protection

[left hatch]

Vita+Void is not a good combo in M+

you don't get the bonus effect from the 2-set outside raid

and void is an awful trinket for tanks

the shield gets consumed immediately so you don't have any uptime on the crit

@plush prism i wouldn't say necesary.... especially since ST damage matters more

however IS isn't going to do much for you either

sine bosses won't last long enough

[edgy bone]

Guys i have a hard question

[warm plinth]

If it's does anyone want this shield, the answer is yes, I will take it

[edgy bone]

So here is the ring I am using right:

[mortal brook]

sir pls, save some rng for the rest of us

[edgy bone]

Now: once my cape is maxed, I can afford to add another ~30 corruption piece and sit safely around 50 corruption

[warm plinth]

Yeah come on dude, what the fuck

[edgy bone]

Would it be better to use this: ?

[modest thistle]

I’ll give you 5 dollery doos for that ring good sir

[edgy bone]

OR

This: ?

Because they are both roughly the same corruption

[warm plinth]

You're making me sad right now

[modest thistle]

And avoidance!!!

[mortal brook]

haste prob serve you well in most cases. wrathion annoying to play around

[modest thistle]

Oh boy

[edgy bone]

So you think I should cleanse the searing flames?

[mortal brook]

I'd share all my TD but they're on 7 pieces ranging from 410 to 415 ilvl

[edgy bone]

It seems nice to have 2 AoE effects

with searing flames and TD

[mortal brook]

until you end the pull with 30 stacks and your charge builds the last stack to go off mid charge and its wasted :notlikethis:

[edgy bone]

But the stacks last forever

they dont fade right

[mortal brook]

they dont

[edgy bone]

ok so thats good

[mortal brook]

you could totes do 28ish abilities pre-pull and start with a searing on pull. that's so much work tho

[fallow tusk]

So, that tank wrist any good?

[mortal brook]

the mecha one? itll outsim at equal ilvl but not really out-perform. pretty low uptime avoid/parry doesnt go places

[fallow tusk]

Yeah the parry ones, im maily dps and this is for some reason in dps loot table

So the weekly chest played me this time

[edgy bone]

@mortal brook Why do i gotta finagle it like that

Who cares if it goes off mid pull

[mortal brook]

but then you might a whole cast if you end with stacks! D:

[edgy bone]

im so confused bro

whats so bad about ignoring it completely

and just letting it go off on its own

without even looking at it

[mortal brook]

i mean sure, you could

[edgy bone]

you're acting like thats bad

[mortal brook]

its a middle of the pack that requires my attention to max its efficacy

so i dont like it!

[edgy bone]

yeah i know its meh

but dont you think itd be better for m+

than racing pulse?

[mortal brook]

idk. i dont need to position for racing pulse. that's pretty solid average haste added to my damage and mitigation uptime

it would be interesting to see what the target# is where wrathion pulls ahead, if there is one

[ionic fern]

Ahead of what

[mortal brook]

racing pulse vs searing flames

actually sims would be a little in practice deficient since they would hit every target every time

[edgy bone]

Mwahi

[ionic fern]

Yes?

[edgy bone]

I have rank 3 Tdev

Meaning with new cape corrppution resist

i can safely equip another ~30 corruption and be at 50

[ionic fern]

Okay, and you're debating between Searing Flames and Racing?

For what? m+? Raids

?

[edgy bone]

Here's the pieces i'm debating beetween Mwahi

for m+

To go with my r3 Tdev

What do you think would be best for Mythic+?

[hallow phoenix]

theyre probably equal in dps

[ionic fern]

I'd take Racing Pulse.
Pretty sure it'll do better than Searing Flames in the overall dungeon defensively and offensively.

I remember when i simmed AoE 10 targets 5 minutes Racing Pulse was ahead of Searing Flames.

[hallow phoenix]

We got xanesh down tonight! Reclearing her seems impossible unless we have the same people 😦

[ionic fern]

@edgy bone

[edgy bone]

@ionic fern Thank you !

[ionic fern]

It's not as bad Tusks. We did it with new people yesterday and it went fine. 😄

[hallow phoenix]

my officers are thinking about asking me to tone down my dps cause threat was an issue a few times

[fallow tusk]

What :D

[hallow phoenix]

another officer told them off for me lol

not my problem that other tanks cant do their rotation properly /shrug

[ionic fern]

I had that once in a guild.

Ended up leaving it.

🤷

[mortal brook]

depends really. did vex tonight, TD rips regardless of how good my cotank is

[hallow phoenix]

i think i woulda left had they actually approached me about it

[ionic fern]

TD doesn't rip.

Wdym.

[hallow phoenix]

hunters/rogues havent even been asked to MD

[mortal brook]

600k crit of mechanical excellence does some nice threat

[ionic fern]

My co-tank was running 3xTD and never ripped off me.

[hallow phoenix]

oh mwahi you said you solo tanked vex? Is that just solo tanking boss?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[mortal brook]

yes

[hallow phoenix]

so 2 tank strat

[ionic fern]

3

1 for big add, 1 for boss, 1 for small adds.

[hallow phoenix]

ah ok

[mortal brook]

2 or 3 works. we have our bdk do add control which is kinda nice

I just go ham on ascendant

vex tank takes the first 2 orbs

[hallow phoenix]

our comp will probably be me, a prot pal, and a bdk

[mortal brook]

long as youve got despair handled, and 1~2 healers dispelling annihilation stacks appropriately, its no biggie

[fallow tusk]

Btw essences generate no threat and corruption procs ie TD do?

[hallow phoenix]

CoF generates threat for sure

[fallow tusk]

Really? Ive only opened a few at random

[mortal brook]

cof DEF gens threat

tank healing is zero threat since mop iirc

[hallow phoenix]

Does anyone else yoink threat off their cotank often? Tonight has me thinking about that. I pulled off our trial tank on dog a few times but its not like he was doing bad damage

[mortal brook]

so any healing essences wouldnt

[sharp night]

not mop, like halfway through legion

tank healing definitely did threat in early legion

[hallow phoenix]

i dont want to tone back my shit

[mortal brook]

ooo good fact check, ty

I 100% yoink off my cotank. I'm a LFD tankadin, they're a vop/glut vdh. they dont threat until TD procs

[ionic fern]

That's weird tho. My co-tank is a VDH also but that never happens.

