protection

[ionic fern]

@distant crystal it is solid. 🙂

[distant crystal]

😄

[sick sentinel]

Bro the wings are sick

[modest thistle]

IKR?

[prisma crane]

they are dope, but were annoying AF before they made the slow fall an on use

[blazing gale]

Im collecting gear to start tanking soon, dropped Underrot spore trinket, how good/useful is the healing

[sweet summit]

):

[blazing gale]

And how bad will be sticking to double offensive option? Like Scale + torment

[sweet summit]

Pretty good

[modest thistle]

It’s not bad healing

It’s decent

[sweet summit]

[modest thistle]

Yes it looks like that

If you can’t find it in your bags

[sweet summit]

Look at what the emote is called

[blazing gale]

expulsom it is

[modest thistle]

Alright well it’s better than nothing

Not really

[sweet summit]

Its good if you play arms in arenas

Thats about it

[blazing gale]

naa only fury

[modest thistle]

If you don’t do prot in arenas you have 2 X chromosomes

[sweet summit]

[prisma crane]

nice, brb while i enjoy my shower 😉

[blazing gale]

I'm running around with prot loot spec for like 3 weeks now , DIdnt get a single shield yet

[sweet summit]

Soon my friend, soon

I believe

[blazing gale]

I got a boe from hc but It was 300k 😄

so atal dazar shield is best option from dungeons right now ?

[sweet summit]

ML shield is the "best one"
But its not a big difference, you go for ilvl anyway

Pray you dont get the junkyard shield

[blazing gale]

next week affix super easy to learn tanking?

[ionic fern]

I don't even know what next week is.

[blazing gale]

Fortified
Teeming
Quaking
Awakened

[sweet summit]

Fort teem quake

Its fine, but routes will differ from other weeks due to teeming

[blazing gale]

thats what raider.io is for 😄

[sweet summit]

For teem is a bit of tank damage compared to other weeks, even worse if someone runs into you with quaking. So keep that in mind

[hallow phoenix]

DPS that hit me with quaking is the most enraging thing there is

[distant crystal]

don't quack the tank!

[hallow phoenix]

I finally got the recursion+overclock ring combo

[sweet summit]

Id rather have the dps die than them running into me with quaking

Poggers

[hallow phoenix]

Guildy was kind enough to give me the socketed recursion ring

[sweet summit]

[hallow phoenix]

I also have a 415 t1 TD ring

So I'm kind of conflicted in m+

[sweet summit]

Suffering from success

[hallow phoenix]

Only in a blizzard game

[oblique garnet]

next week is big pump week

Ez 100k overall 🙂

[sweet summit]

How can i do giga mongo pulls and live help

[distant crystal]

press shield block

[sweet summit]

Oh

Isnt shield block just for shield slam damage

[elder isle]

What do yall thinl bout the TD nerf ?

[sweet summit]

Bad week for it to come, but overall not too harsh

[amber siren]

Obviously a pretty big nerf for 5+ pulls but I still can’t see other corruptions pulling the same numbers even at 10 or above

[hallow phoenix]

75% reduction in a 10 pack

I'm really not concerned about the Nerf

75% from original value*
25% nerf I suppose

[distant crystal]

hits the hardest in island expeditions

[sweet summit]

Islands in 2020

[distant crystal]

I'm capping my 6th toon rn

[sweet summit]

Im glad i dont have the willpower or time to keep more than 2 characters up to date

[ionic fern]

I'm slowly starting to do 3. 👀

Resto Shaman coming in strong.

[distant crystal]

i have 3-4 solid toons

and 3 scuffed af

[ionic fern]

But my "up to date" = 75 neck and only the 1 daily vision.

😂

[distant crystal]

👀

poor monk

[sweet summit]

👀

[unkempt seal]

what is life?

[distant crystal]

🤷

[hallow phoenix]

Twilight devastation

That is life

Waat make sure you're doing WQs for gear

Get that t3 TD asap on all them alts

[unkempt seal]

dont encourage this behavior

[spark lark]

@oblique garnet same global first click shield slam and then shield

[oblique garnet]

Then yeah it does increase as long as ss animation isnt finished

[flint cliff]

how does this corruption fare for prot?

[sweet summit]

Mediocre

[amber siren]

the ring or the corruption that is vulpera

[flint cliff]

better than this one?

i only had like 13 corruption anyways and it was ilvl increase so i figured id throw it on

[sweet summit]

If you only have 13 corruption you might as well use it

It does something and 25 is safe

[flint cliff]

oh i guess this would be the place to ask

i have a few items im curious about

[sweet summit]

Ask away, friend

[flint cliff]

is this a good one to use?

i assume big time no but

[sweet summit]

Very low ilvl, id not

[strong forum]

That magic loop ring is insane for arms

[flint cliff]

oh fr? with that corruption or just the ring itself

[strong forum]

Both

[flint cliff]

nicee

[strong forum]

Ineffable truth is really good

For arms

[flint cliff]

good to know thank you

[strong forum]

That I'd sim

Tbh

[amber siren]

141 fire res

[strong forum]

But for prot the ilvl wins

[flint cliff]

ya im askin strictly for prot

just double checking i figured that was the case

[strong forum]

Defensively the ilvl wins

[flint cliff]

what do yall think of these traits for m+

[oblique garnet]

ineffable is ok for prot

[sweet summit]

@flint cliff thats good. Id work towards Conflict and strife if you dont already have it

[flint cliff]

ill get that this coming week

what would you replace with it ?

im also upgrading nullifcation dynamo on the side

[distant crystal]

aegis

conflict is much better overall than aegis at doing basically the same thing

[sweet summit]

Null is mostly a raiding essence, you dont really need it for most dungeons. But its nice to have

[flint cliff]

ill have c and s on reset i just remembered

so ill swap out aegis i suppose

[sweet summit]

R3?

[flint cliff]

no i just hit 120 this last tuesday

462 not bad for a week tho right?

