Can we get that one something similar pinnrd
#protection
everytime this comes up
dense plaza
I wish I could check the pins lol
modern brook
If ur optimizing for. 25+ it's on a per dungeon basis
Generally if u have to ask you dont have to worry about it
nimble brook
mwahi already pinned a gdoc about essences
modern brook
Ie: verse is more useful than say mast in a tyr momload
dense plaza
ok thanks
fringe marten
If you have multiple items with gushing wound, I assume the damage just stacks up, proc frequency doesn't change?
warm plinth
That's how the others work, yeah
fringe marten
or do you now have 2 independent gushing wound procs, but the dots stack if they both trigger?
fringe marten
Got a 475 Gushing wound belt...actually not mad at it~ I always assume I'm gonna' get screwed by the weekly bounty box.
fringe marten
Because it is Brolik
fringe marten
If you want damage..you know the answer, if you want defense...you know the answer.
(in case you are wondering, the amount of damage you get from Iron fort is very minimal..you'd think it does more but it really doesn't)
modern brook
Block op go if imo
azure sapphire
How does Overwhelming power work in tank spec? do you lose the stacks too fast for it to be relevant in m+?
modern brook
Atack loss from dps intake is capped at 1ppm
So you lose stacks a second
2*
Still v goos
tame garden
Nice typing
azure sapphire
thanks bull.
drifting lotus
i don't understand what bull is saying
warm plinth
@tame garden Thank you for rubbing it in that I don't have Unguent Caress
tame garden
😂
shy yoke
I got a 470 helmet with awful traits, which one do I pick a second [Brace for Impact] or [Iron Fortress]? mostly for keystones
limpid pawn
iron fortress for sure
yo anyone here use ineffable truth?
my belt has it
i haven't really kept track of how often it procs and whatnot, but it seems like it's huge for defense
left hatch
its not
every time it procs it reduces your cds as much as 1 IP does with Anger Management
and its.. 1ppm irrc
every stat proc, even mastery is better for defence
cinder storm
Where do you guys tank the last boss of ML, on top of a safe spot or close to a safe spot? I normally tank it close to the safe spot facing away from the dps so I would like to know what is the best way to go about it
warm plinth
We tank him on the stairs with the DPS/healer outside on the steps, and the tank on the inside
No reason to move for the heatseeker because it doesn't really do any significant damage
And you just move out for gatling gun and back on the steps after
exotic spoke
Honestly I move him. We originally decided we didn’t want to get fucked if they ever fix the safe spots but that never happened and we’ve just never re-evaluated
warm plinth
Only thing if you use the steps is that you have to make sure your whole group is on the platform (not on the steps) when he jumps out at the end or he'll reset (which really isn't hard)
cinder storm
Thanks for the input, both seem better than using the regular safe spots, I was worried about quaking and rdps stacking on top of each other
warm plinth
Uhh, I might have a VoD from earlier in the season/last season. The strat hasn't really changed.
Idk quaking has never been a huge issue; there's plenty of room on the steps to spread out if needed
cinder storm
It can be for me as I normally pug, I feel that I have a magnet on me, people always stack on me during quaking so my experience is that of being overly cautious whenever is possible
warm plinth
@limpid pawn https://youtu.be/PzrUSjAGHd0?t=2353 From last season but we do the exact same thing now
@cinder storm If anything, they'd be stacking on each other because with the stairs the tank isn't even standing in the same spot as everyone lse
everyone else*
cinder storm
Thanks @warm plinth that video is super helpful
drifting lotus
You guys didn't time your key @warm plinth 😛
warm plinth
Nah that was like, right at the end of the season.
So that was our higher keys. We did some 19s and a couple of 20s but we weren't super consistent yet. We're getting better this season though 🙂
Already back to that point
drifting lotus
nice!
wheat talon
If I'm running 24% versatile corruption is versatile navigation better than force multiplier?
warm plinth
Uh...typically you base the corruption you run on the stats you have. How much vers do you have with the corruption?
drifting lotus
gah - want to be done with work so i can go play 😦
wheat talon
Like 2200 with cns up
warm plinth
Typically as you get more of a stat, it's less likely you'll want it. If you're concerned about damage, I'd sim it. If you're concerned about survival, then force is probably still better since it's going to be more total stats most likely
round vortex
Rank 2 Stars! Ty chest lol
warm plinth
lusty grotto
time to open my chest of disappointment
drifting lotus
go leech!
lusty grotto
😬
grizzled glen
anyone know the proc rate for the vers corruption
mortal brook
Should be abiut 50% uptime
Can be Less on a taunt swap boss where you dont have full tanking uptime
warm plinth
No, Masterful is % mastery
lusty grotto
so worse?
warm plinth
Probably worse than Masterful but hard to say since it would be based on how many Bastions you have and shit
Either way, mastery is meh
lusty grotto
well i have 3 bastions since i havent bought any azerite yet
mortal brook
45% uptime or so
lusty grotto
yo ghash
remote python
what do you think?
warm plinth
Hi Nim 👋
lusty grotto
does crafted gear have a chance to get corruptions?
or nah
and why in the goddamn fuck do i have to go back to vashjir to get mats
warm plinth
Nah, I'm like 95% sure it can't corrupt
mortal brook
No it cant
hallow phoenix
How badly can I expect zul to hurt in an 18 KR this week
thinking of bringing null minor just for him
winged grail
Well
That's how badly a Zul 16+ fortified hurts (turn music on and enjoy my tanking)
(week 1 😅 but still gold)
winged grail
I did :p
hallow phoenix
now im scared
winged grail
Don't be scared, that was week 1 😄
hallow phoenix
might be best to just fucking zone out and swap to undying for him if there's time
hallow phoenix
got darkness, ironbark, whatever else druids do
and a second rally
445 urchin vs 465 rezan for this?
never done a KR this high 😦
sick sentinel
KR is easy mode now with obelisks
cinder storm
Spam IP, SR, rotate CDs, Pray
sick sentinel
If your group is good, zul isn’t hard
hallow phoenix
pug :^)
hallow phoenix
my healer is a guildy! so thats good
sick sentinel
Hpal is particularly strong on zul imo
wild sandal
can we spell reflect the damage from thing from beyond?
