the defensive value of corruption is basically meaningless
#protection
left hatch
marble wave
guys, someone know how the naowh use merekthas with mass taunt essence? just seen how he does about 3x more damage than our war doing same, any hidden tricks? ;D
hallow dew
Ight question as I am arguing with my Class lead on this. Anyone know if for Orcs is Deathbringer the best MH until Nefs axe?
hallow dew
Boom thank you!
quartz mist
seein like 50% of top wars using lucid mem or visions , hm
over*
for major that is
exotic spoke
I mean - they are pulling around lucid or CnS majors.
Chances are - if you’re asking about it you won’t be properly utilizing it and it’s not worth using
They use it because it enables huge pulls when done properly but that means keeping things locked down with kicks / stuns / etc so it’s not even all on you - but your group too
exotic spoke
Desert
quartz mist
gotcha ty ty
exotic spoke
For defensives
If you’re talking dps then it’s better to sim yourself - but for m+ desert is probably still better
left hatch
@quartz mist check second pin
daring sable
okay... mhh hard decision i know ilvl is king:
https://i.imgur.com/fqQ33FW.png
for m+
left hatch
big ol writeup on why highest io warriors use one thing, and why that doesn't make it meta or even good for 99% of the playerbase
why is that a hard choice?
haste crit and a corruption
sick sentinel
Sockets add little value on legs
left hatch
seems like an absolute win
left hatch
np
sick sentinel
You can’t use both corruptions?
left hatch
and dont you have budget for both a epedient 3 and Twisted appendage?
cause appendage is really good st
sick sentinel
And unless you are haste starved I would opt for the appendage
blazing gale
@exotic spoke yea thaanks bastion ftw
exotic spoke
@ionic fern good write up. I didn’t know about it until Morrison told someone else
You’re doing well qtpie
marble cipher
Is this one worth going over 40 for?
left hatch
iv been running 58 outside of temple and shrine
regardless of the level
so id say yes but
also have an understanding with my healer
marble cipher
I'll give it a go, first time I'll have Thing in M+
left hatch
if you have a consistent healer you can ask them to get a WA
that pings them when their focus target has TFB on them
as a heads up in case you gotta eat it
daring sable
https://i.imgur.com/cvVSBJP.png is this any good?
left hatch
one of our bis
exotic spoke
Yarp. It’s good and one of the pieces I’m saving for
ionic fern
@exotic spoke ❤️
exotic spoke
How goes pushing mwahi?
ionic fern
In all honesty - i haven't done much. 👀
exotic spoke
Lol fair
ionic fern
Been doing just the weekly key.
Trying to fool around on other classes etc.
What about yours?
exotic spoke
It’s going. Missed some good time on push weeks but getting higher. Going for 3200 next week. I’ll need like 400 points but I feel that’s doable given my io
ionic fern
exotic spoke
Almost 2800 with a 17 and 5 18s lol
Just gotta get those to 20s and it’ll be like 3100
So I just need time. And maybe if my office closes I’ll have time by self quarantining 🙂
ionic fern
Not closed yet?:o
left hatch
stay safe and healthy qtpie
exotic spoke
Non essential personal are working from home. I have to be in the office. There’s about 30 of us total for now
Spread across a large building - and they’ve upped health and safety protocols.
It’s slow but for now - I gotta be there. If I’m not then no one gets paid really
warm plinth
Yeah you definitely want to avoid me catching up to you @exotic spoke That would be bad 😬
warm plinth
I'm sure I will. We were 5 1/2 mins off a 20 shrine the other day though so I have faith
Our first 20 even attempted
exotic spoke
I know qtpie I’m just giving you a hard time
daring sable
meticulous vs brace for impact
i got a 475 shield :-)=
still a bit unsure on this one
left hatch
MS
is one of our 3 best traits
(outside of BoM and first DC)
alongside HoD and Clockwork Heart
fervent harness
what essences do people like running in visions?
left hatch
VoP major, Sphere, Lucid, CnS minors will serve you in like 90% of keys
fort week or if you make sure to pull trash into bosses aegis is decent
oh im sorry, misread
for visions CoF major
Cns minor, VoP minor and... idk kinda up to you
fervent harness
thanks 🙂
ivory barn
got for better shoulders or 480 rando chest?
sly vine
Hey guys, still learning prot in M+. Question: how should I deal with this week Shadow of Zul in KR15? My ilvl is 465, using pretty standard M+ build, and this is the only part in the whole dungeon that was difficult. I was juggling cooldowns, spamming ignore pain - still used all of our battle res charges here. Any tips?
left hatch
chest for sure
that ilvl boost will do more for you than better traits
also whats the generic trait on the shoulders
cause callous does basically nothing
ivory barn
Ruinous....
left hatch
id go that
ivory barn
I was told no stay CR earlier
ivory barn
I only use Revenge on Free! proc lol
left hatch
eh even more reason for bolt imo
left hatch
how would it ruin M+ runs? 😮
sharp night
it can and will pull things
left hatch
oh ok
sharp night
and break ccs
fervent harness
oh also, i assume you run booming voice in visions too or do you want the st dps?
ivory barn
if you need me im throwing my pc in a dumpster
left hatch
still better than a 460 tho
sharp night
my favorite chest 🙂
ivory barn
no it drops BoM...
sharp night
i have gotten it 8 times in the past 2 seasons combined
ivory barn
i have that on my helm already
ivory barn
but that drops my only BoM trait
left hatch
that doesn't matter
the only trait worth ilvl is our first DC.
if you need more convincing you can ping Nomretaur or Mwahi about it
or that qtpie @exotic spoke
but BoM is in not worth 30 ilvl
ivory barn
its from 465 to 480, so 15 ilvls. I've gotten hella used to that playstyle but eh
left hatch
the playstyle doesn't change
the only difference really is mastery will be slightly more valuable to you overall than it was
you wont get a free IP when you hit avatar
and Avatar is now slightly less powerful
in exchange for being more powerful overall
chilly cradle
hey guys 1 question how many haste, mastery, versa and crit you guys have ?
