My point was that he should use VOP. Let's not read too far into it π
#protection
warm plinth
sweet summit
π
warm plinth
π
sweet summit
@sick sentinel π π
cinder fjord
Is it always better to use a higher ilevel shield even if it has worse secondaries? I have a 460 one with better secondaries and a socket but just obtained a 465 without either.
sweet summit
ilvl is ALWAYS the play with shields
round vortex
@cinder fjord Yup. Itβs our only source of block rating is the reason π
sweet summit
block value is WAY higher prio than "better stats"
fading relic
quick sanity check but 470 psychic shell is far better than 475 mchimbas right? i have a 475 mchimbas that i got from cache.
i imagine it is but figured i should double check
left hatch
yes, but unless you're doing above 20's you don't need psychic shell
polar raft
Glimpse of clarity worth anything?
left hatch
nope
lofty widget
depending on your other corruptions i would take number 2 or 3 in the first pic and number 3 in the second
graceful cobalt
i have 12% Mastery from all sources 12% Versa from all sources and furions sword with the 30 stack than 5% damage from my life
sweet steeple
Hey guys, returning to WoW after taking a break. I mained a blood dk for most of BFA and want to switch it up to prot tanking. Is prot tanking relatively fun?
lofty widget
the mastery increase is pretty underwhelming so maybe switch it for the haste increase if it's on wrists
graceful cobalt
Mastery increase is on 475 Hands
last mason
whats better in m+, 2x brace, or 1 brace 1 fortress
warm plinth
Fun is subjective but I personally think itβs one of the more fun tanks, tied with prot pally probably
sweet summit
ilvl>haste>crit for m+
you can start looking into vers stacking once you get to the 23-24 key range
sweet summit
we get big mastery from BoM, so its value isnt that high
restive mantle
so should i respec my azerite gear
sweet summit
250% mastery dream, dont have to press SB anymore
restive mantle
im running the mastery talent
sweet summit
mastery talent?
mortal brook
tradewinds?
sweet summit
you want to keep Bastion of Might if thats what youre refering to
mortal brook
bom is solid yes
mortal brook
but dont go out of your way or drop ilvl for geared mastery
chilly brook
@sick sentinel π
trim jungle
If I've got r2 of twilight dev and echoing void, is it worth taking indomitable?
mortal brook
you would not go out of your way to take indom because of health based corruption
trim jungle
So pretty much there's hardly a situation where we take that talent then
mortal brook
bolster is wayyyy too heckin good
chilly brook
π
heavy parcel
hey guys, im focusing in my prot warrior for the rest of bfa and shadow. i really dont like changing spec to much i really wanna know if i can do all content like visions and stuff with prot spec? despite pvp..
sick sentinel
Yes
Prot warrior is very high damage for a tank spec, so you can easily do content
idle zephyr
best wep enchant for doing high key?
left hatch
force mult
verse ench might be better once you're in the 23+ range and are running the verse meme build but thats a question for @sick sentinel
idle zephyr
thx
exotic spoke
^^
onyx vessel
I like when ppl whisper me hey your so good and you do so much dmg
I guess groups im joinning havent seen a prot warrior that does dmg
π€
neat rapids
I'm over some dds in my pug groups as a GS435 tank lol
You just smash a lot with shields and thunder claps
rigid stream
would you guys ever run lucid major?
sick sentinel
A lot of people run it in 21-22+ keystones for survivability, otherwise, no
onyx vessel
Lucid minor is solid
rigid stream
In what you guys would call low keys
I run VOP but someone is saying I should run lucid over it.. I donβt see it being beneficial at the level Iβm at
onyx vessel
For them 15 id guess
left hatch
see the 2nd pin
low keys (in terms to using lucid) is anything lower than like... a 20
sick sentinel
even using lucid in a 20 is kinda dumb
sick sentinel
not eve a 22
rigid stream
Iβve looked at that. And I even said itβs for what you guys call low keys. Was making sure there wasnβt something special about this weeks affixes or something that would lead to it
sick sentinel
like 23ish
it starts to hurt
and some pulls are monka depending on the week
even then
you have other things you can do
and don't actually
"Need" it
left hatch
tldr if you're not breaking into the 20 range you can run VoP major 100% of the time (outside raid and workshop where you can run CoF), haste/crit trinkets and use dps corruptions
and not worry about it whatsoever
sick sentinel
Using lucid major is largely dependent on coordinating with your group around it, and if you arenβt going to execute that well you shouldnβt use it
stark scroll
There's a really good pin by Mwahi explaining the majors
restive mantle
Mchimba's + Sigil of Warding? or is that just dumb
right now im using humming and sigil of warding
just got a 465 Mchimba's with socket though
left hatch
dragonscale, rezan, vita, butchers block
restive mantle
but its hurting
left hatch
are bis till you break into 20's
onyx vessel
Healer issue
left hatch
and not somethign running bad absorb trinkets will fix
onyx vessel
I run nzoths and urchin
left hatch
unless you absolutely need the absorb to live, something like vita gives you better damage smoothing overall
onyx vessel
π
left hatch
big yikes
onyx vessel
Mind you healer was big shit
Everyone died exept me
Like 50%
Of the time
Trio wm 7 i ended up duoing it
With the healer
π€
Most of the dps were 450ish
Died to none fort trio
So ask me why i dont not use tank trinkets
left hatch
i mean unless you NEED an absorb to live burst
you get more tankyness outta vita
full stop
onyx vessel
Prob true
left hatch
just doesn't feel like it cause all our tankyness is hidden from hps meters
onyx vessel
Love when my roommate is like vers build means ill be as tanky as a warrior on bdk
π€
onyx vessel
Prot warrior is thiccc
left hatch
yah but prot warrior can also do the same thing
onyx vessel
Yup
left hatch
and just put yourself that much further ahead of a bdk
left hatch
only thing bdk has over prot is mass grip
left hatch
or a lot of casters will just start shooting/casting other group members
need erryone to los
but ppl are 4head
onyx vessel
Ez mode
Instead of priest
π
Just run 5 monks on sang
Easy
Or 5 bdks
Dont need a healer
sick sentinel
Lucid gains more value with better gear
sick sentinel
Does anybody know if TD / IS damage is increased with the healer buff on shrine π€
warm plinth
It should be? It's not whitelisted it doesn't look like
sick sentinel
I predict
grand drum
Shouldnt TD be decreased as it goes off max hp?