hallow phoenix
yes
sick sentinel
Yes
wild sandal
cool thanks
sick sentinel
Can hero zul as well this week
jolly coral
Hello, i've a question, i've Humming Black Dragonscale, Edicts of the Faithless Vita and Shadow from Ra-Den, and vial all in H, what are the best choices for tanking NYA?
sick sentinel
You have both trinkets from ra den?
mortal brook
Prob vita dragonscale. Dont know your ilvls. Feel free to sim to verify
karmic onyx
I can't decide if I should cleanse the shield or the weapon. I think the shield may be the right way to go, but I'm hoping someone can learn me on the right one.
warm plinth
What kind of uptime do you get on the procs?
karmic onyx
idk how to track the corruption uptime
sharp night
details -> buffs -> look for buff name
haste one is called racing pulse
crit is deadly momentum
karmic onyx
Racing pulse was 30%, haven't had the ability to use the weapon yet
Are you saying if one ahs a higher uptime, I should go with that?
warm plinth
Not necessarily. Just wanted to see which one was giving you more stats on average
maiden ravine
3 hours til I get to go home and open all my caches
warm plinth
Brace
warm plinth
Probably socket
tender phoenix
which is the better? ( icyveins says to double stack strength gems, should I?)
warm plinth
Socketed one. You can sim for DPS but I typically don't use the 80 str gem, just the 120
tender phoenix
so better to use the 120 and stack mad hastes
warm plinth
Generally that's what I do 🙂
daring marlin
warm plinth
RIP you
fringe marten
Anyone know what the % or the quantity of Chest pieces from the azerite residuum vendor are with Bastion of Might? And possibly for the other slots as well?
...2 out of the 3 4700 azerite pieces I've bought have utterly screwed me; no BoM..so they just get sold right back. Absolute Fkn garbage..
..has anyone ever toyed with chestplate of the deep denizen..is that 'secrets of the deep' droplet collection garbage worth ever bothering with?
wheat talon
In season 3 all my pieces had bom, in s4 less than half of them have, there are so many azerite pieces that it's really hard to say for sure without spending a lot of time on wowhead
I'm really glad I went for 460 pieces first, but I'm also using all 3 specs
fringe marten
well I have a solid helm, the 475 raid shoulders, and 465 raid chest...the raid chest has all excellent traits so the 480 HAS to have BoM for me to even think about it.
wheat talon
With secrets of the deep I would do a few m+ or a raid with it, and log it, and see what the uptime is
If you can get decent uptime then it's probably pretty good, but if you don't or it makes you fail mechanics, then definitely not
fringe marten
Yeah I spec'd it..gonna' tinker with it. Traditionally every time I hear people mention it someone says they tried it and hated it; anything you have to go 'collect' is probably not fantastic as a tank.
hoary root
anybody know if the ring of synergy that says target heals below 50% health. Does it work for self healing for tanks?
modest thistle
From the way it’s worded it should work on any “heal” cast on any target below 50%. I don’t know if that might include things like ignore pain I don’t have it so I couldn’t tell you
warm plinth
In either case, prot warrior kinda makes it a habit of NOT dropping below 50% health, so even if it does proc off of IP or Victory Rush (which I feel like it should), it still wouldn't proc particularly often.
jaunty otter
Should I always be taking an ilvl upgrade or should I stick with something 10 ilvls lower for the versatile corrupt?
warm plinth
Corruptions make some things a hard decision but defensively you still typically want ilevel
jaunty otter
I was leaning towards that, thank you
wheat talon
@fringe marten I personally think anything you have to actively interact with is a bad idea unless you are bored with the content you're doing. I would probably enjoy wearing something like that to have an extra little game to play if I was tanking normal or an m<10 for friends
warm plinth
Secrets of the Deep is the one with the orbs that spawn right? and you get stats or something if you pick it up and it stacks?
wheat talon
Your spells and abilities have a chance to create a Surging Droplet nearby. Collecting it increases your primary stat by 442 for 18 sec.
Rarely, a Void Droplet will be created, increasing your primary stat by 870 for 18 sec instead.
warm plinth
Ah, yeah iirc the droplets can spawn in like...really inconvenient places
wheat talon
Yeah that sounds fun if I'm doing content that bores me
I really wish I had thought of that when I was farming heroic workshop for the mount recipe
jaunty otter
Also, I read on wowhead that sockets are worth more than ilvl. Is this true? a gem doesn't seem worth that much
left hatch
5ilvls on some gear
10-15 on rings
gear secondaries scale really slowly, and (esp for dps) you get to a point where mainstat becomes less and less valuable in comparison
so gems are a big deal
esp on rings where the secondary gain from a socket gives more stat (excluding stam) than ~15 ilvls
jaunty otter
Ah I see. Thanks, that's helpful
wheat talon
I had been considering a socket to be worth 10-15ilvls based on things I read
I'm gonna do more research now
wheat talon
Fair
wheat talon
Though armor doesn't do anything to help magic damage, which is the vast majority of what actually kills me
left hatch
if you're not at like 20 range
then its most likely misplaying
missing a kick/stun
and upwards of that a socket isn't going to save you
wheat talon
Fair
left hatch
a smidge more haste/verse/crit is just going to help smooth overall damage
its super unlikely itll actually make or break a key
hallow phoenix
Does anyone have experience tanking dog with 2x crush stacks in mythic
quaint rune
is the corruption on wrathions sword worth anything?
left hatch
itll be about 5% of your damage in dungeons
not great but
not completely awful either
quaint rune
coool
yea its 460
just trying to get some corruptions man
i have a r3 echo but RIP that dream
grizzled glen
anyone know which chest would be better for keys, ashvane or the mechagon chest azerite pieces?
left hatch
MS>clockwerk
clockwork isn't bad but HoD and MS are better
(so ashvane, if you can get ahold of raid pieces)
vapid ibex
is 430 urchin still a go to for 20s?
ionic fern
Depends on what else you have available.
wheat python
What would you guys rather take? 35 corruption VR on one ring or 18 % mastery over 2 rings?
