I'm so close to 1600 on my druid, I just need to do m+ still this week, eeek
#protection
maiden ravine
finite gull
How much corruption are most people running for 15ish keys as Prot? Worried about going to 40 cuz of the thing from beyond
ionic fern
This week 38.
In general anything below 60.
It all comes down to how comfortable you are dealing with TFB.
finite gull
Pretty comfortable with it as dps.. But i imagine trying to deal with it as prot is a bit more challenging 😅
unkempt seal
quartz bloom
I can sr tfb?
hearty cairn
does anyone know if the vulpera racial affects the thing from beyond dmg?
ionic fern
Haven't tested/seen any logs but probably does.
hallow phoenix
Vulpera confirmed best race
sweet summit
No 
latent sequoia
Is there a written guide for Mythic+ tanking? Like Trashpack Abilities etc. I'm new to tanking and am seaking a guideline to use my cds effectively
sweet summit
We dont have any "CDs", last stand and shield wall is used to cover downtime between shield block charges
There probably are some guides, but you will learn the most from personal experience
slate pilot
You can use them for more than just filling downtime.
Not sure if there’s a guide, but you can see individual mob spells in Method Dungeon Tools
winged grail
I'm guessing by CD he means defensive abilities - keep shield block up against physical damage, use ignore pain against pure magical damage, find the google sheet with reflectable spells, use last stand in panic or even better while you are out of shield block charges (don't overlap them)
slate pilot
As Rosjen said, most of it comes from experience.
winged grail
IP comes second to Shield Block in 95% of the cases, most notable exceptions: Shadow of Zul, Fluxxflame (3rd boss Motherlode), 4th boss Motherlode
sweet summit
P1 last boss workshop
latent sequoia
Aye, so Last Stand is for Transition between Blocks, IP for Magic and Block for physical. The guide mentions Haste is good to decrease the CD of shieldblock etc. is it wise to stack haste before ilvl or is it just takes what has the highest number?
hallow phoenix
Rezan hurts so much :(
sweet summit
Ilvl>haste
sweet summit
Sockets and corruptions can and will fuck with that rule
hallow phoenix
I mean with sockets usually just take what gives more stats overall
Trinkets are an exception
latent sequoia
Thanks for the advice so far :)
green bolt
Hey guys, wanted to ask, how difficult or easy is it to clear horrific visions as protection? Is it easier than fury/arms considering equal ilvl?
sweet summit
I wanna say its easier to solo as prot if you have TD lmao
stark ruin
with TD, gift of the titans and an up-to-date cloak 4 mask runs are actually easy
and 5 mask runs are absolutely doable
frail oar
TD ?
stark ruin
with 4 masks I pop the first orb before rexxar
sweet summit
Corruption
frail oar
oh, thanks
stark ruin
and that's mz last pull before Thrall
green bolt
I see - I only have that through the Nzoth 2h sword :/. I missing a mask on the warr from the SW vision (think its the one with the add spawning below 50%) so I am finding it pretty tight with 4 masks, since I have to use the one that reduces my max corruption by half. So I thought id give it a go as prot
Still debating which of the 3 specs its the easiest :p
ionic fern
Do AoE pulls as prot and go into Fury/arms for ST fights?
green bolt
imma sound like the biggest idiot now because I didnt know you could switch whilst inside? (does the scaling stay the same though?)
sweet summit
Honestly dont know if the scaling changes it should tho
stark ruin
@green bolt I'd probably run it as fury then
because TD proccess pretty badly for arms as I've read it
I've never tried, but if I recall correctly the hp scaling changes dynamically
sudden kayak
hello prot warriorz when ever i get into groups as dps the tank links me his aroute the thing is i only have a few selected dungeons with a perfect pull of 100% trash plus boss routes does any one know where i can get more dungeon imports for method dungeon tools to complete my dungeon list routes
green bolt
aye from my experience my smoothest runs have been as fury @stark ruin
strong forum
I'd just do everything as prot, and thrall ( if at all) as dps
ionic fern
sudden kayak
just trying to get the entire dungeon list
stark ruin
or am I misunderstanding something? 🙂
strong forum
Hes not used to doing the routes himself I guess
sudden kayak
i only have like 4 routes for tol dagor work shop etc
strong forum
Has nothing to do with the role
stark ruin
right
strong forum
Ye, mwahi showed you where to get em
sudden kayak
ok thans alot guyz
strong forum
But most people just make the routes on the fly
sudden kayak
appriciate it
ionic fern
👍
stark ruin
check this one too: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/fbcs5w/gurus_mythic_plus_weekly_routes_season_4_week_7/
his routes are usually very pug friendly
but in general it's a good idea to take a route and familiarize yourself with it in game
I for example run a few normals/heroics alone just to see the routes for myself
what's where, how to jump to snap spots etc
ionic fern
That's some next level.
