protection

[left hatch]

i love being a braindead dps

but if you wanna have a nice vacation

play a dps 😄

[sweet summit]

I tried letting a dps call kicks on last boss WCM with spider

Didnt end well

[left hatch]

only truly feelsbad run iv had was a ML, where the tank left after first pull because my meta stunned the jockey

so he raged out that i ruined his route by stunning

[sweet summit]

LMFAO

Unlucky xD

[left hatch]

and even that was more funny and not my key so

imagine not being able to plan around that extra... what 1.5%

XD

[hushed cobalt]

i dont get the joke

ohhhh

[sharp night]

literally pull 1 extra pack for a failed jockey

and it's ML so you can just chain pull lol

[left hatch]

yeahpppp

but it was a warrior tank with anima major and VoP minor so

i didn't have high hopes

[sweet summit]

Pog

Blaster

[hushed cobalt]

i had a half guild half pug h nzoth with a prot warrior at a tad over 1mil hp

can you imagine that anima?? 😏

[left hatch]

dat shit aint natural

[sweet summit]

Does any tank spec use anima?

Like, at all?

[left hatch]

minor? no

[sweet summit]

Major

[left hatch]

bears, monks and i think dks can use the major in M+

cause fuckall does decent dps in their kit

[sweet summit]

Dks use cof

That i know

Monks use CnS i think

[left hatch]

irrc CnS for them is on par

bears for sure use it as major

cause big ol health pools

and random incarn and thorns isn't nearly as juicy as it seems

for VoP and CnS

[hushed cobalt]

can confirm, a boomkin in my guild uses anima major when he tries to tank m+

[mortal brook]

Many bdks use anima. bdks should not use anima but here we are

[left hatch]

well with that logic

many 'tanks' in general use anima

cause oh look more health

:/

imagine researching your class

[mortal brook]

Feelycraft

[sweet summit]

Oh look some damage every 2 minutes must be good

[left hatch]

well we did have someone else thinking that warden major was the best dps pick

cause 50% more deepus

on its surface it seems ok

[hushed cobalt]

i like the occasional momento o glory+rallying+last stand+stam pot/food/flask anima

[sweet summit]

[left hatch]

yike

[mortal brook]

Not even with fang lfd is warden the good choice

[sweet summit]

More TD damage kapp

[hushed cobalt]

i only have 2 ev rank2s 😦

[left hatch]

he was joking

stam stacking is never good

even with like TD10

[hushed cobalt]

i know, but i'm also slightly salty at no TD, but my rogue has a td3 and td2

[left hatch]

next week sir

spam them visions

[hushed cobalt]

IVE BEEN SAVING UP!

[left hatch]

and honestly if you're serious about getting a TD, WQ gear apparenlty has a higher than normal chance to corrupt?

[mortal brook]

Big

[hushed cobalt]

i just got a mastery proc 420 ring

[sweet summit]

NEXT WEEK BOIS. WE DO 5 MASK WE GET TD3. WE BLAST!

[left hatch]

the first TD pieces on both my DH and War were from WQ's

[maiden ravine]

haha

I'm gonna only have 3 vessels ready to go on Tuesday night

[hushed cobalt]

2 vessels and 82k coalescings!

[maiden ravine]

but better than none

I'm probably only gonna do like 3 or 4 a week

[sweet summit]

Wait

Its SW next week

Fuck

[hushed cobalt]

ezmode

[maiden ravine]

I don't wanna see 425 bracers with good affixes

with a rank 14 cloak it'll be a joke

rank 15 even easier

[sweet summit]

But im very bad at the game

[maiden ravine]

A lot of people will be finishing mad world Tuesday

[mortal brook]

80 reduc sanity

[left hatch]

SW is buggy as shit too

[mortal brook]

You can rp walk a 5 mask

[sweet summit]

Oh

Maybe ill be able to do it

[hushed cobalt]

lay down a tea set by the toy guy instead of the train

[left hatch]

last SW week my 2 of my friends got instagibbed in a run

in mage disctrict

just dropped dead

body disapeared

didn't proc free self rez

[mortal brook]

Nice

[sweet summit]

Ahhahaha what

[left hatch]

and it was in 2 diff runs too

[maiden ravine]

that's why I solo

[left hatch]

one of them was in a solo run

she just blew up

[maiden ravine]

Org has a bug too with scorched feet

[left hatch]

and run over

[maiden ravine]

you can get disconnected

cause of warden

[left hatch]

DH still has that bug

[hushed cobalt]

ooo what toys can you charge to for umbric?

[left hatch]

you can exceed max velocity

and the game crashes

which fel rush + gift + 5 stacks of hunter gets you awful close to that velocity cap

[maiden ravine]

hmm, next week is timewalking

meh

I have never tried TW Ulduar

[sweet summit]

@hushed cobalt do fury or arms and take clf major. Clf will stop his storm thing

And bladestorm and/or leap the 2nd one

[maiden ravine]

throw a golden banana

easy

golden banana one, leap the other.

[left hatch]

yeh its not about using toys to charge to

its about using toys to stop his TP

[hushed cobalt]

im way outta the loop on this, but the fury+clf sounds good

[maiden ravine]

I'm a scrub who didn't raid last tier

I should try and pug some TEP

[left hatch]

god im so happy i put off farming essences again

next week is like christmas

free(ish) essences and corrupted gear

[hushed cobalt]

i still need cns

[sweet summit]

Do we know anything more about the essence grind?

