the Stormwind this week is prob gonna be the easiest in awhile
#protection
unborn fox
warm plinth
Eh, it could get easier if we ever get a week without split OR leaden
I think there's 4 total madnesses right?
waxen cradle
True but I was also soloing with 4 and RNG procced and fucked me
grand drum
total 3 i think
wooden radish
@warm plinth how are things going
unborn fox
It's just 3
chilly brook
Vengeance does need some serious looking at next xpac though without all the bandaids
unborn fox
So you always get split or leaden
warm plinth
Oh you're right, just 3. Explains why I couldn't think of the 4th one lul
unborn fox
And split is alot less cancerous in mage quarter than leaden
warm plinth
In Org, I don't even care what the madnesses are in the lost areas
unborn fox
My vulpera just keeps flying around 24/7
warm plinth
Like leaden foot, split, idgaf
chilly brook
Vulpera 🤢
warm plinth
It's just because of the layout and mechanics in Mage district that make me hate split/leaden
final mist
Why are none of you shitters playing elves
warm plinth
@wooden radish Things are going okay
final mist
Wtf is wrong with you
unborn fox
ye, mage is just poorly designed with leaden in mind
final mist
amber siren
elf 
warm plinth
99% of my characters are not elves
waxen cradle
Really mage is the area I hate the most, the old town one is easy as fuck really, mage with layout and split sucks
grand drum
i hate how theres 2 bosses in SW with guaranteed sanity loss
final mist
I can pull the three small areas basically at the same time
The two big ones I have to go slow because they fucking suck
Especially the mage one
And then alleria
Fucking Alleria
grand drum
the guy in trade that must be kicked every 5 seconds and umbric's cast that cant be interrupted because poly
unborn fox
the guy in trade luckily dies pretty quick tho, if you time it with gift
final mist
Works out better
grand drum
i play fury for visions
warm plinth
@waxen cradle You definitely notice the fucking snare those light-hunters do a lot more when leaden foot isn't active though 😂
unborn fox
Best thing is the grip in Shaw area, when they pull you into shit that stuns you (:
waxen cradle
@warm plinth Hell yes you do for damn sure
unborn fox
Running ahead to do a decent pull and they like "nope"
unborn fox
No clue what it's called, but it's like in the middle of the path between entering and at shaw
So whenever I reach the miniboss it just yoinks me back
warm plinth
Oh, probably the shadow-whatever guys
unborn fox
ye
So cancerous when you're rlly unlucky and get yoinked back into a split you ran out of
unborn fox
I usually do it in 3 pulls, trash + miniboss, then rest of trash + next miniboss then shaw
rlly risky with the informants tho if I don't proc anything
warm plinth
Well, I normally go into Old Town after having just procced gift on the last miniboss in Dwarven, so I go slow to give it time to recover
final mist
🤢
warm plinth
Usually proc it on the informant in the last pack, then go into the miniboss with that
final mist
I really enjoy that I can just go completely ape in Org and just get TD to proc once and everything dies
Esp in areas where I can just pull all the trash with the area boss
warm plinth
Man idk what it is but Alleria with her 1 eye is so much more irritating than Shaw with 3 lol
I swear the AI on that eye is super smart or something and always likes to prevent you from having a DPS window when you should have one
final mist
It’s just a dumb boss
Made worse because she doesn’t move
So you have to game her movement with the pillars
warm plinth
Yeah, I have a strategy
final mist
And pray the eye moves to a good spot
warm plinth
Wait for darkened, LoS on pillar
And magically she chooses that point to cast poly, so I awkwardly go back out to kick
Then wait for Darkened Sky, LoS, then she does void eruption
I cry a little inside
karmic meadow
If I do heroic visions as a tank does it effect the mobs in anyway (as a group) or does it just scale for the amount of players?
maiden ravine
I do alleria as arms just to have a good passive dot going
Plus lethal strikes to help execute as you run out of area
exotic spoke
Just in and out as prot with burst phases + cyclo / CoF / dresrgath trinket when up close between cyclo uses is what I do
sick sentinel
So temple of Sethraliss tornado is no longer reflectance this week since
You guys got more?
sick sentinel
There's been a stealth nerf
sweet summit
No
sick sentinel
Has anyone found more?
sweet summit
Can still do it afaik
warm plinth
How many times did you try to do it? Because people have just failed at it many times
sick sentinel
I haven't personally tested it but the team of a friend has tested it 5 seperate times controlled for interrupting gust/jolt
sick sentinel
And it targetted the tank
sick sentinel
To be sure
sick sentinel
Are you sure?