I just jump in and hope for the best.
stark ruin
and eventually you'll make your own twists to some runs
I mean, last night I tried to do a jump in AD and just gave up after a few tries, my group was laughing hard
fat orcs jump bad
stark ruin
I try to convince my lads to swap to alliance
I have both the DI Dwarf and Dwarf heritage armors unlocked, waiting for me
ivory elbow
can anyone help me out with a weakaura so i have a weakaura for ignore pain and when its up it shows the amount i have if its 10k it shows 10000 but i would to make it short if its 10000 shield i would like it to say 10k anyone knows how to do dis
sweet summit
Go to display in the WA
There should be a box to change that i think
Also #ui-addons-manager is probably better
sweet summit
Can you send some pictures?
strong forum
At 'text' in then bottom
You need to click the small pen for 'advanced' options
I'm pretty sure
Could be wrong though, haven't had to change alot in the new update
Nothing to do with that field
It's only obstructing view
ivory elbow
strong forum
Click the small pen on font flags
ivory elbow
yes then
strong forum
Is there smth that says [12.3] or smth
ivory elbow
noppe xd
strong forum
I'm at work so I can't fully check myself
ivory elbow
yeah i got a wago ffrom marok il use that xd and make it to my liking
exotic spoke
Morning prot qtpies
mortal brook
o/
sweet summit
👋
tame garden
exotic spoke
How goes it
sonic tinsel
heyo, can any1 confirm if 1.7k haste is enough for m+ ?
tame garden
Confirmed
sonic tinsel
i can stack more but feel like stacking more mastery after that is better
tame garden
More haste always better
sonic tinsel
ah ok, was kinda giving prio to the main haste stat pieces
sweet summit
TD>ILVL>haste>crit 😂
tame garden
We get all the mastery we need from BoM
lucid parcel
What if your traits are dog shit amd you only have one bom?
final dawn
I dont see why you wouldnt be concerned about putting in more damage
since mastery is pretty bad compared to the other stats and since we get it from BoM wouldnt you want to completely avoid it
exotic spoke
@lucid parcel you still use higher Ilvl azerite pieces except for the first DC which you can sacrifice 15 ilvls or so for
sullen valve
@warm plinth Remember wowA is pretty amazing :D
warm plinth
Fuck yeah it is
strong forum
WowA for m+ when
hallow phoenix
@sick sentinel only when you have a pally 😩
real snow
hey guys, for prot in m+, how valuable is versatility?
left hatch
not as valuable as haste
hallow phoenix
Ilvl > haste/crit > vers > mastery
real snow
ok cool, im only 446 just started out as prot, so just looking to get some good pieces of loot
hallow phoenix
In general use the highest ilvl gear you have
left hatch
^ except for trinkets
hallow phoenix
I think most people value sockets on armor pieces around 5 ilvls
left hatch
and rings ish
hallow phoenix
Yeah rings I'll drop 10-15
real snow
so in the sense of ilvl, how big of an increase, like i have a 445 wrist with verse, mastery, and a 440 one with crit haste and a void ritual
hallow phoenix
440
left hatch
corruption is a diff beast
hallow phoenix
Unless you have no other corruptions
left hatch
it can be worth anywhere from 0 ilvls to 50+
depending on what it is and what you already have
hallow phoenix
Never forgetti
real snow
i have another void ritual belt which is 450 rank 2 haste verse
real snow
the fact the 440 wrist has haste crit was the reason why I equipped it but yeah I will use both
only have rank 8 cloak at the moment but this guy is work in progress, i also play brewmaster but I am really liking prot
hallow phoenix
You should cap conquest to get your weekly PvP chest. Will help you get some corruptions faster on your war
Took me around 14 3v3 matches to cap
If that
real snow
will do, ive been doing low level m+ runs at the moment but yeah i'll head into some pvp and hoping to start 10s on m+
hushed cobalt
Can you spell reflect cyclone on 1st boss tos and run into another part of it?
left hatch
yes
but only if he casts it on a diff part member
if its centered on you itll delete you
wooden radish
@ionic fern hey, what do you think about Bernie Sanders? Do you think he'd make a good President? Could he get his ideas enacted into law? Will America be more like Denmark? Thanks in advance for your answer.
