protection

[tame garden]

O

Nice

I get it now

[strong forum]

And you taunt back after 2nd dissolve

🤷

[craggy harness]

only thing i don't remember is if there's enough time

to get 2 intercepts back

before next combo

[sick spindle]

You only need one intercept and one taunt?

[tame garden]

Ye shouldnt ever need 2 intercepts

[craggy harness]

guess i'm thinking you're offtanking and get crush crush disolve

but that's fixed by not being off tank i guess

[sick spindle]

Intercept, taunt, maintank taunts back.

[tame garden]

👏

[craggy harness]

so its not a big deal with one dissolve stack and tanking

[sick spindle]

Not in my experience, but my experience is shallow

Doublestacked tanking sucks

Just always intercept the first thing you want to go on you. That way you can save taunt for either the second stack, or for taking the boss on you if your maintank gets 2 stacks.

[craggy harness]

wouldn't it be better the other way around?

oh wait duh

the entire point was not taunting

if lucky

[sick spindle]

Then you wouldn't be able to take the boss 🙂

[craggy harness]

well,

if you taunt first

it should come off cd

by the last

[sick spindle]

Well, we still have heroic leap.

[craggy harness]

point is

we have the tools to take all crushes

[sick spindle]

Yes. Or crush + boss.

[crude light]

thank you boyz 🙂

So basicly all in all

The monk starts,the boss casts crush i intervene him take the crush he taunts for the disolve and if its second crush i taunt back and if its disolve it stays for him?

[sick spindle]

He doesn't have to taunt for dissolve. He doesn't lose aggro.

[crude light]

yeah true

[sick spindle]

And that's it, yeah 🙂 You can taunt after the second dissolve if they need you to. To give them some breathing room while handling 2 stacks.

[brisk night]

Hello everyone. Returning to prot for m+ heroic raid farms. Doez the essence combo change frkm raid to m+? For m+ i typically run vision major (lucid for very specific keys/pulls) aeigis/null/corruption resist

[crude light]

Depends from the weak tho and how high the keys are.

Week*

For Fortified i am using-> Vision as Major. Aegis,Anima(since i have TD),Strenght of the warden

Sometimes i change the anima to Null

[grand spruce]

How bad are the changes to td?

[exotic spoke]

I wouldn’t use anima or null

As minors in M+

[crude light]

For Tyrannical 18s 19s i am going with EP essence (forgot the name.. with the dmg red every 45 sec) or with Vision Again. For minor i am going for SotW/Conflict/Vision(if i am using the EP one)

[nimble cosmos]

its stop MDI shenanigans ozzy, do not seem relevant for most people who dont pull +6 mobs all the time.

[crude light]

Why you would use anima as minor?

I need raw hp for the TD

wouldnt*

[exotic spoke]

CnS lucid or sphere would be significantly better options.

I also wouldn’t us undying gift except maybe in ML 20+ tyrannical

Because the damage increase from the HP is minor and it provides very very little survivability increase

[crude light]

For example this week-> fortified teeming quaking

what would u use?

[tame garden]

Visions major conflict aegis lucid minors

[exotic spoke]

Vision major. Conflict and strife, Lucid, and since I need corruption resistance formless void. If I didn’t need corruption resistance I’d use Sphere or Aegis

[crude light]

Is it worth to use CnS when its rank 1?

[tame garden]

No

[exotic spoke]

Rank 2 yeah probably. Rank 1 no

[crude light]

So instead of the CnS what would u recommend?

[exotic spoke]

Sphere / aegis / lucid / cns - pick three of those

If you need corruption resist you use formless. So those 5 are your normal go tos

[warm plinth]

Like just as a comparison:
Anima gives what, 50k HP? So if you have T3 TD, you're gaining 9000 damage per proc when it's probably doing like 135,000 damage non-crit. Meanwhile, C&S gives you 440 vers (more than that with higher neck but going off what I have) which is 5.17% damage which would be an additional almost 7,000 damage on each TD proc non-crit.

But it also increases all of the rest of your damage as well

[exotic spoke]

And the vers increases your survivability

[crude light]

Yeah but i dont have cns 2 or 3

I guess lucid or aegis will be

[strong forum]

And vers increases all dmg, not just TD

[exotic spoke]

Right, so use one of the other ones I listed

[strong forum]

Picking anima for 1 of your many damage sources is pepega

[warm plinth]

Most other essences would have similar results because you're focusing on increasing 20% of your damage rather than 80% of it

Or 100% of it

[crude light]

okey okey thank you 😄

[exotic spoke]

Like I said, I personally use Undying gift for high tyrannical ML keys - but that’s really it.

[warm plinth]

I'll use you for high tyrannical ML keys

[exotic spoke]

It doesn’t provide enough for other situations. And even in ML I’m swapping cause my group swaps to single target dps

[strong forum]

Haven't seen a ML key in weeks

[exotic spoke]

I’m liking ML this season

[strong forum]

All the keys we're getting are KR FH and WCM

For like 3 weeks straight

That's all I've seen

1 day we did 3 kr 18s back to back to back

Cuz we had nothing else

Gimme back key deletion....

[hallow phoenix]

Not having to pray for good death skips in ML makes it such a good key

[strong forum]

Ye

[exotic spoke]

If you look up my io page you’ll see that there’s a distinct difference in the keys I haven’t seen in a while

[tame garden]

Key deletion was so fun

[strong forum]

1 is very apparent on my page

Shrine done - 0

🙃

[tame garden]

Fucking trash company blizzard doesnt care about fun tho

[strong forum]

Ya idk why they reverted that

It was the best thing in all of bfa

Low-key

[tame garden]

😦

[exotic spoke]

Shrine is basically free now

[jolly thistle]

Shrine still sucks in teeming weeks

[exotic spoke]

The first week that 15s dropped 465s I did like 41 dungeons 15+. I didn’t see a single UR key at 15+ - not even in my group that we didn’t use and we cycled a bunch

Haven’t done it yet, but idk, I don’t think it’ll be that bad

[tame garden]

Everything sucks on teeming

Shit affix

[exotic spoke]

I know we have AD, FH, junkyard, and UR

[warm plinth]

I should get KSM this week; finally got an AD

[exotic spoke]

Imagine being a booster and not having KSM

Shameful display

[sand egret]

@ionic fern here's my stat distrib, should I stack more leech or am I fine at this cap?