I have 3xBOm
frosty holly
Anima as minor is just a flat hp inc. Kinda useless
chrome pecan
what do u guys run VoP Maj ; Conflict, Null, Memory Minor?
or like formless void (raids)
sweet summit
For m+
VoP major
Lucid, CnS, Sphere, Aegis, Void (pick 3) minor
ionic fern
@wheat python damage wise you can sim yourself if that's your goal.
left hatch
anima is a safety blanket pick used by new tanks or ppl generally not into researching their class
more hp feels good
but historically it loses most if not all of its defensive value once you have enough to comfortably survive burst damage
after that its still damage your healer needs to top you up, while the other stat essences actively reduce how much damage you take
ionic fern
Anima is a trap and you should never-ever use it.
You get the max HP increase but you lose it when you actually need it - when you're low. Meaning that this can lead to sudden deaths.
left hatch
other tanks sometimes take it as a major because it does ok damage, but thats only because they don't really have better options not being Avatar wielding gods like us
and i don't believe any tank runs it as a minor
if they're playing optimally
cinder roost
Man this game rng is on another level, got the same weapon I got 2 weeks ago (and useless corru ofc), I don't know why after all these years it still baffles me
ionic fern
Atleast it's getting changed in Shadowlands. 👀
sharp night
it's a system they could have implemented in 8.3
there was no reason for them to delay it for SL
i've gotten 0 useful corruptions out of my chest since season started
ionic fern
Same could be said for the majority of their delayed design decisions.
royal rune
Quick q : are there any good professions for tanking in M+?
amber siren
engi p much is the only major one
royal rune
Engie gives you goggles
stark scroll
And a combat rez
royal rune
But are the traits on it good?
ionic fern
Yes.
amber siren
battle rez and some other minor things
royal rune
Bom and deafening crash??
stark scroll
No bom
analog urchin
has anyone tried out high leech builds yet? i can currently run around 11% but im not sure if its actually worth it
sweet summit
Leech builds are memes
ionic fern
Is the Leech on your highest ilvl pieces for the specific slots? If yes, then use those. If not, then don't use those.
A "leech build" on it's own is not a thing. Especially if you are sacrificing ilvl for it.
analog urchin
my ilvl doesn't change its just more of swapping out a searing flames and haste proc corruption
hushed cobalt
55k overall in a wcm14 (and a pug group to boot!) and i'm sure i could have pulled an extra pack here n there
ionic fern
👍
hallow phoenix
WCM is a very good dungeon for pushing comfort zone. It's very easy to pull a few extra mobs and see how you like it
hallow phoenix
All of it
I've done all of pig room plus some
It really helps to have something like an unholy DK to delete the mobs by the time you run out of CDs though
hushed cobalt
i use to do that a fairly long time ago
hpal/dh/spriest/bm hunter
i joined a 4man group, 3 unholy and hpal. that was mind boggling, along with army popping on bosses
hallow phoenix
Yeah I think if I had 3x unholy in one group I'd get a little crazy with it
Probably die
We got mythic dog down tonight. Ended with both tanks dead and like 3 DPS alive
Should not have been that messy but raiders gonna be raiders
lean flame
Can anyone tell me if the versa from sources corruption worth it? If I’m using aegis?
lean flame
Just the haste from sources, and that’s already equpped
hallow phoenix
You should be able to wear both then no?
lean flame
Yeah I can wear both but I could also put on twilight dev rank 2 but was not sure if worth
Like dmg vs survivability
hallow phoenix
Put in twilight dev
lean flame
Oh ok, versa isn’t too good for us?
lean flame
What corruption should I keep an eye out for ? (I’m currently running 18s/19s)
crimson furnace
5x gushing wound!
hallow phoenix
Nothing right now comes close to TD in keys imo
lean flame
All about that big dam
hallow phoenix
I'm using a 415 ring with rank 1 twilight dev
lean flame
Oh damn
lean flame
What % crit haste are you running?
hallow phoenix
Uhhh like 1600 crit and 2k haste, not sure what those percentages are
I don't pay much attention to my stats
hallow phoenix
Yeah i was just giving the sim difference
lean flame
Ty tusks for taking the time
hallow phoenix
Np
Btw guys the PvP shield looks way better than the raid shields
Public service announcement
real snow
so i got vers mastery wrist 465 ilvl for my prot, replacing a 440, itr has 28 corruption but 5% leech, takes me to 58, but I want to keep at 39, is it worth the 5% leech or shall i remove the corruption
oh and socket on it too
hallow phoenix
You could always just play with TfB
But if you really don't wanna go above 39 Id cleanse it
Leech is whatever, we aren't healers
real snow
yeah considering this is a work in progress char, im just happy at the higher ilvl, more stam, str, and a socket.
hallow phoenix
I cleansed my shield today
Vers proc and I just have no room in the next few weeks even for a vers proc corruption
Not the end of the world
hallow phoenix
Any TD, infinite stars, VR, gushing wound, etc. Pieces I will never cleanse
In case they buff or something
fringe marten
So I jumped into some pug raids to check it out; the Void droplet from the 480 chestguard of the deep denizen; so of course the fact that you have to go near it to get it..is a huge downside. The upside is..the uptime is way higher than I thought; on inquisitor xanesh the basic orb was over 50% uptime, the double stat orb was 15% uptime..they also stack.
They spawn way more frequently than I thought; but the key is, their duration stacks..once you start getting orbs they can stay up for very long periods of time.
hallow phoenix
I have no idea what that trait is
fringe marten
The chestpiece has no BoM..which is why I was very disappointed with it; but I wanted to try it. It's outer rings best trait is callous reprisal =\ Second ring is either Iron fort or "Secrets of the Deep" when you use abilities chance to spawn surging droplet nearby, increasing main stat 705 for 18 seconds, and rarely a droplet that increases mainstat 1387.
ebon hound
I'd go BFI and IF on that piece tbh
fringe marten
The frequency of the droplet spawn was a LOT higher than I thought it would be, and the droplet duration stacks each time you get a new one..AND the double stat orb also stack on top of them.
Yeah it does have brace on the outer ring.
I don't need to be 'tougher' in the content I'm doing currently..up through the 18 keys I've done my survivability on blockable damage is a non issue. Now for damage purposes I don't know if BFI outsims Callous reprisal..I would think not.