For alts

[left hatch]

nah no numbers yet

[maiden ravine]

Unless it's something silly like, "You get 1 echo your first kill of a raid boss or m+ you do a week and you need 20 for one essence"

[sweet summit]

Guess i gotta wait for NA to beta test it

[left hatch]

speculation is 1-2 essences buyable through normal play

but the way bluepost is worded it SHOULD be farmable

[sweet summit]

Yea

[hushed cobalt]

heroic dungeon spam plz

[sweet summit]

Nah, m+

[left hatch]

i don't think heroics count

visions, assaults, M+, raid

[sweet summit]

I just wanna spam m+

[maiden ravine]

I will solo +2s on my paladin to get his essences

[sweet summit]

Hopefully you get more currency the higher key you do

[left hatch]

hopefully if we do it fast enough

[maiden ravine]

or that

[left hatch]

shadowlands will come out sooner

[sweet summit]

Yup

[maiden ravine]

That said, my Paladin already hit 1800 in 2s, I don't REALLY need essences for my primary goal on him

[left hatch]

sounds like you get CnS on him

and then buy it on war after

[maiden ravine]

oh, warrior had CnS forever ago

[sweet summit]

Maybe i can reroll to yellow class and be a braindead dps POG

[maiden ravine]

h pal is just easier to get to 1800 for transmog than warrior is

H pal is getting into raid pugs easier too though so I may end up getting AOTC on him too

hmm, that mail pvp set is actually kinda cool, but no idea if I could get a shaman or hunter to 1800

[sharp night]

all healer specs are pretty strong iirc

[sweet summit]

Survival hunter

Resto Shaman is strong if you can survive

[maiden ravine]

I do like survival, but man he's so far behind

that might be a project in a month

this is the first season since season 1 I've actually cared for the pvp gear

I know I'm to big a scrub to get there with my mage, so cloth set will likely be disc priest

[hard cipher]

meanwhile resto shaman vince

[maiden ravine]

leather will be druid or dh

leather is the weakest set though of the 4 to me

[hard cipher]

Any tips for tanking third boss in high keys

got fucking molested

[maiden ravine]

which dungeon?

[hard cipher]

ML

[maiden ravine]

spam ignore pain

block is useless

you can spell reflect something on that fight but it's random I think?

[tropic oriole]

The dot is causing the problem?

[ionic fern]

You can SR the debuff she does + her Auto attacks.

[tropic oriole]

Mwahi posted something some days ago

CD usage

[maiden ravine]

the dot goes out on 2 people at a time, healer needs to triage and dispell one

[hard cipher]

I mean I charged and almost dropped already. Guess healer needs to prebark or somethink

[maiden ravine]

did you charge from the small island?

that sounds like you stood in oil

[ionic fern]

Then it's auto attacks. Charge in with a DR up.

Either healers or your own.

Use SR for the debuff tho.

[hard cipher]

Yeah I used for the first and always when its up

usually

What does DR refer to? Sorry Mage main

[undone sun]

damage reduction in this context

[hard cipher]

ah

yeah

Other question. Any tips where to tank it? is the spread thingie random or is there a pattern

[rigid sinew]

can just open with shield wall on that tbh

the pools have two parts, one area targeted from the boss and another from pipes along the outer perimeter

the pipes follow a pattern, the ones that rixxa puts out are always at a players location

[hard cipher]

yeah meant the pipething

[rigid sinew]

i dont remember exactly but its like

the starting pipe is random but afterwards its clockwise i think?

[hard cipher]

I think I saw a picture how it goes like s3

need to search

[maiden ravine]

So I tried the azerokk thing, I don't know if dps left the portal despite telling them not to, but the adds didn't all fixate tank

[sharp night]

you can tell which pipe it is

because you can see the uh

azerite crap starting to flow out of it before the swirls come out

[sick spindle]

Note: She targets the 2 closest players with her dot, so make sure to stand on her face when spell reflect is up. And have a dps with immunity up the the other one if your spell reflect is on cooldown, so you can get dispelled.

[sharp night]

and yeah i think they fixed azerokk this week

i did a ml earlier this week and none of the fixates went on me either

last week they all went on me

gotta test it again to be sure but i don't have another ml key

[brazen lion]

Torment in a Jar any good?

[hard cipher]

alright

thanks for the tips folks

[sweet summit]

Jar is good damage

[strange tide]

Does anyone here bother with the Dratnos strat for ML? After Azerokk he has recommended hearthing out to the closest inn putting all bloodsport Azerite on and taking never surrender talent

[distant crystal]

if it's high enough tyrannical that rixxa is gonna be hard to live

it can be worth

esp if the dps in your group can do the same and switch to heavy ST spec/gear

[sick sentinel]

It's def worth if it's higher than like 21

and it's tyran

20 is double without

without issue I should say

[distant crystal]

if you have some azerite you can put on that's heavy in like...RF, BFI, BS traits

maybe throw on null dynamo and just everything you can get for ST damage and magic survivability

you lose very little time doing it

[sick sentinel]

ST isnt going to keep you alive if you get 1 the moment you run out of stuff

[distant crystal]

but killing the boss faster will help you time the key

and can help get it dead before you and your healer run out of gas

it's a lot more useful if there's other people that are dipping out too to pick up more ST-heavy builds

healer could also potentially change it up for more tank throughput and/or boss dam

[sick sentinel]

You should be stacking bastion either way, as bastion increases IP size

and DC

and then BS

BFI/RF or the likes is just not going to help you kill the boss fast enough compared to what you're intaking

[distant crystal]

fair

[steep wraith]

Should include maut trinket in that too

[sweet summit]

Isnt maut trinket just bandages but worse?

[steep wraith]

For the last bosses of motherlode it covers a big gap in damage intake.

[distant crystal]

i'd rather have n'zoth trinket tho

sigil of warding is a bigger absorb than bandages vs magic dmg

[sweet summit]

Ah, mb

[steep wraith]

Nothing wrong with both nzoth and maut

[sick sentinel]

sigil of warding is statistically better than n'zoth when intaking large amount of damage

large amount of magic damage*

[distant crystal]

is it

[sick sentinel]

yes

[distant crystal]

245K + 350K

for mythic maut

or total of 350K?

[sick sentinel]

look at heroic ones

calc

[distant crystal]

either way

is it the original shield + the total in the magic dmg part

[sick sentinel]

yes

[distant crystal]

or is the total in the magic dmg part the overall

[sick sentinel]

total

[distant crystal]

cause it doesn't really add up either way, weird

[sick sentinel]

you are looking at a 485 vs a 475

[distant crystal]

unless like, it stops adding absorb before it stops adding druration

no, i'm looking at a 475 in a vacuum and trying to figure out how it works

it says it absorbs 245,764

• 29,202 when you take magic dmg

up to a max of 350,424

[inland bolt]

is the wrathion 1hand weapon a quick cleanse? or should I just run it with TD?