[sweet summit]

Nah das good

[distant crystal]

https://tenor.com/z8SP.gif

[flint cliff]

i have had an awesome week. I learned to tank, tanked 12/12h, and did my first m15

im so glad i decided to go this route

its been so much fricking fun

[sweet summit]

Tanking is big fun

[flint cliff]

i wonder what the affixes will be this week. necrotic was a little stressful for learning on certain bosses

[sharp night]

next week is free

literally just free

[flint cliff]

awesome

[sharp night]

teeming/quaking/fort

you just pull big and nuke everything

[sweet summit]

GachiGasm

[flint cliff]

awesome

im going to try and up my raider io and get some good times

i learned junkyard really well this week so hopefully i can get some more routes down this reset

a bit hesitant for other ones

[sharp night]

well you have to adjust routes on teeming a bit due to more killing required

[flint cliff]

interesting

ill look on wago

or maybe find some vods of teeming

[sweet summit]

Raider.io has weekly routes

Not sure how good they are as i havent used them myself this season

[flint cliff]

probably better than whatever i have

[sweet summit]

But they have been solid

[sharp night]

you have to kill 30% more trash basically but some pulls have extra mobs so you don't have to go THAT out of your way for them

[sweet summit]

You can make adjustments as you get more experience

[flint cliff]

cool

so at this level i should just slam haste gems

/ enchants

[sweet summit]

Haste will always be better defensively

Force multi for weapon

[flint cliff]

ya ive got that

do the top tanks only gem versatility because theyre doing 20+

or is there good reason for me pushing 15-16-17

[sweet summit]

No, stick to haste

Probably have vers gems for damage bc corruption

[flint cliff]

oh does vers apply to devestation

[sweet summit]

Yes

All damage

[flint cliff]

is the weapon off of wrath good if i dont have something like devestation yet

like for my bonus rolls, is it better to shoot for higher azerite pieces or that weapon

[sweet summit]

Its ok-ish
~5% of your overall damage in a key

[flint cliff]

mmm

does weapon ilvl have an impact on our dps much

[sweet summit]

Scales off max hp, right?

So kinda

[flint cliff]

no i mean like

[sweet summit]

Oh nvm i misread

[flint cliff]

general weapon ilvl

heres what i have right now

[sweet summit]

Ilvl is big on weapons id say

[strong forum]

Ilvl on weapon is important cuz your attacks scale with weapon dmg

So if you have the option, always go with highest ilvl

Same with everything as tank

[flint cliff]

hmmmm

[strong forum]

Except trinkets and to some degree rings

[flint cliff]

i got heroic humming and vita this week

the vita is socketed

i think im set for those

[strong forum]

Ye vita and scale are great

[sweet summit]

Large trinkets

[flint cliff]

so its basically either roll for the weapon on nzoth

or roll for helm/ shoulders

[sweet summit]

Carapace for weap/shoulders
Nzoth for head

[flint cliff]

split em?

mm

[ionic fern]

Droptimizer.

On raidbots.

[flint cliff]

i didnt think that worked for tanks?>

[ionic fern]

🤔

[sweet summit]

You can sim for dps

[flint cliff]

oh i guess so huh

ill run that i have a sub to their site

thanks guys sorry im such a tank noob

[ionic fern]

Gotta start from somewhere.

[ionic fern]

Hc or Mythic?

[flint cliff]

hc

[ionic fern]

Remember that the Wrathion weapon takes the corruption into effect as well.

So if you plan to cleanse it then it loses value.

[flint cliff]

yeah i think long term it would be replaced with devestation

i should probably plan for that

that in mind, carapace seems like a really good roll

so definitely one on that

my helmet is 450, shoulders are 460

so maybe yeah the next will be on nzoth idk

20 ilvls sounds good for defensive

25 i guess

whats a safe corruption limit?

[sweet summit]

39 is very safe, you can go up to 59 and be fine as a prot warrior

Depends on dungeon/week/comp tho

You can spell reflect the eye and tfb

Avatar removes the slow
Stormbolt/shokwave/fear tfb

[flint cliff]

alright

ill be at 57 corruption if i get wrath wep

[sweet summit]

I would not go too high unless youre comfortable with the spwc

[real snow]

I wont be raiding with my alt prot, what trinkets are best from m+ ??

[sweet summit]

Rezan/block are solid

[real snow]

Cool, i managed an 11 TOS timed last night, considering my gear it was in a group with friends and it went well +2 the key. Hopefully a nice item in the cache tomorrow. I was told that I should bring the warrior more, cos I pull better with it, I mean its easier to pull compared to Brew which I also play, cos you have charge / leap and you always go forward

[sweet summit]

Its a lot more punishing than brew if you make mistakes

[ionic fern]

And i'm happy that i managed to heal a +3 on my Resto shaman yesterday.

[sweet summit]

Epic gamer

[flint cliff]

i forget who said it, but i want your opinions as well, 120 str gem worth over a haste?

[sweet summit]

Yes

Both 120 and the 80
Not a lot of ppl use them tho

[flint cliff]

why is that

[sweet summit]

I dont, because i "main" fury and im not swapping gems around

[maiden ravine]

Isn't 120 str still better for almost every class?

[sweet summit]

No

Not for the ones i play

[real snow]

Its a lot more punishing than brew if you make mistakes
@sweet summit Yeah it is, like I was face tanking the orb room with like 90 stacks, as a brew id haved dropped a ring and waited and healed, just need to get smarter with the prot and its new to me also so over time it will improve

[maiden ravine]

Well that might not be true with lethal strikes and corruptions now

A warlock was crying about vers bring his best stat now

I don't know about you, but I don't mind getting to stack vers as dps, have a nice passive damage reduction

I can't wait to open caches when I wake up. Got 8 of them cause I'm a stupid addict

[flint cliff]

what do you mean you got 8 caches?

ohhh chars

[sweet summit]

Alts

Ye

[maiden ravine]

4 chars

[real snow]

I think he means 8 chars

[maiden ravine]

2 each

[flint cliff]

gotcha

[maiden ravine]

Nah, PvP and m+

[oblique garnet]

you dont want to waste your utility to cc thing from beyond in m+ if you do you are actively inting the key

[maiden ravine]

Got warrior and druid to 1600, a chance at 460 corrupted gear is nice

[flint cliff]

oh cool thanks late

any other misinformation?

