And one of them is a lot easier to get.
#protection
hallow phoenix
Might be my stats but it simmed a good hundred or so higher than vex chest when I compared
Not sure if my guild is going to vex or drest after xanesh
I would like both chests though because greedy
maiden ravine
Now, I doooo kinda hate that the shield from Nya comes from Ilgynoth haha
I'll likely never kill him on mythic
maiden ravine
I could totally tank a 15 right now with a good healer
hallow phoenix
Mwahi how do kraken shoulders and mechagon shoulders compare to the Skitra ones defensively?
hallow phoenix
I guess I'm asking about hod vs clock vs MS
hallow phoenix
Plus you're a tank lol
ionic fern
@hallow phoenix
This is with default T25 profile.
strong forum
It's better than most kyle
ionic fern
The "25 Prot warrior" = Raden chest.
sharp night
this week is probably the most fun i've had so far after only doing 2 keys so far
maiden ravine
Well yeah
sharp night
did a ml and ur
maiden ravine
it's pump week for dps
nothing really that challenging, just a ton of trash to kill
strong forum
Can't wait to pump this week as arms
Got a massive change in gear from last week
Should do like 30% more dmg
maiden ravine
making me wanna do a dungeon, but I need to be sleeping, oof
sharp night
if i get a workshop key i'm gonna try pulling all the trash after 2nd boss in 1 pull
and see who's fast enough at hiding ๐
er
between first and second rather
maiden ravine
oh that's evil
but go for it
I've been telling people to pull all those packs anyways and just kill a single mob after the last boss
so you can skip the jumpers
cause I hate the jumpers
sharp night
jumpers?
hallow phoenix
@ionic fern
maiden ravine
whichever mob does the aoe jumping before last boss
sharp night
oh the short out from the defense bots
hallow phoenix
why on earth is there a huge difference on mine
hallow phoenix
maiden ravine
sometimes they live beyond the shields being there
hallow phoenix
here's the full report
maiden ravine
it's safer to just skip for plebs
sharp night
stop killing the defenders first ๐
shield has 100% uptime
as long as defenders are alive
maiden ravine
but you can choose to kill all the slimes, and then after king, kill a single mechanic instead of them. ๐
sharp night
yeah but you have to do the whole pull which is still dangerous lol
maiden ravine
for like 5 seconds
strong forum
That's some fatty gear
sharp night
i'd just pull one of the patrols onto the double defender pack at the bottom of the pack
strong forum
But IS
sharp night
guess it depends how fast people can burn 1 mob
sharp night
yeah, but cleaving off a bot that you're focusing while killing 4 other mobs
vs just killing 1 mob
mental scarab
@maiden ravine we did that part on bursting week by me pulling all the mobs to the right just before boss root/cc dps kill them and immun the aoe and i leap speed pot to africa to avoid the aoe
Fun asf and saved alot of time
maiden ravine
Sounds better than Vince's "LETS SEE THE DPS SURVIVE THIS!!!!" idea. ๐
sharp night
i mean if they have immunities sure lol
does leap speed pot actually get you over 100 yds away in time
i guess if you're gone before they even start casting explode
hallow phoenix
That's just how gear compare did it...
I dunno
Does it being upside down make the 500 DPS difference 
ionic fern
No, but it was amusing & confusing at first .
ionic fern
BUT - run w/e sims highest for you. There's bound to be some differences between people due to gear/stats etc.
hallow phoenix
Yes
maiden ravine
Bleh
maiden ravine
I noticed with the fire breath
I really wanna try to 5 mask this week
I think if I buy an autohammer I might be able to
Alleria sucks as melee
hallow phoenix
What does the auto hammer do
maiden ravine
It does the same as the racing flag
hallow phoenix
Which does what
maiden ravine
You'll only have to do the Umbric phase once
hallow phoenix
...
hallow phoenix
The what
sharp night
as long as it places something in the world
maiden ravine
Toy train set even?
hallow phoenix
Which is her umbric phase
maiden ravine
I mean Umbric in general
hallow phoenix
Oh is that the caster boss
sharp night
yeah
hallow phoenix
Where do you place the toy
maiden ravine
I'm a bit scared of shaw with Daredevil
hallow phoenix
That's amazing
sharp night
to one of the teleport spots
on the left/right of him
he teleports onto it
and then it instantly cancels the frozen whatever
and he runs towards you
maiden ravine
Could you theoretically do it with 2 toys?