[distant crystal]

29202 * 8 = 233616

(cause it says 29202 + 2 seconds for a total of 350424 + 16 seconds)

if it's the full 245K + 350K then yeah mythic maut beats heroic n'zoth

if it's just 350K then no, heroic n'zoth beats mythic maut

233K absorb every 1 minute > 350K absorb every 2

@inland bolt It's not very good, there's usually better corruption to use in your budget

but depends on what you have available i guess

[sick sentinel]

Yes a heroic n'zoth is worse than a mythic one; barely. it's a very small difference but most people don't have mythic n'zoth so I'm talking to a heroic n'zoth versus mythic maut

since a lot of people doing those high keys can do 3/12

statistically in an actual ilvl to ilvl theory

[distant crystal]

yeah i mean that's what i'm comparing too

[sick sentinel]

being the same

n'zoth is better

[distant crystal]

my warrior is my alt, i could get a mythic maut trinket

[sick sentinel]

by like 4k

[distant crystal]

but i have a heroic n'zoth trinket already

[sick sentinel]

maut helps on zul

and third boss ml

[distant crystal]

and i'll likely never get the mythic n'zoth :p

[sick sentinel]

it's extremely niche

[distant crystal]

maybe around christmas

[inland bolt]

on a 1 min cd youll probs get two uses of the nzoth trinket though

on Zul and bosses in general

[distant crystal]

also i've been told that when you're doing obelisks in keys

that counts as nyalotha

for the n'zoth trinket

[sick sentinel]

you'll get one use on both

unless it's forth

fort*

[inland bolt]

we lusted Zul and it was around 1.20 with no mage (on fort) so itll have two uses for that atleast

[sick sentinel]

yes it does waat

I was the one that stated and tested that

are you using the trinket on pul lshaw?

[distant crystal]

p nice for the fleshbeast obelisk

and tankbuster

[sick sentinel]

it's nice for all

you can external trinket the fear guy

and get like 15 stacks

the trinket won't break

[inland bolt]

i cant remember the order

[distant crystal]

prob worth to use it shortly after the pull

i'd imagine after the first shadow barrage it'd get used up p quick

[sick sentinel]

it breaks on first hit

[distant crystal]

then wall a little later and then shell again toward the end

when you're fighting for your life :p

with IP and pots n stuff

a few spell reflects scattered in there

[inland bolt]

do people swap to Never Surrender for Tyran ML? cause theres still more trash after second and third boss right?

[sick sentinel]

yes

they dedicate everything to it

[inland bolt]

with nzoth trinket and AUG you shouldnt need it i think

[sick sentinel]

No tha'ts not true

at all

[distant crystal]

the normal route has you do like 1 trash pack after 2nd boss

and another after 3rd

[sick sentinel]

third boss ml tyran

is THE worst

boss for prot

you get one shot without anything up

especially in the high keys

[inland bolt]

not really tbh, i think its like 4 ticks, a bunch of spells then 4 ticks again

[sick sentinel]

shield breaks in one hit

in a high ml yes

[inland bolt]

you just aug one, trinket another, wall another, bark another, dark+demo timing

idk i think its ok

[distant crystal]

kinda lame that justhealus.com doesn't tell the boss autos

[inland bolt]

unless the healer isnt very good

[distant crystal]

for last two of ML

[sick sentinel]

what kind of mls are you doing

22/23s blast my ass hole

I have to overlap two things to stay alive

[inland bolt]

I did a 23 yesterday with a resto druid, we didnt swap but it seemed ok

i dont realy do high keys tohugh

[sick sentinel]

It's pretty trash with an hpal

[inland bolt]

yeah probably

[sick sentinel]

and I only run with hpal

mastery and rdruid hots is extremely nice

for that boss

[distant crystal]

i just get shat on in 19s

alt lyfe

[inland bolt]

atleast for ML third boss i feel nzoth trinket is better

only because the maut trinket will overheal and not last the next 'set' of damage

ive started experimenting with AUG in keys after getting the Nzoth trinket and feel soo much tankier

[sick sentinel]

I think people underestimate the tank trinkets

[inland bolt]

are you running urchin instead of wrathion/vita?

[distant crystal]

AUG?

[sick sentinel]

no

[inland bolt]

whats the logic with wrathion trinket btw? why dont people run vita like in MDI?

[sick sentinel]

it's not consistent

maybe?

[distant crystal]

what is AUG

the acronym escapes me

[slate pilot]

Azeroths Undying Gift

[distant crystal]

doh

[slate pilot]

Essence

[sick sentinel]

pft

[inland bolt]

bro after watching andybrew im still convinced brew is the play

hes doing prot warrior damage at this point and his buffing his team

[sick sentinel]

what's prot warrior damge

[inland bolt]

idk 60k+ generally

[sick sentinel]

monk is kite gang

if you play around it's not bad

most of his damage relies on td tho

especially this week

[inland bolt]

yeah he runs SV

with vers amp

i was thinking of trying it on prot

or maybe an ineffable truth build

[brittle owl]

it's nice to meme

but the only worthwhile meme for tanks for M+ is stacking vers tbh

and vers% increase

[distant crystal]

i have a bunch of ineff on my dh

i should really try tanking on him lol

could prob have insane meta uptime

[brittle owl]

ineff is garbage on vdh

[distant crystal]

damn

rip

[brittle owl]

you already do 🤷‍♂️

[distant crystal]

it's p fun for havoc

[inland bolt]

anyone have the vod for the chinese group doing the AD?

[brittle owl]

for havoc it's fun, but still kinda bad outside of sub 4 min kills so you get an extra meta

[inland bolt]

i dont know how to navigate douyu and i know a few of them stream

https://twitter.com/nasdalolx/status/1239182797513707520/photo/1 prot warrior on 25 AD tyran

NasDa (@nasdalolx)

I think this is THE first WF 25 non-Mechagon Junkyard in s4(yesterday). The mage 旋律 is the RL of Skyline. The tank is from Team AAA. The healer is Jack from BFC.

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i want to know how he survived rezan bleeds with a hpal

[sick sentinel]

you can bop bleed off

[sweet summit]

Bop sac loh sw darkness

[distant crystal]

why does dorf racial not work for that :*(

[hidden plaza]

Does DiD racial work?

