protection

[lusty grotto]

no idea if it has changed i suppose you would know

[ionic fern]

Still the same.

[lusty grotto]

hmm

yeah

[undone sun]

3-5 target patchwerk

ez

[lusty grotto]

but the question still stands, if i want to check out a random combo of corruptions because fuck TD... what would be the go to for M+

@exotic spoke see?

thyme got my back

[exotic spoke]

I told you, I gear for survivability in pushing keys so I don’t sim much for keys

[undone sun]

who's riki

[lusty grotto]

lmao

ya ya sorry riki sorry

[sick sentinel]

Hallo guys, pls, in plater addon, where do i switch position of names on healtbar of enemy😊its sobasic, but i cant find it

[jaunty aspen]

i dont think you can do this stock

try tidyplates

[sick sentinel]

Must be possible to move the position... Right

Just where is it in such a complex addon

[warm plinth]

@sick sentinel Go to the Enemy Npc option, then in the 2nd column at the bottom is NPC name text. You're probably after the offset/anchor options

[sick sentinel]

Hi, I have a question regarding corruption for m+ I have rank https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Tankian i have the 445 1 hand for a conal hp % corruption already, so i'm set onthat

i want to know how much is too much corruption before i am actively gimping my self on runs

[sweet summit]

39 is a safe max. you can go up to 59 in some cases, since we have spell reflect for the eye and thing from beyond

[sick sentinel]

yeah, cuz only other char with corruption is hunter, and i can run away and shoot it from afar

so it isn't really issue is it

[dark lark]

If you can't do game mechanics while dealing with Thing From Beyond, run less corruption

as a tank positioning is important so you dont have the luxury of running away

[sick sentinel]

TFB can occur while u enter spire correct?

[dark lark]

yes

[sick sentinel]

fack

[sweet summit]

it can proc on damage taken

so if youre not taking damage it cant proc

[dark lark]

I think it's just a random proc during combat

not damage taken

[sick sentinel]

what if say, i absorb?

priest/monk

[dark lark]

otherwise dps and healers never get it

[warm plinth]

It definitely procs on damage taken

[sweet summit]

it should be rppm, but yeh

[warm plinth]

Everyone takes avoidable/unavoidable damage sometimes

[dark lark]

not even per minute, because ive definitely gotten multiple TFB lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah originally it was supposed to be 1ppm but I’ve had 3 or 4 happen one right after the other before.

[dark lark]

can you reliably ask your priest or monk to bubble you from TFB

[sweet summit]

rppm doesnt stop back to back spawns

[dark lark]

within a few seconds?

[junior ivy]

hi

[undone sun]

hi

[dark lark]

yes there are answers to TFB as a prot warrior: storm bolt, spell reflect, intimidating shout, and cloak

[warm plinth]

No it doesn’t but it’s clearly not 1ppm if people get trains from beyond

[junior ivy]

i paid deposit on new puppy today

[sick sentinel]

so like, i'm a tauren so i could also use SB and WS to theoretically reduce chances to get affected by TFB

[junior ivy]

first half of the deposit

[warm plinth]

It really depends on how far away from you it spawns and how much corruption you have

[dark lark]

shield block?

[undone sun]

reductions shouldn't affect it

[warm plinth]

Storm bolt probably

[dark lark]

duh

[undone sun]

absence of damage do though

[sweet summit]

vers affects it doesnt it?

[dark lark]

yes you could use storm bolt and war stomp

[undone sun]

meaning proc rate

[sweet summit]

oh

[dark lark]

but if you need it for a cc rotation like in underrot

[undone sun]

verse wouldn't touch it

only the output

[dark lark]

then you might not have those stuns for the TFB

[sick sentinel]

WS would be iffy on actual TFB because 0.5 cast and short range

[sweet summit]

yea sorry i misunderstood

[dark lark]

or you might not have the reflect because you're reflecting something else

or you might need the fear

again, if you can handle it without dying

go ahead

but if you die and it's ripping keys or wiping pulls

then that's on you

[sick sentinel]

you just have to feel it out and practice i suppose right?

[dark lark]

yeap

could even be a dungeon by dungeon or boss by boss basis

personally i just stay 39 and under when im pushing

[lusty grotto]

i honestly don't go for TFB and stay sub 40

[sick sentinel]

i'm gunna run practice keys tonight anyways under 10 and just try to memorize routes, see if/how corruption changes me

[dark lark]

you can honestly go up to 39

and be totally fine

eye of corruption doesnt do shit to us

[sick sentinel]

i got 35 RN

[dark lark]

i literally just face tank it and throw ignore pain up occasionally

you're gucci

[sweet summit]

in dungeons like freehold, i do run over 40 when pushing. other, nah

[dark lark]

how many ranks of TD can we go?!

[sweet summit]

ALL OF THEM

[sick sentinel]

https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Tankian

[sweet summit]

jk i only have r3

[sick sentinel]

this is the character in question

[dark lark]

i can go up to r7

and sit at 109 corruption lol

[sweet summit]

curse you! how do i get more TDs lol

@sick sentinel what corruptions do you have available to you?

[sick sentinel]

@sweet summit

weekly today

[sweet summit]

that and searing flame?

[sick sentinel]

far as i am aware, or at least high ilv

i got r1VR 440 bracers

but i mean lol

the belt im at 35, and someone said stay under 39

[sweet summit]

with the weap and belt youre at 35 after resistance?

[sweet summit]

thats fine, pretty safe to play that

[sick sentinel]

@warm plinth thank you

[dark lark]

Tfw you int a 5mask clear because you overestimated gift of the titans

🤦‍♂️

[warm plinth]

😬

What did you die to?