sharp night
sure
maiden ravine
But that probably doesn't save any time
maiden ravine
So just one then okay
stark ruin
and only kick the poly
maiden ravine
Oof, taking the entropic with Daredevil
stark ruin
and then you have bladestorm + leap to quickly do the one phase you must do
strong forum
Anything that can count as a unit will interrupt umbrics thingy
flint cliff
alright gear advice needed
hallow phoenix
Shoot
flint cliff
ive currently got a 460 humming black dragonscale and a 460 socketed vita
hallow phoenix
Vitaaaaa
opaque dune
is Rank 3 EV still good for M+?
hallow phoenix
I would use the two raid trinks
maiden ravine
@opaque dune good for sure, not op, but very solid still
opaque dune
Cheers
hallow phoenix
All three are good but scale has more consistency and Vita has a huge budget and shares with the party
maiden ravine
Td3 will be more damage overall, but EV is close I think
hallow phoenix
TD crushes EV
maiden ravine
Better than is for mythic at least
hallow phoenix
Last I checked
amber siren
TD is much stronger than EV
maiden ravine
I miss good ev. I liked it being consistent
sharp night
yeah EV doesn't come anywhere near TD lol, even in ST TD comes out slightly ahead
hallow phoenix
Abe needs to add how much extra DPS BV adds in a fight
Yeah I grab adds and tank them right next to maut
Kept him in shout/clap range
ionic fern
How much DPS did you do?
hallow phoenix
54k
hallow phoenix
Link log >:(
hallow phoenix
Fuck me I need to be the boss tank
ionic fern
๐
hallow phoenix
All the top boys are on boss
ionic fern
Ofc.
ionic fern
Don't worry - i'm doing most b*tch duties as well on literally every boss possible.
Inc running Wrathion
And playing football on Xanesh
hallow phoenix
Yepppp
I didn't even get to tank kazoo
Was put on tetris
On wrathion we've been warlock gating to him so no running involved
Which I really like
Gate -> leap gets me in position
ionic fern
Jep, we as well.
In position to soak and debuff the pillars tho. ๐ข
We need a pepecry.
๐
hallow phoenix
Does your cotank pick up all 4 assassins
hallow phoenix
The lucker
hallow phoenix
You should alternate weekly
ionic fern
Don't think we're clearing that anymore unfortunately.
hallow phoenix
That's what I gotta convince my new cotank to do
ionic fern
Think we're extending now.
hallow phoenix
This next week we're getting a new tank so I'm sure I'll be getting all the short stick assignments again
But next NEXT week it'll be clap time
ionic fern
๐
ionic fern
Deflect.
hallow phoenix
Ah so you can run though it
ionic fern
hidden plaza
how does mdt work with teeming does it take it into account for % im confused ๐ฆ
stark ruin
Swap to the correct week
You'll see the teeming packs and correct count as well
So yes
hidden plaza
did FH and was way under % have it set to teeming week
hidden plaza
I had to
sick sentinel
You probably didnt have the event set up correctly
With mdt
So was counting mobs that weren't actually there
hidden plaza
affixes #8
sage path
Would be nice if DPS meters tracked spell reflect damage without extra scripts for it.
sweet summit
Nah, casuals would complain about it being broken and blizz would nerf it 
sweet summit
No
sweet summit
tame garden
Prot does enough damage without spell reflecting for millions
tame garden
sweet summit
sharp night
@hidden plaza if you just created a new mdt "route" thing and had it autoselect teeming, it gets bugged. you need to select a different week and then select the current week again for it to show the correct mobs/count
sweet summit
Stat% doesnt matter
high sierra
wat
tough turret
problom is that i have two rings with EV3 and severe 2. that is like alot of mast
sweet summit
Mast isnt bad
sick sentinel
it's not bad
tough turret
i have td2
high sierra
no but more seriously
high sierra
depends on what's your problem
tough turret
more dmg:D
high sierra
if you're tanking in M+ without problem you'll just need more ilvl
well more ilvl then
tough turret
more dmg easyer life
high sierra
get more TD
sweet summit
You can kinda sim for damage
high sierra
more crit if you have the same ilvl
tough turret
but do u rly feel that EV3 is bad. i think its not bad
sweet summit
All stats are really close
tough turret
does alot of dps overall in a dung
sweet summit
EV isnt bad
mental scarab
EV do like 6%+ dmg for me at rank 3 and 471 ivl eq
sharp night
EV is decent, it's just that it's not TD
mental scarab
Free dmg is good dmg
tough turret
what about ur TD
mental scarab
True
tough turret
if u got iut?
