Actually rly enjoyed progging xanesh
#protection
tame garden
terse oasis
or the dreaded "WRONG WAY!"
wooden radish
tame garden
craggy harness
itsstillgood.gif
terse oasis
the best was an "it's gonna be close"
warm plinth
@wooden radish Hi Lincoln! ๐
tame garden
@warm plinth
exotic spoke
โShitโ
warm plinth
What is this emoji
lofty finch
Hey guys, I have a choice between rank 1 searing flames or rank 1 twilight dev. It feels like the proc chance is a little quicker than how quickly i can get 30 stacks of searing flames off... but what would people say?
tame garden
Td is king
rose furnace
tame garden
@warm plinth
lofty finch
thanks ๐
warm plinth
Don't use your dumb green bear on me
signal plover
Awww I missed the xanesh memes
warm plinth
lul
short blaze
i was unlucky with my chest, and farmed some WQ's to get my TD corruption, then the Assault Worldboss finally gave me the ring with Rank 3 
tame garden
nimble brook
wtf lmao
final mist
๐
tame garden
Beautiful
terse oasis
he was running 9x R3 TD.. apparently it took about 20 attempts to get it to proc before he died
like 900some corruption
tame garden
I'd love to see the size of the eye
modern brook
E Y E
warm plinth
Literally just the entire dungeon
The dungeon is the Eye
Like
The Eye of Azshara
๐
tame garden
terse oasis
one pull.. by procing TD :p
nimble brook
would be a blast last couple weeks of bfa that they give max corruption resist so you can run corruption in every slot
warm plinth
So that's like... what, 2x TD3 and 1x TD1 to stay under 60?
Or something like that
It's 75 for TD3 right?
tame garden
Yes
warm plinth
Yeah so that's the most you could do to still be under 60, since even TD2 would put you at 65
nimble brook
125 resist on cloak seems to be sept 8 lol
drifting lotus
I can't even imaging TD7
you'll have a week to use it before new expansion
long play
nimble brook
yeah I can't imagine SL releasing much later than that
nimble brook
nimble brook
it'd have to be late nov/early dec the latest if it's 2020 release, otherwise mythic prog would start around christmas time
warm plinth
January I guess would surprise me a bit since they said 2020
drifting lotus
that's a long time with no future patches
nimble brook
then blizz staff is off
warm plinth
I'd rather they not release it and have it be good than have them rush it and have everyone bitching about bugs and shit personally
drifting lotus
how would one get 9 TD3?
craggy harness
gold + running with sub viewers donating?
warm plinth
Have TD3 on every slot besides azerite/trinkets/neck/cape
craggy harness
"notes", two hand classes are clearly nerfed in that regard
missing a chance to have 2x corruption
tame garden
craggy harness
thanks giving week
plunks down, everyone goes home and can't play
because of maintenance
heady finch
Guys Iโm currently playing as fury warrior but am thinking of going prot as an off spec, would I need to change out all of my gear or just the weapons/azerite gear?
mortal brook
youll be just fine with weapons and traits swapped
heady finch
Ok ty
exotic spoke
Probably was on tournament realm. Where you could buy what you need
strong forum
Obv
tame garden
exotic spoke
Wel I donโt know for sure so Iโm guessing. Some people where saying donations from views 
ionic fern
ANyone here with ANodized bracers (mechagon ones)?
tame garden
Very helpful thank you
hallow phoenix
:)
left hatch
oof trekkie thinking going till Dec before shadowlands would be a long time without new content
ig he wasn't around for the WoD days
regal saddle
Or like Every end of xpac
mortal brook
i loved late wod tho. but i lived in Ashran ๐
drifting lotus
only played at the beginning of wod
elder berry
I am not certain what the last 2 xpacs have been like for endgame content (time wise) but MoP and WoD had EXTREMELY long endgame patches
tame garden
Well wod specifically was abandoned
Bfa has also been abandoned, tho to a lesser degree
strong forum
The abandonment doesn't seem as apparent cuz of m+
It'll keep get some longevity with that alone
lucid dew
Is there a cap on TD that you should move to focusing on stats? Like is a tier 3 TD enough
tame garden
Never enough td
strong forum
Td3 / td 4
mortal brook
I wouldnt go past 8td
lucid dew
Once we get more corrupt resist
elder berry
I am not expecting SL to come out til late 2020 and I would not be surprised if something pushed it back to 2021
mortal brook
if it gets pushed back and its a higher quality game, sure do it
if it gets pushed back and its still reforged shit, meh
tame garden
I'm running a very comfy td3 + gw1 which leaves me under 40 corruption
strong forum
Blizzard and pushing back release dates, sure kid
tame garden
Will upgrade to td4 + gw1 soon
strong forum
Cries in td2
lucid dew
That makes sense I still havenโt gotten a gushing wounds
mortal brook
td3/ta2 atm
lucid dew
Is TD pretty even across ranks I have 2 tier 2 TDS
mortal brook
yes exactly even
drifting lotus
I feel sorry for those who < TD4
strong forum
1 - 6
2 - 12
3 - 18
lucid dew
TD 4 now has thing from beyond and I hate it ha
The first week after rank 5 with can equip TD 4 and be under 40 right
Rank 15 I mean
elder berry
I wish I had a TD piece... shit even a EV piece
tame garden
My condolences
elder berry
my corrution luck = ass
drifting lotus
EV... pft. i got my first EV piece on my rogue this week. EV3 and it sim'd my dps up 1k... because i had to get rid of some other corruption (still doesn't seem like it should have only increased it that little - need to look into it)
inland silo
TD3 + TD1
edgy bone
Ooooh
inland silo
or TD2 + TD2
edgy bone
Do they add up like that?
inland silo
yea
inland silo
all corruptions do
edgy bone
Wouldn't they be separate chances of proving 18% and 6%
As opposed to one single chance of proccing 24%
inland silo
no proc chances never change
its always damage or affect that stacks
its the same as azerite
edgy bone
So you literally add then up?
tame garden
Yes
inland silo
its not always the case
like theres some T1s that dont add up to a t3 if you have 3 of them
edgy bone
So 24% of my HP blasts them?
tame garden
Yep
inland silo
pretty sure its 15
drifting lotus
also, isn't there only one level of GW?