left hatch
there isn't a strict % to shoot for
more stats > better stats
for M+ you wanna aim for Haste>crit>verse>mast
for raid its
Haste>verse>crit=mast
assuming equal ilvl
personally I'm at 1393 crit, 1527 haste, 612 mast and 1048 verse
base values, before any procs buffs etc
chilly cradle
okay thank you very much 🙂
stone lodge
guy can i ask your opinion ? rezan's (465), butchers block (465) and dragonscale (460) which two would you use for m+ ?
left hatch
rezan and block
left hatch
over what tho
stark scroll
EV on ST is kinda like a good trinket, surprised it sims better than TA or TD though
hallow phoenix
i used it some last night in heroic and TD generally performed better
stark scroll
Yeah that's always been my experience
hallow phoenix
yeah on fights where IS wont perform well its saying TD3 + EV2 now
stark scroll
That makes more sense
hallow phoenix
instead of like TD3 + TA2
I just got the TD3 gloves at the end of the night yesterday so
didnt have time to sim them
stark scroll
I'd probably go with the TD3 + EV2 over TA2 for a kinda aoe/cleave set, then IS + TA for st
hallow phoenix
Its saying IS + EV too lmao
will just play around
I think the only fights i really want IS on are Skitra(?), Xanesh, Dog, Maut
hard cipher
reflect 4head
chilly swallow
@hallow phoenix Skitra's debuff on tanks increases shadow damage taken. Delusion is also more dangerous on Drest'agath because of Volatile Seed.
stone lodge
guy can i ask your opinion ? rezan's (465), butchers block (465) and dragonscale (460) which two would you use for m+ ?
@stone lodge what about if i just got torment also ? 😛 is it still rezans and butchers block for m+ @left hatch
inland mesa
i'm blanking, what's the helm we want
left hatch
uhhh if it was like 15 or lower id sim
ivory barn
im tired of not doing dmg 😢
left hatch
itll likely be torment + somethign else
hard cipher
go dps then
left hatch
@inland mesa abyssal malevolence is still the best vendor helm
inland mesa
it's best overall besides mythic n'zoth too isn't it?
left hatch
i believe so
inland mesa
I think I've actually been dumb and ran without DC trait this week D:
I got spaulders of madness, and twilight dev...and n'zoth helm and didn't check if I still had one, for shame
but I can buy specific abyssal malevolence to replace the phantasmic reality
karmic meadow
Hi guys I'm a new prot warrior alt and I've heard there is a macro for Bash/Intercept where if your target isn't in melee range it will charge and if it is in melee it will bash, does anyone have this macro or know how to make it?
hallow phoenix
ummm
undone sun
left hatch
if he meant pummel i wouldn't macro that together anyway
undone sun
hallow phoenix
but requires two presses if you charge first
^ above macro does work in retail just tested
karmic meadow
Sorry I'm an idiot, I meant Shield Slam
left hatch
if its the pummel one i use a mouseover for intercept
exotic spoke
57% haste with raid set up for dps
hallow phoenix
replace Pummel with shield slam
and you'll have the functionality you'll want, though thats a weird macro to want
hallow phoenix
@exotic spoke arms?
exotic spoke
Prot lol
hallow phoenix
go arms
exotic spoke
Its just highest simming set but still
hallow phoenix
100 parse
left hatch
don't you need close to that much to even have arms be viable?
ik they need 3 ToM and a buttload of it
exotic spoke
2564 haste rating
2469 hsate if I went arms with Sk'skuul or however you spell it
2291 with geti
no procs - just ittf
analog zinc
447k in 0.2 while being at 40% reduced max hp
near ivy
you didnt have SB up and didnt shockwave or fear the add even though both were available
as was wall
stone lodge
@left hatch ty mate
slim moth
hello all prot machines, im new on protection and idk what gear should i get and what is my prio mitigations ?
left hatch
ilvl>haste>crit for M+
ilvl>haste>verse for raid
ignore pain isn't a mitigation its a rage dump
shield block is your active mitigation
slim moth
okay i wrote this, if can i ask ? how should i play for m+ ?
slim moth
yeah
left hatch
check out #268491842637660160 to get you started
the icy veins guide is also very good and maintained by our big brain overlord Mwahi
perusing that should getchu a good idea of the basics
slim moth
cheking now, thans alot ^^
distant crystal
sick sentinel
Alliance week sucks for 5 masks
autumn pendant
SW is Generally harder
ivory barn
lookin like this
sick sentinel
Looks normal to me
Even with rank 3 td or rank 4td
My tc is about 35% of my damage and ts around 18-24%
My tc is about 35% of my damage and td around 18-24%
plush prism
hey does anyone tank on any other classes? now that essences are account wide I might use my 120 boost, thinking about monk maybe
ivory barn
idk im only upllin 50k on hivemind and something tells me im not TCing enough
dark lark
How much ilvl are you guys willing to drop for certain corruptions? I just got an expedient but it would be a 10 ilvl+socket to drop
Also can get an additional "rank" of Twilight Devastation but that's a 15 ilvl drop
modest thistle
@plush prism play whatever you think would be the most fun for you. Pretty much everything is viable unless you’re pushing world first or mdi level shit. I personally like Paladin
maiden ravine
Wooo, gym is still open in my state.