real snow
I do have a lowbie rank 1 TD on my shield, it procs a lot just the dmg is crap lol
imagine if that was r3
deep folio
ev or td guys bloodmallet and herodamage do not seem to agree lol
cosmic salmon
I’d happily take that r1 td
hushed cobalt
Thanks Morrison! Was wondering why I got vaporized despite no jolt damage AND reflecting
left hatch
TD
deep folio
awesome ty
left hatch
its on par with EV in st and the more targets you add the further it pulls ahead
deep folio
would you guys take a briny 470 over a torment 460 again herodamage and bloodmallet do not agree lol
real snow
yep. I've geared it up quite well in a short space of time, im still getting to grips with it. Just need some decent loot, decent corruption and im good to go lol
hallow phoenix
For DPS you can sim instead of relying on bloodmallet and the like
left hatch
^
bloodmallet is like... a guideline
using a default template prot
where in reality any small change to your character, even just gaining a neck piece
hallow phoenix
Bloodmallet also is kind of garbage for actual aoe scenarios because the best they have is hectic add cleave
left hatch
can vastly change your stat weights and hte like
deep folio
ty for the advice guys will sim that and see wont watch bloodmallet to closely then 🙂
left hatch
for M+ you'll wanna sim Patchwerk 3M 1T, Patchwerk 2M 3T, Patchwerk 2M 5T
for st, cleave and aoe scenarios
and just decide which loadout is more important for you
IE- doing workshop you'll wanna lean into a ST build
hallow phoenix
I usually sim 6 boss patchwerk 2 min but Morrison is probably on the money with multiple sims
left hatch
yeh 6 boss works too
real snow
ive unlocked all essence slots so im currently running vision major, memory, aegis and strength, its just cos its so alt unfriendly im still farming others, any other essences a must have so I can focus on what I need ??
stark sage
make sure u disable lust and pots, as that can skew your gear in a sim
left hatch
CnS is a must
hallow phoenix
CnS is very easy to get
left hatch
aegis is iffy
ionic fern
@wooden radish who the hell is that
hallow phoenix
Sphere too
tame garden
Dont disable pots
left hatch
strength only if you need the corruption resistance and your entire group is running crap like VoP
tame garden
Instead use pots in m+
stark sage
are you potting every pull
left hatch
so itll have very bad uptime
wooden radish
@ionic fern bernie sanders?
tame garden
If you're a gamer you pot
real snow
meh more pvp, I only managed r2 CnS on monk, but ye will give that a go, i might have to do fury in arena
stark sage
@tame garden the sim will prepot and pot again during the fight, its going to mess with some stats
tame garden
Fair I wouldnt 2nd pot on trash
tame garden
Ye
real snow
Thx for the tips guys, back to the grind
hallow phoenix
Sphere rank 1 is quite good and requires almost no effort
And you don't need the further ranks
hallow phoenix
Just afk like everyone else /s
real snow
Sphere in minor slot ?
tame garden
Ya
left hatch
yeh
hallow phoenix
Yeah never major
hallow phoenix
Or ripple in space memes
real snow
so vision, memory, cns, sphere is ideal ?
left hatch
'good'
left hatch
a LOT of the healign will be overhealing
so its kinda a last resort
if your group is running passive essences
real snow
im assuming on ST pumping you would take crucible
hallow phoenix
My usual group is almost all visions major
left hatch
rip
and yah ST is crucible
so some raid fights, workshop
high tyrancial seige maybe
and KR on high Tyr
hallow phoenix
And he does mean high
real snow
well highest i have managed on dps chars of mine is a 16, i think thats my ceiling with my group of friends and thats not always
strong forum
Workshop is 90% ST so Cof is always worth there
real snow
This discord is great, i wish i found it earlier
hallow phoenix
I went to the mage discord once and they don't even have different channels for each spec
Was a nightmare
strong forum
People really undervalue the informations you can get from class discords, not immediately but there's alot of stuff you find out with time
warm plinth
That's because their guides and shit are all on the website
tame garden
Mage discord is a meme
warm plinth
Just go there instead of the discord
strong forum
And ofc some are just trash
tame garden
Ye I feel bad for mages
hallow phoenix
I learn shit every day in this disc
real snow
ive read a lot of stuff but its better to hear it from other players with exp.