inland silo
ye
drifting lotus
yeah, so you're looking at 115 for TD4 and GW
tame garden
๐
drifting lotus
which would be sweet at rank 17 cloak ๐
strong forum
17 
drifting lotus
wait - maybe a few additional ranks..
strong forum
15 is max cloak rank
edgy bone
115 - 42 cloak - 10 essence = 63 corruption
drifting lotus
how are they handling additional corruption resistance?
wind garden
You get an additional three each week after rank 15 cloak
strong forum
Good
Cuz that's where the fun is
I wish we had emoji so I could make the jokes more apparent than they seem
drifting lotus
each week you can get +3 more corruption resistance (past 15)
topaz ember
?
strong forum
Past 15, orange
tame garden
U realize some ppl play with high corruption right
tame garden
63 isnt outlandish
drifting lotus
i play with 58 max
strong forum
I'm going to be running 63+ on my vdh from now on
Surging vita 3 + td 3
Or wait how many is that
I have r11 cloak rn
Cba
58 I think
edgy bone
@tame garden doesn't that mean you're taking insane damage?
strong forum
No
edgy bone
How
strong forum
Thing from beyond dmg doesn't scale with corruption
Only speed
And the dmg increase taken is at 80
tame garden
You can cc most tfb
strong forum
Not 60
tame garden
You dont have to tank them all
strong forum
60 is the root + eye spawn
tame garden
Spell reflect also works
strong forum
80+ is the extra dmg taken
edgy bone
Spell reflect works on thing from beyond?
drifting lotus
fear/sr/cloak/leap+kite
strong forum
Yes
edgy bone
Lmao wut
strong forum
It works on eye too, you deflect the dmg
edgy bone
That's insane
edgy bone
And cant you intimidating shout the TfB
drifting lotus
or - just run into like i do...
strong forum
Yes you can fear it
edgy bone
And storm bolt it...
sharp night
it's great until you've used all your cc
strong forum
Yes
edgy bone
Bruh yall just opened my eyes
sharp night
and then you get a spawn
edgy bone
In bouts run 79 corruption
edgy bone
I thought tfb hits for 150k
edgy bone
Really
edgy bone
Sick
strong forum
And IP
drifting lotus
yeah - but i thought from 60+ you get reduced heals and increased dmg?
strong forum
Just avatar
4head
But in dicey situations you can always press cloak
Assuming it's not on CD
But yeh below 60 is generally fine
Above that is dicey
brisk night
what are your guys thoughts on the Fusion Hacker weapon from Junkyard? worth losing the 2ndary stats even if it sims better?
edgy bone
@strong forum wait you guys actually use the active on your cloak?
flint cliff
ive had a couple healers complain that im squishy
i try to keep good uptime on ignore pain and shield block, im 467
i dont understand what im doing wrong
edgy bone
@flint cliff u gotta face the monsters, I know u been tanking with ur back to them
edgy bone
@flint cliff what other tanks have you played
flint cliff
this is my first
inland silo
It gets rid of the eye
drifting lotus
completely
inland silo
If thereโs a tfb running at you it disappears
drifting lotus
and for 6 seconds after i think
strong forum
Not to be rude but... reading what X does helps a ton
edgy bone
Thanks!
flint cliff
so we gonna focus on the cloak use question and skip the other one <.>
tame garden
Lol
drifting lotus
yeah
drifting lotus
it's easier to answer
tame garden
Cant guess why you die
inland silo
I mean he was joking but yea you have to face mobs to block their attacks
flint cliff
does sidestepping count you as facing
edgy bone
@flint cliff I cN tell you something that helped me
tame garden
You can block in a 180 degree range
drifting lotus
you can also sheath your weapon/shield (it goes on your back) when you run away to block
edgy bone
๐๐
flint cliff
lol
edgy bone
@drifting lotus wtf
drifting lotus
lol
tame garden
edgy bone
Theres no way that's true
drifting lotus
lol
inland silo
I heard if you turn your back and /sit all the monsters attacks go over your head and miss
edgy bone
And are letting it go to waste
drifting lotus
i told you - i cleansed it
drifting lotus
i had a 470 - needed the 5 ilvl
edgy bone
๐คฏ
drifting lotus
5 ilvl > MF3
drifting lotus
pog
fringe marten
Mind Flay 3?
edgy bone
No taking it into arena and going 2200 in 1 week is alpha
fringe marten
Did he get a 475 shield with the mindflay 3 on it?
unkempt seal
aertn peopel smart enough to kill mind flays above 1800?
fringe marten
Oh..whatevs...PVP ain't my jam; but that proc is stout though.
drifting lotus
also, i didn't cleanse it - just haven't had time to M+ let alone PVP
edgy bone
@unkempt seal you dont have time
fringe marten
I don't pvp at all, let alone competitively..but by the sounds of it I would think the competitive PVP community would be ok with having all corruption effects simply suspended in PVP situations; no?
drifting lotus
wait - apparently i have 2200 rating in a box here. don't take that away from me
fringe marten
Just seems to me at a cursory glance that a handful of the powerful corruption procs are having hugely imbalancing effects on pvp.
drifting lotus
๐
edgy bone
@fringe marten you are correct
The entire pvp community is raging
Sometimes I have games where one guys mindflay damage is more than all his other abilities combine
drifting lotus
tell them to deal with it just like PVE does...
there are people that can't raid because they don't have the corruption for it
edgy bone
1.2M worth of mindflay and mortal strike did 400k over the course of the arena
fringe marten
In a competitive raiding or M+ environment you need good corruption pieces to compete with your contemporaries; or you're just doing substantially less throughput than they are. In a PVP environment...'not' getting lucky on corrupted gear simply makes you dead; unable to compete.
drifting lotus
less throughput == unable to compete
edgy bone
The other perspective is
You don't LOSE a fight because on person on your team doesn't gave the right corruption, when raiding
Or the boss gets luckier procs than yoh
fringe marten
That's my point though trekie...aside from something like a world first race; you can get away with just being a strong player and not hitting the RNG lottery on corruption. In PVP you literally just lose. (there may be some encounters that guilds struggle to make the dps checks on maybe?)
edgy bone
But in arena all that becomes true
The issue is that these corruptions arent healthy augments boost your strength by 5%
Its literally night and day change that takes you from scrub to unstoppable monster
fringe marten
A great player in good gear...vs the same great player in the good corrupted gear is a? 20% differential? (of course varies by class/fight) But you're telling me there's a guild that has to bench a great mage..because they are just 10k DPS short of making a DPS check in mythic progression? If it's that tight..the boss is way way overtuned or more people in your guild aren't playing well.
drifting lotus
mmm. i don't think you get what im saying. i have heard of people straight up NOT being able to raid because they don't have the corruption (dps) and others do - even if they're a better player
NOT being able to raid == losing in PVP imo
it hasn't happened to anyone i know on my server - but i've heard of people bitching about it
fringe marten
Trekie; I can definitely see that in the world first race..where it's a race for fame and you're trying to hurdle the hardest PVE raid encounter a lot earlier in the gearing cycle; so having maximized players is critical.
edgy bone
Trekkie has a point too
fringe marten
But we're passed that now..and much deeper into the gearing cycle; this shouldn't be that big a concern for anyone other than their own personal attempts to parse.
edgy bone
But his argument only comes into effect when you have 2 identical players standing next to each other
Who do I want for the raid: MageA or MageB?