sweet summit
100%
warm plinth
Yes, it's always been that way
sick sentinel
Idk man the team is 3.7k or so I'd try it out somewhere other than your +22 to be sure
I'd assume they know how it works
exotic spoke
It’s always been that you can’t reflect if it targets the tank
craggy harness
you're only disagreeing with tanks that have done it since start of expac
exotic spoke
You can only reflect it if it targets someone else
craggy harness
there's also the jolt issue
sick sentinel
I'm not disagreeing but they're currently testing other niche spells like big slime in junkyard, can't get more info out of him atm
exotic spoke
#268491842637660160 check the document that has blockable and reflectable spells and abilities
Your friend is wrong
To put it bluntly
sweet summit
pffft 3.7k isnt high 👀
sweet summit
shut
tame garden
Link io
mortal brook
as a Twitch Chat Grandmaster, I may be a mere 1.7 io because theres several dungeons I still havent done this season, but I'm reasonably sure my armchair knowledge beats those elitist 3.7k'ers
sick sentinel
Nah you guys are fucked
mortal brook
sick sentinel
Next time you try it
tame garden
???
tame garden
Bro you just said they tried it with tank being the target
lucid dew
whats the best way to make gold
sick sentinel
It targeted someone other tank tanks and they kicked jolts
mortal brook
isnt it specifically if the tank isnt targeted?
exotic spoke
That’s fine - if he’s doing it when it targets him he’s wrong
exotic spoke
It is specifically when it targets other players
If he moves then it’s gonna kill him
sick sentinel
sweet summit
naowh
exotic spoke
Logs / vod proof please
sweet summit
naowh is raiding atm
tame garden
Lol
strong forum
The last time I did tos I reflected 1.6mil in a single cast
tame garden
So it only stops working in high keys or what
strong forum
That's about all I know on the matter
sick sentinel
Nah it goes right through but it won't be fatal
mortal brook
but its specifically if it doesnt target tank right?
strong forum
Yes
strong forum
It HAS to be on a different target than tank, then you could always reflect it
tame garden
Rosjen is on the case
strong forum
And you have to stand still
exotic spoke
The game thought he was moving and it looked like he was standing still on his?
sick sentinel
https://raider.io/characters/us/frostmourne/Rainons#season=season-bfa-3 match his s3 or s4 rio or b e g o n e
strong forum
Shush
tame garden
Yes I know who rainon is
I just want it confirmed
By top skyhold minds
Like rosjen
warm plinth
If someone is on on horde-side, we can go into M0 or something and try it
sweet summit
any alliance gamers?
tame garden
Gross
sweet summit
yikes :(
tame garden
Ghash
warm plinth
What
tame garden
Let's test it
warm plinth
👍
strong forum
To be fair
craggy harness
wipe rinse repeat? 😛
sick sentinel
Tank also stood still
strong forum
I have heard of it
sick sentinel
Looks like they knew how it works duh
sick sentinel
Alright good luck I suppose
warm plinth
What's your name/realm Speg
strong forum
Several people have mentioned you're only reflecting 1 of 4/5 cyclones
Now, but we don't have proof
tame garden
Sec I'm getting out of bed
warm plinth
Ok
sick sentinel
So it's no longer one spell but 5 seperate?
warm plinth
It was always 5 separate
sick sentinel
Hard to positiom for that
warm plinth
But you can reflect multiple spells if they hit simultaneously
sick sentinel
Ah okay
craggy harness
that's part of the shield reflect as you intercept thing, no?
*same
for other shite
sweet summit
i dont understand the question
warm plinth
Speg and I are testing this guys. FOR SCIENCE!
sweet summit
1v1 me and my boi
tame garden
😎
sweet summit
we're on our way
craggy harness
I remember being told when intercepting casters, SR if they all cast at the same time
sweet summit
oh you dont have to intercept
craggy harness
Sorry, lazy typing as I code in other screen
sick sentinel
Who will be the lucky guy getting blown up?
warm plinth
That'd be me
sweet summit
you just walk infront of him and press spell reflect
sick sentinel
Godspeed
warm plinth
Pray for me bois
sweet summit
🙏
craggy harness
for science
exotic spoke
Just because someone has a high io - doesn’t mean they’re right. It means they are good at that facet of the game. Those are two entirely different things
You can not know theory and be Shit at the game.
You can know the theory but be shit at the game
You can not know the theory but be good at the game
And you can know the theory and be good at the game.