The 'fun' of this chest is..it's purely for damage..and I wanted to see the value on that droplet buff. Don't get me wrong..I'm dumping this thing when I have enough Residuum to scrap it ..and random another chestplate. But I just put in some time testing it is all.
Now I'm gonna' go do 1 key with it...something easy like a 15/16 somethin'..see what I get out of it.
I would like to make a weak aura to track the orbs if they're up...I'm actually missing tons of orbs; they spawn actually a ton; and the good orb is a lot harder to see in raids. I just did vexiona on heroic and the 'crit' orb is a swirly purple small orb.
So you can imagine how easy that is to see in Vexiona's Fight~
Anyway; very long story short...it's not a great chest for prot warrior ..but the void droplet buff is kinda' neat with a very high uptime.
sweet summit
BfI and IF is good wdym
fringe marten
It doesn't have BoM..it gets insta replaced by a 480 chest with BoM, regardless of Brace and Iron fort.
The damage on even a 480 piece with Iron fort is very low.
fringe marten
That's indisputable..however; I haven't yet gotten to a point of content where I would live "if I coulda blocked more damage.."
fringe marten
I already don't need much healing at all from blockable damage; that's my point.
strong forum
Uh the droplets force you to move alot
fringe marten
If I was doing mythic progression with my guild..I might swing it on for some fights? ? If I was trying to do a high teens+ tyrannical WCM and never take the tree boss to fire? maybe that?
strong forum
Like alot
That's so offputting
Not worth it at all, to be forced to move that much just to get the buff
fringe marten
Nomeratur..absolutely; as I said...it's NOT good, but I was just quite surprised by the frequency of their spawn and the uptime you can manage with it. I'm POSITIVE I'm missing a lot of those orbs too trying to tank the fights properly..I'm not 'just' hunting orbs constantly.
strong forum
Ye, so it's bad.
fringe marten
No; the way to do an item like this is like the old goblet of ichor..where it crawls to you.
sweet summit
Chest is good
Droplet trait is bad
strong forum
But you'd fuck over alot of people
sweet summit
Arguing for the sake of arguing 
fringe marten
Hence why I said "it's not great" it gets insta replaced by literally ANY chest with BoM. Since it didn't have BoM I wanted to explore what made it unique...I can get BFI and IF on tons of pieces and already don't need it anyway.
strong forum
I mean, now you know
sweet summit
It still a great placeholder
fringe marten
Not arguing at all; I'm absolutely agreeing the trait isn't something I'd want to 'keep'...but it's still MUCH better than a lot of those 'unique' second ring traits.
strong forum
Eh, blightborne, blood rite, met scheming, clockwork, swirling sands
glacial willow
@strong forum ty
strong forum
All great traits
fringe marten
Nemsix remember those have no secondary stats; and I have a 465 of that bracer I made a WA for, tried it through 3 keys...used it on cd EVERY TIME.
And it's damage is ABSOLUTE trash.
Met scheming is awesome.
sweet summit
Its damage is good, no?
fringe marten
No..the damage on the bracers is super trash. So much lower than you'd think it would be.
glacial willow
with the corruption damage makes up for it or not enough ?
fringe marten
Well the corruption is a whole other deal..that's up to you weather or not you want to fit that into your corruption budget.
glacial willow
@fringe marten ty ty
fringe marten
But the 'unique' part of that bracer..is really sadly disappointing.
sweet summit
The damage is good considering its on bracers with low stat budget anyway
fringe marten
Try it; make a WA for it so you remember to use it on CD every time..go smash a couple keys with it. You'll be stunned at how lackluster it is..compared to what you thought it would be.
Tradewinds is pretty decent too I'll give ya' that; it has a 'meh' uptime unfortunately.
But it's a good proc at least.
sweet summit
Large mastery
fringe marten
Right.
hallow phoenix
Get that 100% mastery
fringe marten
Now..the ONE thing about those anodized bracers however...
hallow phoenix
I don't even know what piece tradewinds is on
fringe marten
COOL factor..just like the ? RAGE engine from Dazaralor, it has a visual graphic when you use it.
hallow phoenix
Lockjaw?
hallow phoenix
Is there also IF in there
fringe marten
The only thing I ever got with tradwinds didn't have BoM..so I was hoping tradewinds would kinda' supplement it; and it's not near as good of course.
hallow phoenix
Instead of tw?
sweet summit
Probably
fringe marten
It was a chest? with tradwinds I think
But yeah..the anodized bracer; your hands spew sparks for like a few seconds..and then you Ha Do Ken a tiny little shockwave in front of you.
And it's off GCD
hallow phoenix
Riot helm and lockjaw have it
fringe marten
(maybe it was riot helm?)
sweet summit
Does riot also have bom?
fringe marten
That was it then; I just remember ...Buy helm token..click helm "does it have..? nope..DAMNIT!"
sweet summit
IF BS
TW CR
sweet summit
Id take Tradewinds on lackjaw
hallow phoenix
Both are good
sweet summit
Yea
fringe marten
Naw..absolutely take tradwinds. I messed with that helm and the uptime is 'eh?" but that's still way better than IF. You guys might be doing like 19/20 keys or something and actually taking physical hits you're worried about; but as I said with the content I've been doing anything I can block is meaningless to me. It's magic/abilities/dots etc that are scary.
(I'm looking at you Tyrannical Rezan...)
sweet summit
IF is really fucking good
hallow phoenix
Melees eventually start hurting
sweet summit
100% uptime of more blockvalue and damage back on blocked attacks
fringe marten
Yes, Brace and Iron fort are great...but again; I want damage, my physical survivability isn't yet in question with what I'm doing.
