read everything

Sorry Yasuri 😂

[native valve]

Anyone know what Haste % I should be aiming for?

[chilly brook]

None

Aka

No cap

No magic number

[warm plinth]

But yeah, WDP apparently reads to scorched feet as if you're going slightly backward, so it will jump you whatever is "backwards" from where you're facing

[chilly brook]

And you would know that if you checked #268491842637660160 😉

[chrome palm]

wait why wouldnt you pop avatar as a defensive?

it provides and insane amount of mastery

that's IP and block increases

[strong forum]

you pop it on CD

done

[chrome palm]

yeah for sure

i meant WRT getting BoM baseline

idk i think it'd be really nice to have

maybe not the enormous mastery values we have now

but at least the IP and some mastery

[chilly brook]

But the point is you use it as often as possible you dont delay

[chrome palm]

did they put IP on a 12 second cooldown?

in shadowlands?

wtf

[shadow wind]

baseline IP is on 12 second cooldown

https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spell=316778/ignore-pain

[chrome palm]

how is that supposed to work?

[shadow wind]

cooldown reduced by 11 seconds if youre prot

[chrome palm]

oh so it works identical to today?

[shadow wind]

pretty much

[left hatch]

they have a number of changes that seem like nerfs but will have no change by the time you hit max level

[chrome palm]

like what

[left hatch]

then you read into it and realize that they're breaking up spells to have tiered bonus' that unlock as you level and by hte time you hit 50 itll perform as it does now

like Blood Boil only has one charge initially and you unlock the other as you level

or Blade dance has a base 15s CD but tier 2 will reduce it to 9s

which is the current one

[chrome palm]

they get rune tap baseline too

[edgy bone]

What is best trinkets for us pushing keys

Vitashard + torment in a jar?

[sweet summit]

vita+rezan

[edgy bone]

Really????

[sweet summit]

hard to say whats the absolute best

depends i guess

[edgy bone]

the sound of vita + rezan

gives me a chubb

[sweet summit]

good

[edgy bone]

I use torment in a jar + dragonscale now

[sweet summit]

im using vita+rezan, and swapping rezan to LSP if i need it

[edgy bone]

LSP?

is that Nzoth trinket

[sweet summit]

yeah

[edgy bone]

nice

[sweet summit]

LPS*

[left hatch]

since everything is so situational there really isn't a BiS

[edgy bone]

Well I want that rezan + vita man

[sick sentinel]

It’s an exclusive club

[left hatch]

if you absolutely need an abrosb to survive 1-shots every min then nzoth trink

if not than rezat+vita+block+scale

[sweet summit]

ill allow it, hawgz

[left hatch]

some combo of that

[sick sentinel]

What about torment in case you want to pull things through the floor and walls in TD

[left hatch]

tormet is an ok choice

but bear in mind that Haste/Crit scales TD

[sick sentinel]

A great choice in the situation I described :^)

[left hatch]

so those trinks will just get better and better as our corruption budget increases

where torment will remain (relatively) static

[steel spire]

vita+scale an overkill? i dont have the nzoth trinket..

[left hatch]

not at all

[sweet summit]

never enough haste

[prisma crane]

we need SL channels by spec now please, because i wanna talk about how awful prot is shaping up to be already

[left hatch]

in fact its preferable to nzoth unless you're around the +20 range

[steel spire]

that's good to hear thanks

[sick sentinel]

I need a 475 rezan

But I prefer corruption from my box

Maybe I’ll get a TF

[sweet summit]

[sick sentinel]

Where is the emote for vita+rezan gang

[sweet summit]

[sick sentinel]

I need the gleaming eye emote

[sweet summit]

[sick sentinel]

+ 👁 =

[sweet summit]

y e s

[sick sentinel]

Excellent

[blazing gale]

I see only this picture when I think of vita rezan

[sweet summit]

uhu gosh

[sick sentinel]

I see only low haste when people make fun of vita rezan

[blazing gale]

475 Rezan from my first 15+ weekly chest was mad about it because I alrdy had vita . turns out it was op for prot 😄

[sick sentinel]

👁️

[sweet summit]

[blazing gale]

would you rather run r3 TD or r2 and some vers/haste procs ?

