bdk with maut weapon and TD on something I bet
#protection
strong forum
Nzoth weapon 470
terse oasis
lol afflock
strong forum
That's all the corruption he has
sick sentinel
Bm is good, arms is good, hpal is bis, ret is fine when u pull for wings
daring marlin
that works then w/e
daring marlin
bdk TDs are big boi
strong forum
Surv hunter pumps
terse oasis
veng DH TD's during meta are pog
strong forum
Surv hunter does some really good dps, it's just why play surv when you can play bm
left hatch
well yah you have like 1.5m health as veng
left hatch
and with FTD glut you live in vengeance
terse oasis
clapping for 400k TD's
terse oasis
honestly, i'm shocked TD hasn't been nerfed yet with how much damage it does for tanks
or anyone really
sick sentinel
Td is rng based
strong forum
Kyothi I didn't say its a dogshit comp, I'm saying comp doesn't matter, I'm well aware that the classes are good
terse oasis
i suppose so
tame nest
Question, does spell reflect negate the damage from abyssal strike or just reduce it on mythic Xanesh?
strong forum
There's a spreadsheet in #268491842637660160 you can always frequent about stuff like that
daring marlin
Ret is so much better now than before essences in general
royal rune
Hey guys quick question: should I be aiming to TC every 2 GCDs in mythics ?
daring marlin
many wings
tame nest
Thanks!
daring marlin
much damage
strong forum
Everytime it's ready
mortal brook
yes, in any non-ST scenario you want to Tclap early and often
royal rune
Yup
left hatch
itll vary based on your haste and if ava is up
left hatch
so with the right haste procs you can be clapping every other gcd even without avatar if you get procs to line up
yes
terse oasis
Another question cause you guys might know, there was a weak aura called like "whiskey dingo" or something like that, that made a noise and showed a sawblade icon when you got targeted by a boss, so you knew you were the target of a boss ability
hoary root
Do you guys thunder clap during ST. Or the other spells
terse oasis
does anyone know the actual name of that cause iforgot
terse oasis
saw dingo.. not whiskey dingo. man i was sorta off on that
left hatch
i just use bigwigs
and it announces abilities
or you can edit it to announce what you want
hoary root
Okay. What about revenge and devastate?
left hatch
st its SS>TC>Revenge>deva
terse oasis
i like dbm and spell announce, but the "DING" when you get targeted is helpful (like spell reflecting the curse from the spider)
royal rune
With my azerite gear then stacking BoM and Deafening crash c3 would be BIS in mythics?
left hatch
you don't stack Deafening crash
royal rune
I've heard revenge can rage starve you
strong forum
You don't spam revenge
left hatch
^ i meant free revenge
strong forum
You use it when you cant press SS or TC
royal rune
But stacking DC would get you much more dps
strong forum
No it wont
terse oasis
1 DC, 3x BoM, then 2x what ever i think?
royal rune
Ms is?
strong forum
Meticulous scheming
left hatch
meticulous scheming
royal rune
Ok
left hatch
huge hast proc, 30% uptime
hoary root
Guess I gotta relook into my Azerites. Been stacking DC. Btw anybody using engineer goggles?
royal rune
Can I get BiS azerite from titan residuum then?
terse oasis
also getting 3x BoM is hilarious, being at like 100% or more mastery when you avatar
strong forum
Pretty much jezza
strong forum
You'd need to have 2k mastery before bom to have 100% mastery Zea
terse oasis
jezza - you'll get higher ilvl from mythic raid, but not huge iirc
left hatch
but yah at this point raid gear will outscale it, not only because the +10 ilvls but i believe HoD is better than MS
terse oasis
i think i sit at 35-40% mastery before avatar.. just the way the gear i've gotten works out
strong forum
Hod is pretty equal to MS, slightly better, but GL getting carapace and nzoth mythic
left hatch
well like skittra shoulders > krakens
sick sentinel
Just pug it
strong forum
I cba putting in the effort on an expac that's already over
left hatch
HoD + OP/UF = ❤️
strong forum
Pugging mythic
terse oasis
pug mythic nzython 😂
strong forum
Are you OK hawgz
sick sentinel
🙃
royal rune
@terse oasis iirc means?
terse oasis
if i recall correctly
strong forum
If I remember correctly
left hatch
but yah tldr DC stacking is a stayover from S2
and isn't really worth it anymore
the nerf to Tclap talent killed that meme
strong forum
Imagine reaping now
strong forum
Bruuuh
terse oasis
"reap" td x4 "never mind"
strong forum
Huge reaping TD pad
left hatch
i miss reaping
naive panther
Clockworkx2 with triple bom and dc is prettty bad ass.