Yup, but the damage is stunningly low.
hallow phoenix
Pull more :^)
sweet summit
^
XD
hallow phoenix
No matter the key level I make my healers stressed the fuck out
It builds character
fringe marten
Is that from blockable damage or other mechanics though?
hallow phoenix
Both
If you take less blockable damage you have more room to tank scary stuff
That being said
There is probably nothing wrong with taking tradewinds over IF
fringe marten
The one thing I do like on this chest..is Ele Whirl.
hallow phoenix
Stat procs are also good
fringe marten
Ele Whirl always sims really good; then I try it and realize why...the buffs can stack and often do.
hallow phoenix
What helm are people liking for raids? Feels like there's a lot more aoe this tier than in EP so soulspun casque has less appeal to me. Gonna be a while before my guild downs mythic ilgy
sweet summit
Fury for raids
fringe marten
And in todays box I got a 475 belt with leech and gushing wound, and I have a 470 shield with gushing wound...tried that out on xanesh with the droplet crap (irrelevant..but was testing it) those 2 stacked did substantial single target dps.
sweet summit
Gushing wounds is an insane corruption
fringe marten
11.6% of my damage..beat my 18% twilight dev pants (single target..no shock)
but it was my 4th damage source, TD18% was 5th 1t 9.1%
I know Gushing is good, especially for it's corruption budget..but I was surprised by how strong stacking the 2 was.
But that's literally a single target you are glued to the entire fight...so it's a vacuum for gushing wound essentially.
hallow phoenix
Xanesh has adds in mythic
I think dog is the only actual single target fight?
Maut too if you don't pad
Such a good tier for BoM stacking
lofty widget
unstable flames over gutripper? (azerite traits)
fringe marten
Yeah overwhelm power and unstable flames are just all around great for every situation. Gutripper might produce better single target dps? that would be it..and just be worse for everything else.
You guys running Formless void in keys in the teens+ what do you see the uptime of the buff average around?
latent sequoia
I did Tank a 11 Atal yesterday with my 435 alt and i have somewhat low Ignore Pain Amounts in terms of "healing". At the last Boss i had troubles to smooth out the dmg spikes and im generall ST Ip did like 6k HPS. Is there a way to improve this? I just spammed it when ever i got the rage and did not need it to block the skewer, i got beaten up badly though.
fringe marten
Her skewer hit is a blockable melee hit; make sure to prioritize block first..your block uptime needs to be maximized; and make sure to have block up when she casts that.
inland silo
Shield block is your primary mitigation. IP is just a little bonus
Prot just doesn’t put up good healing numbers
It’s all about just reducing the damage taken
latent sequoia
I did try to block it and used last stand for times without block. The Autos alone did beat me up badly though, is there a way to deal with that too or does the warrior just has to be healed through? Our heal was in the same ilvl range as me and it got messy
inland silo
Being under leveled is probably a good bit of the issue. Shield ilvl is huge for our survivability
fringe marten
As long as block is up Yazma never bothers me even on some pretty spicy keys. It's the room management that becomes the issue. I'm wondering if your shields iLevel is suffering? or maybe just your overall ilevel? If you're maintaining block/demo etc..just your standard M+ rotation for damage/survivability..and have block up for skewer Yazma shouldn't get scary for a LOT of key levels above 11.
latent sequoia
390 Boost Shield
hallow phoenix
Yikes
sharp night
that's a huge yikes
fringe marten
That's exactly your problem.
leaden grail
is there some kind of block amount you really want or is it just as much as possible? Right now I'm running 2x iron fortress with a 465 shield and I'm wondering whether I can drop one?
fringe marten
Shield iLevel is critically important; more than any other item on your body. The Block "value" goes up, meaning how MUCH damage is blocked with iLevel. You're doing a M+ 11 key with a shield that is below world quest gear level.
hallow phoenix
You want the highest ilvl shield and for traits it just depends on your gear
IF is one of the better m+ traits but I'd drop it for MS, HoD, and the like
@leaden grail
What are the other options instead of IF
leaden grail
The alternative are either heart of darkness (which is HoD i guess?) or filthy transfusion
hallow phoenix
HoD is quite good and I use it over IF personally
fringe marten
Aroma if you happen to have a ton of gold buy a 460 BoE shield from your AH if you can afford it. If not, try and see what other ilevels are available to buy; barring that.. Do any of the Heroic Invasions or whatever? for a chance at a 7th legion shield or SOMETHING ..ANYTHING to just spit out a shield of appropriate iLevel.
hallow phoenix
But you can't go wrong either way
fringe marten
I have the 480 helm with transfusion on it. The numbers on that look so impressive...a Huge DoT + leech. Then you use it ...and look at the proc rate/uptime.. it's ABYSMALLY low.
hallow phoenix
Honesty aroma just run m0 for a 430 shield
fringe marten
I loves me some damage, and even I changed from filthy transusion over to ? IF or Brace..whatever is on that helmet.
^^^ What Tusks said. That would work too..but IF there's a nice affordable crafted/BoE shield or something on your AH in your price range, just snag it and move on with life.
leaden grail
IF, I just got that from residuum
hallow phoenix
You're fine with your IF traits addi. This week in particular I think you'll get some nice value from it
fringe marten
aDDi, you can try it for yourself..but you're going to realize even on large single target static fights..like Maut/etc filthy transfusion is STILL surprisingly weak.
latent sequoia
Oof but good to know. Thanks for the help, the DMGintake did bother me and even in Situations i was sure i used my Defs right i got hammered. Yeah i'm farming WQ and did the M0 last week to get one, no luck so far. Just Boosted the Char to 120 with a couple of friends at the weekend to do some mythics. Thanks for the Help!
fringe marten
It's not AoE, filthy is only on the target it procs on..rarely procs..it's just bleh~ I was sad 😦
leaden grail
I had to play filthy transfusion on my balance druid last patch and it was really bad. I don't see why it should be any better on my prot warrior. I mean, it does sim pretty good, which means it can't be that bad. However, I'll definately not drop an IF for it
I just dropped one for heart of darkness on my shoulders and go from there. should be fine
leaden grail
yeah
hallow phoenix
Those are very very good
leaden grail
indeed they are. i think they have bis traits on every row?
real snow
ooh 4 mythics for a 460 nya piece .. here i come
leaden grail
and impassive visage
real snow
think i will wait before i spend the titan i earned
hallow phoenix
Oh shit
leaden grail
this is the first raid where I'd be sad to get an azerite piece from that weekly
real snow
you could even get 470 from carapace or nzoth
leaden grail
other slots are gonna corrupt <.<
hallow phoenix
I got a dumb ring
leaden grail
and I absolutely need a piece with twilight devastation. I got rank 2 and rank 1 on my rings, one is 420 ilvl, and none of them have haste
I drop about 800 haste because of that ._.
