makes sense. i guess i can always sim myself. i was hoping to get an idea of the value of the mastery corruption as a ballpark figure. my assumption is that in the event of running 3xBoM the mastery corruption gains value
#protection
rotund sluice
left hatch
so you could always just sim yourself to determine what is better
mastery% corruption is ok
damage wise it falls short of the damage procs
with the 3 stack of BoM it gains some value but
mastery tends to be our lowest dps and survivability trait
sick sentinel
And the value of mastery goes down because we get a shit load from BoM on a regular basis
left hatch
^ its not a bad stat, its just one we have a fuckload of already
rotund sluice
for M+ specifically i'm looking at t3 TD and then was trying to figure out what my next best corruption would be staying at 20 or under to keep net corruption in the 35 range. feels like i have plenty of haste already. maybe vers on hit or just tier 1 echoing void might be good options
left hatch
GW will be your best if you can find it
rotund sluice
time to farm some visions for GW then
left hatch
save it for next week when visions give guaranteed corruption
rotund sluice
thanks for all the help in giving me some understanding on the bloodmallet profile and what to look for
ruby nexus
how good or bad is "taking damage has chance to increase versatily" corruption?
left hatch
middle of the pack
decent uptime, not as good as Racing Pulse or the damage corruptions generally
stark ruin
Racing pulse is the haste for 4 sec one?
left hatch
yes
unborn fox
Is it worth equipping a 465 azerite chest (Iron Fortress + Brace) instead of a 450 one with Bastion + Heart? Gonna have 1 bastion if I equip the 465 one.
unborn fox
Aight, thanks 😄
toxic wadi
How reliant are we on healers compared to other tanks?
terse oasis
warriors have a lot longer time-to-die than most tanks
but no self heal
so you can survive on your own for a good while, where like monks need a constant stream of healing to stay up
from my experience anyways
(unless you have a lot of small close to dead adds to victory rush off of, then you're just a god :P)
like the last boss of UR you should be pretty much unkillable
terse oasis
i don't really pvp
mortal brook
tanks take 50% more dmg, deal 40% less damage and their primary healing is suppressed by spec in pvp situations. it's not a fantastic time, but its doable
20% if the last notes are still active for IP in pvp situations
F for Manacles btw
crystal dirge
anyone know why people tend to take conflict major for high motherlodes lately?
this week's affixes
warm plinth
No idea. It's not even a good major.
sick sentinel
It’s actually terrible
Top m+ prot warriors are wildin out right now I just let them do their thing
crystal dirge
It is what was logged for most of them at key finish
I don't see any pro for it on Rixxa/Razdunk
tame garden
R.io cant log key finish
Its whatever shows up on their armory, which updates on logout
I cant think of a good reason to pick conflict for ml
sweet summit
pray to stop the charge from the brute or whatever?
sweet summit
yea those
tame garden
Seems inconsistent and not worth
crystal dirge
think so too, healer didnt heal me properly on 21 and my team started looking at naowh femclap etc rios for idea to present to me, and this one seemed consistent enough for me to ask
sticking to the good ol' setup then
tame garden
When you say they didnt heal you
I assume you mean in 3rd or 4th boss?
Or on trash
sick sentinel
If it’s on trash it’s probably an Interrupt issue
crystal dirge
yeh Rixxa, I went in, used my stuff but only had a lifebloom on KEKW
sweet summit
either interrupt issue or youre facetanking the peacekeepers
tame garden
Ye you wouldnt go conflict to help with rixxa
crystal dirge
wanted to make sure I didnt miss an aspect of it 😄 thanks!
tame garden
Could consider undying gift or null major but conflict is sus
crystal dirge
undying, we have a 22 as well, probably going to play it ultrasafe at that point
opal escarp
hey guys is there a spreadsheet somewhere with all the things that can be reflected in dungeons?
opal escarp
ty
lucid dew
is $1mm too much to pay for the shield
right now
its been like 1.5 - 2
on my server
formal forge
Don't give in
lucid dew
shit like rank 1 avoidance corruption
id cleanse it anyways
i already ahve 100 TD
what do you think the price is for it right now
if i offer 900k?
sick sentinel
Mil might be a dab high for shit corruption.
stark scroll
Only you can decide that, most on my server are listed for 1m+
lucid dew
and im sure ill get a shield with like t3 TD in my chest next week now that i bought this
sweet summit
heard it here first bois
fringe marten
The damage from bursting can be absorbed by/thus breaking the shield on Null Dynamo correct?
sharp night
yes
fringe marten
Hm; sims are saying my torment in a jar (460) plus my 460 vita shard...sim better in 'Dungeon Slice" than my Merektha Fang (475) and Vita shard (or any other combo) and I know that's false. The fang way outperforms the torment in a jar. Unless there's something I'm doing way wrong with torment?
As far as damage dealt, and % of my damage..Merektha's Fang is insane actually.
undone sun
patchwerk 3-5 target
fringe marten
Ok I figured it was just the way the sim was 'simming' so do patchwerk with more targets?
left hatch
yah generally i do a patchwerk 1t 3m w/lust and compare it to a 5 or 6 target 1m 30s with no lust
fringe marten
But the 3-5 target I assume you're using as how it would do in an overall dungeon? Because what makes fang so strong is using it at the right time; on large packs.
left hatch
no you have to compare it to the st sim
you're doing what Dungeon slice tries and fails to do, comparing average trash pulls to boss fights
and kinda feelycrafting which side you wanna lean towards or value more
which in most cases is the aoe sim
sharp night
3-5 target is just a generic single pull
fringe marten
Right; of course from experience I know the fang is very powerful in AoE, and..usable but meh in ST. Just from experience I had a good idea what the sim would lean toward for AoE vs ST. I just don't know what a good setup for a realistic M+ dungeon sim is.