Well MageA gets the spot because he has way better corruptiona
Arena isnt really like that. You have synergy with your teammate and swapping people out isn't that easy
fringe marten
Right; but if one player is an excellent player..and the other one isn't as strong; but has corrupted gear putting them ahead ONLY on a dps bar; the other parts of their gameplay will also matter..IE mechanical execution.
edgy bone
So you work with what you got, then queue into a match and just flat out lose
fringe marten
The situation that Trekie is talking about would have to be so specific. Your guild would have to be BARELY missing a dps check to down a progression boss; and the two competing players would have to both be very good players IE doing mechanics and working the fight properly..and THEN the choice would have to be made solely because the guild desperately needs that extra 10/15/20k DPS.
edgy bone
@fringe marten yeah exactly
fringe marten
I imagine there are folks in that situation; but it's going to be a pretty rare occurance. However in PVP, from what I've heard from everyone I know who's invested in it... is that you either get good corruption gear..or you are utterly left behind.
edgy bone
Here bro: this arena match lasted 1min37sec
Tell me that's okay
The dudes damage literally quadrupled because he was WEARING a piece he got by luck
fringe marten
Oh yeah I believe it...it's ridiculously stupid. I don't know why they didn't simply come out of the gate with having corruption disabled in all PVP situations, even in world pvp (but I could at least see that being allowed)
edgy bone
Yeah man that's why trekkie should go get his 2.2k rating @drifting lotus
mortal brook
the appendange has 3k health. why arent you killing it
edgy bone
Free 470 corrupted piece every week on top of his m+ chest
fringe marten
OH well; hopefully I'm just an uninformed idiot and at the top end of PVP it all balances out somehow because uhh? Skillz? =\
edgy bone
@mortal brook dawg you dont have time
drifting lotus
you should kill it
edgy bone
๐คฆโโ๏ธ
If you take an extra 2 seconds to lay off me, target a tentacle, waste time and a global running over to it and killing it
I will ruin your entire team
fringe marten
Even assuming that Trekie; they are insanely skillful insta swap and 1 tap every appendage that EVER procs EVER in every match EVERY TIME. Ok..then everyone uses Twilight Dev anyway~
edgy bone
Now imagine if I get 10 procs throughout the arena, you gonna kill them all?
drifting lotus
does it proc that much?
edgy bone
Sometimes they proc 2 at a time man, and they're both draining you for 20k a second AND slowing you down
drifting lotus
I'm super glad im one of the lucky that has this now.
i need to get to 2200 before they a) nerf it, or b) remove corruption from pvp
fringe marten
Even if you don't use the appendages (which are super OP) ok what about twilight dev, what about stacking gushing wound? (I have a 470 wound shield and a 475 belt..they do substantial dps single target..but yes, over time)
Point being; corruption is hugely imbalancing pvp at the end of the day.
rustic spear
Can anyone recommend a good M+ Prot warrior streamer?
autumn pendant
It is rng fiesta indeed
fringe marten
I did, I got my EV piece too late~
drifting lotus
@rustic spear rads is very good
warm plinth
@rustic spear Nerftanktv is Nerfclap's channel. I wouldn't emulate him 100% because he's doing content you probably aren't, but he's fun to watch.
edgy bone
That shit was doing 2 mil damage in 90 second arenas
And their next best ability was at like 150k
mortal brook
and now it just kinda breaks cc obnoxiously
prisma crane
@edgy bone btw, i agree that the tendie dmg in your screenshot was high, but lmao at "quadrupled"
fringe marten
I was doing my dailies the other day; I quest/do everything as prot..with tweaked talents for world pvp. Some DH tried to beef with me, and I was dumpstering his face...he was doing no damage to me; then his tentacles started procing and my HP started rapidly going down...then some fury warrior jumped in as well and I died. I was absolutely going to crush the DH alone easily; when the tentacles started popping up he started bringing me down rapidly..I may have won anyway; but it VERY quickly changed the favor of the fight.
prisma crane
31.2% of your dmg is a 45.3% increase over your original damage
huge boost, but not 4x boost
if it was 80% of his dmg then yes, you could say quadrupled
fringe marten
(krotos I thought the same thing...then I added up his other numbers..it didn't 4x his damage but it multiplied it for sure..disgusting)
prisma crane
i just wish people wouldnt exaggerate when trying to explain a point that doesnt require it, because it devalues the original point
fringe marten
It like 2x multiplied the damage of his next was like? 4 or 6 abilities? insane.
prisma crane
well yea, but
edgy bone
@prisma crane I feel you
prisma crane
who cares about it compared to each individual item
edgy bone
But you gotta think differently
prisma crane
like TD is massive dmg, but my tclap still out dmgs it
edgy bone
In pvp it's all about burst
fringe marten
I get what you're saying "literally quadrupled his damage" is an exaggeration for sure. The essence of the statement remains true though.
prisma crane
yes, but that said, a dmg meter doesnt say if that dmg was in a proper burst window or not
it's 100% very strong in pvp, i wont dispute that
but to say you can put it on and win isnt true, you have to be able to play around it as well as rely on going against players that dont properly counter it
fringe marten
Yes pvp is about burst, but the amount of pressure these free corruptions now put on people sways fights big time. And without them; you simply cannot compete at a decent level.