[amber siren]

[tame garden]

[exotic spoke]

I hate you blade

I don’t go into guardian chat and meme

Oh wait.....

[tame garden]

🐻 👍

[exotic spoke]

Speg

I ❤️ you

But heck you for your luck

[tame garden]

H8ers gonna h8

[sick sentinel]

Hello

Did someone say leech

[strong forum]

Needs more vers bladesong

Since we all know

Vers increases healing done 👍

[tame garden]

Vers is the secret to immortality

[sick sentinel]

I am a fan of avoidance

[exotic spoke]

Indestructible

[sick sentinel]

Boss can’t kill me if I avoid him

[exotic spoke]

If your items don’t take durability loss - did you really die?

[strong forum]

Indestructible best tertiary

Ye I stack so much avoidance I don't even enter the raid

[exotic spoke]

Zing

[tame garden]

I like the raid

Just too much trash

Also I died like 3 times to trash last night on my warrior

[hallow phoenix]

Just giga pull trash

[exotic spoke]

I’m hoping to get hive mind tonight. Then I guess we’re going to shadhar or what’s the other boss people do after the first 3

[hallow phoenix]

It goes by quick

Xanesh

I suggest dog after hive

[strong forum]

Wait riki raiding again

?

[exotic spoke]

Yeah xanesh

[strong forum]

I thought you were on my side

[sick sentinel]

Shadhar is just nut for 4 minutes and boss dies

[exotic spoke]

Yeah Nome. I found a home pretty quickly.

I prefer M+. I’m enjoying raiding with my new guild - but I raid to facilitate M+ pushing

[tame garden]

I enjoyed xanesh prog

[strong forum]

I hate randoms too much to even try a new guild

[tame garden]

Theres so much prep material for it now

[exotic spoke]

I was surprised we went hive mind first. We’re pretty close

[strong forum]

So we just meme m+

[tame garden]

If your raiders arent monkeys xanesh should be easy

[sick sentinel]

Prep material? Just hit ball in goal

[tame garden]

Theres literally an addon

That let's you practice your kick

Its wild

[tough turret]

whats it called

my guilds need it

[exotic spoke]

Honestly hive mind should have died last week

[tough turret]

they are not messi

[craggy harness]

wut, there's an addon to practice xanesh kicking?

[tame garden]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/xanesh-practice

It's the most

Insane addon

Ever

Seriously

[strong forum]

It's an raid emulator

[tame garden]

Set your soccer groups, make them practice with this

Then its just can you kick the adds

And boss dies

[strong forum]

Literally an emulator in wow

[craggy harness]

in 10 years simc will be inside the game

(This is how the fight will go)

stand here, dps

seriously though neat

[tough turret]

i am gonna try it

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah that addon is nuts

RL made us all download it

But I just use an add-on that draws a line above your character to help aim the ball

Weak Aura*

[tame garden]

Yep between practice addon, ball targeting weakaura, and kick rotation weakaura

[tough turret]

i am tank. i stand afk

[tame garden]

The boss plays itself

[tough turret]

and move boss every 30sek

thats what i do

[hallow phoenix]

Tanks should do soccer

[tame garden]

You can send a tank to do soccer ye

[hallow phoenix]

Trolling if not

[tame garden]

I mean

I didnt put myself in I sent my cotank

Cuz I'm here to parse

[exotic spoke]

Tanks and healers should do soccer

[hallow phoenix]

Parse is separate from prog tho

[exotic spoke]

As long as they don’t need to damage boss to heal*

[hallow phoenix]

Same reason I let my guild put me on Tetris instead of kazoo for our hivemind kill

[exotic spoke]

Tekris the kick?

[hallow phoenix]

No

[tame garden]

No

Kazoo kick

[tough turret]

but on tetriss u have to move

[exotic spoke]

Yeah I’m on kazoo. Just cause fuck dodging + im loud and obnoxious and call the kicks

[tough turret]

on kazoo

u afk

and kick

[hallow phoenix]

Our monk wanted to do the kick for some reason and then demanded to have a shaman do it with him too

[tame garden]

Imagine calling kicks

[craggy harness]

wut

[tame garden]

And not assigning a shaman to solo it

[exotic spoke]

What’s a shaman?

[tough turret]

u should say that. get shaman to kicks

so i can go afk

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah shammy can solo kazoo and organs on ilg

Cause shammy op

[craggy harness]

something about ilg makes me get turned around

and not in the meme song way

[hallow phoenix]

But I have giga tclap damage and they put me in a corner by myself with Tetris

:(

[exotic spoke]

We have a single rsham but we need his GCDs for healing /shrug

We’re only 4 healing it and it’s working for us do idk

[craggy harness]

you should get a kazoo

[tough turret]

mythic?

[craggy harness]

and play tetris theme on voice

[exotic spoke]

Yeah

[craggy harness]

while doing that

[hoary root]

What is the best traits for engineer helm?

[tame garden]

Kicking is off gcd

🤔

[hallow phoenix]

DC and rng

[exotic spoke]

I should say - we need him to pay attention to healing and not kicking Speg

[tame garden]

Fair

[hallow phoenix]

Just macro it

[exotic spoke]

I haven’t had my coffee yet

[hallow phoenix]

Easy

[tame garden]

But ye focus kick macro

Is the move

[final mist]

Does he just not

[tame garden]

Every time your bossmods yell

[hallow phoenix]

/Use [@kazoo] wind shear
/Use heal

[tame garden]

You press kick macro

[final mist]

Understand multitasking?