[sweet summit]

You can get away with it in some cases tho

[maiden ravine]

What you're saying is my warrior need to run td3 pants and td2 gloves

I actually might next week haha

I know rank 13 is a small resistance buff, but it is one

I am so close to being under 60 with both

Meh, it'll be a month, haha

[atomic shore]

guys

how to add spell reflection damage to details ??

[onyx vessel]

They nerfed td this patch

50% past 5 targets

I wonder why

[sharp night]

MDI

[sweet summit]

https://wago.io/IwPukH70B

[onyx vessel]

Pulls whole dungeon everyones td goes off

[sharp night]

it doesn't affect the vast majority of players

[sweet summit]

@atomic shore

[atomic shore]

dose any one know how to add spell reflection damage to details ??

[onyx vessel]

Every thing died

[atomic shore]

y

[onyx vessel]

I doubt it

[atomic shore]

ty bro @sweet summit

[onyx vessel]

If it showed normally

King mechagon dps

[ebon hound]

Cyclone Strike reflects

[alpine stag]

Hey, I got these 4 trinkets; 435 urchin , 475 fang, 475 briny, 460 dragonscale, and i run keys between 16-19. Which 2 should i use? No rezan trinket dropping for me :/

oh and 460 jes howlis

[sweet summit]

Dragonscale+briny

[alpine stag]

thanks

[sick sentinel]

td nerf is literally nothing

Still did 30% of my damage 🤔

on a freehold

with mass pulls

[alpine stag]

shoosh, they gonna nerf it more if u tell em

[strong forum]

Ye thats what I keep saying, the nerf barely does anything in regular keys

[sick sentinel]

The higher the key, the more irrelevant the nerf

[slim pier]

hey

how to become a good tank

[sweet summit]

Experience

[slim pier]

I'm gonna start tanking

[sweet summit]

Good

Read up on the icy veins guide

[slim pier]

so I think the best azerite traits are BoM, Iron Fortress, at least one deafening crash

I forgot the rest

[sweet summit]

All except for bloodsport and callosus reprisal or whatever are good

[slim pier]

Bloodsport isn't good?

[sweet summit]

Literally the worst prot trait

[slim pier]

ok

[sweet summit]

Never sacrifice item level for any trait other than your first dc (~15 ilvls if neccesarry)

[slim pier]

do you take heart of darkness as a tank

[sweet summit]

If you have more than 25 corruption after resistance, its a very good trait

A lot of stats all the time

I believe all of this is covered in the guide

[slim pier]

I'm gonna have to reforge my fury helm

oh well

[onyx vessel]

Use 2 sets

[slim pier]

I don't have any prot trinkets

[onyx vessel]

Prot trinkets are whatever dps trinkets

[sweet summit]

You dont use tank trinkets

Rezan/vita/block/scale

[slim pier]

I have vita, dscale and 475 block

no rezan

[onyx vessel]

I use urchin when the healer is for sure shit

[sweet summit]

Vita and scale or block

Your choice

[onyx vessel]

I use my torment 445 over 460 vita

[slim pier]

You don't use versa enchants on ring?

or do you

[sweet summit]

Haste

[slim pier]

oh I already got 2 vers enchants on the ring

[sweet summit]

(Str gems),haste gems, haste enchants, force multi weapon

[onyx vessel]

Str gems

[strong forum]

Yes

120str can be used

[sweet summit]

If you play fury on the side you can stick to crit gems/enchants tbh

[strong forum]

The 80 isn't bad or wrong

[onyx vessel]

Well my set is shared with my fury

So i have all crit gems

[slim pier]

eh, the gems are really cheap

so it doesn't matter

I can just change

[onyx vessel]

But ill swap my gem in shield for str

I main fury tho

[slim pier]

how's prot for nyalotha?

I generally see monks and bdks

[real snow]

Monks are top for nya, but also prot, my last guild we did 12/12 nya HC with prot

[ionic fern]

Monks have been top for raids since forever.

So no surprise there.

Prot warriors are still solid in Nyalotha and capable of clearing the tier.

[sweet summit]

Tank ranking rate us lower of the pack 🤡

But all tanks are viable

[sick sentinel]

All tanks are viable, just prot is a little harder to work around

[slim pier]

so generally you will want to sue Shield block instead of IP?

use

[sick sentinel]

You use shield block on cd

And don't overlap it with last stand

Ip is damage smoothing

And rage sump

Dump

[real snow]

You want to keep IP up tho right

uptime wise

[sweet summit]

You dont have to

As long as you dont overcap rage

[ionic fern]

You don't use SB on CD. 🤔
You use it when actively tanking and taking physical/blockable damage.
When you are not actively tanking you can use Shield Block if you want to increase your SS damage while assuring you have enough charges for when you start tanking again.

[slim pier]

at what m+ should I start? I did tank some in this expansion, I dont think I can do it on 15+ yet

[sweet summit]

10s are easier than sub 10s tbh

Try a 10

[ebon hound]

Start at 10's so you get used to where to kite minibosses to

[slim pier]

Would would be the ideal minors for m+?

this week

[real snow]

I started at 6s to get used to the char cos I hadnt really played much I mean I levelled it via dungeons , now im on 10s

[sweet summit]

Lucid/cns/sphere/aegis/void

Pick 3

Mostly stays the same each week

Vop major ofc

[slim pier]

my sphere is arnk 1 lmao

[sweet summit]

Sphere r1 is good

Doesnt gain a lot on higher ranks

[real snow]

yeah but I hate looking at greens lol

its all about dem purples

[sweet summit]

Gold or bust

[crimson furnace]

i run mostly with VoP, lucid, CnS and sphere

and as soon as I start the 19+ keys

i do more defensive stuff based on the dungeon

and week

but overall i found the setup to be tip top

[slim pier]

I assume sphere is better for thsi week

[real snow]

yea I plan to get cns, i mean I hate arena and pvp, but gots to be done

[slim pier]

necrotic

makes kiting easier

especially with thunder clap debuff

[sweet summit]

Shockwave->leap is very efficient even without sphere

[slim pier]

at what stack should i start running

[sweet summit]

Depends on a lot

[vapid shell]

Whats your average overall dps/hps at for ex a 16/17

[sweet summit]

Pack hp? Cooldowns available? Externals?

Your hp?

[slim pier]

uh, where's darkmoon person in sw?