edgy bone
It's just silly when I say 473 tanks in PUG raids during week 2
prisma crane
they die immediately if swapped to
edgy bone
Because they were 2400 rated in week 1
prisma crane
if you were 2400 in week one you were already a good player
edgy bone
Bro you dont have time to kill them ๐
You right 100%
It's like if they let batman start using guns and he was allowed to kill people
prisma crane
lol
i guess
just get tendies and cycle trinket and then proc a tendie, stun, and cycle
and then profit
fringe marten
I'm just glad I don't care about PVP or I'd be frothy mouth mad about corruption; game imbalance really irritates me because I think it should be a core focus for the dev team at all times. (and it is to a degree, but they don't necessarily implement the balances quickly) But as a main tank; corruption is just fun for me..and just makes me do cool damages~ Instead of being an ABSOLUTE REQUIRED core boost to my class.
prisma crane
but it's still counterable, just hard and it's definitely stupid that there isnt at least SOME way to target specific corrupted effects
well i mean, unless you're going for glad you'll probably be ok without the perfect corruptions
just be ready to occasionally get stomped or for games to last longer
and if you play a comp that has heavy CC you'll stop them most of the time anyways
fringe marten
And after all that...LOL I can get to my actual reason for popping in: Anyone familiar enough with WeakAuras2 to know how to make a aura that tracks an entity you spawn? Was playing around with the chest that spawns the void droplets last night...and it's cool; but I was missing tons of orbs; so I figured I'd try and make a WA to alert me to spawns.
prisma crane
you just have to play better, which also means that when you eventually do get what you want, you'll beat them since they were riding on their corruptions over skill
fringe marten
No buff is put on you when you trigger them, and they aren't a targetable entity..with a name. Of course they have a name/etc for the game to even deal with them..I just don't know how to track that.
rustic spear
Thanks for the stream recommendations, Iโll give them a watch ๐ @drifting lotus @warm plinth
sharp night
if it's using a hidden event you won't be able to track it
but if something pops up in combat log it should be trackable
fringe marten
I'll have to look at that; never made a WA using log text events though?
Anyone use formless void minor in keys; doing anything in the 15+ range consistently; What kind of uptime do you generally see on the buff?
prisma crane
@fringe marten there's UIs that give them nameplates iirc
as far as formless minor goes
that would entirely depend on what essences others with you are running
someone uses CoF and it'll be up OFTEN
someone uses visions and it wont proc
fringe marten
Of course; that's why I'm trying to get a slice of peoples experience with it...some random groups/etc see a few responses. Because basically everyone is running memebeam, not too many people major the flame; which is what would give you great uptime (in a raid)
Exactly~
Want to know if in an average pug it's worth using over Warden; because warden is a slight increase in damage to TD..but quite solid self healing; so yeah it's much more of a defensive pick than offensive but it's got solid value.
left hatch
eh i wouldn't say its 'solid' self healing
its unrealiable
at best
and a large portion of it results in overhealing regardless of your content level
if you can get 30%+ uptime on formless go with that
fringe marten
...it's better than warriors other option for self healing ..which is "kill a thing.." (without a talent)
left hatch
which you don't need anyone running CoF for
warriors don't self heal
thats not how any part of our kit works
were not a reactive tank
fringe marten
...I get that; you don't have to explain it. Just talking about what is a better pick; formless is great IF you get it to proc..so curious as to what peoples experience with it is. (I'll just pug a few keys tonight with it)
left hatch
i was trying to explain that lol
if you can get 30% or better uptime on formless i would 100% take it
it doesn't require cof
in general pugs just ask nicely for ppl to stagger their meme beams
fringe marten
And even after all the overhealing; I see a good amount of real healing from warden; and especially useful on kiting crap when healer has to deal with maintaining other people (corrupted blood)
left hatch
if you tend to see ppl running VoP major however
than STR of warden is better than nothing
fringe marten
But you'll definitely get some good use out of formless; especially when it 'matters' IE on bigger pulls where someone for SURE is popping beam.
left hatch
right so
if its all memebeam, just ask them to stagger
if a lot of them are running VoP, swap to warden
thats the rule of thumb
fringe marten
Well I'm not going to ask anyone to do anything so "I" can get my little str buff more often~ lol.
left hatch
you give haste too?
tawny bluff
I already have 2 Overwhelming Powers and I could either go for a third or an Unstable Flame. Would 3 be too much or would the slight crit increase be beneficial?
left hatch
and staggering cds is better for the overall run anyway
you can run 3, but UF is also very very strong in M+ due to crit being our 2nd best stat there
pick w/e icon you like better
fringe marten
OP is fantastic; and UF is really good too; if you've got 2 OP you're going to have a ton of haste..a ton of the time...I'd grab a UF
left hatch
i prefer to zoom
you could even sim to see what gives you more dps
cause defensively theres little difference
tawny bluff
thanks for the input guys! ๐ my crit feels pretty low so I was leaning more towards UF
sharp night
convince someone to run PP as a compromise between iris and cof ๐
left hatch
or bully your healer
stoic pilot
I was digging formless void last week
sharp night
healers are probably gonna run FV if anything
stoic pilot
Cuz our healer ran vitality conduit major
fringe marten
Well there's something else to consider; the haste is probably going to outsim it most of the time. But most stats are on a DR curve; but infinitely useful usually. More haste will always push down your cd's faster/better globals to a point; but that's mitigation/rage. Parrying is a 100% deflection... it's real stronk~ So if you are constantly operating well over 50% haste due to ITTF and your procs; crit is gonna' start being very valuable.
left hatch
get close to 100% uptime when hes in group
hallow phoenix
BoD major is OP on explosive week
fringe marten
That's cheating morrison~
left hatch
oh its all weeks lul
stoic pilot
Tusks do you know if it procs resets on explosives?
hallow phoenix
Apparently it does
stoic pilot
Oh thatโs pretty nice tbh
hallow phoenix
Our Boomie was using it on explosive
For that reason
Victory Rush doesn't proc off them anymore so who knows though
stoic pilot
Thatโs going to show as an overwhelming amt of dmg overall
Lmao
I didnโt realize until last week that vitality conduit actually heals through necrotic
fringe marten
Dude..tusks~ Don't remind me. When I returned to the game, and then started hitting keys again..on the first explosive week I killed an orb and thought "w..? I killed it right? ..odd..lemme kill another one.." /sad..
stoic pilot
So that was chill never really having to kite
hallow phoenix
Rsham spirit link does the same thing meke
They can effectively heal you through 50 necrotic for its duration
hallow phoenix
The minor too I believe
stoic pilot
Our DH just healed me to full every pack cuz of his leech with vitality major going off lol
Yeah I just mean you can pop it and you get full healed regardless of your stacks basically
fringe marten
I seriously considered going horde many times...the fact that I'm Dark Iron dwarf has honestly been what's kept me from doing it. Being able to delete necrotic/bleed stacks in raids/etc ....dude...I don't wanna lose it~
stoic pilot
Like a 45 second spirit link it was cool
left hatch
my monk healer was running CnS that week
was super nice to have a free extra dps
any pack that didn't explode before i hit 30 stacks could just walk away from and get cleaved down in a few extra seconds
fringe marten
My usual druid healer uses formless major so he can steal a meme beam; would running CnS be more useful in terms of damage?