[hallow phoenix]

but thats like a negative dps build lol

[ionic fern]

🤷

[hallow phoenix]

My cotank tonight was about 10k dps under me

[mortal brook]

I wouldnt yoink off a cof/spb vdh for sure

[hallow phoenix]

which i dont feel should be a large enough gap to rip threat constantly

[ionic fern]

I can't remember what he ran tho.

[sharp night]

i understand running glut when you have td because it's a dps increase, but why would you run vop in raid

[hallow phoenix]

probably ran spirit bomb

[ionic fern]

Nah.

[hallow phoenix]

well then

[ionic fern]

CoF tho.

[mortal brook]

cof aye

fracture as well

[sharp night]

raid build is cof/frac/glut

with td

cof/frac/spb otherwise

[mortal brook]

the vop is prob just habit from m+ tbh. gotta retrain to cof

[hallow phoenix]

not having CoF makes me feel empty in raid

[mortal brook]

I dont mind, more formless haste for me 😄

[remote dawn]

overwhelming power or unstable flames ?

[hallow phoenix]

OP should be better

both are excellent

[mortal brook]

OP still a bit ahead

[remote dawn]

okay OP sim better than right 🙂

[hallow phoenix]

Join the 3x OP club

feels good

[remote dawn]

yes i have ❤️

i gamble yesterday the chest

[hallow phoenix]

which one did you get

Mechanized?

oh ashvane's has both OP and UF too

[remote dawn]

ashvane's 🙂

the question is chest BIS shoulder BIS and the head gamble or buy?

have the abyssal on 450 ^^

[upbeat orbit]

Do you use Vita + Torment for m+

[mortal brook]

both are solid for m+

[upbeat orbit]

Would you use both at once or would you prioritize mitigation

[mortal brook]

vita is very solid mitigation. that haste uptime is shield block uptime, rage gen, and anything else extra haste would give you.

[edgy bone]

then why not dragonscale

[mortal brook]

dragonscale is a decent bit less haste avg than vita. lookin at like 160ish avg vs vita's 450ish

but its also a solid choice

[edgy bone]

what about mythic dragon scale VS normal vita

[mortal brook]

a good question I dont know the answer for. if you have logs of their use, wowanalyzer would tell you their avg haste contribution

and the mainstat from wrathion is also giving you some measure of defense. mainstat is parry and the ap would boost things like IP

[hallow phoenix]

Strength gives armor too

[mortal brook]

aye

[hallow phoenix]

@remote dawn gamble ofc. Live a little

There's always nzoth helm to fall back on

Thanks for pointing out wowanalyzer for average haste from trinkets Steve. I learned rezans gives me more haste over a fight than scale

Doesn't give me wings though so the point is moot

[ionic fern]

What's the difference @hallow phoenix ?

[mortal brook]

wings can be a big part of the mog mwahi

[hallow phoenix]

102

I think the rezans uptime is kinda high though, almost 32% on maut

Might just be an outlier

[mortal brook]

that's probably on the higher side. should just be 1ppm

wrathion and vita are def bigger budget than rezan's tho for sure

[hallow phoenix]

I have been rerolling twice for that trinket for the past 3 weeks

No dice

And no one will trade

[blazing gale]

Do you use CNS as major ?

[mortal brook]

not in most scenarios

minor super solid tho

[blazing gale]

so hwat aas major then? VoP always?

for m+

[plush prism]

I like VoP a lot

[mortal brook]

VoP in most cases, lucid in very high (20+) keys

[hallow phoenix]

Weird analyzer doesn't show average crit from gore

[mortal brook]

the problem with cns major is the root gets overridden by any slow over 30%

it should. did you have it equipped on that pull?

could look at the uptime from the log itself and then just mult that uptime by block's crit if you need

X crit * uptime/100

[hallow phoenix]

Got an almost 4 min xanesh attempt with rezans giving more haste again

:(

[mortal brook]

rppm is the best mechanic

esp for wrathion cloak

[hallow phoenix]

What am I seeing

[mortal brook]

cloak procs and uptime

[hallow phoenix]

Cloak uptimes?

[mortal brook]

wildly varied over a 7m fight

[hallow phoenix]

What are the numbers on the left

[mortal brook]

count/uptime

[hallow phoenix]

Interesting

[mortal brook]

like, shammy at the bottom gets 10 procs, but they're overlapping, so less uptime than the next who got 7 non-overlapping

its dumb

nearly half the uptime of the highest uptime

but its all 1.25 ppm

how can you sim for such a silly variance, even

[hallow phoenix]

That's actually insane

[mortal brook]

its poor design is what it is

[hallow phoenix]

Tomorrow I'ma go through my logs and compare my uptimes

[mortal brook]

like, an icd would be so much more reliable here

[hallow phoenix]

And hope that my best parses aren't just insane cloak procs

[sharp night]

icd means people game it 🙂

[mortal brook]

I'm not advocating for an icd because it would line with sera :kappa

[hallow phoenix]

Can't have people gaming mechanics in an rpg

[mortal brook]

best thing since spellqueueing bosses, right?

[hallow phoenix]

Jaina...

[mortal brook]

jaina indeed

had a xanesh pull, just one out of the 100 we've done, where a soul flay delayed so long we were in the wrong spot for a void ritual that should have come 12s after the soul flay lol

[hallow phoenix]

Luckily we never got anything that bad

[mortal brook]

freak spell queueing anomaly

[hallow phoenix]

Just bad interrupts or kicks

Xanesh is cool on paper but oh man

I am not looking forward to reclearing

[mortal brook]

punishing fight for sure

[hallow phoenix]

Pretty sure we had people failing soccer tryouts on purpose so they'd get taken off duty lol

[mortal brook]

missed an interrupt? someone else kicked early and now the count is off? heck off everyone dies

[hallow phoenix]

We actually had a huge tremor someone timed on a missed interrupt

Almost didn't even notice we were feared

[mortal brook]

I save bubble just for such an occasion, to get the cycle of interrupts so we can recover. it works....sometimes?

[hallow phoenix]

Paladin

[mortal brook]

#protection

[hallow phoenix]

My new cotank might be a pally

Always been my favorite cotank

Shares the same gear

And the utility is nice

[mortal brook]

big skill cap between a meh pally and a good pally

bad pallies die like bad bdks

[hallow phoenix]

I think he's just an ok pally

But I can't be picky

[mortal brook]

send him over with logs, can sort him

[ionic fern]

👀

[hallow phoenix]

He did die on dog with just double dissolve

So that was interesting

[mortal brook]

give log!

