Furys love 2x stupidly oversized weapons
#protection
strong forum
strong forum
My fury mog is the uninstall button
mortal brook
and you have to 2x a lore-unique weapon, like The Black Hand or something
lucid dew
anyone have dreadnaught mog
mortal brook
totes
rigid stream
fang is garbo?
mortal brook
fang is highest aoe trinket
no target cap or avoidance even, cuz its a multi-apply ST dot
you just cant dodge/block/parry while channeling
the channeling is hasted tho, will usually fit within a shockwave
midnight eagle
any allied races good for prot? I am a BE which is obviously nice for M+ but I am just coming back to the game since.. uldir? so i'm open for something new
mortal brook
vulp racial is solid for tanking. nothing gamebreaking that you cant just play whatever you think looks best tho
midnight eagle
wow, that is real haha forgot about those guys. i knew about the trolls and orcs. will google their racial
chilly brook
@strong forum @onyx vessel I mean it's prot in terms of how you Bestial Wrath is similar to Avatar and you're always trying to reduce the CD's and get into it again asap
left hatch
races have very very minimal impact for us
Belf is nice for the aoe cleanse
nelf for shadowmeld
dwarfs have a self dispel that works on bleeds
vulp have the 5% reduc on first hit
but none of them will make or break a run/pull in 99.9% of cases (excluding nelfs if you have a whole group and strats build around them)
so pick w/e race you like the look of
hidden lance
racial difference, on virtually every class im aware of, makes less than 1% difference in dps or survivability. Stoneform is a short 10% DR on a 2 minute cooldown, take from that what you will. mechagnome primary stat boost is still nice, plus the auto heal at 20%. someone else pointed out vulperans. human stat increase continues to be the best ally racial from a numbers perspective. just play what you like tho. @midnight eagle
for me, racials that just affect qol (like the vulperan camp and backpack or the goblins bank) play a larger factor in what i wanna play
sick sentinel
my first 24 key done 
mortal brook
nice work!
midnight eagle
cool thanks
left hatch
@hidden lance the dwarf racial isn't powerful because of the 10% dr, its a cleanse that works on things that normally are uncleansable namely bleeds like from the zerkers in KR, and as a free way to reset necro stacks without kiting
grand drum
does shadowmeld reset stacks still?
left hatch
necro yes because you drop combat
but you also drop all threat so... its risky in big pulls
hidden lance
forgot about that lol
left hatch
high chance your melee dps will get smacked
hidden lance
havent played a dwarf in a minute
left hatch
when i was ally i went DA dwarf most of s2/3 exclusively for that racial lol
got tired of bleeds from KR nuking me
but yah otherwise what you said is right, outside of situational utility races are more or less the same
so go for QOL or visuals
mortal brook
also DID is cute af
hidden lance
DID also cleanses bleeds?
yeah my ally pally is a dark iron
sickest hair of any race on ally
mortal brook
yeah, but they get strength from cleanses
instead of DR
its not much but its still the good part of the racial
hidden lance
objectively better
hidden lance
the what
hidden lance
butterface i meant
hidden lance
ok kinda weird but ok
also the primary boost is better than the basically negligible 10% dr
mortal brook
basically, the difference is so negligible i can just choose the dorf i think looks better
left hatch
eh the difference is meaningless
because its not used as a defensive, its used as a cleanse
hidden lance
yea
left hatch
and offensively fireblood<crit passive
even if yo'ure on a fight you can use it on cd
but TLDR racials don't really matter
they arn't gonna make or break a M+ run
so ppl should just play what they like the look of
any other comparison is just feelycraft justification for why the race they place is best
hidden lance
nah dude clearly human is the absolute BEST according to this HARD data
mortal brook
put on HAC, lfd should be ahead
hidden lance
ridiculous that icyveins even bothers putting them up lol
mortal brook
bloodmallet is nice; it shows the difference isnt worth mentioning lol
left hatch
and it heavily prios ST dps
mortal brook
exactly. DID is big facegains.
hidden lance
its so entirely negligible that when someone asks for "the best race for a class" i almost immediately assume theyre a complete newbie
mortal brook
oh that
hidden lance
dont really look at my characters face often
i spend a lot of time on the creation screen, then slap on a helmet and never ever see it again lol
coral umbra
What’s a good haste % for prot? Almost at 50% with the talent fully stacked
mortal brook
long as you arent sacrificing ilvl for it, there is no reachable breakpoint for haste
keep it rollin
coral umbra
Oh ok cool
My biggest issue right now with grevious is that healers seem to have trouble getting 4 stacks of you with these crazy heath pools we have
mortal brook
do what you can as well. pop pots, food after pulls, etc.
coral umbra
Yeah I have been running food after every pull. Just started tanking like two weeks ago but it’s been fun. They get super challenging
Seeing the tank damage is just bonkers. I was in stall earlier and beating dps on some big pulls. It was a good idea to swap mains from a mage
mortal brook
feel free to log m+ runs and put em here as well; more info can help us give targeted improvements
coral umbra
Oh I’ll have to figure out how to do that awesome.
