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#protection
nimble mauve
autumn pendant
Im sure people would eat them alive if it was only for rank 1
Since those are easiest to get
nimble mauve
yeah. im pretty sure if you have r1 on your alt, and you have r3 on another character, you can buy rank 3 on your alt
pls dont hurt me sir
exotic nebula
Hello all, between the 3 trinkets. 455 Mchimba's ritual bandage, 445 bloodthirsty urchin w socket, and 460 void-twisted titanshard. Which to use for prot warrior?
left hatch
.... those are awful choices
nimble mauve
actually you might not even need r1 on an alt
left hatch
Both bandages and void are worthless
nimble mauve
dude the bandage is lit
left hatch
ig void for rn just for the mainstat
sick sentinel
urchin is good
nimble mauve
gets eaten in 1 hit
left hatch
and yah urchin
nimble mauve
big pog
left hatch
cause its good
modest thistle
craggy harness
do i gamble on a chest or do i not
mutter
i lost the TP lottery
So chest it is
./quit
well, no bom, but at least there's bloodrite on it
craggy harness
i can't. it got my CnS 3
naive panther
I got lucky. Bom on all three of my pieces of gambled. And one has bom with dc.
lofty sequoia
Hey guys, so last nights hc clear was good for me.. so now I have to choose between void-twisted titanshard, Sigil of warding and Lingering pshysic shell and the trinket from Wrathion. But What do I use? 😂 primarily doing dungeons
left hatch
void is garbage
sigil of warding is meh
psychic shell doesn't really shine till you g et close to 20 keys but its not awful
wrathion is always good
so for rn Shell + Scale and look out for a Vita, Rezan or Butchers Block to sub in for shell till you get to high keys
lofty sequoia
Thank you kindly sir
I knew the void wasen’t good.. But never had the opputunity to try the others.
amber siren
95% of what you do will be fine with double haste trinkets, only time you’ll need to worry is in high keys 20+ or certain mythic bosses you’ll need to re-evaluate
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2shNX3s6aMc&feature=emb_title found a nice guide on prot warriors, lemme know what yall think. i found it very helpful.
lofty sequoia
@amber siren as for now.. I’m sitting on around 1.7 or 1.8k haste raw stat. Using the Wrathion trinket atm.. so my initial thoughts was that I Dont need more haste, But prob some more survivability
lofty sequoia
I Guess not 😂
dawn jasper
For tyrannical weeks is it worth switching from Booming Voice to Devastator, for ~15+ keys? I've always played Booming but I've seen higher io players using Devastator
amber siren
i dont have any math for that but i cant imagine it'd be worth the aoe dps loss
undone sun
do you have a link to those? just took a quick look at the top 6 and their most recent runs are BV
dawn jasper
I was just looking at the guys higher than me on my realm. They're not pushing above 20s so I thought I'd see what they were doing. I know that there's a big difference with how you play at the 15 level compared to >20s and I'm only just getting to 15s. Just got curious is all. Cheers guys!!!
left hatch
Deva is only. a dps talent for ST
so workshop use it sure
but its a survivability loss
and any other key its a dps loss as well
dawn jasper
Okay, sure thing. Workshop is pretty ST friendly so that makes sense. Thanks man!
left hatch
np
quick elk
Bursting, there is no counter play warriors can use to really deal with stacks. Just have to rely on the healer, pots and that group starts to watch stacks in future?
brittle owl
p much
the only thing that you can do as a tank is to pull uneven hp mobs, or just chainpull packs so bursting doesnt stack too high
brittle owl
reducing damage and living doesn't help when everyone else dies though
sharp night
true
i usually run with hpal/outlaw/havoc/bm so they're never at risk of dying if we accidentally roll
3 immunities and havoc's stupid self healing/blur lol
quick elk
Yeah that makes a bit of sense, thanks guys
hard cipher
Bursting is dps affix imo
Just get your hands off keyboards for a few seconds
stop being smash buttons monkey
remote tusk
Laughs in Kings Rest
hard cipher
yeah
but you if you pull all slimes you die
but someone is telling you at the same time
''YOU GOTTA DO IT''
inner voic
sick sentinel
Anyone can give me some tips, should i use Echoing Void T2 or increas the amount of Crit strike you gain by 9% from all sources? Its for m+ >.<
steep wraith
Does anyone run defensive trinkets still or is it all just haste haste haste
slate pilot
@sick sentinel You should sim. Im guessing EV Will pull ahead though.
@steep wraith I think people run defensive trinkets at high keys. Im at the 20-21 mark and Ive not been using defensives yet
sick sentinel
@slate pilot You cant sim as tank i guess?
slate pilot
You can. But you sim for damage. You cannot sim defensively
sick sentinel
oh true ^^
toxic wadi
How do we survive in motherlode?
slate pilot
What part is it you struggle with? The last two bosses?@toxic wadi
toxic wadi
Magic damagd
slate pilot
During the entire dungeon?@toxic wadi
The peacekeepers do a ton of damage While they have ”Charged Claw” up. Kite them if you dont have cooldowns/externals up.
lapis panther
does someone have the tanksheet for dungeons whats blockable and what you can reflect and what not?
toxic wadi
@slate pilot Should I talent into never surrender?
slate pilot
If you struggle a LOT for the last two bosses, then you can hearthstone out and swap to never surrender. Its commonly used for higher keys. Do not use never surrender for the entire dungeon though
For the last two bosses only spend rage on ignore pain. They do not deal any blockable damage
timid saddle
Could also try to get your hands on maut or nzoth trinket, it does wonders on the last 2
toxic wadi
Oh ok cool, thanks both of you
wise rivet
hey there, can someone help me out with some azerite item choice?