hallow phoenix
Usually from some off-comment about a weird interaction or mechanic
sick sentinel
Do I give good info :’)
tame garden
Hawgz gives best info
real snow
well sphere rank 2 is attainable, apparently that arathi comp stomp is coming back soon so free honor
strong forum
R1 is already enough
hallow phoenix
It's just 2 more seconds on a buff that has like 95% uptime
warm plinth
And the 2 more seconds only really does anything if you're not actively fighting something since you have 100% uptime as long as you're being hit by things
hallow phoenix
I'm halfway to rank 3
warm plinth
Which makes it even less useful
real snow
yeah and cns rank 2 - urgh ok
hallow phoenix
CnS easy
sick sentinel
Get that r3 CnS
warm plinth
C&S is really easy to get. It just takes time really
sick sentinel
Have your good pvp friends carry you
real snow
it was a ball ache getting that for my monk
tame garden
Cns is free. You should be conquest capping anyways for guaranteed corrupted loot
real snow
rank 1 is free
tame garden
You should conq cap every week
hallow phoenix
Just run turbo cleave to 1600 and wait the 2 weeks
tame garden
For ruppers
warm plinth
Rank 3 is free too; just cap conquest every week. It just takes longer the worse you are at PvP :p
real snow
well i need to farm some dps weapons so yeah i'll try the arena and see how I get on lol
hallow phoenix
If you want to PvP as prot I suggest a mistweaver and some big damage boi
Like a lock or mage
real snow
i did it on my monk as brew but Ive played warrior dps before so it should be fine
hallow phoenix
I've done what my guildies call idiot cleave with prot, arms, hpal and that was fine
hybrid echo
Don't you need to win at least 1 ranked match per week, for the mats to drop from the pvp chest?
hybrid echo
so, after you've exceeded the requirement for rating, you just have to cap, and not care about doing anymore arenas?
hallow phoenix
Correct
warm plinth
The 1 win is only applicable for what ilevel gear you get
Has nothing to do with the essence items
hybrid echo
great
sick sentinel
@tame garden are you implying that I will do one shred of content outside of raid, m+, and visions
warm plinth
It increases your chance of getting leech gear Hawgz
hybrid echo
then I don't have to do any arenas this week 😂
hallow phoenix
PvP is just pve with no threat tables
sick sentinel
Just got 465 socketed block with leech I don’t need no stinkin pvp cache
hallow phoenix
Get one
tame garden
I'm trying
hallow phoenix
Just do it
hallow phoenix
If you mained prot you'd have one by now
warm plinth
That sounds like a quitter's attitude to me Speg
sweet summit
Was it sporepods?
visual drift
I havn't tanked for years but since some friends of mine (pala and lock) are back and can now join the visions i thinking to tank there, or are 3 dd working better than dd/heal/tank?
tame garden
No it was vial
sweet summit
Pog
hallow phoenix
5x healer
real snow
We all need to pray to RNGesus
tame garden
Prob want a tank in groups but idk I do all mine solo
hallow phoenix
Rsham exists
warm plinth
Already had a 5 mask solo by a holy priest so
hallow phoenix
That's
cosmic salmon
5rsham with triple ip
hallow phoenix
Impressive
warm plinth
In Stormwind btw 🙂
tame garden
Wow that guys a gamer
warm plinth
ikr
real snow
you can solo, i did a full clear with my brewmaster the other day, and on my DH I did full clear with no orbs or res used, was proud of that lol so masks for me next
hallow phoenix
Rsham pumps single target
tame garden
Ya but
brittle owl
aoe bruv
hallow phoenix
No buts
tame garden
What about the aoe
brittle owl
actually
hallow phoenix
TD
tame garden
I guess u just let td
brittle owl
you'd just use TD
tame garden
Take care
hallow phoenix
Lmao
warm plinth
AoE doesn't matter much in higher mask clears tbh. You pull smaller with more masks because it's more about managing elite extermination and gift procs than killing shit quickly
real snow
my DH has TD and EV and Iris ftw
warm plinth
As long as you can blast down the dangerous shit in trash packs, you're fine
brittle owl
i mean, soloing 5 masks without td is disproportionately more difficult than with td
brittle owl
just proc td
warm plinth
Go watch that Hpriest 5 mask clear and you'll see
brittle owl
4head
tame garden
Without td
warm plinth
I don't think he had TD btw
warm plinth
I don't remember seeing it proc
tame garden
Now I wanna watch
brittle owl
then all that's left
tame garden
This gamer
brittle owl
is being a gamer
tame garden
In action
hallow phoenix
Apotheosis smite spam?
warm plinth
warm plinth
Is the channel just shut down while everyone watches a holy priest video or what?
warm plinth
oh, sorry. carry on.
tame garden
Health bar whack-a-mole is very hard
tame garden
I was healer main before I started tanking
tame garden
Healing is not hard lol
prisma crane
i couldnt heal my way out of a paper bag
tame garden
I've never played mw tho so maybe that's the true big brain heal spec
brittle owl
more shit to be mindful
tame garden
Have mained rsham/disc/rdruid and alted hpal
prisma crane
oh you mean the healers that make it their sole purpose to stand in melee on my head when quaking is going out?
