protection

[amber siren]

[rose furnace]

please

[spice yacht]

and I am SQUISHY AS FUCK

[rose furnace]

tmog yourgear

[spice yacht]

I get DELETED

[rose furnace]

It's the tmog

[spice yacht]

like I do good dps

[amber siren]

that tmog is cute get out hater

[spice yacht]

this is tos 14

overall

but I take too much damage

[rose furnace]

Uhh

[spice yacht]

is my stat priority fucked or something?

[rose furnace]

Could be your tier 1-2 essences

[tame garden]

Do u press your buttons

[spice yacht]

does it really matter that much tho

[amber siren]

gemming and enchanting vers?

[spice yacht]

I try too keep up block

[rose furnace]

You want haste

[spice yacht]

well what should I

[rose furnace]

More haste=more block

[spice yacht]

okay

[rose furnace]

more block=less damage

[tame garden]

Dont try to keep it up

Do keep it up

[spice yacht]

well pulls sometimes take so fucking long

I go trough 2 charges

last stand

and 3 more

and Im fucked

[amber siren]

if sb goes off, you get out

dont facetank without block

[spice yacht]

okay

[tame garden]

Dont just facetank with nothing up

[spice yacht]

also I checked out some higher prot warriors and my haste didnt seem so low

[tame garden]

U will die

[spice yacht]

thats why i gemmed vers

[tame garden]

If ur not gemming haste it should be crit

Not vers

[spice yacht]

so I should just gem haste and get essences?

[tame garden]

Ye

[spice yacht]

aight

lets hope I wont have to get back to you

thanks for the help

essences are right ones tho?

[amber siren]

sphere of sup isnt great

[spice yacht]

I thought it helps a lot with magic damage

it was often used last tier

I mean now that Im grinding

might as well grind correct ones

[tame garden]

Sphere minor is good

Wdym

Free haste

[amber siren]

yeah true

[tame garden]

I cant see essences on mobile

[spice yacht]

vop major

[amber siren]

vision major, sphere, CnS, warden

[spice yacht]

sphere c&s and warden

zeah

[tame garden]

Ye that's fine

Lucid sphere conflict aegis all good minors

[amber siren]

your gear outside some minor things looks fine tbh, enchant your weapon as well if you havent already

hard to say anything else without seeing you play

[spice yacht]

allright

thanks a lot guys

[full furnace]

!essence

!essences

good effort

[sweet summit]

for m+ VoP major with lucid/cns/sphere/void minors

for raid cof/VoP major null/lucid/vop/cns/void minors

[full furnace]

ty my dude

[crisp zinc]

how good is the vita/void combo trinkets?

or is it better to use vita and barnacle for st

[carmine nymph]

Vita is the best paired with another trink like jes or the one from maut in my opinion

[south lantern]

Would you use your bonus rolls on wrathion as top priority?

[crisp zinc]

ok ty nasty

[south lantern]

Also where can I get a good 1h?

The 1h from wrathion looks to be good

But carapace seems bis

[strong forum]

Depends on availability

Ofc carapace is bis cuz it's 10ilvl higher

But wrathion without the corruption is as good as it gets outside of carapace or weekly chest luck

[mental scarab]

Corruption is free dmg 😈😈

[rose furnace]

Do I run Devastator on every boss in Ny'alotha?

[sweet summit]

you run BV on bosses that are not shadhar tbh

[rose furnace]

Checking warcraft logs

It's devastator on all bosses

[stark scroll]

Are you trying to perform well or cheese logs for dps

[chilly brook]

Unless you're parsing you run BV

That's true for every fight in every raid

[sick sentinel]

Tbh a lot of people are running BV regardless and they aren’t terribly underperforming dps wise compared to devastator

I run BV in raid because I am lazy as shit and parsing doesn’t matter with corruption

[chilly brook]

WCL is literally just a measurement of how well you parsed not how well you mitigated you have to dig into the log for that

That being said if you're not having any issues and your healers aren't struggling no reason not to go deva

So legit question does anyone, and by anyone I mean any class, actually use the corruption effect of the weapons from nyalotha?

[sweet summit]

nzoth one

twoahanver

[chilly brook]

Is that the dps one or the tank one? Been a hot minute since I've logged in

[near ivy]

two hander r3 TD

raden fist wep

[sleek tide]

i use the one from carapace on my warlock the inf stars r2

[near ivy]

infinite stars caster

[left hatch]

the % int mace on healers also pretty good for at least 1/2 of them

[chilly brook]

I just know that the prot one from wrathion is typically cleansed

[sick sentinel]

It’s not bad

It just

Isn’t good

[chilly brook]

Well

[sick sentinel]

It’s better than no corruption

And if you can afford the corruption and don’t have something better it becomes usable

But yes In general other corruptions are better

[chilly brook]

I suppose it's very perspective based

Better than nothing but so is having a 110ilvl weapon if you didn't have one to begin with

[velvet maple]

Does anyone know how different ranks of echoing void behave?

[sleek tide]

as far as the % of health is deals each rank?

it*

[velvet maple]

Sorry, didn't specify my question. If you have different ranks equiped

[sick sentinel]

Performs the same, damage is amplified

Similar to TD

[velvet maple]

Oh cool 🙂

[sick sentinel]

As far as I know

@chilly brook all I am saying is don’t just cleanse it because a lot of people do. It isn’t bad by any means. It just doesn’t perform as well as a lot of corruptions

[solid crystal]

Hey guys kinda new to prot war was doing a 15 kr last night and got chunked by the mob right before king. Wondering if there is a strat to take less or just cycle cds for it as its magic dmg

[velvet maple]

Cycle CDs, don't use shield block, dump all rage in Ignore Pain

[solid crystal]

Im assume kr is one of the harder dungeons as a prot war due to bleeds and casters after 2nd boss

[sleek tide]

and pray your dps kills it before it kills you 🙂

[random vine]

is engi helm any good for warrior tanks?

[velvet maple]

It is, Reht, cause you can take the azerite traits that cleanses bleeds

[random vine]

@velvet maple thx

[solid crystal]

Ye i was dumping in ignore i died right by the end still though. In 460 didnt think i would get so chunked in kr but being fort with those bleeds and magic is probably pretty shit for warrior i guess

[ionic fern]

It's pretty horrible for all tanks tbh.

But yes - definitely one of the worst dungeons on fort/teeming.