im standing in a balance between ilvl and traits etc
what to pick here? which colors for head + shoulders based on my only armor choice and if any trait ring change etc.. im thinking of green head + blue shoulders atm cuz of heart of darkness
wise rivet
no traits stacks or anything would pay ilvl off?
wise rivet
even if it would mean going without any DC trait? 🤔
amber siren
yes
wise rivet
uuhm okay, thanks
blazing gale
Those are my items, help me to decide what to wear:) tommorrow i iwll also have 460 engii helmet
amber siren
celest portal
I cant make up my mind for mythic tanking as prot war or blood dk, both are around 470 ilvl. Sell me on one
wise rivet
roll a die -> odd numbers = dk / even numbers = warrior
jokes apart, i find dk boring myself so i'd always say go warrior
mortal brook
mechanically perfectable and predictable. super nice
mortal brook
you enjoy what you enjoy man
shadow wind
For a KR 20 this week, is it work lusting the 4 pack of constructs or holding for bosses?
worth*
sick sentinel
at the beginning?
south lantern
How is the searing flames corruption? Is it garbage?
south lantern
so better to cleanse
strong forum
if you have better stuff, ye
craggy harness
hmm, slightly off topic but
mythic raiding, stormrage or area-52
moving someone.
no heightened expectations, just curious.
wary lantern
are you guys raiding with booming voice, or devastator?
amber siren
boom
wary lantern
kk
amber siren
only going to run dev if youre pushing your logs
wary lantern
the thing is, it is possible we will have only 1 tank available for raid, so i may be needed to step in, but i tank only M+ 😄
warm plinth
Probably means with just Shield Block
woven venture
M+ tanking or mythic raid? Should play what you want either way but in m+ war is godlike and at a high enough key level DK falls over to trash mobs randomly
I rarely burn him until 40+ stacks. Even without wall as long as you don't drop SB you are fine.
If a crush takes more than half my health through block I will burn him then.
naive panther
Depends what lvl of key it is. I’ve had him up to 70 or so before. But other times in pugs Druid having a fit because it went over 40. Can get a lot higher if you communicate cds and externals with your healer.
All you need is shield block and some ip to survive. But at high stacks it gets hard when those are down even with things like shield block or externals.
woven venture
Yeah I mean it's going to depend on key level.
mild latch
Hello, a question about Demoralizing Shout and Vexiona's Despair/Shattered Resolve.
Does DS reduce the damage of the ticks only if I use it before the debuff is applied? Or popping it after debuff is on me helps as well?
timber lake
dumb question but does deafening crash stack?
warm plinth
The damage does; the duration extension does not.
Thus it's pretty lackluster after the first trait.
warm plinth
Or even just back to what it used to be where you could extend it indefinitely lol
sick sentinel
Those were simpler times
night badger
Hey any tank online to help do a Normal Nzoth
outer dew
@warm plinth has a 2 hour duration 😊
warm plinth
Awww yiss
south lantern
What corruptions are you guys running in raid? It seems like infinite stars is the way to go
Maybe gushing wound after that
But twilight devastation is awful on most fights
And so Is echoing void
strong forum
uhm
twilight deva is good on most fights
inifnite stars is awful on most fights
seems you had the 2 confused my friend
left hatch
IS is only worth it on Wrathion, maut, Xanesh, vexiona, Shadhar, Raden and ilgynoth
and Workshop for M+
everywhere else its terrible
elder isle
what % of damage should Rank 3 Null Barrier do?
i just got it
i wanna feel happy i grinded it out XD
elder isle
is that to single target?
strong forum
it never does more than its proc
left hatch
and workshop
strong forum
bad in low keys
left hatch
(and by high keys he means 20range)
left hatch
before that point you get more defensive value and dps out of things like CnS, sphere, aegis
etc
ruby nexus
^
elder isle
yea i think morrison earlier told me to get MDT or something
and then just follow those routs
ima do dat
left hatch
like ignoring the last bridge in workshop is a godsend
woven venture
Yeah, awakened makes every dungeon other than maybe Atal dazar easier, and only because they put obelisks in places in AD where you might need to do stuff to avoid fighting double honor guard or the mid pack depending on week.
plucky jacinth
Awakened is the best of the four season affixes imo.
woven venture
I didn't play s1 or 2, but awakened kicks the shit out of beguiling, that's for sure.
south lantern
atal dazar is so hard to push
ruby nexus
I have only timed one +15 atal this season and I'm not looking forward to doing more
left hatch
just have a dps sacrifice themselves to pull away from the dinomancer or double honor gaurd pack
and its the same key as last season
ruby nexus
Volkaal and huge damage procs on totems is super fun too
left hatch
yah thats a fair complaint
flint cliff
ive heard this trinket is picking up some momentum among mythic+ players. any thoughts on it?
left hatch
its ok in ST
in aoe the splash rarely happens though
so for most M+ dungeons its eh
flint cliff
maybe i had it confused with merekthas fang
in fact im pretty sure i do thats my bad
left hatch
Workshop, (and on high tyranical seige and KR) its not an awful pick
cause of the huge healthpools of st bosses
flint cliff
yeah, for now ill just stick with the tried and true humming/ vita
prisma oracle
Is the corruption on wrathion weapon worth it ?