So just saying “he’s high io so your opinions don’t matter” is a pretty close minded thing to say
strong forum
Facts
exotic spoke
He could absolutely be right. But I’d want to see logs / vods and have confirmation.
strong forum
For example fragnance, has very little knowledge of what actually does what in keys
You can often tell when you watch him
But yet he's mdi winner and btfoing everybody, but he's not the guy to ask for knowledge
exotic spoke
So he fucked it up or it was lagging. Or someone missed a kick
brittle owl
prob someone missed a kick
exotic spoke
I’ll attribute it to lag caused by ddos - causing a missed kick or game still thought he was moving
tame garden
👀
sick sentinel
Didn't you reflect jolt?
full monolith
that why I only reflect 2nd cast of Cyclone strike 😄 my dps always missing interrupt and there is no overlap
sick sentinel
And it wasn't just from 1 tornado right
exotic spoke
You can reflect jolts / gusts too. And probably should
strong forum
Jolts no, gusts yes
exotic spoke
Sorry meant gusts but yeah you know what I mean
strong forum
On the should part
sick sentinel
Alright confirmed that it's only non reflectable in 24 keys
exotic spoke
Depends - sometimes it bugs out 🙂
strong forum
:pepesaur:
sweet summit
exotic spoke
If it’s reflectable it’s reflectable
Given that you meet the criteria
It’s reflectable in 24s too
warm plinth
Uploading the log now
exotic spoke
A mistake was made
tame garden
so we were the right ones
sick sentinel
He's saying it still does reflect damage but only 2% hp instead of the usual 15%
exotic spoke
....
sick sentinel
Possibly doesn't scale up with keys
sweet summit
well, hes wrong again
exotic spoke
Logs pls
warm plinth
I'm working on it; I haven't uploaded in a bit so it's taking forever
exotic spoke
Because this is rapidly changing the argument
tame garden
ok so this i have heard
exotic spoke
Not you ghash
sick sentinel
exotic spoke
That’s possible. They did that in S2 or whenever with bloodbolt
sick sentinel
I don't understand what he means really
exotic spoke
To test it we’d need to try a bunch of different key levels
strong forum
It only makes sense, and since it's never been publicly accepted from blizzard as a bug, it could also be stealth nerfed to hide evidence of it being a thing in the first place
tame garden
lol
exotic spoke
To be fair
tame garden
stealth nerf to hide the thing thats been a thing for 2 years
no1 will notice surely
exotic spoke
Spell reflecting cyclone strike shouldnt work based on other interactions
But yet it does
strong forum
Same as ghuun thingy
tame garden
fecking blissard
warm plinth
tame garden
we got bamboozled ghash
warm plinth
It does look like it only reflected one of them each time instead of all of them
tame garden
the issue is the damage not whether the reflect works or not
strong forum
I'll do tos 19 sometime this week, will try to snatch a log
warm plinth
Unless it always showed as 1 hit (I haven't really looked at past logs)
strong forum
Check old logs
warm plinth
Yeah I'm gonna
strong forum
Maybe there's public logs
shut summit
right but just dmg nerf
warm plinth
Yep
So it is still 100% reflectable but it will not do the massive damage anymore
Just 1/5 of the massive damage
exotic spoke
It could scale differently or reflect different amounts yeah
sick sentinel
A sad day for humanity
warm plinth
Eh, we still have sisters, 1st boss shrine, 3rd boss shrine, consume
tame garden
next we need those bosses nerfed as well ^
strong forum
3rd boss WCM
warm plinth
3rd boss WCM, yeah
warm plinth
Literally just nerfed the one that was multiple spells at once, which they've already nerfed before with the G'huun shit
warm plinth
Yeah
exotic spoke
3rd boss shrine
strong forum
Has been mentioned
sick sentinel
yeah a sad day for prot, and therefore the world
warm plinth
Go back to bed Speg
strong forum
Going to bed now
warm plinth
I hear you; I can't go back to bed after getting up either
strong forum
Weak
sick sentinel
consume all has been confirmed to be non-reflectable for the entire cast
mortal brook
Wait they stealth put a ceiling of reflect dmg or something
sick sentinel
just first tick
exotic spoke
It was fun while it lasted
mortal brook
Big heck
exotic spoke
SR nerf was probably needed for balance.
exotic spoke
I blame the WA that added it to details
Wait - it still works on slimes in Mechagon?
tame garden
shoulda been nerfed a year ago
exotic spoke
So you just said that without knowing
warm plinth
Yeah most likely. That wasn't a spell reflect thing; that was just how the ability works
exotic spoke
Sigh
warm plinth
It only applies the debuff on initial contact
That's why you can dispel it and it not reapply on DPS
tame garden
yes
exotic spoke
@tame garden I mean you right
sick sentinel
only brewmaster can survive a +24 break spirit
tame garden
brew might be better for temple now
shut summit
never brew gang
warm plinth
Riki's like..."there's other tanks?"