[ionic fern]

B a d.

[hallow phoenix]

Let me find it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dQ8cBGKMJvabpnTP#fight=26&source=108

I think this is it?

On mobile atm

He died to corruption first death

[ionic fern]

I remember my Paladin glory days back in Legioin. 😦

[hallow phoenix]

Which is luk

Lul

Mwahi you too?

All these pallies...

[mortal brook]

ez fix here; dude is running extra horse instead of spellwarding. thats a death avoided.

[amber siren]

paladins out

[mortal brook]

spellwarding big for double dissolve. get two in a fight even

[hallow phoenix]

I will tell him that

[mortal brook]

oh my heck

[ionic fern]

😦

And now he's rotting away. 😦

[hallow phoenix]

Alliance dog 🐕

[amber siren]

[ionic fern]

Always alliance.

👍

[hallow phoenix]

Come horde bb

Well treat you right

[ionic fern]

With that horrible capital of yours?

No ty.

[undone sun]

faction wars are dumb
@ me

[mortal brook]

needs to work on his consc buff uptime, along with overcasting consc

[hallow phoenix]

At least we don't have diaper babies

[amber siren]

dazaralor is the reason why im glad oce raids alliance

fuck that place

[ionic fern]

Imagine dying to shit when you got literally everything up.

[hallow phoenix]

Steve is there a simple WA to track that?

I imagine just a duration for conc

[mortal brook]

yeah i use one that beeps at me when consc is 2 gcds from running out. theres prob another that would inform you about not having the DR buff active while in combat

[hallow phoenix]

Would do the trick

I died on our kill pull on dog

Because I thought I had block up for a second crush

RIP

[mortal brook]

his rotation isnt too bad. he knows to judge lots so theres that.

his sera uptime needs work

[hallow phoenix]

Does wowanalyzer work for prot pal

[ionic fern]

Ofc.

[hallow phoenix]

I know enough about the class to read a wowanal

[mortal brook]

fairly well. cant account for everything cuz of Grand Crusader

[tropic oriole]

Mwahi what race are you playing? Dwarf or NE?

[mortal brook]

rotation-wise he's pretty much there tho

LFD for tankadin

[hallow phoenix]

He's a diaper baby

[ionic fern]

DID.

On my warrior

LFD on my paladin

Kultiran on druid.

[mortal brook]

i'd be DID if lfd wasnt so heckin busted

love did

[hallow phoenix]

So basically just his uptimes and not dying for no reason is what he needs to work on?

I have some hivemind logs and I think he was taking more damage than reasonable

[mortal brook]

looking at kills, his rotation is pretty good. just talent choices and sera uptime really

lemme look at his hivemind

[tropic oriole]

Does DID have something similar like Stoneform?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

Fireblood.

Does the exact same thing but instead of giving 10% physical DR it gives you STR based on how many effects you cleansed.

[mortal brook]

looks cute

[ionic fern]

Also @hallow phoenix @mortal brook link your logs in DM's etc. We're still Warriors.

[tropic oriole]

Uh, that's fancy

[hallow phoenix]

Sorry

[ionic fern]

👍

[edgy bone]

how much AP do you geyt from killing a normal boss in Nya

[ionic fern]

It's fine with some small-talk but if you gonna go full on Paladin log analyzing then just do it in DM's. 😄

[hallow phoenix]

Tyrant

You pallies gotta stick together!

[ionic fern]

Aight, i quit. 😒

Going back to playing Solitair.

[hallow phoenix]

Wait I have a question about vexiona

[ionic fern]

Sorry, i only deal with Solitair TC now.

[undone sun]

another joins the club

👏

[ionic fern]

Freedoooom

[hallow phoenix]

The heck is solitaire tc

[undone sun]

exactly what it sounds like

[ionic fern]

^

Solitaire theorycrafting.

Ever heard of CLASSICS tusks??

Anyways, what's your question about Vex? 😂

[hallow phoenix]

Oh

When you reflect the end of her dot thingy

Does it reflect just the damage it does to you or does it deflect the damage the raid would take

[ionic fern]

You.

[hallow phoenix]

Bummer

Go theorycraft with Thyme I won't keep you

[plush prism]

i love thyme seared in some butter and crushed garlic for a nice pan seared pork chop

[ionic fern]

What

[ruby nexus]

@edgy bone 900 ap per boss once a week

[remote gale]

Hey guys ! What essences do you run in Visions ?

[undone sun]

fake cosmo is right

[ruby nexus]

But you won't get any if you already killed boss on another difficulty

[ionic fern]

I usually just do CoF major and then w/e i happen to have on which most of the time is CnS/Nullr3/Lucid(formless) @remote gale
You do enough AoE damage already so you should focus on ST.

I'm a pleb when it comes to masked visions tho since i never got into doing them.

[willow star]

I just watched a Video of a 22 kr and saw that the prot used sb at zul. Is the cast blockable?

[ionic fern]

No.

Zul still melees you tho.

• you can use SB to increase SS damage.

[hallow phoenix]

He melees????

....

Oh

[willow star]

Yes but not al lot is it worth using sb there over ip defensive wise?

[ionic fern]

He melees but not for a lot.

😂

Defensive wise 100% not.

DPS wise - yes.

[quartz jackal]

Guys ive come across a dilemma and i need your help! I know its ilvl over anything but it feels bad to lose all that haste. should i still equip the 455 ring and get rid of the 430?

[amber siren]

Rings have leeway but 25ilvls is too big of a gap

More stats is better than less

[quartz jackal]

so swap?

[amber siren]

Ya

[quartz jackal]

it hurts bro..

it hurts...

[amber siren]

[sharp night]

how did you manage to make an image so small it shrinks when clicked on and is even more impossible to read

[quartz jackal]

oh thats wierd, i can see it pretty good without even clicking, i can write the stats if you want

[amber siren]

It’s pixelated af but is readable on mobile

[sharp night]

your question was already answered, i just tried to look at the image and couldn't actually read it lol

[quartz jackal]

Ring 1: 430ilvl , 504 stamina, 336 haste, 175 vers
ring 2: 455ilvl, 660 stamina, 317 crit, 238 mastery

hahahah

sorry

gonna try to give a better pic next time when asking for help 😄

i use the snipping tool hahah

works like a charm in other aspects

[sharp night]

yeah normally it scales down in the preview and then i click it and it makes it bigger/clearer

wasn't expecting the opposite to happen 😂

[quartz jackal]

hahahahaha true true! but yeah ilvl over all even if that haste hurts to throw...