sharp night
TD3 should be doing like 30%+ if you are pulling decent size
tough turret
can i also ask what trinkth do u guys use in m+ normaly i use jar and drest trinkth
tough turret
but latly ihave been thinking of going vial
sharp night
even though it doesn't read like it
sharp night
what trinkets do you have
sweet summit
Vial is only good if you know how to use it
sweet summit
Ye prob down to 25% now
sweet summit
@tough turret do you know how to use vial?
tough turret
kinda
tame garden
If td3 doing 30% then clap more
tough turret
is it somthing speiseal with using vial
tough turret
dont u pop avatar.then vial
sweet summit
No
tame garden
Avatar clap demo vial clap
sweet summit
Avatar-ckap-demo-vial+clap-ss-clap etc
sweet summit
And for the love of god do not macro it to anything
tough turret
is it a reason for that?
sweet summit
You waste an entire gcd
tough turret
aa
sharp night
vial starts off strong in the first gcd when it's used and depletes very quickly
sweet summit
Vial is only good for like 3-4 gcds
tough turret
i c
sharp night
so if you macro it you are wasting ticks of it
sweet summit
If you waste one of them might as well use another trinket
tough turret
but i lines up pretty good with avatar
sweet summit
Ive found it hard to line them up with vop and am in the picture
tough turret
rosjen can u maybe tell me why so many tanks use fang?
tame garden
It doesnt line up that good
sweet summit
Blood dk uses it
sweet summit
I guess havoc also uses fang now lmfao
sharp night
some dps meme with it
because it's actually stupid
it's the only trinket in the game with uncapped aoe
everything else is capped
tame garden
Fang damage is nutty in big aoe
sweet summit
Yea
tough turret
like i have a 460. but i think i can do more dmg without it
tough turret
what trinlth do u guys pref for m+?
ebon hound
slightly unrelated, it seems like the dmg increase from Warden benefits Fang
tough turret
have been rolling for vita for weeks
ebon hound
which gives it a niche use
marble cipher
I'm using vita+Wrathion, cause no 465/475 rezan yet...
tough turret
i got a atal 15 . i am praying for rezan
sweet summit
Atal lowkey monka this week
tough turret
what u mean?
tough turret
yah some hard grps
marble cipher
It's ok though, just not the best week
tough turret
dont think its trhat bad
sweet summit
2 "packs" are rng spawn
tough turret
but i am only doing 12-15keys
tame garden
Atal worst teeming key
sweet summit
Worse than KR teeming
tough turret
i hate KR
tame garden
Kr also garbage on teeming
sick sentinel
Yo, I just got a Lingering Sporepods 460 with socket is it any good? I am using Humming 445 with socket and 445 vita atm.
craggy harness
There is no Zul
tame garden
On beta teeming kr had 2 zuls
marble cipher
sick sentinel
Yeah okay thanks xD
warm ridge
tough turret
what u guys think of anmia as major this week ?
tough turret
๐
sweet summit
Outside of islands i guess
craggy harness
tries to remember what anima is
tough turret
aoe
tough turret
dmg of % healt and heals
sweet summit
Big poop essence
tough turret
2
sweet summit
Ripple lowkey better than anima in islands ๐ณ
tame garden
Imagine having ripple
sweet summit
This tbh
onyx vessel
Achievements
tame garden
tame garden
Yep
tame garden
Hehe
sweet summit
might go for it if im ever bored enough
tame garden
Gl with that
craggy harness
hmm speaking of levelling my lock, assaults seemed easier at 110 than at 115
sweet summit
Probsbly why, yea
craggy harness
forgot, i had the locks 4p2p
that slowly scaled out
i guess
walked into 3 death captains sitting pretty
i think other problem is, this assault has kill 1 rares
which i didn't have last time
royal rune
Quick q: should I cleanse Searing flames on my 475 faralos?
sweet summit
Depends
craggy harness
how much corruption do you have on you
sweet summit
What do you have?
craggy harness
and are you comfortable with it?