left hatch
and we just told you
sharp night
really depends on how you pull
also dungeon
fang looks really good in stuff like shrine
where you just pad hard
left hatch
you can't realistically sim for overall end of dungeon
sharp night
but it's not useful damage
fringe marten
What's the setup for the patchwerk 3 to 5...set patchwerk then # of bosses to 5?
left hatch
3 is cleave, 5-6 is for generic aoe pulls
sharp night
you can do like
fringe marten
The fangs damage is useful and strong, not just on little trash tentacles, but legit solid pulls ..anywhere.
sharp night
10 target 1 min with lust for some specific pulls
vocal flame
hi all, i know they are both pretty low level gear but im trying to gear up. I just got Humming Black Dragonscale (raid finder yes i know) and want to replace Galvanic Trubo Charger with it.
fringe marten
Yeah I know to take off lust/etc and set symbiotic prescence to a realistic % like 40'ish (for overall)
vocal flame
The galvanic turbo charger "your attacks have a chance to increase your haste by 297 every 2 seconds lasts 12 seconds. not sure if its viable to replace it with the Black Dragonscale
left hatch
i remember next to nothing about galvanic being good at any point in the xpac
so by all means roll with wrathion
vocal flame
is the pocket sized computation device still worth it? i have the 168 haste card and the red card which gives me 1179 haste for 12 seconds
left hatch
yes its still ok
vocal flame
ah ok thanks os much morrison
left hatch
by the time you get normal and higher trinkets you'll replace it but
warm plinth
The harder the pull, the more dangerous it is to use Merektha's. And if you're simming Merektha's, it assumes you're letting it full channel which you likely wouldn't since Shockwave is only a 2 second stun (unless you have someone/something covering the extra second)
left hatch
for raid finder tier its good
fringe marten
Yeah it's still a nice solid trinket; but I think most people have slotted in cyclotronic and use it as their boss burner for 5mask visions.
vocal flame
good also for lower level M+ too right?
fringe marten
Because now you get a better haste trinket like the vita, and better AoE damage trinkets like torment/etc.
fringe marten
I really like Cyclotronic for 5mask solo's. (also like the fact that all gear will be corrupted next week..nice~)
left hatch
it isn't that great in aoe, and even on tyranical low M+ a huge amount of htat is aoe
plus low keys = bigger pulls = bigger value from shit like Butchers Block or Fang
fringe marten
(oh; if you're answering him on his trinket question..yeah)
left hatch
yah cyclo is probably a must if you're trying to solo 5 mask visions on prot
tidal sleet
Is that mostly so you can gib rexxar?
vocal flame
you lose the red card once you swap it right tho?
vocal flame
i can buy the cylo but the haste one seems os good and i only have 1
left hatch
for rn dw abotu cyclo
fringe marten
Yeah If you don't have a 'safety bubble' for rexxar...and a gift of the titans ready to proc during it. Rexxar can be a bad time. So is that stupid? caster dude..who tosses you up in the air. How are folks dealing with him cleanly?
left hatch
if yo'ure in RF you arn't gonna be thinking about 5 mask runs for awhile
so keep using hte haste one till you get a decent ilvl on Dragonscale, Rezan, Vita or Butchers Block
fringe marten
Honestly that dude is worse for me than Rexxar..Maybe because I take rexxar more seriously ?
warm plinth
Talking about the Drag boss?
left hatch
you can los it behind the stump
fringe marten
I guess..whatever one you click on the doors/etc then he bubbles himself.
warm plinth
Yeah, you can LoS it behind the giant tree stump
fringe marten
I've outranged it too, like leaped away..then when you go back to him he insta pops you in the air even when there's no effect on? it's so weird.
warm plinth
I wonder if anyone has tried spell reflect on the void torrent
left hatch
however jumping on top of hte stump when hes casting does not work ): i tried to throw in some extra deepus and went for a ride
fringe marten
Right..but he channels it. it's DONE..then I charge back to him; get popped into the air. I was like "WTF?"
vocal flame
@left hatch no im not going to be doing 5 mask runs lol im only 449 ilevel
warm plinth
Maybe you went back in too soon and charged into one
fringe marten
No, I made sure to see his channel finished; ability was gone.
warm plinth
I've also been told that you can stand inside his hit box as he's finishing the cast and it'll sometimes miss you
left hatch
visions are buggy af tbh. last week both my friends had runs where one of them would just drop dead from nothing in mage tower. not in combat. nothing around. didn't proc their free rez
sharp night
the projectiles don't disappear when his cast finishes
left hatch
and their body disapeared so no rez
fringe marten
so maybe a projectile was still floating my direction and I charged into one?
left hatch
they can be hard to see too cause its black/dark purple when fucking everything is black/dark purple
sharp night
it's just tricky this week with the fire feet crap
cause it bounces you forward and past him
so stump is safer
fringe marten
I'll give that a shot; however..if I leap away, let channel finish..then make sure not to charge into a magic missle. Should be gucci right?
warm plinth
Yes
left hatch
tbh stump is easier than oor it
fringe marten
Yeah, because you're closer.
left hatch
and will give you less downtime
fringe marten
^
warm plinth
The pro strat is to pop everything right after the first torrent and make him do his shield back to back
left hatch
since you can still clap him through the stump
i tried purification protocol first time today in visions
and holy shit is it a game changer
(major)
warm plinth
Shield really doesn't matter; it'll do a little sanity damage but nothing worth crying over
sharp night
also the stump will "trap" the projectiles
warm plinth
And doesn't lock you out from doing anything for 4 seconds like the cast
sharp night
so you can see them getting stuck there fro a while 🙂
fringe marten
As I suspected; 'pure' aoe it's still saying Fang/Torment. But I think I'll try Fang/Vita for a run. Feels like that should be a good overall combo.