[dark lark]

Void buffet + the giant creepy crawler

[warm plinth]

Oh, yeah

[dark lark]

Lol

[warm plinth]

Void buffet is spicy af on 5 mask

[dark lark]

Got a gift proc and was like YEET

[warm plinth]

Yeah basically where I have gift there is how I decide what I'm pulling. If it's not ready, I pull the left portal keeper/elemental first

If it's ready, I try to snag one of the patrolling smallbois

And try to proc it

[dark lark]

Yeah that's what I did too

Little eye tentacld

Procced

And leapt in like a dumbass :D

[warm plinth]

YOLO

Especially in visions 🙂

[dark lark]

Honestly that kind of thing doesn't bother me

It's when things outside my control

Like a headbutt into a river that I physically can't get out of

That really tilt me

Of course that isnt a specific example that's ever ever happened to me

[warm plinth]

I actually have a clip

of me getting headbutted into the river at the same time I got stunned by the poison, then because of the color of the river, I didn't see split spawn, and I moved right into split after the stun and died while disoriented 😂

It was the most tragic sequence of events ever

[dark lark]

Yeah that's exactly the kind of death that would make me smash my keyboard

Because of stupid random timings like that

If I fuck up, fine

If the game is stupid

Im going to lose my shir

T

[strong forum]

visions until r11 cloak were a major tilt fest

[warm plinth]

Yeah the jump to 65% was massive

[dark lark]

They're not even fun mechanics

That probably adds to the tilt

There's some counterplay, but overall they're just an annoying chore to get your sockets

[warm plinth]

Checking if this works. Not sure if it'll embed or link though

Ah good, it embedded

also I had no idea that guy even headbutted; I haven't seen him do it since that time

[dark lark]

It just shows as a picture for me on mobile :(

[warm plinth]

Oh, RIP

[dark lark]

It's the big beetles that headbutt

The spiders cast

[warm plinth]

Yeah, in this video it was the miniboss though

And he never does anything to me besides the volley and the breath

Never seen him headbutt me except for this particular time

Maybe it's not a headbutt; maybe he just charges you if you're far away

[ivory barn]

R6 Deadly Momentum vs R3 Deadly R3 Surging Vitality? also have the ability to do R6 Surging Vitality

[dark lark]

R6 surging vit

[ivory barn]

ty

45 Corruption to much?

[dark lark]

If you die it's too much

[mortal brook]

entirely depends on situation and group

[ivory barn]

I'll just stick with 20 then LOL

[mortal brook]

wpvp? i wouldnt run Thing. m+? might run thing, between me and my healer. raid reclear? heck with it run 90

25 for HoD*

[dark lark]

Yeah if you have heart of darkness you still need 25

So fudge with that a bit

[ivory barn]

i cant combo to get lower than 40 and greater than 25 atm

[stiff oracle]

Then play 40 or change heart

[dark lark]

Yeah see if you can swap essence

[gloomy cosmos]

Which one is better?

[alpine shard]

460

[dark lark]

460 gushing imo

[gloomy cosmos]

Very nutty

[alpine shard]

The socket outvalues the itemlvl and the corruption is stronger

[maiden ravine]

hah, my paladin got a 475 shield first

[valid sundial]

What is a good amount of haste % to stop at?

[warm plinth]

You don't stop at any amount of haste

[valid sundial]

cool

I was thinking it was over kill being at 163% with lust

[sweet summit]

never enough haste

[stiff oracle]

A good amount is vers

[twilit smelt]

is vulpera giga good?

for keys

[mortal brook]

gushing wound

[sweet summit]

vulpera is a durty furry race

belf is the way

[mortal brook]

ahem

jk, KT is a silly race

[sick sentinel]

vulpera is the best tanking race

[ruby nexus]

does anyone have wa for scorching feet?

[sick sentinel]

I just got Jes'Howler out of my Weekly chest.. I don't know how to feel about that.

[sweet summit]

Hey, at least its not

[sick sentinel]

bois

we have done it

officially

33% vers gain

and 3 surging vitalitys

[chilly brook]

If Kultirans were horde I'd play one

But my rogue is also a panda

[sick sentinel]

True it's not, but I'm rocking Sigl, Vial, and Vita.

[sick sentinel]

https://prnt.sc/rqfuh0

:>

102% vers new record

[oblique garnet]

But why

[echo inlet]

is the sporepod from underrot any decent?

[sonic tangle]

[echo inlet]

nice

Thanks 😛

[sonic tangle]

[warm plinth]

Interrupt the damn Healing Balm @sick sentinel 😂

[sick sentinel]

So I can finally do my 26 I need to do

I get one shot on 26s

barely survive on 25s

Need that vers

[limpid pawn]

is TD 4 better

or td 3+ the haste %

[sick sentinel]

td 4

you should be under 39 corruption with td 4

[limpid pawn]

wow really, is one more level of td that huge?

compared to say... 12% haste extra

[sick sentinel]

yes

use td

haste % is literally nothing

[last mason]

does the % mastery corruption include bom

[amber siren]

Yep

Actually

I’m not sure

[sick sentinel]

Yes it does

[round vortex]

Just use avatar. Check mastery. Put item on and see if it changes

[misty shoal]

Question, coming from a guardian druid... how can I handle magic damage? I feel stronger vs casters on my guardian because of the health pool. In high end groups I understand interrupts and stuns are on point, but in lower keys like 17s and 18s with pugs ints and cc are far from on point. Anything I can do to be beefier against magic?

[sick sentinel]

yes it does

the source gains affect everything

Spell reflect

including stats

[amber siren]

[sick sentinel]

And make sure interrupts are on point

[undone sun]

SR/SW/DS

[sick sentinel]

In high enough keys your abilities won’t save you tbh

They can save you from the one off things like missed interrupts, but some things just cut through you

[last mason]

Masterful is still dogshit though right

[misty shoal]

well all my warrior has is 3 masterfuls and 2 honed minds so I hope it's not the worst xD

Love this games rng

[sick sentinel]

It’s not terrible, but mastery is in general not an incredibly valuable stat for prot

Because of the amount we get from BoM

[ivory barn]

if you dont have a BoM piece tho Mastery sky rockets

[plush prism]

Carapace vs Blood Siphon generally?