Getting precious workouts in until I need to switch to at home stuff.
maiden ravine
After it's do my last 3 vision runs to get my rank 15 cloak and mount
mortal brook
hell yeah get it
maiden ravine
I think the black worm is my favorite of the colors
Ironically the easiest to get probably
mortal brook
if mail muncher would ever drop :sadbear
warm plinth
Worm mounts are dumb imo. I don't like them.
mortal brook
i like that they have the cloud serpent skeleton and idle animation where it tries to scratch its neck but then doesnt have feet to scratch with
plush prism
okay dumb question that i should really know by now but at this point im too afraid to ask
what does a prot warrior do about the fear minions in kings rest
at the beginning
warm plinth
Are you a blood elf?
warm plinth
Do you have a rogue or paladin?
Paladin would need to be a blood elf
Rogue doesn’t
plush prism
rogue
but i just wanna know
if my idiot group thinks its up to me
is there anything i can do
everything i try i seem to get feared before i can do anything lol
mortal brook
I just ranged hit one, then run the hell away back around the corner while my group figures things out
warm plinth
Yeah like...you can run in with berserker rage but that’ll only get rid of any that fixate you
mortal brook
what healer you have?
mortal brook
rdruid can mass root
warm plinth
DPS can kill them if you just pull and run though
sick sentinel
Hi, do you know if there is already shortcut to get the back faster and avoid all the 90 mins of running around?
mortal brook
2 scenarios you talk to magni/raden to skip right before you'd go
sick sentinel
The first one?halls of lightning?
warm plinth
You still have to do the traveling and the BWL parts
warm plinth
Basically when you meet Magni at the bottom of the steps in Halls in Uldum, after you get the quest to go in, you talk to him again before going in and he has a dialog option to skip it
And same thing for the second scenario when you’re sent there from Vale. You just talk to Ra-den, skip it, then talk again to get ported back to the chamber
little marsh
I just found out spell reflect reflects the copy dmg from corruption damn
mortal brook
aye kills Thing \o/
maiden ravine
I forgot you could get azerite from visions
oh well
2 new rank 4 essences I'll never use unfortunately
marble cipher
Finally got CnS rank 3 (thanks essence change thingie), I basically always use that as one of the minors for M+ tanking right?
strong forum
Ye
left hatch
raid tanking too
all flavors of tanking
CnS is a bis minor for every tank irrc
(not sure about bdk but im fairly certain they use it too)
marble cipher
k, good that I finally have it now, saves me some arena (was at 1400 rating, so would've gotten it eventually, but this is faster).
I also use Strenght of the Warden, mainly for 10 extra corruption resistance to stay under 40 treshold, but I'm not too sure if it's worth it considering we can spell reflect/stun/fear TfB.
Is it better to just learn to roll with +40 and use another minor in stead?
strong forum
Warden / formless void is perfectly fine to use
left hatch
thats.... kinda a personal question
strong forum
Especially if you want to stay below 40
left hatch
i play with formless/str AND are above 40
but i also have a healer i trust
and don't really tank pugs
would you get more from swapping in sphere? probably. but if you're not comfortable with TFB its fine to miss out
marble cipher
Yeah, see, I don't trust one of our healers, he's a healing god in pvp, but quite bad in M+ for some reason.
The other healer I usually run with is fine, maybe I'll try running 40+ with him and see how it works out
strong forum
M+ healing is different to pvp
marble cipher
lucid/warden/cns/sphere (sphere sometimes swaps to aegis if we can do big pulls)
and sphere goes to null shield in ML last two bosses (when I tp out to change)
left hatch
lucid major?
marble cipher
no no, minor
left hatch
oh ok phew
marble cipher
VoP4Life 😄
left hatch
you're pretty setup now (:
strong forum
I'll defo run lucid major this week tbh for the 1 20/21 I'll do and then peace out for the rest of the week
left hatch
the key there is for the 20/21 tho
strong forum
Bolstering grievous fort THX NO
marble cipher
I got to 16's max for now, so, not really in need of 40s avatar "immunity"
heck, if I'd try that and go giga pulls, I'm sure I'd be the only one alive and my entire party has stood in shit it could've avoided 😄
strong forum
Anything below 20 is not worth to run lucid
strong forum
Yup
brittle owl
lucid is a group competence question rather than key level question in terms of viability tbh
which obv includes your ability to not overcap rage and generate/spend effectively
marble cipher
The group of friends I do my keys with isn't the best (including me sometimes), we call ourselves 'Team Sperg', so no, I won't do 20+ with lucid 😉
strong forum
You'd be surprised
How much sperg you can allow in 20s
My group is the living embodiment
brittle owl
the dps creep this season is the biggest in the whole expansion
it makes it so you can compensate sperging
thru sheer throughput
strong forum
Prot war + feral/boomy/firemage/outlul/BM + rsham
brittle owl
full wipe? nbd, just proc td in the next pack 3 times and you gucci
marble cipher
Prot war / fury / ret / BM hunter / resto druid
So, ok'ish comp but not your typical run of the mill M+ group
brittle owl
fury and ret in the same group is a weird combo
actually the fury is just straight up awkward in that group lmao
marble cipher
yeah, it's not the best combo 😄
maiden ravine
I want next week so I can run TD4 and be below 40 corruption
left hatch
need more hDH
hDH📈
outlul and everything else 📉
tho tbh the ret is the most awkward in that group
i never see ret anymore
left hatch
well awkward in that i never see them around. its by no means a bad pick
the off healing is great too
left hatch
but iv legit seen more ferals this season than ret
marble cipher
yeah, they're a dying breed
brittle owl
if you pull too big, he's gonna cry
if you pull to cater to his target softcap
the others will cry
left hatch
LUL @ capped hit abilities
marble cipher
and the aoe cap at 5 for fury is a bit .... sad
brittle owl
honestly he'd be better off going arms
marble cipher
he tried that for a couple of runs, but went back to fury
left hatch
do'nt have enough haste? no dps
marble cipher
even though he knows how to play it, and has the gear for it
(and plays it in arena)
marble cipher
but, ah well, we're at the key level where we just don't mind anyone playing whatever they actually enjoy
left hatch
tbh if yo'ure not cranking well into the 20's
theres no reason to not play w/e you want
you wont int the group
marble cipher
indeed
I'd like to push once in a while, but I've come to terms that it just won't happen with this group, so, I'm happy with all 15's
left hatch
^ with my friendgroup 20 seems like the highest well push
before they lose interest in the patch
and thats ok w/ me
sweet summit
Honestly even with the "aoe cap" of fury, they can easily keep op with most other specs on big aoe
brittle owl
if you pull into bladestorm yes
sweet summit
Nop
brittle owl
otherwise
sweet summit
Dont need bladestorm to do big aoe
marble cipher
nah, he's keeping up well enough without bladestorm.