Can you LoS the shield pop or does the shield just stay on him forever? (I dunno I always break it off)
left hatch
its a timer if you don't pop it it does sanity damage
warm plinth
It does but it's not a lot
fringe marten
Right; but I mean ..? I guess he'll just run around the stump to you..so LoS'ing it is moot.
warm plinth
It's like 27 sanity damage with rank 13 cloak or some shit. Less if you have 14
hallow phoenix
I just run circles around him during torrent
fringe marten
Unless maybe you could leap away for shield pop if it was about to expire and you didn't bust it?
left hatch
damn even with the 400% increase
warm plinth
Yeah it's tiny
left hatch
its a huge range
fringe marten
Tusks I do the same but grasping tendrils..etc cloak might be down; I've just hit/miss on circling him.
warm plinth
So if you can't pop it, there's no point in trying. Just let it expire and then pop your shit and do real damage to him
left hatch
because in g roups iv had healer/boomy still be hit
when they backpedal
tbh im more on team 'swap to dps' now
visions are stupid easy on dh
warm plinth
Mmhm
hallow phoenix
They're not hard on prot though
left hatch
and PP flat up deletes even the big mobs sometimes
fringe marten
My fury is..honestly decently geared. got a 465 getti and a 465 logg (which I didn't even know existed LOL) and solid array of corruption.
warm plinth
I did a 4 mask clear yesterday just because I wanted the loot and didn't feel like doing 5 mask. Got to Thrall with 900 sanity and all 3 orbs and cheat death. Ended up just running around for 10 minutes getting crystals and chests that I missed lol
left hatch
it feels really good once you know where crystal spawns are
warm plinth
It was really odd having that much time available
left hatch
really satisfying bonus for next to no effort
fringe marten
You don't get a ton from it though; I did all 10 crystals in my 4mask right after the 5 run..and got like? 450 or something from it?
fringe marten
Yeah; sure it's a nice bit when you're pushing for the socket addon. But figured it'd be more.
warm plinth
Yeah I was disappointed; I only found 4 crystals and got like 100 or some shit lol
left hatch
it should scale with masks tbh
fringe marten
Is there a map addon we can get that'll just have potential crystal locations? the issue was I actually had to 'look' for them
warm plinth
Yeah, HandyNotes has the spawn locations of the crystals, potions, and mailboxes
And the toys and shit you can get in some areas
fringe marten
I'll have to snag that then.
hallow phoenix
Corruption is guaranteed from visions next week btw
fringe marten
That weak aura someone suggested a week or so ago was so useful.. I imagine everyone is using that same one by now.
warm plinth
Yeah, looking forward to that so much
hallow phoenix
Gonna be worth to do at least 3, 4, and 5 masks
warm plinth
Yes sir
fringe marten
I haven't 5 mask solo'd stormwind yet. legit hate that joint. (really I hate the mage quarter..a lot)
hallow phoenix
Stealth food should make it easier
fringe marten
Is the frost mage boss guy the issue on a 5m solo there? I would think he'd have to be..and final boss herself will be a bit tougher than thrall.
hallow phoenix
Though I've never used it in SW
Yeah people cheese the mage boss
Makes it easier
fringe marten
How so; what's the play on him? put toys where he ports to?
fringe marten
well you have leap for 1
hallow phoenix
Yeah
fringe marten
of course you'd be running the fasterleap talent for it; so shortly into the third one you'd be able to leap again I'd think.
fringe marten
Oh? I guess he always dies by the second so I didn't even know that
potent anvil
You can also use an auto-hammer too. Should work the same way as the toy, iirc.
fringe marten
Next week when we hit cloak 15; will we also be able to immediately get the 3 corruption upgrade/s or a week later?
potent anvil
That comes the week after.
fringe marten
And is it 3 a week, or 6? 3 from N'zoth, 3 from Clearing a Vision right?
fringe marten
2 sources, but you'll max at 50 corruption resis, +3 per week each week after?
On the cloak, not counting 10 from essence.
left hatch
yes
tidal sleet
I doubt it's 6, bu that'd be sick
left hatch
a blue post already said its only 3
you can do either or UNLESS you're behind
in which case you can do both
fringe marten
meh. That 3 really matters right now; I could run a decent setup but I'm at 40 exactly. (can go higher but..I really don't like dealing with a huge eye circle and TfB if I'm not getting huge damage increase)
left hatch
TFB doesn't really change between 40 adn 59
fringe marten
So if I could chip it down to 37..would delete TfB tier.
tidal sleet
so does each item give 1 resist?
tidal sleet
so we get 9 per week, till the cap
left hatch
no...
tidal sleet
after next week
left hatch
you only get 3 a week
theres two sources, of which you can do either for the reward but not both
fringe marten
oh sorry, it's 45cor atm. so I'd need 6 resis to get under 40.
I know it's 'easy to deal with' but it's a lot of free damage; the snare gets very strong in the 60% range..the eye is huge etc. Just nice when you're under 40..the corruption system barely feels like it has a penalty.
flint cliff
would you guys use normal lingering psychic over heroic humming black?
left hatch
if you don't absolutely need it to live burst damage
and know you'll use it on cd
its not worth it
and you don't get to dangerous damage like that every 2ish mins (assuming proper play) before than
and if you're sitting on it as an "oh shit" button
its a waste
and Rezan, Vita, Dragonscale or Butchers block will give you more overall damage smoothing as well as a not insignificant dps boost
terse oasis
account bound essences?! fuck yeah
wait.. While ordinarily each specific Essence must be learned in order to unlock it for other characters via MOTHER, all Essences associated with Nazjatar and Mechagon reputations will be available if any other different character has earned any of the Essences available from that reputation. -- does this mean only nazj/mech essences? or?
fringe marten
you have to buy with vision currency; but you don't have to do any achievements, pvp, dungeons, raids..etc etc.
just do daily stuff, do visions...get corrupted visions currency; buy from mother.