[left hatch]

blood siphon

[plush prism]

stacking too?

[left hatch]

yes

[plush prism]

ty!

[ivory barn]

gonna cry fellas, its somehow a 1.2% increase with BfI + BR

[mortal brook]

cuz of the 5ilvl that isnt active on the one?

ooo i bet its undervaluing blood rite. you dont kill anything to refresh it

[chilly brook]

@mortal brook teach me how to prot pally

[mortal brook]

full duration sera, judge > all

everything else is filler

get a consc WA that noises at you

[chilly brook]

just sera on CD

[mortal brook]

aye

[last mason]

if i have rank 3 lucid why cant i buy rank 3 aegis from the vendor
when i could do that for dynamo after i got pp

[mortal brook]

2 cof 1st sera, 1 cof 2nd sera

lucid and aegis are different sources

one is questing, one is rep

[chilly brook]

this game hates my pally

[amber siren]

paladins out

[mortal brook]

squints

[amber siren]

[chilly brook]

It's r1 Void Ritual @mortal brook

[mortal brook]

f

plenty of xpack to get the good stuff

[chilly brook]

truuuuuee

Also plenty of the xpac to hate the game for not giving you the good stuff 😛

[mortal brook]

and by good stuff, I mean lots of TD

and eventually, get all the good combos for each corruption threshold!

behold

[undone sun]

❓

[chilly brook]

That's almost as bad of a naming convention as your transmog

[amber siren]

those names are

awful

[mortal brook]

give me better names

and my mogs are the best and you all know it

[chilly brook]

🙃

[mortal brook]

crap, you're right. i do have vague and bad names for my mog sets

[dark lark]

twiLUL dev

twilight kek

[sick sentinel]

Did you guys now that vers affects IP

[undone sun]

yes

[(0 + Attack power * 3.5) * (1 + Versatility)]

[sick sentinel]

My shield goes up to like 250k during procs

lol

think the highest I've seen it is 300k

[last mason]

What’s a good way to figure out which obelisks to take and where to place the portals in different dungeons

Are there any good vid series for that

[amber siren]

dratnos has a good series on his youtube explaining his routes and why he uses them

dont need to use the route but it gives a good understanding of the affixes this week and whats safe and isnt safe to pull

[remote python]

what do you think? Twisted Appendage r3

[amber siren]

p average

[mortal brook]

TA3 good ST. will beat IS on shorter fights or anything with an add

wont beat equivalent corruption in GW or TD for most everything tho

[ivory barn]

soo.... rank 6 Surging Vitality is so crazy

[glad mural]

is it worth jumping from 2 tier 1 TDs to 3 tier 1 TDs, if I'm going to go from 13% versatility to 8%? mostly doing like 16, 17 M+ atm

[dark lark]

Someone earlier was showing that he had 100% vers, 50% damage reduction

@glad mural I'd do it. At those levels your amount of vers isn't going to make or break your survivability, it's your ability to keep block up

[sick sentinel]

You should not need too much vers until you hit like 22-23

At that point shit trucks even with perfect play

[glad mural]

👍 @dark lark and @sick sentinel

[cinder storm]

I was stacking some corruption haste buffs but the only benefit I take from it is maybe being able to spam some abilities faster and maybe try a different playstyle? yet TD seems to offset that by just melting adds.

[mortal brook]

damage taken is significantly decreased by melting the mobs

[sick sentinel]

ye 3k vers is pretty low

[last mason]

Is crit actually worth stacking alongside haste in m+, or is that just some sort of on paper/unrealistic outside of a vacuum thing

Also is aegis rank 3 still bis minor in sub 20 keys

[undone sun]

crit isn't bad defensively, but you don't really aim to stack certain secondaries

[sick sentinel]

2nd trait of Iron Fortress increases block and damage or only damage?

[warm plinth]

Both

[left hatch]

aegis isn't a bis minor unless you're actively playing around it

without being in combat with 6+ targets its inferior to other things

CnS, Lucid and Sphere are better more consistent options in most situations

as minors that is

[chrome lance]

HoD active despite resitance ya? Or .... how the hell can I tell?

;D

[mortal brook]

post-resistance

[polar cloak]

should i run "brace for impact" or "clockwork Heart" already have 1 trait in brace for impact

[mortal brook]

need 25 active corruption after all your resistance

clockwork heart is 1600 stat. pretty solid

[novel temple]

so im about to do my first mask run

should i use the food that increases movespeed or the food that stealths nme

[warm plinth]

Stealth food isn't really needed. There's like one spot I might use it in SW and it's at the very start and doesn't save that much time

[polar cloak]

food that decreases ur disortaion by 20%

[mortal brook]

food that heals

[warm plinth]

The heal food or the movespeed food is what I'd go for

[polar cloak]

dont need food that heals cause u can pick up potions that heal 2%

[warm plinth]

Don't need food that decreases disorientation either; just don't get disoriented

[plush prism]

okay dumb question. was just in a +16 KR and the big corner pull before 1st boss kinda wrecked me---I was playing fine, SW up and blowing all cooldowns on rotation including Lingering Shell.

the healer immediately said TANK THIS IS A +16 WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOUR BUFFS YOU CHODE and then left the group.

I had food, just not a flask---was this dude honestly blaming me dying on not having a flask on?

[novel temple]

so move speed and kbabs it is

is there a WA or addon that helps me with the potions?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, sec.

https://wago.io/kxredzlg9 @novel temple

@plush prism Are you EU or NA?

[plush prism]

I'm NA

@warm plinth

[warm plinth]

Were your DPS kicking Death Chills?

[plush prism]

I was kicking as many as I can. DPS seemed competent.