[solid crystal]

I used to play guardian druid. They have a few more cycleable cds for magic. Where as prot really excells with physical due to blocks/last stand cycle

So just gotta get used to that thanks for the info makes me feel a bit better haha

[ruby nexus]

The pack after 2nd boss fucks ass(es)

and wiping on 3rd boss is just brutal with that long rung back

[solid crystal]

Yeah it was rough for me. We did fine on 3rd but that pack was nasty

We rooted one and losd them to corner. Ended up pulling the big dude due to root at the end

[near ivy]

really fun mechanic that they give you a pillar to skip the guardian on the bridge

then put you back at the start of the dungeon without any skip

super cool that there isnt a graveyard at 2nd boss

[solid crystal]

Mage we had was a sperg though. Pulling extras all the time like kr mobs arent hard enough

We actually killed the guardian on bridge and skipped the 2 beserkers above 3rd boss

[ruby nexus]

the fun mechanic is that if you kill the guardian and skip the pack before 3rd boss, the skip flies you to that pack

[solid crystal]

Teeming just sucks. Throws off % and some dungeons its real shit like AD

Where teeming can spawn either side

[maiden ravine]

Then there's others like workshop which are fun on teeming

[mortal brook]

1 extra spider tank. free affix

[solid crystal]

Yeah true that

[ruby nexus]

KR and AD are shit with teeming, dunno about others

[solid crystal]

Whats JY like with teeming? Im yet to even do a JY would be good for my io

[maiden ravine]

ToS isn't bad except one single pack

[solid crystal]

The dervishes?

Still handalable. Not as bad as the KR pack but shit

[maiden ravine]

Yeah, dervishes are spicy if healer isn't on the ball

[solid crystal]

And dps dont move haga

[maiden ravine]

Precious little I can do to make that pull easy

[solid crystal]

Demon hunters cough

"Couldn't move was eye beaming"

[maiden ravine]

At least some of their stuff doesn't count as moving anymore

Imagine their dance moving quaking haha

[solid crystal]

Oh dude that woyld suck

The dh last night was dashing into me every quaking i swear so retarded

[ruby nexus]

dance isn't moving?

[solid crystal]

Not with quaking

Stays centralised

[ruby nexus]

could have sworn it was spawning puddles in horrific vision, or then the DH was just trolling

[maiden ravine]

It might there

I know it increases poison stacks on last boss in td

Or did

[ruby nexus]

so it is moving, and probably also spawnin puddles in visions too

[maiden ravine]

It's a weird ability

[ruby nexus]

weird and op

but DHs need it, how else would they stay alive without it

[solid crystal]

Maybe their 600%leech haha

[maiden ravine]

Too me the easiest keys this week are WS and ToS

Not sure what else would be easy

ML sucks as always

Siege has a ton of trash

Junkyard you have the buffs at least

[sick sentinel]

ws is ass

tos is eh

Best is JY

ML is super easy

UR is easiest

[maiden ravine]

ML is just so much trash

[sick sentinel]

doesn't matter

still the easier timed keys

[maiden ravine]

There's a reason it has such a long timer haha

[sick sentinel]

and that's the reason why it's easy

[maiden ravine]

I still haven't timed one over 5 this season, and I've tried

I have an untimed 15 so no reason trying for anything lower than 14

How is JY better than WS this week?

I'll have to give an underrot a shot tomorrow

If it's not bad maybe it'll be my third 15

[inland silo]

workshop is super easy, just boring

[sick sentinel]

I'm talking in a high key point

WS is awful

compared to others

JY is extremely easy

the higher the key, the more the zap bots do

and it carrys you

it's just live

basically

[maiden ravine]

Ah, okay. I'm a pleb who only cares about 15s and a 15 ws is a joke this week

Yet timing 15s is still enough to make me like top 5% of the playerbase haha

[sick sentinel]

🤔

[strong forum]

youre already top 1%

[ruby nexus]

ML is super easy

[strong forum]

arguing which key is harder than the other is pointless, everybody has preferences

not to mention if youre not doing the same keys

with different experiences

[maiden ravine]

I think I might have timed a 14 ml if we didn't get stuck in combat

[strong forum]

every ML ive touched ( 3 in total ) this season has been +2

its so good now

[maiden ravine]

I've done like 6 above 10 and not one has timed yet

[strong forum]

rip

[maiden ravine]

I hate the place

[strong forum]

once youre used to it

[inland silo]

whats your route tho

[strong forum]

its so much fun

[inland silo]

do you pull all the mobs in the circle before first boss

[strong forum]

literally, once you know your shit, ML is heaven

[maiden ravine]

Basically trying to be 80% before second boss

[ruby nexus]

All in all ML and WM are both dungeons that I feel there's plenty of time. Like you can even screw up a couple of times and still time it (15s range)

[maiden ravine]

But we're still past 3 chest point then

[strong forum]

you want to be 91% or smth when doing 2nd boss

[maiden ravine]

Maybe I haven't done it with good dps yet

[strong forum]

then its literally just pillar, into boss, into pillar into boss

[maiden ravine]

91% is probably overkill since you have at least 1 pull at each ob

[strong forum]

80 is defo not enough, i can tell you that much

and its not alot of % on those pillars

[maiden ravine]

Most groups I see do 2 packs by third pillar, and a bit around 4th

It's somewhere between 80-85

[strong forum]

you do 1 pack at 3rd, and 2 snipers + machine and mechanic at 4th

the absolute minimum required there cuz the packs suck

[ruby nexus]

That's what I try to do too

[strong forum]

but, like ive said, only been in there 3 times total this season

[maiden ravine]

Yeah, so it's probably 85% before second boss

[strong forum]

and by no means an expert in routing

we just outgear shit by miles

[maiden ravine]

I just can't get the trash killed fast

It takes my groups 20 minutes to get to second boss

[strong forum]

pull bigger / smarter

idk

[maiden ravine]

And azerokk is a slog fight

[strong forum]

azerokk is a bitch on tyr

[sharp night]

azerokk is easy

[maiden ravine]

It's long on fort evem

[strong forum]

giga timesink

for no reason

[sharp night]

have everybody

stay in the shadow realm

[strong forum]

other than being annoying

[sharp night]

except you

and hten you go pull

and more of the adds naturally fixate you instead of your dps

so they naturally group and everybody gets to blast

[strong forum]

im not saying hes hard

im saying hes a pointless meatshield

that does nothing

[sharp night]

and then they're dead in 10 seconds and then it's just hitting a target dummy after that

[strong forum]

such a pointless fight

[maiden ravine]

We'd be tankier than them with the bleeds too

[sharp night]

only time i've seen it take long

[maiden ravine]

I'll do that next time

[inland silo]

i mean they get grouped anyway unless you have brainless ranged just running around

[sharp night]

is when they all target random people

and they all run in different directions

and the mobs spread out and nobody can cleave

[strong forum]

he still has 40mil+ HP

or well 60mil

on tyr

[maiden ravine]

Fixate takes out a melee dps every time for me

[ruby nexus]

60 mil and the boss does nothing, dying to boredom

[sharp night]

i think you're thinking of some other boss because azerokk on 18 fort only has 21.73m lol

[strong forum]

im talking tyr

fort is w/e

[sharp night]

he has the lowest hp of any boss in ml actually

[strong forum]

ye but other bosses actually do smth

azerokk is just sleep

[sharp night]

lol

yeah but it's not 40m, let alone 60

unless you're doing like 25s or something

[strong forum]

feels like 60mil

[solid crystal]

What are ideal tanking trinks for us right now?