left hatch
maybe, depends if a fully verse stacked bdk can survive shit
left hatch
cause they still have the issue of being 1-shot
warm plinth
And then IS should be increased
sick sentinel
Because the best thing about BDK that their TD is actually massive. Vers increases their self healing and bdk self healing is one of the best and it also provides DR for them
sick sentinel
I guess
brittle owl
it's not even a contest
left hatch
^ that and higher keys they'll have to drop TD for verse
if they want to live
so it cuts out TD comparison entirely
brittle owl
eh you'll still run 1-2 td's i feel
left hatch
right, but vdh will have a litlte more wiggle room
brittle owl
also vdh has way higher self heal, again, not even a contest
brittle owl
i personally feel that the highest keys this season will be done by full groups stacking vers
so tank might just not matter as much
sharp night
dunno if fistweaver would do enough damage though lol
sharp night
4 mw can already chain it forever i think
brittle owl
new meta bois
pull entire dungeon, chain heal
damage doesnt matter when you're 110% efficient
sharp night
well
it costs 25% of mana pool
not sure how much mana regen in combat but i imagine oom after a bit lol
carmine cipher
what dungeons u guys reckon i should be spamming for trinkets? running 460 dragonscale and 445 Rezans Gleaming Eye atm
alpine shard
Atal and WCM. Only two dungeon trinkets worth anything.
exotic rapids
Morning. Any tipps on how to best reflect the cyclon strike on the 1st boss in TOS?
limpid pawn
Does reflecting the cyclone actually hurt the boss?
Or does it just prevent damage to you
alpine shard
I think it reflects all 5 cyclones, but only 1 returns damage to the boss.
brittle owl
deflects 4, reflects 1*
exotic rapids
My question was more like if I have to postiion myself specially and If I try to reflect all of them or just one?
So I just cuddle the boss when he casts, hit spellreflect and reflect all?
brittle owl
only when he is not casting on you
you never could reflect the nadoes cast on you, only on other people
exotic rapids
hm ok thank you. But why is that? Why can I only reflect the cast if it is not targeted @myself?
exotic rapids
hm understood thanks
broken vessel
Hi all, I've played Prot warrior tank on private WOTLK servers for quite some time, then stopped playing for years and very recently made the jump to retail (since the 100% xp boost) with friends (they're not new to retail wow). Last week was my first experience with some endgame content, including some mythic+ dungeons. I've noticed I have some issues keeping threat on packs of mobs. We have a ret paladin in our group and whenever there's multiple mobs, he tends to take aggro away from me for some mobs and it's nigh on impossible to get it back at times. According to the FAQ, warrior tanks have great damage output and some good AoE abilities so keeping threat shouldn't be an issue, I definitely make mistakes. I just don't know where these mistakes lie, so any help is more than welcome.
Note: Aside from needing to get used to retail-warrior, obviously I also need to familiarise myself with the dungeons, mechanics, priority targets etc. This will probably take some time but I think this will also improve threat issues once it's done
sweet summit
if you are undergeared compared to the dps players its hard to keep threat
broken vessel
Note: in our runs, he was also the one initiating most fights, cause he knew where to go. I think if I would go in first, keeping threat wouldn't be an issue I suppose?
And yeah I'm the one with the lowest ilvl for sure
sweet summit
avatar+charge>clap>demo shout>clap
broken vessel
Should I tell him to wait for me to initiate like that, and then start dps'ing?
To give an idea.. this is my gear
This is his
sweet summit
you should be the one initiating pulls, he can mark the pack/tell you to pull what thats fine
with avatar you shuld be able to keep aggro vs him, you're not that far behind
broken vessel
Alright, I'll tell him next time we do some runs. Thanks for the help! I've also been looking into guides to figure out the priority list/rotation etc, I don't think I do too bad but that it's mostly just me not knowing what to attack first
sweet summit
TC on CD
SS on CD
avatar on CD
demo shout on CD
keep up SB
spend rage on IP as long as you have enough rage to SB
brittle owl
you don't care that much which mob you attack, since the bulk of your threat/damage in aoe is TC
the biggest thing you need to accustom yourself to if you've just jumped in retail
is always be casting
idr very well, but i am pretty sure, even in wrath, apm was on the lower side
broken vessel
Oh I definitely think it was yeah. Things feel more hectic and reactive now, too
Way more things to keep into account and just the general difficulty being upped too compared to heroic dungeons back then
brittle owl
losing globals is a surefire way to not only be bad at keeping aggro, but you'll lose survivability as well
yeah, wrath heroics were a meme
with the exception of like, the icecrown ones
i'd start off by simming myself with raidbots, then whacking a target dummy until i got the rotation down
it's what i did in legion after coming back to the game after a 7 year break and having a similar shock to yours
broken vessel
Simming with raidbots?