But what killed me was one getting through

SO I guess not

[warm plinth]

Yeah idk. It's a rough pull but without a log or something it's hard to say for sure. 1 death chill getting through shouldn't kill you, but if you had like shield block down while the bone guards were enraged or something

That would do it

[plush prism]

it was three actually that got through

now that i look

so that's nice

do people actually expect a tank to flask up for a +15 though? it's like 1200 gold for some stupidly minor amount of parry and extra DPS, no?

[warm plinth]

I doubt he was talking about a flask

[plush prism]

i dont know what other "buffs" he could be talking about

[warm plinth]

What do you prioritize between Shield Block and Ignore Pain

[plush prism]

SB for sure, but on caster pulls i try to get as many IPs as possible too

[warm plinth]

Because that pack in particular has two iirc of the mobs that enrage when they get low. So if you drop SB for even a second, you could get chunked hard

[plush prism]

Looking at the log it wasn't that, I was getting hit for ~40k or under. one chunky hit for 114k but there were three deathly chills in a short time so that was the big damage

[pure ginkgo]

Trinket question: I've been using a 460 Vita with haste socket and 445 Rezan for most m+ runs, occasionally I use a 460 Sigil of Warding for the absorb shield. Weekly chest gave me a 470 Jes' Howler. Should I replace Rezan with the Howler?

[mortal brook]

simmable. jes is pretty low uptime for overall less avg stat than a rezan's. you should be able to sim against each other to get an indication of which is putting in more work for you

[pure ginkgo]

ok cool, i'll do that, thanks

[left hatch]

sigil of warding is also basically never worth using

[pure ginkgo]

lol my pocket healer has confidence issues, but yeah I don't feel like its doing much for me in m+. I've gotten some use in raids for tank swap hits

[left hatch]

well in raid the only real use is in mythic

things like 2nd ilgy beam, 2nd wrathion breath

etc

otherwise you flat out don't need it

and in M+ you'll get more defensively in most cases from stat trinkets

unless you're running above 20's and you absolutely need that absorb to live

and know you'll use it on cd

you reduce your ehrps more with something like wrathion, rezan, vita

just doesn't feel like it

(and thats ignoring sigil is just a really shitty version of psychic shell)

[pure ginkgo]

Yeah, those are the raid cases Im talking about. I dont run that high on keys. Thank you for the feedback

[lusty grotto]

so 6 of us from classic just grabbed 4 random people and got aotc lmao

fun fight

put "learning group with friends" and got all 10 aotc

[thorny tartan]

Fascinating

[lusty grotto]

indeed

[lean arch]

maut trinket any good?

[lean arch]

ok lol

nzoth is good tho?

[mortal brook]

nzoth is much better

[lean arch]

ok ty

[mortal brook]

but many things, like vita, are gonna actually put in more work, giving more rage gen, shield block overlap, ip that more than makes up for the difference

even if those things dont show up on the hps meter

[left hatch]

yeh shell is really good IF you need it to survive

and you're using it on cd

if thats not the case (which doesn't really happen till you break into 20 keys)

you're better off with stat proc trinkets

[lean arch]

im a pretty fresh alt, all i have are a fang and rezan's eye

[solid crystal]

hows this trink go for m+

[lusty grotto]

put your mouse over that

[lean arch]

in the garbage 😢

[lusty grotto]

and read

[solid crystal]

oh really?

Fuck

i had a 450 jes howler though

[lusty grotto]

type : literalgarbage :

ez gold or mats though 🙂

[solid crystal]

so 450 jes better? 😦

[lusty grotto]

yup

use it though

[solid crystal]

fk thats a rip

got dogshit shoulders from titanium residium too. Lose a bastion of might but gain 15 ilvl

Should i go ilvl anyway?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[solid crystal]

like real shit

what should i run on it?

[mortal brook]

IF/Sands if thats not your only DC/OP/RP

[sick sentinel]

Those shoulders aren’t that bad

I mean

[solid crystal]

i have one OP already

[sick sentinel]

Could be better

[mortal brook]

get more op

worth

[solid crystal]

dont have a DC

[mortal brook]

then take DC

[sick sentinel]

You need a dc

[mortal brook]

100%

[solid crystal]

yeah sweet

[sick sentinel]

That’s actually a decent roll if you didn’t have a dc lmao

[mortal brook]

also what are those numbers, some kind of whacky pawn thing?

[solid crystal]

err yeah like some Azerite Power shit for patchwork prot

[sick sentinel]

Seems like you should throw that addon in the garbage

[mortal brook]

your weights change every single piece you swap out, dont trust it explicitly

[solid crystal]

So go IF/DC/OP

yeah i dont take any notice of it

Resounding protection or intim prescence?

[mortal brook]

RP is bread and butter. intim is pretty niche

[solid crystal]

yeah use it on big pulls i assume

[left hatch]

intim has potential, but you gotta remember to use it, and risk having a stray mob pulling more

so i always default to something else

RP is a really strong set and forget that also scales off verse so

[lean arch]

what do you take on skitra shoulders?

[sick sentinel]

BoM HoD

[mortal brook]

bom hod the dream

[sick sentinel]

Just got me some skitra shoulders tonight

F I n a l l y

[mortal brook]

good work hawgz

[lean arch]

just scooped them

but cant hit 25 corruption lol

[sick sentinel]

WAT

[mortal brook]

run moar visions \o/

[sick sentinel]

Do a 4 mask and a 5 mask vision

Collect corruption

Equip said corruption

Profit

[lean arch]

imagine even having all masks

i just started gearing this toon and doing things last week

[sick sentinel]

Ah yes

Run wq

Equip all corruption

[mortal brook]

big boi world quest corruptions \o/

[lean arch]

i have ev3 and rp 3

but both give me 43

[sick sentinel]

So what you play prot just spell reflect TFB

[lean arch]

need to get this last upgrade on cloak for 50

[sick sentinel]

Are you afraid to run 43 corruption

[left hatch]

40 corruption is fine

[lapis tapir]

thoughts on ineffable truth

[oblique garnet]

Its very nice

[lapis tapir]

18 td and inef truth is a pretty good combo?