Im using a rezans gleaming eye and jes' howler as its all I've come across

Are miti trinkets better

[strong forum]

vita/dragonscale/rezan/psychic shell/gore block

[sick sentinel]

n'zoth trinket is the best one you can get

[strong forum]

thats about all the useful trinkets imo

[solid crystal]

Which one kyothi

[sick sentinel]

Psychic shell

[strong forum]

psychic shell

[solid crystal]

Id be best using phsychic and rezans then?

My rezans only a 465 though

[strong forum]

i mean yeah

what else would it be unless you get giga lucky

kek

[solid crystal]

Ihahaha true. Got it titanforged from a 10 in s2 on my dk. Was super lucky haha

Never touched dk again rip

[sick sentinel]

vita is the best trinket dps wise

Vita + Psychic shell

is the best combo wise

The dream

[solid crystal]

Awesome thanks mate :D

Ill use some rolls this week on them in heroic

Wouldnt mind wrathion wep :/ wont drop for me the fucker

[strong forum]

vita 📈

[novel temple]

What’s the meta looking like for the upcoming mdi?

[strong forum]

prot / dk / dh / rogue / mw or pally

[solid crystal]

Saw gingi is running with a mw monk which i thought was weird

Thought druid/pal were top

[strong forum]

theyre running MW when they need shadowmeld

[ruby nexus]

How's hc torment in m+? Compared to trinkets mentioned

[novel temple]

Why pally? I thought glimmer got nerfed?

[strong forum]

torment is best dps trinket

pally does insane dps

[solid crystal]

Yeah pally is retardedly strong offensively

[novel temple]

For real? Since when?

[strong forum]

glimmer got nerfed, but pally is still strongest healer in the game

[solid crystal]

Has good defensive cds too

[strong forum]

pally does insane dps since all of bfa

my guy

[novel temple]

Oof

[solid crystal]

I had a holy pal do 65k overall 2 nights ago

Running double devastation

Insanity

Sorry it was 55k

They were big packs in fh but still crazy

[strong forum]

druid somehow fell out of meta with less requirement of utility off of it

and pally pumping more dps with good burst healing

[sick sentinel]

and utility for stuff

[solid crystal]

Yeah my mate healed a 12 last night in 405 gear no neck level or back

Hpal

[strong forum]

MW became better with new haste build and also being able to pump good dps

[solid crystal]

Seem so strong

He mains rdruid now wants to go hpal haha

[strong forum]

i also wanna go hpal

but essences

and catchup

<.<

hpal seems so fun with just blasting big dick deeps

[solid crystal]

Yeah man blizzard have made alts unfucking playable

I started my war 2 weeks ago

Grinding essences can get fucked

Perfection. Nullification dynamo and shit. Highly needed essences and so much time consumption

Dunno why rep doesnt go account wide

Did it all on my druid and cbf again honestly

[strong forum]

cuz blizz rather wants you to spend more time, rather than enjoy spent time

they want you to play as much as possible

for some reason

[solid crystal]

And another thing -farming rep for flying mounts is dumb. Bring back 5k flying imo

[strong forum]

i mean technically you dont need to farm rep

if youve never stopped

thats what you have 2 patches for

[solid crystal]

I stopped playimg during battle of draz

And came back a couple weeks ago

So annoying getting rep in naz and mech

I have it now but still shitty

[strong forum]

true

thats disgusting

having to do mecha and nazj now

for no reason other than flying

[solid crystal]

And i did it all on druid

Swapped to war now i have to do it all again

For essences

Kms

Legit playing with r1 essences atm haha

[strong forum]

thankfully most essences are easy and fast to get and useful at r1

vop/lucid/sphere/aegis

you can all get them in like 1 day

and already do decent

[solid crystal]

Yeah lucid is hard af to level up

Think thats the follower in naj rep

And i really cant be assed after working all day

[strong forum]

lucid is already good at r1

so no rush

[solid crystal]

Yeah i gotta work out whats best for me

[strong forum]

not like this patch matters in ANY way

[solid crystal]

How important is nullification dynamo for keys

[strong forum]

not really

[solid crystal]

Cause im not using it atm

[strong forum]

it really isnt of high importance

[solid crystal]

Is vop what reduces cd of av?

[strong forum]

ye

the minor off it

[solid crystal]

Yeah using that in major i think

Is that wrong?

[strong forum]

ye thats the recommended major

[solid crystal]

Ah cool

[strong forum]

theres a pin in this channel

to explain some essence uses n stuff

[solid crystal]

Im new to all this shit cause like the back and essnces and shit werent around when i stopped for a year

I like the essence idea. Makes it feel like you can play a class how u want again

Instead of sort of having the one cookie cutter spec / play style

[strong forum]

well essences have some impact on your performance

but its no insane difference

compared to dps

most of your dps and survivability comes from proper play, rather than proper essence use

they only help you the form of secondaries most of the time

[solid crystal]

Yeah for sure man

But just a little bit of variation is nice again

[sick sentinel]

just did a freehold, lucid is amazing

[strong forum]

ye tried it in FH this week too

pretty fun

[novel temple]

Oh yeah, are we now using leech corrupted gear too?

And I saw the MW haste build from the talent change

Looks cool af

[warm plinth]

No, we are not using leech corrupted gear now

[novel temple]

So just lucid?

On select dungeons where you can use it to the best effect?

[warm plinth]

We don't use Lucid for the leech btw

There's a pin about Lucid and some other essences that's worth a read if you're not sure about the use of some of them.

[novel temple]

It’s in the pins

[robust bronze]

wich one think is better?