[tame garden]

Ez clap

[final mist]

👀

[exotic spoke]

But even then, since were only 4 healing it there are periods where he has to commit to healing

I’m not an officer any more so it’s not my problem

[craggy harness]

even target last target should work

since he's just healing frames i assume lol

[tame garden]

/use heal

Lmao

[exotic spoke]

I know - but idk. Not my problem. I just do what I’m told

Lol Speg

[craggy harness]

overheals for 100%, dies

"did my job"

[exotic spoke]

He was kicking them with me and that’s when we had our best pulls.

Lol not really risen

[hallow phoenix]

Recruit an enhance shammy

[craggy harness]

nah, i have more faith in your shaman that

[tame garden]

Hivemind can get fairly heal intensive

[craggy harness]

😛

[hallow phoenix]

Then no excuse

[exotic spoke]

I think it’s just one or two overlaps with heavy damage or something. Like I said - I just do what I’m told

They tell me to call kicks I call kicks

[tame garden]

o7

[exotic spoke]

That’s my role now - to listen and do what I’m told. After raid I’ll bring up suggestions and ideas

[hallow phoenix]

Who was going to dog? Riki?

[tame garden]

Me

And maybe riki if he kills hive

[hallow phoenix]

You're a bear right?

[tame garden]

Yus

[exotic spoke]

We may after hive mind. That or xanesh

He played WOYER for some bosses yesterday

[tame garden]

We killed xanesh on our last pull last night

So we have a full night on dog tmw

[hallow phoenix]

Riki when you get to dog I found the best way to do the tank combo is to have your cotank taunt, intercept any crushes then afk cause you did your job

[exotic spoke]

Wait

[hallow phoenix]

It won't take a full night to get dog

[exotic spoke]

That’s amazing

[tame garden]

Ye were prepping for vex as well

Cuz dog shouldnt take whole night

[hallow phoenix]

You can also taunt if your cotank isn't comfy with boss + 2 dissolve but it's not a big deal

[craggy harness]

read a good book, grab some wine

[hallow phoenix]

I was ripping threat with 2x crush often too. Shad is a joke

[exotic spoke]

BrM is co tank

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah he can handle 2x dissolve plus boss easy

[tame garden]

All this cool intercept stuff

[hallow phoenix]

Just intervene crushes and win game

[exotic spoke]

She’s a solid tank

[tame garden]

Makes me wanna play my war for shadhar

[hallow phoenix]

It's the only way. Fuck taunting on a dime

Just /use [@cotank] intercept

[exotic spoke]

Focus intercept or TOT intercept macros will work

[sweet summit]

Or the same macro u use on tyrann fh
@ targettarget

[hallow phoenix]

You'll have two charges every combo and there's nothing else to intercept that fight

Both of those are less reliable than a simple @name

[exotic spoke]

That’s smart

And yeah

[tame garden]

/use [@crush] intercept

[exotic spoke]

Substitute name for cotank in the macro above yeah?

[hallow phoenix]

Yes

Needs to be their name

[craggy harness]

target of target sounds good too

especially for intercept

[exotic spoke]

It’s what I figured

Speg throwing me off

[hallow phoenix]

He a bear what does he know

[tame garden]

Just play a real rank that can handle either debuff

Smh

[exotic spoke]

I can handle either

[hallow phoenix]

It's not that dissolve hurts

[sweet summit]

Target of target is great in some situations

[exotic spoke]

But like I said earlier

I’m lazy

[hallow phoenix]

It's that we can eliminate taunt swapping

[exotic spoke]

And this sounds easy

[hallow phoenix]

Which is the only way the mechanic fucks up

[tame garden]

Cant you just as easily intercept wrong thing

As taunting wrong thing

Makes no difference really

[hallow phoenix]

I mean... Just don't do that

[tame garden]

I'm just saying it's not any easier

They're equal

[hallow phoenix]

If you fuck up intercept by using at wrong time

You still have your own taunt to fix it

And your cotank has to do nothing with intercept strat

[craggy harness]

well

he has to not be moved

[hallow phoenix]

?

They can move

[full monolith]

Obv it‘s easier: Only the War can fck up - thanks for the strat

[exotic spoke]

If you intercept early and soak a melee you have a back up and taunt

If you intercept the wrong thing the co tank has a taunt because they’re not taunting anything.

It builds into redundancy

[hallow phoenix]

You don't have to be right on them

[craggy harness]

doesn't it require he stay within 10?

[exotic spoke]

I mean you can intercept and not move so it’s aight

[craggy harness]

i mean, it's HARD to move out of range

but i thought there was a range

[hallow phoenix]

^

[exotic spoke]

There is

[tame garden]

Where are they moving to

On shadhar

[exotic spoke]

It’s like 10 yards for the hit

[tame garden]

Lol

[hallow phoenix]

The cast is like 1.5 seconds

[exotic spoke]

But no range if it’s safe guard

[craggy harness]

i know, just the general

[tame garden]

Dont you just stand still

[hallow phoenix]

Like to see them move out of range in that time

[tame garden]

For like 95%

[exotic spoke]

For the DR

[tame garden]

Of the fight

[exotic spoke]

Monks can 🙂

[hallow phoenix]

Don't bring safeguard

[exotic spoke]

Cause #monkthings

[craggy harness]

priest looking at this fight decides to troll

*channel

[exotic spoke]

No I won’t for that. I’m just clarifying the difference between them Tusks

I run safeguard in high keys due to group comp but not for raid

Not always for raid *

[hallow phoenix]

In phase two treat shad like wrath/some dragon where both tanks are in front but spread

So his breath doesn't hit both of you

He doesn't breathe during combo do you're still safe to intervene

[sick sentinel]

Or just let it hit both of you

[tame garden]

^

[hallow phoenix]

My healers raged at me

[sick sentinel]

Tell them to shut up

[tame garden]

Rage back

[exotic spoke]

Makes sense

[sick sentinel]

Healers getting mad is a lul

[tame garden]

😏

[exotic spoke]

Damn near everyone in this game loves me - so chances of someone raging at me are pretty low

Cause I’m Riki and the most humble and friendly person ever!