For any alts/subsequent essences. You have to obtain it once the normal way.
distant crystal
@terse oasis I think it means if you got purification protocol on your pure dps class alt
you can snag the healer/tank version on your alt
terse oasis
hrm hopefully
mortal brook
so unlocking on alts with content you enjoy. pretty nice not to have to like, wait 3~6 weeks of cns
playing a suboptimal or off-spec
mortal brook
def
mortal brook
vision autocorrupt gonna be super nice too for those alts
mortal brook
beats the hell outa 410 blues from wqs
left hatch
looks at my offhand 410 with TD3
grand spruce
is void shard any good for prot?
grand spruce
welp. so another useless drop then
warm plinth
Me too
First corruption guarantees from visions, now this
It's a good fucking week coming up
leaden grail
and I got 27k/30k honor on my fuckin warrior <,<
sick sentinel
Just wanted to thank everyone here! With all yalls advices I have been able to get 99 parses on all my farm bosses in M-Nyalotha ❤️
Yall cute af
mortal brook
nice work dude
sick sentinel
is it worth running never surrender for rixxa fluxflame in motherlode?
maiden ravine
The had the effing technology
oblique garnet
Its time to do all the 12 alts 
maiden ravine
Oh, we still need to grind a currency
You better get an essence per dungeon or raid boss you kill
mortal brook
anythings better than the 5 weeks for cns
mortal brook
with 2 more weeks for r1, r2 😄
novel temple
hows tanking prophet skitra
mortal brook
pretty low incoming dmg. the debuff will increase corruption eye and thing hits tho
left hatch
i got hit with a TFB for over a mil a few weeks back
cause was at 10 stacks and not paying attention
(:
craggy harness
hmm
why am i having problems keeping pychus threat in normal
but not in heroic
must be not understanding a mechanic in that beginning
or the other tank is just wailing on psychus before we drop enough tentacles
riiight
nm
upbeat cove
Anyone tried the sporepod from underrot? Is it trash? 😄
elder isle
is icy-veins prot warrior essence info up to date
elder isle
ty
i dont get worldvein resonance
am i supposed to use it as prot to help out my like, enh shamans who use it or what
my best friend is enh shaman and needs to use it or something
left hatch
you use it to pump
left hatch
in raid or M+
elder isle
m+
left hatch
VoP, Lucid, Sphere, and aegis for rn
elder isle
im doin all my dailies every day to get more shit, i will get aegis rank 2 soon i think
elder isle
sphere?
left hatch
sphere of suppression
all you need is rank 1
can can pick it up in less than an hour
left hatch
CnS is through arenas
elder isle
how much corruption should i have
i have 30 if i dont use Strength of the Wardens, 20 if i do
left hatch
39 is extra safe
elder isle
kk ty 🙂
left hatch
59 if you're comfortable with TFB
elder isle
i had 59 earlier, and i could never dodge TFB
especially in like, tunnels at tol dagor etc
just was getting owned
left hatch
you spell refelct or cloak it
you don't dodge it
or pop an ignore pain and give him a hug
elder isle
oh i didnt know u could spell reflect it. just the 20% resistence or w/e?
left hatch
no it deflects the complete damage
elder isle
wow thats insane
tame garden
👍
left hatch
same with the eyeball, if you pop it only the last tick will do damage
elder isle
how good is the sword from first boss of new raid?
faralos
its one of my corrupted items
it seems to do around 10% of my dmg in m+
left hatch
the corruption is pretty meh
left hatch
it should only be doing about 4-5%
so you might have some misplay there... not enough Claps or Slams
elder isle
yea probably
i probs suck a lot XD
oh
one last question
i have a hard time getting aggro right at the pull
i always
charge -> demo shout -> thunder clap
left hatch
thatll do it
elder isle
but the thunder clap is a little bit late
left hatch
Charge->avatar as charge->clap->shout->clap
elder isle
ohhhh okay
so even if i clap shout clap i wont miss out on the azerite trait
awesome
left hatch
no even without avatar you can get in the 3 claps you need
or should have enough haste to
elder isle
thats sick
so that second one, from BGs, is ok at just rank 1?
i shouldnt even worry about levelin it up?
what about the arena one?
left hatch
the BG one r2 adds a small slow, and r3 gives you a bit of speed
so its useful for kiting but r1 is the big value
elder isle
i just cant stand that like, i have to somehow fix my PvE arms bars to add the stun and dominos doesnt support profiles well
i have to add these keybinds for liek Storm Bolt and put them on keys like "5", but then when im pveing i gotta redo my whole bars or w/e
frustrating
left hatch
if you got CnS r3 on your monk
you can just wait till tuesday
cause account wide essences 😄
elder isle
i havent played any other chars in 8.3 yet i just restarted after not playing since 8.0 a couple weeks ago XD
but that is an interesting idea, ty
maybe if i macro Skullsplitter and Storm Bolt together cuz i probs dont use Skillsplitter in pvp hmmm
anyways, ty a lot man
left hatch
well.... get rank on monk.... get CnS on him, and then just get it from mother
esp if you enjoy monk pvp more
elder isle
yea but i have 0 essences on monk
unless u mean like
well, idk
i dont ahve any healing essences 😛
elder isle
monk also 370 or somethin
i gotta learn how to do this 10 affix now that im 456 or w/e and i can do a 10
left hatch
the affix is super easy
just look up a route on IO to learn what a skip path is
and gg
left hatch
yah they have routes there
elder isle
awesome!