[distant crystal]

disc imo

[rose furnace]

Speed

Nyoom

For tanking bosses in the raid the tentacle is probably better damage

[copper lion]

will the adds die if i spell reflect on blood of the corruptor?

in m+

[warm plinth]

I don't think they die, but they take damage

[copper lion]

do i have to go down by myself?

then the grp?

to spell refelct?

reflect

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[foggy fractal]

Hello! So I’ve recently began pushing 16-17 keys on my warrior in prot spec and I want to push myself further. General advice seems to have soaked up well and I could do with a specialised opinion for pushing higher content. What is it that I’m lacking in gear-wise?

https://raider.io/characters/eu/argent-dawn/Hiamah

[left hatch]

good corruptions

running fang in high keys is a big risk because channeling prevents blocking

ablative and crystaline carapace are shit

[analog zinc]

brought my scuffed ass dk thru a heroic run & went from 446-458 lmao

r8 my parses

[left hatch]

like.. yo'ure giving up UF for Crystaline carapace

literally one of our best middle row traits for one of the worst

id try to get DC on a diff piece asap because you're missing out on MS by taking it on shoulders

and i wouldn't run Strengh of the warden unless your group is all running passiveshit like VoP

[foggy fractal]

Alright, I'll play around with it and mess about with my gear.

[left hatch]

Formless is much better in most cases

[foggy fractal]

Oo - good! I have that one

[left hatch]

and the only time its not if you have sub 25-30% uptime

[warped moth]

are powder shots from Eudora in FH intervene-able?

[left hatch]

you're also missing CnS

which isn't mandatory but

its basically the best minor in the game

[foggy fractal]

I gotta get that rank 3. It's still only r2

What would you reccomend as a good trinket replacement if I wanna replace the fang? It's 475 so a huge stat increase, but as you say it's super risky.

[left hatch]

Butchers Block, Rezans, Vita

Psychic shell if you go much higher is a niche pick too

[foggy fractal]

Oo, I happen to have all three. 460 butcher and rezan

[left hatch]

torment if you comfortable and want more dps

id probably go butchers and vita

[mortal brook]

or just use fang and set up for its use. its solid dmg

[left hatch]

yeh you gotta stun into it its use

[foggy fractal]

So shockwave -> fang?

[left hatch]

yup

[foggy fractal]

Alright, awesome.

Would an Iron Fortress + Bastion Chest at 465 be better than my Harpooner's Plate Cuirass? Iron Fortress + Brace for Impact at 480

In terms of survivability + damage

Also, would it be better I stack 1+2 deafening crashes, or would I be better picking up Iron Fortress in one piece? I have the pads and helm from Heroic N'zoth and Cara that I've only used for fury thusfar

[sick sentinel]

Iron/ brce is way better

and stacking DC isn't good

[opaque rover]

Hey everyone, just returned to WoW after taking a break at the end of Eternal Palace. Does anyone have tips on soloing visions as prot? Currently at cloak level 5 ilvl 446, can reliably do one Tier 2 zone, probably both (did not try after the upgrade).

[amber siren]

learn what mobs you can safely pull big with and which ones you cant, avoid as many sanity drain mechanics as you can, maybe buy some of the vision food (2% HP regen would be good if youre running a bit lower ilvl)

the biggest things will just cloak rank, getting elite extermination and gift of the titans

[opaque rover]

Yeah, I looked through the upgrade tree and elite extermination looks really promising. Shame I still need to dump three more levels in the chest detection, would prefer to spend them on sanity cap increase instead. As for health, I do not drop low in visions yet, although dunno what would be in T3 areas.

[amber siren]

if youre not having any issue with the damage then even the 20% movement increase can shave some time off

the chest one seems kinda bad but it adds a lot of mementos to your run so you'll get the next ranks faster

[warm plinth]

@opaque rover Make sure you only go down 1 side on the top and then go straight for Elite Extermination

You want to get Gift as fast as possible; go back for the rest later

Elite and Gift are what make higher runs possible

[lime locust]

Is there a trinket spreadsheet floating around? The icy veins and wowhead guides disagree with one another.

I guess it doesn’t super matter since I’m only getting Razdunk’s button and lfr vitas, but it’d be nice to have some target to go for

[opaque rover]

As for now I have the following upgrades: the initial one with orbs, the damage increase and reduction and the one the resurrects you with 500 sanity if you die or run out of sanity.

[iron raptor]

what CS % are you guys running

[sick sentinel]

Prot doesn’t typically target specific % for stats

Prioritize ilvl > haste > Crit/verse depending on content

[onyx vessel]

Dmg increase stats

Crit does basically nothing defensive

More parry

[sick sentinel]

parry scales extremely well with m+ dungeons

theres a reason why it's nice on physical orientated dungeons and necrotic

[left hatch]

theres a reason its the 2nd best stat in M+ lol

[sick sentinel]

Parry is like

[left hatch]

parry is VERY strong

[sick sentinel]

parrys can literally save you from being one shot with mitigation in higher keys

The opposite of nothing

[left hatch]

it literally deletes damage

its as potent as dodge

[sick sentinel]

Potent

Excellent word choice

It's more potent than dodge and block

just lower %

There is some truth coming out rn

[ionic fern]

RNG is never a good thing for tanks tho so shouldn't rely on it.

[sick sentinel]

This is world of Warcraft mwahi

[sharp night]

parry isn't more potent than dodge o_o

[sick sentinel]

RNG is everything

[sharp night]

dodge is the strongest avoidance

[amber siren]

thats why we stack agi

duh

[hallow phoenix]

sometimes i use an agility dagger in raids

agi confirmed best stat

[nimble mauve]

how do you guys feel about using 460 azerite raid pieces with BoM + HoD over 475 mythic+ vendor pieces? say you have a 475 piece with BoM and a misc other trait, and then a 460 raid piece with BoM + HoD, would you guys pick the 460 over the 475?

[ionic fern]

No.

[sick sentinel]

475 is better all around

[nimble mauve]

okay, i was looking at the amount of secondaries you get, i didnt know if the secondaries were worth the decrease in ilvl

[modern brook]

Doesnt compete with str stan and atmor

[nimble mauve]

gotcha

[modern brook]

Ans also the scaling on everything as apart of it

[nimble mauve]

got it. thanks for the input my dudes! i appreciate it greatly

[plush prism]

Has anyone done any duo visions? My friend plays Fury and I'm wondering if that would be a good combo

[ionic fern]

@lime locust there is no "trinket spreadsheet" going around afaik.
What trinkets are your concerns?