Is twisted appendage any good or is the corruption for the wrathion sword better for aoe?
mortal brook
TA is one of the higher single target corruptions, dps per corruption. wrathion is pretty middle of the pack, but you throw in enough targets and itll pull ahead.
left hatch
probably the best for st in more real situations
mortal brook
unless you're a lucky hecker that gets multiple Gushing Wounds ^
but the dream is TD
coral umbra
I run t3 twisted and t1 TD for raids and m+ but I haven’t tanked any raids yet
left hatch
M+ id skew towards more TD than TA
mortal brook
for sure
left hatch
but i also have options
mortal brook
except like, maybe workshop. but even then
left hatch
wrathion would be a for sure cleanse with options
coral umbra
I really on have those and the crit chance random one
I literally started hearing 2 weeks ago
coral umbra
The crit every 1 second for 5 seconds I think
left hatch
yah thats not bad
mortal brook
depends on content and comfort (and how much your healer likes you)
left hatch
when it comes with corruption the easy solution is to just sim yourself
coral umbra
Maybe non grevious week I’ll try it
mortal brook
for me, 39 on prog, 59 on farm, 93 on heroic reclear 
left hatch
unless you're breaking into like 23+ keys theres no valuable survivability component to corruption
and above that you just stack the Verse corruptions
so hop on raidbots top gear, set an upper limit to corruption cap and do w/e it tells you
its hard to tell you whats a for sure pick w/o simming cause your individual stats and what you have access to can wildly change whats best
coral umbra
Awesome. I have done a few 13-14 keys. I’m like 12% vers normally so I’ll do that when I get home
I know last time I simmed I was at 41k
left hatch
just be careful what you sim
for M+ dungeon slice is bad
you ideally wanna do 3 sims
Patchwerk 1t 3m w/ lust
Patchwerk 3t 1.5m no lust
Patchwerk 5(or6)t 1.5m no lust
and then compare and do a little critical thinking which side to lean on
requires a little bit more thinking on your part, but its a much much better simulation of dungeon pulls than hectic add cleave or dungeon slice
hidden lance
also just try out different sets of gear in dungeons and how it feels
analog swift
Take affixes into account as well ofc
For example fort weeks t4 TD
Tyrannical t3 and gushing wounds
vestal edge
is diamond trinket still good from bod i just got a 420 one from a tmog run
obtuse vortex
whats your guys' trick to tank last boss in td without getting mindfucked by being in a wall basically?
i feel like vision on that boss is a pain
sick sentinel
It is a pain. Can stand away from the wall a bit and it helps
You also don’t really have to move much
sharp night
turn your camera?
hallow phoenix
I tank in the corner of the stairs and ledge nearer to a cannon
This way I don't get moved when targeted by the explody orange circle and can keep crossfire positioning consistent for my team
dark lark
If your character model is thicc like an orc or tauren
You might want to consider a toy that makes you smaller
Like burgy handsome hat (or whatever), manastorm duplicator
That makes it a little easier
left hatch
^ if you play a tauren you basically need a toy for mechagon workshop
he too thicc to fit through the doors after 2nd boss
hallow phoenix
Which is hilarious
I have to cancel avatar procs on my troll to fit through the door
sick sentinel
Another reason to be a panda
mortal brook
another reason to be a panda
undone sun
gross
mortal brook
you right
amber siren
🤮
calm cove
coral umbra
Is the mechagon essence 100% needed?
warm plinth
Wait, can you clarify what you mean by Mechagon essence lol
Because I could see that meaning Nullification Dynamo as well.
warm plinth
Yes, it's mandatory
warm plinth
Null is from rep
warm plinth
He was commenting on me asking if he meant Null or Vision
left hatch
ah i gotchu
but yes VoP is your BiS essence in all situations
short of ST parsing or going into dungeons higher than like +22 keys
coral umbra
Oh ok
sick sentinel
Just get lucky with TD and ST parse with vop ez
sick sentinel
God if only
left hatch
and let them do all the work
coral umbra
I love getting procs with tentacles. Ended up with like 47 k dps on just the last boss of Atal with lust. Feels amazing
left hatch
99 parse on drestagath heroic reclear this week cause of the little fuckers (:
but on havoc dh
so doesn't count here lul
super strong in ST and way more reliable than IS
coral umbra
Which tank class is highest on the damage atm?