[distant crystal]

would assume not, they're basically the same for that purpose

[strong forum]

No it doesn't

And yeh, I can totally see stacking vers and vers% become a thing for tanks as the season goes on

For the defensive requirements in giga keys

And people dropping TD all together

Or if more nerfs are starting to surface

[sharp night]

holding agro without TD seems like it could be problematic as the dps start getting really high stat corruptions though

unless everyone just starts copying the KSM builds with warden major

[strong forum]

If you do mdi giga pulls sure, but actual pulls no? Not really?

You will still pull 60-70k+ overall dps without TD

[left hatch]

vDH might have issue

without TD

and even that is a maybe

[strong forum]

Vdh sure, but they won't need the vers stacking

And thats why vdh might become meta too

Cuz they're abysmally overkill tanky

[left hatch]

bust also abysmally zzzz

hit sheer until you die of old age

[strong forum]

Doesn't matter if you win

[sharp night]

i find it fun lol

[left hatch]

i find it fun when im tired and don't wanna use brain

[sharp night]

so much control with sigils too

[left hatch]

i do miss not having a stun with them tho

jsut give them chaos nova

[sharp night]

yeah it's weird being the only tank that doesn't have a stun as an option

even talented

[left hatch]

and havn't done necrotic on them yet

so not 100% on how their kiting works

without a Shockwave+heroic leap away

ig chains + infernal strike away

[sharp night]

with ftd you have so much parry

you barely even need to kite in the first place

but chains into leap or fear or double leap all work

[strong forum]

I really miss stun on vdh tru

[sweet summit]

How much downtime do you have with ftd?

[sharp night]

like

0

[strong forum]

If you have enough haste

0

[sweet summit]

Goddamn

[sharp night]

you either have spikes or meta up ALL the time

with like ~25-30% base haste and haste trinkets

[strong forum]

Cries in 900 haste

[sharp night]

and if you have higher which some people do

you can have nearly 100% uptime on spikes

so you can overlap it with meta and be even MORE unkillable

[strong forum]

I really wanna see what shil can do

If he was to push more

[sick sentinel]

I have 2 vers %

so 21% higher

and I have a vers proc

[strong forum]

4% vers here on war

[sick sentinel]

and I can run cns major with lucid/ and aegis

big vers

[strong forum]

But 35% haste

[sick sentinel]

I mean 21% vers

corruptions

[strong forum]

Ah

Use haste gear but vers corruptions and essences

[sick sentinel]

rank 1 TD, 21% vers total corruption increase, 801 vers proc

for 20 seconds

[strong forum]

Interesting

Sounds juicy tbh

[sick sentinel]

If I wear that type of stuff

with procs when I have cns, lucid and aegis

I have an average of 3k vers

baseline is 800

that means

even when I avatar and if I have a proc vers proc

force multiplier takes over vers

so that's even more vers

and with that build, I still have 2.15k haste

so instead of crit, I have a flat dr

also, vers reduces thing from beyond intake

so I can wear 59 corruptoin

so rank 2 td also

because I would use cns major

so I shouldn't get hit anyway

this is big brain

[warm sleet]

So big. Perhaps the biggest . . .

[sharp night]

i am somehow amused that you typed 2.15k instead of 2150

[sick sentinel]

easier key strokes

2.15k

2150

ye easier

or maybe I get vers food for the % 🤔

Does vers % corruption affect food

[sharp night]

yes

[sick sentinel]

that's big

[sharp night]

"all sources"

[sick sentinel]

that's 20 more vers stats over haste

that's big

does vers healing done affect leech or no

or is it only victory rush

somebody says yes

so I will assume

LMAO

a 10 pull with aegis cns major and lucid procs with weapon proc is almost 7k vers

I hadl ike 40% dr

https://prnt.sc/rh3qno without lucid proc, 4 targets, force proc and and vers food

https://prnt.sc/rh3sq3

with a little more procs

[amber siren]

[sick sentinel]

big vers

https://prnt.sc/rh3wok

leech vers % increase is huge

[strong forum]

Big #

[grim spire]

hi, how is the JY shield? for general use, m+/raid

[flat jackal]

What’s got a better proc rate? Vita or wrathion trinket?

Torn between the two atm

[formal vine]

is it haste overkill if I use Wrathion trinket and Vita titanshard together?

[sweet summit]

@grim spire worst shield in the game but ilvl always win

@flat jackal id take vita, less uptime but way mpre haste and you buff your party members too

[grim spire]

noted, thanks

[sweet summit]

@formal vine i run vita+rezan. Never enough haste

[formal vine]

thx

[sick sentinel]

What’s the proc rate on vita?

[amber siren]

1ppm

[sick sentinel]

Excellent

[craggy harness]

not enough haste is what i'm feeling doing lfr at 410 again

well, tbh, not enough everything

[cyan lichen]

hey, kind a stupid question here.
Is there any class that may bring any edge advantage?
I have an Zandalary troll rai now

[sweet summit]

races are all looks

belf/tauren active racial is somewhat usefull for m+

[cyan lichen]

yes, I am asking for M+

[craggy harness]

just to be sure

are you asking for race

or class?

Wording is the second way, but question makes more sense about asking what race

[cyan lichen]

race

we r on the Skyhold discord right?

[sweet summit]

we are

[strong forum]

Apparently vulpera is bis for m+ tanking

Cuz of the 5% hp reduction in first hit

Averages about 1.5k-2k hps for me

[sweet summit]

oh yea furries exist now, forgot about those

[amber siren]

i dont think youre going to get as definite as an answer on racials as compared to how dominant belfs were in legion

[terse oasis]

hmt charge/stun can be useful too

it depends on group/playstyle

they are all close enough that just pick what you prefer

[tropic oriole]

I also thought about this vulpera trait. Nice to hear an actual number

[terse oasis]

NE shadowmeld is probably strongest racial, but you have to play alliance, and that's just not worth the price

[sweet summit]

races are all looks

[tropic oriole]

Well, the dwarf thingy is also strong as fuck

[amber siren]

lots of racials have good uses now

[terse oasis]

yeah alliance for sure has stronger racials for m+

[amber siren]

it really doesnt matter

[terse oasis]

i mean, NE lets you skip a lot easier and faster, if you're going for higher keys, or just speed keys, it's probably best, but for just 'i want to do 15-20s' everything's fine

[sweet summit]

since s4 started i havent used meld to skip anything

[winged grail]

Dark Iron Dwarf - Run fast and remove all those pesky bleeds

(and necrotic btw)

[terse oasis]

the crappy pilar in AD being able to pull it away and meld

is one of the ones that comes to mind

(well two crappy pillars)

[sweet summit]

i send my dps players to suicide

[terse oasis]

lol

[strong forum]

You only do the middle one, the one at volkaal you never do

[terse oasis]

a man of class 😛

[tropic oriole]

necrotic stacks removal is the one I am jealous of

[strong forum]

I mean it's not really a big deal.