hallow phoenix
Worth
leaden grail
I know, but it feels so bad man
If I just got a piece with td rank 2 I could unequip that fucking 420 blue ring and equip my 475 socketed king's rest one
real snow
hc darkshore up too ... hope for some decent upgrades cos darkshore can also drop azerite
hallow phoenix
Failed an 18 kr by 10 seconds today
Mdt % showed 100 but we were off by about 0.4%
Feels bad
sweet summit
maiden ravine
91% mastery in Avatar, 😄
hallow phoenix
Wtf lol
maiden ravine
it might be too much haha
hallow phoenix
Find that last 9
leaden grail
Then the teeming % aren't accurate yet? I'll have 103% in every single key I play this week.
maiden ravine
I probably could, but yeah, I got a ring with 9% more mastery
and given I have 3 BoM it probably is stupidly good for 15 corruption
hallow phoenix
Synergy
maiden ravine
I've gotten lucky that the first 2 475 pieces I've bought have had awesome traits
and if I ever get bored of tanking they both have ToM and CSHB too
hallow phoenix
I just use raid azerite for DPS
hallow phoenix
Best decision blizz made this patch was to put good traits on each piece
hallow phoenix
Both my rerolls go to heroic raden this week
maiden ravine
it's just me wanting to pug without knowing the fights perfectly
maiden ravine
it's just some social anxiety
at 465 equipped I KNOW I'm overgeared for it, but meh
hallow phoenix
I'll tank heroic with you
maiden ravine
about to sleep, but I'm also NA alliance
hallow phoenix
RIP
leaden grail
tanknotes.com will save you sir
leaden grail
read it and you'll know all you need
hallow phoenix
Good night alliance dog
maiden ravine
so, workshop is still free as hell on teeming eh
what pull in there is even doubled?
leaden grail
there's an extra tinkerer before 3rd boss, an extra defender after using the airplane thingys, an extra waste processing unit & a dog before 2nd boss
maiden ravine
basically nothing that matters
leaden grail
kinda
maiden ravine
cause you can skip the extra defender eh?
leaden grail
i think you will need it for count
high sierra
hi guuuys
leaden grail
and you will probably need to play at least one mkIII bot before last boss as well, and those are annoying and take a while
high sierra
would you consider that better than a 455 rezan ?
leaden grail
yes.
ionic fern
What's the other trinket?
ionic fern
Jep, use this + humming.
leaden grail
and here we have the first person to be happy to get a trinket from their weekly chest
high sierra
well what better thing could I get
maiden ravine
according to mdt... it's 99.5% skipping the 2 mk2s and last pull before boss
bleh.
sick sentinel
I keep getting rings when i already have my leech 475 socketed bis stats
leaden grail
any other slot gets corruption
high sierra
already got TD3 on belt
high sierra
you're right
BUT
didn't do my assaults yet
neither visions
so dual TD3 can still happen
maiden ravine
okay, so skip a slime pack, kill one! Defense Bot and you get exactly 100 with teeming
leaden grail
teeming % are off
maiden ravine
well I don't trust 99.5 either, the addon has lied before about how much the last obelisk is worth too sometimes
I mean if it's off I'll kill one extra mob after boss
hallow phoenix
If anything just save last trash pack before last boss and kill like one mob in it
maiden ravine
yeah
hidden plaza
clockwork heart or 2 BfI for m+ ?
maiden ravine
I mean I won't cry about getting to skip a living waste pack if I do a 15 fort
leaden grail
living waste is the easiest count blizzard has given us so far though?
hidden plaza
ok next would be elemental whirl or blood siphon?
sweet summit
Whirl
hallow phoenix
What about the bots at the start that you can one shot with the hammers
That's the dungeon literally giving you %
leaden grail
these kill you if you stand in voids at least
living waste is just .. hello, mr. dh. would you please use eyebeam when they are at 30% health?
everyone else stand behind the pillar and observe
royal rune
What is the bis azerite gear from nyalotha? Or is it all good because of HoD?
sweet summit
BoM and HoD
hallow phoenix
Mythic carapace and nzoth win cause ilvl
ionic fern
Those have decent DPS traits on them
But tbh i'd suggest Carapace+Nzoth since ilvl.
maiden ravine
I'm Crinnettie @ Stormrage if you wanna laugh at her gnomeness haha
oops for the ping
hallow phoenix
I laugh at your alliance-ness
maiden ravine
😛
ionic fern
Don't bully alliance @hallow phoenix
maiden ravine
it really is my trinkets holding me back, may I get lucky from the 4 mythics quest
hallow phoenix
I grew up on Korgath which was like 8:1 alliance : horde
hallow phoenix
Leveling in hillsbrad took weeks
But I didn't go elsewhere cause I'm not a coward
maiden ravine
If my warrior wasn't gnome, she might be Dark Iron
I'm not sure, I love Dark Irons and Kul Tirans both so much
hallow phoenix
Normal dwarf
maiden ravine
they are literally why I'm alliance right now
high sierra
ho god I didn't see
sweet summit
Mwahi convince me to go dwarf pls
high sierra
they nerfed TD ?
maiden ravine
barely
sweet summit
Nah
hallow phoenix
Not really
maiden ravine
they're getting ahead of MDI degenerate play
high sierra
ho
maiden ravine
likely stuff where tanks pull entire dungeons, kite while everyone else prays for td6 procs
high sierra
it's to prevent super largep acks
ionic fern
What is there to convince @sweet summit ?