exotic spoke
Lol
ionic fern
Wat
inland bolt
tbh brew is already doing the same damage as prot warriors overall
sick sentinel
name one thing prot has other than spell reflect
inland bolt
especially in higher keys
sick sentinel
ill wait
tame garden
shield block
sick sentinel
shit
inland bolt
just purify your physical damage
exotic spoke
Rallying cry
craggy harness
hmm. 432 without perfect essences okay to sneak into heroic?
exotic spoke
Safeguard
tame garden
ye heroic is meme
inland bolt
when do you need safeguard tho?
tame garden
just be the offtank
exotic spoke
I run with a spriest
tame garden
safeguard nice for eudora
inland bolt
i can only imagine TD last boss but even then people dont use it on prot
exotic spoke
So, Ur crawg for example
plush prism
heroic ny'a? idk who's gonna invite you at 430 1lol
craggy harness
forgot that i had 440+ at the start of 8.3
inland bolt
bro safeguard on that boss is literally useless with meta specs
tame garden
we dont all play meta mdi comps tho
inland bolt
you dont need safeguard for the lower key levels though, healers just heal it
exotic spoke
I understand. But with a spriest in 20+ we found having safeguard for tantrum helps
inland bolt
and theyre not gonna die without it, so why take safeguard over the increased range on clap
bro priest just takes sanctum
and have your healer use externals on the priest inbetween
1min external on first and third
strong forum
Increased clap range doesn't do a whole lot, rarely ever is smth outside of 8yards
inland bolt
you still have healthstone and healthpot left over, thats your priest/healer not playing well - it doesnt give an argument for safeguard
sick sentinel
just use resto druid so you can actually pass heal checks instead of doing 40k dps and wiping the team
exotic spoke
Shawruss I think that actually IS the argument for safeguard
inland bolt
??
exotic spoke
To help account for things that a person is struggling with.
Why wouldn’t I take added utility over extra range that in the vast majority of situations isn’t needed
inland bolt
bro thats your priest and healer being bad, it has nothing to do with a 'non-mdi comp' or 'shadow priest bad' logic
youre joking right
warm plinth
Btw, before we take this guy too seriously
strong forum
It's 8 yards vs 12 yards, you do realise that
strong forum
8 yards is already huge
modern brook
thats why healers exist
tame garden
why you need bigger clap
modern brook
4head
warm plinth
This is the same dude who said Nimchip couldn't have an opinion because he wasn't 1800 r.io
inland bolt
what
sick sentinel
me?
exotic spoke
And this is something that’s helped us get through it. It helps certain classes get through things.
exotic spoke
I’m not saying shadow priest is bad
plush prism
im relatively n1w here but he does just kinda seem like a dick by the way he talks to people lol
tame garden
nimchip cant have an opinion
exotic spoke
I’m saying they lack the number of cooldowns or the frequency of defensive cooldowns
tame garden
he plays classic
warm plinth
He's playing live again though Speg
inland bolt
no, you saying your priest and healer playing bad is not an argument for safeguard being good
tame garden
:0
warm plinth
I saw him yesterday
inland bolt
read what youre typing
exotic spoke
So what - I just tell them get better and never do that key again?
inland bolt
i never once said shadow priest is bad
exotic spoke
That’s fucking stupid
inland bolt
i gave you solutions
exotic spoke
I can instead be constructive and help them
modern brook
your healer can use an external
oblique garnet
stiff oracle
LMFAO
exotic spoke
It’s a team based game
noble ingot
exotic spoke
I can literally give up nothing to help them
strong forum
Oh god it's shawruss and rainon barrage again
exotic spoke
Why wouldn’t I?
inland bolt
1 min externals 1st and 3rd, defensive second, they have healthstone/healthpot left over to chill
warm plinth
Why wouldn't I use safeguard is my question I guess. I don't need the range on Tclap 99% of the time, and I'm gonna be intercepting people anyway for rage. Why wouldn't I add the damage reduction into it?
exotic spoke
And we found things like that didn’t work as well as safeguard
exotic spoke
You give up literally nothing to get utility
exotic spoke
You don’t need the range lol
stiff oracle
how dare you disagree with low io players
tame garden
🙄
strong forum
The range is quality of life, nothing more, nothing less
inland bolt
let me break it down
warm plinth
Alright, I'm out of this dumb shit lol. Have fun with this pointless argument folks.
inland bolt
very very slowly
exotic spoke
Let me break it down - different people value different things
I don’t value your opinion / your tone / or how you try to help people and come across.