(mw)
had one that i swear was trolling me
you'd think it was a stack mechanic
tame garden
Might go back to healing in SL tbh
brittle owl
shouldve healed this expac tbh
tame garden
My only issue with healing is farm bosses are giga dull
Prog is fun keys are fun
But farm raid is actual snoozefest
wind garden
Not if you have your raid all go over 80 corruption.
tame garden
Truu
drifting lotus
i know the answer is practice, but i want to start getting into 15+ keys. I have the kick tracker and want to start getting into a rotation. Problem is: there is a lot of knowledge when it comes to which mobs are priority and which can be ignored (can't kick them all). Is there a resource for this?
sweet summit
Name a dungeon and ill try
left hatch
more accurately, name a pull
drifting lotus
Lol - all of them. There should def. be a resource like that if it doesn't already exist. or someone who has documented the shit out of their MDT
tame garden
No1 rly bothered to make an overview of every pull cuz the pulls change every season and even with different routes
tame garden
Would just be a pain to keep up to date
If you get one of the marking weakauras itll mark the important mobs
And you can note them down and look up their abilities afterwards
sweet summit
I guess you know where this is going. Experience.
left hatch
and even then some casts lose priority depending on your group comp
if you have purges than stuff like watertight shell loses prio to interrupt
cause you can just erase it
brisk ferry
@drifting lotus I don't know the last time this was updated, but it has a lot of info for important packs per dungeon
bitter venture
What’s the best wep enchant. Quick nav?
sweet summit
Force multi generally
You can sim for damage
Quick nav is arguably best for survival afaik
left hatch
force is i believe
because you can double proc stats with BoM
and more stats > good stats
plus higher uptime
stark scroll
Some addons will mark or differentiate mobs, examples would be https://wago.io/3bViaBtT1 which will mark all dangerous mobs that need an int/stun. There are Plater profiles such as https://wago.io/g-jp-v2zw that will colour the nameplates based on importance/danger
drifting lotus
I have noticed that plater does change the colors to gray - not sure if it was because someone marked it though (this was on my dps toon)
modern brook
Damage Prot Spec?
winged grail
@drifting lotus there is a good plater profile something like mythic+ colors - this is the only thing you need to know what to kick and some practice 🙂
drifting lotus
@winged grail thanks - i'll look for it
modern brook
the general rule of thumb for kicks is "does it heal? kick it. Does it impair contorl? Kick it. Does it truck the tank? Kick it"
few pulls have more than 1 of those, idt i know of any with all 3
If im wrong on that its probably in shrine tho
tame garden
Tol cannon section maybe
But you interrupt with cannon knockback so
Doesnt rly count
mortal brook
or like, witches in wcm. choosing between the poison smash, the effigy heal or the soul fetish
olive merlin
Motherlode refreshment
sick sentinel
Witches be bitches
mortal brook
theyre just tryin their best hawgz
sick sentinel
WCM is fun this season
tame garden
Not being able to open door to basement while doing kitchen spire is annoying
Otherwise ye great wcm season
sweet summit
Doesnt doors stay open now?
drifting lotus
30 seconds i think?
tame garden
Did they change it?
small fable
Whats the best solo visions warrior spec?
sweet summit
They stay open for long enough at least
naive panther
I do visions as prot. Fury is ok too.
ionic fern
Gladiator.
Just take everything off and melee with your bare fists.
lucid pendant
Whatever you have TD on 😏
winged grail
^
sick sentinel
Prot is GOODER
exotic spoke
Did solo 5 mask vision yesterday. Ended with a full orb left
winged grail
I did 5 masks solo prot but it took me a bit of practice - and TD 3
exotic spoke
Only had TD2 when I had it
I got hit by a missile too and that procced my cheat death
Damn near fucked the whole thing
sick sentinel
I intentionally proc my cheat death at times. I hadn’t used an orb yet and just got smoked by the missile
tame garden
Only orb I used was before rexxar
exotic spoke
If I didn’t proc cheat death there o would have had a second orb. I lost a ton of sanity there. Almost 1.25 bars
sick sentinel
Yeah the missile will smoke you like a camel menthol
exotic spoke
Cause EE + kebab + gift + potions are amazing solo
mortal brook
at this point dont even need kbab and potions
exotic spoke
Pretty much - but I’m bad so the potions and kebab help
mortal brook
heck riki
sick sentinel
Prot-ip lul
exotic spoke
I prefer just to be safe. And the potions increase Damage / survival so I take them
mortal brook
even had time to go back through the whole thing and grab all the crystals lol
exotic spoke
Pro tip come alliance
tame garden
sick sentinel
Blue team sucks
mortal brook
eyir sucks
gilded tendonBOT
fuk u @mortal brook
sweet summit
U wot m8
exotic spoke
May move second warrior back horde
sweet summit
📉
exotic spoke
But that feels like a waste and I don’t know
winged grail
@drifting lotus You'll quickly realize that you can't interrupt everything, and DPS often ignore interrupts if they don't see something nasty looking. Best example is Shrine where Water Blasts just destroy you. I always before starting the key tell the DPS to kick Water Blasts and ignore Wash Away - and repeat it after the first pack of 2
exotic spoke
Cause I’d still have to farm out essences on it that I never finished and maintain 3 chars? Fuckkk
modern brook
Once u get an interrupt tracker
and ur half way through the dungeon and the only 2 people on it are you and a shaman
and the other 2 dps in ur group are dhs
you realize its never ur fault ur dying
sweet summit
Pinky
modern brook
100%
sweet summit
Filthy dh
modern brook
I've met like 15~ or so competent DHs in the wild
sweet summit
Ive met 2, one of those is my alt 🤡
tame garden
@pinky
modern brook
@warm plinth
marble bay
Hello, so I've seen more and more people using lucid dreams major on prot warrior. Can someone explain to me why? Also I would not know when to use it if did have it tbh
exotic spoke
You’re seeing more people use it at very high keys. It’s used to do huge pulls in very high (like close to mid 20s) keys because it allows the survival that’s necessary.