[blazing gale]

Wold it be worth going for 480 helmet with shitty azerite over 465 with bastion?

[strong forum]

Depends on how shitty

[blazing gale]

It would mean I have 2x dafening crush and 0 bastions? idk I will send links to items after I get back home

If I send you my simc later will you guys be able to help ? 🙂

[strong forum]

Ye defo

0 bastions is a punch in the gut, but all depends on the individual pieces, generally a 480 would be better defensively, Unless it's literally bloodsport + callous reprisal

[blazing gale]

pretty much what you've said 😄

I'm still hunitng for some shoulders, will send some pics of gear later

at least im in rezan vita gang 😄

[sweet summit]

[stone lodge]

hey guys, any streamers you recommend watching ? 🙂

[strong forum]

I don't think there's any educational streamers worth mentioning

[sick sentinel]

Rads is an education streamer

[strong forum]

The most information you're gonna is mostly m+ routes and tricks here and there, but not class specific stuff

[frosty holly]

radsrad is very friendly indeed

Often do i see him responding about tanking questions in chat

[strong forum]

Haven't watched him in a while

Naowh is can say is DEFO not educational

[hard cipher]

What talents does people use for Visions

[amber siren]

i use CoF major for single target damage

[warm plinth]

Same talents, just different essences (such as CoF) and cyclo isn't a bad idea to help with burst on bosses

[devout basin]

how are the anodized deflectors? worth using against something of the same ilvl?

[warm plinth]

Eh

I'd use something with stats over them at equal ilevel

[devout basin]

the equal ilvl bracers arent haste heavy though

[ionic fern]

Sim them.

Chances are equal ilvl bracers with stats will be better.

[devout basin]

im low ilvl trying to push my io atm so im more concerned about survivability

[ionic fern]

Then stats.

[devout basin]

sweet, thanks

[flint cliff]

what do you guys think of these essences for this week m+?

[sweet summit]

vop major, not cof

[flint cliff]

ive seen two top tanks running COF mainslot already this week

[sweet summit]

CoF is for raids, they might have logged out in "raid gear"

[brisk ferry]

or vision gear

[sweet summit]

or that

[flint cliff]

naw bro i checked for taht

[ionic fern]

Are you a top tank?

[flint cliff]

i hate that argument more than anything

[brisk ferry]

also idk where you're looking

there are no top tanks running CoF

[ionic fern]

I hate people who blindly follow "top tanks" more than anything.

[warm plinth]

^ this tbh

[flint cliff]

im not "blindly" following it. I can see the logic with tyranical and bursting

quit condensing me into some sheep follower

I think through the decisions i make

[ionic fern]

Then why are you asking this question? 🤔

[warm plinth]

Well I'm not sure why you're asking us then

[flint cliff]

Minors are deviations from some of the builds i saw

[ionic fern]

What keys are you running?

[slate pilot]

In case you’re not aware: That screenshot doesnt mean he had those essences for that key

[strong forum]

He logged out with that

I have literally key with arms azerite

On rio

[flint cliff]

oo okay, it just pastes it onto the runs too?

[strong forum]

As tank

Yes

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[flint cliff]

oh okay

that clarifies things a lot for me

thank you

[strong forum]

I have literally keys with arms azerite and essences on rio, even though I was tank

[jolly thistle]

I run the same essences for 5mask visions

They show up in keys also

[flint cliff]

usually I VOP mainslot but i saw a couple tanks with that in their run history and i thought well maybe its for tyrannical and ill give it a go

[strong forum]

Na, vop is the go-to for every week pretty much

[ionic fern]

For example.

[strong forum]

Unless you know better

[flint cliff]

i really would hate to come across as arrogant, I just dont like having labels like "blindly following" pasted onto me

[ionic fern]

DPS'ing but showing prot traits since logged out in prot.

[flint cliff]

you can see how that would prompt atleast some kind of irritation

anyways ill be back tanking nzoth wish me luck on that trinket

[strong forum]

We get the same questions with the same answer very often that's where the label comes from

'but top dudes'

[ionic fern]

^

Hence the 2nd pin in this channel as well.

👀

[onyx vessel]

Top players like to switch gear/essences and talents to mess with ppl sometimes

[flint cliff]

im not super accustomed with the discord so forgive me

[ionic fern]

If i was a top prot warrior i'd log out with the most stupid shit ever

Just to mess around.

🤷

Like triple CR.

[onyx vessel]

[remote dawn]

i find on +20 Keys and higher luicd is sexy for selfsustain but all under +20 is Vop BiS

[ionic fern]

I only use Lucid in some certain dungeons.
E.g ML/Freehold/TD/WM where you can do big-big pulls.

[hybrid echo]

Lucid is a lot of fun to play with, imo

[ionic fern]

It is.

[hybrid echo]

One of the things that made me actually volunteer to tank mythic+, haha

[onyx vessel]

I use lucid minor

[strong forum]

I played lucid major in junkyard... Was big doodoo

[onyx vessel]

No cns

Failed a junk 14 cuz healer got lost

[strong forum]

Never again lucid in junkyard, no actual big pulls

[onyx vessel]

She never did mechagon

👀

I mean there is

If you wanna wipe

[flint cliff]

but yeah im primarily pushing 15-17s rn with my group

[warm plinth]

Yeah just pull 1800 grunters

[flint cliff]

I usually use VOP primary

[warm plinth]

DPS dying sounds like a healer problem to me

[onyx vessel]

Skittish with hunter and a rogue was pretty hard

Almost had to try

I dont know layouts enough rn

[jolly thistle]

Skittish can be hard if dps go in and get an insta TD proc

[onyx vessel]

Or iris

[ionic fern]

Then you /laugh

[onyx vessel]

Ikr

Ppl using iris in skittish weeks

[jolly thistle]

Yeah just let them die if they iris on pull

[tame garden]

Hi mwahi

[ionic fern]

I gotta say tho..when tanking keys i thought i noticed DPS being mongs.
But now that i have healed for a few weeks in m+ i gotta say...DPS players are the most horrid things alive.