left hatch
M+ probably warrior
mortal brook
the one with the most TD
left hatch
and in raid its warrior
sick sentinel
drops mic
mortal brook
wait, remove Boost as an outlier. how about now
sick sentinel
Heck out of here paladin
mortal brook
cant just be prot in here >.>
left hatch
wasn't going by top 10
was goign by all parses in last 2 weeks
warrior still top by a decent amount, then dk
mortal brook
aye fair
mortal brook
brm would be higher if anyone actually executed it well instead of not watching the screen cuz they brewmasters
left hatch
iv been rolling with glut, VoP and EV 6
its... interesting
i tried TD on carapace but the fucking thing never procced so i got mad at it
TD5*
sick sentinel
Ya hate to see The TD no proc
sick sentinel
Almost as painful as when you slightly turn your character and send him shooting off into space
left hatch
oh fuck. thats why it never procced
didn't even think about that
it doesn't hurt as bad on a dps spec cause you still can do work w/o a TD proc
but it feels awful not getting one on VDH
cause like... thats all your dps
mortal brook
ev at least has the same explosion rate. build rate will move with gcd tho
left hatch
yah, its just a lot more consistent
if i ever tanked M+ on vdh id probably go back to TD5
coral umbra
It’s just crazy. I finally broke 1m hp it’s crazy
coral umbra
Yeah I only have like 4 essences. I just switched mains so I’m still farming them. I have so few I have to use crucible
coral umbra
I think I use crucible main anima the one that gives 3 % and strength of the warden maybe
left hatch
- hp doesn't do much for your survivability. once you hit a breakpoint of surviving burst dps it stops being useful because your healer still has to heal it up, whereas most other essences actively reduce your damage taken
- the increase to dps from TD is very negligable
- the essence is actually dangerous to use because stacks evaporate when you need them most (when you low) so your hp pool dips suddenly as soon as you hit the 30% of w/e threshold
good way to spook your healer and kill you
to the point its probably better to just have an empty essence slot over taking anima
coral umbra
Oh cool
left hatch
run a heroic mechagon
get vop r1
put is as major, put crucible in the minor slotanimas in
and never ever look back
amber siren
idk ripple in space would be up there as well
left hatch
ripple in space is useless butdoesn't have a detrimental effect to it
left hatch
anima does like what 50k damage to you w/e you drop below that %hp
sharp night
ftd glut vop
all the adds focused me at start
and i tanked through 12 stacks of the bleed
and we all just blasted
sharp night
not guaranteed but
if everyone stays in the obelisk realm
it has a higher percentage chance of targeting you when you pull
left hatch
interesting
sharp night
sometimes it doesn't work
but when it does you can just blast
can't do it on any tank other than vdh though i think
the bleed hurts
warrior would get melted by it
sharp night
if you can burn them before racial wears off yeah
otherwise it'd be real rough or you'd have to start kiting lol
left hatch
def somehting to keep in mind for clearing low keys like 15's
cause you can def kill them in the stun window there
sharp night
but yeah i've been having insane luck with td procs this week
we were doing wm 19 and i told my group
just stand opposite me
on tree boss
and legit
i procced TD on every single soul thorns
and killed it instantly
left hatch
jesus lol
sharp night
so they never had to switch
left hatch
tho i havn't had an issue with thorns on any recent WC lately
1 bladedance usually mercs it
so as long as i dont get thorned its a non issue
sharp night
yeah it's an easy mechanic but it's just funny when the nameplate doesn't even appear
literally cast finishes and it's gone
like with how much it does now
it's silly to think it'll be doing double that in 6 months
when we have capped cloak
200k+ tank dps 😮
sharp night
the funniest part was
right at the very end our rogue crit bte and caught me on the meter
and at the end i was like aw he caught up
and he was like wait WHAT that wasn't our havoc
cause he just saw purple at top of meter and assumed it was our havoc
left hatch
i really hope shadowlands doesn't kill havoc
iv really fallen in love with the spec since swapping
sharp night
have you tried it without fel gaze
left hatch
havn't tried it with
sharp night
oh then you'll be fine
left hatch
been DA/IA build since i swapped a month ago
left hatch
oh
left hatch
yah i thought you meant the extra fury gen w/ eyebeam
yah i have
took me a few weeks to get 1
sharp night
FG makes the spec way more fun imo
left hatch
i just really been enjoying demonic/demonic appetite
FG zooming was just icing on the cake
tbh eyes of rage is probably gonna slow it down a lot more
no 'collect the skittles' minigame for more eyebeams = less uptime in zoomer mode :/
sharp night
yeah
veng is gonna need the biggest rework in SL otherwise it's gonna be terrible again after corruption is gone lol
left hatch
yah.... i really hope they bake in some azerite traits to baseline kit
brittle owl
it's gonna be terrible just playing gluttony for survival tbh
left hatch
like warrior will be ok losing our giga Avatar ig
brittle owl
it's starting to get old now, it'll be rancid when sl hits
left hatch
but dps classes will hurt a lot without some of their traits
left hatch
either way itll probably feel like legion all over again
losing all the cool class progression
thats what killed bear main for me
brittle owl
x doubt
left hatch
no RoTS, no double/triple thrash, no Lady and Child = no fun
brittle owl
there'll be no losing leggos or artifact ability
losing essences wont nearly be as awful
left hatch
well lose essences and traits instead which not as cool as just as impactful
left hatch
any power loss tho feels shitty
sharp night
essence/traits/corruption though not as unique, probably just as impactful
brittle owl
^
losing corruption will actually feel good lmao
can't wait for this shit to be gone
left hatch
eh i like it
sharp night
instead we get some steady progression on SL leggos?