Im at 70 corruption and its terrible :p
strong forum
really now
hallow phoenix
If you can stack things up yeah
With corners or snaps
I think in JY it did like ... 1k
strong forum
so its quite inconsistent
hallow phoenix
Very, when I do run it I have to play with it in mind
But in the right dungeons it is almost like a third TD for me
prisma crane
that's the main good thing about it is that it's predictable
but you really have to play around it which can be rough sometimes
gilded lance
yo bois just got the carapace shoulders, what inner ring traits should i go with? gutripper, heed my call or ablastive shielding?
prisma crane
heed
hallow phoenix
I like heed
prisma crane
imo
hallow phoenix
Comparable up gutripper on St, but potential to do better in aoe
hallow phoenix
sawtooth
servant splitter is really great on single target fights
but the stats will serve you better in aoe and defense
stone lodge
kk ty a lot
strong forum
sawtooth is pretty much bis for m+
stone lodge
lucky me then 😄
prisma crane
same lol
stone lodge
gg
prisma crane
but keep the splitter, does really good ST, so workshop and raids for sure
grand spruce
how useful is the avoidance based on %stat corruption?
hallow phoenix
not very
avoidance isnt as great as it was in legion because there arent many aoe abilities that threaten us anymore
But in antorus for example avoidance was good on dogs, coven, argus, etc
grand spruce
ah okay
fringe marten
Crushing Slam from bilgerat demolishers (2 headed giants) in Siege is not reflectable right? it's a linear aoe not a targeted ability
hallow phoenix
ive never heard of it being reflectable
fringe marten
Didn't think so; was just looking at abilities on mobs and noticed it was nature damage and thought "..naw..can't be.."
Becuse it would be such a sick reflect people would talk about it frequently; the amount of damage it would do.
oblique garnet
Its physical frontal
fringe marten
Is MDT wrong then? The tooltip for it?
grand spruce
what would be essences to run this week? i was thinking vop major, lucid, void and spehre minor
fringe marten
Would make sense why it kills us if we accidentally take it; most physical aoe's tend not to be that scary when you accidentally get hit by them...because they're filtered through armor so much.
But anyway; didn't think it was reflectable..because I always thought it would be physical damage too. People woulda' been talking about reflecting huge hits from it in season 1..
fringe marten
Right; hence why I assumed it wasn't. It's a giant hit..if it were reflectable people would have been talking about reflecting 700k hits back in season 1...and it would have been a thing we always did. But I always thought it would be physical too..once I read the tooltip I figured I'd ask instead of assuming I was right.
limpid pawn
for high tyranical motherlode boss 3/4
what is the best defensive set up?
never surrender, and vengeancE?
hallow phoenix
BV > vengeance
i think some people swap to never surrender. How high are we talking here?
south lantern
HI guys - I'm getting destroyed by the debuff on Carapace
How do you all survive that?
After first stack I just melt
hallow phoenix
Whats your ilvl and is this mythic or heroic
oblique garnet
Reflect it
south lantern
heroic, I'm 459 ilvl
hallow phoenix
You shouldnt be melting, and can reflect an application when he's casting his... slam... thing that applies it
Make sure youre blocking still, boss always melees
Do you have any logs
south lantern
Ill try spell reflect on this pull - thanks
hallow phoenix
yeah just SR during mandible slam and it prevents an application
limpid pawn
when i was asking earlier, imeant like 20+ keys
and for rixxa/last boss you do NOT go vengeance?
flint cliff
ive been told triple deafening crash is doodoo
what would you guys choose instead?
hallow phoenix
a higher resolution image >.<
flint cliff
discord compression
hallow phoenix
Helm: BfI, Bastion
Shoulders: IF, Bastion
Chest: DC, Bastion
flint cliff
kk thanks. would engineering helm be a worthy investment for me?
flint cliff
alright im full sending it on blacksmithing pog
opal python
you guys know what time rio addon gets the daily update?
is it before after reset?
EU*
flint cliff
bury the hatchet or resounding?
hallow phoenix
resounding
warm plinth
@opal python Assuming you're updating via Twitch, it updates at 6:00 UTC
south lantern
Is fusion hacker any good?
mortal brook
without corruption, certainly can be until oodles of targets
south lantern
so better on ST fights
south lantern
What gems and enchants should I be using?
grand drum
force multiplier, haste and haste
errant oriole
475 Block
475 wrathion trinket
465 rezans
Which 2?
sick sentinel
wrathion and block
amber siren
shimmering haven is not that great, only a minor HP boost with some armour as long as you stand in it which doesnt happen in that many fights
worldly sky
quick question
kinda new to prot
anyone knows what enchants i need to use on my weapon and shield
sick sentinel
Force multiplier on weapon, haste enchants on rings
wheat talon
in AD does anyone know if you can get to the spire near Vol'Kaal without pulling the double honor guard pack near it?
distant crystal
if you have someone pull the pack away for you
dawn jasper
Have someone pull them away and stealth/feint etc
distant crystal
and die/meld/vanish after the rest of the group goes in
dawn jasper
Lol
wheat talon
but if you don't do that you'll aggro it?
distant crystal
correct
the single honorguard pack at the beginning of undead side can be avoided
with a well timed distract
terse dragon
anyone not able to get a full SR on first boss Temple?
fringe marten
What do you mean? getting all the cyclones?
sharp night
make sure every hit is blocked
copper lion
i cant have 100% uptime on shield block/last stand
copper lion
i should be using ignore pain when I can right
copper lion
we wiped 3 times because I died
fringe marten
Unless you're trying to push through on a fairly tough key, and never take him to fire...the only reason the tree would pose a problem is it your shield is really underleveled. A lot of the times when I see a prot warrior in this channel say "I'm really having a tough time with..(a boss that should be easy for that point)" after a while of discussion we discover they have a very low ilevel shield.
fringe marten
eh..what's the key level?
fringe marten
So you're doing content that would drop a 465 ilevel item. Your shield is directly responsible for how much damage you mitigate on a block. That many stacks wouldn't be a problem if your shield were 465~+
copper lion
we were carrying a dps
final mist
30k st or something
final mist
Get better DPS
fringe marten
But at 440 it's a 'little' low for that content; a little as in...it's 25 ilevels below the level that content drops. Which is substantial.
fringe marten
So buffer it..play to what you have; pull him into fire...dump his stacks; pop Rally cry if you need to help healer keep the group up.
final mist
Well yeah, the boss is taking several lengths of time longer than it should, plus your shield sucks.
fringe marten
Yeah; He's overstacked vs your ilevel...so you have to do the fight 'normally' and take him to fire
final mist
Even with carrying someone, it shouldn’t take that long.
fringe marten
So just take him to a patch of fire before he gets to 'scary' territory...instead of trying to force your way through without burning his stacks off. When you get a465+ shield..you'll see a large jump in how much you're filtering.
fringe marten
Because not only will you gain the block amount from 25 ilevels of shield, but the armor as well. You'll see a noticable jump in how much you're blocking.