formal crane
Hello there, quick question, I just did a ToS, as warrior tank, I pulled first boss, He targeted a DH dps with cyclone strike, I moved with reflect and died like a retard. We pulled it again, same shit : is it fixed? I'm 100% sure the ability wasn't targeted on me initially
ebon hound
Did you get zapped
royal rune
I'm on 58 corruption
tame garden
If u have logs we can see what happened for sure @formal crane
formal crane
I did not get zap neither
sturdy valve
I'm pretty sure that's fixed since season 3, can't reflect anymore
sweet summit
Did you move as he casted it
tame garden
No lol
sweet summit
No, ive done it multiple times this season
formal crane
I did it last week yeah, I'm pretty sure I didn't move neither but I can be wrong
Twice in a row would be weird, but possible
formal crane
I don't have logs ๐ฆ
sweet summit
Hmmm
I gotta test this when i get home
tame garden
You will never regret logging
sweet summit
Sounds weird
tame garden
You will regret not logging
sweet summit
^^^
royal rune
Is abalative shielding a decent defensive trait on the third ring
Or heed my call better for dps in mythics
sweet summit
Hmc is better
royal rune
K
sweet summit
Dont think you ever take a tank trait on the tier 3 trait row
Cant think of any good ones
royal rune
Intimidating presence?
sweet summit
Vs what?
royal rune
Or resounding prot
sweet summit
Resounding 100%
royal rune
Kk
mental scarab
Yea VR trait is crap now on explosive weeks when the orbs dont proc VR ๐
sweet summit
Intimidating presence is the fear one where mobs deal x less damage after being feared
Bury the Hatchet is the VR one
autumn pendant
Yea since its flat dmg it is kinda ehhhh rn
If it reduced % of dmg done for few sec it would be really something
sweet summit
Can see that. Dont know if i like using a disrupt on cd just for some dr, but yea
autumn pendant
Well it would have extra use
I mean even now its not horrible, just at higher keys that shield does nothing basically
sweet summit
True
high sierra
and once again no mythic urchin, god damn ๐ฆ
will surely need it in higher keys with those low hps healers
sweet summit
^
high sierra
say that to my last 17k hps restodruid in FH 13
sick sentinel
hps doesn't mean anything
high sierra
when I see myself go down slowly without being able to regen I thought it would be good to regen a bit
sick sentinel
I can beat overall hps against an hpal/rdruid
just because people don't need healing
spamming heals isn't always good
high sierra
I mean I can understand if I take damage I shouldn't
but sometimes I'm just running with the obelisk behind me
and my hp stays at 50% for 20sec
high sierra
until I stop running
shield block
and my life don't go up again
sometimes I have to use big cds on small packs
just because the healer is trying too hard to dps
sick spindle
Quick question that I can't seem to find. Somebody mentioned an auto-logger addon. I'd love to start logging my M+ runs, but I'm very sure I'll forget to start and upload every time. There's an app for that?
tame garden
ERT
Or loggerhead
I think that's what its called
I just use ert since you should already have that
wooden radish
royal rune
Hey guys.what would you cleanse 88 corr.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/nagrand/phรคtboy
sick spindle
Thanks @tame garden
uncut pumice
Faralos i think @royal rune
terse oasis
exrt only starts the logs, you still need to upload them after
and be careful, if you log everything (like i do) you'll end up with several gig log files after a few days
wide cosmos
have a question please.. Ablative shielding vs Unstable Flames vs Heed my call?
tame garden
Unstable flames
wide cosmos
just for damage? what about shielding for surv?
sick spindle
@terse oasis @tame garden Alright, there are no automagical uploaders? I just want to log all my +15 and up runs, and be able to review them seperately.
sick spindle
I'm going to forget 100%, so rather have something that saves it automatically and needs uploading after, then something I'd need to actively start before running.
tame garden
Yes
tame garden
Somewhere in the settings
terse oasis
you'll just have to upload the log after your m+ spree
tame garden
Also make sure you have advanced combat logging turned on
Somewhere in network settings
sick spindle
Cool, I'll look into that. Thanks!
amber siren
craggy harness
But youโll still have to delete the logs after uploading
Thatโs the careful part from before
Since you can only usually do that while out of game
sick spindle
Let's say I run 5 keys in a night. Is that safe to log in 1 file?
amber siren
yeah thats fine
sick spindle
Okay cool. Can you choose the folder where the logs will be saved? I'll just choose my desktop and will see it everytime I log off ^^
amber siren
you can make big combat logs if you forget, you'll just need to split them later if they get too big since WCL will refuse them
i dont think you can change the logging location
sick spindle
Aight, well let's hope for the best then ^^
craggy harness
You can make a symbolic link
To the logs folder though
So one click from desktop to them
amber siren
oh yeah thats true
tame garden
Warcraftlogs uploader
Asks if u wanna delete the log after you upload
Dont need to actually go yourself
craggy harness
Or convoluted way
Star docks has fences
For fenced areas on your desktop
For icons. But also you can make an area show a folder on your computer
tame garden
craggy harness
Ie: those log files lol
terse oasis
okay so.. setup a NAS, and then a cron job to sweep for the log file that you store on the nas, and if it's last modified date is more than 24 hours, it will automatically upload it to warcraft logs.. this is gonna require some rest requests so dust off the perl handbook...
or just do it like a normal fucking human
๐
speg are you in every tank discord? or just here and bear?
sick spindle
Hahahaha, thanks bois. I'll get a network specialist on the case!
copper lion
If Iโm chasing pulling in m+, whatโs more important to keep up, IP or Shield block?