left hatch
more interesting than TF
sharp night
or something
left hatch
and they coulda/shoulda learned from legion legos that rng aquisition of such impactful things is shitty but
brittle owl
esp if you're not a warlock/fmage/bm hunter
brittle owl
since you're in the area where gamble dps essences outweigh shit like secondary gain
it is exciting, but then you realize your dps is a lottery
remember lotto shaman in legion?
left hatch
or outlaw rogues
yah it has its problems 100%
but its promising if they tweak it
and are trying something new thats not TF
and for me thats good enough for now
brittle owl
the fact that they're experimenting is good true
but
i'd 100% prefer tf to corruption, personally
it feels shit to have your throughput dictated by rng to this degree
left hatch
idk, id take excitement over boring upgrades
brittle owl
it killed raid parsing for me
left hatch
even if it does exacerbate the issue of lfr heros getting something stupid op with 0 effort
that ppl had with TF as well
brittle owl
not nearly to this extent though
tf was a nonissue outside of the first like, 1 month of the patch
left hatch
right, hence exacerbating. it took that main grievance with TF and made it much. much worse
brittle owl
fair
left hatch
but as a good point
i do like the cost/benefit of it
and its fun (to me) to have tons of corrupted gear and figure out what to roll with
lot more invovled than 'whelp this is a higher ilvl so its an upgrade ig'
brittle owl
i wish corruption would've been a la CoS items
left hatch
and we havn't really had that puzzle piece gearing since Tier sets were killed
brittle owl
but i get it, that route wouldve been 1000x more work
left hatch
be neat if their new corruption replacement
was exclusively around torghast
and remove the entry requirement
cause i think thats what kills visions the most
is having to do shitty dailies just to participate
left hatch
well thats the thing, it wouldn't necesarily be
your gear would still come from raid/M+
and they could lean in to the socket item
but now with corruption-lite effects
from torghast currency
retains value of ilvl, gives you something to farm to slightly increase power gain outside of raid and M+
and keeps torghast relevent after getting w/e component of the new legendary system is aquired
without making it feel as required as the cloak makes visions
brittle owl
now take a screen of all the procs at once
sick sentinel
procs?
brittle owl
no surging vitality?
brittle owl
don;t think so
brittle owl
neat
undone sun
balm
sick sentinel
hey guys, do i understand vulpera racial, every hit first hit will be reduced by 5%? so if i do a big pull on waycrest, every first spit from maggots and all magic thingy willl be reduced by 5%?
left hatch
very few mobs in WC will open up with a cast
so yo'ull only reduce their first tiny AA by 5%
sick sentinel
mhm
left hatch
the big damage in that hallway magic wise is the retch which no that won't be reduced by 5%
because the pig dudes AA you long before they puke
sick sentinel
u are right
north fossil
Hey there, first time asking something as a new Warrior Prot. Would like to ask for some advice on best rotation for mitigation when pulling 5 mob packs in M+ dungeons.
left hatch
SB up always
dump pain with IP
er rage*
use LS to fill in gaps while SB recharges
thats all there is to a mitigation rotation
if you're talking attacks and not just rotating defensives its the same as your dps rotation
prio is TC>SS>Free Revenge>Devastate in aoe
north fossil
may I ask what you meant by er rage?
left hatch
i said pain initially cause iv been playing dh the last month
our resource is rage not pain
lol
north fossil
ahh lol
also LS is on a 2 min cooldown, is there a situation where you would use it to max its benefit?
left hatch
yes, you use it to fill in gaps with SB
usually on pull it goes 3 SB back to back -> LS -> 2 more SB's
the cd is reduced by anger management and bolster as well
so it comes back up real quick
really the only 'defensive cd' we have that you sit on for any amount of time is SW
everything else is integrated into being used mostly on cd
north fossil
yeah SW is 4 min
left hatch
its also the only thing you sit on
stark ruin
Also reduced by anger management
strong forum
BS 
left hatch
and LS isn't a defensive so much as extra SB's
north fossil
having a hard time with packs with 5 or 6 packs on +9s , and was questioning if there are any tips on those pulls to mitigate the damage
left hatch
face the enemies, make sure your SB isn't dropping off
ie are you wasting rage on more IP's or revenges
are you using LS as a panic hit while you already have SB up
shit like that gets you killed real quick in big pulls
and ig is it magic damage thats killing you, because some chainpulls are just undoable because you'll run outta kicks
or you run into unavoidable party damage killing everyone else long before you have survivability issues
north fossil
that is true especially in groups with limited interrupts
left hatch
that key is objectively easier past 10's
because you skip those packs entirely
but if yo'ure having a serious issue with survivability and its not because of casts getting off
its probably due to panic using LS and overlapping it with SB
north fossil
i will work on better application of LS
left hatch
or its using rage incorrectly
lotta new warriors think they need to keep IP up 100% of the time and it takes priority
it doesn't.