sick sentinel
You know reaping was fun but I feel blizzard did a decent job with awakened
Compared to beguiling which was just shit
sweet summit
Awakened owns
left hatch
id rather have a 'fun' nonaffix than something like infested or beguiling
awakened is great though
strong forum
Awakened opened the path for non rogue comps
terse oasis
oh beguiling was absolutely awful
the pillar tunnels for awakened are great, the minibosses could give more % than they do but other than that
and even then, it's a super minor grip
strong forum
Awakened is actually better than reaping, cuz you can actually play dungeons like ML or TD
left hatch
ML has become my favorite now
terse oasis
i still hate TD, the wall/floor clipping and camera views
sick sentinel
Ml is fun
strong forum
ML was always fun, but now it's actually playable without stupid fucking deathskips
tame garden
Delete tol dagor
strong forum
Facts
strong forum
Ye
tame garden
I've done 2 tols this season and I dont plan to go back
left hatch
im just ready for beta/alpha
strong forum
We got to do it for like 2 weeks, then It was fixed
left hatch
don't even care if i don't get in
sick sentinel
Td is fun
left hatch
im salivating to see the dungeons
terse oasis
i think my fav dungeon in s4 is probably ToS
left hatch
ToS i only liked cause Spell reflect
strong forum
I hope I'll get beta again so I can get headstart on learning 'new' prot war
left hatch
now im a traitor HDH i dont care about it
hoary root
Mecha rings best rings?
exotic spoke
Shrine is fun now imo. Waycrest and temple are good too
terse oasis
what did you reflect in ToS that was that cool?
terse oasis
like the meatballs are okay
left hatch
does more than 1m per reflect
terse oasis
oh you can SR cyclone?!
strong forum
Cyclone strike, easily topping meters
tame garden
Cyclone is biggest reflect in the game
terse oasis
holy shit.. i'm an idiot
exotic spoke
Yes
strong forum
Lemme reflect for 1.5mil+
tame garden
Boss visibly chunks
left hatch
WCM also has a sizable reflect that ppl overlook
terse oasis
that seems counterintuitive
left hatch
from lord and lady
terse oasis
oh the fester strike
tame garden
Witches and lord/lady
terse oasis
i knew th at one
strong forum
Ye thats a massive one
hoary root
I only know mecha last boss reflect lol
terse oasis
reflecting the curse back on the spider is also fun (or is it the poision, or maybe both?)
strong forum
Prot war is a must have on Wcm tyr
exotic spoke
Shrine too @left hatch I think shrine is larger than witches
sweet summit
Spell reflect is a balanced spell :)
terse oasis
the 3rd boss of mech SR is really good
left hatch
ppl don't think about poor lord waycrest
terse oasis
which one in shrine are you talking about?
exotic spoke
Every other strike is reflectable
sweet summit
SR was over 10% of my damage in a shrine 19 i did the other day
left hatch
3rd boss shrine
strong forum
3rd boss
exotic spoke
Third boss in shrine Zea
left hatch
Bloodbolt in UR also a hidden gem
exotic spoke
In 20 keys it does like 700K+
strong forum
That's like 500k+
exotic spoke
Bloodbolt was nerfed
strong forum
Na Morrison
exotic spoke
Feelsbadman
left hatch
aww rip didn't play prot s1
strong forum
To run prot war on it
warm plinth
Consume in Junk is the real hidden gem
terse oasis
BDK S1 fo rme
sweet summit
True pinky
strong forum
Prot all the way
terse oasis
lolstorm
strong forum
Ever since beta
And thats when people found out about prot power
Was late S1 and prot war
In UR
warm plinth
But hey that Details WA has been around for a while and Blizz hasn't nerfed SR yet, so that's a 
hoary root
When do you cast reflect for consume?
warm plinth
Before it goes off
hoary root
Been dodging it like forever and now I know
warm plinth
Can also be dispelled off a DPS and it won't reapply, so your healer should if they can (I can't remember if it's disease or magic)
strong forum
Just wait to shadowlands 200% trahs in every dungeon and no spires
Imagine every dungeon being seat
Can't wait 
left hatch
id be ok with more trash
sick sentinel
Fun
warm plinth
I can proudly say that I've never done Seat higher than Heroic.
royal rune
@left hatch which mech pair? Overclocking and the 3 ability one right?