So why don’t you just stop wasting your time
inland bolt
increased range on clap isnt just quality of life, it helps insanely with threat (especially when kiting mobs or chasing casting swarmers in your 'low' keys in your words)
and in a key like UR
almost every warrior is running Root Clap Major
modern brook
how the fuck u lose threat
inland bolt
with increased range clap youre controlling swarmers
and youre holding the pack together
allowing bigger pulls with deathspeaker packs as well
stiff oracle
bullfango is a chad he holds the pack together in a 3 yard radius at all times and plants his feet
inland bolt
lmfao
stiff oracle
and never loses threat
strong forum
Imagine thinking 8yards is small
exotic spoke
Meh - try not being so condescending and maybe people will listen
inland bolt
yeah skittish doesnt exist and everyone playing with rogue ('mdi' comps in your words)
modern brook
how the fuck u lose threat tho
tame garden
losing threat when you have a rogue sounds kinda scuffed
strong forum
It's a massive radius in itself already
oblique garnet
I mean you both have a point
modern brook
like honestly
inland bolt
just read what youre typing
oblique garnet
But theres no reason to be condenscending
sick sentinel
wrong @oblique garnet
plush prism
yeah not gonna lie i have zero interest in what these dudes are saying because they're condescending af
sick sentinel
there is a need
inland bolt
yeah I apparently called him bad for being 1.8k io when thats never happened once
i dont even know what IO any of you are
sick sentinel
3699 rio
oblique garnet
You did in s2 but you have since made a new discord or left so your messages are gone 🤷♀️
inland bolt
you can check for history on the old discord then
mortal brook
- I cant go any higher cuz 'Murica
inland bolt
im very curious how I called out a '1.8k player'
and how its relevant to this argument
oblique garnet
its not relevant to this argument
warm plinth
I mean, no one has mentioned that for like 10 minutes, idk why you're bringing it back up
stiff oracle
when the only argument someone has to safeguard not being required in low keys is that their beliefs shouldnt be criticised because they are low io
🤔
any experts in this discord?
warm plinth
Literally no one said that btw
exotic spoke
I mean - no one said that
tame garden
the argument was non meta comp
warm plinth
You're actually making things up now
tame garden
no1 said low keys except you
plush prism
lmao
sick sentinel
I can literally screenshot someone saying that
warm plinth
No one said that the argument for safeguard is that people with low io shouldn't be criticized
mortal brook
dang, The Expert isnt a title i was gonna be sassy
sick sentinel
low rio players are untouchable
exotic spoke
I said I run safeguard because in general you don’t need the extra range and it’s worked for us as we push keys to give an extra external
Not all players can play as well as others. Why wouldn’t I bring something to help keep my group alive when I’ve found that I, typically, don’t need the extra range in thunderclap.
If / when I do need the extra range on thunderclap things will change
mortal brook
that. sounds reasonable?
plush prism
honestly you're all fucking wrong, Bounding Stride or bust
exotic spoke
^^
tame garden
^
warm plinth
^ this tbh
plush prism
if heroic leap isnt on cooldown you're doing it wrong
mortal brook
exotic spoke
Especially for those transmog runs and taunting more
inland bolt
warm plinth
Daily reminder that heroic leap resets taunt CD
And that wowA is good for prot warrior @sullen valve
inland bolt
sick sentinel
ive never played prot or warrior and i knew that
inland bolt
@modern brook
tame garden
you clipped out of context lol
plush prism
please stop, we're talking about heroic leap now
warm plinth
It's a pretty commonly occurring thing in here Desra; people realizing that for the first time XD
stiff oracle
yea this is so out of context
warm plinth
Casuals smh
modern brook
@inland bolt take ur head out of ur ass and read
exotic spoke
Except they were dying without it. We started using it last season on a tyrannical / grievous week. Since then when a dungeon has a lot of things that target random players I’ve taken it and it’s helped
sullen valve
Imagine not knowing all the interactions
inland bolt
what are you even typing there @modern brook
literally what was the point of that statement when I said externals are better used there
exotic spoke
So, rather than yell at them / berate them / just tell them to play better / do something they couldn’t or were struggling to do
I changed specs to give them utility. Why wouldn’t I?