Chain*
Or should I be using both
At same time
amber siren
^
copper lion
Like press on cd?
amber siren
only if you're actually taking physical damage
no point blocking if you leap away and aren't getting hit
copper lion
I mean Iโm trying to dos as much as possible
Dps
If I use shield block and IP it uses a lot of rage
warm plinth
Cast Shield Block.
If you have extra rage, will you need that extra rage for Shield Block when it expires? If no, cast Ignore Pain. If yes, wait for Shield Block.
I got those backward
๐
copper lion
Lol I was going to say...
warm plinth
I fixed it XD
That's basically how it is though. Like, the vast majority of your damage comes from using Demo/Avatar on CD and making sure to use Thunder Clap on CD
Or in ST, using TC on ST but prioritizing Shield Slam when available
copper lion
So basically donโt try to over use dps abilities other than dmg while in your dps cds?
warm plinth
You don't have to choose between DPS or survival
The only survival vs defensive choice you even make as a prot warrior is do I spend rage on IP or Revenge
In M+ AoE that's really a moot question because you have Revenge for free a lot
sick spindle
SB and IP aren't on GCD, so that shouldn't be a problem. Only Revenge is a rage-using dps ability (or am I missing something?), and you use that to not overcap on rage if SB and IP are already up (or when it procs for free)
copper lion
I guess I have been using revenge a lot then
tame garden
In aoe you'll basically always have free revenge procs
strong forum
You want to generate and spend as much rage as you can
To get CDs back faster
Prot warrior plays defensively by playing aggressively
copper lion
Is that what makes prot warrior op in m+?
strong forum
Block and their offensive capabilities coupled with spell reflect is what makes em so strong
They're not OP
They're just strong
terse oasis
they take very little damage
they do a lot of damage
spell reflect
it's higher skillcap than like.. druid or blood dk though
but all tanks seem to be easily able to hit 3k, which is more than most people are going to push anyways
strong forum
Our guardian druids goal is 3.5k score
Which is 21s across the board
So, easily doable
terse oasis
i've seen a VDH at 3200, a monk over 3k, warriors are pushing 4k but i think that's mostly because they have really solid groups they've been playing with for at least two seasons
copper lion
Not sure how people are timing 21s...I feel like my group lacks dmg or we pull very little
copper lion
How do I learn the skips, pulls, etc
strong forum
๐คท
Just means playing alot and min maxing dps / pulls / communication
As soon as you do the same key twice in the same week your 2nd run will be 100% smoother than the first one
copper lion
Like I hear people pulling the obelisk adds on final bosses
strong forum
Ye, we typically play last boss with 1 additional, mostly caster
strong forum
Blob / caster is okay
sick spindle
Mostly blob or caster. Blob depends on space. Caster can be pulled with almost everything.
strong forum
But tank buster or fear boi is muuuuuch more difficult
copper lion
Doesnโt blob still drop shit?
sick spindle
Except in SOB. Fuck SOB last boss lol. Caster will spawn on 2nd platform troll
sick spindle
Most bosses have plenty of room. Groundshit dissappears when it dies.
copper lion
How about last boss on undertow with blob?
terse oasis
spider is super easy to pull on almost any boss
copper lion
Underrot
terse oasis
as long as you're not rocking like 3 ranged kicks
tame garden
Blob with underrot is good
strong forum
In Underrot
ruby nexus
You are kiting anyway in underrot
strong forum
^
tame garden
We do blob or spider with last boss underrot
terse oasis
at least for me, in UR the pillars make sense to use since you can skip a lot of trash
tame garden
Depending on rotation
U rly dont need to do both pillars at the end
We just do 1
Getting to them is annoying anyways cuz worms and patting big guy
amber siren
wcm is another one you'll typically pull a pillar on with the last boss
tame garden
You should do it in most dungeons
Siege tol and shrine are the ones I dont
But siege is the only for sure I will never
Spider is prob fine with korgus
And maybe blob on shrine
terse oasis
I don't like doing pilars with boss in Tol
for UR the % just works out better for me to do all the pillars
sick spindle
WM and FH you practically always play interrupt guy with final boss, because those pilars don't rotate and are in shit positions. In UR i've never activated both final pilars tbh, but I can see a route where you do.