[sweet summit]

full TD

[left hatch]

sim it

[blazing gale]

obviously td will sim hihger

[left hatch]

not necesarily

my DH sims higher with 1 less TD and some verse %

[blazing gale]

just like 1000 or 1200 haste procs may be more usefull throught whole key

[left hatch]

not really

unless you're above 20 keys you dont need corruption to augment survivability

its impact is minimal

and by the time you get to 23/24's youd be stacking verse corruption

not haste

[blazing gale]

im just tanking some 14's by now trying to learn how to do it properly before I ruin higher keys 😄

[left hatch]

well properly for 15's

is worlds apart from properly for 20_'s

like the strats they do there are to answer specific issues you wont encounter till you get there

[sick sentinel]

20+ is where it becomes a little bit of a fiesta

[left hatch]

so until the 20 range just stack w/e gives you the most dps

[blazing gale]

Allright, so sim for 1 target 3 min , 5 targets 1,5 and 3 targets 1,5 ?and figure out whats best ?

[left hatch]

and turn off lust for the 5 target and 3

and make sure its patchwerk

yeh

[blazing gale]

I will probably have to choose between gushing wound and verse proc on wrist

[left hatch]

hard to say cause GW is very good

but verse becomes better and better the more TD you have

[sick sentinel]

GW

IT

EXISTS?????

[blazing gale]

got it last week form wrathion so pogchamp

[sick sentinel]

ON THE BRACERS

[blazing gale]

yup

[sick sentinel]

S hi dnjdpebeirbeoakpqpqnrbr ao endowments

[sweet summit]

are you ok mate?

[sick sentinel]

No

No I’m not

All I want is some GW

[left hatch]

nu

twisty tendies

little friends > a bleed

[blazing gale]

you talkiing about raid or m+ right now ?

[left hatch]

oh i was memeing

dps per corruptiong GW way better

[tight tangle]

New to prot warrior, and have a generally “silly” question... But what are the top 3-4 “go to” trinkets when tanking m+ versus M Ny’a?

[left hatch]

both are the same

Dragonscale, Vita, Rezan, Butchers Block

[blazing gale]

kill pull shadhar 900k dmg wipe pull 1,2mil dmg on like 40% of his hp another rng effect 😄

[sweet summit]

+ 👁️ =

[limpid pawn]

Nzoth trinket too

[left hatch]

eh

not needed if you're not doing mythic or 20 keys

[limpid pawn]

Noooioooo

It’s god tier everywhere

[sweet summit]

[left hatch]

but you don't take enough damage to make it worth it lol

[limpid pawn]

You are pretty much invincible during it

[left hatch]

its essentially an empty slot

[prisma crane]

that's subjective

you're assuming you always have a baller healer

[limpid pawn]

Yes exactly

Even when you do, people fuck up all the time

[left hatch]

you do'nt need a baller healer in 15's

[prisma crane]

tell that to all the groups who failed 15s last week

[limpid pawn]

Becoming invincible as a warrior during those fuck ups frees the healer to heal the others

[prisma crane]

or any week

[lime wing]

quick question: why use Formless Void instead of SotW?

[left hatch]

its more likely they have gameplay issues then

[sweet summit]

if you have CoF major in group, its a lot of statswith high uptime

[left hatch]

and are blaming healers when they're making tons of mistakes themselves

[prisma crane]

@left hatch and? you're missing the point, not everyone is a great player and that trinket is a strong defensive option

[left hatch]

im not

[limpid pawn]

It’s a divine shield on a 1 minute cool down!

[left hatch]

im saying unless you use it. on cd. and need it

theres more value in other trinkets

[sweet summit]

its not exactly that mate

[prisma crane]

i disagree

[left hatch]

and advocating it as "lul become invuln when you need it"

[prisma crane]

it's great for oh shit moments as well

[left hatch]

means ppl will run it as a reactive oh shit button

which is bad

[sweet summit]

yea its good for what its supposed to do

but you dont need it most of the time

[left hatch]

^ thats my point

prot isn't a reactive tank

[sweet summit]

we stop damage before it comes

[limpid pawn]

You do not have to use it as a reactive though

[left hatch]

and that trinket is much much stronger

if yo'ure using it proactively

[prisma crane]

i'm very aware how to play prot, my point is that setting the threshold at 20+ is disingenuous

[limpid pawn]

It’s like having a second better shield wall

[left hatch]

but saying its a 'god tier trinket'

[sweet summit]

its not strictly better than shield wall

[limpid pawn]

Can use during shield block downtime

[prisma crane]

as far as defensively goes, it sure is

[left hatch]

makes other trinkets that have objectively more value at that range

seem bad

[limpid pawn]

But it is god tier

[left hatch]

its god tier at what it does

but theres better trinkets for 15's

[prisma crane]

which is what he asked?!?!

[left hatch]

full stop

[tight tangle]

While on the topic of trinkets... Any thoughts on Jes Howler?