left hatch
they just need to find a balance between the 'do nothing' trash of legion and the "EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE INTERRUPTED" of bfa
yah haste proc and 3 abilities on 1 target
sweet summit
Kinda yea, but nerf eudora
strong forum
Obv
left hatch
find better ways to make trash challenging than throwing in interrupts
so groups w/o 3 melee interrupts are viable again
or just give every class a 15s interrupt
exotic spoke
Groups with two interrupts are fine. And honestly the only way they could give 15 second interrupt time more ranged would be to give it a melee range restriction
IMO
sweet summit
Im gonna tank as fury in SL
exotic spoke
Run with two melee and a ranged with no problem
exotic spoke
DH, rogue, spriest, prot r Druid
mortal brook
just take a tankadin. np
sweet summit
Ew
mortal brook
'me next'
left hatch
you have 3 melee interrupts there silly
mortal brook
'me next'
left hatch
DH, tank and rogue
mortal brook
'me next'
strong forum
It takes so much fun out of it having to interrupt every 4 seconds
sick sentinel
I did a seat 24
exotic spoke
I was talking about 2 melee dps which is what you said Morrison
I think I’ve also done lock spriest DH prot rdruid
strong forum
Like I wanna blast, not play minigames just to not die to 1 cast
exotic spoke
Let me check
sweet summit
Same nome
warm plinth
"DPS get this next one"
"jk I got it"
"Ok get this one"
"jk I got it"
left hatch
i meant you almost need 2-3 melee interrupts
not necesarily melee dps
so any flavor of shaman would fill that slot
or you wont be successful
exotic spoke
I meant with those three dps + rdruid and prot war
2 ranged interrupts 2 melee is what we had but it’s only a 17
left hatch
yah not ideal but it can work
either way some places have an unfair emphasis on interrupts
that doesn't really add to the game
it just narrows whats 'viable' in high keys depending on comp
hoary root
Btw how do you all deal with necrotic in PUGS
left hatch
and can give a stigma to some classes solely because they lack an interrupt
warm plinth
Well, you don't really NEED 3 melee interrupts. It's the long interrupts or the no interrupts that make it an issue.
For example if you have like tank/melee/24 sec/24 sec
That's enough for basically any rotation
left hatch
anything 15 below you can kill before it stacks up usually
stun+leap away is also a good solution
exotic spoke
I agree to that Morrison. But I don’t think ranged can’t have a ranged interrupt on a 15 second CD unless everyone’s interrupt is ranged
left hatch
dks have a 'semi' ranged interrupt
daring marlin
Kicks should be 8s again
left hatch
just change pummel to a weapon throw or something
warm plinth
Like 2nd boss Shrine is only a 3 interrupt rotation, so you just do Tank>Melee>Ranged 1>Tank>Melee>Ranged 2 etc
daring marlin
Healers should have kicks again too
warm plinth
I definitely agree with healers should have kicks again
left hatch
even if they just let it happen in PVE and not pvp
daring marlin
Sure.
warm plinth
I'm fine with that
daring marlin
I miss rebuke on hpal
left hatch
tldr my point was they should find ways to make trash challenging outside of just tossing in tons of 'if you don't interrupt this you die' casts
daring marlin
muh coordination
exotic spoke
I’m fine with it as is. But think it would be better if they could Morrison. I just don’t know a non-Aids way to do that
strong forum
Make it so they only cast once / have more dodge mechanics
Mechagon last boss is perfect tbh
Sure it's alot of magic dmg, but it's not overwhelming and mostly dodgable
And if say dodging the bombs is hard, literally you issue
left hatch
mechagon has fantastic boss design
strong forum
Except toss and tunks or w/e name flames, that shit hits kinda retardedly hard
left hatch
FH or seige trash id say is a good example of good trash design
handful of interrupts
but trash hurts/hits hard in other ways
charges to bait out and dodge, handful of things to stun
left hatch
yah unavoidable instantly lethal damage is dumb
exotic spoke
I think this expac is better for it than last.
hallow phoenix
But late but one of the reasons I like rsham so much is the kick
Kick on healer is so powerful
exotic spoke
At some point it has to be a survivability check of sorts otherwise what is the healer doing
Now changing it to higher damage taken over time instead of instant is a possibility
strong forum
That would be better yes
Like galvazzt is perfect now
Maybe a little too easy maybe
Well, at lower keys
exotic spoke
But at some point certain mechanics will still one shot
You will reach a level that it happens.
exotic spoke
Does it matter if it’s a 20 or 25 or 30
left hatch
is a good example
strong forum
Ye but you reach the level of getting 1shot way earlier than meeting dps checks
exotic spoke
Yup, FH starts getting real dangerous at 20 tyrannical
strong forum
I would much rather fail a key to dps than to dying randomly
daring marlin
^
exotic spoke
I guess my point is - making every dungeon have similar issues would be too homogenous. I don’t really see an issue with having some that are more survival checks versus dps checks
daring marlin
big true
exotic spoke
Siege is just terrible from a balance standpoint and should be removed imo
exotic spoke
The horde v alliance disparity is retarded
exotic spoke
Just give us the horde route for all of it in M+
Fuck the lore
By M+ you’re not doing it for lore
The fact that I have a 20 second RP that horde doesn’t is bullshit
strong forum
Wanting to be an esport but have different dungeons based on faction with severe differences ok...