left hatch
that you can either iew on sight or import to MDT
elder isle
whats the best trinket i can farm thru m+?
im currently using the blue ra'den 460 trinket and
left hatch
Rezans in AD and Block from WCM
elder isle
445 vial with socket
left hatch
thats one of our bis, the Vita from ra-den
elder isle
awesome :DDDD
delicate ruin
is it worth taking this over r1 TD
elder isle
so ill try to get wcm one
left hatch
and careful on running vial. its annoying to use properly
delicate ruin
I already have r4 TD
left hatch
ahhhh well sim it (:
delicate ruin
so if I want to use this gonna have to switch one out
elder isle
i just have it macroed to my avatar because i never remember to use trinkets
left hatch
maybe the verse damage on TD4 will be better than TD5
elder isle
like its my worst habit on wow
left hatch
thats exactly how not to use it
elder isle
i macro every trinket to my offensive CDs XD
left hatch
and wastes the value
left hatch
so all the str from it is frontloaded.... so if you macro to avatar
you waste the first 4ish globals of it
delicate ruin
I mean it would be r3 TD + that or r4 TD
left hatch
avataring and applying demo shout
delicate ruin
haha
left hatch
its not BAD its just something you have to maunally use after you ava and emo
demo*
or its not worth using
elder isle
ill macro it to shield slam then, sounds like thats better than avatar. and ill try to get a new trinket 😛
elder isle
XD
left hatch
cause you want ALL of it in ava window
and with SS you'll frequently have no part of it in avatar
elder isle
makes sense
elder isle
ill keep it on avatar for now and then ill try to farm wcm for new trinket
left hatch
for M+ you wanna sim Patchwerk 1-target 3m w/ lust
Patchwerk 3-target 1m 30s no lust
Patchwerk 5/6 target 1m 30s no lust
since thats a more accurate simulation of M+ bosses/cleave/average pull
elder isle
ty very much morrison
left hatch
np, what this discord is for lol
fringe marten
What's the haste value on a 465 Rezan's Gleaming eye?
mortal brook
973
distant crystal
when i was running vial
i used a modifier bind on t-clap
shift t-clap would use vial and clap
and just do that for your first clap during ava
plush prism
so has anyone gotten the N'Zoth trinket?
I got the Heroic one last week and holy mitigation boner
text might as well be "basically be immune to everything for a few seconds, have fun dawg"
daring bay
Meh
left hatch
yah... its not as good as it seems
its not an 80% dr
80% of the damage goes into the absorb
so its fine to survive burst damage if you need it but like
if you're not doing 20's when do you need it lol
much less need it on cd
inland mesa
It made mythic il'gynoth nothing :)
Pop every 2nd beam and be like naw dog you can't touch this
left hatch
^ mythic ilgy is one of those things you 'need' it
so its very strong there
but if you're holding it for an 'oh shit button in keys
inland mesa
Debating to use it on carapace, but I was on monk all night as our mw was gone
left hatch
you're better off with a haste trinket
inland mesa
I had to monk ra'den tonight too and not roll on vita trinket :(
inland mesa
My stupid brew still has a 445 weapon, it makes me cry
sick sentinel
What do you mean you had to monk
ionic fern
Mb for debuff? 👀
sick sentinel
How do you guys handle 3rd boss in ML on higher keys? I legit don’t dump rage into anything but IP and obviously spell reflect every other burn. Outside of that feel like the rest is on my healer.
Heard about setting hearth and switching talents and Essence but idk
I just get b a n g e d
west galleon
if you're talking about really up there keys, are u running lucid
ionic fern
@sick sentinel
The only dangerous thing there is the debuff and that should be managed like:
1)SR+healer dispells DPS
2)DPS CD + Healer Dispells tank
3)SR+ healer dispells DPS
4)Next DPS CD + Healer dispells tank
etc.
sick sentinel
That sounds about right I just need to be more coordinated
We’ll need dps to be more coordinated actually
Ofc they press everything whenever
ionic fern
Jep, no point making things more difficult in high keys than it already is.
crimson forge
@sick sentinel if you're chilling on time, you can hearth out and change to never surrender, and other essence. Lucid is pretty good for the rest of the dungeon from my personal experience. In higher keys, the debuff is irrelevant. It's moreso the raw dmg the boss does. You always want to have some sort of CD rolling whether it be demo, lucid, external after every set of the baits where she blows the fire away.
slate pilot
@sick sentinel When i do high(20-21) tyrannical keys, I always hearth and swap. You dont lose a lot of time and it helps a TON
carmine wadi
Look at my dps first boss TD +18 
I was so lucky in the whole run with TD procs overall 63k dps at end of the run 
distant crystal
not sure if that healer was afk or if you guys stood in everything and he was frantically spam healing 
mortal brook
waat when you getting a bigger geti for your profile
distant crystal
but i feel like a sunfire every time the mobs spawn would do more dmg than that lol
i'm so lazy
plus my 465 feels less worthwhile
mortal brook
D:
distant crystal
if i had to flex cache loot i'd prob need a way to convey this in my profile pic
carmine wadi
Idk but the key was easily timed 😋
mortal brook
good work
fringe marten
Nico what's the route you used?
unkempt root
Good day warrior friends, how good is warrior if id do mostly pugs?
mortal brook
top tier for m+, more than capable for raid
real snow
What is the BIS Shield for prot this tier ?
sick sentinel
haste crit 475
mortal brook
G0-4W4Y Crowd Repeller is crit haste. ilvl is the important part of the shield though, any 475 will serve well.
real snow
Yeah, im not quite at 15s yet with it but hopefully soon
carmine wadi
@fringe marten https://wago.io/j6aft6Qt- that´s what we did
edgy bone
hey guys am i understanding the math on torment in a jar correctly
It starts at 200 dmg and keeps double every stack, up to 12 stacks
Then it booms for 15k and starts over
sweet summit
something like that yea
edgy bone
wouldnt the math go
200>400>800>1600>3200>6400>12800>25600>51200>102400>204,800
So by 11th stack i send out a wave for 200k??