[sick sentinel]

I have about the opposite effect

On people

[exotic spoke]

If you’re in Gallywix please ignore my most recent starboard comment

[hallow phoenix]

What was it

[exotic spoke]

Not repeatable here

[tame garden]

Jesus christ riki

That is definitely not repeatable here

[sick sentinel]

Are those gamer words

[exotic spoke]

Nope!

No gamer words

[sick sentinel]

So uh

I had a goof on shadhar the other day

And it was hilarious

[hallow phoenix]

What happen

[sick sentinel]

Did not block second crush :^)

[hallow phoenix]

Oof

[tame garden]

📉

[sick sentinel]

and there goes my health bar

[hallow phoenix]

Is that a one shot

[sick sentinel]

Devastator is a real wild ride on that fight if you’re like me and button mash and don’t really pay attention

[hallow phoenix]

Or just hurt

[sick sentinel]

Oh no it deletes you

I was like a 200k overkill

[hallow phoenix]

How do other tanks deal

[sick sentinel]

I’m gonna assume I took that with 0 mitigation

Like

An absolute 0

[tame garden]

Ironfur

[hallow phoenix]

What about bdk

[rose furnace]

At what point do I swap VoP with a more defensive major in M+?

[tame garden]

Bdk dies

[rose furnace]

Tanked a 15 WCM where the trash was punching my butthole the whole time

[sick sentinel]

@rose furnace never

[hallow phoenix]

Do they really need to like vamp blood every double crush

[tame garden]

When you're dieing

And prob not til 20s

[sick sentinel]

Even then

Probably never

[tame garden]

Waycrest trash just be like that

Tell your healer to adjust

[sick sentinel]

Have to coordinate with healer

When healer says they have wings pull whole dungeon

When healer doesn’t have wings don’t pull whole dungeon

[hallow phoenix]

I tried pulling two of those captain packs + witch in 19

Did not go well

[tame garden]

That is

[sick sentinel]

Captains fuck

[sweet summit]

Been there

[tame garden]

Bad idea

Lmao

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah

Wasn't great

[sick sentinel]

The captains will steal your dignity

[tame garden]

Always regret it

[sick sentinel]

And the witch is there to sprinkle in some sadness

[tame garden]

When I try to go big there

[sweet summit]

Woudlve worked out of our boomie didnt typhoon them all behind me

[tame garden]

Just turns into massive kite fiesta

[sick sentinel]

What is kite

If I die

I die

[exotic spoke]

I sent you the comment tusks

But I swear I’m a nice guy

[tame garden]

🔬

[hallow phoenix]

Riki I thought you were like ponyboy

Not this toxic boi

[warm plinth]

Wait

[wintry ermine]

not sure if being wooshed, but double crush doesn't hit for that much that it would one shot

[warm plinth]

Riki is being toxic?

[sick sentinel]

Unless you are topped it probably will

[exotic spoke]

It was in the octagon. There are no rules in the octagon

[sick sentinel]

From 100, no

[exotic spoke]

If you die you die

[sick sentinel]

That is my motto

There is no kite

[wintry ermine]

my fuckups

[sick sentinel]

Only live

[hallow phoenix]

Double crush + being too near the explody add can wreck your hp

[exotic spoke]

That’s about all I said during the conversation.

But it got bad

[wicked mulch]

What's the least bad profile sim a 10-15-ish M+ key in raidbots? HecticAddCleave? DungeonSlice? Trying to figure out whether (which) corruptions are worth dropping (how much) ilvl over, and having a rough time so far.

[hallow phoenix]

6 target patchwerk 2 mins no lust

[warm plinth]

Multi-target Patchwerk

HAC is a joke

Dungeon slice is also not good

[wicked mulch]

Thank you. ❤️

[sick sentinel]

Sometimes I use HAC to feel good 🙂

[hallow phoenix]

What is beastlord

I don't remember

[sick sentinel]

Then I photoshop it as patchwork and link it to guild

[hallow phoenix]

Wow

I'ma do that

Does anyone know if Mr Munchykins stacks or does the duration just refresh

[tame garden]

Wut

[hallow phoenix]

The trinket

[tame garden]

Wut

[hallow phoenix]

The trinket Mr. Munchykins

[tame garden]

[drifting lotus]

morning all

[hallow phoenix]

On use haste

That you can grant other players

Was wondering if it stacked so I can convince a bunch of people to get it and spam on me

For giga avatar

[sweet summit]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=155567/mr-munchykins&bonus=4802

This?

[tame garden]

Wait

[hallow phoenix]

Yes

[tame garden]

It's literally called

Mr munchykins

[hallow phoenix]

Well there's a WQ version rosjen

[tame garden]

What in tarnation

[hallow phoenix]

900 or so haste

[sweet summit]

Oh pog

[hallow phoenix]

Targeted on use

Yes @tame garden and it's cute too

Second best trinket

[tame garden]

📈

[sick sentinel]

Is there a stat difference between M+ and Raids?
I'm a 3k io tank player, but I just stared getting into raid tanking and my single target DPS seems trash as hell

[modest thistle]

Mr munchykins bis?

[sick sentinel]

some people are getting into the mid 40k dps and I'm sitting at 30k?

Like, the rotation isn't different LOL so there must be something?

[hallow phoenix]

There's a rotational difference usually

Well

[brisk rain]

yo, is mechagon shield any good?