Sure kid
drifting lotus
who the f has 85 neck :badpokerface:
exotic spoke
I think I’m 82 or almost 82
warm plinth
You're gonna talk about RP when you guys have that completely fucking obnoxious trash at the start? XD
I'd think the RP was minor compared to that garbage
warm plinth
I'm 80 as of this morning. And I don't do shit
strong forum
Literally stopped doing any AP stuff besides 3k AP emissary after 75
ruby nexus
does neck lvl even do anything other than add stamina and secondaries
strong forum
Past 80, no
drifting lotus
in 4 weeks it will only take 10k to get from 80 to 81 - seems like
warm plinth
Yeah some essences do still scale past 80
daring marlin
They cut ak off eventually
warm plinth
But e.g. Vision doesn't
daring marlin
...for some reason
exotic spoke
You’ll eventually reach a point where you’re going to get a level a week for how much you play
@warm plinth yeah that trash before boss 1 is aids. But so is having 20 seconds of dead time. It’s easier to point to that and quantify it than the time spent on trash
warm plinth
Yeah, the fire bomb guy seemed the worst the few times I've done it
Eh, not really
Alliance boss spams adds; horde boss caps at 4
We literally just CC adds and burn boss, which you can't really do on alliance (that I'm aware of) because you'd get overwhelmed with adds at some point
daring marlin
¯_(ツ)_/¯
warm plinth
Can't dodge noose on horde but unless you have like a priest as your only ranged, it's really not a concern
exotic spoke
Alliance boss never stops spawning shit that has to be killed / at least some of it
Just give us horde route and no rp - we good then
I’ll take horde siege over alliance any day of the week and I’ve done both
warm plinth
Yeah I would as well
daring marlin
Seems like the pug healers I get are always shit when it comes to the noose on Horde side.
lol
warm plinth
PUGs in Siege are just scary af anyway
Because 90% of them want to run with the noose instead of going in and then out
And if your only ranged is your healer, that pretty much means they're going to die
Since they can't heal with the noose on them
daring marlin
Interesting. I only started doing M+ Horde side this season. I haven't played much since S2 either.
exotic spoke
Don’t you literally just run through the boss ?
daring marlin
When there weren't more adds spawning I thought they just changed the dungeon some.
gg alliance
warm plinth
Yeah but you have to have some kind of movespeed increase
strong forum
Ye you run through riki, but you need some sort of mobility
warm plinth
Or you won't get out in time
strong forum
To get out in time
exotic spoke
We get like 4-5 sets or so?
warm plinth
Yeah I remember in S2 I decided to go back and do a dungeon on my alliance warrior and I was just half afk tanking my 4 adds
And then all of a sudden I noticed there's 4 more running everywhere
Because on horde I'm done at that point and no more spawn unless one dies
sick sentinel
If you were to target a shield to farm for an upgrade, which one would you chase? The AD one?
warm plinth
ML probably
exotic spoke
Mother lode
warm plinth
But AD gives you a chance at Rezan too so might be a better option if you need both.
exotic spoke
But any are fine really
sick sentinel
Lode also has a bomb ass ring too
daring marlin
I got lucky af
modest dragon
Doing my first +15 today, and ive been doing a lot of research before hand. I want to do a Kings Rest. This is my first real patch playing a prot warrior, and new to tanking as well. Only thing I am indecisive about are my essences. I'm seeing a lot of lucid dreams major, and was thinking VoP/Null/warden minors? Any suggestions?
sick sentinel
And is probably easier overall than AD as this point I’d guess
daring marlin
Just gotta put a socket on that bitch
sick sentinel
All your luck gone
sick sentinel
That’s a huge piece tho. For real.
daring marlin
@modest dragon do vision major
And be careful with berserkers
Only real danger in that dungeon
warm plinth
Wait isn't ML ring the haste/mast ring?
drifting lotus
seems like there would be better rings
warm plinth
AD has a vers/haste ring I believe? Isn't regal loa from AD?
modest dragon
Appreciate the tip. Should I suggest lust for 3rd or last boss?
daring marlin
Haste/crit maybe but I still like it
warm plinth
I'd rather have that than football champ ring
sick sentinel
Oh yeah that Loa. I forgot that’s in there too. Does it actually exist? I only ever get hands in there
warm plinth
I have a 455 socketed one from last season 🙂
sick sentinel
Rezan proposed 💍
warm plinth
Nah I actually got the holy grail on my DH though
Wouldn't be as good for prot probably
warm plinth
You're a footbomb
daring marlin
🥶
warm plinth
My DH has a 465 waycrest signet 😄
sick sentinel
I feel AD is so rough with the obelisks
warm plinth
With a socket
daring marlin
I like it a lot with obelisks
nimble brook
I just skip the obelisk outside of troll boss and do it with the boss
daring marlin
Only harder bit I can think of is if you do that one double honorguard pack
And go into volkaal with it
broken stratus
i feel AD is only one that still kinda of require a rogue
daring marlin
That pack sucks
strong forum
Ad is defo way harder with tank buster pillar requiring rogue /mage/hunter/deathskip
broken stratus
with rogue you can also skip the one on right with distract if they do it right
warm plinth
We just have our hunter pull the one on the right near the entrance and the one in mid, and our rogue usually does the one outside Volkaal
exotic spoke
I just hope for a shield - I don’t care what’s on it
daring marlin
No shields for you buster
exotic spoke
I have a 465. Just need a mythic one
brisk rain
Guys, what do you think is better for m+, 18 and higher, rank 3 td or +12% haste, rank 3 mastery proc and rank 2 void ritual?