its a resource dump to smooth damage, not our active mitigation
and the situations it takes prio over SB in current content you can count on 1 hand
another good habit to get into (or a bad habit to break that new tanks do)
is to stop looking at HPS meter and trying to gauge how good you're doing based on that
warriors arn't a reactive tank, how much hps you do is largely meaningless when it comes to how tanky you are
and looking at it incentivizes bad play that hurts your survival
like thinking Sporepods is a good trinket 'cuase it has good hps'
or spamming IP at the cost of block because it inflates your hps meter
north fossil
gotcha
must admit it is tempting and as I said I am still new, so far from any form of mastery of the class
left hatch
honestly just stop tracking HPS
if you want GOOD metrics to look at for how well yo'ure doing
brittle owl
tracking hps isn't a prot warr thing
left hatch
start logging your runs
brittle owl
it's a game mechanic thing
left hatch
and look at %hits blocked
brittle owl
HPS literally means nothing, by itself
more often than not
it leads to wrong conclusions
brittle owl
EHRPS can be missleading as well
left hatch
better, not great
brittle owl
yeah
north fossil
I dont even understand what EHRPS is hehe
brittle owl
honestly the best metric is : did you die? if not, good, if yes, look at what you couldve done better
left hatch
external healing required per second
brittle owl
dying cause you only had IP up and SB available, but not used, is a good example of how you can prevent a death
looking at how much damage SB mitigates is another way of understanding why it's so important
left hatch
or dying to avoidable damage (like magic casts) either means you need to be better about kicking or smarter about your pulls
north fossil
I had a very bad time yesterday on FH with the adds after the bridge
left hatch
bridge to 2nd boss or bridge to harlan
north fossil
2nd
brittle owl
you either got stunned, sputed, or hit from behind
left hatch
i go right and wrap around the building on higher keys
brittle owl
also that
left hatch
gives you more control over pulls than just running into the middle
left hatch
yah goign behind it and jumpingdown onto rat pack on the ramp
north fossil
do you bother with the mechanic to reduce one boss?
brittle owl
it's unkillable even on normal
north fossil
thought so, some in party suggested we dont do it
brittle owl
lmao
left hatch
yikes.
sick sentinel
Xd
brittle owl
they get like a 99% dmg reduction
north fossil
we still did go for it, but it caused grief by the "experts" in group insisting its an option
left hatch
^ tank controls the route
period
honestly if yo'ure so new i would'nt worry about chain pullin 4-5 packs
go at your own pace you feel comfy with
north fossil
I know but sometimes randoms are so ... difficult
left hatch
and add to it as you get more acclimated
brittle owl
yeah well
left hatch
like you don't need to chain pull to time 15's
brittle owl
gotta have thick skin while learning
left hatch
so don't worry about it too much
brittle owl
especially at lower levels
left hatch
and if dps bitch tell them to just do better dps to make up for it (:
brittle owl
since people are more toxic and entitled the worse they play
left hatch
very true, groups become so much better once you break into 15+'s
north fossil
the more i play, the more i believe people dont really know the mechanics but they "leeched" they way through somehow, but for a tank that is impossible
brittle owl
nah
left hatch
tbh a good dps can carry a bad tank
left hatch
way more than a good tank carrying shit dps
north fossil
I undersatnd
left hatch
even if a tank is super 4head as long as they stay alive
the key is doable
and if yo uwanna talk about people not understanding basic M+ mechanics
i was pugging a +9 to help gear a friends alt
north fossil
I just get surprised when I ask if they know the mechanic of certain dungeons and they say that they did the dungeon before, but dont know the mechanics, admittedly this is not high keys at all, as I said, I only did till +9
left hatch
the keyholder insisted we could just pull the last pack into boss on mechagon
and the trash would just reset
strong forum
wtf
left hatch
like.....? o.0
north fossil
ouch
brittle owl
gamers man
north fossil
that last pack is a thing of nightmares
strong forum
maybe he thought he was nightelf
north fossil
yeah I saw
north fossil
not confident enough to go for a 10
strong forum
10s are easier than 9s yes
brittle owl
^
brittle owl
it's easier than it seems
left hatch
look onto raider io
brittle owl
and certain dungeons
strong forum
ML is arguably the one affected the most
brittle owl
mechagon workshop and temple being prime examples
strong forum
by awakened
left hatch
ML just makes it meta to not have a rogue
brittle owl
^
strong forum
temple was never difficult wha
even without rogues
even if you never skip anything but first part with stealthpot
brittle owl
you're totally discounting the amount of time you save
by just straight up ignoring the puzzlez
north fossil
so rader io guide?