Best looking race + bis racial for m+ (outside of whole group NE).
high sierra
ok so for normal people it's still op
ionic fern
sharp night
idk why people use % for count anyway in either MDT or the actual dungeons
use exact values and you will never have issues
hallow phoenix
There's exact values?
sharp night
yes
sweet summit
True im nelf now, havent really used the racial since s4 started lmao
Feels like a waste
maiden ravine
at least it has some value
hallow phoenix
Pls explain how to see these values
maiden ravine
my mage is kul tiran, 😄
ionic fern
You rarely use it unless you're doing whole grp skips but that's not warranted anymore as much due to obelisks so. 🤷
sharp night
uh
maiden ravine
I mean that stun has some value to me in pvp as a mage, but man, it's a weak race overall for mages
sharp night
mdt should have it by default
ionic fern
Meanwhile dworf racial vs poisons and all other stuff finds uses in literally every dungeon.
sweet summit
Exactly
sharp night
and i think most dungeon timer addons show exact value
i know angry keystones does, which is what i use
sweet summit
Cant think of a skip id do if the full group was nelf that i cant already do with obelisks
hallow phoenix
:(
sharp night
can you link the route you used that was off
hallow phoenix
Not atm
maiden ravine
I just can't give up the gnome heritage armor
hallow phoenix
It was KR skipping one golem at the start, and then the middle pack on the bridge to 3rd boss, big pack by 3rd boss, and double zerkers
We did everything else
Came to exactly 100.00%
sharp night
let me check mdt
he might've forgotten to update the teeming value in KR after the count required was changed in a patch
yup
he did
hallow phoenix
We were only off by about 0.4%
sharp night
teeming requires 20% more trash, on normal weeks it's 246 count
hallow phoenix
Felt bad
sharp night
in mdt it says 286 count which is wrong
it should be 295
so that puts you at 9 count off
hallow phoenix
Good to know
sharp night
9/295 gives you 0.3% off
real snow
so i got a helm 460 from darkshore , my current one is 450 with Bastion and DC, the new ones have bastion but no DC, only Callous / apothecary concoction - since its 15 ilvls higher is it worh equipping
sharp night
that's how i sanity check my routes
using exact values
also WAY easier to keep track of
like knowing you need 12 count and each mob is worth 4 in a given dungeon, you know you only need 3 more mobs
ebon hound
@real snow if you cant DC anywhere else it's not worth
sharp night
vs "i need 3.56%", each mob is worth 0.89% do i have enough
real snow
@real snow if you cant DC anywhere else it's not worth
@ebon hound yeah ill hold on to it, might get a piece from weekly quest yet
sharp night
not sure about other addons but in angry keystones when you install it go to the options
hallow phoenix
Angry is what I use
sharp night
i use the most verbose option which shows current/remaining percent, current/total/remaining exact count
but it has options for everything else
maiden ravine
So, which dungeon, other than motherlode, are y'all absolutely refusing this week
sharp night
what's wrong with ml
hallow phoenix
I have a TD I'm dreading
sharp night
AD is the only one that's kinda iffy because which pack you get as the "extra pack" is random
hallow phoenix
It was very easy last week
sharp night
and it's annoying
maiden ravine
Apparently Rios route this week uses obelisks to skip all the randomness
hallow phoenix
Shrine is bothersome but I'll end up doing it anyway later this week
maiden ravine
Yeah, shrine you basically end up having to kill everything before second boss
sharp night
you shouldn't have to if you clear the first area
maiden ravine
Sucks you can't really skip the water elementals
maiden ravine
Blizzard is evil for putting in something unavoidable like that
sharp night
you can skip them though?
sharp night
or that yeah if you have to fight them
you just tank at a corner and everyone los the big stun aoe thing
but i just skip em cause they have too much hp
hallow phoenix
ML you should be able to get almost everything before second boss yeah?
sharp night
pretty much
smoky cloak
hello guys i stack residium for myth azerite got 8k, which slots best to buy? hear about shoulders
or better collect 20000 and buy needed
real escarp
Hey with the last affixes I was tanking +10/11 just Fine will I have problems with teeming?
Im currently 425 Ilvl
ionic fern
Shoulders would be the safest roll indeed but Kraken is already solid compared to your other pieces so i'd RNG roll a head or just save up until a specific one if i'm not feeling lucky @smoky cloak
If you were fine before you will be fine now @real escarp
Teeming/Fort is a bit sketchy in some situations but nothing that can't be overcome with decent play.
timid kite
Ello, so to be sure im lookin to see if bastion of might is worth dropping ilvl for. Am i right about that?
sweet summit
Dont drop ilvl for bom
leaden grail
why on earth did I just get a 430 ilvl item for 4 masks full clear? <,<
first vision of the week
rain tapir
in a world of shit trincets, is modular platinum plating the worst?
last coyote
which one is that exactly? must be so bad i dont even know what it does
rain tapir
mechagon tank trincet
last coyote
ah the armor one. sounds as bad as i thought.
minor hemlock
Anyone pog on corruptions? I can't make up my mind
sweet summit
@rain tapir its the worst one
ionic fern
Ask away @minor hemlock
minor hemlock
Well. I have pieces I can't switch out because I have no better ilvl to put in place. Now I got a ring with corruption on it aswell. I dont really know what to do.
ionic fern
Damage wise you can sim yourself and set a "maximum corruption" limit.
minor hemlock
Theese are the ones I have.
I would like to try to find the optimal setup... But I dont know how good Void Ritual are for starters
jolly robin
Thoughts on replacing socketed 465 ML shield with 475 same shield with Mind Flay corruption (35) and giving up a 930 mastery proc corruption (by changing boots to stay under 60)?
ionic fern
As i said - damage wise you can sim yourself.
Shield is a must equip if it's your highest ilvl one.
I'd probably cleanse shield and use Wrist+hands for damage if those are really your highest ilvl ones.
jolly robin
I guess I need to run some m+ to see if that mind flay does good dps
ionic fern
Mind Flay is big @jolly robin and so is shield ilvl so i'd do it.
jolly robin
Ah nice thanks @ionic fern
ionic fern
It's better on ST obv but still solid.
sick spindle
Mind Flay is a really nice flat dps increase for low corruption investment
nimble cosmos
!guide
marble cipher
How's EV nowadays? Got a 475 Mecha ring with rank 2.