In general, it’s not advised for the majority of players because a) it’s not necessary, b) VoP tends to our perform it (imo) unless you pull around it, and c) it takes a lot of coordination to use successfully
marble bay
Thank you, I'll keep that in mind
modern brook
Its one of those things whre if u have to ask about it, it really doesnt apply to how you're playing the spec
exotic spoke
This tbh
modern brook
Like you're waaay better off wiith VoP until 20+s
and ur not going to get the practice u ned with it in a 12 PUG and have that correlate meaningfully to a higher key
broken stratus
and if you play with a fire mage, you can line it up with their combust for a big pull
modern brook
indeed
karmic onyx
DrJay
warm plinth
wtf why are you guys talking about me
sick sentinel
Did a WCM yesterday. Pugged fire mage. Planned yuge pulls for combust. Combusts on 3 pack lul
modern brook
UHhh excuse me hawgz
dont u kow that frie mage is good in keys now
we press combust and do omega damage
ur obviously tanking incorrectly
grand spruce
This is true. combusting on a single target at 50% hp is still dps
sick sentinel
Combusting tail end of pull with huge pull on deck L u L
exotic spoke
It’s like heroism. Sometimes you have to use it at inopportune times to get extra uses out of it and make a net positive. But if you’re in a group you should plan around it
sick sentinel
Refer to my previous statement riki 🙂
modern brook
tHe meme was fire mage is FTM and also the only ranged DPS worth taking
so everyones playing them and acting like hot shit
exotic spoke
Yeah that’s just bad play
sick sentinel
His response to using combust on that pack (I thought that was the big pull)
exotic spoke
I meant more to using it on single target bosses
marble bay
One more question, what do u guys think are bis trinkets atm? rn I'm using n'zoth+maut ones. Would edict or urchin 455 with socket be better than maut mythic or n'zoth heroic?
grand spruce
Prism
modern brook
lol
sick sentinel
455 prism you become a healer
grand spruce
Lol
sick sentinel
You are a disc priest with thunderclap at that point
sick sentinel
Well
Assuming you won’t win the lottery with prism. Nzoth trinket is good, but some value is lost in m+ due to in raid bonus (however Late informed me that spires count as Ny’alotha). I can’t speak to how well a edict and urchin stand up to current trinkets. But I do know Maut trink is meh
It’s a good oh shit button if you need it
grand spruce
Is jar good for mythics?
sweet summit
Jar is good dam
sick sentinel
Yes. I’ve seen it equate to around 2.5-4K dps. It’s relatively inconsistent
sweet summit
Around 4% of your damage. Pretty good for a trinket
grand spruce
Time to work that in some way. Td + Ev + jar should be interesting
sweet summit
Oh boi
drifting lotus
what is prism?
hushed cobalt
Someone's gonna link a 455+socket soon. I can feel it
sick sentinel
Pugging bod is aids
patent rivet
best dungeon for tank practice? new to tanking not new to warrior already doing 30k dps lol
with crafted 400 wep and shield lol
leaden grail
You need to know what's going on in each and every dungeon anyway, so there's no point in only playing specific ones
sick sentinel
Warrior is the most proactive tank there is
hoary root
Any alternative for 455 prism since I missed out on that expac and it seems impossible to get now?