strong forum
ML however went from deathskip bonanza to comfyness galore
strong forum
the puzzles? never took longer than 10sec
strong forum
no
strong forum
still have to do that
north fossil
yes?
left hatch
oh ok i thoughts thats what you meant by puzzle
brittle owl
you skip lighting dodging and the slow thingie
left hatch
eh you makeup maybe 10s because you have to backtrack
brittle owl
more like 1 min overall tbh
left hatch
its a pretty negligable save
strong forum
insteadf you have to do 1 pillar
effectively losing time
so idk
Temple didnt change imo
whatsoever
left hatch
yah im in that camp, its pretty net neutral
but its also hella easy with a druid to ride on
left hatch
i meant the slow part pre-skip
left hatch
travel form essentially negates it
i will grant that the 2 big rogues skips in it were kinda tight without like a rawr or something
and obelisks make them free
left hatch
ML is now my fav key lol
strong forum
next to junkyard
north fossil
also regarding stats, what are your suggestions, when I began everyone was telling me haste and crit, but I am realizing versatility is as much if not more important. Your views?
strong forum
Versa becomes important at giga keys
left hatch
ilvl>haste>crit
left hatch
yah verse is great in raids, but you don't need it before high keys
strong forum
and just stack haste crit
north fossil
oh ok, so still far far away
left hatch
same with trinkets, until you breach 20 you don't need to worry about something like psychic shell
grab vita, rezan, dragonscale or a butchers block
and you can keep those suckers slotted till shadowlands or you get to 20+ keys
whichever comes first
left hatch
stat %'s don't mean much
just focus on goign with yoru highest ilvl
and then if its equivilant ilvl prio haste>crit>verse>mast
north fossil
thank you
left hatch
your statline isn't going to make or break your survivability
north fossil
you are right, just wanted to address some doubts that I had about stats as well
left hatch
the tldr of it is don't worry too much about it
as long as you arn't sacrificing ilvl
you're doing fine
left hatch
np, anytime
past barn
Is the Mechagon Junkyard shield good for a Prot warrior? On my prot pala it does nothing but it doesnt block as much as a warrior
mortal brook
worst in its ilvl class. but if its your highest ilvl shield, wear it
proc is gone in less than a melee in any relevant content, you wont see the dmg
brittle ledge
anyone tested ineffable truth?
mortal brook
aye, not significant
esp compared to corruption alternatives
Anger Management and VoP basically covers anything better than ineffable truth can
sweet summit
ineffable 
soon ™️
novel temple
They should just make anger management baseline for warrior
sweet summit
ragaver baseline 
novel temple
Remove ravager, and give us glad stance back
sweet summit
novel temple
Jk, let us be the 2h and shield tank now
mortal brook
full crusader!
strong forum
No
crude pond
hey, best stats for proteWarr M+?
strong forum
ilvl > haste > crit until 23s then you stack vers
crude pond
tyty
slim pier
is it easy to do visions as a tank?
brittle owl
yeah
strong forum
very
strong forum
yes
slim pier
the most i did was 4
strong forum
easily
strong forum
@torn lodge 2nd one with BFI + Bloodrite + HMC
torn lodge
hmc over azerite veins?
sweet summit
tank inner traits are very bad
torn lodge
allright, thanks!
slim pier
So it's easier to do 5 masks on prot than fury?
strong forum
tanks have one of the easiest times in visions
slim pier
do I need some specific essences
strong forum
cuz we have massive dmg, massive survivability for big pulls and mobs have less HP
raid setup
max ST dmg
cof major
vop / cns / null minor
slim pier
what's the raid setup? lmao
mortal brook
Cof for the bosses. Theyre the sanity killers
strong forum
and use cyclo blast trinket
sweet summit
CoF major
null+cns+vop
strong forum
you wanna maximise ST dmg cuz bosses is the only thing that wont fall over instantly
slim pier
Do I wanna use 3x bastion?
strong forum
obv
mortal brook
Use consumables. Scrolls drums kbab food flask gunshoes pots
slim pier
I don't have really good prot gear
mortal brook
Np, ilvl wins in most slots
slim pier
I'm gonna have to take a chest that's 465
strong forum
any spec
if you can do 4, you can do 5
period
unless youre struggling heavily with 4 mask
slim pier
ok I can do it
slim pier
What do you mea nby stupid pulls
strong forum
well literally
stupid pulls
you know what the adds do
dont do 2 stupid adds at the same time
mortal brook
Fang and they ded
slim pier
yeah I wanna use it on dwarven district
slim pier
is dubious delight good
strong forum
dont forget you can swap gear and even change specs inside visions
slim pier
I usually use that food
strong forum
i dont know what that is
i only know kbab
but i dont even need that anymore
for 5mask
sweet summit
cc reduce one is the only one i use tbh
left hatch
with proper play you don't need any cc reduction
slim pier
imagine playing properly
left hatch
the only unavoidable cc is the hex from the Haste buff in org
sweet summit
trueee
slim pier
I don't ahve any of the kbab reagents
lmao
well, I do have questionable meat
but the fish, no
mortal brook
Should be cheap
sweet summit
you dont really need it, but its nice to have just in case
lofty widget
which azerite trait would be better for m+, filthy transfusion or iron fortress?