Your goal as a prot warrior is to get a tier appropriate shield ASAP every time a new tier is available. IE ....every time a new M+ season is released I go smash on Atal Dazar until my eyes bleed~ and then I walk away with some cool toys from it.
azure flame
Guys, if I cumulate multiple TD items. Is it increase proc rate or damage done by TD
copper lion
i got melee'd for 197k then 2 secs later for 29&k
final mist
Damage.
copper lion
297k
fringe marten
Weirdly enough AD went from the chillest easy key to kinda' tight on time this season with the addition of the 4 mini bosses.
copper lion
on last attempt
final mist
Did you block either?
fringe marten
Jirsa yeah; even assuming you're doing the rotation 'properly' your ilevel, but specifically shield ilevel...is really hurting you.
final mist
And how many stacks was he at?
fringe marten
20 stack 15 tyrannical waycrest tree boss is not rough at all.
fringe marten
Jirsa; are you understanding what we're saying about the shield ilevel? Do you know why it's so critical?
copper lion
shouldmt
fringe marten
(I'm guessing you do not)
copper lion
yes I do
fringe marten
Ok, then you aren't 458 ilevel
copper lion
?
fringe marten
'block' is so insanely critical for warrior, it IS our strength. If you are 475 ilevel...but have a 440 shield, you're still gonna' get trucked by raid mobs/tough tyrannical bosses.
The difference between 458 ilevel and 475'ish like a lot of other 'well geared' warriors, in terms of armor and actual mitigation % is VERY small.
The difference between a 440 shield and 465+ is HUGE.
final mist
Are you saving CDs for higher stacks or just blowing everything early?
Even if you are, you shouldn’t be going that long without having something up
CDs rotate frequently and are up often
sharp night
even with a 440 shield it shouldn't be that bad
final mist
Okay but what about shield wall and shit
undone sun
Shield wall, demo shout
sharp night
i did a 17 wcm on my warr with a 430 shield at the start of the season and didn't die
final mist
Those aren’t things you save, you use those for when you aren’t going to have SB
DS you use basically on CD
sharp night
465 will make it significantly easier but it's not the diff between living and dying on a 15
fringe marten
On an infinite timeline a prot warrior has very few periods of time where we have no block up; it definitely does happen..and he may squeeze a smash in on you..MAYBE, if you have to tank a really long time. but with smart delaying of using abilities you can assure you'll have a block up every time.
Waycrest is the hotness for AoE zonewide parses..that's where you'll see your biggest ones.
fringe marten
Well...just saying that Waycrest has the largest amount of AoE 'smash' so you'd want to be running your standard Booming voice.
final mist
In all honesty, and this is gonna sound toxic, but my only real advice is to just
Get better
Both you and your group
fringe marten
And everyone cares about dungeons parses because if you're trying to push keys forward it means you're trying to push more damage (along with a lot of other things).
final mist
Even carrying a DPS, on tyrannical week, you shouldn’t hit 37+ stacks on boss
That means your DPS are doing fuckall for boss DPS
Like actually afk
copper lion
idk i mean it is tyrannical
final mist
I know what you mean, and I’d like you to re-read what I wrote
fringe marten
To Sal's point though...you are seeing one of the issues that people mistakenly blame tanks for. You can only tank something that is 'difficult' for so long before you fall apart, if it isn't dead. This goes for lots of varying levels of playskill and key strengths...but still applies.
copper lion
i just started tanking on my warrior so Im just trying to see what I cold have done better on this boss that seemed to be just chunking me
i normally dps
its my alt too
sharp night
37 isn't really that high for tyr, pretty sure i have hit 50+ before at higher keys
final mist
From what I’m hearing, you are not the entire problem
37 is high for a 15
Even on tyrannical
fringe marten
Your shield is 25 ilevels under what you could, or should have (if you just smash 14's until you spit a shield out) However, a 440 is still servicable to a degree in there..but it'll make you take a decent bit more damage. That being said..IF you're playing properly you will still crumble at some point if bosses or trash packs are living so long that you're just hitting those bigger gaps in your mitigation when you've had to burn everything and are just in a 'dry' state of ..pushing a dps rotation until the next shield block charge refreshes.
sharp night
witches barely do any tank damage
final mist
^
sharp night
the small witches don't matter because they do nothing without the iris buff
fringe marten
You watch a high key, on youtube..watch a prot warrior tank it. They do a 'big' trash pull because everyone has their cooldowns.. Look at what happens with that warriors HP; even if he's running lucid dreams major..you'll see random big spikes sometimes; but the healer can get through those; and then the pack dies. If that pack DIDN'T die fairly quickly...he'd be smoked, no matter what or be forced to kite.