[onyx vessel]

Whys that

[ionic fern]

They literally afk stand in EVEYRHTING

Hi Speg.

[onyx vessel]

Sounds like me

👀

[ionic fern]

[onyx vessel]

I try to dodge shit

[tame garden]

Ye I ran 68 corruption as fury last night and the healer said he had to heal me more than the tank

[ionic fern]

On the other hand it's fun to see what other tanks do tho. 👀

[onyx vessel]

I run 38

I was doing a 5 with 58

Died like 4 times

🤔

Had the +2 corrupt debuff

[ionic fern]

Charge into a big pack without using any of your available CD's/Mitigation.
Spirit Link to save the tank
Spirit Link ends
Tank dies
Tank: HEAL ME YOU NOOB

[tame garden]

I only died once

[ionic fern]

Ok frend.

[onyx vessel]

So i was at 60

Getting unlucky

Was tilting

[tame garden]

Mwahi you have to heal

[ionic fern]

That was me healing.

The charger was some random tank.

[onyx vessel]

Playing shaman

[ionic fern]

Not gonna lie, Resto shaman fun af.

In m+.

[tame garden]

Yeah I had a shammy alt last tier

But cba doing cloak stuff a 3rd time

[onyx vessel]

If you interupt

👍

[ionic fern]

Ofc i do

[onyx vessel]

I love when i get a shaman that does interupt shit or purge

30 damn

[warm plinth]

If you don't interrupt as a resto shaman, every other healer hates your guts

[onyx vessel]

Sad part most dont

[strong forum]

If you don't interrupt period

You suck

[warm plinth]

YOU SICK

[onyx vessel]

I dont enough

I run most keys with a prot pally

So its ok

Ghash you main dh

If you see a dh not interupting

[warm plinth]

Oh it's the opposite for a DH

We get pissed when other people interrupt

My rogue loves to steal my kicks; I think he gets sick pleasure from it

[onyx vessel]

In your guild/m+ team you like I GOT This

[hybrid echo]

Me, not playing DH at all, and not bothering to learn about classes I do not play - what does interrupting as DH give you?

[warm plinth]

Yeah exactly. He will even kick shit that I've called the kick on and I just cry inside

[onyx vessel]

Resource

[warm plinth]

It gives you fury (their resource)

Literally the only spec in the game that has incentive to use their interrupt aside from stopping the big bad spell

[onyx vessel]

When warrior had the glyph for interupts

Gimme that interupt

Time to get a weak aura that yells at me to interupt

[stoic pilot]

I really think everyone should have an incentive to interrupt dps wise

[hybrid echo]

Let's streamline all classes/specs, and make them all have the same bonuses 😄

[novel temple]

any guides for prot wars on doing the horrific visions?

im about to do org for the first time

[amber siren]

there are quite a few povs on youtube with prot warriors doing them

i'd start there

[onyx vessel]

Pump

[novel temple]

could i do a full clear on the first attempt*

[ripe shale]

If your cloak is high enough

[novel temple]

nope

im on the questline for the horrific vision

i just came back to wow

[amber siren]

rank 1 you wont have enough for a full clear

[ripe shale]

Yah you can't at rank 1 no matter the spec

[novel temple]

so just kill thrall and get out?

[amber siren]

just focus on doing the minimum for the quests and worry about full clears around 5-6

yeah just get thrall

[ripe shale]

Unless you're being pl

[novel temple]

pl?

[amber siren]

im guessing power leveled?

[ripe shale]

Yeah

[warm plinth]

I don't believe anyone can go in with you on the very first one.

Could be wrong though

[amber siren]

ive never tried so 🤷‍♂️

[onyx vessel]

Just go in and kill thrall

[blazing gale]

the first one dont u just die ?

like the first first

[warm plinth]

Nah, the ones you go in in Uldum you die the first time

But not the actual horrific vision

You can kill Thrall that first time unless you're just a fresh 120 or something

Doesn't give you cloak upgrade or anything, but you can get mementos

[novel temple]

also, is there any new reusable flasks in this patch?

i know theres the reusable runes now

[amber siren]

nope

[novel temple]

rip

[terse oasis]

so the reusable rune, being single character for 50k is not a great deal, unless you use a lot of runes

and since rune prices are tanking (at least on my server) it's super cheap to buy up a stack or two and hand them out to alts when needed

[novel temple]

im on illidan so i think theyre still selling pretty well on my server

so i could offload mine honestly

[strong forum]

I never bother with runes cuz they're so miniscule and expensive for that

So getting the perma one is great

[novel temple]

ok so the guides are saying just get to rank 5 and then it becomes super easy

but i could push for at least one area between 1-4 seemingly

[terse oasis]

i mean, for t he progression fights/high keys they were useful

when you were getting the sub 2% wipes

but yeah, just always running one with the perm rune on a main is good

[marsh shuttle]

Is the mastery corruption which increase it by 523 is good for tanking raid or mythic? while my base mastery is 27%?

[sick sentinel]

It’s not terrible, but there are better options. If you have room in your corruption budget there’s no reason not to use it

[marsh shuttle]

Thank you bro, because I have it on my heroic shield from Il'gynoth so I wanted to double check it before remove it.

[real snow]

Whats it like to solo full clear as prot warr with a rank 8 cloak ?

Can it be done

[amber siren]

yeah should be fine

[marsh shuttle]

After lvl 12 cloak everything is very easy.

[real snow]

im only 458 ilvl but as a result of bad traits and some weekly chest pieces im only sitting at 13% crit, with 27% haste and 39% mastery unbuffed ... hopefully my dmg output is enough to solo it

[amber siren]

stat %'s dont matter too much,458 should be plenty for a full clear as long as you know where youre going and what to expect

[marsh shuttle]

go with devistation corruption

[real snow]

yeah iv soloed with all other alts - not done on Warr yet

thats why I prefer org, just know where everything is etc etc

[amber siren]

youre definitely not alone preferring org

[marsh shuttle]

Ive soloed with 2 masks 450ilvl fury with 12lvl cloack

Stormwind

[real snow]

i just got a fury build with some pieces, 449 ilvl, i could try dps

[amber siren]

just go in with whatever spec youre most comfortable in, theyre all fine for visions

[marsh shuttle]

I just pull all zone and aoe it with focusing iris and bladestorm

[real snow]

im going into the social HC Nya raid with guild as fury, they have tanks anyway - hoping to get some prot pieces

should help me in my m+ tankng

[marsh shuttle]

How much haste and versa is enough for tank and what is minimum for other stats?