sweet summit
prob IF
slim pier
Just did a 5 mask
with fury
got a rank 1 honed mind boots
meh
I'm not really sure which item to put a socket on
if i do get it
sweet summit
vita
slim pier
my vita is heroic
sweet summit
socketed HC>mythic
just socket an item you use all the time and wont replace very soon
sweet summit
tru
torn lodge
heed my call or gutripper?
sweet summit
hmc for m+
gut for raid
torn lodge
how big is bastion? should i use 465 bastion over any 480?
sweet summit
very big but not better than more ilvl
torn lodge
ah i see
viscid radish
What essences are you generally using for m+ this week?
i feel like strength of the warden is kinda good for griev?
sweet summit
VoP major
cns/lucid/sphere/aegis/void/str minors
its good if you dont have a healer with CoF major
viscid radish
What does a healer with cof get?
warm plinth
You get higher uptime on Formless Void's haste with more/more frequent active essences in your group.
That's what he's referring to.
sweet summit
yea sorry, bad wording
twin brook
Hi Guys 🙂 What comp u pref for Trinkets here : Gore-Crusted Butcher's Block ( 470) , Rezan's Gleaming Eye (460 +S) , Vial of Animated Blood( 460), Humming Black Dragonscale ( 460) or Sigil of Warding ( 460 +100 Leech). Atm i running Gore + Razan but sometimes i feel like i need more deff vealue. I cant assess how mutch Deff value Gor and Razan have in M+. Keys around 15-17 btw. Thx for helping guys
strong forum
Scale/rezan + block
strong forum
Pepega
sweet summit
strong forum
You don't need any defensive stuff in 15s-17s keys and haste and crit from those 3 trinkets is very valuable defensive and offensive stats in m +
The only feasible defensive trinket is nzoth trinket and that should not be used until 23+ if at all
(depending on your healer ofc)
Haste will never lose value defensively as it allows you to get CDs back faster, crit gives you a shitton of parry which is very useful in m+ since there's so many instances which you can parry
@twin brook
twin brook
Ty guys
lean arch
is there any way to quantify how much of a defensive boost a shield upgrade is?
sweet summit
very big
lean arch
kchange?
strong forum
Yup
rotund flume
Do i need to tank swap on hivemind or do i tank 1 boss the whole time?
rotund flume
Ty 😄
neat rapids
anyone else addicted to taking ret paladins into their m+ groups?
blessing of kings feels like crack as a tank
strong forum
🤷
sick sentinel
If that small absorb feels that good for you, you probably need to pull more
mental scarab
🤣
sick sentinel
I don’t mind taking ret. the extra bop is nice as is their bubble. Damage is ok too.
But Kings is rarely the reason I’d bring one
stiff gate
I like ret for WoG mostly. It takes pressure off the healer so they can either DPS or heal the tank more.
strong forum
so uh
clockwork heart is giga bugged
it activates even when you dont have the azerite piece equipped and just sitting in bags
strong forum
yeah nah not taking my chances on getting banned 😄
saw it on naowh stream cuz he was testing something, so i tested it on live
and it actually works
i have it on my own stream too
sweet summit
i want to abuse this but i dont have any of the mecha azerites
strong forum
🔨
sweet summit
have mercy
toxic gyro
Specifically buy multiple 460 ones with clockwork heart 
void hill
2x def crash or 1 def 1 callous reprisal
void hill
ty
onyx vessel
Callous reprisal 
haughty burrow
Really dumb question here for a noob prot warrior and sanguine. If there’s a caster pr uninterruptible mob in sanguine, do you just leap away and los it?
sweet summit
engi belt knock/typhoon/RoP etc
or just line it yea
haughty burrow
Assuming no one else In grp knows what they’re doing either. 😂
warm plinth
Just be a Kul Tiran and haymaker the bastard mwahahahaha
sweet summit
reroll dk
haughty burrow
lol thanks. 😛
onyx vessel
Run with a drood and if they dont have typhoon roast em
neat rapids
when you run 5+ with your leveling guild instead of pugs
amber siren
leveling guilds yikes
neat rapids
I dont even know if any actual guild takes me with my gear
first ID with my warrior, I'm at 436
amber siren
most heroic guilds are happy to take anyone, gear usually isnt a problem but ofc it depends on your server
neat rapids
well I'm on the biggest alliance raiding server in my region
theres quite a bit of competition going on here
amber siren
then you'll get a guild easily, always rotation in rosters happening on high pop servers as people move up guilds
neat rapids
hm, might aswell wait for the next ID for all the weekly gear and then look for a guild
theres a lot of gear locked behind the weekly ID eh
I guess the easiest method would be to make a forum post lol
amber siren
i genuinely forgot that the wow forums were a thing
you could check wowprogress as well for guilds on your realm
neat rapids
yeah
tradechat is basically dead nowdays
its like 40 people posting sellruns in 10 seconds
I have like 30 people on my ignore list and it just doesnt stop
amber siren
sounds like trade chat
neat rapids
back in WoD when I raided mythic sell runs weren't even a thing
because the game was dead lol
carmine galleon
Is it worth it to lower your azerite piece by 5 ilvls to get your one deafining crash trait in or is the ilvl just too big for that?