Then on 12th stack it blasts 15k and starts over?
200k seems high
inland silo
this is the damage from a full cycle
so thats not how it works
idk how it does though
inland silo
so my first hit did 233
and the second did 466
and then the % increase just keeps going down
craggy harness
don't own the trinket, you got a log?
or, we wait for more knowledgeable people
lol
sweet summit
this is the mythic version, the hits with * is crits
sharp night
each stack adds 100% base damage yes
sweet summit
i guess
sharp night
the buff you get multiplies the damage
by that much
so 1 stack = 100% increase, 2 stacks = 200%, etc
so at 11 stacks it's ~2200 damage and then explodes for 15k at 12
if it doubled every stack it would by far be the most broken trinket in the game in aoe
craggy harness
mathwise, the percentage increasing is steady, referring back to the original value
if you compare the damage with the previous damage as a percentage, than yeah, its decreasing
(ignoring crits for simplicity)
sharp night
actually it'd be incredibly broken even in ST lol
a trinket that does like 400k dmg per minute passively on ST and scales linearly with aoe
and is buffed by crit/haste/vers
craggy harness
sounds like a corruption effect
sick sentinel
I am wearing 460 Humming and 460 Vita-Charged and just got a 465 Rezan's gleaming. Any advice on if Rezan's is better than either of the two I am currently wearing?
vita is better
vita and humming better
Aight thanks 🙂
unborn sapphire
Does the legendary cloak dispel effects from emissaries? For example the 200% slam?
debuff*
craggy harness
and nzoth insta insanity apparently
not a hotfix message i expected to read regarding lfr, that's for sure
strong forum
Lfr 
frail oar
I'm in the same case as Nick, but with a 460 humming, 460 rezan and 445 vita, still vita better ? or rezan because of the ilvl ?
amber siren
vita is only worth around 5 ilvl over rezan iirc
frail oar
ok, good to know
Thanks 🙂
sterile shale
Bit of a random one, looking at logs, what’s the best thing to look for on a tank?? Dmg imitigation or??
tame garden
Mitigation uptime vs tanking uptime
modest thistle
Lack of death
tame garden
Usage of cds in high dmg moments
sterile shale
Oke Oke, thanks a bunch
blazing gale
Basically you rush in with charge pop stuff and kite mobs ? U dont face tank all the time right?
sterile shale
I just stand there
Jkjk
I do keep shield block n ignore pain up as much as possible
Shield slam on cd
In m+ I’m always kiting but I was more looking at raiding
blazing gale
I want to play mostly +15 and above
strong forum
You face tank 90% of the time
sterile shale
I’m looking to swap to brewmaster now after seeing the rank 3 essence news Lel
sterile shale
I have all rank 3s on my “main” was a warlock main since panda land but due to recent departure of tanks in our guild I’ve re rolled to war
edgy bone
Do you guys use a mouseover macro with storm bolt for thing from beyond?
edgy bone
Can you share it with me
blazing gale
I do wtf
why did it sand idont xD
wait a sec
#showtooltip Execute /cast [target=mouseover,harm,exists,nodead]Execute; Execute replace exe with Storm Bolt
edgy bone
Thanks!
edgy bone
Hey guys do the engineering 480 goggles come with random azerite traits?
or are they always the same
sweet summit
always the same
edgy bone
ah so they kinda suck for arms
sweet summit
yes
lucid dew
alliance guilds need to hurry up and kill nzoth so i can run mythic
sweet summit
im doing my best, sorry D:
edgy bone
lmao this guy tryna sell this shield for 8mil
strong forum
Td3 is too good. You substitute the loss of block value with bfi
And youre gucchi
That being said, still incredibly underwhelmed by TD
The most my TD2 did was 12.5k dps
edgy bone
do you guys open your weekly chest as prot every tuesday hoping for a 475 shield?
strong forum
12/120
edgy bone
I guess higher chances of me opening as arms every week hoping to get Getikku huh?
strong forum
No
edgy bone
No?