[amber siren]

no minimum stats or caps to hit, prot war likes all stats with a preference for ilvl, then haste->crit->mast=vers

[real snow]

Here is a question, how did you guys feel or do you feel when pugging a m+ key like above 10 as prot warrior - someone who hasnt played much prot warrior ? Or do you just go and do it and dont really care - I sometimes feel like not doing it cos of fear of getting ripped into by players .

if I make mistakes

[marsh shuttle]

I go lower keys helping ppl and learining stuff before i que for someone's higher keys

[amber siren]

the best way to learn is to do, there are tools like method dungeon tools that can help you plan routing and trash % which is especially useful if youre doing 10+ with the ability to skip trash with the awakening affix

99% chance the people you group with youre never going to see again as well

just let the group know and prepare as much as you reasonably can

[real snow]

sounds like good advice atleast I know where to start

[marsh shuttle]

@amber siren How about this ? Should I lower haste a bit ?

[amber siren]

no such thing as too much haste

you'll never reach the cap

[marsh shuttle]

same with other stats?

[sweet summit]

you should remove void-twisted titanshard

its poop

[amber siren]

yep same as others, just haste is the highest 'priority' outside of raw item level outside of rings and trinketds

[marsh shuttle]

I don't have anything better, I main fury

[sweet summit]

you should also take force multiplier as weapon enchant

what else do you have?

[marsh shuttle]

@sweet summit

[sweet summit]

block+rezan

or rezan+jar

[tame garden]

Those are some low ilvl trinkets friend

[marsh shuttle]

Block better than jar?

[sweet summit]

jar is pure offence

[marsh shuttle]

yeah thats what im saying 🙂

[sweet summit]

block gives crit and crit =parry

so kinda up to you what you want

[real snow]

low lvl trinkets but Id take some of those anyday for my lowbie

[marsh shuttle]

corruption with 3% leach worth to be weared?

[tame garden]

Not rly

[sweet summit]

leech isnt worth anything

[marsh shuttle]

So I will clean it then?

[sweet summit]

only time id wear leech corrupt is if i need a bit to activate HoD

yea

[tame garden]

Better than avoidance

Worse than anything else

[marsh shuttle]

BTW about azerite traits, before 8.3 eveyone were taken 3xBoM and 3xDC. Now is like 2-3xHearth of Darkness 2-3xBoM and maybe 1 DC ? It's so much game changer now?

[sweet summit]

dont stack DC

you want 3x BoM and 1x DC, fill the rest in with other stuff like IF, HoD, MS etc.

but you dont drop ilvl for BoM

[marsh shuttle]

Ok so ilvl>3xBoM=1DC=2HoD

[sweet summit]

that works

[marsh shuttle]

and what about lesser traits? anything to stack? 3 OP or ?

[sweet summit]

UF>OP>the rest for m+

[marsh shuttle]

Better have 1 of each? UF>OP hmm

[real snow]

the three 465 pieces I gambled, only 1 has BoM, so I just have to use the other lesser ones until I can get some decent traits

[sweet summit]

stack UF and/or OP

ilvl>bom

[real snow]

i managed 1 DC, 1 bom, 1 IF, 1 CR, 1 BFI

for now

[marsh shuttle]

I managed to do now. 3xBoM. 1xMS. 1xDC. 1xHoD.

[amber siren]

👍

[marsh shuttle]

And why you say to do force multiplyier? I saw most of the ppl from top rio is doing quick?

[amber siren]

not specifically related to just the enchant, but it's important to understand why they're doing specific things rather than following what their doing - a lot of people get caught with this especially with their essences

[tame garden]

Quick is fine as well

Force more dps

[marsh shuttle]

you mean they do haste cuz they are low on haste and if i have more than 30 I should go force?

[sweet summit]

force is also good defensively

let me see if i can find the picture

[amber siren]

I’m guessing quick is for SB charges in higher keys? I could be totally off

[tame garden]

It's not gonna be a noticeable difference either way tbh

[sweet summit]

force multi can proc back-to-back for giga value

[final mist]

Often, people at high keys and shit do shit by how it “feels”, not how it actually works

Like leech

[amber siren]

[final mist]

That’s why it’s important to examine it and not just blindly copy it

[storm isle]

so the 9% leach corruption i got in my chest is useless

[tame garden]

Ye

[marsh shuttle]

Then i go to examine my new build now 🙂

[storm isle]

what about the 12% of haste made to avoidance

[sweet summit]

even worse

[storm isle]

lucky me

[exotic spoke]

I’d use the leech as a filler Corruption if you have no other options

Over avoidance

[storm isle]

yeah i have some echoing void on blue 415 gear and stuff like that

[exotic spoke]

Maybe worth maybe not for that big of an ilvl drop.

[hallow phoenix]

I use a 415 ring with TD1 on it 😶

[exotic spoke]

I say that - but I’m using 430 bracers with TD2

[storm isle]

i have some nice crit corruption

12 and 9% more crit from all sources

[carmine nymph]

I use 470 boots w td3

good to keep?

haste vers

[brisk ferry]

weird flex

[tame garden]

[amber siren]

yes

the answer is yes

[tame garden]

The answer is

[amber siren]

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

[hoary dune]

I’m super new to prot but don’t seems to have any survivability issues in the 10-15 m+s I’m doing. I should just be going for bastion and thunderclap traits for dps correct?

[sweet summit]

you want ONE (1) deafening crash

[nocturne pilot]

New warrior tank looking to get better at mythic+ 10 and above keys finding my routing and what nobs to pull are more my issue anyone have good links for anything to reference?

[sweet summit]

BoM is a great trait to stack

@nocturne pilot there are routes on raider.io

get method dungeon tools

and you can click on different mobs and see what they do

[nocturne pilot]

ok thanks

raiderio has a website?

[brisk ferry]

raider.io

if you're trolling, you got me

[sweet summit]

https://raider.io/news?tag=weekly-route

[nocturne pilot]

nah my dude took a break off since the beginning of bfa

[tame garden]

No1 ever trolls in prot chat

[nocturne pilot]

and back to grind until sl

[sweet summit]

speg is keeping this chat troll free : )

[tame garden]

o7

[nocturne pilot]

ok thanks this looks like it will help!