(as a healer)
left hatch
i think CnS is only worth on monk
stoic pilot
Not as Druid no
left hatch
cause they get way of the crane
fringe marten
Ohhh..
left hatch
Druid the dps run is 100% CoF
i think overall they get more dps outta it than memebeam cause the extra cd
unless you're mass pulling and coordinating it around that CD
olive lotus
Is getting the 5% leech corruption any good for warriors? Granted I only have leech on like one or two pieces of gear
mortal brook
not worth the alternatives
damage corruption aside, even like, a vers proc would be more DR than the leech you're healing for, with damage from vers on top of it
its just not great for its corruption cost
olive lotus
Sounds good. Itโs only my 470 shield so Iโll prob take off the corruption
elfin rune
ok so i'm semi new to tanking, sitting at 463 ilvl and i'm getting destroyed in m+....who do i talk to that could help me fix whatever i'm doing wrong?
hallow phoenix
Are you using shield block
its your main mitigation tool and you should be keeping it up as often as possible
elfin rune
yeah it's pretty much all the time
mortal brook
Logs can give us details for targeted information. Def log your next m plus and post link here
elfin rune
i've been watching trellsky's vids and i'm noticing some massive differences between us...like, he can actually heal himself, and his twilight dev
left hatch
do'nt compare yourself to runs that are above 20+
its an entirely different game once you hit 20 range
elfin rune
true, i can't even time an 11 right now and it's kinda driving me nuts
left hatch
and the strats they do and builds they run are hyperspecific to the particular dungeon adn route they're running
its hard to say without logs of your run whats going wrong but a few things new tanks screw up that can fuck your survivability are:
*prioritizing spamming IP over keeping up SB
*not using rage gens like SS or TC and pressing devestate while those things are up
*overcapping rage
*not using Demoshout and avatar on cd (and i mean on cd. not sitting on them for 'big packs'
*treating cds as panic buttons when you're low. were a proactive tank not a reactionary one and you'll be heavily punished if you try to play reactionarily
*not using LS to bridge gaps in SB uptime (like using it while SB is already running or has charges ready is a waste)
*overcapping SB charges/having low uptime of it in general
*low shield ilvl
*wrong talents or azerite traits/essences
elfin rune
the last two i think are my issues
left hatch
if you link your armory i can look over what yo'ure running
elfin rune
i maintain most my cd's pretty well and generally prioritize SB over IP
left hatch
and point you in the right direction
it shouldn't be generally
SB is your active mitigation
IP is a rage dump to smooth damage
left hatch
the only times you hit IP when SB isn't rolling is when you're not taking blockable damage... which offhand is only last 2 bosses in ML and the Zul miniboss in KR
talents are good
on shoulders swap Gutripper for Unstable Flame (one of our 2 best middle ring traits in M+) and self reliance for Gemhide (self-reliance is completely worthless for tanks/melee)
otherwise traits are good
and for essences... you have the right idea with visions major and arn't running anything super awful
but null is a weaker pick compared to some other things in lower keys
it really doesn't shine outside of its ST damage component (so basically workshop) until you get close to the 20 range, and even then only in some dungeons... and thats irrelevent anyway cause you don't get the damage portion till r3
Str of warden is pretty meh
its better than nothing if your entire group is running VoP or blows their cds at the same time
but if you can get them to stagger or someoen is running a low cd one like CoF then Formless is much better
if you need resistance
elfin rune
yeah i pretty much need magic midigation, it literally hits me like i'm wearing cloth gear
left hatch
you shouldn't before like 18's / 19's
null isn't a standin for missing kicks/interrupts
and theres no avoidable magic damage thats anywhere close to lethal before you get into the upper teens
elfin rune
so what minors should i be using then??
left hatch
some combo of CnS, Lucid, Sphere or (especially this week) Aegis
will be best in the majority of keys
outside of this week be careful about aegis though, anytime you're not in combat with 6+ targets its weaker than the others
so you gotta play around it or its a dead pick
fringe marten
The default ui combat log, the 'my actions' 'what happened to me' is it as verbose as it gets; or is there a setting to show more verbose text events?
left hatch
in game i think thats the best you can do
lavish oracle
How's the Faralos corruption stack up to twilight dev in overall dungeon damage?
Obviously it's gonna be worse in most situations, but how much worse?
inland silo
its a little bit better than ev2 from the dungeons ive run
zealous ore
It's definitely pretty good now after td got nerfed
sharp night
are you looking for the orb spawn event @fringe marten
inland silo
TD is still your go to corruption. If faralos is preventing you from getting more TD then cleanse it
if you have room for it its decent
sharp night
it's probably not linked to your character so neither of those would show it if so
zealous ore
Oh yeah TD is still better
lavish oracle
Yeah, just picking the game back up after a long break, still fishing for corrupted gear and was wondering if it was worth putting rerolls into
Thanks
zealous ore
I mean it's the easiest way to get a 475ilvl wep if you're doing it on mythic
lavish oracle
No, unfortunately, I'm generally M+ only, I just pug AotC every tier mostly
zealous ore
There might be better bosses to coin then yeah
Especially trinkets
And the last 2 for azerite
zealous ore
Yeah
left hatch
wat.... now that TD got nerfed?
the nerf is pretty negligable
it doesn't make searing anything more than the mediocrity its been
zealous ore
Well, it's easier to hit things with searing and on very big pulls searing is probably better, again that doesn't change the fact it's still worse than TD
left hatch
eh i still would never take it, even for low key speed clears where every pull is 10+ targets
its smaller than a TD1 for more corruption on a fixed 30gcd timer
zealous ore
If you're option is TD or SB you pick TD every time, yes
left hatch
for what damage it does its ok, for its corruption budget its pretty bad
deep folio
Guys Merekethas Fang 475 or Briny Barnacke 470?