[sick sentinel]

I use mecha shield but it has socket and speed so idk

[hallow phoenix]

Single target rotation is used in m+ on bosses too so nvm

For raid DPS it's mostly trinket, azerite, and essence choices

[tame garden]

Only 40k

Hmm

[sick sentinel]

Yea, that's why I'm confused. I have rank 3 TD also

[hallow phoenix]

30k very low if running 3TD

[sick sentinel]

Like, overall in dungeons I'm doing like 60k, but single target I flub and im not sure why

[hallow phoenix]

SS>tclap in single target

Can you post a log or even a details breakdown

[tame garden]

Min max shield block damage increase on shield slams

Let healers deal with the damage

[hallow phoenix]

He doesn't need to 99 parse speg lol

Let him block properly

[tame garden]

:(

[modest thistle]

If you ain’t first you’re last

[sick sentinel]

Well, thats the thing, Im a 3k io player, so like... I want to 99 parse LOL

I just

this is my first season as a prot warrior

so

im kinda new to the whole thing

one sec

[hallow phoenix]

Without logs it will be hard to help

[tame garden]

Just make up advice

Dont forget to bring a towel

[hallow phoenix]

Which fight are you doing less than good DPS on

[sick sentinel]

This was on Mogu Razdunk

single target

[tame garden]

Logs homie

[hallow phoenix]

Who

[tame garden]

Not details screenshots

[sick sentinel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/emerald-dream/fredsthebest#difficulty=5

[hallow phoenix]

Is that a world boss

[tame garden]

Last boss of motherlode lol

[sick sentinel]

Final boss in uhm

Motherlode

[modest thistle]

Need to cast twilight devastation more

[tame garden]

Is that a world boss

[warm plinth]

Did you cast Revenge like 1 time or something?

[hallow phoenix]

I don't know boss names fight me

[warm plinth]

And why are you using Devastator in keys

[tame garden]

I like u tusks

[warm plinth]

Mogul Razdunk is the last boss of ML

[hallow phoenix]

I like you too

[tame garden]

😳

[sick sentinel]

Idk, it seems to be working for me. Booming voice might get me to 4k io

but im good at 3k

[tame garden]

Oh hes a devastator only warrior

[warm plinth]

Uh...you realize you're giving up a 15% damage increase on literally every trash pack right?

[modest thistle]

I think he can read. He can certainly read his io score

Give the boy some credit

[hallow phoenix]

Right away from your shad log you're not using SS enough

[sick sentinel]

Well, I use devistator on tyrannical weeks, and booming on fort weeks. Just forgot to switch

regardless

It feels like its not off cooldown enough

or not reseting enough for some reason

?

Or maybe I am prioritizing Clap more than I should be you think?

[tame garden]

Shield slam is prio for st

[warm plinth]

On ST, probably.

[chrome pecan]

Id have a question I read up top that some rank 1 essences arent worth using

like CnS

[hallow phoenix]

And you should use CoF on most raid fights for damage

[chrome pecan]

if my essences are

wat should I use

[sick sentinel]

Crucible just that good huh

[tame garden]

Ye

[chrome pecan]

e.e

[hallow phoenix]

Bunch of lines, your choices are fine

[modest thistle]

With what you have you’re fine using rank 1s until you upgrade them

[hallow phoenix]

Just try to rank shit up

[modest thistle]

I think

[warm plinth]

Yeah I would agree with that

[chrome pecan]

ye im trying

[warm plinth]

If all you have is R1s, gotta use something

[chrome pecan]

and i switch Aegis and CnS for Formless and Null in raids?

[sick sentinel]

I have all rank 3 essences. What yall reccomend for ST.
I use VoP major.
FOrmless Void, Null DYnamo, and Supression

[tame garden]

Freddy

[warm plinth]

Don't say that

[tame garden]

You should sim if your goal is dps

[sick sentinel]

Well

Thats the thing

I do sim

it says 49k

[modest thistle]

My apologies

[sick sentinel]

and it never gets that close

[hallow phoenix]

Sim top gear

Select your essences

[tame garden]

Can use wowanalyzer

[hallow phoenix]

It will tell you to CoF major

[tame garden]

On your logs

[hallow phoenix]

He's not shield slamming enough

[tame garden]

To see your rotational errors

Made by @sullen valve

He will personally tell you to shield slam more

[hallow phoenix]

Missing some claps too

You probably just aren't filling every gcd, but wowanal will tell you if that's a problem

Also sim is just a benchmark, it's very tough to meet sim DPS in an actual fight usually

[modest thistle]

Wowanal?

[sweet summit]

Wowanalyzer

[hallow phoenix]

That's what I saw mwahi call it so that's what I call it

[modest thistle]

I like it

[sullen valve]

hello

[mental scarab]

To do the sim ST dps you rly need to smash that keyboard to🤓 no resting the fingers

[sullen valve]

what is happening

[sweet summit]

Wowanal

[tame garden]

We are praising your work

[sweet summit]

Wanna join?

[sullen valve]

:)

[modest thistle]

Yea pretty much just anal

[warm plinth]

@sullen valve Please confirm wowA works for prot warriors and should be used to help improve yourself

[modest thistle]

You don’t get a choice

[hallow phoenix]

Confirm/deny

[modest thistle]

Confirm wowanal yay or nay

[sweet summit]

@sullen valve how do i use wowanal and is it reliable?