warm plinth
Yeah, it's usually not like this in here
craggy harness
probably need a channel #theory-warfarre
plush prism
grievous + bolstering + coronavirus has us all on edge
inland bolt
@exotic spoke or you can tell them what spells to use, what order to use them in and help them improve? instead of using bandaid solutions
🙂
stiff oracle
Its just weird to see people agreeing with taking something suboptimal because they are playing suboptimally
and people agreeing with it
very sus
echo chambers
inland bolt
his argument was that shadow priest needed safeguard to survive tantrums on crawgmaw
exotic spoke
They were already trying different things and I’m not as well versed in their classes
If they were already struggling why wouldn’t I?
inland bolt
and i gave a solutions with how to use defensives
plush prism
again, fuck literally everyone else and take heroic leap
craggy harness
Hmm, I feel the last time I actually was in a channel like this was probably in my cs days
exotic spoke
No, my argument isn’t that shadow priests need it
craggy harness
back on mIrc
tame garden
ok and if your healer isnt a rdruid with 1min external
exotic spoke
My argument is that my group needed it
tame garden
or you have 2 spriest
stiff oracle
easy fix @tame garden
exotic spoke
Those are drastically different things
strong forum
Inb4 reroll
plush prism
stiff oracle
if its a low key like you've said, you just use disperse on 1st, healer external on 2nd, healthpot/healthstone on 3rd
tame garden
no1 said low key
stiff oracle
its not hard at all
inland bolt
you said 20s, bosses at that level will generally die by third tantrum at most
exotic spoke
But yeah. I’m going to stop responding to you cause it’s obviously a waste of my time.
So hope you two have a great day
craggy harness
elbow bump for respect people.
tame garden
nah stay away
inner palm
hey i just heard rumors, that i should roll for dps instead of tank for some good corruption effects like TD or EV. Anyone can confirm this?
craggy harness
but but, Biden and Sanders did it
warm plinth
That's completely made up @inner palm
inner palm
-.- 2 months of wasted rolls most of the time. thanks blizzard
craggy harness
did you have a 475 shield?
sick sentinel
nice communist propaganda
inner palm
dont have 475 shield yet
craggy harness
As a Canadian... i just love the knee jerk automatic call out of "socialist/communist"
smh
sick sentinel
because canada is a socialist cesspool
craggy harness
Mmmhmm.
plush prism
Canada is awesome
strong forum
Politics 👉 🚪
craggy harness
Well, glad I'm getting a better measure of you
strong forum
Fuck outta here
tame garden
c e s s p o o l
plush prism
anyone who just blankets out the word "soCiAlIsM" doesn't have a fuckin clue what socialism is anyway lol
strong forum
Shush
plush prism
but Canada made hockey, so they win
strong forum
Politics are retarded
plush prism
hard to say, people actually strapped knives to their feet and started skating a long-ass time ago
i saw a painting in the Reykjavik from like 1600s of people skating around with sticks
craggy harness
still have to laugh at the idea of the first person who thought it was a great idea
plush prism
laugh at the idea, then memorialize them eternally. hahaha
i love hockey and skating so much
craggy harness
I mean it makes sense, but it still feels funny in my head
I live in Ottawa, but the canal didn't stay open long enough
:/
sick sentinel
Boy
I had some TD procs ROLLING on xanesh last night
It was RNG unlike anything I have ever experienced
mortal brook
and then someone missed an interrupt and the dream was ruined
mortal brook
wow
sick sentinel
My parse remains eternal
I finally get to be one of the people with a good parse who didn’t earn it and let me tell you it feels fantastic
strong forum
You ran vop major
🤔
Why
I mean grats on rank 5 with non St build but...
Coulda been more :p
sick sentinel
I literally do not attempt to change my essences on farm
Or
What I thought was farm
And to be honest
...I forgot
And like I said
I get to have a good parse that I did not earn
And THAT
Is battle for Azeroth
sick sentinel
I really have not liked playing devastator this tier
It feels much more clunky than previous tiers to me tbh
strong forum
Why would it be any different
sick sentinel
It’s not
strong forum
That's why I'm asking
sick sentinel
But it feels different
strong forum
Not enough leech
sick sentinel
You’d be right if you said that
terse dragon
Is spell reflect for temple still weak?
sick sentinel
But not as strong as having stagger
sick sentinel
Excuse me
sand egret
you're excused.
sick sentinel
Stagger is for people who drool on their keyboards
strong forum
Don't take the bait
sick sentinel
Am I the bait
sand egret
hello rage friends
strong forum
There's alot of tips to be had Vito.