[amber siren]

assuming equal skill level should be easier tbh, damage intake usually isnt the concern just dodging the sanity drains

harder part will be not dropping the burning bridges puddle on top of each other if youre using that mask

[onyx vessel]

Stacks crit over mastery/vers

No rng mitigation vs rng more dmg

Ofc crit is good to pump

Them revenge resets

[amber siren]

[onyx vessel]

Prot warrior dmg is best stat

Take less dmg if the mobs dead

👍

[amber siren]

kill mods

[onyx vessel]

Maybe

Prob just late

I fixed it

[last wharf]

Hey yall, would you run double haste trinkets (vita + dragonscale -- both 460) or vita + sigil of warding?

also both 460

[amber siren]

sigil isnt that hot, i'd use the 2 haste trinkets

[sick sentinel]

Imagine

Having

A

vita

Reeeeeeee

[ionic fern]

Not sure for what context but in general Warding is pretty underwhelming due to the CD of it unless you need it for some specific part that would otherwise kill you.
In general i'd also run Vita/Dragonscale.

[sick sentinel]

WTB vita

vita is rip

[last wharf]

Vita + Scale it is.

Thanks gents.

And yeah, I was looking at the CD on Sigil and was thinking... "Eh..."

[left hatch]

even cds of a similar nature that are better

like psychic shell

have a pretty niche use

unless you know you need it to survive particular instances of burst damage (like certain tank busters)

[sick sentinel]

All you guys and your fancy trinkets

[left hatch]

and i mean NEED it to survive

and know you'll be using it roughly on cd

then the stat trinkets are better for you

and will overall mitigate more damage, and provide better damage smoothing than the absorb cd would

[last wharf]

I got speed on my dragonscale too.

Yeeeesss

[sick sentinel]

https://prnt.sc/rdm8n3

just have so much corruption you one shot stuff

:4head:

[last wharf]

rofl

[sick sentinel]

The part of that that is the most cancer

Is

The snare

[left hatch]

def not hte teleporting TBF that spawns an eye bigger than the entire instance that ticks for 100k per

thats easily manageble 😄

[sick sentinel]

But

Does it troll you like the snare

The answer is no

[left hatch]

honestly i barely realize the snare

avatar clears are realllllly fucking nice

[sick sentinel]

I rarely realize

But when I do

Oh boy do I get angry

[left hatch]

worst possible moment

intercept and leap down

need to get outta tankbuster nzoth add circle

gg

[sick sentinel]

Nothing will trigger me more than mage quarter in stormwind vision though

[ionic fern]

Psychic shell is goooooood.

[sick sentinel]

That is where wow almost becomes uninstalled

[left hatch]

i havn't done any visions this week because i hate it so much

just pooled for org

[sick sentinel]

I did enough to get my upgrade

That is it

[left hatch]

the rank can wait :3

for me

[sick sentinel]

For everyone

Pointless rank

I just hate running so many to get my upgrade before raid on Tuesday

https://prnt.sc/rdmbp6

ez pz

[plush prism]

lmfao

[ebon hound]

The 42 resistance is doing its best, ok?

[amber siren]

unequip cloak 😡

[plush prism]

^

[last wharf]

I'm behind on my cloak on my main cause I don't wanna lose the 2x Heart of Darkness I got going

[hallow phoenix]

Legendary cloak vs t3 TD cloak go

[left hatch]

imagine getting that from a M0 or wq

lmfao

im sure its happened

[hallow phoenix]

I think I'd sim

And do whatever sims highest

Join the 79 corruption club

[opaque rover]

The virgin BfA cloak vs Chad pandacloak.

[hallow phoenix]

They should've just added corruption resistance to neck instead of invalidating all existing cloaks on m+ loot tables

Do they even drop anymore in m+

[left hatch]

no

[opaque rover]

That would be a really asshole move if they do.

[left hatch]

only 'modern' sources of cloaks are M0 and WQ's

anything higher its removed

[hallow phoenix]

Which can still corrupt :(

[opaque rover]

Raids before Ny'Alotha?

[hallow phoenix]

No corruption from those at least

[left hatch]

not current content

that shit can still TF lmfao

[hallow phoenix]

I got some guildies that still do mythic EP for trinkets

[brittle owl]

coral and font still pump

[left hatch]

i need to pug on my DH for a coral

[hallow phoenix]

Inkpod too

[left hatch]

big oof

[hallow phoenix]

I think I'll keep rolling prot loot spec for weekly cache just in case a shield or weapon drops with nice corruption

Feels worse than titanforging

[maiden ravine]

Yeah, the mage district sucks due to those tumors

[left hatch]

i like the tumors

free things to charge to

[maiden ravine]

The first week we get it without lead feet will make it feel like a joke

We can already cheese Umbric with a toy

[hallow phoenix]

Just save five masks for org

[maiden ravine]

You need both eventually

[hallow phoenix]

Never >:(

[amber siren]

my favourite is when the circle of illusions proc in the narrow alleyways and you cant do anything but stand there

[maiden ravine]

But imagine mage district without lead feet, you just run to the summoner

[amber siren]

🙂

https://www.twitch.tv/jdotb/clip/MistyPleasantPeafowlVoteYea?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

[maiden ravine]

I lost a vessel because I couldn't get out of combat

You stay in combat for like 5 seconds after you kill a tumor

Feels bad when you want to play a mage but hate pugging

She's my last char to do m+ this week unless I get bored tomorrow and play the priest

Oh wait, gotta cap conquest too

Well at least I'm off work and no gym tomorrow

[rustic spear]

Im a bit uneducated, and now curios haha, what toy is used to cheese Umbric and how? @maiden ravine

[strange tide]

I’ve heard you can use the golden banana

That wasn’t some weird flirting, apparently if you throw your golden banana toy at the guys feet it breaks his cast

[brisk rain]

Is there any way to deal with magic dmg other than ignore pain?

Because on +19 or higher i find myself melting from magic casts that people miss to interrupt

[sweet summit]

Shield wall
Demo shout
Spell reflect
Stop the cast

[ebon hound]

^stun, stun, fear, los

[nimble cosmos]

^yell at the dps if all of these run out

[amber siren]

null dynamo is good if youre struggling

as a minor*

[sweet summit]

Null can help

[analog oyster]

What are good proffesions for a warrior tank in M+?

[sweet summit]

Proffesions doesnt matter too much rn. Only one that can have a direct impact is engi for the battle ress, but as a tank battleressing is spooky

[analog oyster]

Blacksmith might be a good option I quess?