[sullen valve]

wowA does work for prot warrior. I built it out with the assistance of @ionic fern
It works very well

All you need to use wowA is to have a log link from warcraftlogs that isn't private
and it is very reliable

[hallow phoenix]

It always says I'm bad

Pls fix

[tame garden]

When I grow up I wanna be like abe

Hes so cool

[sick sentinel]

Says I Need to shield slam and thunderclap more

[sweet summit]

Thank you Abe, very cool

[sick sentinel]

both are at 70% for Wrathion

feels bad

Idek how thats possible, feels like im always dpsing that fight rofl

[sullen valve]

All you need to do is to go https://www.https://wowanalyzer.com/, paste your link into the text box, it will load in your fights, select the fight you want to see, select your character, and it will analyze

[hallow phoenix]

Abe does wrathiom account for the downtime

[sullen valve]

We don't do fight specific things normally so it doesn't account for the extra downtime on that fight

[sick sentinel]

ty god

kk

[sullen valve]

you can always just tc out during it though

[hallow phoenix]

Can't ss tho

[tame garden]

Ye tc still generates rage

Even if you hit nothing

[hallow phoenix]

Should be spamming tclap always

[sullen valve]

You can also use timefiltering at the top to view sections of the fight such as removing the downtime

[hallow phoenix]

Get that rage

Oh

[sullen valve]

Rage = ignore pain = not die = healers love you

[hallow phoenix]

Thanks I didn't know about that feature

[tame garden]

Time filtering is relatively new

And by relatively I mean last tier I think

[sullen valve]

its a very a->b type of time filtering not
a-> b -> d

so you can only pick a start point and an end point. It will ignore everything outside of that range but you can't pick multiply fragments of time

[hallow phoenix]

That's okie

Can just pull up multiple of the same page

And filter the parts you want

[sullen valve]

Yup!

Also if you link a specific fight where you already have your character selected it will auto load you in on that fight

[sick sentinel]

Hmmm I think I'm overasting ignore pain

I used ignore pain 35 times, the same amount Im using shield block

[hallow phoenix]

Will wowanal ever have support for corruptions e.g. spell reflecting eye or TfB counts as good usage

[sweet summit]

Youre not overcasting ignore pain if you still have rage for sield block

[sullen valve]

if we look here there are 4 clickable buttons

1. the logo which takes you to the home screen
2. hivemind which is the name of the log and takes you back to fight selection
3. the encounter which takes you back to fight selection again
4. and the character's name which takes you to player selection on that fight

TfB?

[sweet summit]

Thing from Beyond

[sullen valve]

I could add those

[sweet summit]

40+ corruption

[sullen valve]

Yeah. I've just never seen the acronym TfB. I'm a healer by trade so i normally just yell at people who have >39 corruption

[sick sentinel]

Can I ask for yalls IGNs

for reference

?

[hallow phoenix]

I would love to see how much damage I take from eye of corruption or tfb, and not sure if it's possible but seeing how much damage taken from those when spell reflect or cloak is available would be cool

Rofltusks

[sullen valve]

It sounds possible but i'd have to add it :P

but with spell reflect specifically we already have a check to see if you're actually using it when taking mage damage

[sweet summit]

That would conflict?

[drifting lotus]

What is the fastest way to get 100 Shred of Insanity if you're not raiding?

[strong forum]

arena

[sweet summit]

Arena

[viscid radish]

How is Thunderous Blast for us?

[hallow phoenix]

Probably not great

[viscid radish]

It's either another Deaf Crash or Thund Blast

[hallow phoenix]

What are the other options

[tame garden]

2nd dc

[hallow phoenix]

DC for sure

[viscid radish]

Ait, thx

Or Incite the Pack

[tame garden]

Incite

[sweet summit]

^

[viscid radish]

Appreciate you ❤️

[short blaze]

another Week, another useless Cache Drop

[strong forum]

same

got fucking avoidance from haste

and gambled useless helmet

[hallow phoenix]

What helm did you get

[strong forum]

Overseer riot helmet

LITERALLY USELESS for arms and compared to engi helmet quite meh for prot

[sweet summit]

But it has tradewinds :^)

[drifting lotus]

lol @strong forum - i showed you that helm and you said it wasn't terrible 😛 - it's been downgraded to useless now

[craggy harness]

nah it still isn't terrible

it doesn't hurt you 😛

riiiight?

[drifting lotus]

i mean, it's better than wearing nothing. i'll keep using my 465 over it though

[exotic spoke]

Trekie he said “useless for arms”

And meh for prot

It’s not bad for us, and the ILvl matters. It’s just not ideal

And this is why I’m saving now. To avoid more disappointment

[tame garden]

Yes

Saving is bis

[exotic spoke]

Random first then save

[drifting lotus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/684519688461746318/684527560532689046/unknown.png

[exotic spoke]

I only didn’t random my helm cause I have a really solid one

[tame garden]

Tho maybe I shoulda gambled

My loot luck insane this tier

[exotic spoke]

Do you have another DC trekie?

[drifting lotus]

yeah

[exotic spoke]

Yeah I’d use it

[drifting lotus]

i switched that DC to HoD

really

[exotic spoke]

Yeah

Iron fortress is solid - especially if you have a lower Ilvl shield. 15 ilvls of strength Stam and armor are good too

It’s solid. Not ideal but an upgrade none the less imo

[drifting lotus]

hmm

[tame garden]

You're an upgrade riki

[exotic spoke]

Thanks qtpie Speg

#SpegforReg

[tame garden]

📈

[strong forum]

Ye @drifting lotus its useless for arms, and I already have 480 engi helmet for prot which is better

I could maybe use it for pvp

But thats about it

[inland mesa]

I got mythic ra'den chest last night :-/ I can't get vex chest or skitra shoulders to save my life :(

[nimble brook]

scrap it for 1000 residuum back

[edgy bone]

Is this good for us?

just got it from my 4 dungeon box

[sweet summit]

Uh

Its very good

Like very very good

[craggy harness]

pretty much have to get the same ring with a socket or ilvl +5 to throw away

oh sorry +15

ie: m nzoth?

lol

[sweet summit]

Pretty much never replace

[strong forum]

Na that ring is an easy cleanse

[sweet summit]

👀

[strong forum]

😏

[sweet summit]

😉

[craggy harness]

trolleratur is troll

[strong forum]

Never

I would never troll

[craggy harness]

true

not enough leach tho

right?