[sweet summit]

you dont have to blindly follow them

as you get more experience youll change routes depending on comp and shit

but they are great for starting out

and seemed to work well for me in season 2 and 3

[nocturne pilot]

yeah seems if i dont pull a correct pack fuckers leave

[sweet summit]

havent had a look at them this season but i assume dratnos still makes them so 👍

[nocturne pilot]

lol

[amber siren]

ya dratnos still posts them

[sweet summit]

@tame garden do i try it? 👀

[tame garden]

You need more than 1

[sweet summit]

how many do i need, master?

[tame garden]

Idk ask mwahi

[sweet summit]

but he doesnt wanna math it

[tame garden]

If we keep up the pressure he will have no choice

[sweet summit]

[brittle owl]

just bank it an slap multiples on when you get it

ez tc

[tame garden]

[amber siren]

math cyber bully

[marsh shuttle]

It' please to use avatar and then thunder clapping without gcd 😄

[tame garden]

[pallid lotus]

Just a question about that corruption, do it ticks the cd 0,5 sec faster?

[sweet summit]

yea, and with AM you get 150% the value for the duration of the proc

[pallid lotus]

I dont think I understand the am part? Does it ad to that value as well? Increasing the 1 sec AM removes to 1,5?

[sweet summit]

yea

if i understand you correctly

[pallid lotus]

Yeah sorry, Some trouble getting it out in text. Thanks 😊

[untold tulip]

is it better to run with fury azerite at 460 or prot azerite at 450

[tame garden]

Prot

[untold tulip]

ok, so in general azerite traits are more important than ~10 ilvl difference in stats?

[blazing gale]

yo guys which addon you use to copy items with stats here?

[sweet summit]

what does that mean

[tame garden]

Snipping tool

[blazing gale]

people link image of item with description

i dont think they do it in paint xD

[brisk ferry]

you can def do it in paint

PrtScn button

[tame garden]

Snipping tool

[blazing gale]

Ik but there is addon for something thank you

[tame garden]

Use snipping tool

[terse oasis]

win+shift+s

[rigid sinew]

not using snipping tool

[tame garden]

[terse oasis]

🐻

[blazing gale]

thank you win shit s what i needed 😄

[hoary dune]

@sweet summit so 1 thunderclap 3x bastion? And what would you take ideally for the last 2

[brisk ferry]

2x HoD

[tame garden]

Or 2x MS

[rigid sinew]

clockwork heart

[terse oasis]

2x something else 😛

1 IF can be good iirc

[sweet summit]

IF, BfI, MS, HoD, CwH

just anything thats not bloodsport xd

[sick sentinel]

Ideally?

[sweet summit]

HoD or MS

[sick sentinel]

Ideally you want 6 bastion traits

[sweet summit]

not sure whats better

[tame garden]

No

[sweet summit]

no

[sick sentinel]

Realistically you want 3

[tame garden]

Ideally you want 5

[sweet summit]

you need 1 dc

[tame garden]

And 1 dc

[sick sentinel]

Nah

[tame garden]

Yah

[sweet summit]

yah

[tame garden]

1st dc is worth more than a BoM

[sick sentinel]

Are there any pieces with swirling sands and non

Him

Non

B o m

[sweet summit]

chtraxxi

yeanah

[sick sentinel]

I think some world quest Azeroth has the drustvar crit trait and bom

[sweet summit]

yea

but 445 max

[sick sentinel]

What if you could stack it with swirling sands though

[edgy bone]

Hey guys what's our best DPS trinkets as prot, Torment and a Jar and what else? Vita shard?

[sweet summit]

Sim yo self

[edgy bone]

I dont have the items and dont wanna look up 5 codes

[tame garden]

Droptimizer

[edgy bone]

ok

[tame garden]

Or gear compare

Or look up sims on bloodmallet

[terse oasis]

just run torment + big red button

you'll be fine

[tame garden]

[sweet summit]

Button bad

[terse oasis]

😆

[edgy bone]

Wait guys what about the dragon scale from wrathion

That + torment gotta be decent

[sweet summit]

Scale is good

[tender spade]

Hey
For mythic +, what minor should essences should i use? I can see icy veins and wowhead says lucid dreams, aegis of the deep and conflict of strife, with wowhead also naming Strength of the warden. I dont PVP so i dont have more then rank 1 of conlict and strife, should i use rank 3 strength of the warden, or another instead?

[edgy bone]

ok cool i got mythic scale now all i need is torment

[sweet summit]

VoP major
Lucid/cns/sphere/aegis/void minors

If you have any 3 of these ^

U gucc

[ionic fern]

I'd use warden over void in m+

👀

[left hatch]

i wouldn't use void or strenghtunless you need the corruption res

[tender spade]

And the fact that i only get rank 1 of cns dosent matter?

[left hatch]

its probably not worth running

till at least r2

[ionic fern]

Just run lucid/aegis/warden then.:)

[left hatch]

without the duration increase you ca n't have 100% stack uptime

[tender spade]

Got it, thanks

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern Does Prot Warrior have an infograph like this?????https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/561041037674414080/687657507274883242/Essence-Cheat-Sheet-Season-4.png

[stark scroll]

@ionic fern surely depends on if you have anyone using cof? If your healers using cof then you're going to have massive uptime

[tame garden]

Touch of the everlasting

[undone sun]

[ionic fern]

We actually do @wooden radish

[undone sun]

nice

[woven venture]

For m+ I run VoP major, C&S, formless void, and then either lucid or sphere in the last one usually.

Though for stuff like freehold where I'm going to do giga pulls I run lucid major because it's fun.

[tired hawk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gsnWZ9tugsJBk4iZPAXzji
Hey guys, what would you pick ? TD3 (with the 455 ring) or clean a haste vers ring 470 ?

idk if 1.5k dps is that much important instead of survivability with more haste/vers

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern that's terrorism.

[terse oasis]

TD always

unless you have it somewhere else

[ionic fern]

Vandalism*

😦

[terse oasis]

plagiarism

[tame garden]

[sterile shale]

whats the best food for prot??

[tame garden]

!Tom

[terse oasis]

I like mozzarella sticks, or a good cheese burger

[chilly brook]

@sterile shale whats the best stat for prot?