warm plinth
Frankly the TD nerf is barely worth discussing for the average player. If youโre not doing MDI style pulls then TD is still head and shoulders over the alternatives in AoE
And whatever it was better than in ST, itโs still better than
Fang is kinda hard to use in M+ because you canโt block/dodge/parry while itโs channeling. But if you can game it then itโs way better than barnacle for damage
Iโd probably use barnacle just because itโs safer
deep folio
Kk tyvm mate
pseudo depot
Siphoning vs force load? Ive seen a warrior in top 100 having siphoning and now i'm curious..
left hatch
yeh that was the point i was trying to make was the TD 'nerf' hasn't changed anything
pseudo depot
or force multiplyer* cant remember atm
mortal brook
force mult
pseudo depot
interesting tyvm
wheat talon
Is there any way to read how much damage versatility prevented from my logs?
left hatch
i don't believe so... anymore than you can see damage reduced from things like armor or DS
you could probably try to calculate it if you looked up the kvalue of the fight and seperated out the known factors like absorbs and block but
idk verse reduces a flat % of all damage intake so its a bit overkill to find an exact numerical value to what it prevented
and if yo'ure curious about how it scales compared to other stats im sure theres a EHRPS chart comparing the secondaries that you could ping mwahi about
left hatch
closest i can find is looking at raw damage
you can see how much of each individual thing is mitigated
but it doesn't separate out by what so armor, block, absorbs etc are all lumped into it
left hatch
yeh right there on your character panel lol
sharp night
just look at your overall damage taken
and divide by (1-vers)
and that's how much vers did for you
sharp night
that's why you just divide ๐ค
basic math
raw * (1-armor DR) * (1-vers DR) * (1-block DR if blocked) * (1-any other percentage DRs if they exist) = final value
and then subtract absorbs after
left hatch
ah right, just having a slow brain day lol
sharp night
if you have any absorbs i guess you have to add those back in first
but otherwise just divide basically
left hatch
just remember to add in your estimated value from a full stack of CnS as well tho
if yo'ure running it
and not just whats on character sheet
left hatch
not really
its worse than psychic shell
and even that trinket is a 'only use it if you know you need it. know where you need it. and iwll use it roughly on cd'
fringe marten
So I had asked earlier..no one had a solid response; not that I would expect anyone to randomly know what % uptime they had on an essence trigger. Did a 16 Underrot just a few mins ago and "Symbiotic Prescence" from Formless Void minor had 44.7% uptime through the dungeon.
Paladin, Mage, Warrior dps.. Paladin ? I don't see a major azerite dps source for him..do pallys run vision major? Mage definitely was using Beam..the warrior looks like he was running Blood?
Or purification protocal? Not sure which the warrior was running.
left hatch
i think meta pick for warrior is BoTE
and the ret in my guild usually has VoP but idk if thats good or not... he isn't the type to really research his class lol
stark scroll
I think it's VOP, haven't seen many pallys though. Warrior is going to be bote if he wasn't using iris
left hatch
i avg around 40-60% for formless with everyone in the group running ~2m cd essences
it goes higher if my healer runs CnS instead of Lucid
bit lower if our boomie goes VoP instead of iris
44.7% seems a healthy range
fringe marten
Yeah looked at it a bit more; he ran Purification minor, Blood major...mage was Beme~
So with 1 guy who can never actively use an essence, and 2 others using theirs on cd...it had about 45% uptime. I would think that would be an average number. With those essences being pretty common among many dps variants.
fringe marten
So that would mean that's skewing toward the 'low' end. What's the uptime in raids??
left hatch
ill getchu that inna sec
fringe marten
lol...I'd imagine quite solid.
polar cloak
is Faralos , Empires Dream worth the corruption on the weapon
fringe marten
Atm absolutely not.
craggy harness
unless you have no other decent corruption
fringe marten
However; your corruption budget currently is...Whatever you've been fortunate enough to get to drop.
^^^ exactly
However if you have other choices; and by other choices I mean..the 10 second mastery buff, the 4 second haste buff, the 20? second Versatility buff moving on up to the lesser desired dps procs like Echoing Void, are all better.
left hatch
so looking at logs from 3 diff prots on each fight
the general range is 94-98% uptime
with outliers on ilgy and hivemind (88%) and wrathion (78%)
fringe marten
From a flat out dps perspective the 800'ish versatility proc for 20 seconds is nearly JUST as much damage. it's about 8 to 9% versatility on the proc which means it's that much in damage increase, plus it's defensive benefit. And it's uptime ranges from 45'ish to 60'ish+%
Yup that's kinda' what I figured morrison. Once I saw a key with a random group and one guy running vision..and I had 44.7% uptime; I pretty much assumed raid situations would have near 100% uptime.
left hatch
yeh its very strong
and i agree, the stat procs imo are preferably to searing flames
esp since they often fall into a burst window
whereas if searing flames falls into a burst window... theres no real net gain
you can kinda game it by popping LS before it goes off but.. its a pretty negligable gain to overall dps
fringe marten
The uptime on all the stat procs are very good; and for their corruption cost they fall into the "pretty good" category. The Increase Stat% from all sources are kinda' meh..but good because their budget is so good. The short story is; the unique proc on the weapon for sword/board tanks from the raid..is nearly, if not, the worst possible corruption for it's cost.
left hatch
tbh the only really noteworthy unique corruptions are the Int gain thing on the ... mace? and ra-den fists
everything else is lackluster compared to generic options
fringe marten
is the 2% "bite" proc for druid stick good?
fringe marten
What's it's cost?
left hatch
except no aoe component
left hatch
35* and its on par with TD in dps per corruption
fringe marten
whatever...Faralos is crap and I hate it, it made me cry~ end of story.
fringe marten
And both scale with the same stat.
left hatch
yeahp
and haste impacts the proc rate about the same
since AA don't scale much faster than gcd does
at least for bears
it might be a smidge better for feral
inland silo
in the few dungeons ive done its done a bit more damage than my ev2
fringe marten
When I saw faralos, on paper I thought "man that looks pretty good" and it IS pretty good. We don't live in a world where "pretty good" is good enough for corruption. We live in a game review world "8 out of 10..is crap"
inland silo
i could see it being ev1 level ST
craggy harness
it does damage... but the way it was phrased, 30 gcds before it trips
that was probably best way way to put
inland silo
as warrior
left hatch
oh you're talking Searing Flames
craggy harness
might be two conversations at once
left hatch
yeh i thought we were still on Devour Vitality
inland silo
ah i saw faralos
fringe marten
As I said; Searing Flames is pretty good. Honestly. In a single target fight it held a consistent 5%+ of my damage..in M+ while I had it, pretty solid like 8%? or so.
inland silo
and assumed
left hatch
when i ran it early season it was 4-6% overall
fringe marten
But that's the problem "pretty good" isn't good enough for corruption budget; because of what you 'could' use; if you HAVE it.
left hatch
yah always an opportunity cost
fringe marten
You gotta' cheese it morrison, you can build the stacks by Tclapping out of combat.