[strong forum]

Many serious man here

Na avoidance corruption is best

[brisk rain]

is mechagon shield any good?

[sweet summit]

Worst one

[brisk rain]

or should i get one with 2x stats?

[sweet summit]

But if its your highest ilvl one use it

[brisk rain]

ye, its 25 ilvl upgrade xD

[drifting lotus]

@edgy bone == troll

[sweet summit]

Yuge upgrade

[edgy bone]

man im just hapopy

i havent gotten any good corruption loot on any of my guys

in

all 6 weeks since patch

@drifting lotus arent you the guy who got r3 mindflay

[craggy harness]

Hmm, don't see that everyday

hmm, now that i can read it on a normal wow background

discord broke

Really broke. Weird

Wait. Is the website broken

Just tried reinstalling and XML errors there too

[grand spruce]

Wait. You can get 470 nzoth and carapace gear from that quest?

[sweet summit]

Ye

[craggy harness]

heroic gear is heroic gear

[grand spruce]

Bloody hell

[chrome pecan]

formless void only triggers off an ally using an active essence right?

a VoP proc doesnt count

?

[drifting lotus]

@edgy bone I am - cleansed that shit

[carmine wadi]

Gambled and won 💯

[exotic spoke]

@chrome pecan correct - active essence only

[marble cipher]

Pog, that helm 🤤

[sage path]

That’s a thicc head

[exotic spoke]

You got lucky as shit @carmine wadi

[craggy harness]

It’s people like you that make the rest of us gamble and lose

[marble cipher]

Haha

[craggy harness]

Bloody enabler

[tame garden]

^

[marble cipher]

I'm staying strong, haven't gambled this patch...... yet

[craggy harness]

Gambled once for chest

Lost, so saving now

[sage path]

I’ve gambled 7 heads and got triple repeats of the two worst helms.

[craggy harness]

Especially since got carapace shoulders

[tame garden]

That's why you dont gamble

[marble cipher]

7 gambles?! What key level do you do for that amount of TR?!

[tame garden]

Gambling this tier is giga trolling

Raid azerite is so good

To tide you over while you save

[sage path]

21, mostly from Island Maps.

[marble cipher]

Hm, here I am with my 16's 😂

[sage path]

Don’t raid either, get a lot of Azerite from PvP at 475

[tame garden]

Ah

Yeah if you dont raid it's a different story

[sage path]

Yeah... failed trial cuz no IS

[marble cipher]

F

[sage path]

Then got depressed ;-;

DH main LOL

[carmine wadi]

First gamble on head for me

Chest and shoulders were bis for arms and shit for prot but now I was lucky on helmet

[sage path]

My tank wants to cleanse Searing Flame weapon for Rank 5 IS, is that worth? He struggles in Visions LOL...

I don’t know why tanks would wear IS.

[tame garden]

Searing flame is meh

[inland mesa]

IS isn't great for visions, ok on single target fights

I cleansed my searing flame but I had 4 ranks of TD

I missed a 475 TD 2 hivemind ring last night as I was on my monk since our healing monk was late and we had no one else with the debuff 😢

[rapid belfry]

Is the 1h from wrathion good for m+? Wondering if I should bonus roll it or not, dont have TD or anything

[inland mesa]

it's basically a TD 1 that takes 30 globals to activate

so if all your other corruption is terrible, it's ok

[strong forum]

just got nzoth helmet from weekly quest

FUCK YE

lamo fucking red

[warm plinth]

You're a n'zoth helmet

[sick sentinel]

Is weekly giving heroic?

[strong forum]

yup

[craggy harness]

oh for the days where if you killed x number of raid bosses, it would give you next tier

[warm plinth]

I thought that was only ever for the mission table quests

[craggy harness]

hmm, maybe

[tame garden]

Man

[craggy harness]

those too

[tame garden]

Bfa sucks

[craggy harness]

😛

[tame garden]

Thanks for triggering my depression

Legion classic when

[craggy harness]

look at your profile pic

how can you be depressed

[drifting lotus]

Man. i am going to gamble again - in 2 weeks. fml

[craggy harness]

after those eyes

[tame garden]

uwu

Dont gamble

Save

Save and buy your way to happiness

[craggy harness]

fool

true happiness is found in the giving to others

[tame garden]

[wooden radish]

@warm plinth yooooo

[edgy bone]

anyone here tank with Razor coral?

[west kayak]

Two weeks ago I gambled and got Kraken, this week I gambled and I got Ashvanes. Not sure I want to push my luck on helm, I have the Engi one now.

[edgy bone]

@west kayak what engi one

[west kayak]

Engineering.

[edgy bone]

yeah but which exact ones

gearspun?

orthoganol

[tame garden]

Pls nerf razor coral

I dont want to use it anymore

[sweet summit]

The 480 engi helmet

I guess

[edgy bone]

speg is razor coral actually legit on prot warrior

[sweet summit]

For raids yea

[tame garden]

Idk I play bear lmao

[edgy bone]

why only raids and not M+

[sweet summit]

Its shit in m+

[edgy bone]

but why

[sweet summit]

You gotta do too much for mediocre value

[rigid sinew]

cause u cant stack it

[edgy bone]

ahh

[rigid sinew]

effectively at least

[edgy bone]

So I have the Nzoth trinket

[sweet summit]

Its not worth the hasslw

[edgy bone]

What else should I be shooting for? humming dragonscale?

[sweet summit]

Scale/rezan/vita/block

[drifting lotus]

I'm going to push hard for rezan this weekend

[edgy bone]

Is it that good?