[sweet summit]

Etc wtc

[vapid shell]

It depends a lot from dung to dung but id like to have an ideia

[real snow]

I run with a druid so they help with cyclone / treants

sometimes we have 2 druids

[sweet summit]

@vapid shell honestly depends on if you have good corruptions or what xd

[real snow]

mist healer so they throw a ring on me

[vapid shell]

Been playing with rank1 and rank2 td, and its doing 20% my dps

Makes no sense tbh

[sweet summit]

I dont have that kind of luxury so cant really compare

[crimson furnace]

rank 3 TD

nothing else

finish between 50k and 55k dps overall

depends on a dungeon

did a WM 19 and finished in 59k

but i did some dodgy pulls

[slim pier]

sadly do not have TD rank 3 outside of the weapon

[real snow]

I will be getting my first m+ cache this week on my warr - so all of you pls pray to RNGesus

[crimson furnace]

🙏

[slim pier]

🙏

[ebon hound]

(())

[sweet summit]

🙏

[slim pier]

Why don't you play for my gettiku in chest

too

[vapid shell]

My best as a ++17 wm aswell with 50k

[real snow]

Haha lol thx.

[vapid shell]

Procs of td while using throw for keeping some aggro while kitting 👌

[crimson furnace]

procs when u charge into the pack

🍠

[ionic fern]

Procs when you randomly thunderclap and kill a critter.

👍

[slim pier]

lmao

[real snow]

procs when u just stare into the distance

[strong forum]

I wish I had TD t3, TD t2 barely does 8k dps

[slim pier]

procs when you log your character

[vapid shell]

Procs and pull all tol dagor dung

[strong forum]

Fuck TD

Look at the wall wrong and you pull 7 casters

[slim pier]

lmao

just don't play TD

[vapid shell]

jUsT fOr ThE sCoRe

[strong forum]

M-muh raider.io score

We had super clean TD 19 but then last floor happened

Like it does

[real snow]

TD is messed, i mean you only need to clap near a wall and you pull shit forget TD

[strong forum]

Chain pulled like 15 mobs

Because reasons

[sweet summit]

I got a super lucky td 20. 0 doubles on last boss and no ninjapulls

Once in a life time run

[real snow]

Yeah when I did the 15 on my hunter for the achiv i never went back in there

[hushed cobalt]

To lighten the TD hate train, in shrine if the 1st boss is on stairs and that 3pack of tidalists up; a td proc (at the bottom of the stairs) will not reach them to pull them

[strong forum]

But avengers shield can bounce into the runecaller if the first boss is in a certain spot

🙃

So that's fun

[hushed cobalt]

Throw glaive as well (tho not sure why as havoc you ever throw glaive cept for talent slow)

[strong forum]

Well vdh uses it rotationally unless you play ftd

So that's great

[hushed cobalt]

😶 guess I should start throwing a glaive

[sweet summit]

Any degenerate shear spammers in chat

[strong forum]

I wish I could play ftd but my haste is too low to make up for the dmg loss with TD procs

[sweet summit]

Get more haste

Double quick nav

[hushed cobalt]

Get this guy a blindfold and glaive

[strong forum]

Well I am going to gem and enchant haste wherever I can

Right now I have 1k crit, 1k haste, 1k versa

So that's yikes

[sweet summit]

Perfectly balanced
As all things should be

[strong forum]

Literally

[warped stag]

Hey guys
Just a question
For Prot War, what should i eat ? Hast food ? Crit food ? Versa food ?
And what kind of potion / prepotion should i use ? 🙂

[sick spindle]

Haste food is a safe option, unless you feel like you lack in a different stat. We mostly use Potion of Unbridled Fury for raw DPS increase as both prepot and pot during bosses and prepot interesting trash pulls.

At least that's what I do.

[mortal brook]

can also run weights and go with whatever food is at the top

its not a huge amount of secondary

[drifting lotus]

What are people thinking about TD Nerf?

[sick spindle]

Nothing. For most non-mdi purposes it's barely relevent

@warped stag I'd say eat what you would enchant/gem if you had another socket/ring.

[mortal brook]

a very reasonable nerf that wont affect many situations

[naive panther]

So that makes ev better for giga pulls?

[strong forum]

Not even close

TD can still hit for 3mil per proc

This nerf is only aimed at mdi pulls

In normal keys you will see almost no difference in output

EV is flat 5-6k dps at t3

That will never change unless changed ofc

[mortal brook]

EV has a ceiling on bfa split extra dmg as well

6 targets, should be

[naive panther]

Oh didn’t know ev was split

[mortal brook]

so it wont increase after that even the marginal amount it does cuz bfa split stuff

[strong forum]

TD may be capped at 10 targets, but realistically speaking you rarely pull bigger than that, most pulls are 4-7

[naive panther]

Yep

[strong forum]

And ye EV was always split

[mortal brook]

yeah since patch launch. 15% more dmg per target on the total, up to 6 targets, split across all targets.

[naive panther]

I only have two rank 1 td. But it’s so nice

[strong forum]

Idk im unhappy with my TD t2

Doesnt hit as hard/as often as I expected

[naive panther]

Was trying to get it on my dh. Guess I’ll keep shopping.

[craggy harness]

does multiple td have separate cd?

[strong forum]

No

It's just hits harder

[naive panther]

Yeah it isn’t huge as I thought either.

[craggy harness]

Ah. I haven't got a second of any

so couldn't tell

[naive panther]

But still nice. I want to try other options but not getting much anything

[strong forum]

8k dps isn't really overwhelming, like I can hit 50k overall without it...

So yeh, still hoping for t3

[exotic spoke]

Morning Prot chat

[craggy harness]

Good morning class

[drifting lotus]

Morning.

[sick spindle]

Me 2. Only have the r2 TD and it does about 15% of overall on 45-55k dps. Would love to get a r3. Fucking BDK's getting that shit for free on raidloot while we get that shit Wrathion weap lol.