[mortal brook]

maybe drop to 17 TD

[lapis tapir]

tried, mother said no

[strong forum]

Ah you mean 18%

And not tier 18

Just say TD3 tbh, working in the percentages is weird

[mortal brook]

oh that makes more sense lol

[lapis tapir]

,,, ok t3 td with inef truth t2

or td3 with ineftruth2

[strong forum]

Ye that makes more sense

[left hatch]

td and If don't really have any syngergy

so if its what you got its a fine combo

but its by no means incredible

[sharp lotus]

Is it a bad move to have two OP traits at different ilvls?

[mortal brook]

nah, haste values will stack

[strong forum]

Why would it be a bad move?

What would make you think that?

[plush prism]

I can't get a TD for my life and it's making me want to dieeee 😦 😦 😦

[stoic harness]

how does one tank this week and not get told theyre too squishy?

[mortal brook]

eat food after pulls

[strong forum]

Press your buttons

That usually helps

[inner coyote]

Random question of the day, prolly been asked a million times. Does having mastery over 100% actually do anything amazing apart from Attack power increase?

getting so many Honed mind corruptions but no idea if having such high mastery is even worth it

[strong forum]

Nop

[inner coyote]

sigh, wtb TD man :/ think I'm on 4 pieces with honed 3

[strong forum]

Now you can skip having bom on pieces

[inner coyote]

yea I guess \o/ yay me

[strong forum]

But I feel you, both my 470s from visions have been honed mind gloves...

[left hatch]

the last week iv gotten 5 diff pieces with either mastery % or mastery proc

and im a havoc main now :/

[strong forum]

I'm vengeance Main soon

Have TD5, vers% 1 and 3, EV6

And surging vita3 475 gloves

Now I just need to get rid of my 1.7k crit....

I have crit on every piece on my dh..

[left hatch]

last i simmed vengeance for raid fill in tanking it wanted me to use EV6

but then our main tank came back

so didn't get to witness the glory

[strong forum]

It's about 10-15k dps

So not bad at all

Gib back old EV

I would destroy meters

[left hatch]

and yeh im in the same boat rn with vengeance, since everything is from havoc almost everything is crit/verse

have haste on like... 2 pieces including a ring

[strong forum]

I have 300 vers

[left hatch]

oof

[strong forum]

But 21% vers amp

[left hatch]

only a 6% amp rn but im starting to stack sockets on everything

yuuuge value

[sick sentinel]

Rank2 TD is still better than ev r3, right?

[left hatch]

yes

[strong forum]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

I got mine now from chest on 470 waist, item, wich i had 430 with ev3👍

[left hatch]

for corruption you can get into the habit of simming yourself

unless you're pushing high keys (like 24+) corruption has negligable impact on your survival

so just go with w/e makes you pump harder

[inner coyote]

yea, and it's not like prot warriors are struggling with survival on lower keys anyway ;P

pump all the numbers till you start dying

[sick sentinel]

I do, i just want to share my happines with you guys😀 when i said my wife i have TDr2, she didnt say anything positive😆

[left hatch]

yeh thats the other half of it, until you get close to 20 nothing is scary in keys

[inner coyote]

ye

[wheat ore]

Fairly new to prot and got this today, any good?

[mortal brook]

middle of the pack

Not bad, not TD

[strong forum]

The wrists on use effect is pretty meh, wrists with stats are better, the corruption is pretty good

[crisp zinc]

is this any good lol

[brittle owl]

you put that

and don't replace it

[strong forum]

Bis

[brittle owl]

until shadowlands

[strong forum]

^

[crisp zinc]

oh nice

[brittle owl]

unless you get a servant splitter with the same

[crisp zinc]

i thought it was bad as there are no stats

[brittle owl]

the effect is better than stats

[crisp zinc]

and i thought servant splitter was also bad

[brittle owl]

you thought wrong

[strong forum]

Na the effect is very strong

[brittle owl]

it slightly lags behind on large aoe

[mortal brook]

highest ST, gets beat out maybe at 4, 5 targets for a statted

[crisp zinc]

oh nice

[brittle owl]

but makes up for it in st and focus dps

[crisp zinc]

i thought i got shafted lol

ty guys

[left hatch]

and TD makes up for that lack of aoe anyway

[dim blaze]

Anything special I need to do to use the hammer to kill bombs in Mechagon WS 1st boss room? I had a tank tell the group to stay in the tunnel and he did it solo. Didn’t get to see what he did.

[sweet summit]

Just make sure they stay under the hammer

[dim blaze]

Well that’s easy enough haha

Will give it a shot

[amber siren]

im unsure if its been fixed, but the damage is increased with each add under the hammer

so try and get them grouped up

[jagged sequoia]

How good is racing pulse 3

[strong forum]

Pretty good

33% uptime

[jagged sequoia]

ok, i have tricky choices re gear for prot 😦

i have two of them

also t2 dev, t3 void, 801 versa proc etc

[strong forum]

Mh.

Td2 + versa proc + racing pulse

Ah nvm that's over 40

I'd run td2 + racing pulse that should be 27 right

24 if you've done a vision already this week

[round vortex]

Got me a 475 servant splitter, Cleansed that bitch but still tasty

[gaunt dawn]

Is this any good?
[Link of BiS item]

[maiden ravine]

rip, my holy paladin has a better rio than my warrior

[strong forum]

okay i win

i finally won

[ebon hound]

huge

[strong forum]

first good weekly chest of 8.3

god bless

[fathom timber]

I want TD but i keep getting EV

Which isnt bad

[young oasis]

Guys, is 475 Briny Barnacle good from damage done perspective or its shit?