[prisma crane]

for you*

[sweet summit]

jes is ok

[limpid pawn]

Jes howler literal poop

[sweet summit]

no its not

[left hatch]

disagree

its ok

[limpid pawn]

Lollllw

[prisma crane]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[left hatch]

but its not amazing

[tight tangle]

I appreciate everyone’s feedback by the way!

[remote tusk]

Howler is a decent trinket.

[sweet summit]

started a real argument here xD

[tight tangle]

Yeah, no kidding

It’s like I literally threw fish food into the pond, and things just went nuts.

[limpid pawn]

Howler is once every 2 min, buffs whole party and verse is good

[prisma crane]

some people fail to understand that not everyone is a top level player and believe it or not, 15s can be REALLY hard for people

[left hatch]

its stat budget is pretty low in comparison

[blazing gale]

just like the guy yesterday said dungeon slice is good sim choice 😄

[limpid pawn]

But, I think because it’s long cool down and the fact that you’d rather have haste makes it not great

[left hatch]

^

[sweet summit]

thats why its ok, but not poop

[left hatch]

long cd = low stat budget = mediocre

i get ppl arn't god tier players

[tight tangle]

@prisma crane I understand your thought there. I’m asking for input in 15+. If I’m not doing 15+’s on my toons, I’m not happy.

[left hatch]

but those same ppl are ppl holding it for oh shit buttons

[limpid pawn]

High ilevel haste trinkets probably will give you the most well rounded offense/defense

[left hatch]

which you get more value out of something like rezan. defensively.

than sitting on a cd you only use on oh shit moments

its better to inform people of where its strong

[limpid pawn]

But... the nzoth trinket will save you from some seedy situations/pulls in a way no other trinket can

[left hatch]

and help them either get to a point where they're planning around it

or dont need it

like brollikk plans around using it

its great for him

but if your avg joe doesn't know when to use it, or is popping it once every 10m

hell be better off with say vita

[limpid pawn]

I use it right after going into the fear/spider pillar

[tight tangle]

I definitely see the “oh shit” usefulness of LPS from N’zoth; but isn’t the point of a good prot warrior to be able to cycle IP with Avatar efficiently to avoid needing LPS?

And to kite when appropriate?

[limpid pawn]

Bc my healer usually isn’t on discord and I wanna get aggro early during my carries lolllllw

[sweet summit]

you dont take damage instantly with fear guy, the dangerous part is the stacking "bleed"

[remote tusk]

So the first 2.5 seconds you use the trinket are wasted? 🤔

[left hatch]

the point is to learn dungeons to mitigate/eliminate oh shit buttons

[limpid pawn]

Yes I get aggro in them

[left hatch]

if you wanna use LSP

learn what pulls you use it on (:

[sweet summit]

^

[left hatch]

or at least use it on CD

[tight tangle]

Agreed @left hatch, makes sense

[limpid pawn]

Also, sometimes on hero breaker spirit breaker I use it before it hits if I’m not kiting anymore

Shadow of zuul, it’s amazing for like 2 hits

[sweet summit]

same

[left hatch]

but 2 hits also isn't make or break tbh

[tight tangle]

Is the damage mitigation of LSP increased with any stat? Or just a flat absorption based on iLvl of the trinket?

[left hatch]

verse

[limpid pawn]

But it buys me some recovery time for other cds to come back like spell reflect

[left hatch]

like i said

if you're planning around it, and use it on cd

its god tier

do you need it for your level of content? no

[limpid pawn]

Mother lode 3rd boss also good for the chemical burn when you can’t reflect it

Like on high tyrannical

[blazing gale]

Ok guys, can I send you my sims in like 30 minutes and yo help me decide what should be most optimal for me since im trash as prot right now ?

[limpid pawn]

Same for wasting strike on waycrest manor boss when reflect is down

[left hatch]

but its a really bad option if you just sit on it

you can kite him to reflect every one

[sick sentinel]

^

[left hatch]

you have to double intercept but

[sweet summit]

you should if its that high of a key that you need something to live it

[limpid pawn]

True I’ve seen naowh do that

[left hatch]

yah ig thats what it comes down to

if you NEED it

go for it

if you don't you get more outta a haste trink

[sweet summit]

i agree

[left hatch]

same mentality of lucid major

[limpid pawn]

I don’t have a 475 vita also take that into consideration lol

[remote tusk]

I'd rather use Maut trinket for Zul but every his preference

[sick sentinel]

Use a heroic vita

Literally the same trinket

[sweet summit]

460 vs 475 vita is very close

[limpid pawn]

Maut trinket is too long of a cd

[sweet summit]

like, VERY close

[left hatch]

maut is shit

[sick sentinel]

Use a normal vita

[sweet summit]

maut is poop

[left hatch]

outsie of like

2 situations

[sweet summit]

ilgy and?