[craggy harness]

piss you and your r2 😛

[warped epoch]

Is there any decent guide to Essence for high m+? All guide seems to be not agreeing, as well as a Raider.IO ranking

[craggy harness]

i'm spread with wrath weap (thankfully socketed), r1 td and r1 ev

[sick spindle]

lol, sorry for coming from a place of privilage, @craggy harness

[craggy harness]

😛

[sick spindle]

^^

[strong forum]

Td2 and ev2 here

@warped epoch the icy veins guide should have you covered

However

There's no 1 solution to essences

And no 1 perfect combination for all situations

Most of the time they don't have a massive impact

Proper play has 90%+ the better result

[craggy harness]

was there a slightly better 3rd essence for visions?

probably leaning null, but wondering if sphere for the haste/speed would help

[strong forum]

I'm running Cof Major
Vop/null/cns minor

It's not that big an impact to run 1 or the other essence

[exotic spoke]

Replace null with formless void and I’m running the same as nome

[craggy harness]

also i guess with gift, you don't need much bonus speed

[strong forum]

Shouldnt worry much about speed

More about killspeed

[exotic spoke]

Use the food for the speed

[strong forum]

Or ykno

mount

Bounding stride

[exotic spoke]

It’s more about the speed while in combat

[craggy harness]

yeah, just coming around to working things in my head 😛

had to talk it out lol

[strong forum]

While in combat you don't move much

[exotic spoke]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

Unless you never finish off the pull

[exotic spoke]

The nice speed food is nice imo.

Since some pills died super quick and dodging things but it’s preference

It’s easy as is

[craggy harness]

yeah well, borderline talent wise so I'm still at the blame it on the rng/gear stage

[exotic spoke]

Hardest part of ogeimaar is drag boss and rexxar

Most dangerous*

[craggy harness]

oddly, though not speaking at 5 mask

since i can only try that after reset

I find rexar easier than the purple panic

at thrall afterwards

[exotic spoke]

Haven’t dont a 5 mask SW only solo

[craggy harness]

might be my fov camera angle

[exotic spoke]

Rexxar is because of the 4 boars and sanity drain

Shit is bad at 5 mask

[mortal brook]

70% cloaks this week. 20% more free than last time \o/

[exotic spoke]

Yeah steve that’s what I was waiting for

[west kayak]

Hardest bosses for me are the Squidboy in Ogri and Umbric in SW.

[craggy harness]

is this the % increase week?

cool

[exotic spoke]

It’s 5% this week. It was a lot last week

Umbric is easy in a group. Haven’t done it solo but I can imagine. There are toys that will trigger him to stop his frogger bullshit

[strong forum]

Racing flag

For one

[stoic forge]

bro i was solo today with 1 orb left and no cheat death only Thrall left ... i feared the boars and one of them went through the wall and i couldnt attack it and it drained my sanity ... i was so tilted

[exotic spoke]

That is one of them

[craggy harness]

wut really

just plant it at one side

and he avoids it?

as if it were a teammate?

(of yours)

[west kayak]

What do y'all run for 5 mask solo in regards to essences/corruptions/trinkets? I use CoF Maj/TD 3 (Yea I got lucky), and Cyclo/Wrathions trinket.

[exotic spoke]

I was at 90% sanity going to thrall and used an orb on pull just cause of the boar

[mortal brook]

Fang/Vita here

[exotic spoke]

Grev that’s basically what I use but I used drestagath trinket instead of Wrathion

[craggy harness]

oh i see how it's used. that feels like a "mf that works?" type of thing

[west kayak]

I do have a 455 Fang that would melt mob packs.

[ember plinth]

Just wait until you pop the train set on the rare that patrols with the bots. "Wait, really? That works? Hey, free 200 sanity"

[exotic spoke]

Wait

Seriously?

[craggy harness]

Good thing it's on my bars

[ember plinth]

He stops and "looks for a train wrecker" for 20 seconds

So you can nuke his adds

[exotic spoke]

I never noticed that

[west kayak]

That little gnome and his shithead bots? Nice!

[craggy harness]

WELL THEN

but yeah its on my bars because off ass hat train sets

[ember plinth]

I meant the train set, not the train wrecker. Brain got confused on them

[craggy harness]

oh

i don't have that on my bars, for above reasons

[exotic spoke]

I don’t know how I feel about using a train set

[craggy harness]

Its dirty right

[exotic spoke]

Yeah

[craggy harness]

so you just wail on him while he's looking?

[ember plinth]

You nuke his shieldbot while he's looking, then he's free sanity

[exotic spoke]

Pull the bots away and nuke em

Then him

[craggy harness]

oh okay, so the bots are still active

Oh well, productive wow reset time

[ember plinth]

https://youtu.be/Ub4RuqtHZYQ?t=406 There's an example of it

6:45 if the link doesn't work

[craggy harness]

its good. its lawl

literal cast bar "searching for"

[mortal brook]

cd on the train set longer than you could chain runs tho so be careful

[craggy harness]

5 mask runs feel like something you need to relax after

it feels like lol

[ember plinth]

If you get a weakaura to track gift of the titans c/d they become easy

Just one or two bosses that can screw you over on sanity mechanics, like rexxar

[exotic spoke]

Pretty much

[mortal brook]

next org will be 75% reduc. nearly half the drain as last week's. should be no stress

[lucid dew]

what is this TD nerf is it still BIS

[wind garden]

Td is still plenty fine

Most pulls aren’t 6+, and even still it’s solid up to 10.

It’s just not nearly as strong for the giga pulls people were doing sometimes

[lucid dew]

got it i dont do giga pulls anyways so it should be about the same for me

[sick spindle]

If you're running dungeons mostly pack-by-pack, then you won't even notice any difference.

[distant crystal]

@sick sentinel

[craggy harness]

the magic 10% leech number reached?

[distant crystal]

mayyybe

[craggy harness]

whoops almost opened as prot

[tame garden]

📉

[craggy harness]

what's after a trifecta?

:/

IS 2 on a ring!

gotta catch them all

maybe if i don't take it this time and reopen i'll get something else

[lucid dew]

i got the ritual bandages

are those any good?

[craggy harness]

Heh.

Not really no.

[lucid dew]

haha

i didnt think so

[mortal brook]

bandages have scaled well, but theyre still not fantastic unless you have accountable use for them on cd

[lucid dew]

i have never got them before i never roll prot in KR ha

[mortal brook]

[craggy harness]

fark u

and gratz

enjoy your non prot mythic chests

[tame garden]

All hail king steve

[mortal brook]

i can replace my world quest items \o/

[sweet summit]

What the fuck dude

Grats

[exotic spoke]

@mortal brook heck you!