sick sentinel
Pug it or get nzoth/edicts or urchim trinkets
grand spruce
It's not impossible. Just difficult
exotic spoke
Unlike to get it to TF to 455 and feels bad man
left hatch
each dungeon is really different in terms of how you approach it, and those differences just get more obvious the higher up you go
and in the same line of thought theres a world of difference between how you play 5's 10's 15's 20's etc
so you practice by doing lol
left hatch
there isn't a good place to point to and say "whelp thats the epitome of prot try that"
sick sentinel
Pugging bod is worse than pugging ep
hoary root
Currently using heroic vita charge + jar lol.
daring marlin
idk how you could legit ignore all mechanics with raw damage
left hatch
get a butchers block, rezans or wrathions
daring marlin
until opulence probably
daring marlin
And even then you could brute force it with sheer damage
sick sentinel
I doubt it
Opulence can still one shot people
And the as people get one shot, you can't kill it
daring marlin
The mini bosses phase based on % of their health and that's the only annoying part of the fight
If you kill them fast enough they don't even do anything
hoary root
I think hard part is getting people to run it even 😂
daring marlin
And dodging cleave wat
sick sentinel
Gems usually kill everyone
daring marlin
That's like one of the few things that'll fuck 'em
daring marlin
Blame the healers then cuz they didn't get the right gem
sick sentinel
Most of the time
And they die
To beam
And then getting people to do it in general is awful
grand spruce
Most people still think they can brute force KJ on mythic
Works on some bosses, not so much on others
viscid radish
Nullification Dynamo (rank 2) vs Conflict and Strife (rank 1) for m+? Obvs Dynamo is better for raiding
mortal brook
null only good value at r3. how close are you to that
same with cns gaining way more value at r2,r3
viscid radish
Really? I def thought r2 null was the better one
but i guess the dmg for r3 null is good for m+
mortal brook
r3 rounds it out in all content, including raid and m+
mortal brook
should be a couple grind groups in group finder. they lowered the amount you needed this patch
viscid radish
You can probably farm spare parts? Think i've seen some groups doing it
Ah gotcha
So null r3 > cns r3 for all content?
mortal brook
cns r3 is a staple for all content. null could be situationally swapped out
viscid radish
Oh, read you wrong then
mortal brook
looks like you're a ways off from getting r3 cns though, so def go out and grab null for the time in between
hoary root
Is CNS time gated? Or you can just spam arena
sick sentinel
5
mortal brook
depends on your rating
viscid radish
oh shit then ye i will just get null r3
mortal brook
5 weeks at 1400, 3 weeks at 1600, 15 weeks at 1k lol
sick sentinel
Did they change it
mortal brook
cns currency comes from the weekly chest @hoary root
sick sentinel
Because u get 5 at 1.6k
mortal brook
right, and you need 15
sick sentinel
Oh read it wrong
mortal brook
so 3 weeks
viscid radish
but null r3 is better than cns r2 or?
sick sentinel
Probably still no
drifting lotus
i was confused with the way your wrote it too
viscid radish
@sick sentinel You mean r2 cns is better than r3 null?
sick sentinel
Yes
viscid radish
Ait
mortal brook
fixed
drifting lotus
does prot warrior do well in 2v2?
mortal brook
anything can hit 1.4 in 2s
hoary root
I Guess pvp as arms?
mortal brook
you dont lose rating until well beyond that
drifting lotus
if so, with what class? i has t4 TD
sick sentinel
Depends on what youre best at
mortal brook
50% dmg, 12s icd
prisma crane
stars or tendies if you have em
mortal brook
tendies win in low rank cuz no one kills em
prisma crane
same with stars and the dispels
prisma crane
fair
but you rarely wanna focus a DK if it's out and hunters i dont see all that often
hoary root
Guess I gotta start to catch up on getting CNS. Seems like that’s the most value trait
modern brook
its stats
left hatch
null minor is very good in raid
viscid radish
Yes that's what I'm talking about
exotic spoke
Null is good in raids. Not so much in m+. It’s primarily used for damage in raids where you’re taking constant magic damage
left hatch
in raid you'll most likely roll CoF major, Null, CnS, Formless/lucid minors
M+ null becomes much more niche
exotic spoke
Sometimes worldvein instead of CoF
viscid radish
Isn't there always packs with magic damage tho? For almost all dungeons
left hatch
you can't proc it consistently, the damage doesn't scale as well in aoe, so the damage component is meh compared to other options
no
very few packs have consistent magic damage
viscid radish
Yeahh the scaling for more mobs are true tho
Yeah consistent sure
I will stick to it until i get r2 strife at least
left hatch
its not a replacement for proper kicks/stuns
it will not save you
even defensively more than 70% of a damage profile of any dungeon is physical, and its a static absorb so it won't scale in content or pull size like any other secondary does
exotic spoke
And, more importantly, you don’t want those spells going off reliably because they will destroy your shield and get damage through.