strong forum
You phrased it weirdly
edgy bone
there's only 1 getikku
edgy bone
yeah
strong forum
Getikku is 1/120
limpid pawn
Can any other tank just face tank the tree boss in WCM on high tyrannical
Or only war
With no fires
strong forum
Everybody can, prot war just longer than others
On high tyrannical everybody needs to reset
limpid pawn
Which tanks have the worst time you think
limpid pawn
Ok “high” tyrannical I meant like 15-18
strong forum
Ye at that you can make it without resetting
limpid pawn
Aren’t you taking like 80% of that damage
limpid pawn
No but I mean it has to still be healed
Like on my war, so much of it is just mitigated
The heals I need are pretty low
strong forum
Well.. Monks midigation is purify
limpid pawn
Yes that’s what I mean, the amount purified isn’t that much
strong forum
Not as much as a crit block but monks don't spike
limpid pawn
Like the ticking damage constantly coming in from the tree guy is pretty high
strong forum
A good monk can still tank for a fuckton
sullen valve
Monk will always take more damage than other tanks but the way they take damage is different
strong forum
Monks are amazing vs large hits because of stagger into purify
sullen valve
I mean even without purifying a monk will be better than other tanks for large hits*
amber siren
no
strong forum
They don't just lose 80% hp in 1 hit, they take 40% and then just trickle
Which is very easy to heal
Sure they need alot of healing, but it's easy healing
That's the difference
amber siren
if they couldnt purify they would just die to the dot, the whole point of brm is that they can delete damage
strong forum
They can't die to stagger
sweet summit
you cant die to stagger alone
sullen valve
stagger will leave you at 1% hp
sweet summit
1 HP*
sullen valve
Ye 1 not %
but you also dodge every other melee as a brew (and if the hits happen on the same server tick you can dodge multiply) so you are have points where you just don't take damage and stagger slowly fades
edgy bone
Guys im hav ing trouble selling my shield
im the only one with mindflay
out of all 13 on AH
lucid dew
is wow down right now
inland silo
i sold one with t2 expedient for 1.8 mil and i probably couldve gotten more for it
lucid dew
is there anyway around that
inland silo
i was also impatient
sweet summit
open your wow folder->retail->wow.exe
lucid dew
i bought my shield last night for 900
inland silo
id think t2 mindflay would be worth more
inland silo
thats wild
brittle owl
buying corruption when you can get guaranteed 470 465 and 460 per week
sweet summit
- weekly m+ and pvp chest
lucid dew
yea not worth buying corruption now
terse oasis
if you aren't WF, it doesn't make much sense
and you're not going to be world first now
i'll pick up super cheap corrupted gear for alts if i need to at the end of the xpac for leveling
brittle owl
while your reasoning is sound and all
can also just do whatever the fuck you wanna do
strong forum
Facts
sweet summit
its fucked
uneven fern
Which upgrade should I take first as a prot warrior (doing solo only)
strange chasm
hello, does any 1 know wa that show people cd but not def ( mage combustion ect) ?
primal crypt
@strange chasm I personally use the addon OmniCD
it places the CDs on the side of their unit frame and you can pick what you want to show, this includes defensives if you want
strange chasm
ty
chrome pecan
3x Bastion and 1x Deafening vs 2x Bastion and 2x Deafening
chrome pecan
kk
oblique garnet
@exotic spoke @warm plinth
oblique garnet
idk im enchanting siphoning for m+ but ravager never
amber siren
strong forum
Yeah nah
oblique garnet
corruption leech is worthless
sick sentinel
cracks knuckles
tropic star
you know what feels good on mongo pulls as prot
3100 haste and then 2 meticulous schemine, vita, dragon trink, void ritual proc, and quick nav, all behind multiplied by ITF
its a little idiodic that you are a tank but all you do is jump up and down thuncderclapping
the visual that is
upbeat orbit
Feels very good having haste as prot
I have both dragon and vita and I love Jumping up and down and outdpsing the entire group
uneven fern
Imagine stomping your feet very hard on the ground hurts enemies more than setting them on fire or shooting arrows at them.
stiff gate
Why is corruption leech worthless? Seems like it’d be decent for m+?
hard cipher
better than nothing
strong forum
literally every corruption provides offensive and defensive benefits
hard cipher
:kappa:
strong forum
except the avoidance bullshit
which is also dog btw
ofc its better than nothing, but its worse than everything
distant crystal
avoidance isn't better than nothing tbh
rather be a cleanboi than wear that shit
south yarrow
Rather have heart of darkness active than nothing 🤷♂️
real snow
my gear is quite low at the moment I have 430 dragonscale from RF, 430 block. I just got the Ancient Tuskarr Seacharm 445 from the emissary, 546 str, 517 vers on proc for 7 sec , is this any good to equip for now ?
ebon hound
sim it 🤷♂️
nimble brook
account wide essences means time to play vdh as alt
dark lark
edgy wraith
Gemhide or Vampiric Speed
chilly brook
Did they finally give account wide essences?
edgy wraith
starts next week
nimble brook
personally I really like vampiric speed
edgy wraith
plus it will add to healing meter
chilly brook
Holy shit
They actually finally listened
I might actually be convinced to resub and play again
nimble brook
when you're pulling big, it's nice to get that heal when mobs die
chilly brook
VDH is a lot of fun but I cant be fucked to play an alt this expansion because of essences
But I guess they finally listened lol
Bruh....
Wait....
Account wide with a currency.....
left hatch
the currency comes from all "current content" tho
dailies, M+, raid etc
so in theory its not timegated
and you'll be able to pick up your BiS while just gearing normally
in a week or so
rigid sinew
it incentivizes u to at least get some stuff done before stomping to the level of your main
which i think is a good middle ground
tropic star
anyone know if Shield blocks cooldown is tracked via a % or raw number? I ask because of haste procs
so like when vita and meticulous scheming proc SB gets as low as 8sec CD
but when those buffs drop you see the CD tick up
does it tick up by however much the haste reduced it, or does it see its 80% charged so it goes to 80% of whatever the higher CD was
sharp night
haste is just a multiplier on cdr
i guess you can think of it by percentage but it's technically neither
hallow phoenix
It's like speeding up a clock when you have a haste proc
And when the proc ends the clock goes back to normal
woven venture
So just experimenting I did a key with devastator on. And it felt like I couldn't generate any rage. I never realized how much the rage from booming voice really is until I didn't have it. Half the time it felt like I could barely keep SB up, and not use IP nearly as much as I normally do.
woven venture
Yeah, definitely not running devastator in keys again. I was hoping it would give me a big ST boost for those tyrannical bosses but it didn't really even make that much of a difference.