AD too, that pilar next to Vokaal is RIP, but that one rotates between blob and kick. Both being fine to take on the boss.
WM and AD have the tank focus on kicking the boss and your dps can rotate kicks on the add (always call for reflect if it targets you)
tame garden
๐
sick spindle
#nerfreanimatedhonorguards
austere storm
is there any kind of guide as to how to use one's tank CDs? ie what priority?
i try and get shield block up asap but i want to get demo shout on CD as well but then im stacking SB and DS and usually have IP running as well
i usually use last stand once my SB charges run out if I feel like IP won't cover it, but then that's like 30s that LS is not on CD either
can you tell im coming from a DPS background, trying to get everyone on CD :p
amber siren
be liberal with your cd's but don't waste them
warm plinth
Demo is used on CD as is Avatar. Last stand wonโt always be used on CD. If youโre using it for shield block coverage when needed, youโre doing it right.
amber siren
stacking sb and ds is fine
warm plinth
Use shield wall for block coverage if LS isnโt available or for periods of high damage you know are coming (e.g. Serrated Teeth on Rezan)
terse oasis
I prefer to stack IP's for rezan
but if you don't have time/rage to do that, yeah wall
also don't be shy with commanding shout, for yourself or anyone in your group
i still dont use it near as much as i should
(also it's a dps cooldown cause of TD technically... :P)
warm plinth
You canโt really stack IP. It caps at 1.3 casts
terse oasis
but you should be able to block/block/block/ls repeat, if you're staying in combat the whole time, but usually you've got down time for block charges
IP + rage to IP again
austere storm
hmm ok im glad im not totally off the mark
austere storm
and there's no benefit to using SB with last stand? you can't mitigate more than a critical block amount, right?
warm plinth
Only thing SB does that LS doesnโt is the shield slam damage
amber siren
the only reason to use LS with SB is if you won't survive without the heal/hp increase
the block is the same
warm plinth
So yeah, basically always a waste to use both at the same time
terse oasis
and you'll end up in a gap of block coverage
if you need to tank stuff for that long
austere storm
does shield block benefit from pandemic? can i use it with 1-2 seconds remaining and not waste SB uptime?
left hatch
even if you used it back to back its not wasted
austere storm
amazing, that will make things easier
left hatch
but given that theres almost guerenteed to be downtime in dungeons, its better to stagger usage
1s downtime between charges >3-4s if you used back to back
austere storm
hmm ok
but i guess if its a big pull and you cant afford SB downtime at all, then chain them back to back at the start?
warm plinth
I'd still just wait until the first one is about to expire and then use the other
You never know what might happen in 6 seconds. If you end up having to kite a bit, or like start of FH you get yeeted out by the enforcer when it's about to expire and don't need it refreshed immediately
austere storm
ok
what's your "opener" when you go into a big pack? ive been using avatar into charge, tclap and shield block and carrying on from there
warm plinth
Well, Intercept and Shield Block are both off GCD, so you can do Intercept>Avatar>Shield Block>TC>Demo>TC>Shield Slam>TC>etc
You don't want a full global of a big pack hitting you with no Shield Block or you're going to be instantly getting chunked
potent anvil
I sometimes like to ripple in space right in there for fun. 
strong forum
It's intervene 
austere storm
i didnt notice intercept was off the gcd! nice
warm plinth
Don't @ me
potent anvil
@warm plinth
potent anvil
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drifting lotus
morning all
strong forum
My life is a lie
warm plinth
I think it was Intercept even like way back in the day
Intercept was just the uh
DPS war one
strong forum
Yus
warm plinth
Like in zerker stance you had Intercept and in Battle Stance you had Charge
strong forum
The goodest of days
strong forum
Charge -> intercept -> heroic leap
unborn sapphire
Salvaged Mekacycle Shielding equip anything to good have?