The tanks survivability to some degree is in the hands of the DPS in a lot of situations.
copper lion
not sure if it was a heal erproblem
sharp night
tree boss is the only one that does damage in wcm besides lord waycrest but you can reflect every other wasting strike
fringe marten
If your dps are really bad...on a boss that keeps growing in power; if you don't burn off his stacks..he's gonna' kill you at SOME point on a timeline no matter what.
copper lion
i just felt like i was bad, i normally do high keys on my dps dk and just failing as tank in there was depressing
fringe marten
That's why sal said...everyone needs to 'get better' You have some growing to do in gear to get to where you should be tanking 15's+ and they probably have a LOT Of growing to do in terms of damage output to mitigate fights FOR you.
sharp night
carrying someone in a 15 is pretty questionable if the rest of your group is alts too
fringe marten
That's the sad/tough part about pugging rando keys. You get in groups with mediocre or bad dps and you're just slogging through awful trash packs, no one is lining up cooldowns..etc... so you just feel limp because you're having to tank for extended periods of time on trash packs that should have died long ago. Then IF you die because it spirals out of control...they think you're a weak tank because you didn't live forever~
sharp night
at least on trash you can just kite until something is back up
final mist
You shouldn’t have to tho
If you’re carrying someone in a 15, the DPS are presumably not trash
sharp night
not on 15s yeah
final mist
And able to kill shit relatively quickly
fringe marten
Yeah; with the amount of dps players do now...I think kiting is an old strat not needed any more. (or rarely)
final mist
Like
sharp night
it's still needed for sure at really high keys
final mist
I do a solid 100-200k DPS on trash, depending on what build I’m doing
sharp night
or if you play with lower dps
fringe marten
One of the easiest keys this week I feel; Temple of Sethralis. I did two this evening..a 17, and an 18. Both were timed..the 17 had a couple deaths on the first boss, some mechanical mistakes, a death on merektha..etc etc..was sloggy, not clean..I was taking more damage than I should.
final mist
Your DPS should be like that
Sounds to me like your DPS are just not pulling their weight tbh
sharp night
that's definitely on the high end imo
fringe marten
On the 18, we deleted the joint...0 deaths, flew through it..bosses got crushed, didn't even feel like an 18; even one of the shamans said so. Everyone did mechanics, everyones dps was strong..healer was strong...was just EASY.
final mist
You not being as good as you could be isn’t helping but dying because you ran out of shit at like 40 stacks is not entirely your fault
sharp night
most of the dps i play with are doing like 70k st
final mist
I mean yeah it’s on the high end but I’m also good
fringe marten
^^ and when they don't...stuff feels sucky
sharp night
at the 18-20 key level
final mist
Assuming your DPS aren’t afk trash tier, they’re presumably doing at least 60k st
More or less
sharp night
yeah that sounds about right
fringe marten
DPS is where you see huge huge gaps in players..combinations of play skill, gear stat weighting, corruption..etc. When a tank is bad (if you aren't the tank) you know INSTANTLY.
Just like in raids; when it really is the tanks fault...you know right away; there's a huge spotlight on them. When the encounter unravels slowly because dps are not doing their jobs..and it just kinda' falls apart over time.. M+ does the same thing just in quicker increments.
hard cipher
60k
HAH
45k pugs
xD
that was 18 workshop
dont understans
I do 70k on my mage
fringe marten
When I was just trying to get items from M+ and pugging lower keys, I joined a 12..? Atal Dazar..hoping to get ? shield or eye or something? The Frost DK did 9k overall... 9k. Literally couldn't kill Yazma because the dps was so slow that eventually they'd all die off. (might have been low teens? like 13/14)
final mist
sharp night
45k is low even for last season level dps
hard cipher
Idd
fringe marten
They were in discord with me (I joined them) was calling out when to run away for Soulrend..etc etc. Tried literally talking them through the whole fight...still failed after a ton of tries.
sharp night
yeah yazma is stupid with low dps
fringe marten
I think some of you have forgotten the disparity now between how bad..bad DPS can be, and how good, good DPS can be.
hard cipher
yeah but problem is
fringe marten
With good gear, good playskill...good PING..and good corruption; it's staggering.
sharp night
eh they definitely can carry a bad tank, maybe not an awful one
fringe marten
Right; I don't think Jirsa is bad; I think he/she needs a better shield, and likely needs to learn to string together/space out defensive cooldowns and shield blocks a bit more. Learn to be more calm as a tank.
sharp night
it's definitely possible with current dps to delete a pull before it's threatening at all and in a 15 you can just pull single pulls and time it
fringe marten
A bad tank won't have threat this week; is the problem.
sharp night
you can literally just pull in a straight line and use obs in most dungeons
yeah true
bring rogue and hunter
copper lion
Threat wasn’t the issue
sharp night
well
fringe marten
Well of course it wasn't with the dps they weren't doing~
sharp night
ofc it wasn't with the dps
hard cipher
I get aggro all the with my mage when it isnt skittish
copper lion
It was my survivability
hard cipher
annoying af
fringe marten
You will if you group with some nasty DH's who blast out on packs and you don't have any threat transfer in the group; and don't have avatar up on the pull...
copper lion
But anyways I’ll have to work around those hard hitting bosses
fringe marten
There'll be 1 or 2 mobs you'll start losing.
hard cipher
I have met those. They think 1 clap keeps aggro
sharp night
just run dungeons until you get a shield
hard cipher
"thrash tank"
copper lion
Lol
fringe marten
Jirsa you probably need to learn to just space out defensives a little bit more...but then assuming you are; you just gotta' upgrade that shield. You'd be surprised what 25 ilevels on a shield will do for your filtered damage.
sharp night
i don't even understand how people lose threat to fire mage
i just assist off the mage if i have one
fringe marten
Mages never have been the issue...it's only ever been fury war, and DH...on skittish weeks.
sharp night
taunt and ss on that target and it's stuck like glue
strong forum
Aggro should by no means ever be an issue, even on skittish
hard cipher
Dude I do 200k+ opener if ur mages do that they will get aggro too
fringe marten
Sometimes Avatar isn't up...and they proc TD and blast out; and even still it's rare but occassionally just in a pull like that I'll see 1 rando mobs HP bar turn purple and I'll have to tab and taunt.