brittle owl
do a quicksim on your character with no raidbuffs
and then whack a dummy until you're within 10-15% of your sim dps
that's the quickest way to understand "how things should be"
from there it's a matter of practice until you're comfortable applying it in real scenarios
broken vessel
Ok so I did a quicksim and it gave me this: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sm5yWUe3JkQcDtk5i8PEiv
but I'm not sure how to interpret this information π€
brittle owl
very easily
you should be able to do ~15k dps in ST over a 5 min fight
if you play correctly
you have raidbuffs on though
so you;ll probably wanna subtract around 2-3k dps from that
broken vessel
Ah, yeah I didn't immediately see an option to turn that off, I definitely looked over it tho
But I see
So I could in theory replicate this on a target dummy
And if all plays out well, I should hit that dps
- the raid buffs
brittle owl
pretty much
if you see a big discrepancy, look over the guides and double check if you're prioritizing the wrong abilities or are just missing casts/globals
brittle owl
unless you have enough of those to build a vers set, no
also the fact that the piece itself doesnt have vers on it is bad as well
brittle owl
that's pretty much a worthless use of the corruption tbh
keep it though
just bank it until you have enough pieces to actually make a heavy vers set
quaint yoke
how much would that be?
brittle owl
if you can run around with perma bark, i'd say it's worth
quaint yoke
bark?
i think even if every piece had vers i wouldn't get to that point before taking into account things like strife
brittle owl
you can reach permanent 20% DR with current secondary levels and the right corruption, yes
with everything proccing you can even get to 50% for significant stretches of time
quaint yoke
with vers trinkets or?
quaint yoke
i don't see how i can get more than 2k vers on gear alone before corruptions/procs
though, idk what a full set of 475 would be like
brittle owl
@sick sentinel has a ver set, search for his pics, he uploaded some
you can get to around 4-5k in a single choice secondary
(with everything included)
quaint yoke
is haste just a second priority at that point? i'd expect it's not that high
quaint yoke
well, thing is in that case, the corruptions will each be worth less
brittle owl
that's a usecase well beyond what i intend to do this expac
quaint yoke
so it's kinda weird right?
also i think dmg output-wise, the more vers we have the less it's worth for dps
brittle owl
obviously
this is only a thing you'd do for very high keys
think 23 and upward
there's no point in doing this outside of that, or memes
wheat ore
Hi people, I'm pretty new to playing prot warrior and will absolutely be doing a load of things wrong. I know it will be hard to point out any specifics, but does anything glaringly obvious stand out from the damage breakdown of a 16 Workshop I completed last night:
sweet summit
link a log man
ionic fern
With Revenge damage being so low..did you overcap rage a ton or did you atleast use IP to prevent it`?
wheat ore
For the moment I am only using revenge with a proc, and am spending a lot on IP
quaint yoke
I was going to say use shield reflect
Then remembered not everyone adds shield reflect to details
wheat ore
Yeah I need to grab the weak aura to add that to details actually
turbid iron
Don't use the Mecha wrists unless you have nothing else either
wheat ore
Yeah them wrists suck but they are the best I have by about 50ilvl at the moment
ionic fern
It's hard to say what you are doing wrong with just a picture of your damage details.
PReferably logs would be ideal.
ARe you struggling with something in specific?
wheat ore
I think I am probably rage capping a lot more than I realised actually
That was all I was after for the timebeing
wheat ore
Haha, I think it's just a case of balancing defensive and aggresive play
turbid iron
Spamming IP more than you should is preferable to not spending at all
quaint yoke
yeah, procs anger management
old cypress
After getting some vers amps, is it worth stacking vers for m+?
and would that be vers/haste or something else?
solemn citrus
Anyone knowing something of WeakAuras?
brittle owl
solemn citrus
Ugh mb ^^
idle zephyr
can anyone give me some better advice than "git gud" why i struggle defensively in waycrest, i tank all other dungeons just fine π’
strong forum
Waycrest has alot of dangerous magic dmg in the left wing
alpine shard
Where do you struggle? Bosses, trash in general or specifik trash packs?
strong forum
And in general is a very magic heavy dungeon
idle zephyr
mostly the trash around the witches and courtyard
strong forum
Ye thats just how it is, the trash has alot of magic cleaves / abilities, need CDs to survive that shit
graceful cobalt
Wich Race is on Ally best chois
strong forum
Dwarf
strong forum
The racial can get rid of so many debuffs it's insane
pale talon
@idle zephyr in my humble case, i build more defensive step up for tanking waycrest, i usaly use double dps trinkets, but for that dung i use the kr trinket for a nice flat shield to tank those magic hits, and it feels super smoove the dmg
glass hearth
is Filthy transfuion any good
glass hearth
would u take it over iron fortress
brittle owl
nop
glass hearth
what about double iron fortress?
mortal brook
content; more ST, brace. more multi, IF
oblique garnet
@strong forum Is this good amount of vers for high keys 
undone sun
too much
strong forum
Bro you pumping
keen sparrow
Hi, I was wondering if someone could help with an essence question?