Think I can still fit it in and don't go 'toooo' high if I drop my rank 3 haste % from sources
sweet summit
minor hemlock
So void ritual is no good, ont he ring?
sweet summit
EV is fine
nimble cosmos
thanks rosjen
sweet summit
EV 6 is currently like 15% of my damage in a key xd
ionic fern
@minor hemlock sim yourself for damage. It's the easiest way. I don't know what other pieces you have in your other slots etc so it's hard to do a adequate guess.
marble cipher
I'd run with TD3+EV2 if I'd swap to the EV piece, guess that'll do a nice chunk of my m+ dps
sweet summit
Aye
strong forum
EV2 is like 3.5k dps for me
dire blade
What dungeons do you guys swap to null barrior for? Finally got tier 3...
grand spruce
Oof. upgrade i think. that looks really useful for prot and arms
marble cipher
Very good prot trinket, no idea bout arms
strong forum
It's good for arms too
dire blade
@marble cipher thanks!
lapis pond
Is it wrong to use last stand on top of shield block for the heal if the healer is losing control or is it one of those if i survive as a result it was the right move?
strong forum
Well you just answered to your own question
If you survived because of last stand, yes it was the right move
If you would've survived without it, it would be a waste
I typically use a health pot instead
For those oh shit moments
grand spruce
got a desert guardians breastplate from the residuum. not to crazy about losing a HoD but its 25 ilvl more than my current chest for prot
spice yacht
is this shit busted for M+
does it proc of off of your block
every single basic pretty much?
amber siren
wowhead is saying 1 ppm
golden pollen
24k absorb seems kinda weak
grand spruce
generally is iron fortress a better trait or is callous?
sick spindle
Callous sucks afaik. If those are your only 2 options, take IF.
ionic fern
^
brave night
Hey guys i have
grand spruce
yeah. the only other option is to stay with a 450 chest just because its got HoD instead
which is what the sims are sayingh
brave night
hey guys i have Humming Black Dragonscale and Rezan Gleaming Eye , and i dropped maut trinket (Sigil of Warding) do u guys think is worth changing ? or keep both trinkets?
brisk ferry
don't use Sigil
brave night
ok thank u man
dreamy dagger
im pleased
grand spruce
very nice thumper there
brave night
can u someone answer me one more question ? When lucid dreams is good as major in m+?
amber siren
very high keys for the leech, if you need to ask youre probably not playing at that level
sick spindle
Starting keys +20 and up, when you're coordinating big pulls and cooldown usage with your party.
ionic fern
Gz Speg. : D
We can actually do this now regarding Lucid/Aug questions: Check the first pin @brave night
amber siren
convergence of fates? 
tame garden
👀
Was planning externals and shit for breaths but just spell reflect and demo shout is enough lmao
I was told prot cant handle magic damage
ionic fern
😂
It's not as bad as people make it out to be.
And that's what we've been saying since forever. 👀
sick spindle
I think I don't even use a personal for the first breath, just spell reflect the second and have ignore pain up
strong forum
Well, yes
crude light
Yo boyz i have the following question
Since i have enough for a socket what should i do choose? Rank 3 Haste/vers Infinite Star ring Oor Rank 3 Twilight Dev Vers/haste ring
Normally i am for the TD since IS is simply not proccing enough
strong forum
IS isn't really great
crude light
both of them 475 ilvl
Yeah i noticed it. Sometimes it procs for the first 2 minutes like 6-7 times and the very next pull the boss is on 30% with 2 procs..
strong forum
TD is amazing for all content
IS is mainly simpad and doesn't get to full value in most fights
Sure IS can go crazy if you get lucky
So can TD, but it doesn't lose but actually gain value in multi target
tame garden
I've dropped is from my life
crude light
Yeah but IS is haste depending and i dont wanna be overcapped on haste
strong forum
I'll only use IS for pvp that's it
tame garden
Just going full TD in all content like god intended
crude light
I saw somewhere that i dont need to be over 25% haste
strong forum
What
crude light
without into the flay
strong forum
That's so wrong
tame garden
Fake news
strong forum
Like incredibly wrong
You want as much haste as you can get
It doesn't lose value
crude light
So you are telling me to reduce my versa
and go with haste again?
atm i am 23% crit 26% haste 25% mastery 12 % versa
crude light
and whats your progress and io?
tame garden
L m a o
crude light
I am just curious 🙂
strong forum
Doesn't matter, vers you could run if you struggle defensively in 22s+
crude light
No i am asking cuz bosses like doggie on mythic if i get double disolve stack
i am close to death
dead*
tame garden
More haste means more rage means more IP
strong forum
Even vdh gets fucked
tame garden
Means more last stands means more shield walls means more demo shouts
crude light
Hmm okey i will test it thank you 🙂
strong forum
So you stacked vers to try to survive a situation that you shouldn't be in?
strong forum
Prio for raid is ilvl > haste > vers for raid
crude light
that was like 10/12 M
told me that i am overcapped on haste
and sent me that article
tame garden
Should you never take double dissolve?
crude light
yeah our monk tank is taking the double dissolve
Well i cant find it anymore
But today i was thinking that cant be right
tame garden
I didnt think you could guarentee that
Like if you have boss and then he does dissolve crush dissolve
strong forum
Cuz I never heard a person with actual brain / understands how prot war works would ever say you're overcapped on haste
strong forum
What
crude light
yes
strong forum
War has 2 taunts by default
tame garden
Ya but you need the dissolve tank to have 2 taunts
If you wanna guarentee they always get it
crude light
what do you mean war has 2 taunts by default?
tame garden
Or have them tanking boss always I guess
tame garden
^
strong forum
Take a look at this guy
tame garden
tame garden
Wow prot is op
crude light
i know about that one
well thank you tho haha
😄
can i link you my armory to see if i need to change something?
tame garden
476 pog
crude light
478 in bags 😄
tame garden
brisk ferry
mog looks nice on Ztroll too, nice
strong forum
Non socketed rings
The TD one I understand, but why use a non socketed in the other slot
opal escarp
Such a thing as too much haste for prot?
tame garden
Nope
wheat maple
there any worth buying azerites from the vendor?
craggy harness
does the intercept a crush on dog not work in mythic?
re: "extra" taunt?
possibly uninformed question about mythic shadhar there
sweet summit
You can intercept the crush
craggy harness
so is the extra taunt from strength even needed?
re: angryfist's question earlier
craggy harness
he said they were running strength of the warden for the extra taunt
sick spindle
Yes, because he didnt know about the Leap reset
craggy harness
ah
still don't know if leap is even needed?
crush intercept, disolve, taunt crush
i guess if it's crush crush dissolve maybe you'd need a taunt
tame garden
Youd intercept crush, taunt 2nd, then they taunt back for dissolve
The only annoying pattern is dissolve crush dissolve
strong forum
Then it's just 1st tank dissolve, intervene
Done
I fail to see how you would need 2 taunts
It's literally grong