strong forum
Nothing could get away
warm plinth
No, the effect blows
strong forum
If its your highest ilvl bulvai
warm plinth
But if it's your highest ilevel, wear it
strong forum
The proc is mega bad
left hatch
its awful
warm plinth
Absorb is literally 0 and the damage proc will basically never happen because the absorb is literally 0
strong forum
Dare I even say giga bad
unborn sapphire
then and put mastery on it
strong forum
Cuz blizz doesn't think things through
left hatch
mastery is fine
just because its not our best trait
doesn't mean its not good
and by trait i mean stat
strong forum
Tbh, if blizz started to focus on only giving good stats
The game would be less interesting
sullen valve
left hatch
and how do you balance 'good' traits for every class
like haste isn't bis for everyone
left hatch
pink prot i think mastery is a close 2nd
unborn sapphire
depends
strong forum
I mean shamans and hpally can wear it too
unborn sapphire
on your gear etc, but yea I get your point
unborn sapphire
I just mean that the big picture ie. design is way off
strong forum
It's just stupid flavour
left hatch
its still just a stat stick
warm plinth
I mean, if you could only get good stats, then you'd just have BiS by derping through content
That wouldn't be fun either
strong forum
Yup
left hatch
what i would be ok with is breinging back reforging
to make shit rolls slightly better
warm plinth
I liked reforging
strong forum
There needs to be a bad, to have others be good
Reforging would absolutely fuck with simming
warm plinth
Don't really miss reforging, but I liked it
strong forum
And you'd need to sim so many fucking variations
Change your shit constantly
That's why they got rid of it
Too much shit associated with just getting X item
Corruption isn't helping in that regard either
Cuz they wanted clear upgrades, which they obv failed at horribly
The biggest issue is blizz is too shy to do short term testing
Aka buff this for 1 week, see how it plays out, then rebalance it
warm plinth
Yeah like
left hatch
tbf this whole patch is basically testing
warm plinth
Titanforging is gone, yay
left hatch
for a TF replacement
strong forum
They should honestly do the fortnite approach of patching / releasing new stuff.
Just fucking release X, see how it performs, if its shit just get rid of it 1 week later or some shit
Nobody is hurt in the process
Literally nobody
But nooo, they have to wait 6 months to release 1 patch that doesn't address shit
And then they're too shy to nerf / buff properly
To see how things turn out
All they need to do is be less corporate with it and just throw some stuff out and see how it plays out...
It's not an esport
terse oasis
i mean, i don't see the need for TF/WF it's just more random
you can't actually ever be 'done' gearing with either system
tame garden
Which is the point
terse oasis
esp. with corruption budgets changing so you can't ever cleanse anything
so most of my characters have a bank full of corruptions, because min-maxing to 39/59 corruption
tame garden
They want you to have a reason to farm for the whole tier
terse oasis
i mean, i get it, but it sucks
it makes keeping up alts way harder, it makes it so that skill is taken out of the game
because a prot warrior right now with an r3 and an r1 TD is better, even if they play worse, than someone that got trinkets or avoidance corruptions
limpid pawn
yo guys
terse oasis
like raid logs are pretty much a joke, since the top parse is just 'oh this guy had max corruption IS' or something
limpid pawn
after rank 15 cloak do you just need 1 nozth kill a week?
like can we effectively stop farming dailies for the coelescing vision stuff
terse oasis
bro > no, you can also get it from doing horrific visions
and it's not capped at 1 a week
so keep saving your jars/goo
terse oasis
up to like 120 resist yeah, at 3 resist per
terse oasis
not that i've seen anywhere, once you hit rank 15 you can keep farming
It looks like the recently added Malefic Core will be the Core for this step and this will upgrade your Cloak's Corruption Resistance by 3.
that doesn't sound right though, I thought bliz caps these things at once per week
like archimonde ring
and antorus trinkest
terse oasis
they've said nothing about a cap anywhere
and they said you can upgrade from nzoth and/or visions
shrewd ore
the cape upgrade for 3 corr resis is just once per week
but you still wanna farm for sockets yea
limpid pawn
10 sockets
drifting lotus
250k mementos = LOT of visions
tame garden
Brolikk arms player confirmed
terse oasis
nero - i didn't see anything that says once a week
left hatch
given wowhead has an estimated cap for it at 150 in september
and how wow's always done this sorta thing
its safe to assume itll be a once a week
the power creep is going be be absurd if it isn't
tame garden
It's just so unlikely that they would let us infinite farm it
Safe to assume its weekly capped
Youd feel forced to do every daily
For the entire partch
left hatch
so a TD 7 is the best we can safely get
left hatch
yah but best wed be able to sneak in with that is like a low VR or a gushing wounds
still wouldn't run over 60 even for 1 more td
mortal brook
7TD1GW would be 65
brisk rain
guuuys, heart of darkness or iron fortress?