[sweet summit]

honestly you can even pull middle pack most weeks too

[strong forum]

That's inting

[terse oasis]

fort teeming last week was oof

[strong forum]

Especially on fort

[sweet summit]

middle pack is not bad if you snap it

[warm plinth]

Pulling middle pack is inting? It's literally nothing if you snap it

[strong forum]

Waaaaaaay too much hp

[warm plinth]

It's a lot of % though

[tropic oriole]

cost and worth 🙂

[sweet summit]

its 13% in one pull

giga efficient

you can even have a rogue/hunter MD saurids to you

[strong forum]

Na

I'll never do that pack

[amber siren]

hmt have a knockdown outside dr, pandaren have an incap, belves have dispel, humans/gnomes/undead can mitigate cc mechanics, nelves can potentially do an extra skip, tauren have aoe stun, trolls berserking, vulpera dr on first hits etc etc etc

like outside of tournament settings

where you can actively choose

it honestly doesnt matter

[warm plinth]

When was Bull Rush changed to not be on DR? It's been on stun DR since the start as far as I know.

[sweet summit]

it still is iirc

[amber siren]

was it put on dr? i thought it wasnt

either way its still good

[strong forum]

Bullrush fucks up your positioning

I can't imagine it being useful as a tank

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's really just asking mobs to hit your back

[sick sentinel]

Memory of Vision major in m+ for ~15keys

[sweet summit]

VoP

[trim minnow]

What uptime % when im in combat un m+ should i go for with shield block

Also noticed spell reflect blocks the corruption eye dmg? Idk if it blocks thing from beyond. Havnt tried yet

[sweet summit]

%uptime doesnt matter

you wanna look at %blocked

it does

[trim minnow]

Does shield block not block all physical dmg 100% of the time?

[sweet summit]

it does

but

you wanna use SB efficiently

[trim minnow]

How so

[sweet summit]

so %uptime doesnt tell you much

[trim minnow]

New to warrior.

What are rfficient ways to use sb

Efficient.

[sweet summit]

whenever you take blockable damage

there isnt a lot too it, but just know that %uptime doesnt say much

you might wanna start logging dungeons

so you can see % blocked hits

[bright drift]

whats better, SB or IP?

you should spam SB if physical packs and IP if magic packs?

(im new too :P)

[mortal brook]

SB is the warrior way

IP is filler except in pure-magic fights

[undone sun]

Kind of, sb should be active when tanking physical damage and ip is more of a damage buffer you have up when you have rage, regardless of damage type

Only time you don't have sb up defensively is if it's pure magic damage intake

Rarely either or

[warm plinth]

And there are not a lot of instances where you're taking pure magic damage.

[bright drift]

Thanks ! 🙂

[warm plinth]

There's like 3 places in dungeons that I'd probably completely forego Shield Block for IP

And that's the last two bosses of ML, and Shadow of Zul

He does melee, but not often and the magic is way scarier

[mortal brook]

and last boss WS!

but even then id SB for the damage increase

[remote tusk]

Spell Reflect is poggers on last boss of Workshop.

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah, first half though

He melees on phase 2 right?

[mortal brook]

yeh

[terse oasis]

wait... can you SR the beam on workshop?

[warm plinth]

Which beam

The gigazap?

[terse oasis]

yeah, they were saying SR is great on workshop

[warm plinth]

Oh, no I don't think you can SR that. But you can SR his pulse blast

Which is like his auto attack

[terse oasis]

oh okay

i thought it was another cyclone strike situation where you can blap them

[warm plinth]

It would just reduce the damage from gigazap

That'd be broken af though if you could

[terse oasis]

and i just didn't know about it

[warm plinth]

We'd finally have a reflect similar to Chaotic Energies

in BFA

[terse oasis]

mass reflect would be cool to get back

[toxic gyro]

That was fun times. However we still have first boss in tos

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I think Cyclone Strike is the closest we get

[toxic gyro]

Consume reflect in junkyard is really good too

[warm plinth]

Yeah. There are definitely some good ones

[terse oasis]

yeah, the wasting strike in WCM is chunky too

[warm plinth]

Sisters in WCM, Sea Blast on 1st boss of Shrine

Ah yeah, wasting strike too

[terse oasis]

running TD5 is hilarious

i was getting 1.2 mil crits last night

[warm plinth]

Yeah we had some nice bursting refreshes last night from our tank. He's a VDH and the TD procs during Meta are...spicy to say the least, especially when it crits

[rose furnace]

Last two bosses in motherlode, don't press shield block, right?

[toxic gyro]

No, don’t use it

Their melee attacks are magic

[rose furnace]

No as in no, don't press it, or no as in I'm wrong?

:+1:

[modern brook]

Never use shieldblock it doesnt even deal damage

All rage to revenge

[strong forum]

You can use SB to boost your SS dmg if you can afford to spend the rage for it

[austere storm]

Would it be better to use that rage on ignore pain if you're trying to mitigate?

[modern brook]

Oh fuck

I'm memeing dude sorry ignore me

[rose furnace]

I'm going to attempt my 17 motherlode key tonight

[modern brook]

Yeah of all the damage intake is magic ignore pain is the way to go

[strong forum]

Yes locky

[rose furnace]

Do I still need to hearth out for the talent swap?