warm plinth
You can drop 15 ilevels for your first DC
carmine galleon
oh okay, sweet
neat rapids
yes DC is essential
damn pretty low demand on warriors on wowprogress. don't really understand this tho, they're great
stark scroll
@neat rapids Selling mount runs was definitely a thing in wod, I'd spend all day in a cross server pug selling aotc mount runs. Guilds were selling the mythic ones etc
neat rapids
ah right I remember that, but it was late in HFC
but for sure wasn't that opressive in the chat
mythic+ wasnt a thing back then
stark scroll
Get the addon badboy and the plugin for it ccleaner, you can set it to filter boost spam from chat
neat rapids
the mounts were really cool, I still use the grove warden constantly
alright thanks for the tip
stark scroll
Yeah mythic+ is new ofc, people were selling the challenge modes back then but it wasn't as bad. People used to advertise more in group finder but that's no longer allowed and can be reported
stark scroll
Yeah there were some decent ones for sure
neat rapids
also unsure why so many guilds are looking for so many range DD's
its not a really a range raid
but I guess people do it bc old habits
oblique garnet
Range dps is more useful still over melee dps on most bosses
neat rapids
I blame blizz for introducing 3 new melee dps classes into the game when the raids are designed for ranges
but what I've heard from progress raiders this raid favours melees
sick sentinel
It’s actually a raid where ranged are more heavily favored
There are two fights back to back where limited melee benefit the raid
neat rapids
where have all the meta shadow priest plebs gone
sweet summit
to firemage after they got butchered lmfao
chilly brook
Necromancer ranged class when?
sweet summit
uh dk with clawing shadows 👌
neat rapids
there will probably be a lot of dk's and pally roleplayers in shadowlands
chilly brook
bruh DK is not a necromancer reeeeeeeee
neat rapids
idk if getting a new class in shadowlands would have been a good idea
might be better to not make 70% of the ranged specs garbage lol
sweet summit
ranged isnt garbage, fire is just OP
neat rapids
no talking about the ranged specs that aren't op or just plain awful
cries in arcane mage
chilly brook
Arcane seems fine
sweet summit
arcane isnt bad
it fucking pumps if it can do what its supposed to do
stand still and cast the entire fight
chilly brook
Arcane is doing better than MM hunter
hard cipher
I died to obelisk and it was my fault
https://gyazo.com/478755da2811fbfcb7770b9933f0291e is this my fault?
chilly brook
wait
warm plinth
Why did you have no healing other than your own in almost 9 seconds
chilly brook
but 9 seconds with no external healing is lmao
warm plinth
He was probably told it was his fault
hard cipher
^
warm plinth
And he's asking to see if he's crazy or not lol
sweet summit
you didnt healthpot
sweet summit
warlock in m+
chilly brook
get one before you start for the healthstone and replace duh
sweet summit
i tried to make a bad joke :(
hard cipher
That earlier dungeon I got called fucking noob bc I didnt tank last boss in ML so melee could use 'safe spot'
chilly brook
It's ok Warlock is a bad joke 😛
warm plinth
Idk, not using safe spot for ML last boss is just making the boss harder for no reason tbh
hard cipher
yeah fair enough thought
sick sentinel
Yes we have a lock named wealthstones who gets summoned prior to key and provides sustenance
warm plinth
My warlock's name is Locksaredumb
sweet summit
lol
sick sentinel
Also visai it appears you may have taken an unblocked/in the back melee in there
But tell your healer to quit complaining and heal more like I always do
keen quarry
is the mechagon magic absorb ring worth anything?
sweet summit
its worse than the haste one
keen quarry
kk
sweet summit
ive tried it, and its pretty bad
quaint yoke
mechagon ring haste proc worth anything?
warm plinth
About 15 ilevels combined between the two rings I think is the go-to number
neat rapids
so I tried DD now with low gear instead of tanking
only took 10 minutes till half of the group ragequit
lol
the guy I had as tank kept dying all the time, was a pala
440 GS
warm plinth
I've not seen so many ancient acronyms used in one post in a while 😂
That's unfortunate for you.
carmine cipher
I was excited cas I got two of the junkyard rings (attacking from behind and hitting with 3 abikities) but then I got the heal 5 allies ring from workshop 🤡
neat rapids
forever support
wild sandal
for 15s , do i go VOP major or lucid? i dont do higher than usually
wild sandal
ok thanks