[brittle owl]

[strong forum]

It's pretty good dps

For ST, in m+, not so much

[strange tide]

Man, I prayed really hard last night and got my 4th M+ chest bracers in a row. I’m gonna stop praying for bracers now

[strong forum]

Good suggestion

[arctic sedge]

Yeah I got my 3rd in a row belt piece. Ain't too happy.

[royal ivy]

Between this two trinkets which one will be better for mitigate damage in your opinion?

[sick sentinel]

bandages

[royal ivy]

thanks for reply 🙂

[regal star]

When would I use Aegis or Sphere minors?

[left hatch]

sphere is general use if you won't play around aegis

aegis needs you to be in combat with 6 or more things basically the entire dungeon

so pulling mobs into bosses and constant chain pulls

[brittle owl]

or when you'd get lower value numbers wise from aegis than sphere

i.e. kings rest or workshop

[left hatch]

yeh or on weeks you never chain pull like bolstering

[sick sentinel]

if you have vers % pieces, it helps aegis

[brittle owl]

^that is also a factor

[left hatch]

^ itll lower the # of targets to be equal to other choices

but the same can be said of haste%

[brittle owl]

you wouldn't go out of your way to build a haste% build though in the same way you would for vers

[sick sentinel]

haste % build is kinda scuff

especially when you get into higher keys

[left hatch]

thats very true

[sick sentinel]

because you just want TD for lower

andv ers for higher

[left hatch]

but if its what you got

its what you got

[sick sentinel]

ye

instead of 76 vers

I get 110

per 1 add

for aeig

aegis*

[left hatch]

so basically run it everywhere but WS

in that case

[sick sentinel]

mhm

3 adds is 330 vers

vers is more valuable than haste in higher keys so it's about 3 mobs until it's worth over other stuff

but the frequency of you being higher than 3 is so high

aegis blows sphere out of the water lol

[left hatch]

for sure

[sick sentinel]

[left hatch]

even in lower keys if you didnt have TD options

at that point more stat>specifics anyway

[sick sentinel]

you pull bigger with lower keys

ye

vers affects damage also

and leech

[brittle owl]

there should be a sweet spot for haste + some rank of TD corruptions

[sick sentinel]

IP shield

[brittle owl]

since TD is hasted ppm

[sick sentinel]

you have so much haste it really doesn't matter

with into the fray

and other ways of getting haste

[brittle owl]

but that's more of a "cuz science" question than anything

[sick sentinel]

the gain is minor

from td

[left hatch]

you're going to hit a point where the ICD of it is a limiting factor

if you try stacking too much haste proc

[brittle owl]

1 sec icd

so it doesn't matter

[left hatch]

mmmm i wanna say it has a 10-15s

[brittle owl]

you can lit proc TD back to back

[left hatch]

between procs

[brittle owl]

nope

[sick sentinel]

that's def not true

[left hatch]

maybe im thinking in pvp then

[sick sentinel]

I had 4 proc within 1.5 seconds before

that's pvp

err 1.5 seconds each*

[brittle owl]

its 1 and something seconds

[regal star]

ok no worries lol just trying to figure out what to buy really or if they were really worth buying

[left hatch]

chances are sphere is gonna serve you better

in terms of usefulness from keys 2-19 its Vop>CnS>Lucid>Sphere>Aegis>Null

[regal star]

would it be better running Sphere, C&S and Warden or Lucid instead of sphere?

[sick sentinel]

depends on your corruption

[left hatch]

excluding corruption i prefer lucid

but thats getting into feelycraft zone

[sick sentinel]

value wise sphere is better

[regal star]

I have only been able to get haste % and haste proc ones

[sick sentinel]

from actual stat point

so if you have haste %

use sphere

[left hatch]

then sphere is better

[sick sentinel]

both ways

it's better either way

lucid does feel nice when you have procs

but sphere just has more value

https://prnt.sc/rqukiu

man

so expensive

I needs it tho

I'll be under 39 corruption still

[regal star]

like im sitting at 29% haste without any procs just trying to figure out what to do lol

[rocky linden]

Is the fusion hacker proc good? It looks pretty decent

[sick sentinel]

it's good onst

[left hatch]

don't worry about your stat%'s

its actually meainingless

[regal star]

I havent been untill its same ilvl gear then simming it

[left hatch]

well there you go

there isn't a point where haste becomes bad

and something like verse only overtakes it if yo'ure pushing 24+'s

and need to make a build around it

[regal star]

yea i figured that out before i somehow managed to get to 99% haste and was literally spamming TC was unreal

[sick sentinel]

99% isn't that much

[left hatch]

^

esp if you're running haste corruption adn double haste trinks

[regal star]

Ahh yea fair enough just wasnt sure if there was a point I should swap Lucid to something else

[left hatch]

for general purpose

[brittle owl]

lucid major doesn't care about your stats

[left hatch]

more stats > specific stats

[brittle owl]

oh wait, you meant minor

mb

[regal star]

O damn ok then haha I really need better trinkets got a 460 Lingering and 430 Barnacle they just don't wanna drop for me haha

[left hatch]

uhhh

do you have literally anything else

[regal star]

Yea I know

[left hatch]

besides that pod

like even a 415 wq trinket

id use over it

or 420? i forget what the cap is now

[regal star]

I got a 417 mecha trinket without cyclotronic lol

[left hatch]

if it has the haste card in it is better defensively already

[regal star]

Yea it does

[left hatch]

there yah go

[regal star]

I'll use that instead

Okj sweet are there any specific ones I should be focusing?

[left hatch]

rezan, block, vita, dragonscale

[regal star]

Will try to do a normal clear since I got nothing from heroic one and keep spamming keys

[left hatch]

lfrs a thing too

either of the lfr trinkets would be a pretty decent upgrade

[regal star]

Ahh yea I forgot about LFR

[flat marlin]

Hello everyone, what do you guys think of Glimpse of Clarity on a Prot War? is it worth ?