[strong forum]

That was never a real thing

[rose furnace]

Or just say fuck it and tell my healer to buckle up

[strong forum]

You can reflect every 2nd dot

[modern brook]

Just ignore the pain dude

[strong forum]

And use ignore pain / health pot / CDs

[modern brook]

Also yeah 3rd boss should be a rotation between spell reflect and immunity/dispel

[warm plinth]

You can use Shield Block during the intermission phase on last boss; it works on Drill Smash as long as you're facing the boss

[strong forum]

And then rely on your healer

17 shouldn't be an issue

[warm plinth]

Idk how much damage tanks really take from it in the first place, but reducing damage is reducing damage

[strong forum]

When people can complete 23/24

So yeh

[modern brook]

I'll put money on ur limiter being the dps

[rose furnace]

Ty, ty

Yeah I'm only getting big pumpers

[modern brook]

Before u not hearthing to retalent

[strong forum]

Ye having good dps is best midigation

[modern brook]

First rule of tanking is all ur dps are dumb

[warm plinth]

Just play VDH and take no damage from either boss 🙂

[strong forum]

^

[modern brook]

LOL vdh

Good joke

[warm plinth]

Actually not even a joke

[warm plinth]

My M+ tank is a VDH and he literally takes no damage from either boss

Same with Zul in KR

[sweet summit]

VDH are fucking broken

[modern brook]

Yeah it's hard to take damage when ur dead

[stoic pilot]

I wish I had a geared DH

[austere storm]

How would you guys rank tanks in their current state?

[stoic pilot]

Too lazy after gearing warrior lol

[warm plinth]

Like for M+?

[sweet summit]

tank raking are a bit of a meme teebeeaych

[warm plinth]

teebeeaych lol

[mortal brook]

if you're not going past 22s, all tanks are fine

[austere storm]

I'm new to the tanking world but it seems like tanks that provide self healing like dk and dh are more appreciated by healers

[stoic pilot]

Generally false

A good played tank is appreciated by healers

[mortal brook]

its largely the same healing requirements from healers despite how the tank operates

[stoic pilot]

Prot warrior takes such minimal dmg if played well

Idk about dk but DH also pretty strong rn in keys

[mortal brook]

bdk is good when played well, and one of the more unforgiving tanks for button mashing

[stoic pilot]

I only touched it in season 1 and the class operated entirely around Bonestorm and mass pulls lmao

[mortal brook]

bonestorm got nerfed going into s2 \o/

[warm plinth]

yeah BDK will fall the fuck over if a shitty player is behind it

[austere storm]

I'm playing as dps at the 15-20 level and just getting into tanking at the 10-15 level. I notice that dk and dh have comparable healing overall to the healers, but not warriors.

[mortal brook]

nothing else has really changed tho

warriors arent reactive, they're proactive

[stoic pilot]

Look at damage taken over the entire run

[warm plinth]

Well, first of all, DH are only usable right now because of corruption

[stoic pilot]

And compare it from war to dk

[sweet summit]

warriors dont take damage to begin with

[warm plinth]

Because while they take zero damage

They also do zero damage

[stoic pilot]

Praying for TD procs

Which honestly feels pretty bad

Esp on skittish weeks for DH

[warm plinth]

Nah honestly

We've had zero issues in our group this week

Even with skittish

[stoic pilot]

What’s your comp

[warm plinth]

VDH/HDH/Outlaw/BM hunter/HPal

[stoic pilot]

That’s why

[sweet summit]

^

[stoic pilot]

Lol

[austere storm]

Hmm didn't think of looking at damage taken. That seems like a more realistic comparison for tanks and player skill

[warm plinth]

I mean, last season we still had issues even with 2 misdirects on skittish

This season we don't. So I'm happy either way.

[stoic pilot]

Well yeah

[warm plinth]

Feels fuckin bad when you insta peel every pull even with a 5 second head start

[stoic pilot]

Our comp you’d struggle with

Ret pally bm havoc

Lmao

[warm plinth]

lol

All the AoE burst you could ever want

[stoic pilot]

It’s pretty spicy to be honest

And it’s not that bad if the pally goes crusade

[sick spindle]

Guys, I need some trinket advice. I focus on M+ in the 18/19/20 region and usually run with HPal, Outlaw & DH + one flex slot. I have the following:
475 Humming Black Dragonscale (socket)
465 Vial of Animated Blood (socket)
470 Lingering Psychic Shell
475 Sigil of Warding
460 Vita-Charged Titanshard

[strong forum]

Scale + psychic shell for defensive play

But mostly scale + vita for dps

Cuz shit doesn't hurt on those levels

[sick spindle]

Thanks! Simply for max haste, I suppose.
Anybody else have a different opinion/insight?

[warm plinth]

Nope. I'd say the same thing

[sly vine]

Hey guys. I'm looking to learn and progress in tanking from 10 to 15 or higher. Which guide should I refer to, wowhead/iv? I'm assuming I should stack Bastion of Might+BfI, 1 DC, and for essences VoP major, Aegis, Lucid?

For 3rd minor: my CnS is rank 2 so far, is it still better than anything else?

[warm plinth]

VoP major, C&S, Lucid, Sphere, Formless, Aegis minors

[strong forum]

Icy veins is written from the current theorycrafter of prot warriors and advocated in this discord

[sly vine]

All right I'll check the Icy veins

[strong forum]

Also the dude that writes the the apl for raidbots

[sly vine]

On the 3rd ring is it better to get dps or tank azerites?

[strong forum]

Dps

[warm plinth]

DPS

[strong forum]

Tank azerites perform very poorly

Compared to dps

[sly vine]

And how about the CnS question: rank 2 better than anything else?

[strong forum]

It's good

[warm plinth]

Is everything else R3?

[sly vine]

Yes

[warm plinth]

It's probably still worth using tbh. I would definitely shoot for R3 as soon as you can though.

[strong forum]

Formless void gives you a nice chunk in dps, warden is decent defensively.
Sphere / lucid / aegis are solid

[sly vine]

Yeah I'm working at R3 right now still have 4 weeks to go can't find reliable team to push past 1.5k rating

[warm plinth]

Feels bad

Honestly if you can play DPS, just find another DPS that's bursty like havoc or ret and just blast shit

[brisk ferry]

if you have another character with R3, just wait til reset

[warm plinth]

Don't even really have to be good at PvP to get to 1600

Or that

[sly vine]

Will try that, thanks

[lunar jackal]

when going high keys and going for tankiness. is psychic shell better than EP trinks?