Not with our BM though, but, he's insane. And the ret is just only popping with his cd's and not that good without them
Overall, yeah, the 5 cap should gimp him quite a bit if I'd run with people like rogues/dh I guess, they'd just obliterate the fury aoe dps
sweet summit
Most other specs
maiden ravine
I'm gonna do 15s as a Demo Warlock for fun!
sweet summit
BM and full aoe ret is insane tbh
brittle owl
aoe ret is prob the highest aoe spec in the game
frost and fire mage are prob burstier
frost dk*
mortal brook
Esp if they get good vop and keep crusade
sweet summit
Ye inside wings they fucking pump
maiden ravine
I forgot how much I loved the look of female Nightborne haha
Need to get my warlock on horde side to 120
brittle owl
you prob got a thing for girls with tattoos and piercings dont you
maiden ravine
nope actually.
mortal brook
He likes girls that make questionable compromises with sketchy decisionmaking for power
maiden ravine
I wonder how accurate Wowhead's achievement trackers are, cause if Mad World and the meta are truly that rare after this week. EEEK
sharp night
most people couldn't care less about mask runs
maiden ravine
but but, title and mount and gear.
mortal brook
All the bare minimum runners still fleshing out their research, dont even have all masks lol
left hatch
some of my old guildies only recently got the elite extermination research lol
sharp night
if i have 30 minutes free i'd rather do a key than waste time doing a 5 mask run
maiden ravine
And here I've done mask runs on multiple characters. I always forget I'm that weird overachieving casual. I don't have AotC or any mythic raiding, but I do weird stuff like this.
sharp night
it's not fun
mortal brook
Autocorrupt is fun
maiden ravine
I got some TD1 470 boots I'm excited for
sharp night
it's just a chore i have to do every week
maiden ravine
the 465 I got was pants with haste proc. Sadly I have TD3 pants at 445 that are likely staying for a long time
mortal brook
Td1 470 pants i can use next week without Thing!
sharp night
visions should never have been linked to character progression in the first place
should've been like mage tower
left hatch
eh a full clear at this point is so trivial
maiden ravine
you don't even need to kill the end boss after rank 6
left hatch
that i think its a fair balance
mortal brook
Def hoping that Torghast isn't similar for sure
sharp night
it's still character progression in that you have to do 5 mask for 470 corrupted gear every week
even without the cloak upgrade portion
it's just an annoying chore
left hatch
but at that point 15's are required for progression as well
maiden ravine
most of us are swimming in corruption if we've been playing every week.
mortal brook
And the sockets are basically the valor grind
left hatch
which some ppl think is aggravating if not impossible
sharp night
yeah but
left hatch
so i think its an ok balance
maiden ravine
I find it a bit sad that people are still scared of m+ given this is the easiest season
left hatch
of reward vs. tedium
sharp night
the only thing stopping you from doing 15s is pushing/score
visions if you mess up
you have to go farm assaults/etc
to get another chance
it's just annoying af
left hatch
yah, thats my biggest gripe with visions
sharp night
like
either make it so there's no entry requirement
or remove character progression from it
it shouldn't be both
left hatch
i hope they find a nice middle ground for torghast
cause i lowkey kinda like the tenseness it adds
the limited tries
sharp night
afaik torg won't have the stupid sanity system that forces you to rush
maiden ravine
especially considering Torghast gives us legendaries.
sharp night
so you can just take it slow and puzzle out what you're doing
left hatch
but i also don't want torghast to be super spammable
cause itll devalue it almost instantly
as content
sharp night
nah
because it gets harder and harder as you go up in floors
so even if it's spammable it gets harder
maiden ravine
I kinda hope it's a better version of FF14s Deep Dungeons
mortal brook
Id love to just spam it like grifts but thats def not a for everyone style
sharp night
but imo visions is like the worst possible implementation they've done
sharp night
similar to basically every other system they've introduced in bfa
maiden ravine
ff14 is only slow til you near level cap
sharp night
idk how they got everything so wrong
left hatch
iv played at max level
maiden ravine
and then suddenly you got a bunch of oGCDs to use
maiden ravine
maybe just wrong job?
left hatch
monk was the only one that was okish
and getting used to how aoe pops a little before the attack happens
is a little janky
makes you appreciate wow a lot more
maiden ravine
Sam is the definition of the slow deliberate melee, Monk and Ninja may be what you wanted haha
I mean the telegraphs are nice that you don't need addons
it's just memorize the fights, very little rng in what mechanics go off and at the same time
left hatch
right, im not saying its difficult
it just feels...
idk
it feels like you're playing high latency
and the existence of M+ kinda kicks FF14 to the curb imo
a lack of small group high end activities that give relevent rewards is sorely lacking
and even their Deep Dungeons only offer catchup weapon if yo'ure raid geared
maiden ravine
I mean most of their hard content is 8 man. Can't get much smaller than that. That said, gearing in 14 almost feels like an afterthought vs just having fun doing stuff
I can see where progress feels lacking if you don't care about cosmetics
And I just realized my first two big goals this patch were for an armor set, a mount, and a title, hah. No wonder I like 14 when I play it.