[mortal brook]

😄

[lucid dew]

that shield is fucking nuts

[craggy harness]

oh shit that ring isn't is, it's ev2

hmm

[lucid dew]

that saves you over a million gold

[craggy harness]

why the hell is raidbots telling me to keep wrathion corruption over that

[mortal brook]

is it set to multitarget?

[craggy harness]

noooo? Patchwerk.

Didn't have dps essences, but

[lucid dew]

raidbots is on crack

[sick sentinel]

Hey cuties.
Rank 3 Twilight Dev
or Rank 2 Twilight Dev + Rank 3 Surging Vitality on a 475 Fusion Hacker

[sweet summit]

3td

[sick sentinel]

I'm planning on pushing 21-22 keys this week

[craggy harness]

hmm nightly still gives same

should i go with my gut and go to ev3 td1 and cleanse wrath?

[sick sentinel]

TD is getting nerfed

so idk

[daring marlin]

7.5hrs til muh box of disappointment

[exotic spoke]

The TD nerf is fine

[west kayak]

TD nerf isnt too bad

[exotic spoke]

It’s still going to be go to for us

[craggy harness]

oh shoot, i know the problem and it's i'm dumb

not an even exchange of corruption levels so not considered

+5 taking me to 43

next week is the corruption reduction?

[daring marlin]

TD nerf is only sorta big on one pack in most dungeons.

[tame garden]

Panic sell TD

[daring marlin]

For the most part it's w/e

[tame garden]

Ruins hivemind parsing

That's about it

[daring marlin]

lol

bad rng does too

😎

[tame garden]

But ppl were already doing dumb shit

18 tanks

[sick spindle]

@craggy harness Yes, next week with r14 you will go up to 50 corruption resistance.

[craggy harness]

hmm, my only plans for this week were to do h nzoth progression

[cinder storm]

I got a second TD R3 but I can't wear it 😦

[sick spindle]

This week is only 5% sanity loss red.

[craggy harness]

i shouldn't have to worry about 43 corruption on that

i think?

[tame garden]

Nah

Heroic raid is meme dmg intake

43 is perfectly fine

[craggy harness]

I'm living the meme still

too small a server

😛

[sick spindle]

Anything under 60 is ezpz on Heroic raid

[tame garden]

Small server doesnt make it hurt more tho

[craggy harness]

no, but i'd have dipped into mythic otherwise

by now

probably finish levelling a monk and tank/heal for the guild with him for shadowlands

and move warrior elsewhere

[west kayak]

I just opened my chest and got 475 boots with VR rank 3. My current boots are 460 with TD rank 3...

[sick spindle]

On high keys or Mythic raid I'd go with sub40, but that's personal preference. You can run sub60 in those safely too if you know what you're doing.

[tame garden]

I have so much void ritual

I wonder how high I can go

[lucid dew]

my server is on crack the shield is selling for 10 million gold on ah ha

[west kayak]

I sold a BoE Heroic shield on my server, mastery proc rank 3, for 350k. Not a bad pay day.

[lucid dew]

wow ha

i need that damn 475 shield

[craggy harness]

mine was similar

It's a good day when first trash drop of the day in a heroic drops that boe shield

"Why thank you, don't mind if I do"

[lucid dew]

i still ahve a 445 shield

[west kayak]

I have a 470 and I am good with that.

[lucid dew]

ill never get one

[craggy harness]

That.

[drifting lotus]

Gratz @mortal brook !

[flint cliff]

goodmorning all. got a new belt, wondering what your thoughts are on this corruption replacement

[drifting lotus]

Your set on shield... That bad boy will never be replaced!!

[lucid dew]

475 imo

[drifting lotus]

You could sim it

[iron raptor]

ok fellas.. Engineering headgear or azerite piece?

[mortal brook]

whats the opportunity cost; could you get an azerite chest or shoulders instead alongside the engy helm?

[strong forum]

Best helmet without bom

It's very solid

[iron raptor]

yeah, equal opportunity.. just wondering if I should blow my titan resid on a helm or blow it on shoulders and work for the eng head instead

the lack of BOM was kind of weird to me... so wondered if it was a bad trade

[strong forum]

Get engi helm, it's free 480

Then focus on shoulders

Or well

If you can get access to skitra mythic, buy chest

[iron raptor]

cool, thanks for the input

[mortal brook]

skitra def solid piece

[strong forum]

I'd never see the day I give advice to a printer.

[mortal brook]

puggable at this point even

[flint cliff]

does the engi helm take a few weeks or could i bumrush it today and get it

[lucid dew]

do you have the shreds

[strong forum]

Takes 2 weeks if you fullclear heroic

[mortal brook]

if you have unlocked capability to craft it, today

[strong forum]

If you don't have the shreds that is

But it's really cheap in crafting

[flint cliff]

full name of the item?

[strong forum]

And leveling up engi

[mortal brook]

wrathion has the crafting focus this tier

[hallow phoenix]

Didn't get TD but i got a 475 shield woooooooo

[mortal brook]

\o/

[hallow phoenix]

vers > crit

with a vers proc rank... 1? 2? 20 corruption

[flint cliff]

good corruption?

[hallow phoenix]

yeah pretty good

one of the higher dps/rating ones i think

[flint cliff]

shit my other ones are 460 socketed

[hallow phoenix]

can always sim

[west kayak]

Simbot doesn't work quite right with VR does it? I ran it twice now and it says "14 per sec" vs "63 per sec".

[lunar jackal]

is the clockwork trait good?

[hallow phoenix]

I like it hroglar

[mortal brook]

yeah, thats a lot of stats

like a compressed HoD

[hallow phoenix]

did you get the chest or shoulders

cause the chest is amazing

[wind garden]

Shoulders are pretty solid too

[hallow phoenix]

for sure

but chest has OP

[wind garden]

Oh. Yeah. Chest wins.