[strong forum]

They serve different purposes

But yes

[lunar jackal]

could you explain please?

[strong forum]

Especially edict Falls short

EP trinkets lose value because of loss of ilvl and their relative size compared to HP pool.

Psychic shell is used for large hits for example tank buster and pillars in general

Whereas urchin is simply just raw hps

[lunar jackal]

y see

i*

[strong forum]

Even at max stacks an edict is only about half as strong as psychic shell for example

And urchins 4k hps compared to 800-900k hp isn't a whole lot

[thorn valley]

!wa

[strong forum]

#ui-addons-manager

;)

[thorn valley]

ty sir

[strong forum]

And #268491842637660160

[lunar jackal]

so what are people using then psy and?

vita?

[wild sandal]

is it worth using vita and razan , 460 and 465 , or should i use a 465 vial instead for m+ mostly, i also have 475 wrathio trinket but idk if its good, maybe in raids

[mental scarab]

Wrath is like rezan trinket in haste value i belive

And juicy str at 475

Then you have cool wings

Be cool

[warm plinth]

I'd go with Wrathion and Vita probably

[craggy harness]

is it really cool, if everyone has same wings?

[grand drum]

yes

[lunar jackal]

475 rezan 475 butchers 460 vita (socketed) what do i choose for m+? (second spot goes to psychic shell)

[warm plinth]

Rezan probably. But what level keys are you doing that you need shell?

[lunar jackal]

now only 17s but my team has finally caught up

we start pushing next week onwards

(they had quit now came back)

[quartz jackal]

Guys i need help.

Trinket 1:
ilvl: 420
Strength: 433
Use: increase your critical strike by 1,344 for 15 sec

Trinket 2:
ilvl 460
+229 Vers
Equip: Your spells and abilities have a chance to shroud you in void, absorbing 70k dmg for 15 sec. Critical strike is increased by 1,543 while the shroud persists.

i dont know wich one to equip, especially when one has strength and the other does not. Could you help me decide this dilemma.

trinket 1: Frist mates spyglass

trinket 2: Void-twisted titanshard

[sweet summit]

is that the only trinkets you have?

[quartz jackal]

i have been so unlucky with this its insane, i have rezans gleaming eye in mythic 15 though so i finally got a good one

465

1000 haste if procced

but those two are the ones im bouncing betwenn atm

i am farming

killed ra den did not get vita got the other one instead..

so im wondering which one of these i am supposed to equip

[sweet summit]

unluck

[tame garden]

[sweet summit]

i wanna say void just cuz the ilvl difference

but void is giga bad

[strong forum]

its straight up unusable for most classes

idk who would ever design such a bad trinket

but then i remember plating exists

[terse oasis]

midas is also a dumpster fire

[strong forum]

idk who ever came up with that

[terse oasis]

the plating is however, ultra dumb

[strong forum]

and didnt think it wasnt gonna be better than stuff 50ilvl lower

[sick sentinel]

Doesn’t the plating equate to only a couple percent damage reduction lol. Such a bad design

[strong forum]

it equals to 0 DR

cuz you drop your stacks INSTANTLY

it literally has 0% uptime

[terse oasis]

^

it only works when you don't need it

you're better off with literally anything else

[edgy bone]

Hey who was i talking about mindflay with the other week?

1 million damage in a 20 second fightg

[strong forum]

Balanced

And completely intended

[terse oasis]

you want balanced?

[tame garden]

🐻

[terse oasis]

(i was carrying someone through a like 5)

[frail hemlock]

is there any info out on how long its going to take to acquire the currency to buy essences on alts?

[distant crystal]

our spriest spawned 3 tentacles on a bloodswarmer that was eating his lunch

revenge!

lookin like the deathstar

[strong forum]

Nobody knows @frail hemlock

[terse oasis]

yeah, we're all hoping it wont be cancer, but with how blizzard was against it then did a sudden 180.. it could be 1 per dungeon, or 1 a week

[strong forum]

Or like legiondaries

So like 2-3 per week if you do literally everything

Iirc

[warm plinth]

I think 1 a week would be fine tbh

Ideally more often than that, but I would be okay with 1 a week per alt

[strong forum]

Mh

[terse oasis]

So if you get like 1 token per 'thing that gives tokens' and it's 4-5 per essence, that would be cool

[distant crystal]

i'm predicting...5 currency per

[strong forum]

It's gonna be an arbitrary 1000

[warm plinth]

It won't be arbitrary

It'll be because Wakening/Writhing Essences were 1k 😏

inb4 we get 3-5 of them per WQ

[strong forum]

Inb4 it'll be a bigger chore than just doing shit normally

[warm plinth]

Haha

When they say normal activities, they mean you have to do all bonus objectives and dailies 7 days a week to get 1

[strong forum]

Yup

Totally expecting that

[frail hemlock]

yall are scaring me :x

[strong forum]

🙃

By this point we all know, blizzard values 'time played' more than 'fun had'

[frail hemlock]

i would be happy with 2 essences per week

[strong forum]

Thankfully I need only 1 on my alt, rest I already have

And cba farming AP and azerite gear on an old 8.1 alt

Not to mention visions

There's still way too many chores

Besides just essences

[frail hemlock]

ya catching up on cloak, even after the changes, still quite a hassle

[warm plinth]

I guess I'm fortunate in that visions don't feel like a chore to me

[strong forum]

Ugh I hate it

[frail hemlock]

i dont mind the visions, but to catch up you really have to do all dailies to have enough vessels to catch up

[strong forum]

Exactly

That's like 1-1.5hrs a day still

• AP shit

[warm plinth]

What's 1-1.5 hours a day?

[frail hemlock]

they should make the daily lesser vision 3k every time, not just the first time each week

[strong forum]

To get vessels

[warm plinth]

🤔 I was doing all bonus objectives and all dailies for like a month and it was taking me like an hour tops to do both zones, and that was if it was like double rares

[distant crystal]

[strong forum]

Was dat

[distant crystal]

coallescing

[strong forum]

Wanna see mine?