warm plinth
Easily Rank 3 TD
warm plinth
You can sim it if you don't believe me, but I'd put money on it
brisk rain
Yikes
left hatch
just a trivial 10k
strong forum
Ye nothing game breaking tbh
brisk rain
Aight, thx
strong forum
Clearly balanced and intended
left hatch
seems fair
strong forum
strong forum
Getting td3 2h weapon would be biggest kick in the balls
And the most hurtful purify in the game
drifting lotus
that would suck - maybe just loot prot?
warm plinth
Is TD3 that bad for DPS specs?
strong forum
For dh it's bis
warm plinth
But I also have haste scaling on my side
cyan shadow
I'd sell my soul for TD 3
warm plinth
Furious Gaze is bae
drifting lotus
i have a TD3 ring and TD1 waist
strong forum
Expedient / racing pulse is better
brisk rain
I want to set loot spec for prot when opening chest
strong forum
Than TD
brisk rain
But
warm plinth
Where do you guys get all this fucking corruption though
brisk rain
If i get some useless tank trinket imma slit my wrists
strong forum
I have 475 shield and 470 weapon
brisk rain
And hang myself
strong forum
I'd be retarded to loot as prot
brisk rain
Im rocking 440 pvp shield
brisk rain
Arms is good :D
drifting lotus
i have 465 weapon and 470 shield. i'll loot prot until they're both 475
brisk rain
Is shield ilvl also that important?
brisk rain
Trekie how did you get 470 shield?
strong forum
It's the most important thing to get
drifting lotus
from chest
drifting lotus
wasn't doing 15s
brisk rain
Ahh ok
warm plinth
We got our first good corruption from M+ last night
And it wasn't even good enough for some to be like "hell yeah!"
It was just not useless
drifting lotus
what was it?
warm plinth
Oh lol, he didn't actually end up using it?
sharp night
i don't think so lol
warm plinth
RIIIIIP
brisk rain
How is CD reduction corrupt on prot?
warm plinth
Not good
sharp night
cdr is literally only good for hasteweaver and hpal afaik
sharp night
1 a week is a lot
brisk rain
Wait so
sharp night
we run like 30ish keys a week and have seen maybe 2 or 3 corruptions
brisk rain
At the end we gonna have like 135, resistance?
sharp night
since the season start
no, i just said 125 is the cap
oh 135 if you include the essence yeah
strong forum
I've gotten 1 ring and 1 pair of boots
drifting lotus
lol, yeah
sharp night
literally won't have it until september during prepatch
brisk rain
Imagine the dmg xD
sharp night
for SL
drifting lotus
yeah, dmg at the end of this xpac is going to be extreme
if people are still playing
sharp night
it's been 6 weeks and i still don't even have a td2 let alone td3
strong forum
I have TD t5 on dh
drifting lotus
i have a feeling if they don't increase corruption drops you're going to see a lot of people just leave the game
strong forum
It's not that amazing
sharp night
i'm not holding out any hope of getting multiple td by the end of the expansion
brisk rain
I got T3 on mythicvmaut panties
sharp night
and the power difference between someone with td3 and someone without is stupid
warm plinth
I have T1 TD that I got from a vision I think lol
strong forum
The power difference between classes that have TD but can't use it cuz their stats aren't haste
Between those that have TD by chance and are a hasted class
Now that's a difference
opal python
can the oppression unit change location after key starts?
lets say its on gunker before we put the key in
does it stay or can it jump on another boss?
sharp night
no
it's always whatever it is in m0
and always follows the same route
gunker -> trixie -> gobb
just the starting position changes
strong forum
Any class that doesn't get haste steroids vince
Arms, mage, ret pal, warlocks
Shamans
brisk rain
Expedient is haste %?