[plush prism]

man, why don't people just answer questions for new people instead of playing games. it's haste food

but a feast is fine too if your raid is doing it, don't waste gold if you don't need to

[sterile shale]

idm the jokes i asked another prot in my guild and he met me with the same answer 😉

thanks anyways

[tame garden]

Arent we all here to play games

World of warcraft is a game

[rigid sinew]

sympathy and cooperation

[mental scarab]

You eat the food thats CHHHHEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAP

😈

mastery food ftw

And gem enchant hast for the rest

@ionic fern pin this pls

[tame garden]

Ye mastery food literally 1-2g each on my realm

😋

[mental scarab]

🥳🥳

[plush prism]

hahahahahhaa

[mental scarab]

If i feal spicy i eat crit food

Only necrotic week dho

Im like a ninja dodging all that crap

[rigid sinew]

bring back bear tartare

[mental scarab]

Speedy boi

[tame garden]

🐻 👍

[mental scarab]

😂

[plush prism]

ngl full heroic looks amazing this tier

the tentacles and the tentacle ponytail are killer and the moving eyeball on the shield rules

[tame garden]

Ye I love the helm

[plush prism]

it's awesome, i love shaking it around lol

[upbeat orbit]

yeah plate got lucky

i just feel bad for leather

i got that 470 mace last night

[sullen valve]

@ionic fern i looked at your guide for prot warrior essences and it says vop for everything but top keys use lucid? Why is this?

[ionic fern]

[terse oasis]

it's explained in the pins 😛

tl;dr- you wont take enough damage, or use the rage right

[sullen valve]

(don't worry Zea im fucking with him)

[terse oasis]

oh okay

bwahah

[vagrant arrow]

Reckless flurry works on prot right?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[vagrant arrow]

havent seen on meter weird i got 2x

ok seen it now 🙂

[toxic wadi]

How do you guys hold aggro at the beginning of the pull?

Trash pack pull.

[sweet summit]

clap

[spiral mason]

Clap clap and more clap

[sweet summit]

its skittish this week so eager dps players will grab aggro

just let them die and tell them to hold for a few seconds lmfao

[tame garden]

Make sure your opener is correct

[chilly brook]

@plush prism cuz playing games is fun

[tame garden]

Avatar charge clap demo clap slam clap

[chilly brook]

And most people do answer pretty directly

[toxic wadi]

So our opener is: avatar, charge, clap, shield block?

[chilly brook]

At the end of the day any food is better than no food, and can largely be influenced by content i.e. there is an argument for crit food in m+. Yes haste is generally going to be your go to for stats in general but that would have been answered by simply looking at #268491842637660160

[tame garden]

No it's what I posted

[toxic wadi]

Really? No blocking?

[tame garden]

Avatar, charge + shield block, clap, demo shout, clap

[toxic wadi]

Oh ok

[mortal brook]

Sb not on gcd

[deft vessel]

hi dudes, what bracers would you use, I really....really dislike the stupid mechagon bracers...but mind flay....... what do

[toxic wadi]

Got it

[tame garden]

Ye sorry the block was implied

You wanna keep up block always

[sullen valve]

Brown class bad just like speg

[tame garden]

Green class bad

[toxic wadi]

Should we use demo shout on cooldown?

[tame garden]

Yep

[terse oasis]

more or les yeah

[chilly brook]

Always

[terse oasis]

don't over cap rage, dont waste it on shit about to die

[chilly brook]

Dont hold cooldowns as prot

[deft vessel]

also...because healing increase... would the 475 bracers be better for pure tankyness cus of ignore pain scaling?

[chilly brook]

Period

[undone sun]

crit healing

ip can't crit

[chilly brook]

What thyme said

Also don't count on increases to IP to be worth more than your general DPS increase items

[distant crystal]

crit dmg/healing might be the worst tank corruption

[deft vessel]

oh duh, nevermind

[distant crystal]

our crits aren't big

[chilly brook]

IP is a smoothing mechanic not your main mitigation

[deft vessel]

yeah, crit scales ok-ish in M+ but yeah

I really don't like the dnag mechagon bracers

-.-

[distant crystal]

crit rating yeah

crit dmg% no

[deft vessel]

I've macro-ed them to thunder clap lol

lazy, I know, i don't know how to optimize their use

perhaps better to macro to mitigation

(perhaps the aforementioned ignore pain)

[distant crystal]

macroing items to off-gcd abilities

can be wonky

[undone sun]

will be wonky

do not macro mitigation

with anything else

[deft vessel]

hm, right

[distant crystal]

i macro /cancelaura Blessing of Protection with shield block :p

[deft vessel]

lol

so...any advice for optimizing for the bracers then?

or is my "macro to thunderclap" approach good-enough lol

[brisk ferry]

are the wrists your only corruption?

[deft vessel]

no

well

the only wrists

at 33 with ym current corruptions

[brisk ferry]

I would cleanse the 475 and use those

ah nevermind than

[deft vessel]

sims put the mechagon bracers with mind flay 1.3k dps ahead on singel target, and the other crit ones are only 300 dps ahead on aoe

soooo meh

probably have to stick with the mechagon bracers

[rotund sluice]

can anyone explain why the generic simulationcraft profile that bloodmallet uses includes azerite pieces with irrelevent dps azerite traits?

apparently those standard profiles are managed by discords like this

[ionic fern]

Which "irrelevant DPS azerite traits"?

[rotund sluice]

2x reckless fury

and 0 BoMs

[left hatch]

why is reckless fury irrelevent lmfao

its one of the best ST dps traits

[tame garden]

Keep in mind bloodmallet is only concerned with dps

[inland silo]

those profiles are simming for damage

reckless fury is max damage

[rotund sluice]

i guess i'm just a bit surprised that BoM wasn't chosen over reckless fury

even tho its more of an aoe trait

[left hatch]

its not about choosing its just what sims better

[ionic fern]

I am responsible for the profile.

[left hatch]

for damage purposes only

[tame garden]

Mwahi you're in trouble

🚓

[ionic fern]

And the profile is aimed for max ST dps.

That setup is the highest simming setup for the "default profile" for t25

[left hatch]

keep in mind too that bloodmallet is also more of a guideline, since sims are very unique to your character/gear/etc

[ionic fern]

^