[sick sentinel]

garbo

[short kindle]

so i jsut got my first 500 echoes on my warr and planning to mainly do m+, whats the best essence to go for first?

[sweet summit]

CnS or lucid

[brisk ferry]

which ones you already have is probably relevant information

[short kindle]

its new dinged so i dont ahve any substantial, r1 evelasting strength of the warden and anima

[sweet summit]

do mechagon and get VoP

[left hatch]

^ and use the echoes to buy CnS

[short kindle]

alright i get on to that

[sweet summit]

pretty sure you can do nazj and get lucid rank1 in a day or two as well

[sick sentinel]

Man is there a way to disable the root from conflict besides running sphere peepo sad

so I can just run conflict without worrying about root

Dam

I need to run with an ass rogue

full time dx

xd

[ebon hound]

Just use Dragon Roar :))

[sick sentinel]

4head

Why use dragon roar when fury already has a slow

🤔

[flat marlin]

i have the searing breath from wrathion and EV td 2

and got the glimpse on a ring (versa and mastery)

but yeah, glimpse of clarity may be garbo

[potent anvil]

But if you can't root, then you can't get bonus vers

I guess stun/kick.

[strong forum]

^

but going from 100% uptime to less than 30% on double vers seems like inting 🙂

[regal star]

3 Bom, 1 Deafening, Brace and Meticulous Scheming good? or would 2 Deafening and 1 Brace be better?

[sweet summit]

MS is extremely strong

id take the first option any day

[sick sentinel]

with stat %s being athing

stat traits will be infinitely better

Btw, what's the ppm for filthy Transfusion

[sweet summit]

2 + haste

[sick sentinel]

does it give you healing also?

[sweet summit]

"siphoning" it says, so i assume so

[sick sentinel]

so vers % affects it

[sweet summit]

yes

[sick sentinel]

bahaha

time for my 100% more healing from it

better than having IF with a 475 shield

[chilly brook]

Just go leech for even more healing

[sick sentinel]

I have leech

3 pieces have it

and I have shitty secondarys that increased my mastery and leech

[chilly brook]

[sweet summit]

thats a new one

[chilly brook]

Yeet

So is that

[sweet summit]

nah, derpingtoast has been dead for a while

[chilly brook]

Oof

[sick sentinel]

Running 113 corruption on vex isn't a good idea

Pulled threat on every mob and just beamed to death 😢

Doing like 140k

[chilly brook]

Lmao

[sweet summit]

epic

[chilly brook]

Just imagine if we never got the clap nerf

[sweet summit]

i do every night

[chilly brook]

If only the normies never caught onto prot

[sweet summit]

REEEEE

[chilly brook]

What was the percentage nerf again? It's been so long

[sweet summit]

100% to 30%

[shut summit]

Good ole days

[chilly brook]

The days of doing 100k before anyone knew what was going on

And having my DPS cry that it's not right that a tank is doing more DPS than them in dungeons in 8.0

But I missed most of 8.1 so I didn't get the actual glory of reaping

[sick sentinel]

aye

Got 110% vers

new record

Don't think I can get higher than that tho

that was every proc

Hmm

I need more %

source gain

[chilly brook]

What does that actually translate to

Cuz like no way its 110% reduced damage

Is it 55%?

Or does it DR at some point?

[sick sentinel]

55% dr

ye

[chilly brook]

So it just maintains the half of each percent of increased damage/healing becomes damage reduction without a clear diminishing return

[sick sentinel]

no diminishing return

at all

just straight damage gain

heal gaine

and dr

[chilly brook]

I feel like that's a "oh we never intended for this to be stackable to that extent"

[sick sentinel]

ye that's with vers trinket tho

[chilly brook]

Not like it's a huge deal corruption is kinda supposed to be that anyways

[sick sentinel]

and pure vers

every single piece I have is vers main stat

besides two

[chilly brook]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

and I have a lot of vers gain

I have versatile navigation

Jes howlers and badge

medallion*

[chilly brook]

I actually like howler

[sick sentinel]

howl is like 2x worse than medallion

Medallion does 200-300 more same ilvl vers increase

medallion is also 20 seconds

jes howlers is 12

[chilly brook]

I just like the fact that it's not just a static vers increase for yourself

[potent anvil]

I'm running full vers on TR and I hit 100% with just conflict major and full aegis stacks
Perma 50% dr

[sick sentinel]

This is life

live*

I'm doing this with live xd

[potent anvil]

I know, I'm just saying

I only hit 43% on live

[sick sentinel]

ye

rip

deswind

gib stormforge

[potent anvil]

I give you my blessing that one day you'll get one. Maybe

[sick sentinel]

good

now tag late

Kappa

[chilly brook]

I could only imagine how hilarious a fight like Fetid would be with current vers stacking possibility on a prot warrior

[sick sentinel]

Fetid?

[chilly brook]

Fetid Devourer from Uldir

[sick sentinel]

What does fetid do

that vers would make it funny

[chilly brook]

Like 400% auto attack every 4 autos or w/e

For the off tank

[sick sentinel]

what?

[chilly brook]

So they consistently got hit for huge chunks every 4 autos

[sick sentinel]

I have no clue how tanking that works

I've only started tanking in season 3

and played basically

[chilly brook]

The main tank took consistent incoming damage

The OT took clockwork huge hits

[sick sentinel]

what does that have to do with vers

[potent anvil]

Damage reduction, mainly

[sick sentinel]

just calculated

that 110% vers I got for like 1 second was 9460 vers

I only have 33% vers

so that would be 10595.2

if I get another 12% vers gain

which I will still be under 40

I'll be at 39

10595.2 divided by the point value is 124% vers

I need another vers % piece 😢

that perm bark with shield wall stacked on top Kappa

[olive iris]

hello i just started playing prot on a twink and already got vision of perfection rank 3 with echoes. so now that i got 500 again i wanted to ask what would be some good minor essences for mythic+ ?