Literally..never stop clapping even as you run around dungeon.
fringe marten
No, but those few extra gcd's push it's counter forward.
You kite the mini's to certain positions..etc
Clapping the whole way.
even if they're nowhere near you.
left hatch
seems like a lot of work for relatively little gain
you get what maybe 2 extra breaths doing that?
fringe marten
lot of button pushing for insanely small gain...absolutely yes.
Yes..which is why it was like 7.X to 8'ish% of my zonewides in dungeons.
And then..AND THEN! I threw a coin at Ra-Den the Despoiler..and he gave me 460 pants, with 18% Twilight Devastation on them. And then Faralos ceased to exist in this reality~
native sage
my guild decided to have me start tanking instead of being dps what potion are yall using? i was told to either stay with unbridled fury or go focused resolve just seeing what yall think
left hatch
st Unbridled is superior
in cleave you use flat superior str
and in aoe its the scaling ones
fringe marten
If you are appropriately geared you should be rock solid tanking everything but...weirdly enough; the first boss.
So you just run for max damage.
Which means; Unbridled Fury.
native sage
ahh okay and im 468 so was just checking with yall
native sage
okay appreciates it
fringe marten
And as he said, Focused Resolve is garbo except for I think paladins? And at that it depends on gear I think?
If you're double potting in a fight with Unbridled fury; it will do a noteworthy % of your damage.
fringe marten
Well yeah..because the adds come in 'later' so you get more gain out of Starting with Unbridled, and hitting Empowered Prox later...IE hive mind.
left hatch
but yah you'll prepot fury and 2nd pot empowered prox
fringe marten
Carapace..yup.
left hatch
vex depending on if your transition is clean or not
or if you prepot early to pad
hohum
fringe marten
...'IF" you pad..
left hatch
shh
fringe marten
WHO TF is this guy?
OF COURSE YOU PAD
I'm using merektha fang on Vex and Carapace (it's ..dicey to get that off on carapace) for MAXIPAD!!
cinder roost
mfw I had an [I]nter[S]tellar pull at 77k on Shad and we wipe at 1%
fringe marten
Xanesh..doggo..etc
left hatch
cause so many seem like it would lose hella value
fringe marten
you know da' fights.
cinder roost
I could have played relaxed on that fight for the whole tier ๐
left hatch
cause downtime or add spawns splitting stacks
left hatch
i don't even think its a comparison to TD, just like... anything else
cause without stacking IS drops fast
and only strictly ST fight i can think of in mythic is shad
cinder roost
I played full IS on Xanesh tonight, I also had a 77k pull that was sabotaged, ended up a little less than last week
fringe marten
I had a warrior cotank with me one night in a random heroic pug, he had the 460 BoE shield with Infin Stars 3 on it. Even though I was out damaging him on our class abilities, he was smoking me on parse because of how much ridiculous damage IS would do at the end.
left hatch
rng not fuck you on the void adds?
or they arn't up long enough for it to be a factor
cinder roost
If you kill them fast enough it's ok
left hatch
hmm ok
cinder roost
Some pulls gonna be better than otgers
others*
But it's IS so everypull can be better than others
left hatch
i just see a lot of salivating (esp in dps channels) over IS cause it sims best in ST and is top in blood mallet
without realizing that its way more dependent on rng than even TD the second you add another target to the mix lul
left hatch
just petition blizz to let us use fist weapons
cinder roost
I have the chance to have R4 IS
left hatch
so we can get void lash
fringe marten
Morrison; weather you play a tank or a dps..once you are 'pushing' for dps; safety..logic..consistency..consideration for your raid..that ALL flies out the window. WHAT DA BIGGEST is the goal.
left hatch
see i like that consistency
esp for like... workshop
or high tyr seige
and KR
be interesting to see at what point stat procs would outweigh extra instances of IS, if your additional IS isn't at 475
or if there even is a breakpoint that stat buffs to a 475 IS would ever beat out stacking smoller ilvl versions of it
fringe marten
I can't imagine so. Not in damage; in corruption budget yes. But disregarding corruption limits; you would just stack TD, or IS, or the mind flay crap forever I think.
But since there is a budget, depending on the target number you would set there would be a min/maxed combination assuming 475 gear and every corruption available to you.
I'll be honest with you...
I have a 470 shield, and a 475 belt both with Gushing wound.
...if you could get enough PIECES with wound on it..
holy COW
hoary root
what is the best trinkets i should pair up from the raid? i think i have all of them already.
fringe marten
just the 2 of those pieces were strong as hell on ..? xanesh or dog?
left hatch
Vita + dragonscale
are the best general purpose raid trinks
Vita + Torment if you feel safe
hoary root
for m+?
left hatch
yes
also look into getting Butchers Block at a high ilvl
cause its very strong
esp on necrotic week
fringe marten
If you could get enough gushing wound pieces at 475, I think it would dumpster everything else on single target fights.
For Prot anyway
Wound is stupidly strong for it's corruption cost; you realize you could have 5 Gushing wounds for one Twilight Dev 3/Stars 3..etc.
5 Gushing wounds on 475 pieces would be absolutely disgusting ST damage.
cinder roost
Going by sims, it would do 1k5 more than IS3
left hatch
im more excited for gross stat memes even if they wont outdo TD
fringe marten
The GW bar in details would dwarf every other ability you had by like a factor of 10.
left hatch
imagine a few haste procs with a haste%
perma lust
is it objectively more valuable ? hell no
would it be fun. hell yes
left hatch
yah i can't wait for that slow trickle of 3res a week to add up
fringe marten
I have TD3 and 1 GW piece as my perma setup basically, my standard "this keeps me under 40" set for easy no stress stuff.