sharp night
200k opener is fine with taunt
strong forum
Against mages
sharp night
taunt means you only have to do 10k to keep up on threat
due to the multiplier
even on skittish it's only 20k
super easy for any tank
hard cipher
Btw did +20 FH last night. You wont kill boss if melee doesnt los powder shot on higher tyra keys right?
almost oneshotted them
strong forum
Yup
sharp night
yeah
sharp night
don't have to los if they have a defensive up but without it
fringe marten
I thought he was one of the mobs they toned down this season; or were retuning because of that?
sharp night
they did retune him
fringe marten
ok I thought so.
sharp night
but only to counter the scaling
strong forum
Can still easily one-shot
sharp night
so he still is one shot level at like 21-22
at 20 you'll barely live probably
if full hp
strong forum
Our feral got clapped at 20
sharp night
does feral run vers
hard cipher
idk
strong forum
No idea
fringe marten
How about those enraged Grease gun shots in ML.
strong forum
Well that's just unluck
hard cipher
yeah
strong forum
Not so funny if you want to push
fringe marten
Like a little gobbo just pew's someone's face off insta.
sharp night
i just try to kill as few jockeys that aren't in mech as possible
hard cipher
well KR gauntlet MC Twilight proc is more like it
sharp night
i think i pull a total of 2
hard cipher
fucking dumb
fringe marten
well yeah but it's just one of those things that can happen
hard cipher
yeah
fringe marten
Haven't had it happen yet.
fringe marten
Do they get scaled up somehow?
hard cipher
ye
fringe marten
Right; so you don't delete someone
sharp night
it's like 2-3m hp
fringe marten
Of course..LOL
sly quiver
How high should my shield block uptime be in a 15 key?
strong forum
So high that you take very little dmg
There's no definite answer
There's no 60% uptime requirement cuz there's multiple factors
brittle owl
you want to be as close to 100% effective uptime on any kind of blocking effect (sb/last stand)
overall uptime is kinda meaningless
as long as you're getting hit, you should have SB or LS up
sly quiver
Last key i was in was around 35%, felt low. trying to work on it.
brittle owl
don't look at it on overall
you'll just draw the wrong conclusions
just don't get hit by melees without shield block
🙂
sly quiver
Alright, Thanks 🙂
brittle owl
if you have last stand for every pack you're fighting
you're 90% playing correctly
means you're generating/spending rage effectively
sly quiver
Yeah my cooldowns feel fine, just wasn't sure if there was a number i could shoot for or not. But ill just work on not wasting any and having it up as much as possible
brittle owl
👍
sly quiver
Will come in time i suppose
sick sentinel
anybody have help in kr for zul
literally get tanked
in a 22 I couldn't survive the full duration of it
give or take we didn't have everyones cds nor lust but it trucks
stark scroll
Time CDs and/or lust so you have it for him, get a DPS to taunt off and take a hit or two
sick sentinel
we had the pally taunt it
for 5 seconds then somebody else
of course not overlap cds
grand spruce
is lucid minor a set in stone minor or can it be swapped out?
wary lantern
shield from ML is BiS?
limpid pawn
Yes
remote tusk
Save the other for until you can add a socket to it.
latent sequoia
Does Null Dynamo absorb bursting damage?
wary lantern
kk, ty
limpid kite
Impassive visage or gemhide?
stark ruin
I'd go for the iv
As we have tons of armor to begin with
And avoidance is not relevant this expansion
strong forum
No @grand spruce the only minor that's set in stone in conflict and strife
trim minnow
@strong forum new to warrior. I main tank on other toons. Is conflict strife a must have as minor? If so. Why
grand spruce
That's the only one I don't have at rank three. And I dont see myseld getting it now
stoic pilot
Just get to 1400 and just cap conquest if you don't want to get to 1600.
You don't even need to consistently do arenas, just need to cap conquest once you're at the appropriate arena bracket.
strong forum
its the strongest minor given how much stats it gives you at r3, and good ones at that, in every essence "build" its included given its strength
sure you can be lazy about it, but theres no denying its the strongest minor in the game
last gazelle
Also serves as a niche pick for major essence too depending on dungeon and of course level of dungeon
sick sentinel
^ not really
warm plinth
Morning Hawgz
grand spruce
how long would it take to get it to rank 3?
warm plinth
If you're 1400, 5 weeks. If you're 1600, 3 weeks (assuming you have R2 already)
grand spruce
rank 1
warm plinth
Then add a week
grand spruce
ah nvm then
carmine wadi
Guys on +20 Sots would you go lucid dreams or vision Main?
south lantern
Please help
I’m having such a hard time on carapace
I can’t survive adds plus black scar
Even with spell reflect
What am I doing wrong
mental scarab
ask for externals of you are in danger
woven venture
It's crap
arctic sedge
is the platinum plating worth keeping, or should i just scrap it?
grizzled junco
what's best way to do skitra in a pug without coms?
grizzled junco
just one person needs to, then confirm which both tanks can see?
mortal brook
plat plating is bad. whenever it might help end up being a tiny bit helpful is situations where you'd lose the stacks
arctic sedge
scrapped its become
and is it worth replacing my edict of the faithless (ilvl430) for either jar (460) or dragonscale (460)? kinda attached to the edict
deep steppe
Hey so I have a trinket question. I've got a ton of options and I honestly am not sure what set I should use. I've got:
465 Remote Guidance Device
460 Writhing Segment of Drest'agath
460 Vita-Charged Titanshard
460 w/ Socket Sigil of Warding
For what its worth I mostly do M+, but I'm not sure which mix of these I should run with
edgy bone
I'm having trouble selling my 475 mind flay corruption shield for 2mil. Any idea why?