strong forum
Yes
brisk rain
Got one
sharp night
huh
sharp night
fire stacks haste and vers with mastery%
brisk rain
Its lovely to have high haste
sharp night
but you were saying there are specs that don't stack haste which is a different matter
those spec stack haste to the point that they don't want td because haste% does more
strong forum
Same difference
The result is the same
They don't want TD cuz they don't have innate haste steroids
drifting lotus
i was doing dailies and my haste went up to 250-some percent - was amazeballs
strong forum
And TD without haste is useless
warm plinth
Yeah the Vale debuff is fun huh Trekie
strong forum
Ye but not enough
They get equivalent of 1 vita proc of haste
Which is not nearly enough
sharp night
the other problem is
most ranged specs running TD isn't optimal
because you aren't standing within 10-15yds most of the time
so even if it procs it's just wasted
warm plinth
lul
strong forum
I ran TD t5 in siege 16 as vdh, did barely do 10k dps cuz it always missed or procced when the pack was dead or when I faced away
Great fun
Also low fucking proc rate
warm plinth
o_o
sharp night
wtf
warm plinth
How did it miss that much lol
sharp night
mine does that much with td1
strong forum
Cuz I don't have haste steroids
warm plinth
Face the mobs 4Head
sharp night
i have a lot of haste procs on my dh though
strong forum
I have 1 OP
sharp night
engi helm, multiple OP, haste trinkets
strong forum
That's it
Haste trinkets don't exist outside of raid
Engi helmet is meh already have bis
sharp night
galecallers
strong forum
Nice trinket
strong forum
I mean actually useful trinkets
sharp night
literally every minute you get lust
drifting lotus
TD is finicky af
i always stand as far back as i can and as im dpsing i aim at their left
strong forum
Also imagine getting shrine, I'm almost 2.2k rio but haven't done a single shrine yet
Not a single
Shrine
Literally 0
warm plinth
lol
strong forum
I have no clue how it is this season
warm plinth
It's fine tbh
warm plinth
Yeah, obelisks are well-placed. Only kind of annoying one depending on comp is the bridge before 3rd boss
drifting lotus
i HATED shrine last season. it's not as bad this season
sharp night
like junkyard is probably the easiest key by far due to zap
warm plinth
We can skip but some couldn't
sharp night
but after that shrine/ml/wm/ur are probably the easiest
temple if your group is fast at orbs too
yeah if you don't run a meta-ish comp the obelisk before bridge is a bit annoying
but if you run dh/rogue you can use it for free skip
drifting lotus
it got so quiet. now im going to actually get back to work i spose
mortal brook
dont let the man tell you how to live
daring marlin
I'm near 2.2k io too and can't seem to get dps that aren't shit on crawgmaw in UR of all things
mortal brook
getting maggots on necro week is the poop D:
sharp night
crag dps is hard unless you have like a firemage or something
to reduce the number of phases you get
cause otherwise you spend half the fight running in circles and not dpsing
mortal brook
place markers, assign areas to clear, can help with maggots
daring marlin
idk man I think I have a reasonable expectation for dps during lust before first tantrum
true, might try that lol
Melee suffer less as long as they bait charges good
warm plinth
Tank + 3 DPS should be doing ticks. Healer just heals
daring marlin
There's always that one fucker
warm plinth
Just assign the close area to you as the tank and have the more mobile people go out far
mortal brook
on really high tyr the healer has to sit and heal, but the dps have no excuse, can assign areas for sure
during tantrum
chilly brook
Just put on more corruption gear and carry the dps ez
daring marlin
omega
drifting lotus
TD6
warm plinth
Yeah exactly Steve
I stay on boss as much as possible but as soon as ticks start launching to my quadrant, I go pop them
wooden radish
@warm plinth PINKY
warm plinth
@wooden radish LINCOLN
craggy harness
are there any other spells that just poof and disappear if a target isn't in combat yet ?
mutters
warm plinth
What spell are you talking about o_O
craggy harness
ain't warrior
just decided to go back to my original warlock and level
Havoc in this case
just venting, i didn't tear my hair out too long, since i remember this from years ago
sharp night
i haven't had havoc disappear on my lock when target isn't in combat
but i know soul shards and stuff are buggy
craggy harness
probably a pathing issue of some sort
just one of those things if you don't know whats going on, you can't work around it
warm plinth
rose furnace
@warm plinth Got a link for that?
brisk rain
Its still strong af
prisma crane
yea i know, which is why it's lame
brisk rain
Isn't it?
prisma crane
ruins the 1m dps bursts on stupid shit like the droplets in shrine
brisk rain
Lol
prisma crane
stuff that doesnt matter anyways
but it's fun
blizz fun police coming through
yet again
brisk rain
At least it doesnt break it completely
prisma crane
nerfing just in time for the MDI when those are the only players who pull half an instance per pack anyways
meanwhile we're many weeks into the patch and they're still changing shit
doesnt affect most normal pulls or bosses, so i get it, but it's still really lame
left hatch
wait so is that in game already?