ruby nexus
My goals were hc nzoth kill (done), time all 15s (done), solo both visions 5masks (done), pvp seasonal reward (scrapped) and pvp rating 1.8k (scrapped)
brittle owl
s4 is great though
makes the inevitable drought bearable
cause you can literally chill doing keys now
marble cipher
I don't do the 5 masks, it stresses me out too much 😂
As someone else here said, I'd rather run a key in the same time as I'd try a 5 mask, even if the 470 ilvl is juicy
I'm keeping up three chars sooo, I'll take the 'retain your sanity' advice
sick spindle
Dat guaranteed 470 corruption tho
mortal brook
Auto corrupt def
brittle owl
some love em, some hate em, and others like me are meh, sorta fun i guess
sick spindle
I'm fine with them. As far as repeatable content goes, this one is fine.
brittle owl
i got tilted this morning for the first time in wow when i messed up on my alt in visions tho
sick spindle
Failing runs you needed for upgrades is real tiltmaterial, yes ^^
brittle owl
first time i ever punched my desk playing wow as a non 17 year old or younger
sick spindle
Hahahaha holy shit I did the exact same thing last week 😛 Scared the shit out of my wife lol
analog oyster
What is better, crit or haste from all sources?
craggy harness
As a teen I slammed my temple into a cabinet drawer next to my head while dodging a fireball in Doom. That did a fine job of teaching me not to physically over react lol
dawn jasper
@analog oyster haste always as prot
strong forum
I hate visions
For the sole reason that you have very limited attempts
And you lose a shitton if you don't pay attention for a second
For example after I did my 5 mask full clear I then did 4mask for chill 465 corrupt but the game decided to bug out and not have me complete Shaw District so I 'missed' a zone even though I used the portal to get back
Killed alleria, 1 Box was missing and I got a 430 item instead of a 465....
So yeah.
If you do any mask runs, make sure to triple check if a zone is completed. Cuz ya ain't getting higher ilvl if it's not a full clear :)))
unborn aurora
Hey lads, i've just gotten the merektha's fang from ToS from a 15, but is it even a viable prot trinket? it does so much damage, but can i block/parry while channeling it? D:
mortal brook
You cannot. But the range is longer than the animation and theres always shockwave
sweet summit
Viable is a very lose term
mortal brook
Plenty of ways to make it work
The cast time is also hasted so its not as long of a channel as youd think
unborn aurora
Ah cool! I've only played prot for a week, so still kinda fresh to it. Another question. I got the 475 mace from junkyard in weekly, but is that even better than a 460 one with secondary stats? (corruption was garbage)
sick spindle
Is that the torchlight?
mortal brook
Yeah for sure. 15 ilvl of ap is huge by iteself
And itll out dps even ilvl on st, you wont miss the small amount of secondary
unborn aurora
Cool, thanks a lot guys.
patent bone
https://mplus.subcreation.net/protection-warrior.html how come there's a lot of warriors running null barriers now?
something wrong with this site or am i missing something about null?
patent bone
in m+?
hardy cedar
As soon as it came out it was always being run
patent bone
that site's supposed to parse data for m+
hardy cedar
Still a lot of magic damage to deal with, especially with the obelisks
And Prot Warrs still aren't the best at mitigating magic damage
patent bone
usually see the sphere/cns/aegis/void combos. i ran it last week with bursting, seemed to get decent value with it. was wondering if i was missing something about this week's affixes as grievous is phys
cinder fern
I suspect I'll never see an Avatar this long again :(
hardy cedar
Are you looking at grievous weeks?
Because if you just look at the top percentiles, it's going to be push weeks at the top
And this isn't a push week lol
strong forum
Wtf is that site even
Null minor isn't run in a lot of keys actually, most magic dmg is avoidable so it doesn't help there
sick sentinel
guys is surging vitality any good for us or should i stick to offensive corruptions like racing pulse?
strong forum
However in high keys even the smallest magic dmg hurts thus null minor is run more commonly run
But there's a breakdown and little more in depth explanation in the pins talking major and minor essences
patent bone
yeah i have read those. i thought most of them leaned towards "null isn't very useful in keys" but rad's writeup actually says something abut null being good in higher keys versus lower keys. i'm entering the territory of 20's right now so i was confused because it felt like the null essences came out of nowhere but i just probably missed out on the recent discussions
for my 15's in the past 3 seasons i never ever ran null except in ML on tyr weeks or shrine on fort weeks so that makes sense
hardy cedar
Yeah, in higher keys it's run. You're looking at the top 20+s, not 15s.
brittle owl
it's safety pad vs magic damage
hardy cedar
^
hardy cedar
Yep. Useful on bursting week.
brittle owl
it has nothing to do with bursting
hardy cedar
I know I'm joking
brittle owl
lel
brittle owl
it helps when you miss a kick on a magic nuke, or when you don't yeet in time from something
keeping you from being one shot
hardy cedar
yeet
brittle owl
other than that
it's dogshit defensively
it's other main component is the dps gain
esp on the magic only bosses/obelisk lieutenants
on aoe the damage is dogshit compared to even sphere minor
since it's just a flat value
secondaries scale with number of targets
even on a 20 if you're wearing null because you think it makes you tankier vs magic damage
patent bone
yeah that's how i see null vs sphere too so that's why i was confused for a bit but the read up makes sense, i didn't account the obelisks
brittle owl
you're a clown
patent bone
i'm spoiled with a hunter so his pets always does the tank busters for me
brittle owl
use it to cover mistakes that would wipe you, that's it
patent bone
if null scaled w/ mob size or key level that would be great
patent bone
big brain
brittle owl
also if it didnt do split damage it wouldve been incredibly broken
so broken brewmasters might still have been top dps tank
lmao
strong forum
Tru
I remember brews having 110k null barriers
Meanwhile me sitting at 45k bull barrier...