[sweet summit]

Its good if you dont have high ilvl/good corruption legs and/or belt

Engi also gives a 480 helmet with DC

[dawn jasper]

Blacksmith also gives keys(?) which can be handy now that we're not reliant on rogues

[brisk rain]

Battle ressing a healer on +18 is when your heart skips few beats xD

[keen tendon]

Sup bois. Gotta a question: Do you think there is an amount of haste after which you just don't want to go for haste?

[strong forum]

Around 100%

[brisk rain]

Over 9000,

[keen tendon]

So if i go full haste im literally gucci?:D

[strong forum]

Ye

[keen tendon]

Like i run 33% atm + 2x expedient + haste proc trinkets from 1 boss and raden + 2x overwhelming 😄

[sweet summit]

Never enough haste

[keen tendon]

sweeet

[strong forum]

I sense a lack of TD

[stone lodge]

but really is that good advice ? having total 300+% haste is not really optimizing :/ other stats matter also quit considerably.

[sweet summit]

I think 250% haste is where you can have 100% uptime on shield block without last stand? So that is when i stop stacking haste

[strong forum]

There's no real downside to stacking haste zosef, continuous uptime of 300% haste is not a thing, not even 100%+ is.

It's out best stat for the reason of cycling through rage and thus through CDs, increasing both defensive and offensive value

[stone lodge]

having haste procs i have no issue with but sitting at 50% haste and then on top of that having 300% haste procs (obv. an imaginary number) i think is overkill in terms of haste

[strong forum]

There's no feasible overkill on haste

There just isn't

[stone lodge]

id rather sit at 20-24%haste (rads thinks thats enough for 20+ keys) and then also have other haste procs whenever

i know there isnt

but id rather have vers and crit also 😉

[strong forum]

Rads doesn't think that's enough, that's just the number required to have 3x SB back to back

On opener

That's all there is to it

That's the minimum haste with 1 ITF to get 3x SB, nothing more, nothing less

[stone lodge]

ok so basically go max haste ?

[strong forum]

Yes

You can sim if you want to maximise dps, and it'll tell you in some cases to go crit.

But general rule is max haste

Even if you have 2.5k haste already, you can't do wrong with haste, it'll never be bad

[stone lodge]

i have to re-evaluate then:P cause i stopped using mecha rings with haste cause i was sitting at like 40% haste 😮

[strong forum]

Mecha rings with sockets are absolute bis

If you get the haste proc

Ton of haste, Ton of crit

[stone lodge]

il consider myself lucky then ! cheers

[warm ridge]

Considering the value of haste, should we be socketing all gem slots with haste gems or is icy-veins right, str gems first then haste after?

[sweet summit]

Str gems are not wrong

[paper lion]

!wa

[sweet summit]

#ui-addons-manager ?

[uneven fern]

Just get 200% versatility, easy

[sweet summit]

This tbh

[strong forum]

That's the real goal

The one and only true breakpoint

It's an ingenious plan.
Eye of corruption and thing can't hurt you if you can't take dmg, so corruption levels don't matter either!

[inland cove]

anyone have gunker spell reflect clip by any chance ❤️ ?

[sick spindle]

I know you can spell reflect the 3 minislimes ground effect. Can you reflect the similar gunker groundeffect too?

[graceful pine]

Do many here run above 40 corruption in high keys? I have TD3 and 475 wrathion wep, considering running with 45 corruption next cloak upgrade with the 2 of them

[sick spindle]

It can be fine. Personally I prefer <40. But for the one week I'd run 45, since by next reset you'll be on 39 with that combination

When your cloak hits 15, you can start increasing corruption res. by 3 each week. So bringing 45 down to 39 should be easy enough.

[steep wraith]

I prefer to stay below 40 but it's not too bad running above that as long as you use the tools to have to deal with thing from beyond, and don't need them for any mechanics in the dungeon itself, or don't care if you get hit by it.

[strong forum]

Running above 40 is all about your own comfort

9/10 you can reflect it

[rigid sinew]

i run 58 ez

[strong forum]

Or use the cloak in dicey situations

Has never been as issue so far

[steep wraith]

I find the size of the eye and the slow to be a lot worse than thing from beyond

[strong forum]

Ye defo

[tame garden]

The slow

Fucks

[steep wraith]

I'm running 48 now as I have 2x TD rank 2

[wind garden]

Some of your corruption is going to depend upon the group too. If you’re running with people who can’t dps, that’s going to significantly increase the number of tfb’s you have to deal with.

[steep wraith]

So I feel that's worth the extra corruption, but I'm looking forward to dropping below 40 again with the same setup

[modern brook]

I run below 40 because theres nothing i have that feels like its worth going above 40 for

my corruption sucks tho

[plush pagoda]

ive been at 49 for a while now not having any problems you can just reflect

[hallow phoenix]

On xanesh our strategy is to have me do first soccer and cotank do second soccer group. From what I recall last week this lead to me already having 2 stacks when cotank goes to play soccer.

I might be misremembering though. Is it fine to have a tank in back-to-back groups or do stacks get fucky?

[amber siren]

back to back will have stack issues

[hallow phoenix]

That's what I thought, thanks. Think it's fine to go to three with an external?

[tame garden]

Maybe just swap on 3 stacks for the first

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah

[tame garden]

Yes 3 is fine

Tanked 3 with nothing up on my bear when I ripped agro on our kill

Should be completely fine if you plan for it

[hallow phoenix]

Her hit isn't blockable and I hate it

Anything with the word "strike" in it should be blockable

[mortal brook]

nah cuz strike is all the pins going down so its unblockable

🎳

[amber siren]

[hallow phoenix]

[tame garden]

[sick sentinel]

How do you guys handle spirit breaker ad? I tend to SR/DS one then just make sure ignore pain is up for others and kite, saving SW for trash. This is in 15-17s

[hallow phoenix]

I don't think SR does anything?

In 18s I'm fine with just demo+IP

I'll SW if I'm not healthy for some reason

Just make sure you have block for all his melees cause it's the increased damage taken that will getcha

[sick sentinel]

Do you kite the debuff/just IP the last casts? Someone told me it was magic damage week 1 and I've just been doing it instinctively lol

[hallow phoenix]

I only ever kite him if I'm skipping trash with him (or getting out of aids at the start)

[analog zinc]

Yo does anyone know if Crit is still the best stat defensively for blood dks? I'd ask in Acherus but I want actual accurate information

[hallow phoenix]

An IP should be more than enough. If you're concerned though I see nothing wrong with rotating cooldowns (demo, sw, LS) until you're more comfortable with the damage

It's one big hit and then nothing until the next big hit

Vers should be their best stat..