[distant crystal]

gonna go ham next week lol

[strong forum]

0 on vdh 0 on war

:chad:

[frail hemlock]

lol

[strong forum]

I just hit revered yesterday in uldum

[distant crystal]

yike

oh wait you're a dirty classic player aintcha

[strong forum]

No?

I'm 478 ilvl in bags

R14 cloak

[distant crystal]

@warm plinth post the pic

[warm plinth]

What pic

[strong forum]

I just never did more than the absolute minimum

[warm plinth]

The meme pic is for @lusty grotto not Nome

[distant crystal]

ah shit

[strong forum]

Only assaults, no dailies

[distant crystal]

my apologies

[strong forum]

:angery:

[distant crystal]

i do dailies to complete the assault

and daily visions

[strong forum]

Cba

[distant crystal]

and on my main i'm grinding rajani rep for the stupid augment rune

[strong forum]

Dailies are the worst thing in wow

[warm plinth]

You guys are so far behind

[strong forum]

I much more prefer WQs

[distant crystal]

oh and also doing daily naz followers on my rogue

for the account wide r4 lucid :p

[warm plinth]

Nazjatar followers is the easiest thing though

[distant crystal]

quarantine baby

[warm plinth]

You can do all 3 dailies in like 5 minutes most days

[strong forum]

^

[fiery copper]

hey guys quick question for mythic plus....at what point do I want to sacrifice ilvl azerite for 3 bastion of might? i only have a 480 helm with bastion then other two pieces are junk. is it better to wear 450 bastion pieces over 475?

[distant crystal]

7 toons x 3 weekly assaults tho

oof

[strong forum]

I will get paid leave in 2 weeks, for 2 weeks

[warm plinth]

Just do the bonus objectives. They're all easy and you'll finish the assault by doing them

[strong forum]

No Wapa

[warm plinth]

Get a WQ addon that shows them on your map

[strong forum]

You don't sac ilvl for bom unless the 475 piece is literally bloodsport + callous reprisal

[fiery copper]

ok

ty 🙂

[bright drift]

how many corruption are u tanking m+6?

m+*?

[terse oasis]

in a 6 key? i'd run up to 79 corruption

[potent anvil]

<40 if you want to play safe, but you can do <60 for most keys.

[terse oasis]

i wont be doing more than 40 corruption on 'serious' keys, a bad string of things from beyond and it's rip

on lower keys, you can kite/move around and not screw up as much

[kind geyser]

if you're trying to emasculate alts then aim high, if you want to finish a rough key on time then <40

[terse oasis]

that sounds pretty on target blue

[potent anvil]

Depends on the dungeon and what you're pulling. <60 in FH this week is fine for example. Nothing will kill you even if you have to eat a tfb. But it ultimately comes down to preference.

[terse oasis]

but really, 10 keys and lower are easily doable in 430 gear

in anything over a 16, i try to stay under 40.. right now i'm right at 40 but i'm greedy with TDs

[strong forum]

i once did a 16 with 88 corruption

still timed it

[bright drift]

and which corrupt is bis?

twisted?

[terse oasis]

TD

[strong forum]

TD

[terse oasis]

appendage is good, but TD is bis

EV and IS are the only meh damage ones now

[strong forum]

EV is still pretty good

[terse oasis]

and IS just cause it targets anything, so it doesn't build up

[strong forum]

EV3 is still like 6k dps

[terse oasis]

I guess

for the corruption tho, ev/appendage feels better

err not ev, TD

[strong forum]

eh

appendage is rng af

not as bad as IS

but still not amazing

[bright drift]

ty!

[distant crystal]

gushing is sick too

[karmic onyx]

-465 Rezans w/socket
-460 Dragonscale
-460 Vita
which two?

[nimble brook]

I'd prob use vita and rezan since it has a socket

[strong forum]

^ye

[distant crystal]

vita is a little better on average than dragonscale, but dragonscale is more consistent

but rezan 4eva at that lvl/sock

[karmic onyx]

Makes sense. Ty

[sweet summit]

rezan vita gang

[distant crystal]

been using psychus/vita lately

i actually gave away a 465 rezan

was bigger for dk fren

[ionic fern]

Dragonscale/Lingering for me. 👀

[strong forum]

was about to bonkcat you

[distant crystal]

my vita has a socket :p

[strong forum]

but then remembered theres 2 lingering

[ionic fern]

😂

[sweet summit]

sike

[distant crystal]

lol

[ionic fern]

Should have been more clear, sorry.

[distant crystal]

in b4 it's actually sporepods

[ionic fern]

I ment the Sporepods.

[distant crystal]

kek

[strong forum]

i dont think i can trust this statement

[ionic fern]

Mistyped Psychic Lingering, sorry.

[distant crystal]

so is mecha chest better than ashvane cuirass now

bom clockwork op seems legit

[terse oasis]

gushing is only in the game as a joke, it doesn't exist on actual gear

[distant crystal]

guildy got boe ring with gush from mythic this week

[terse oasis]

fake

[distant crystal]

https://tenor.com/IAoz.gif

[terse oasis]

it's a counterfit

[distant crystal]

like those stiff ass dollars in the gif

[terse oasis]

exactly

[distant crystal]

o wait actually it wasn't gush

it was t3 tentacle

https://tenor.com/bbCnG.gif

[terse oasis]

called it, counterfit 😛

[slim musk]

do warriors have a similar site to wingsisup that paladins have?

[lusty grotto]

WHO PINGED ME

[distant crystal]

disturbing his BWL run smh

[warm plinth]

No we don't @slim musk

[slim musk]

Would you say the icy veins guide is best place for a new tank?

[limpid pawn]

Is clockwork better than heart of darkness?

[distant crystal]

it's very slightly higher average stat gain

but basically identical, just a matter of if you want consistent or big boost once a minute

but if you're avataring during the clockwork buff

it's big pog

[ionic fern]

@slim musk icy-veins is aimed at mostly new tanks yes.

[limpid pawn]

Damn then I think I may be done with my gear lol

I’m 478 with td3

[distant crystal]

why no td6