What are you looking for specifically
Survivability or dps
sick sentinel
I can give some tips on how to take damage but over a certain period of time instead of entirely front-loaded
erga*
sweet summit
bronze fossil
@strong forum dps mainly im or with surviv i am spamming shield block with ignore pain and also using last stand in between blocks
strong forum
Crucible Major
Formless void, Null Barrier r3, Conflict r3 minor
Dps trinkets like vita / coral / inkpod / butcher block / cyclo blast / dragonscale
sweet summit
for dps
strong forum
Those alone will give you 10-15k dps boost if not more
If you want more on paper stuff, consider simming on Raidbots.com
strong forum
you only got 19k from TD
not cheesy enough
boost had 23k 😏
whats the PPM on tradewinds
sweet summit
1 rppm +haste
gritty rivet
does simbot show which traits to pick?
strong forum
yes
gritty rivet
how ?
sweet summit
for damage, yea
sweet summit
click any of these traits and he sim will tell you whats better for damage
sweet summit
you only want one crash
sweet summit
fill the rest with brace/iron fortress/HoD
gritty rivet
so i can do crash/bastion/bastion
sweet summit
yea
sweet summit
blaster master
strong forum
was more referring to the choice of sockets for the sim
apparently im literally at breakpoint of 3 different stats
lucid dew
do you guys typically run infinte star in raid?
sweet summit
never enough haste
lucid dew
usually just use your td build then?
sweet summit
IS can be ran on wrath, maut, shadhar, xanesh, "raden", maybe even carapace
maut is scetch tho, raden and carapace its just for extra last phase damage
lucid dew
what about mindflay then for other raid bosses
astral brook
On Fury of N'zoth, is it an exploit to spellreflect the Black Scar?
sick sentinel
Why would that be an exploit
sweet summit
you should do so
chilly brook
Idk how reflecting anything would be an exploit....
astral brook
Well, you can pretty much 1 tank it then
sick sentinel
On heroic, yes
chilly brook
Wouldn't be the first time
There have been bosses that allow us to solo tank because of reflect
exotic spoke
On mythic two prot warriors can reflect every cast from what I hear
sick sentinel
Yes
I have heard this as well
Which makes the boss
Ez mode
But I’d be willing to bet at least $100 that I would forget to reflect like 6 times
chilly brook
Is the world first over I assume it has been
sick sentinel
Like method/limit world first or famed slayer
Cause world first race has been over for a while
chilly brook
Wait did limit actually win it?
pseudo depot
merektha's fang vs big red button?
sweet summit
anything else u can use?
fang is better damage but riskier, as you cant mitigate attacks while channeling
pseudo depot
with a well timed shockwave it's possible
sweet summit
what if mobs are heavily DR'ed, or mobs that are immune in that pack?
chilly brook
Lots of immune mobs
sweet summit
its not badbad, its just very risky imo
chilly brook
I mean
mortal brook
Area is slightly bigger than the animation, and the channel is hasted. Its perfectly usable
clear mica
hello guys, quick question... heart of darkness or gathering storm for arms?
chilly brook
Uhhh
exotic spoke
I wouldn’t use either in a key that matters. But in lower keys, whatever that means to you, probably merekthas
exotic spoke
Because in keys that matter - you don’t want to use a stun DR just to get a fang off
sweet summit
that too ^
sick sentinel
I am no god, but ask away
sweet summit
hawgz is here yea
graceful hound
so i have heard from some people to stack the living shit out of haste
and others say go for 25% haste, 15% versa then crit > mastery
sick sentinel
Yes. When gearing you should prio ilvl > haste > Crit for m+
sweet summit
ilvl>haste>crit for m+. no break points
sick sentinel
Do not worry about specific %
graceful hound
even for the higher end m+? versa isnt above crit until a certain point or?
exotic spoke
Especially since TD procs are influenced by haste
sweet summit
can be for dps
sick sentinel
Crit scales well defensively in m+
graceful hound
im getting a 445 boe ring with TD18% in 3 days just waiting for the transfer back xD
got a 475 socketed Fang from weekly chest and i love that trinket, so haste makes sense
im just abit unsure about Versa VS Crit, for a few %
left hatch
go with w/e your highest ilvl is
and if its a tossup between the 2 and you care about M+
strong forum
someone loan me 4mil gold
strong forum
warm plinth
Jesus
strong forum
its up for 3.8mil
graceful hound
like right now i can have 21% crit (1150) and 32% haste (2050) and 8% versa which is 700 versa
warm plinth
Buy it
strong forum
loan me that
warm plinth
What are you waiting for
sick sentinel
I tend to stack haste>Crit at equal ilvl
strong forum
IM BROKE
sweet summit
@graceful hound stat % do not matter
graceful hound
or i can go 13% versa but drop a 400 haste for it 😒
warm plinth
Join Gallywix
strong forum
im in RCU
warm plinth
I don't even know what that is
sick sentinel
Never drop haste for vers
sweet summit
dont drop haste at equal ilvl pieces
graceful hound
alright, thanks guys
strong forum
thats the Alliance equivalent of Gallywix
graceful hound
my reasoning on stats has been reinforced, feelsgoodman
warm plinth
Gallywix does both sides sir. They're bifactional 😉
left hatch
the point where you stop wanting haste is like 150%
warm plinth
SEE WHAT I DID THERE?