[analog zinc]

@sick sentinel its not magic dmg but its unblockable so you basically treat it as if it were magic

[hallow phoenix]

Pretty sure vers has been bdks best stat for a while now

[analog zinc]

Nah crit was bis pre-8.3

Idk how long its been best before then but

[hallow phoenix]

Was vers in 8.1 so idk what I missed

[analog zinc]

Purely for reducing ehrps crit was better mathmatically

[hallow phoenix]

I know it's still highest ilvl so I doubt it matters too much

[tame garden]

Treat it as if it was magic

Except you dont spell reflect it

[hallow phoenix]

I don't know any bdks I can ask though lol

[strong forum]

Ripping aggro as bear

That's a yikes from me

[hallow phoenix]

I ripped with devastator damage once

[tame garden]

Ripping agro as any tank is yikes

[hallow phoenix]

...

[strong forum]

I do that so often in pugs it's horrifying

[hallow phoenix]

Some people do not understand pressing buttons

[strong forum]

Pugs really go full turtle

In hc

And do 15k dps

[hallow phoenix]

Like I was literally just autoing

[strong forum]

.....

[tame garden]

Ye the problem is my cotank

Goes full turtle

While I go full dps

[mortal brook]

sometimes you're an LFD sera tankadin. they're a vop/glut vdh. you're just meant to rip

[strong forum]

Imagine going full turtle 2 months into the tier

[analog zinc]

I was offtanking Vex with no corruption while the main tank had tier 6 twilight dev

[strong forum]

LAMO

[tame garden]

The guy plays azeroths undying gift always

Every boss

[mortal brook]

ew

[tame garden]

Even in heroic

[strong forum]

Yell at him

[mortal brook]

ewwww

[strong forum]

Laugh at him

And lemme guess, he also dies more often

[hallow phoenix]

Like why

[tame garden]

Yes he dies more

Takes more healing

[strong forum]

Nice tank

[tame garden]

Loses agro

[hallow phoenix]

Just solo tank

[tame garden]

:)

[analog zinc]

Taunt -> proc td & lose threat
Death grip -> proc td & lose threat
Taunt -> proc td & lose threat
He literally was top dps in like a 10% scuffed wipe doing 85k as veng

[hallow phoenix]

Sounds like you need TD

[analog zinc]

I got devastation hour last night :]

[wild kayak]

just get TD

[warm plinth]

You’re a devastation hour

[strong forum]

Devastation hour is 2h weapon tho

Since when are you a dk

[analog zinc]

Also tusks you were right I asked mandl & he said vers was the best stat. Crit is often 2nd best, I mixed it up because crit was competing with mast for "best stat other than vers"

[hallow phoenix]

Oh I had to also convince one of our bdk offtanks to not use vision major because the potential buff to TD isnt worth as much as just using cof

[strong forum]

Lamo what

Vop major

What

[hallow phoenix]

Yes

[strong forum]

LooooOOOO

[hallow phoenix]

"imagine if vamp blood procs and I get a TD proc"

[tame garden]

[strong forum]

if

[hallow phoenix]

Vamp blood proc is 3 seconds

[strong forum]

Nice 30% boost you get once in a raid night

Totally worth

If at all

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah...

He normally dpses though tank thank god

[strong forum]

Tank god here ama

[hallow phoenix]

Lmao

[analog zinc]

Vop major for veng is a dps loss over cruc

Why the FUCK would it be better for blood lmfaoo

[hallow phoenix]

Because thinking about all the cool procs that can line up for one 30% larger hit is fun to think about instead of just doing more damage or something

[analog zinc]

Cruc synergizes so well with bdk too

Its a VERY haste avoidant class so they have so many fucking holes in the rotation

[hallow phoenix]

How's that? Costs no runes?

Why is haste bad

[warm plinth]

Yikes BDK avoids haste now?

[analog zinc]

Yeah haste sucks real bad

[warm plinth]

Glad I’m not playing that then. BDK feels like shit at low haste

[hallow phoenix]

I remember valuing haste after vers :(

[analog zinc]

It was good when ppl were taking the talenf in legion that made your bone shield consume double charges

Just because you needed a ton of haste to keep bone shield up

But now you need like 6% to have a "smooth" rotation

[hallow phoenix]

BDK was one of those very fun specs to play once you got in the zone and everything just felt smooth

[warm plinth]

Yeah I couldn’t play a tank spec that had gaps in the rotation personally

[analog zinc]

Mhm yea i cleared heroic & I did have lots of fun at times

[hallow phoenix]

But alts are dead to me

[analog zinc]

I hope the spec is great in shadowlands because i wanna main it then

[strong forum]

I wanted to get up bdk for 8.3 cuz it seems fun

[mortal brook]

mastery isnt 2nd best stat. it doesnt boost TD dmg

[strong forum]

Then the essences neck level struck

[hallow phoenix]

^^^^

[analog zinc]

@mortal brook true

Mast sucks

Low dmg, about equal to crit on pure phys profiles but still worse than vers

Haste may suck defensively but i'm pretty sure its solid for dmg

[hallow phoenix]

Does bdk still use CoF in m+ or is it meme beam with void major

[mortal brook]

cof still the default. memebeam would work fine

[sacred bear]

do you have to be 10/12 Heroic or mythic to pick up the Raid skip quest? Or do you just have to be in an instance at carapace?

[strange chasm]

hello fast q. in workshop 1s boss pummeler do you also have problem with droping agro ?

[hushed cobalt]

Taunt on cd and hammer throw kite to hammer.

[strange chasm]

i mean my problem is only on pull i try drop both bosses on same hammer

]

but pummeler alwast drop liek 2-4 sec after pull

[hushed cobalt]

Takes 99% reduced damage so healer is grabbing threat

Have your group stack with you on pull, line the car up to run into the wall under hammer

(Tell your group this before putting key in)

[strange chasm]

not always is onlyt 13/14

[warm plinth]

You don't want to drop both bosses on the same hammer anyway

You want to leave one of the close hammers for your group to keep the other boss in

And you use the other 3 for pummeler

[naive panther]

Yeah healer always gets aggro just wait to taunt. Then dump into him then get to a hammer.

[hushed cobalt]

And here I thought there were only 3 hammers

[warm plinth]

Nope, there's 4 of them altogether!