Is it because there's only 3 classes in the game that would be interested? Prot warrior and pally, then ele eham?
golden light
Depends on what server you play on. Bigger servers might snatc that up guy then you’ve got to transfer a toon, and then a guild bank back or multiple toons with the money
devout fulcrum
anyone have tips for Rezan's bleed? It crushes the shit out of me on tyranical 15+ keys
tame garden
Get healed. Keep block up as it makes you take extra phys damage then try to keep up IP as much as possible. Use a cd or ask for external. Not much you can do as prot but hope the healer isnt afk
devout fulcrum
Fair enough, Some healers do just fine with it, and others seem to let me die super hard. Glad to know it's just a throughput issue between tank and healers
tame garden
Ye you need the healers help when it comes to bleeds
strong forum
did UR 21 with an rsham healer :hypers: some scuffed pulls tho so we ran out of time
but still 70 score upgrade or some shit
jagged geyser
Hello, is the Salvaged Mekacycle Shielding any good?
mental scarab
@devout fulcrum i rotate heal cd SW then heal then pot+ss on higher keys
edgy bone
@golden light I'm on Illidan and still can't sell this thing
chilly cradle
yo guys i startet to play warri for m+ how has he any stat caps
prisma crane
no stat caps in any content for prot
recommend going through the pins first, tons of good resources there
chilly cradle
okay thanks so i will stack tempo and versa right ? xD
cyan oar
Stealth nerf on TD?
prisma crane
not afaik
cyan oar
Literally did 10% less than normal in my last dung. Just super unlucky with procs or did they just randomly nerf w/o announcing
prisma crane
lots o fthings
grand drum
unlucky
prisma crane
can affect that
sweet summit
bad rng
cyan oar
Sorry can't say 10% less like that. It did around 8mil less than usual
10% of my overall dmg less*
prisma crane
depends on how you pull and when in the pulls it procs
latent sequoia
Got a question for skittish, once i have the aggro it's easy to keep but i struggle at pulls while everone bursts while i collect the mob packs. atm going on woth demo/clap, bash/clap on low aggro targets and using taunt for mobs too far away to melee
And while they're on the way heroic throw
warm plinth
Tell your DPS to stop being idiots and let you gather the pull before they blow their load
Just make sure you're going in with Avatar (if available), and start with Clap>Demo>Clap
latent sequoia
Aye thanks, gonna mind to clap first before demo, ye i use avatar on CD depending on the pull
strong forum
i like to open with heroic leap
rather than charge
thats some more initial stuff
and midair you can clap aswell
warm plinth
What you should also do is not try to answer questions when you're having a stroke; right Morrison?
Demo gend no threst do cant open with that
@left hatch
warm plinth
He's done for
left hatch
^
warm plinth
Get the man a gurney
south lantern
Why are prot warriors so undesirable in mythic Ny’alotha? Literally no guilds want one.
sick sentinel
Because they are weak
Tell them you are better than their current tank
Not prot warriors
The guilds are weak
south lantern
Guilds only want monks or demon hunters
south lantern
Is it because prot Warrior has lowest base hp? In a heavy magic damage raid?
sick sentinel
It’s cause theres this impression that prot is weak This raid tiers because of “heavy” magic damage
When realistically it isn’t that heavy
sick sentinel
Lots of prot warriors pushing mythic raiding this tier
sick sentinel
^
inland silo
so they generally do want "meta"
so like hawgz is saying
you have to prove that you're better
sick sentinel
Do more damage, take less damage, and you will be fine
sick sentinel
Yeah if you aren’t the meta and are in search for guild, you have to be a “bring the player not the class” type of player
Have to demonstrate clear value over what they are looking for
lucid dew
Is it better to run visions in prot or fury
hallow phoenix
Yes
stark scroll
Have multiple classes, join as meta and switch to prot, ez
copper lion
does ignore pain heal for that much on single target?
if its that or shield block, SB is first to be prioritized correct?
trim sphinx
sick sentinel
Lucid, conflict, sphere or corruption resist essences are all viable
As is aegis in big pull situations
remote tusk
Warden in Major slot is also useful with Skittish, in some cases, and it's a nice aoe damage boost for 6 seconds.
sweet summit
as a prot warr you dont need the major of warden
a hunter/rogue in the group will be better and you'll take a more useful major
remote tusk
50% damage increase not useful (:?
sweet summit
more useful
blazing gale
Which sockets you take? all haste?
left hatch
i have 1 big str gem and the rest haste
sick sentinel
Realistically for most players in m+ nothing should replace VoP major
trim minnow
Hey
So im a little confused by victory rush ability?
Sometimes it works after i kill an enemy in m+
And sometimes it doesnt
left hatch
you need the killing blow
strong forum
Imagine having more than td2 on your main...
Can't imagine
Imagine TD doing more than 10k dps in m+
Can't imagine
robust galleon
So raiding VoP major still and run rank 2 TD over a rank 2 and rank 1 twisted appendage
south lantern
Is there anything I can do to stop my damage from being so damn spikes?
Spikey?
I literally get melted when shield block is down
jagged stump
Try to keep it up all the time and if you can’t use Last stand.
south lantern
How do you keep shield block up 100%?
sick sentinel
u dont
south lantern
It is impossible I think?
jagged stump
If you get melted in mythic+ try running a defensive essence in main slot to cope with the massive damage
strong forum
Uuuh
south lantern
On Psychus 1 when I’m running from death wing fire I get destroyed
terse dragon
Anyone notice the reflect change in temple?
strong forum
Haven't yet
sick sentinel
I'm pretty sure they also nerfed that bosses hp tho
atleast the one with reflect
because it's dying way faster
terse dragon
Oh OK cool!
sick sentinel
from what I noticed
and it phases faster
But I might be wrong
but even with it only reflecting one, it's dying as fast as if you are reflecting all of them
south lantern
Any tips on how to survive Psychus 1? I keep getting destroyed
terse dragon
Get kicks on psychus I'm pretty sure
strange tide
I agree Kyothi, Adderis and Aspix melted in the run I just did
last garden
Hi guys, new to warrior here...icy veins vs wowhead guide, do we prefer one over the other? or are they equal really
strong forum
Running dps trinkets and vop major at my 20s
Especially on tyrannical
Literally nothing hurts
sick sentinel
I run 1 dps trinket and one n'zoth trinket
deep steppe
Does anyone have time to answer a M+ trinket question? I'm trying to decide which two I should run with.