prisma crane
though this does nerf solo visions considerably
left hatch
jsut did a 14 shrine and didnt notice it one way or the other
sharp night
should be ingame yeah
you aren't really gonna notice it for the most part
most people don't really pull more than 10 mobs at a time outside of very rare situations
prisma crane
its literally just so that blizzard dont look like morons come MDI time
sharp night
yeah except
they didn't nerf raden weap so the outlaws/havocs are still gonna do stupid damage
raden was equivalent to pre-nerf TD1 in dmg/corruption for a tank spec, and way better than it for dps specs
so after MDI i guess that'll get nerfed too
prisma crane
small indie company struggles
whats stupid to me is this
average players will only get that benefit if they are doing content well below what they should be anyways so it's just pad
and if im good enough to pull that large on content that matters, what's the problem with rewarding it
it obviously was a huge standout so it should come as no surprise, just would rather they buff other shit instead
or increase the corruption cost or something
because the MDI pulls are by players who should be and are doing 24s, not the likely 17s we'll be seing
so of course they'll pull massive
chilly brook
Why would they nerf TD tho
Like that actually hurts more tanks than it helps tbh
And by more tanks I mean tank classes like the ones who historically dont have great dps
potent anvil
TD will still deal 75% of what it currently does against 10 targets. That's still pretty strong imo. And how often do you pull 10 targets at a time.
warm plinth
I really don't think it hurts visions at all. You pull fairly small in 5 mask clears anyway just because of mechanics. I don't even think it'll be that noticeable even for tanks
hallow phoenix
Guys mind looking at a log real quick? We got a tank app and I would like a second opinion to go with mine
daring bay
In ToS do you have to kill the spark channeler?
guy at the end of the bridge befor eyes
left hatch
i pull him up the stairs
and ppl just stack right in front of him
step into his hitbox if you get too high in stacks
ez
sick parcel
is there a healer essence that, from what i hear, negates Necrotic?
left hatch
not that I'm aware of 🤔
only thing that prevents necrotic is immunities or thing that makes the attack not hit
so dodge/parry
and no healer essence ik of does that
near ivy
artifice of time works like spirit link totem
iirc
that doesnt "negate" necrotic tho
and is not exactly optimal xd
shut summit
vitality conduit is prolly wat you've heard about
its like a health transfer or some shit so not reduced by necrotic
warm plinth
Yeah it's like a pseudo-spirit link
But only goes between two people
@daring bay We do him in the middle. But with PUGs (at least on lower keys), it's safer to do him by the stairs or in the corner because stacks don't matter as much and it's harder to guarantee that his beams will be soaked.
left hatch
is there a benefit to doing him in the middle
sharp night
you have better control over stacks in middle since all the beams aren't coming from the same direction
so whoever has their cd can call to get next pillar
sharp night
so galv is one of the few mobs in m+ that can parry iirc
so it's not good for dps to be in front of him either
but if you aren't soaking any beams then you can just face him away i guess
sick sentinel
How is haste proc corruption
formal forge
Is the wrathion sword corruption trash? Wrathion Sword + Twisted Appendage II or Twilight Dev 3?
left hatch
Wrath is like... 5% of your dps in a full run
left hatch
its not awful but
sick sentinel
Not great
formal forge
Ok
left hatch
TD is just so much better
formal forge
Ty friends
sick sentinel
Is gushing wound good or shit I can never remember
sick sentinel
God bless you sir
left hatch
❤️
patent rivet
Stars devastation and ooze
I saw somebody with double stars a t3 and a t2 I think
Was crazy
left hatch
IS is kinda meh in practice
any cleave? loses its value
any downtime on fight? loses its value
for what we can run rn without going too crazy with corruption
probably TD4 or TD3 GW2
frosty holly
A question about Details vs Skada. I know Details is way more accurate. But what i wan't to know is there any huge dif between the two when it comes to CPU/Memory usage? I don't run the very best of computers
patent rivet
Not really
dull violet
Is there any particular reason why people are moving away from Lucid minor?
Or was that never actually the play and I was just memeing all last season?
warm plinth
Where are you seeing that they're moving away from Lucid minor?
inland silo
id say more people are moving to it in super high keys
dull violet
I've just seen it in groups a lot. They are likely imitating high key builds, but it's leeching into the +15 tank population as well.
inland silo
o wait minor
dull violet
yes, minor.
warm plinth
Yeah I was gonna say it's probably because they're using it as the major
dull violet
Yea I see a lot of people with no lucid major or minor lately, and was just curious if there was something I hadn't heard about regarding proc changes or something.
personally I've always loved it as a minor. who doesn't love extra rage?
warm plinth
Oh, nope. Still a recommended minor
dull violet
ok cool.
potent anvil
I'm a CoF major kind of guy. 
potent anvil
warm plinth
It's gone mwahahahaha
warm plinth
Er, because it would say 8414/25000 if it was still a thing
dull violet
I was playing around with C&S major this week a bit. Super convenient for places like TD (to stop runners inside and meme pull outside)
craggy harness
hmm, okay
warm plinth
craggy harness
you're full clearing at this point tho aren't you? lol
warm plinth
Yeah but why does that matter?