[hushed cobalt]

Adding hasn't been a strong suit of mine

[strong forum]

@sacred bear you just have to be there at carapace I think

[sacred bear]

thank you

now the real question
if i zone into mythic carapace, pick up the quest and not accept the lockout
will that work? and keep my lockout fresh

[strong forum]

That would be big brain play

But no idea tbh

[tame garden]

200iq

But not rly

Saves you 1 week I guess

[strong forum]

Myeh, by the time you can get all the materials you're at carapace anyway

[hushed cobalt]

Besides telling dps that they'll die, how do I keep aggro on tank buster obelisk and leap away? I feel that trying to face tank him in the slowing-dot lumps usually means death

[strong forum]

Taunt + throw?

That's enough

[mortal brook]

let them die. its an important lesson

[warm plinth]

^ this tbh

[strong forum]

Idk how people can lose aggro

Taunt + throw does 16x aggro

[hushed cobalt]

I aim to ss+tc+taunt+leap and throw
Then someone dies, like a fury (bote+a free rampages)

[strong forum]

All you do, is literally zone in, taunt + SS + TC > leap > throw taunt spam

Always does the trick for me

But I guess my dps don't go idiot autism spam

[hushed cobalt]

Hm I've been taunting after a few casts. But should taunt before

[warm plinth]

Daily reminder that wowA is good for prot warriors and that Leap resets Taunt CD

[strong forum]

You should always taunt first global!!

[outer dew]

Only hammering I need is from @warm plinth

😉

[warm plinth]

Awww yiss

[strong forum]

Cuz you do 4x threat during taunt buff

[warm plinth]

❤️

[strong forum]

I feel like people forget that taunt generates extra aggro during debuff

[tame garden]

[hushed cobalt]

That's the information I needed! Tanks!

I do forget about extra threat gen

[outer dew]

@warm plinth has 4x threat to my heart

😉

[mortal brook]

[strong forum]

Sounds unhealthy

[hushed cobalt]

Your poor aorta

[sick sentinel]

Horny police here 🚔 put your hands up

[amber siren]

i have no emote for this

[tame garden]

I do but outside emotes not allowed

[mortal brook]

RooCop

[terse oasis]

orly?

[exotic spoke]

Roobulli

[outer dew]

@warm plinth you got some horn on your knees or you happy to see me?

[brisk rain]

is urchin good now?

[strong forum]

It was good in EP

Now not as good but still relatively usable if you absolutely need a defensive trinket and if it's 445+

[mortal brook]

Loses value the higher you go. Pretty easy to hit its ceiling

[strong forum]

Well it's easier to hit its max value now, cuz higher dmg intake

[brisk rain]

ok

[strong forum]

But before 20s it's not very useful, just like last season

[brisk rain]

so, haste trinkets?

[strong forum]

Ye

[brisk rain]

ok

got rezan and mythic wrathion, guess ill stay with it 😄

[strong forum]

Urchins max cap is 4k hps (obv higher if you stack versa) , which isn't alot anymore compared to healthpool

[mortal brook]

Haste trinkets like vita offer nice value yeh. Cant go wrong with better am uptime

[limpid pawn]

Heroic throw does 4x aggro by itself?

[short bear]

Do I want to stack as much haste as possible right?

[limpid pawn]

Yes

[strong forum]

Yes, heroic throw has a 4x threat multiplier

And so does taunt

[limpid pawn]

That 16x threat 😯😯😯😯

[strong forum]

Yes

[short bear]

Should I drop td rank 3 for 12% haste+12%crit+racing pulse rank 3?

[strong forum]

No

Nothing beats TD

[short bear]

I just wanna stay below 40 corruption

I feel weak af with more

[strong forum]

Well TD3 is below 40 corruption

[limpid pawn]

TD is more important than the air you breath

[tame garden]

Well that's a different question

[strong forum]

TD 3 is 75 cloak gives you 42

[tame garden]

Td is always better but if you dont wanna play with TFB then dont

[strong forum]

That's 33, if you use essence 23

[limpid pawn]

Any of you guys use ineffable truth

[short bear]

Yep using mind flay rank 1

For the 10 corruption up to 33

[strong forum]

So it's still fine

[short bear]

Next week I will use 12% haste I think

[strong forum]

Ye

[short bear]

And will have to cleanse my 465 weapon with 6% vers (hurts)

[strong forum]

Eh, there's worse stuff to cleanse

🤷

[short bear]

I have a 465 with racing pulse rank 3

[strong forum]

I cleansed EV3 off of my 475 boots

[short bear]

I also have a nice rank 2 EV on a siege ring

But too much corruption

I think that would destroy packs

+TD rank 3 of course

[strong forum]

I'm running TD2 and EV2 cuz it Sims highest

And I don't have td3

[short bear]

I don’t have td rank 2, just rank 1

[strong forum]

But I'd use that + expedient3 or smth

[short bear]

Should sim anyways

[strong forum]

Well use TD 3 + TD 1 then

That's an easy choice

That's worth even going above 40

[short bear]

Should check cause on big pulls I suffer it

[strong forum]

Mh...

Thing doesn't really hurt tho, most times you can just reflect it

Or stun it

[short bear]

Sometimes I use SR for KR for example and then I don’t have it for a big hit before 1st boss

[strong forum]

You can always use cloak too

[short bear]

I’m not the best obviously so that’s why I prefer to run safe sometimes

[strong forum]

Ye obv

If you're not comfortable then don't

[short bear]

Should try it out

Maybe next week

I mean sometimes you get two TFB and get completely destroyed

[tame garden]

You have spell reflect/stormbolt/shockwave/fear/cloak to deal with them

[tired hawk]

Hello, I'd like to know if you guys prefer stacking as much haste as posible, or when around 1.5k you go for crit ?

[sweet summit]

Ilvl>haste>crit for m+

You never stop going for haste on equal ilvl gear

[strong forum]

^

[tired hawk]

hm

I was wondering bc I saw on logs prot warriors going for crit enchants/gems

[tame garden]

Hm

[tired hawk]

I guess it's only to dps ?

[strong forum]

That's for parsing

And necrotic week maybe

[sweet summit]

Going for parses this tier is kinda cringe

[strong forum]

Yea..

I checked the top vdh log on wrathion

[sweet summit]

Oh?

[strong forum]

Low and behold it was 31k dps from TD

[tired hawk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jkTUsMBK5pJjS18JKxSdFC and what about that 470 ring ? is it still worth instead of 465 haste/vers ? (don't pay attention to this sim)

[strong forum]

He got 7 procs in 2minutes

[sweet summit]

[tame garden]