[sweet summit]

Very

[edgy bone]

hmm

[grizzled glen]

Not the most ideal week for AD so I wish you all the luck

But then again, it kinda never is this season

[edgy bone]

So Rezan = 15 seconds out of every minute you have extra haste

[sweet summit]

No

[tame garden]

Scale + block is my ideal trinkets

[left hatch]

have a group member sacrifice their life to pull away from the mid and double honor gaurd obelisks

and AD is easy

[tame garden]

For m+

[left hatch]

only reason its harder this season is the pseudo necesity to fight those 2 packs

[sweet summit]

Rezan has a chance to proc big haste. Dont know the rrpm tho u might be right

[drifting lotus]

i think it might be the play to pull center and snap it this week

[chrome pecan]

psure humming is better than rezan tho

it procs wayyy more

[sweet summit]

Less haste more uptime

[edgy bone]

humming is easy to get

[left hatch]

its uptime is higher but its value is lower

they're about equivilant

[edgy bone]

i swear 5 drop every time you kill wrathion

[chrome pecan]

i have both ngl i use animated blood tho

[left hatch]

i really dislike vial

its a pain to have manual on use's

[sweet summit]

I cant get vial to sync well with avatar anymore

[chrome pecan]

^

thats the main prob

lol

but it stills makes u a fucking war machine

[sweet summit]

So i use vita rezan

[chrome pecan]

but vial is mainly offensive so

[left hatch]

if you use it manually*

if you macro it to ava its a really bad trinket

and a lotta ppl just macro it

[rigid sinew]

u use vial with avatar and demo

[chrome pecan]

^

[rigid sinew]

simple

[sweet summit]

Kinda

[left hatch]

but you have to manually use it lol

[sweet summit]

But not really that simple

[left hatch]

simple =/= annoying

[rigid sinew]

yuge dam

[sweet summit]

Fax

[chrome pecan]

its either 455 vial or 430 Rezan or 430 Lingering spods

[sweet summit]

Sporepods

[left hatch]

yikes

[sweet summit]

Yike

[chrome pecan]

or 455 howler but that sucks

ya

[rose furnace]

[chrome pecan]

thats what im saying

[sweet summit]

Jes is ait

[left hatch]

at least howler you can macro

its not awful

so if you wanna turn brain off

[chrome pecan]

i dont have many good tirnkets

E.E

[sweet summit]

Sync it with mage combust

LARGE

[rigid sinew]

not having block

[left hatch]

more like not having Vita

[chrome pecan]

whats block

e.e

[rigid sinew]

true

[left hatch]

butchers block

[rigid sinew]

[chrome pecan]

ah

[rose furnace]

Not running heroic humming scales and vita

[west kayak]

I got a 460 Torment in a Jar, seems to be quite decent.

[sweet summit]

Ye torment is good dam

[rose furnace]

I get so much haste with avatar up the tclap is almost a .75 sec CD

[rigid sinew]

double haste trinkets weirdchamp

[sweet summit]

[left hatch]

why would'nt you go double haste

[sweet summit]

Y u make fun of the haste dream

[left hatch]

more TD procs

not hitting cap

zoom zoom

[rigid sinew]

having td

[rose furnace]

More haste is more speed

[sweet summit]

I must clap faster

[rigid sinew]

my tclap overall does more with block than dragonscale

(still using vita)

[tame garden]

When was this added

[sweet summit]

Crit is great for aoe damage

[left hatch]

what one comes out on top for dps purposes is gonna vary person to person

[sweet summit]

Week or two ago, speg

[tame garden]

When can we use outside emotes

[rigid sinew]

is best

[left hatch]

i already have omegacrit* so my 465 block isn't as good as mythic scale

[sonic tangle]

Mmmtoes

[sweet summit]

When mwahi overthrows the server

[sonic tangle]

Oh you corrected it feelsbaf

[rigid sinew]

oh my block is 475

[rose furnace]

Not using ,

[tame garden]

[sweet summit]

[rigid sinew]

[rose furnace]

[strong forum]

[tame garden]

@ionic fern

[ionic fern]

Yeees

Busy getting ready to wipe on Xanesh.

[sweet summit]

Solotanking?

[ionic fern]

Nah

We just suck at football.

[sweet summit]

😂

[exotic spoke]

[mortal brook]

kicked on xanesh for the first time yesterday. never failed. idk how the hell team 2 even fails 20 times in a row like wtf

its the same position every time O.o

[sweet summit]

Its 50/50 man
You either hit or you miss

Bad rng what can you do

[final mist]

👀

[mortal brook]

you can line the shot every time tho

[final mist]

I can’t tell if that was sarcasm or not and that concerns me

[sweet summit]

Ahaha sorry, im joking

[mortal brook]

and yet it def feels like xanesh is a 20 pull reprog from here until shadowlands weekly lol

[rose furnace]

During our raids I'll hit my airhorn button that broadcasts through VoiceMod when we get the ball in the goal

It triggers one of our healers but everyone else loves it

[ionic fern]

WEll..that's a nr 1 candidate for "Mute" from me.

[final mist]

I put on a background video of those soccer matches from the World Cup with the air horns on while fighting xanesh

[mortal brook]

that'd be fun the first time

[final mist]

Puts me in the zone

The ones where everyone in the crowd has a horn and it’s just VRVRVRVRVRVRVRVRVRVEVRVRVRVR for the entire time

[exotic spoke]

It’s all about immersion. So I approve of your tactic

Personally I could see hockey as well

[final mist]

Every time my squad goes all I can hear are Spanish football casters too

[exotic spoke]

GGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[final mist]

“GOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLL”

[tame garden]

Lol

[sweet summit]

Lmao

[exotic spoke]

Should make a custom WA for that

[tame garden]

@ionic fern

[ionic fern]

I like when one of the kickers says randomly "F*ck" and you know you're all doomed.

[tame garden]

Yup

Fun boss

[terse oasis]

or "just move.. no the other.. it's.. just.. fuck"