465 Remote Guidance Device
460 Writhing Segment of Drest'agath
460 Vita-Charged Titanshard
460 w/ Socket Sigil of Warding
strong forum
Oof that's some weird choices
sick sentinel
Vita and sigil
remote and pull through walls
writhing is uh
bad
sigil can be used
sick sentinel
Sigil has higher HPS than n'zoth trinket for stuff like zul
if youre doing high keys
deep steppe
Really? I honestly assumed Writhing would be good since its got the AOE damage
strong forum
Isnt it split dmg
deep steppe
physical i think
sick sentinel
ye only 120k every 1 minute and 20 seconds
strong forum
So it's literally always 120k
sick sentinel
it's awful
deep steppe
ohhh
sick sentinel
It's good for magic pulls
strong forum
The only trinket that isn't split between targets is merekthas fang
And that will leave you open during its channel
Resulting in a very easy way to die
deep steppe
What trinks should I be targeting then? Like whats "bis"
strong forum
Vita, dragonscale, butcher block, psychic shell, rezans
A 450+ urchin also does some work
But that's about all the good trinkets there are
deep steppe
was sporepods ever good?
deep steppe
hmmm ok. Well atleast I've got 1 good trink
deep steppe
lmao fair
trim bay
tidal sleet
It did have its place in pvp for like two seasons.
sick sentinel
@trim bay no such thing as too much haste. Gobble up as much ilvl as you can and then prio haste
flint cliff
cleanse?
mortal brook
that depends on your alternatives and budget dude. and resist will only go up.
flint cliff
i have td3 on rn
mortal brook
tendies are very solid ST dmg, and dont need a rampup like IS
flint cliff
this puts me into 65 corruption
naive panther
I wouldn’t cleanse either. Might save or use in certain situations.
The only thing I’ve cleansed so far is leech.
But I’ve also had two prot trinkets the last two weeks.
potent anvil
I play with r7 twisted tendie, 76 corruption. 
maiden ravine
I feel so dirty
I just tanked a m+ as prot paladin, and I enjoyed it
+11 TD was almost easy
maiden ravine
Is it? I just felt like I was doing more damage and having easier time healing myself haha
but again, only an 11 on a fairly easy week
analog burrow
11 key ez. You don't say
maiden ravine
hey now, TD can always suck depending on group with Tyrannical
runic spruce
Hey guys can anyone recommend some twitch streamers that run mythic+ as prot warrior that I can look up
shell bough
redwoyer @runic spruce
limpid pawn
is echoing void good at all?
just saw someone running like 5 ranks of it
i'm guessing not lol
runic spruce
Thanks
distant crystal
it's one of the better prot ST dps corruptions
modern brook
Anyone know if u can spell reflect covid 19?
nimble mauve
bullfango asking the real questions
craggy harness
Go find a priest
nimble mauve
i also have a question though. i have a 475 butcher's block and a 460 dragonscale and 460 vita (w.e the haste one is), for m+ do we wanna go with the vita over dragonscale because of the benefit it brings to the group? dragonscale beats vita in all the sims i have done
personally, i am not a fan of the loss of main stat/lack of uptime on vita compared to dragonscale.
sick sentinel
Ultimately it boils down to what you want to use and what performs the best. All of those options are great
sharp night
vita and dragonscale should sim relatively close
depending on your gear, but most people have vita sim higher iirc
left hatch
vita iv heard is a bit better
because of its stat budget
personally id roll with vita and the block
limpid pawn
the dragonscale i think is much better for M+
nimble mauve
my homies get a free 282 haste tho on proc
jolly coral
I've a question
Which essences you use for NYA? i can't build a nice combination, and all bosses fuck me up XD
nimble mauve
might be more of a play issue there
jolly coral
:S sure... u.u
Cara and N'Zoth being my worst nightmares
and depend on healer, Vexiona
nimble mauve
dude i got evaporated in raid today by that ascendant asshole on vex
started using SR
other one got barked
i started living
limpid pawn
mythic?
nimble mauve
no im a scrub and only tank for heroic alt night
i play fire mage in mythic like a true meta slave
left hatch
if you wanna go defensive for raid its VoP major with CnS, Null and Lucid minors
@jolly coral
maiden ravine
at this rate, my holy paladin will get a better rio than my warrior
sullen valve
@warm plinth wowA great
hushed cobalt
ran ad15 and someone says pull last obelisk with boss
lots of ouch there
sweet summit
CBA obelisk with yazma
hushed cobalt
i would have did a leap to skip a tank buster but, there started to be alot of spiders
left hatch
tank interrupt is for the boss and dps are running out or dodging spooders too much
to reliably get it
sweet summit
Dont do brutal spire with last boss MonkaS
left hatch
oh yikes... tankbuster add
hushed cobalt
guy wanted to time it (and i did too) but it was sketch
also a dps was dead for 80% of the fight
hushed cobalt
😢
sweet summit
Lmao
left hatch
ngl after playing havoc a few weeks, keys are so much less stressful
no longer responsible for everything else
can just pump
and scuffing a key doesn't feel nearly as cancer
sweet summit
👏Tanks 👏 shoud 👏not 👏 be 👏 shotcallers👏
hushed cobalt
on bosses with interrupts i call those out, because i wanna SR
sweet summit
But dps players are braindead and healers gotta think so i end up doing it anyway 
left hatch
^