I'm currently trying to get conflict and strife as I've seen it's very good, but is T2 worth using over a T3 essence? Or should I just wait til I get T3 before using as minor?
strong forum
I'm in the 3% vers boat so I can defo beat you, clearly
T3 increases cns value by 60%
So you should get it ASAP
calm cove
keen sparrow
Thanks Nomeratur
mortal brook
198% vers or bust
rigid stream
Itβs like what 5 weeks from like 1400 rating for conflict and strife?
strong forum
Ye
rigid stream
Warden in place till c/s r3?
mortal brook
warden is used for a different reason; the corruption resist
shouldnt be same slot consideration
rigid stream
Hmm. Iβll look at what I got when I get home. Time to spend some gold get carried to 1600
oblique garnet
@strong forum Just play with all the haste amps and play with 95% baseline haste 
spark hamlet
Does neck level have any effect on VoP?
warm plinth
Up to 84, it causes the minorβs CDR to increase and the haste/vers procs to go up. Past that I donβt think it scales anymore? Not 100% on that. I know the CDR caps there though.
spark hamlet
Ok im at 82 atm and was wondering if there is like a magic number to shoot for
warm plinth
Thereβs not a requirement, no.
spark hamlet
now to finish working out my essences as i dont have strife
mortal brook
Wtf teddy
spark hamlet
i hate pvp so never got past rank 1
sick sentinel
It took me half a raid tier to swallow my pride and get CnS dint feel bad brother lol
spark hamlet
I need to suck it up and do it but everything ive read doesnt place it very high for tanking and for raiding im a boomy so this is my M+ and toon i just love to play
chilly brook
@spark hamlet tbh just go guardian and find a competent healer and dps
Ez 1400
Then once you have rank 2 you can just do the invasions to conquest cap
keen sparrow
So you don't need to arena each week in order to get the T3? Just hit conquest cap?
spark hamlet
Correct after rank 2
keen sparrow
but still worth getting as high a rank as possible in order to get more of the currency stuff?
spark hamlet
dont know i hate pvp have since classic wow
spring moon
What should I do as a prot warrior struggling to get/hold threat
spark hamlet
are you running with higher geared ppl then you?
chilly brook
Iirc you have to get to 2k in order for there to actually be a change in the time it take to get it @keen sparrow
brisk ferry
at 2k it's 3 weeks, 1600 it's 5 weeks
and Inma the only time you should have threat issues is on pull big pumpers that also proc TD
otherwise just TC harder
spark hamlet
i hate TD procs damn dh get to proc it more then me.
keen sparrow
Ta for the info
spark hamlet
and would i replace warden or AoD with strife
spring moon
how would I play aggressively to gain threat while also staying alive on the pull?
last mason
In what scenarios for m+ is aegis better than suppression minors
Would suppression be better for puggging
brittle owl
@brisk ferry it's 2 weeks at 2.1k, 3 at 1.6k, 5 at 1.4k and 15 sub that
if you're talking C&S
brisk ferry
I was yeah, sorry my bad been a long time since I did that grind
brittle owl
you get 1-3-5-8 thingies per week
1.8k you get 7 afaik, but thats still 3 weeks
so no real gain there
brittle owl
it's fairly easy to get to 1.6k
Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
9/10 times people hate pvp because they put 0 thought into it or haven't tried 1 bit
once you start stomping the kids it gets addicting
chilly brook
keen sparrow
Yeah I was surprised at how fun it was. I'm not going to pretend that it doesn't get demoralizing in a loss chain though
brittle owl
chain losing is just a sign that you need to git gud and think a bit more than just popping cds and training 1 target
but that gets you to 1.6k fairly easily
need to start thinking way past that
chilly brook
Either that or it's a sign that your team is booboo
But being a bear in pvp its pretty much down to your team anyways
You just do a ton of passive damage and laugh
proud ember
So I have a mindset question to ask. For this tier I joined a new guild after my old one collapsed as a tank full time for the first time ever I think. While I occasionally tanked some prog bosses for my old guild (M Orgozoa) i got used to a certain standard of using externals. Basically My own defensives come first then I call for externals. This guild and my co tank who was with them longer have a weird way about going about them. Like I can see cocoons and wings going off randomly on me, him or people i guess for padding (I can understand wings i gues) instead of being there on call. Last night on reclear of Vexiona M during last phase i was the last tank standing on my DK and my co-tank just went "call for sac dude" while i had all my CDs ready and damage was more than managable so far his argument was that it would take off the strain off healers and I cant just argue that anymore. Kinda looking for healthy input regarding adjustment of my mindset
proud ember
Yeah and i said that, like
dude i can icebound the next breath or whatever
"Thats not enough" i get told
smh
blazing gale
change guild
chilly brook
Unless the healers are just trying to parse
proud ember
Yeah I had times when calling cocoon and its on cooldown, neither of the tanks got it
sometimesi get it uncalled for
while dipping low with no damage incoming afterwards
really ruffles my feathers
chilly brook
That being said, if they're parsing just bring less healers
blazing gale
well If u cant talk to them. leave them you are the tank so they should listen to you
spark hamlet
wait in pugs you are running Suppression over AoD i went with AoD for the extra Vers for each mob i pull
proud ember
I tried but then I got like passive aggresive shit from them
whenver i died was like "why didnt you call for external then!?"