strong forum
deva isnt a big boost for ST to begin with
sure its there but its like 1.5k
nothing more nothing less
whereas BV pumps your AOE dmg by a considerable amount
remote tusk
Any recommendations for Essences this week for M+? I'm using Lucid Major, Vision, Null and Warden Minor.
strong forum
i wouldnt use lucid major for tyrannical keys
nothing hurts
not even in 20s
literally go default essences
naive panther
Devastator is a ton of rage though. Way more shield slams. Frequent avatar etc.
strong forum
Vop major
sphere / lucid / warden / aegis / cns
Deva is less rage than BV
my guy
youd have to get 1 proc off of Deva every 6.3 seconds to break even with BV on rage gain
of deva alone
left hatch
Deva is not more rage than BV
ppl have mathed it out, even being super generous and assuming procs don't overwrite
it takes insane rng to break even
and thats breaking even.
strong forum
you see seoinage, the points you made, is exactly why BV is better
wooden radish
@ionic fern hello
ionic fern
Hello.
chilly brook
@naive panther deva is nice in single target but it in no way shape or form comes out ahead of BV for rage. And using it in keys is just bad since a significant portion of the key you would benefit from the increased damage across multiple targets from BV's added debuff.
lapis pond
Hello and happy Friday folks!
fleet cedar
Hi guys, I'm currently pushing 20+ mythic keys as a prot warrior. I have played ML many times, but I have no idea how to tank the 3rd boss of ML properly on this level. I reflect the first Chemical burn and I spent all my rage on Ignore pain. But I'm still dropping like a fly. Does anyone have advice on what I should do?
sick sentinel
sounds about right
you have to run pure magic DR
rotate your CDs and call externals
It's THE worst boss for prot
Some people even are having their prot and their DH swap
so vdh and fury
fleet cedar
We really had no fighting chance. I dropped to 10% within seconds on a +20 ML.
Before her first Chemical burn
sick sentinel
that's probably the worst part is the first part
as you don't really have anything up
hallow phoenix
Some people swap to that IP talent or you could swap to a different trinket setup and azerite gear. Swapping essences helps too
There's an inn right outside ML
sick sentinel
That's not going to save you from bad external/ cd rotations tho
fleet cedar
What essence setup would you recommend?
hallow phoenix
I imagine Undying Gift is the right play
And null minor
But kyothi is right, if you aren't already rotating CDs then an essence setup won't make a huge difference
fleet cedar
You mean rotating cds on chemical burns right? Or on the fight overall.
mortal brook
chem burns. its when the healer's attention is distracted from you
but ofc cds that are just part of your natural rotation, like demo, last stand, just keep those rolling
sick sentinel
in high keys the healer shouldn't really need to spend globals on others
as you on the fly call cds
like cloak, bubble
nether
etc
you do it to your own externals and cds
not theirs
fleet cedar
Thanks for the advice guys
exotic spoke
Talent change isn’t worth it imo Undying gift can be good if you’re struggling.
Opening with defensives is pretty much necessary
lusty grotto
what up
sick sentinel
You should be switching regardless so theres literally no point in not taking it
lusty grotto
so i just found about something i missed which is the legendary xmog thing
so who would win? a stewart boi?
a shadowmourn boi
or a sulf boi
since apparently we cant xmog warglaives for whatever the fuck reason
o forgot TF but then again IM BARON CURSED IN BOTH VERSIONS
lavish trout
can't seem to find it else where for tanking, you just want 1 deafening crash or can you still stack it?
lavish trout
Ok, cause I got a choice between another DC and Bloodsport, all my shoulders kinda blow lol. so I wasn't sure if it was worth just taking the extra dc or not
left hatch
tbh id take the extra DC in that case
mortal brook
use a rolling pin for a chef mog. that or a frying pan. wtf dude
left hatch
bloodsport is... just fucking awful
lavish trout
yeah I kind of figured, lol it really doesn't even look good on tooltip. Cheers
stark ruin
Formless void
sick sentinel
formless void is
winged grail
What are the BiS trinkets for 20+ M+ keys? I'm assuming Lingering Psychic Shell is one of them?
left hatch
that and vita probably
grand spruce
is lucid major good for keys 15 and below?
mild river
The trinket from raden, the versatility one...is it good or shit?
warm plinth
@grand spruce Read the 2nd pin. tl;dr: no
grand spruce
cheers
lusty grotto
@warm plinth
warm plinth
Hi Nim
warm plinth
😄
nimble mauve
hello, my dudes. for fights like zul/rixxa, how do the prot bois feel about r3 touch of the everlasting? 40% heal on death, followed by 85% DR for 3s, and then a reset on shield wall
the minor doesnt give you much value imo, but the major seems like it could be okay?
left hatch
cheat deaths don't have much defensive value
historically you only use it when learning a fight
or if you're intentionally trying to cheese something
nimble mauve
what if you intentionally died to get 85% DR for 3s and a reset on wall
left hatch
so you're giving up an entire dungeon of guerenteed defensive value for... nothing
that sounds like an exceptionally bad idea
for rixxa just port out and swap essences/talents
and teach your group to properly rotate cds/dispels
for zul you can kite it
nimble mauve
ive heard a few people discuss taking certain things for specifically a fight. for example, zul. trell said he brought undying gift just to have another CD for the fight. my line of thinking is that going in with SR on zul, then walling, letting yourself dying, enjjoying 3s of 85% DR, and then having a free wall would be the equivalent of having at least 2 extra CDs
or am i dumb
i might be dumb
nimble mauve
fair enough, unfortunately this boi does not have r3 gift
i have CLF on my mage, but i am unsure if that will count as gift on my prot
(for tuesday)