3res?
left hatch
i have a TD3 + haste proc 3 on both my HDH and PWar
fringe marten
I would love a haste3...that uptime is so stronk.
left hatch
not the best but can't complain
the downside is the HDH has his td3 on a 410 weapon :l
which is gonna be .... unpleasant until i get it on a diff slot
sharp night
doesn't matter, put it on offhand
offhand literally doesn't matter for dual wield specs
civic holly
hi guys, is gorecrusted on 1.5 min internal but rezans on 1min internal still?
sweet summit
Both have the same rppm, no?
civic holly
well it looks like they have even str/secondary now
civic holly
ty, how do you have that extra tooltip detail thyme?
civic holly
ah ok ty
and how would i go about finding out if they interlock each other out
i cant seem to get them to proc at same time on dummy
mortal brook
they dont
undone sun
they dont
mortal brook
that'd be wild
onyx vessel
I noticed the cloak proc delays attacks
Go to heroic throw charge takes longer cu cloak procs
Time to learn not to heroic throw
urban briar
what essences would u run for 5 mask? solo
do u run vision of perfection or crusible of flame?
cinder roost
CoF
dusty glen
hello I'm not very good but lingering sporepod or vial of animated blood? I have issues to select sometimes (I use humming in other slot
vial 460 sporepods 465 if it makes a difference
urban briar
would u run devistator or booming voice?
dusty glen
Devasator in raids booming in m+
urban briar
in 5 mask vision
cinder roost
Deva
urban briar
tyvm:)
cinder roost
CoF Major - VoP, Formless and w/e probably CnS minor
urban briar
any other tips? i got torment and cyclotronic good play?
cinder roost
Yeah put cyclo
Do you have a Gift tracker?
(for internal CD, not for when you have it on you)
urban briar
no
ionic fern
@dusty glen Vial of animated blood is the better option of the 2.
Just don't waste any of the globals ( especially the first ones) after you pop it.
dusty glen
like use it straight into shield slam
cinder roost
It's good to have, that way you know when it can and probably will proc
dusty glen
or thunderclap if a lot of mobs?
ionic fern
Jeah. ๐
dusty glen
so make sure u have ur defensives up before pop
kinda
is sporepods straight up bad or?
undone sun
yup
cinder roost
@urban briar Also you can reflect Illusion spawning around you if you don't already know
undone sun
dusty glen
fair enough
urban briar
tyvm!
cinder roost
And get a potion helper or a sticker or learn them ๐
onyx vessel
Pretty sure urchin is still better then maut trinket for m+ defensive wise
Free healing
sick sentinel
Maut trinket is just a pretty decent โoh shitโ button if you need it
brittle owl
i mean, so is mchimba
sick sentinel
Thatโs a lul
uneven fern
I am using vial and 
cause I got nothing else :D
strong forum
Yikes
maiden ravine
I'm a sucker for the alchemy trinket
because while not the best, it's never really bad
plus who doesn't like super health pots
hallow phoenix
It was so strong in 8.2 when abyssal healing pots would be like a Lay on Hands
hallow phoenix
Nice huge grats
maiden ravine
there's only 2 leather bracers that drop in ALLLL of Nyalotha
hallow phoenix
maiden ravine
vs 8 trinkets
5 weapons
oh well
we'll see what Paladin gets tomorrow, I also want to try and get a 16 workshop done this week
That place is the definition of free right now
real snow
well ive only got 1800 titan on my prot alt, so I bought shoulder and chest, ended up with helm from darkshore, all 460, but the traits are not what I wanted, so i ended up with 1 bom, 1 DC, 1IF, 1 BFI
on my 450s I had bom x 3
maiden ravine
ilvl is still better
real snow
yeah, im hoping to do more weeklies and over time i will replace with the ones that i want but
maiden ravine
going from even 450 to 465 azerite is a ton of stamina, armor, and strength
real snow
yeah im on 646k hp now
maiden ravine
I need to just pug a heroic raid and get all the azerite to dust
real snow
the shoulders have callous and ruinous bolt on 2nd, do i take callous ?
hallow phoenix
Yes
real snow
ok
hallow phoenix
Those are probably the worst shoulders lol
sharp night
every key is so free this week
real snow
yeah i know ... i'll do a weekly this week anyway and next rest i hope to replace that shit
hallow phoenix
KR hurts
real snow
i have KR 10
maiden ravine
I feel so lucky that I got Great Unifier shoulders, and Sea Brawler's as my first two 475 azerites
hallow phoenix
What shoulders are those kyle
maiden ravine
Bloodsport, BoM, Unstable, and Vampiric is what I picked on it
real snow
so i took concoction on helm
hallow phoenix
Where are they even from
maiden ravine
King's Rest
hallow phoenix
Concoction is main stat proc?
maiden ravine
Helm is from Freehold
My last 465 piece on the prot set is the ToS chest
Literally I just need trinkets and I'll be a beast haha
maiden ravine
what makes the mechagon chest good?
hallow phoenix
BoM, clockwork heart, OP, and I forget the the other
maiden ravine
I'm personally spoiled by vampiric speed
hallow phoenix
Clockwork heart is 1600 stats on about 25% uptime
hallow phoenix
Ashvanes is probably better but the two are so close in value to me that I won't bother buying another chest
And mechagon one is bis for raids
Sims higher than anything else
hallow phoenix
Yeah
One nice thing about heart is you can know when it procs
And having it at the start of a pull is very nice
maiden ravine
how far behind would like the Temple Chest be?
hallow phoenix
Is that desert guardian
maiden ravine
yeah
hallow phoenix
BoM and BfI?
maiden ravine
BoM, with either DC or CR
maiden ravine
I know CR isn't amazing, but every bit of Damage Reduction can help
hallow phoenix
It definitely lags behind the better options but by no means is it bad
maiden ravine
I mostly like it cause of VS
I heal like 45k HP every time something dies right now. ๐
hallow phoenix
I would just take the DC and take other traits on your helm/ shoulder
maiden ravine
it's an equal trade
If I took DC on the chest I'd get Dagger in the Back on the helm
hallow phoenix
Never take that
ionic fern
@hallow phoenix pretty sure mecha sims same as Vex.