rocky linden
Any special azerite recommendations for M+, or just the usual priority of DC/Brace/Bastion?
sweet summit
as many BoM as possible, 1x DC fill the rest with HoD/MS/IF/CWH
rocky linden
Cool, I got 3xBoM, 1xDC and 2x Impact for now. I guess the Impact ones aren't that useful
strong forum
Idk im loving bfi
I think the immense block value gain is great for 20+ keys and often looked over, even with a 475 shield
Tbh
rocky linden
I'm not going to push high keys anyway, I'll leave it like it is
I'm thinking Blood Siphon and Siphoning enchant might be useful for M+? Am I being dumb?
stark ruin
brittle owl
yes you are being dumb
marble cipher
On this topic, leech is still a meme right? The game keeps throwing leech corruptions at me, hence the question
marble cipher
But TD is like 25% of my damage in a key 😜
undone sun
it's not worth the corruption
strong forum
Leech isn't worth going for
If you have it on a piece you would use anyway, great, but its not something to chase after
ESPECIALLY corruption
Leech corruptions are terrible
marble cipher
Meh, thought so, ah well, off to the scrapper
lucid dew
is it worth paying for a subscription to raidbots
lucid dew
yea true fury is only an off spec
brittle owl
also stop looking at shit and go "it did 8.4% of my healing" 🙄
8.4% of non existant self healing is still bad
sullen valve
@warm plinth remember wowA great
sullen valve
:dabbing:
lucid dew
do the mech rings effect not sim correctly?
brittle owl
they should sim fine
lucid dew
i simmed a 475 socket crit haste ring and a 470 socket crit haste ring
vs them at 465 with sockets
and they did 555 less dps
i thought the proc was worth more than it is i guess
brisk ferry
which proc do you have?
lucid dew
haste proc
sick sentinel
mind linking the sim?
lucid dew
and the 3 spells and ability one
sure one sec im resimming
i guess i did run patchwork
omg
i didnt have the other ring in haha
i had it both on ring 1
sick sentinel
😄
lucid dew
rerunning with dungeon slice
mortal brook
dungeon slice D:
marble cipher
aye, don't run dungeon slice, if you wanna know aoe dps value, just run a patchwerk 5 bosses for 1 minute or something
that's more valuable than dungeon slice
and frankly, for M+, I couldn't care less about my single target dps anyway
lucid dew
so 5 bosses 1 min
brittle owl
the only tank that doesn't care about ST dps, because st dps is poop withthe build, is vdh
and they make it up by pulling bigger and more aggressively
as a prot warr you don't sacrifice that much st dps by gearing for aoe, but you shouldn't discount st throughput
esp since obelisks exist
strong forum
Without lust*
brittle owl
or raidbuffs
modern brook
Imagine simming
Just take ilvl
4Head
i was going to expand on that joke with the whole "its supposed to be an upgrade" meme
but i forgot the guys name. the titanforge guy
chilly brook
Ion?
modern brook
THATS IT
exotic spoke
I should check logs for last night. I feel like I had some good pulls
modern brook
i was like "damn its not notch, wtf is it"
chilly brook
Who spells Ian with an O and not an A
lucid dew
dude 5 boss patchwork is not accurate at all ha
chilly brook
Like what a weirdo
modern brook
How are you not pulling 100+ in a 5 target situation when u have Avatar and BIG STOMP
chilly brook
Uhhh sounds like you had other stuff ticked
modern brook
also probably that
lucid dew
i mean I guess thats fair
exotic spoke
Eh decent. Could have been better
lucid dew
I do 100k plus on pulls ha
modern brook
sounds like prepot + lust are still on
lucid dew
but not 166 i must suck i prob do 120k
chilly brook
And keep in mind you're not going to get 100% accurate results anyways
modern brook
also if you did 1 minute it GREATLY inflates your dps casue now a larger portion of it is when ur in avatar
lucid dew
oh true
modern brook
in comparison to say, a 2 minute pull
modern brook
Without memeing I honestly dont recomend simming for M+
Like its super useful information
but its also very dense and you need to read through a lot of it
lucid dew
well i guess its clear though no matter what I do the mech rings outsim what I was testing against ha
was trying to see if it was worth farming them
modern brook
I know the 3 different abilities one is really good
just cause that basically says every 10s do this
lucid dew
yea that one and haste
modern brook
yeah
that'll do it
I also think its worth mentioning, on the topic of simming for M+ and the ubiquitos 5boss 1 minute
lucid dew
i need to get 465s with sockets
modern brook
That with the addition of pylons, and a 4th smol pull dungeon
Its really worth while to have a set dedicated to st/cleave
maybe not for prot warrior
just cause we're a monkey spec that does everything on ilvl anyways
but you dont run Workshop like u run motherload
and just saying "this is my M+ set" isnt very useful anymore, imo
maybe thats just the spolied rogue in me tho
@chilly brook thats not doom2
strong forum
I would only sim dungeons as dps
As tank its borderline irrelevant
But also, 7 socket chad here
chilly brook
It might not be doom 2 but damn does it look good
lucid dew
I typically dont sim at all I was just trying to get a sense of how much the mech ring proc was worth
chilly brook
And tbh I need something as a distraction with how I'm feeling
strong forum
If you have rings with sockets and good stats, don't use mecha rings until they have sockets themselves tbh
That's my case
modern brook
I agree
modern brook
AT the end of the day this entire channel can be closed and just have a pin of "just take more stats"
lucid dew
but I legit may never even get them ha
modern brook
and we'd be pretty on point with the entire expansions' gearing advice
chilly brook
Not wrong though
strong forum
I have 470 crit haste +s and 460 crit haste +s
Mecha rings will need to be insane to be better than that
lucid dew
yea i have a 470 crit haste socket and the nzoth ring no socket
chilly brook
This stomach flu is aids I just want to sleep
strong forum
No socket rings 
lucid dew
thinking about buying the 475 ring on ah and c alling it a day
modern brook
@chilly brook drink salt water
strong forum
Ye I'll buy 475 soon tbh
lucid dew
then ill prob get the mech ring at 475 socket in my chest
chilly brook
I cant even keep Gatorade down
lucid dew
and then desparatly farm the other haha
modern brook
ice chips?