[hallow phoenix]

and BiS Longstrider :^)

[wind garden]

Jesus

I need to start gambling on helm next week to replace engineering

Two weeks from now

[mortal brook]

tankadin chest doesnt have OP cuz healer slot in that ring -.-

nerf warrs

[lunar jackal]

chest

i gave up a BOM for it but 30 ilvl upgrade so

[hallow phoenix]

So this vers proc shield doesnt really fit in any corruption budget i have

should i purify it...

[daring marlin]

y tho

[edgy bone]

hey guys i got the Nzoth trinket

Is Urchin from EP still BIS for us?

or no

Not sure if I should roll arms for razor coral or prot for urchin

and just use humming dragonscale and Nzoth trinket for prot

[hallow phoenix]

I personally have stopped using urchin in all content but still use razor coral in raids

[edgy bone]

You use razor coral for prot?

[hallow phoenix]

yeah its big damage in riads

raids

[edgy bone]

hmm ok

[warm silo]

best minors for m+?

[hallow phoenix]

cns/lucid/sphere/aegis

[warm silo]

null dynamo?

[craggy harness]

hmm, really wants to give me ev today

[left hatch]

null is great in raid

but niche in M+

[sweet summit]

Null is useable. Pretty good in workshop tbh

[left hatch]

if you're not pushing really high keys theres better options

exception is yah workshop cause its a ST boss rush

[warm plinth]

PSA: Coalescing Visions cap was removed yesterday and major assault now gives 12,500 visions instead of 1 vessel + 2500 visions. So don't freak out thinking you overcapped 🙂

[lunar jackal]

ty for that

[distant crystal]

hmmmmm

[hallow phoenix]

if only the vessels stacked

instead of taking up all my inventory space

[distant crystal]

just don't buy them

until you're about to use them

4head

[hallow phoenix]

i have a bunch from when we were capped at 25000

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's what I'm planning on. Just hoard the visions and only buy vessels when needed

Run your visions Tusks 😠

[distant crystal]

it's no ashvane warden

but i'll take it

[left hatch]

thats the chest i got 😄

[warm plinth]

I'm 400 residuum shy of my last 480 :/

Which means I won't get it til next week

[distant crystal]

this is the third chest i've bought

kek

[flint cliff]

what addon changed the display on azerite hover @distant crystal

[exotic spoke]

@warm plinth islands and pvp and maybe you’ll get enough. Also pug raid

[distant crystal]

hmm?

[flint cliff]

the mousover interface for your azerite pieces looks modified

[distant crystal]

oh uh

probably...azeritetooltip

kinda forgot that was an addon 😮

[drifting lotus]

Thoughts?

[vocal jacinth]

it shouldn't be but it is x)

[edgy bone]

@drifting lotus incoming 2400 arena rating

[daring marlin]

@warm plinth do islands and pray

[edgy bone]

Do you guys open your chest as arms or prot?

[distant crystal]

is 2400 where they start rightclicking the tendies to 1shot them

😄

[warm plinth]

Imagine telling me to do raid @exotic spoke

[distant crystal]

i've been opening as prot praying for shield

[exotic spoke]

Go do your hecking raid!

[distant crystal]

only one F trinket

so far

[warm plinth]

I don't have the money for raid right now

🙂

[exotic spoke]

I said pug

Pug heroic. Gimme bosses drop Azerite

[distant crystal]

you know

if mchimba's actually had the visual of being wrapped up like a mummy

i'd prob use it

lazy ass pw:s looking thing

[exotic spoke]

Ask @tame garden nicely to go to offnight heroic

[wooden radish]

@exotic spoke @warm plinth what did we get out of our weekly chests

[exotic spoke]

Haven’t looked yet. At work @wooden radish

Did you get anything good?

[wooden radish]

on main pally, ring with haste proc corruption

[west kayak]

I got Ashvanes in my RNG gamble today. Happy day!

[wooden radish]

alt pally and monk = trinkets including armor trinket :reeeeeeeeeeeee:

[warm plinth]

I got a Mecha ring (not a good activator) with 12% haste on my DH

[exotic spoke]

Yeah that’s a - reeeeeeeeeeeee

[warm plinth]

But Mecha set isn’t really good for me anyway

So I’m just happy it’s an upgrade

And not gloves for fucking once this season

[wooden radish]

i just want a shield from my chest 😦

[ionic fern]

Same.

[wooden radish]

blizzard is being ahem cheap with shield drops this tier 😦

[clever arch]

Hello Guys, i just started again and i cant decide if i should go warri or death knight... Basiclly i wanna tank with my squad in m+ and do high keys. In raids i wanna go as dd. Raid is not that important than m+ to me. So what would be ur suggestions?

[wooden radish]

if you eventually want to push high keys, Warrior is better than DK in almost every way

[lunar jackal]

what do you consider high keys?

[clever arch]

15-20

[wooden radish]

then it doesn't matter

both are similar

[lunar jackal]

well as lincoln said warr is better but

if u are gonna run with a consistent team

just play we u enjoy the most

[wooden radish]

warrior pulls ahead at keys above that

[exotic spoke]

I despise their placement of shields

[clever arch]

okay, and what do u think about the dmg specs for raid?

[exotic spoke]

On the raid loot tables

[wooden radish]

warriors are really good for DPS this tier

[lunar jackal]

again

[sick sentinel]

just buy one

[wooden radish]

Arms with triple Test of Might

[lunar jackal]

unless ur playing top tier world first guilds

u should play we u enjoy the most

[exotic spoke]

Hard to Kyothi when they aren’t on my server. Transferring shit gets expensive and not worth imo

[daring marlin]

If only they put the bis shield on the first boss

like BoD

xD

[edgy bone]

BiS shield is from Ilgy right

[clever arch]

Okay, thank you very much ❤️

[exotic spoke]

Bis shield is from ML

[edgy bone]

Motherlode?

[wooden radish]

ML shield with TD is the dream

😦

[exotic spoke]

Yeah gotta get it out of the chest

[edgy bone]

What makes it so good

[exotic spoke]

Haste crit

[wooden radish]

or underrot shield with TD

😦

[lunar jackal]

so sad about the TD nerf

😦

[edgy bone]

TD get nerfed today?