[left hatch]

zul

ig 3 with rixxa

[sweet summit]

i guess

[left hatch]

but you also wouldn't run a scuffed trinket the entire dungeon just for 1 miniboss

[sick sentinel]

Shouldn’t need maut trink for ilgynoth

[left hatch]

when you can just kite

[sick sentinel]

At all

[sweet summit]

yeah exactly

[lofty widget]

when you kite zul is it just across the bridge back the way you came?

[left hatch]

yah you jsut run back

and max range his cast

can get sketch if you partial clear the bridge

[blazing gale]

Droptimzer says 475 vita is only 0.2 upgrade

[young oasis]

guys, how is best to organize corruption on N'zoth? to get corrupted and get most out of damage buff?

in last phase

[left hatch]

droptimizer in my experience is kinda funky

it was telling me all az gear at 475 was only like a .1% upgrade on my havoc when i had 460's and 445's

so iv stopped using it in favor of finding the item's id code and manually adding it to simc string

and making top gear thinking i have that shit in bag

(seems like more work than gear compare but it lets you sim out many many more combinations than recreating each set in compare)

are you talking heroic or mythic nzoth?

cause can't help you with mythic

[sick sentinel]

Jes howlers is pretty bad

notorious medallion is far better even at a vast ilvl drop

Lasts longer, more stats than jes when 5 manning content

A 455 gives me 200 more vers than a 465 jes howlers for 8 more seconds and thats baseline

[blazing gale]

waaait is glimpse of clarity a thing for prot?

[left hatch]

is that the "next spell reduced cd" or the "cds come back faster for a bit" one

i mix the 2 up

[blazing gale]

next spell reduced by 3s

[left hatch]

no

its not

[blazing gale]

I will send sims beecause it sims hgihest

[left hatch]

id ignore that because its likely using it all on SS or TC

and realistically you're gonna accidentally mash something else

[blazing gale]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3r4AU2Hgv63kuCbgHL2Pu7
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ooCCxsnfed4oLvZEPZqwwx
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gHwzEfyAa3GzxwuiUSJBQP

[left hatch]

not realizing you have a proc

[blazing gale]

yea probably taht

[left hatch]

with that many options (particularly diff az pieces and essences being simmed) its hard to make a comparison

usually i find where the top simming aoe set is in the other 2 sims and compare how much of a loss it is

and vice versa

and be like 'oh this is a 5% increase in aoe at the expense of only... .4% st thats 100% worth it (:'

but the essences are muddling the list so i can't find it for you haha

[lime wing]

idk if I got an anwser earlier, if so, sorry, but, why use Formless Void instead of SotW?

(using VoP major, with survivability in mind)

[left hatch]

SoTW has pretty negligible value, yo'ure basically using it as a resistance essence because its better than nothing

Formless void IF you can get high uptime on it is very strong

gives you a bunch of mainstat (translates into armor and bigger IP) as well as haste

[mortal brook]

formless is the superior choice if you can get uptime, because mainstat and haste are solid and warden often just overheals. if there's no cof users and a bunch of vop users, then yeah use warden cuz you wont see formless uptime

[left hatch]

which flat stats are much much stronger than an inconsistent and rather small heal that you have 0 control over

[lime wing]

(using VoP major, with survivability in mind)
@lime wing so, with that in mind, what essences to use? I am currently running VoP, Lucid, Null and Aegis (as I don't need corruption resistance)

[left hatch]

VoP, CnS, Lucid, Sphere

Aegis and Null can be strong, but are situational and kinda niche

Aegis you have to play around by mass pulling and staying in combat with 6+ targets

[lime wing]

I still have CnS rank 2, still worth it?

same with sphere

[left hatch]

Null doesn't really shine outside raid till you get to high content because the dps component doesn't scale well into aoe and you don't consume it regularly, and the shield isn't going to save you

Sphere r1 is enough

and over aegis and null id use CnS r2 over them as well

[lime wing]

k, I will work on getting those to rank 3

[left hatch]

no need to worry abotu sphere

only change to r3 is you get speed

[warm plinth]

You gain virtually nothing from Sphere by ranking it up

though on the upside, you'll unlock BotE for alts if you do rank it up lol

[left hatch]

BiS fury essence

[lime wing]

if I happen to need corruption resistance which one should I replace? sphere?