left hatch
thats the only breakpoint
graceful hound
until i get the 465 Fang on my DH, despite being Str, i will "main" warrior for m+
sick sentinel
Where rosjen with the two haste trinket gang
strong forum
so is RCU ghash
sick sentinel
How fast do you clap my man
strong forum
i myself am Scale Vita gang
sweet summit
very fast
sick sentinel
Because rezan does not wish to loan me his eye
sweet summit
his eye has a hole for me
graceful hound
475 on this alt now..
sick sentinel
What is “alt”
graceful hound
its my 2nd character, the one i do a weekly key on and maybe 1 or 2 when i am bored xD
sweet summit
yea
sweet summit
PogYou
graceful hound
our community has not progressed far enough to where i can get 2x Heart of Darkness 😕
sick sentinel
That’s ok. It’s good, but MS and clockwork trait are right around it and they can be obtained without raid
sweet summit
graceful hound
i got 3x Bastion 2x DC 1x Clockwork for now, seems like a good enough setup for me
sweet summit
2x DC isnt exactly what you want
left hatch
cause thats... not really worth stacking
graceful hound
Bloodsport or Callous Reprisal
left hatch
carry on
strong forum
yikes
left hatch
lul
sweet summit
unluck
sick sentinel
LOL
graceful hound
keep in mind i only do m+, for the most part
sweet summit
keep the 2nd dc xD
left hatch
even in M+
strong forum
its not dead, but its not desirable
graceful hound
true
left hatch
DC got nerfed heavily after S2
sick sentinel
Stacking dc is literally only worth if your options are the ones you have
graceful hound
yeah i understand xD
left hatch
bloodsport is the worst...
sick sentinel
That’s a rock solid setup nome
sweet summit
stop flexing nome :(
sick sentinel
I will get vex chest tonight
sweet summit
so will I
strong forum
i think ill never change azerite anymore
sick sentinel
I am manifesting
sweet summit
next week ill gample mecha shoulders, i feel it
sweet summit
IF and BfI is the same block value increase, ye?
exotic spoke
No, I don’t think so
strong forum
sure you get heavy DR from the block value, but it gains insane value the higher dmg you take
with BFI i have several thousand block value more
exotic spoke
I think the BV are slightly different
sweet summit
close
strong forum
assuming i have 3 stacks of BFI at all times, this slaps
left hatch
even a generous assumption would be 2 stacks rolling even in aoe
so you get double the block value ish
at minimum
sick sentinel
Got myself two BFI currently
exotic spoke
I have 3 BoM, 1 dc, 1 heart of darkness and I can’t remember BfI?
sick sentinel
I really want HoD
But tokens every week does not matter to blizzard
should i have 58 corruption?! cuz i dont wanna get rid of 50 of it lol
left hatch
58 is fine
sick sentinel
I had some real spooky moments with TFB yesterday
sweet summit
did you yell at the healer for not healing enough?
sick sentinel
When 4 were out I just started yellin “ooooooh no”
They usually react when I do that
sweet summit
good
sick sentinel
lol no i didnt yell cuz they didnt do enough healing.
Always yell because they didn’t do enough healing
If it doesn’t 1 shot me
Not my problem
sweet summit
fact
sick sentinel
gotcha
am new sorry
if im not at 110% hp its not enough healing
Now you get it
Steve is here
🏃
mortal brook
imagine nerfing SR this much then just not mentioning it at all
keep up the good work hawgz
warm plinth
What do you mean "this much"? It's one mechanic on one boss
mortal brook
D: until the next nerf on the next ability!!
sick sentinel
Hey ghash
warm plinth
Hi Hawgz
sick sentinel
How are things
Teach me how to play VDH
I have heard I run gluttony build and press shear
Can you confirm
mortal brook
:shear:
sick sentinel
I suppose I will make an alt now that blizzard has enabled me to do so
warm plinth
sick sentinel
Maybe I’ll make a bear
sweet summit
nah, another warrior
sweet summit
bis gameplay
strong forum
bis survivability
sweet summit
cant :(