chilly brook
Tbh from my experience this xpac a lot of guilds are shitty to tanks
proud ember
Yeah because the encounters are not really that easy
to tank
i mean they arent exceptionally hard
but stuff like raden last phase has me puzzled, i am literally defensless for the second decaying
chilly brook
@blazing gale I've had a whole lot of bad experiences this expansion with raids being willing to listen
proud ember
And get treated like shit because my monk co tank can just survive it because lol stagger
I guess I am just venting my frustration
chilly brook
You're fine man
brittle owl
monk gets deletus if they get it at high hp as well
chilly brook
It's the reason I'm not trying to get back into mythic raiding tbh
blazing gale
I play fury on raids but every guild i've been in tank is the shotcaller on raid
brittle owl
the last phade it's either you and cotank plan for eating them at high hp with cooldowns
or yell at healers
literally just that
bfa tanking has been pretty braindead for the most part
proud ember
We miracously killed it
brittle owl
Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
chilly brook
Then again last guild I was in doing mythic I kinda got jebaited
proud ember
But tbh even on low hp i susually just get it and if i dont pop sw/sr asap
I just die
brittle owl
your cotank should insta taunt so you dont eat a melee
after that there is literally no other damage
proud ember
nah its usually the first tick just wiping me off the face of the planet lol
brittle owl
our raden kill is me and my cotank yelling "STOP HEALING ME - HEAL ME - STOP HEALING ME - OK GOODBYE NOE"
it literally starts with me explaining how on the orevious pull i died
then on the second debuff i die in the same manner
π
brittle owl
there is no damage in the last phsde
aside from tank damage
oh yeah, there's that debuff that kills people when you top them off
pEoPlE ArE DyInG
vocal skiff
In a low pug, would you try to drag the first obelisk in waycrest to the courtyard or witches, or just kill in the spot? Assuming it's bottom right or worse, top right
proud ember
Alternatively just do pig first yolo
brittle owl
lusting piggo is bad doe
proud ember
dis true
brittle owl
you wanna lust witches and lord and lady
sweet summit
den witches are dying fast
just reflect 4head
brittle owl
ye but they pump even with roflect
sick sentinel
My favorite is that on that boss dps seem to always forget where their Interrupt button is
proud ember
Whats an interrupt? kekw
brittle owl
insta reminder
proud ember
or just be a prot pally
sick sentinel
Also elys are you being yelled at by your healers on ra den specifically
formal meadow
whats a good corruption treshold to have=
viscid radish
idc about all those +23 keys
proud ember
Nah, not really yelled but getting plenty of shade because I die more than a monk.
Also decaying at 40% hp fucking hurts
spark hamlet
TFB spell reflect and stun ftw
raven gazelle
is ineffable truth an ok corruption for prot?
sweet summit
its alright
sick sentinel
@proud ember it is as much on healers in that phase as tanks. So donβt let them bully you tbh. They need to be aware of the damage coming out as well. Your sole job is to take it at as low hp as possible. Surviving is a combination of healers and tanks being in sync
sweet summit
very good in niche situatiuons
last mason
In what scenarios for m+ is aegis better than suppression minors
mortal brook
stat for stat, it'd be what, 4 targets to match? and then aegis is double when you below 35% health \o/
sick sentinel
In other words, itβs better when youβre consistently fighting 5+ targets
Key word consistently
In general you want the most stats with the highest uptime
chilly brook
Unless you're playing with a consistent stack Aegis probably won't be the play
Just because that way you can pull around them and make larger pulls
vestal edge
is bod diamond trink still good? i got 420 one from mog run the other day
i also have 430 urchin and 460 sigil
warm plinth
It's good, but it's going to be outclassed/unneeded depending on your other options/what level stuff you do
crisp plinth
What mythic+ trinkets should I be targeting?
viscid radish
crisp plinth
Aye
viscid radish
Good or bad?
chilly brook
@viscid radish good if it's an ilvl upgrade bad otherwise
viscid radish
So the equip effect is bad?
chilly brook
Yes
viscid radish
Would you rather have an extra stat?
chilly brook
Yes
viscid radish
I already have 460 shield
chilly brook
If its 460 go with the new one
viscid radish
ait
harsh parrot
Hey guys what is the best current race for Prot warriors ?
chilly brook
The one you want to play....
crisp plinth
I have found that nose for trouble on my Vulpera does a lot of mitigation over the course of a dungeon but really just go with what you want.
harsh parrot
Alliance
chilly brook
You're talking a very small difference in the long run tbh
harsh parrot
So ther isnt a difference if i take the Dark iron dwarf which reduces the physical damage taken
yep
chilly brook
Theres a difference
Not one that will make or break your ability to do content
Or that will put you behind
harsh parrot
I presumed its just a matter of choice but it wont make a significant difference
Alright then thanks )
daring marlin
stark ruin
daring bay
@harsh parrot Tauron
Or padan becuse they look awsome
Or orcs bow that they can stand upright
Pandas*
chilly brook
Pandas are best
naive panther
Bent over orc looks better than upright.
sweet summit
kinky
sick sentinel
Donβt all characters look better bent over
onyx vessel
π€
formal meadow
Bloodsport or heart of darkness with bastion of might?
mortal brook
HoD
formal meadow
always HoD?
left hatch
1xDC, 3xBoM, fill in the last 2 with HoD, MS, or CH
lime wing
what 3 minor essences are you guys using? I couldn't find it in Icy Veins
sweet summit
CnS/Lucid/sphere/aegis/void (if a healer is running CoF major) / Warden (if healer isnt running CoF major)
pick 3, but not both resistance ones
meager comet
Is atal dazar the best m+ key to grind out if I'm farming gear for prot?