[left hatch]

yeh sphere

[lime wing]

kk, thanks

great advice, as always

[mild ore]

is r2 warden good or should i pick something else till i get r3

[left hatch]

its fine if you need the resistance

warden is just the next best thing to an empty slot

so any rank works

[mortal brook]

r3 is pretty unnoticable until like, a 5k overkill

[lime wing]

I need 3 battlefiend furor to get CnS rank 3, if I get to 1400 this week I well get 3 by this reset or next one?

[left hatch]

the item comes from the weekly cache

so you'll get it on tues

[lime wing]

kk

[wheat ore]

quick one boys, Twisted Appendages rank 2 or Racing Pulse Rank 2? both 35 corruption

[haughty depot]

hey guys. does any1 of you have some knowledge to spare and help me with finding a tank add on that shows ppls dps CD in dungeons and cc CD like big aoe stun etc.

[chrome palm]

should i use the one with Mastery? It sims 0.3% lower DPS on 3 boss patchwerk (no lust)

@haughty depot that's zentracker

[sweet summit]

servant splitter is very good

[chrome palm]

oh really?

[sweet summit]

ilvl is important for weapon

[warm plinth]

https://wago.io/Bk-w0OR3Q Here's the WA that shows them (icons next to party frames)
https://wago.io/r14U746B7 is required for the first one to work.
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/libgroupinspect Here's the addon needed to make the second WA work

[chrome palm]

even without secondaries?

[sweet summit]

yeah

[chrome palm]

@sweet summit they have same ilvl

[warm plinth]

@haughty depot

[haughty depot]

yes?

[warm plinth]

See my previous message

[sweet summit]

still

id use servant

[chrome palm]

ok ty

[haughty depot]

ty for help

[chrome palm]

also the weakaura for adding spell reflect to details is hilarious

on shrine of the storm im owning

[haughty depot]

it keeps sayin not found O.o

[warm plinth]

What's not found

[haughty depot]

WA

my chat just says its not found

[elder grotto]

new warrior

[warm plinth]

Did you install the addon and the other WA?

[elder grotto]

lol oops....im a new warrior tank and i need some help if anyone has a little bit

[sullen valve]

@warm plinth warrior will support wowA from the start of shadowlands :pog:

[warm plinth]

Did you get Alpha my friend?

[sullen valve]

HELL NO

[warm plinth]

😢

[sullen valve]

But I'mma get beta or else

[warm plinth]

I didn't either; I take too many extended breaks 😂

Plus I don't ever participate in the betas that I'm invited to, so I'm not exactly a worthwhile addition to the alpha servers 😂

[haughty depot]

ok ive set up the def cd interrups and exernals

how do i get the offensive cd icons for dps

[warm plinth]

Should be able to enable them in the custom options of the nnogga's WA

The spell registration part

[haughty depot]

im so new to this i cant find what you talking about

[warm plinth]

If you click on the Nnogga's WA group, there should be a tab on the top of the right side of the window that says Custom Options

In there if you click the arrow to expand the section, there should be a Spell Registration section

And in there are checkboxes for different spells. Just check the ones you want included

[astral crystal]

when's prot alpha channel

[hidden plaza]

Not sure there is a answer other than more TD but what else corruption is good for m+ 16-20 range

[haughty depot]

ty

[left hatch]

GW, TA, EV all decent options

[vast osprey]

is the haste or nature damage bit band better?

[last gazelle]

Haste? Nature dmg is just dmg. Haste helps with all

[sweet summit]

nature damage is good for ST

haste is better on anything else iirc

[vast osprey]

makes sense

ty

[limpid pawn]

/r k

[hoary viper]

Hello boys

any one got that WA that shouts "reflecting" when using spell reflect?

[sweet summit]

https://wago.io/bbkvIO71A

[limpid pawn]

470 with sockets > 475?

[sweet summit]

depends on slot

[limpid pawn]

belt/pant slol

[warm plinth]

Why is there even a WA for that? You can literally just make a macro that yells when you press the button 🤔

[limpid pawn]

asking b/c blacksmithing

[hoary viper]

slot is always worht more than 5 ilvls no?

[sweet summit]

not always

[sick sentinel]

Its worth usually ilvls and on rings like 25

[hoary viper]

when is it not the case

[sweet summit]

shield

weapon

[hoary viper]

yeah but disregarding those two

for armor

[sweet summit]

idk if its worth it on pants, pants are pretty big compared to the rest

[hoary viper]

i just feel like 50 of your best stat is worth a lot, on some classes stat weights are mega skewed