craggy harness
Dunno... although i guess since vessels don't stack even though they don't cap
keeping them as coalescing is better
frosty holly
Coalescing Visions cap gone is sweeeet. No more do i have to run to the Chamber before i do my assults
warm plinth
Yeah, that's why I'm happy about it
maiden ravine
THEY COULDN'T DO THAT YESTERDAY
warm plinth
I don't have to keep 800 vessels taking up bag space
frosty holly
Also no vessels cluttering my bags
maiden ravine
My druid lost 1700 visions cause I was stupid
maiden ravine
God damn, at the rate they're making things better, we may actually get account wide essences
craggy harness
yeah, i'm not quite sorted otu for no orbs lol
warm plinth
Well
I'm havoc too so
A couple people have said they 5 masked without even using an orb, which I could see. I had some scuffed parts of mine that nearly fucked me so
If you play flawlessly, you could probably do it
sick sentinel
Ghash you are the best
daring marlin
As long as you utilize gift proper you're good
warm plinth
Yeah gift is huge
daring marlin
I didn't use an orb until rexxar's wing lol
frosty holly
Ye i can see no orbs being used with a good router and no fuck ups. Best i did i had 2 left. I did fuck up a bit on that run
dense totem
hey does anyone have a good WA for necrotic that makes a noise when you start to get high stacks or know how to make one?
young musk
how good is %mastery as a defensive corruption?
modest thistle
Most Corruptions aren’t too great defensively I don’t think but more mastery is more mastery I guess 🙃
If you could pick almost anything else I would
young musk
i see, ty
opal python
how are you guys dealing with necrotic at king gobba this week
like 15+
there's all these little fuckers that keep adding the stacks and resetting seems impossible
delicate ruin
The stack reset when he do rumbling
frosty holly
Haven't really done anything special on gobba
modest thistle
Be dwarf
delicate ruin
Unless your group miss a soak or something
modest thistle
Stone form
delicate ruin
Those little thing just die before they hit u
opal python
hmm
yh lets say someone misses a soak during necrotic/tyrannical week im fucked it seems
modest thistle
Do you normally charge up that little robot guy next to the boss?
He kills like most of the dudes I think
opal python
oh
delicate ruin
That and dont actively intercept those small guys during that phase for some extra dps
U'll be fine
modest thistle
Yea he kills a ton of them and moves around the place
opal python
which robot guy tho?
delicate ruin
The spinning robot right next to the boss
modest thistle
Nah charge him like the pylons
modest thistle
Yea and then that’s like 80% of the adds right there and leave the rest of your group to do whatever it is dps monkeys do
delicate ruin
I personally find the slime boss to be more of an issue this week on junkyard
Cant reset stack
Totally a dps check
Either he die first or you die of necrotic lol
delicate ruin
I dont have those, cant say much bout it
opal python
ah
modest thistle
Can save cds for the end but yea low dps is low dps
And those would get reduced by necrotic stacks no?
opal python
i mean they'll still help with necrotic dots and extra dmg but yh that one is a dps check
left hatch
the absorbs are not a good answer to necrotic
they're reduced by necro, don't prevent stacks
so anything thats dangerous to you already in the fights (ie anything once you get upwards of 30 stacks) will be just as dangerous with those
if not more so cause you're sacrificing haste which kills uptime on block
a mitigation source that isn't impacted by necrotic
and if you're not resetting stacks on gunker you just need more crit
havn't had an issue with his stacks the 2 weeks necros been up this season
and thats ignoring you should have enough time to reset during his channel
sick sentinel
Shell is a DR isn’t it
left hatch
until its absorb is consumed
which with enough necro stacks will be instantly lul
so necrotic essentially turns it into the platinum plating trinket
grand drum
does blood rites refresh with only killing blows?
left hatch
id imagine its like vampiric speed
and can reset on any kill
don't quote me on that though
mortal brook
any kill, confirmed
azure grove
What the tooltip says, actually not sure
mortal brook
my shaman gets good uptime on it and hasnt ever killed an explosive ever
spark lark
Is it possible cast shield slam and after that shield block and get the dmg buff on shieldslam still
oblique garnet
You mean using shield block as the animation of ss is going or after its already finished?
As in the same global
sick sentinel
Do we utilize defensive trinkets at all? I been using rezans and Dragonscale rn and it’s nice. Going for butchers block but no dice yet
Purely defensive I should say
Like urchin still etc
modest thistle
If you’re doing content difficult enough to where you feel you need the defensive benefit then you could use it
If it gets too spooky too often in a 15 let’s say then use it in 15s and above
Imo
distant crystal
or just use it always and pull bigger until it is spooky >:D
modest thistle
Scaring everyone in the dungeon is also a viable option