halcyon perch
Hey guys, what essences should i be looking for tanking in nya?
amber marten
hello everyone just wondering is the BIS stats now Haste/versa for m+ because i see top players getting it?
left hatch
CoF Major, Formless Void (if you need resistance) VoP minor, Null, CnS
and unless you're pushing into +20 keys no the prio for M+ is still Haste/crit
read 2nd pin on why "i see top players doing it" doesn't always mean its meta
amber marten
pushing into 20s right now so haste/versa is the way to go?
amber marten
ty
halcyon perch
thank you @left hatch what is null and Cns?
left hatch
Conflict and Strife, and Null Barrier
halcyon perch
sweet thanks
junior ivy
hi
sweet summit
hey π
junior ivy
hows wow
maiden ravine
Condemn is neat
left hatch
and one of the covenents is an empowered execute
yeh ^
some of the abilities seem pretty neat
maiden ravine
I mean the fact it's shadow damage over physical will make it a competitive raid one
Ignore armor execute? Yes please
left hatch
eh idk too early to say whats gonna be good
cause tuning and thewhole passive tree associated with each covenent
maiden ravine
The passives are supposedly mostly shared
junior ivy
i miss wow π¦
left hatch
mostly
theres bound to be some difference
esp since theres 3 diff trees for each covenent
maiden ravine
I'm still gonna pick my covenants based on rp reasons
maiden ravine
What happens if the best for each spec is a different covenant
left hatch
go with my main spec then?
maiden ravine
The banner seems cool for tanks
left hatch
yeh theres a couple support ish abilities built in
druids have a soul link thing that gives both ppl a buff
maiden ravine
I thought spark would see use this tier but never worked out that way so who knows
sharp night
it's literally just symbiosis from mop
mortal brook
but probably more balanced since its not ability specific swaps but role things
sharp night
some of the covenant stuff seems super broken
left hatch
irrc like priests could get tranq
sharp night
like the rogue kyrian one
you can just spend 1 combo point and get 7 CP finishers
constantly?
how's that even remotely balanced
maiden ravine
These are meant to be our major essences, or artifact abilities, they should be brokenly good
left hatch
the wording is a bit out there for the rogue one
sharp night
you animacharge one CP
left hatch
does the anima charged one CP get consumed tho
sharp night
then you use finishers that consume the same number of CP as animacharged
-> 7 CP finisher
left hatch
right but does that anima charged one get consumed and lose its charge
sharp night
no
left hatch
so it wont be constant 1->7CP finishers
sharp night
it lasts 12 seconds and is not expended when you use a finishing move
from the blizzcon preview
so you literally just
spam 1 CP finishers for 12 sec
and each of them does 7CP in damage
ridiculously broken
left hatch
seems like an easy nerf candidate
maiden ravine
Well someone has to be the frost dk
In regards to the DH tank one
@sharp night sounds like rogues will do no damage outside their anima windows haha
left hatch
or given this is a first pass build
the ability will be removed or nerfed into the ground
maiden ravine
They already nerfed the paladin kyrian ability by giving a target cap
left hatch
they also already removed the druids Rune of Power-esque ability
in favor of this symbiosis one
but this is def gonna start ppl freaking out "oh is xyz class worthless now"
maiden ravine
I just wanna see all the armor sets so I can plan out my 16 chars
junior ivy
16?!
mortal brook
24; 1 of each tank per covenant
maiden ravine
16 is one of each armor type for each covenant for transmog
But yeah, I bet world first tanks will have 4-24 depending on how many tanks they want ready for ability tuning
sharp night
nobody is gonna have 24 tanks lol
left hatch
and with a weekly cap on grinding 'progression' currency
theres no reason to have 4 of each class
youd just swap lol
strong forum
well they said swapping wont be easy
which is retarded
btw
so it could giga cuck you
mortal brook
lies. DesMephisto already has like 47 warriors
left hatch
even if its a steep one
sharp night
which was annoying but not that bad
having 47 warriors isn't the same as gearing 24 tanks to be pushing WF mythic raid though lol
leveling is easy
mortal brook
aye ofc not
sterile mantle
Would a Mythic Edicts be any good?
strong forum
not anymore
it loses in every situation vs psychic shell
and the absorb to HP ratio is incredibly small
its a 140k absorb every 40sec after 7min if stacked perfectly
which compared to 850k+ hp is nothing
sterile mantle
I thought so
Just had never looked into it.
Had somone one tell me maut was better than shell
sterile mantle
I said maybe M+ lol but even then....the cool down is better imo
maiden ravine
I expect at least 4 ready to go if there's any rng to legendary acquisition
strong forum
like, its not even close between the 2
not to mention Nzoth is 50% bigger now
so its actually 420k every minute
chilly brook
@maiden ravine is alpha up?
chilly brook
Nah I'm just curious where the execute in prot is from
maiden ravine
Only way a covenant ability can replace execute is if prot gets it back too
chilly brook
Ah I saw the post about adding back a bunch of abilities and stuff but didn't see the covenant post
maiden ravine
Rip heroic strike memes
chilly brook
They should just revert the monk class to MoP monk
Or at least take BrM/MW back to the WoD versions at the very least π
chilly brook
I'm very interested in seeing what Ion means when he says some classes resources are changing
chilly brook
Like maybe they're taking paladin back to what it used to be and getting rid of the stupid Holy Power shit
Imagine
lime wing
Why use CoF on major? Icy Veins says VoP major, is this raid easier to tank and thus we can focus a little more on DPS? (I just came back from a 5 months break)
left hatch
@lime wing VoP is better defensively, but you don't really need it, esp because the scary raid damage is magic
if you don't feel comfortable with the damage intake then yah go VoP major
chilly brook
@lime wing because CoF is huge big boy pump
lime wing
@left hatch Understandable, thanks!