lucid dew
after buying that
strong forum
Cuz im using 460 boe, so not upgrading is inting, but at the same time, who the fuck cares this xpac is over and we will have another 6-10months of this
Everything we do just w/e rn, just go and have fun
modern brook
I'm like actually really sad that BFA is ending on such a sour note for me
cause like through all the bullshit i really enjoyed it
chilly brook
If it didn't have all the bullshit I think I would have enjoyed it
modern brook
and the only thing thats killing it for me is my lack of desire to raid, and the inability to get a consistent key group as a result
lucid dew
i havent minded it
strong forum
Not caring bout anything, I'll get 3.5k+ score if I continue like I did so ez life
chilly brook
And there were parts that I truly did enjoy about BFA
lucid dew
but this is the most I have played since Wotlk though
strong forum
Same JC
lucid dew
i quit for a long time and came back
strong forum
Literally exactly same
modern brook
I honestly really like the azerite system
strong forum
The only xpac ever since wotlk that I haven't quit once
chilly brook
But maybe I'm crazy but I honestly didn't like Nyalotha as a raid
modern brook
and i would really like the corruption system if there were a way to mod the corruption you get
strong forum
Nya loot distribution outside of azerite is dog
chilly brook
It's also just not fun
strong forum
Everything is clustered into raden
chilly brook
Its 90% trash
strong forum
And cara
lucid dew
yea there are so many bosses I have no interest in doing ha
I really want mythic to open cross realm soon
strong forum
I stopped doing HC like 6 weeks back cuz no loot needed, I've only done cara and raden more than once
chilly brook
I honestly think the majority of the problem with BFA was the feeling of having to log in and do x amount of time of daily chores
strong forum
Nto even mythic is desirable
lucid dew
skitra shoulders
waxen cradle
I feel like maybe part of the reason people do not like Nya is maybe some not saying all but a lot are comparing to to previous end expac raids and it does not hold up
lucid dew
dragonscale and wraithon weapon
chilly brook
If they have focused on fun content over required content it would have been a lot better, not saying there shouldn't be a little bit of required content
waxen cradle
I do not like it either as much as previous end expac raids, but it is what it is
modern brook
The biggest issue with Current patch bar fucking none
is that the expect me to go to the Eternal VAle / Uldum
without any fucking teleports
fuck you
lucid dew
yea thats just dumb
chilly brook
Nyalotha compared to other end expac raids minus dragon soul is buns
lucid dew
its pointless
modern brook
gotta spend the first 12 minutes of my day flying
leaden grail
I personally think Nyalotha is one of the most fun I had in any raid. Then again I started playing in Legion so I don't have that many raids to compare it with. Fun-wise I think I only liked Tomb of Sargeras more
lucid dew
when the fuck is alliance going to finish killing nzoth
modern brook
Antorus had the greatest voice line
lucid dew
its going to take them forever
modern brook
your modicum of skill will be insufficient to save you
chilly brook
I was gonna go grammar nazi
modern brook
Like imagine bullying some guy
chilly brook
But you fixed it
modern brook
and he just busts that out
waxen cradle
Yeah Griff that is truly unfortunate, also that end cinematic ICCKK!!!
chilly brook
Yea tbh I think they just kinda cut rope
waxen cradle
Comparing that to Sargeras appearing and stabbing the planet, why even bother
chilly brook
Like I dont think its lost on them that BFA has been a very trying experience for their playerbase and my guess is they just shifted priority to Shadowlands
chilly brook
Story wise yes
chilly brook
But that's a symptom of convoluted writing and plot
lucid dew
also are people still farming 455 urchins or should i give this up ha
leaden grail
the entirety of bfa's story is a mess. still I really liked all the raids except maybe for uldir? only mythrax was nice in uldir
chilly brook
Like aside from nyalotha I think all the raids were really solid
chilly brook
Uldir I think was more colored by the lacking class design
leaden grail
yeah. imagine doing mythic progress on fucking ghuun which is probably the worst boss I ever did
chilly brook
Not necessarily the encounters
modern brook
Uldir was a large, no mount zone
chilly brook
Granted I didn't do mythic ghuun so I cant comment on him
modern brook
that had like 20 minutes of trash before every boss
The raid was dog
Its also the raid that killed subtlety
leaden grail
the encounters were shit imho. mother had some nice mechanics but was undertuned af, all the bosses after that were just annoying, zul was cheesed by sub rogues and ghuun was horrible
modern brook
which is a personal note but
chilly brook
Zul was actually just a bad fight
leaden grail
also true
modern brook
YEah but like
THere wasnt a boss in Uldir that wasnt "easily cheesed" or "bad fight"
leaden grail
honestly, from all the raids I've done (again, I started playing in Legion) Uldir was the worst
modern brook
Ghuun was just frustrating
chilly brook
Just be glad you never did Dragon Soul 😋
modern brook
it was "hit adds for 20 minutes and hope to god ur orb runners are competent
waxen cradle
Yeah having good orb runners made or broke that fight
chilly brook
Wtb Ulduar 2.0 raid
waxen cradle
was ridiculous how much
strong forum
Zul couldve easily been the hardest fight in uldir if he had more hp
modern brook
BoD has a special place in my heart
chilly brook
The more ridiculous part was how not hard it actually was to run the orbs but people always messed it up
modern brook
cause that will be the only time im genuinely useful to this comunity at large
strong forum
If they had more HP they would be crazy fights
waxen cradle
Yeah agreed @chilly brook
chilly brook
Maybe that's why I didn't mind Uldir so much was because I was actually useful 😛
leaden grail
isnt every single fight that you progress for a while frustrating though?