[sweet summit]

cns

lucid

[olive iris]

ok thank you :)

[sweet summit]

since youre new, check out the guide on IV

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel the reason behind why I was wondering how it would play out with vers is cuz for example I could take a 120k hit from fetid and Crit Block it and was less than 20k so I'm just saying it would be hilarious to see something like that play out with current vers stacking

[lean arch]

how does visions gear work. do you get 3 pieces per week? 3 pieces per mask level per week?

and how are they to do as prot? my fury set is pretty gimp

[strong forum]

1 piece per vision

max is 470 ilvl at 5 mask run, if you do a 2nd 5mask run itll be 465 and so on

[lean arch]

not really what i asked tho

[strong forum]

thats exactly what you asked

you get 1 piece per vision, with no cap

[lean arch]

ive definitely done full clears with no loot

after doing a few

[strong forum]

if you wipe at last boss

you dont get loot yes

[lean arch]

a full clear isnt a wipe

[strong forum]

if you do full clear with no mask, you get loot once per cleared zone 420 being minimum

you get 5 ilvl per zone, so after 4 runs of no masks, you get no loot

[lean arch]

so what about if you do multiple mask levels

say start at a 3

then work up to 5

will that 5 still give 470 the first time

[sick sentinel]

yes

[strong forum]

you then get 460, 465 and 470

respectively

[lean arch]

so loot is tied to mask level

and not overall runs

[strong forum]

yes

[lean arch]

this is a pretty fresh toon, im only 460

with no good corruption

so idk how high i can go

i just got gift my last run

[strong forum]

then you should be able to do 4 masks

[sick sentinel]

what essences do you run this week?

[lean arch]

i do 5 mask carries for 1 person on my dk no problem, but idk my warrior seems so weak

[prisma crane]

no

[sick sentinel]

If it’s the highest ilvl shield you have

Use it

[prisma crane]

but if it's your best ilvl then keep it

[sick sentinel]

Otherwise

[prisma crane]

yea

[sick sentinel]

S c r a p p e r

That is a personal decision I refuse to Influence

just put other twilight pieces on

and use the better shield 🤷‍♂️

if that's your only twilight then uh

I'd use the 12 % xd

Tell that to my 8 TD

🏃

[lean arch]

i have 18 on my main and uh, 30 on my dk

[strong forum]

so TD3 and TD5

[lean arch]

but my main's al ock so feelsbad

wtb expedient

that 30 is without nzoth sword yet

one day i'll live the 200 corruption dream

[sick sentinel]

Tell that to my rank 14 td

72%

[warm plinth]

@strong forum glad I’m not the only person bothered by that lol

[jagged sequoia]

Faralos good?

[lean arch]

no

[jagged sequoia]

fair

just got hc

was hoping good for m+

seems like a bad version of td

[sweet summit]

it can be good if you play around it

[jagged sequoia]

ill keep the corruption on it for now i guess

[hoary tulip]

really poor dps versus TD

[steel spire]

anyone runing more than 40 corruption in higher m+?

[sweet summit]

sometimes yee

[steel spire]

i've got 59 with r3 TD and r2 TD

kinda scared to run tho

[sweet summit]

you have reflect, fear, stormbolt, shockwave and cloak if things get scary

you can easily deal with tfb in a lot of dungeons

[cinder storm]

r3 TD innefable truth and haste 12% total corruption 59

[sweet summit]

but its up to you and your healer

[sullen valve]

@warm plinth wowA is trash

@ionic fern is a loser

ARPIL FOOLS

GOTTEM

[warm plinth]

😂

[sweet summit]

[sick sentinel]

is there a cheat sheet for essences we want?

[strong forum]

ill take it

@sick sentinel #268491842637660160 theres a guide in there

[sick sentinel]

sweet!

NOO WHY CAN'T I GET THAT

Feet is the one piece I don't have vers on 😢

haste mastery tho

yikes

[ionic fern]

@sullen valve

[sullen valve]

Hello

[ionic fern]

[sullen valve]

🤗

Whats good babe

Also

why you attacking me

?

[ionic fern]

I'm protecting you.

[sullen valve]

but you're executing me

[ionic fern]

No.

[sullen valve]

Yes.

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/animation-movies-disney-wreck-it-ralph-wir-gif-14842512

[sullen valve]

after i called you cool

😢

[ionic fern]

I gotta do visions on my shaman.

As a healer.

.

[rigid dust]

ineffable truth really a horrible corruption?

[sweet summit]

nah, its decent

works with AM, so theres that

[rigid dust]

i figured getting blocks and wall/everything off CD is good

AM?

[sweet summit]

anger management

[rigid dust]

ahh

nice

[patent bone]

Hi, I noticed the corruption sims link in our pins is inactive now. Is a new one coming up in the future?

[ionic fern]

Oh, right, Raidbots only saves sims for 2 weeks.

Well, nothing has really changed when it comes to corruption.

[dark lark]

how much ilvl are you guys willing to drop for a more ideal corruption (TD, expedient, versatile, surging vit, ineffable, etc)? Pushing 21s atm

[strong forum]

for TD up to all ilvl

versa/expedient depends on the gain

[patent bone]

Yeah had wanted to send it to my buddy who took up a new prot warr

[ionic fern]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#warrior_protection?data_view=corruptions

Bloodmallet also has Corruption. 🙂

[limpid pawn]

When 5 mask carrying

The guy getting carried can just afk until thrall/aleria?

And get full credit?

[warm plinth]

Yes and no

[limpid pawn]

They will get the loot by no side chests?

[warm plinth]

If they want cloak upgrade items, they have to be alive while you complete the side areas. Which depending on their cloak level/research, could be easy or hard

[limpid pawn]

Got it

I’m wondering if it’s easier to have them play or not

[warm plinth]

They can still be by Thrall/Alleria, but if they aren't high cloak and have EE, it'll be harder for them to survive.