chilly brook
@maiden ravine the ones you reapply
sterile mantle
OMG i love the Venthyr one for warrior
chilly brook
Although tbh I would be happy with the wrath version where it's a 30 minute buff
maiden ravine
It'd be just a passive buff
chilly brook
Not really because it still interacted with your judgement
But I would much prefer the vanilla/tbc version of seals
If we had to go with the wrath version I'd prefer the 2m one
Also with current spell batching on live I don't think you'd need to worry about seal twisting @maiden ravine since its very much instantaneous so you dont get the weird interactions that you can see from older xpacs
maiden ravine
Ret was still seal twisting in WoD and I hated the gameplay
formal meadow
what the best dungeon to farm ilvl
mortal brook
they all drop the same ilvl
waycrest drops 2 rings 1 weapon 1 trinket and 5 slots. one of the faster dungeons. prob that?
maiden ravine
Workshop is pretty awesome and has a main hander
Atal dazar has mh, shield, and trinket
left hatch
just spam whatever key you can get into tbh
worry about 'should i spam X' once you get to 15's and are fishing for bis
maiden ravine
11s are most efficient if you can do them
Drops heroic level loot
I actually enjoy doing junkyard cause of the bots
A tough week though with grievous
Last boss is a terror if dps don't stay in healing range
limpid pawn
got a question
if you don't open the jes howler prisoners before you fight him
do they still count towards %?
mortal brook
no
nor do they do affix stuff like bolster during the boss encounter
they will explosive tho
normal bolt
Would you use butcher or rezan eye together with vita for m+?
Hc vita and both others are 465
sick sentinel
Iβd use vita + block
wooden radish
@ionic fern what covenant is bis for prot warrior?
chrome palm
hey is this worth using? the 455?
chrome palm
but no vers
sweet summit
ok
chrome palm
is that still worth it?
sweet summit
block value
warm plinth
Even if we did prioritize stats over ilevel (we don't), vers would not be the stat that we would prioritize.
And you will never ever ever ever ever ever pick anything on a shield besides whichever one is the higher ilevel.
chrome palm
ok thanks a ton
maiden ravine
Man, imagine getting 16 stacks of ironfur, pity prot has nothing similar
warm plinth
Huh?
maiden ravine
Druid night fae ability casts 16 abilities in 4 seconds based on spec
warm plinth
I'm pretty sure they hit armor cap at like 5 or 6
maiden ravine
I dunno, lulz haha
warm plinth
So 16 is pointless
maiden ravine
Multiple stacks of ironfur and a full rage bar seems pretty nice as a cd
left hatch
idunno ravenous frienzy has more potential imo
stacking haste self healing and damage buff
provided yo'ure always active which.... why wouldn't you be
maiden ravine
Many fights have intermissions
sick sentinel
in 20+ keys wondering thought [Ablative Shielding] or [Unstable Flames]? my azerite gear is bad but got the 3x bom and 1 dc on
left hatch
which you can plan around and not use it during intermission
Unstable flames
the base stats are better than ablative for us
since we already have a fuckload of armor and avoidance is eh
sick sentinel
just looking at my gear so its optimized as 20 keys are hard xD
but good stuff thank you π
maiden ravine
I'm honestly kinda excited by the idea of spamming execute and building a massive shield
Honestly sounds like something they'll have to nerf since the end of fights are usually the most deadly
sick sentinel
sorry one more question for my gear double [Bulwark of the Masses] or one [Vampiric Speed] and one bulwark my gears pretty meme
sick sentinel
oh really didnt know that π¦
sweet summit
RP=IV>VS
left hatch
^
maiden ravine
I am curious how fight design would work if there's a tank that's safest in execute range haha
sweet summit
giv vengence back and let us execute 
maiden ravine
Lol
I wonder what the odds of 9.1 letting us swap covenant abilities as needed is.
Oh man, I actually laughed in what felt like weeks from someone describing what will happen to your computer when a druid multiboxer all uses convoke on you at once.
fleet mica
Hey. looking at the guides is a bit confusing, can't seem to find a straight answer. What's the most ideal traits for prot? Like any that I'd want to x3, x3 or anything? Seems like BoM is a big one from what I've seen.
mortal brook
inb4 frenzyheart levels of swapping covenant grind
maiden ravine
They already compared it to aldor and scyers
The covenant abilities should be our level 60 talents and let us swap them when we want
Leave the cosmetics locked to choice
mortal brook
aldor and scryers is a trip to an auction house
π€·
bet its not just a gold sink
maiden ravine
Someone had to grind the mats still
left hatch
@fleet mica 1xDC 3xBoM and fill in the last 2 blanks with HoD, MS, or Clockwerk heart
IF and BFI are good substitutes though
and the only one worth holding onto at expense for ilvl is that first DC
regal star
would torment in a jar be any good?