strong forum
Ghuun was a sleeper boss that started at 20% HP, before that it wasn't even a Boss
modern brook
I mean yes thats why raiding sucks
chilly brook
Depends
leaden grail
on jaina it was "dont let people run into frozen thingys in the first intermission after 200 pulls pls"
modern brook
If i wanted to spend 3 hours being disapointed by others i would go to work
waxen cradle
lol
modern brook
I say, on discord at work
chilly brook
Like I spent a lot of time progging on 3 hit combo dude in Uldir because other people were idiots and didn't understand how to not spawn adds but I really enjoyed the fight and making my cotank BrM look like wet tissue paper
modern brook
where theres actual discussion and flexing of strats
but after that point
its not progressing its "whos going to fuck it up this time"
chilly brook
True though
modern brook
ESPECIALLY from a tank pov
chilly brook
And then you're labeled as toxic after getting mad at the same idiots for wiping to the same idiotic crap 30 times
modern brook
getting mad is toxic griff
modern brook
ur supposed to have 1 friend in raid that you /w to everytime something happens
chilly brook
No it's just expressing my displeasure for wasting so many people's time
Wiping to the same avoidable mechanic over and over is toxic
modern brook
and then u flub /r one time into /rw and you just get banned
chilly brook
😛
waxen cradle
How DARE you get mad that one person wipes the entire raid 200+ pulls in to a heroic mechanic
chilly brook
Yikes heroic
waxen cradle
insanity
chilly brook
😛
modern brook
In my one mythic progression run in BoD
we wiped to heroic mechanics more than mythic mechanics
chilly brook
Tbh if I come back I won't be touching mythic raiding
modern brook
and HOLY SHIT is that frustrating
chilly brook
Done enough of that this expac
grand drum
I hated coven in antorus because of people wiping us with lightning phase
final mist
Just come back to mythic raiding as an ape DPS
waxen cradle
to a mechanic that someone should have mastered in heroic to be exact
warm plinth
Hi Sal
final mist
You get to ook without the responsibility of being a tank and it’s easier tbh
Also if you get lucky with corruptions you get to flex super hard
👋
modern brook
👋
chilly brook
Even if I come back as an ape dps I still have to deal with 6 hours a week of me staring at my screen hating my raid group for wiping on a boss that we cleared the week previously
modern brook
my favorite thing in existence
final mist
Oh just replace those people
wooden radish
@lusty grotto ???
modern brook
is when u kill a boss u were progging on for 2 weeks
final mist
👀
chilly brook
That would imply I would be raid leader
modern brook
and the ppl that were the reason u were progging on it for 2 weeks are like "sick, this is farm now"
@lusty grotto is playing again but wont fucking invite me to shit
waxen cradle
thats the only reason you hate them ? #jealous I mean there are so many reasons
final mist
Same but also not same
strong forum
Same but loot
final mist
Shiny corruptions
modern brook
I have like 12 fucking tentacles
so i just gave up and am running like 59 corruption in mind flay
chilly brook
Speaking of tentacles
modern brook
I havent even seen TD yet
chilly brook
'Member that shitty tentacle ghuun trinket?
modern brook
got my first EV after it got nerfed into unusibility
modern brook
@inland helm i got that titanforged to max on my normal clear of ghuun
yeah i recently found out u get gear for doing visions
chilly brook
Oof x 2
modern brook
so now im trying to mask
final mist
Masks are easy
chilly brook
Ping the wrong griff and unlucky luck
modern brook
Yeah but i actually have to get them lol
final mist
Except the sanity one
waxen cradle
I still have not but I see it like this, at least I never got it while it was beast damage, less to be upset about now
final mist
Also this week sucks because stormwind is way harder than org for no reason
chilly brook
Cuz blizz popped smoke on the xpac
modern brook
yeah i think i did 1 of the two already
chilly brook
It's just maintenance mode at this point tbh
final mist
With a mask unlocks those masks
grand drum
masks are easy you say? 5 masking SW this week is a pain in the ass
modern brook
just dont do SW
grand drum
i did lol
modern brook
I honestly refuse to do SW anymore the last time i had ran it i did a full clear and Aleria just straight despawned when i had to break LoS
twice
waxen cradle
I love how 2 weeks ago everyone said how bad Leaden Feet, and w/e the fire one is called I forget
and this week is way worse
final mist
Stormwind in general is just super aids
chilly brook
True that's why you should be horde
final mist
They’re not bad in Org, it’s just SW’s mechanics combined with the masks and shit is just
🤢
The vision swaps every week griff
grand drum
get split personality with opening closed off>fear circle>run into adds that stun you>die
final mist
One week it’s Org, the next it’s SW
waxen cradle
Exactly Wineman
chilly brook
I know Sal
modern brook
just dont die
chilly brook
It was just a joke
wooden radish
@warm plinth hi
unborn fox
Just spell reflect the split personality
modern brook
I've been thinking about rolling DH
warm plinth
Hi @wooden radish
modern brook
but i dont want to be associated with dh's
waxen cradle
try wearing 3 or more masks, tried 4 this week..... mistake
chilly brook
Vengeance is fun
warm plinth
I carried someone through 4 masks this week
grand drum
i honestly dont like the changes for vengeance going into bfa
with fracture and souls
warm plinth
Wasn't bad