[lunar jackal]

yesterday actually

[edgy bone]

What was the nerf

[wooden radish]

they hard capped its damage in cleave

[edgy bone]

So how big of a nerf is that really

[lunar jackal]

depends on how big u pull

[edgy bone]

like huge?

[wooden radish]

starts to decay after 5 targets hit and won't hit anything above 10

[exotic spoke]

TD nerf is actually well thought out now

[warm plinth]

Honestly not going to be bad

It was a really well done nerf

[exotic spoke]

I like how they nerfed it

[lunar jackal]

Twilight Devastation’s effectiveness has been reduced in situations where it strikes more than 5 targets. It has been changed as follows:
Deals normal damage on up to 5 targets.
Deals 50% reduced damage to targets 6 through 10.
Shrinks in radius each time it damages a target above 5, causing it to disappear after hitting 10 targets.

[edgy bone]

Gotcha

[warm plinth]

For most people who are typically pulling one pack at a time, it'll be unchanged. For people who like to pull bigger, it'll be probably 75%ish effectiveness, and for MDI it won't be the deciding factor :p

[lunar jackal]

XD

[exotic spoke]

It needed a nerf imo and I think this is a good one

[lunar jackal]

no more 400k dps pulls for me

sad

[edgy bone]

Did cape rank go up

[lunar jackal]

(when lucky with procs)

but yeah it needed a nerf

[warm plinth]

Cape rank goes up every week til 15

[sick sentinel]

It legit is uneffected on 99% of dungeons

[warm plinth]

But you don't get more CR this week

[sick sentinel]

because you rarely ever pull full 10 mobs

[warm plinth]

This week is just 5% more sanity loss reduction

[sick sentinel]

especially in higher keys

[exotic spoke]

Pretty much kyothi. It’s designed to impact MDI

[warm plinth]

Yeah exactly. Like, you won't be able to pad on droplets or orb room anymore, but that's really the only noticeable change

I mean, besides the normal pad anyway

[lunar jackal]

THA PARSE

[sick sentinel]

like you still can pad

10 targets still does like 1m damage if you get it on pull

[warm plinth]

Yeah for sure

[exotic spoke]

But muh temple pad!

[sick sentinel]

1m dps*

[wooden radish]

@warm plinth also changed for MDI. you won't see groups with all TDs just deleting massive pulls.

since in MDI you can customize corruption gear

[sick sentinel]

https://prnt.sc/rb0e1j

I got this shitty thing for helm roll

[warm plinth]

That's a yikes

At least it has OP and IV? 😅

[edgy bone]

ANy good prot warrior guides for m+ you recommend?

[naive panther]

Fml. Sporepods....

[warm plinth]

RIIIIIP

[naive panther]

Then void ritual bracers again on dh.

At least I got chromatic boots and the cloak from bwl last night, since I never got anything from mc. Finally had baller rolls.

[edgy bone]

You guys plan on pulling awakened bosses with the final boss in dungeons this week

since theyre not empowered

tyrasnnical*

[sick sentinel]

They aren't affected by anything

it's key level

You pull it with last bosses regardless of affix

[drifting lotus]

not into PVP at ALL - but since someone mentioned my corruption is legit in pvp i gotta ask - how would prot tank/bear do in 2v2?

[edgy bone]

BAD

[drifting lotus]

i suppose i could ask that in the pvp room

[left hatch]

prot + something else worked fine

so why not bear?

not like you need any skill to get to 1600

[drifting lotus]

i would think we'd be fairly unkillable

[left hatch]

bear yes

you no

[warm plinth]

You can't do prot/bear anyway in 2s

Unless it's been changed, you can't queue for 2s with 2 tanks

[drifting lotus]

oh - didn't know that

[exotic spoke]

I did prot hpal and prot hdh last season to get CnS at 1600 ish

[strong forum]

I mean that helmet used to be bis for parsing kyothi

[hallow phoenix]

that helmet is still near-BiS for parsing

and should still be on single target outside of mythic nzoth helm

[sweet summit]

@sick sentinel pretty sure their hp scales with tyrann/fort. At least in mdt 🤔 so i assume damage does too

[sick sentinel]

I know it's bis

for st damage

[daring marlin]

@sick sentinel Seems you like being contrarian for no particular reason. edgy online boi op

[sick sentinel]

I mean nomeratur should know I know this

[red dock]

IF tends to be better for M+ than a second DC right?

[warm plinth]

Defensively/generally yes, offensively probably not

[red dock]

Okay ty, also would Incite the Pack be better than bloodsport? Not sure how good these aredefensively

[hallow phoenix]

I'd take incite

[sweet summit]

Same

[red dock]

awesome, thanks guys

[edgy bone]

This meaning nothing for M+ right? So basically complete worthless event

[nimble brook]

doesn't apply to M+ but you can complete the weekly quest by doing m+ for a heroic nyalotha drop

[edgy bone]

So I could get Devastations Hour

From weekly event

[nimble brook]

Yes

[edgy bone]

😮

[nimble brook]

I would assume so since it is in the heroic loot table

[edgy bone]

Where do i get the quest

Now I'm excited

[nimble brook]

I'm not online so I can't check but I believe it is just a heroic nyalotha cache

usually you can pick up the quest from your adventure journal (shift + j as default)

[sweet summit]

Enter a dungeon and youll automatically get it

[edgy bone]

NICE

[sweet summit]

I wonder if you get nzoth or carapace loot, will it scale or be bugged

[mortal brook]

itll be appropriately ilvl'd

[sweet summit]

Pog

[mortal brook]

same as ones from TWing cache

[drifting lotus]

that's one of the better weeks for that weekly. NICE

[tropic oriole]

Mythic dungeons means everything above m0?

[nimble brook]

m0 and above should count

[sweet summit]

Any dungeon where you have to put in a keystone

Alao normal mythics

[tropic oriole]

Thx

[sick sentinel]

So for this week in m+, which essences would be helpful? Especially in 10+?

[strong forum]

The same as always

[modern brook]

whats cape cap

[lusty grotto]

where my homies at

[strong forum]

Essences 👏 don't 👏 change 👏 based 👏 on 👏 affixes 👏

[modern brook]

i forgot to do that for like 3 weeks

[strong forum]

13 with this week's reset

[modern brook]

sick im at 8