sick sentinel
It is good aoe dps
dusk walrus
Quick question - can you leech from ignore pain? Like use lucid dreams, leech a bit oof healing
edgy bone
wheat talon
heed my call is theoretically better damage on multi target, but the enemies need to be within 3 yards of the one that gets the heed my call proc, and that's not always the case
sharp night
gutripper is underrated because it has an execute effect so if you are targeting something <20% it has 5x the proc rate
sims don't reflect that either
runic spruce
Is shadow claw on the Gloom Horrors (Jumping mobs at the end of Waycrest) blockable? I had last stand up rolling ignores and they still absolutely tore me a new one
runic spruce
Cool thanks
brittle owl
blizzard and ingame hints though
amber siren
yeah there was something in legion iirc that sounded like a spell but could be blocked
undone sun
there were some shadow melees that were blockable
misstress' eels and the echoes on KJ
distant crystal
jaina's "melees"
undone sun
she still meleed like normal, she just had an extra auto attack
strong forum
Anyone excited to level 4x the same class so you can play every aspect of the game?
...
It's already clear as day that you want the root as warri for pvp
And the glory buff for pve
Like come on bruh...
brittle owl
hey
maybe
instead of being a whiny bitch on discords
be a whiny bitch on forums
100% more productive
π
meybe they'll change it
maiden ravine
If I am in alpha my first feed back will be covenant abilities should be a talent row because it's what they'll do in 9.1 when this system is panned harder than 8.0 azerite was.
brittle owl
feedback is important, even more so since they opened the door
just need to be directional and concise with whining
maiden ravine
It's taking the worst of azerite being expensive to change and being more impactful since unlike azerite you can't collect extra pieces
What if one covenant is amazing for arms in raids but you really want something else when you do m+ as prot
That is what makes this choice feel bad. Worse if the ability you're pressured to go for is associated witha covenant whose aesthetics you dislike
Separate the gameplay from the lore and cosmetics.
I mean how many people would be upset if night fae was best for warriors so you had butterfly wings and wooden plate over another faction. π
But this is blizzard
They'll get a ton of feedback saying this system doesn't feel good, it'll go live, engagement will plummet and they'll have to cut something to fix it in 9.1
I'm still salty we never got that barrens warfront
cyan oar
Is leech ever used over any of the other corruptions? I got 475 wrathion wrists with leech rank2, my current wrists are 460 haste/crit. I think purify but wanted to ask in here first if anyone likes the leech corruption? π
fervent harness
i assume lingering sporepod is still a near useless trinket?
strong forum
No @cyan oar
Yes @fervent harness
left hatch
the only major flaw they'd need to fix with covenents is just unlinking the power ability from the cosmetic/rp aspect
you already do a meet and greet while leveling, just let ppl swap out what covenent ability they wanna use like a major essene
and you can pledge to a covenent for non power related progression
sick sentinel
Hi guys, what piece shld i lottery tomorrow? As first 480 ill have...
left hatch
lottsa shoulders have BoM but thats kinda a nonfactor now that every raid piece has BoM
sick sentinel
On chest and shldrs i have bom, only head wirhout
left hatch
roll on w/e slot you don't use for DC
cause itll feel mega bad to not use a piece just because it lacks dc and you have no replacement
sick sentinel
On shldrs 5 from 7 has bom
Ill do my lottery on head, there i have not bom eather dc
I was so lucky with desert guardian brestplate as i looted it 460 from token... 1/7
With bom and dc
flat jackal
Does surging vitality proc a lot?
flat jackal
Fuck it. Bought that fucking shield
sick sentinel
its good random but decent uptime
meager comet
What's the best WA pack to use? Is there a go-to?
sweet summit
take whatever you like
meager comet
I'm kinda looking for one that I can place in the middle of screen that shows things like rage bar and cds along with maybe an ignore pain that helps with preventing clipping but I have one similar to that atm
I swapped my UI on dk so I want to do the same on my warrior to match
sweet summit
afenars WAs are the best (in my opinion)
meager comet
I'll try that out
From the first test it seems fine but I'll try and remove the ignore pain bar myself since the ignore pain WA I have tells me when I can cast it without clipping
strong forum
Mine are the best
blazing gale
Finally wrapped my head around and tanked some keys for the first time in my life, is there any scenario in m+ that i dont want to play rezan vita and swap to an defensive trinket like the one from maut?
sweet summit
you dont play the one from maut
you play the one from nzoth if you need a defensive trinket
lime wing
440 socket or 445? same item, same secundary stats
brisk ferry
what item is it
if you're talking weapon or shield, it's 445
otherwise liekly socket
blazing gale
I have only maut and workshop trinkets, vita rezan then i guess
sweet summit
platinum platings is extremely bad
lime wing
if you're talking weapon or shield, it's 445
@brisk ferry legs
understood, thanks π
onyx vessel
lime wing
DC + 3 BoM still the way to go?
strong forum
Yes
sweet summit
dont sac ilvl for bom
lime wing
Ok, thanks
blazing gale
which M+ do you take null dynamo?
strong forum
WCM, Workshop, ToS aaaand...
sweet summit
ML tyrann i guess
strong forum
Ah ye ML
blazing gale
So the rest would be VoP major + CnS/Warden/Aegis?
sweet summit
id use lucid/sphere over aegis in most situations
strong forum
^
sweet summit
but yeah
strong forum
I'm re-falling in love with lucid
Didn't run it in ages but feels great to use it again
95 procs in WCM 21 π
lime wing
any idea of which of those covenant abilities will be the go to for prot? they all sound interesting
strong forum
Depends on tuning