mortal brook
HoD unless your shield is like, sub 470
left hatch
if you have a 470+ shield heart
mortal brook
then IF
left hatch
if not IF
even 7 TD is pretty juicy
42% health damage per
at that point it might be better to run one of the T2 stat procs to boost its crit/proc rate/flat damage
instead of gushing
west remnant
Anyone come up with a macro for things from beyond yet? like a target/stormbolt
stoic pilot
I wanna play around with TD I still havenโt gotten a decent one yet for prot
Been rocking 2x T3 Racing Pulse tho thatโs been fun, so much haste
left hatch
wait waht do you mean 'decent one"
even a TD 1 is worth dropping a lot of ilvl for
you dont need it on a good piece to be good
mortal brook
I dropped 60 ilvl on wrists for a TD, zero regrets
left hatch
pre nerf i was rolling 420 gloves for EV2, and have 435 boots rn for TD3
any ilvl of TD is 'a decent one'
the only piece i wouldn't drop a dumb amount of ilvl for it is shield
and even then itd be tempting
stoic pilot
Havenโt gotten it on a piece I can use ๐
left hatch
rip, only on 2-hs?
stoic pilot
Yeah unfortunately
stoic pilot
I ended up going nuts buying boes this tier lol
tame garden
Leech
nimble brook
got a haste mast ring this week with leech in cache. was reluctant using it cause of the mast but the leech really opened my eyes. even with 101 leech it did like 2.6m healing in a JY I ran last night
left hatch
uhhh
leech isn't worth other secondaries
its a nice bonus to have
thats it
like if you had a haste crit of equivilant ilvl before id still use that
nimble brook
yeah it's my highest ilvl one
left hatch
or are you talking the leech corruption? which is just as bad to use
nimble brook
nah it is just a 475 haste mast, replacing a 465 haste vers
left hatch
ah yah thats w/e then
nimble brook
I'll likely replace the 475 if I get a 465 crit haste
left hatch
as long as you arn't giving up a good secondary, ilvl or corruption budget you doin gud
nimble brook
yeah I got a logic loop of synergy last night but gave it to the healer who had an overclocking bit band
left hatch
would a healer even want use 3 on same target ๐ค
i feel like that procs way less than.. virtually every other class/role
nimble brook
that's the one where if you heal a target whose health is below 50%
left hatch
ooooh
sorry only 2 i rememer are the 'attack from behind' and '3 same target in a row'
nimble brook
yeah sweet crit haste stats but I wouldn't have made use of the effect
left hatch
both halves of the 'good' effect ones are pretty pog
i think one is super crit heavy and the other is super haste heavy
plus a free 200ish haste from the effect
nimble brook
yeah the overclocking bit band is good for the haste proc
left hatch
just havn't gotten around to grinding out junkyard for it yet
left hatch
eh its nice to pad but its in the lower end for me
rn i think ML is the one i look forward to the most
stupid easy trash now that skips let you free skip the annoying stuff
plush prism
would you guys say the 480 eng helm is better than the 475 heroic nzoth helm?
i dont wanna give up BoM ๐ฆ
left hatch
ehhhhh its very close
nimble brook
I haven't run ML enough. I gotta learn what to kill in the beginning
left hatch
tbh id sim myself and go with w/e gives more deepus
nimble brook
how much % do you need before taking obelisk to the 2nd boss?
left hatch
cause the difference in survivability is pretty negligable between the 2
plush prism
cant believe i wasted all the time effort and gold to level zand engineering
such trash lol
nimble brook
the eng helm is not bad if you don't have access to higher ilvl azerites
mortal brook
64~69 before 1st boss, you can get away with 85~95%+ after 1st boss before 2nd
left hatch
89%ish
mortal brook
depending how you deal with the trash packs before 3rd/4th obs
left hatch
is how much i get before riding hte minecart
but i also skip all the dumb elementals on the ramp up to boss 2 with obelisk 2
mortal brook
I have my warlock pull mobs away from the obs because its a running joke at this point into the season.
nimble brook
yeah def skip the elementals and the big pack at the end
left hatch
yah i think theres ~10% of "unskippable" trash after boss 2
if you dont cheese
and thats including nzoth guys
nimble brook
good to know, thanks for the info guys
it's fun to SR the chemical burn on 3rd boss
left hatch
yeh and the 4th boss is free af
with the safe zones
only mechanic is the gatling gun lol
nimble brook
you tank it on the stairs or in a safe zone?