fiery copper
Question for any m+ tanks. I just switched to Lucid major from Vision. Do I want to be using it as much as possible with avatar or stagger those CDs?
left hatch
are you doing keys above 20?
fiery copper
I’m working my way up. I’m about 1900 io now
sick sentinel
Then dont use it
left hatch
if you arn't doing keys well above 20
don't use it
its inferior in every way to VoP
outside of very niche circumstances
fiery copper
Ok ty for the tip.
drifting lotus
lot of people re-asking q on lucid 😛
left hatch
once you are doing excessively high keys you do want to pair it with Avatar because the value of it comes from making ludicrously big pulls where you absolutely need 40s of unbroken avatar to live
modern brook
@drifting lotus welcome to the prot discord we get 1-2 questions per season sprinkled w/ some "do i drop 130 ilvls for X"
This is a godo question at least
Not like the leech bullshit from s2
left hatch
and you're making those massive pulls every 2m
fiery copper
Cool ty @left hatch
left hatch
so if you arn't doing higher than 20, if you arn't in a coordinated group doing that, or if you don't NEED it to live. you don't use it
hoary root
I’m gonna ask too, for keys up to 19. Major: VOP.
Minor: CNS, and what else? Any good minors from new patch for the 10 corruption
Also can I spell reflect thing from beyond lol
left hatch
Formless is the best corruption resistance
only use STR if your group is all running passives like vision, or if they all use long cd's and blow it at once
besides CnS Lucid and sphere are both very strong
drifting lotus
need a !essences
left hatch
Aegis can be good if you play around it just be aware that any time you're not in combat with 6+ targets aegis is a dead slot
and null is good in very very high keys, or using it in workshop for st dps
left hatch
^
drifting lotus
oh yeah
left hatch
but 90% of the time a safe loadout up to 19/20 range is VoP major, Lucid, CnS, Formless minors
or sphere in place of formless if you don't need resistance
strong, don't have to think about it or change your play
ah if you do'nt have r3 do'nt bother running null in workshop
its dps component is what makes it shine
daring marlin
Don't have formless so I've been using warden minor cuz I need resists. It heals for a shitload.
left hatch
a lot of that healing is overhealing though
daring marlin
It certainly can be at times, yeah
drifting lotus
i have r1 formless so i've been using str
left hatch
itd be a fantastic essence if it worked like urchin
wooden radish
guys. @ionic fern is linking me Druid logs. He has officially rerolled. He is now a class that matches his Discord color.
left hatch
but how it procs makes me sad
ionic fern
True story,.
daring marlin
What's the uptime of formless that you guys have seen?
I really need to get in and get it lol
left hatch
if someone is running cof you can easily get it 70+%
daring marlin
pretty nice
left hatch
but id run it as low as 30% over strenght
drifting lotus
what rank formless > R3 STR
left hatch
decent uptime really just comes down to asking your group to stagger their essences on packs
r1
drifting lotus
:doh:
mortal brook
which if you're in raid running cof, you get that shared stack pretty often 😄
left hatch
even if you arn't running in raid
not running formless there is kinda inting
basically impossible not to have high uptime
drifting lotus
i thought r2 gave 25% of primary stat 🤔
left hatch
no
the amount of primary stat it gives is increased by 25%
so again most of the value is in r1
drifting lotus
oh - how much primary stat is r1 giving?
left hatch
depends on your neck level
not on game rn so can't check
but its 80% of what r2 will give
hoary root
But anyway just wanna say this chat is awesome. Been Super hard for me to change from a DH DPS main where I only have few buttons to click to a prot warrior tank. But this chat is making it a lot easier when you guys are sharing the knowledge
left hatch
wasn't the DH one fine till munky retired?
left hatch
rip
left hatch
thats r3 yeh?
warm plinth
Fel Hammer was always a memefest even when Munky was there tbh
warm plinth
lol, yes
left hatch
so a r1 at same neck ilvl will be 536 str
for Trekkie's question
its no r12 cloak but not shabby
hoary root
Btw to get rank 12 cloak, just a full clear without mask will suffice right?
hoary root
Oh. Then finally I’ll be a little more caught up after lagging behind so hard
left hatch
yeh the new buffs to catchup make it really easy to catchup
daring marlin
They'll probably do more too
left hatch
i think you can catchup in 2 weeks now? without going too sweaty
daring marlin
Either by giving more essences or vessels or lowering quest objs
My pally I started playing this week is sitting on 7 vessels
left hatch
cause if they keep increasing essence drops ppl are gonna stop doing dailies really quick
ppl are starting to get sockets
probably be maxed out on them in 3 or so weeks
after that no point to do a vision besides your 1 a week 5 mask clear
hoary root
Btw nylotha BOE shield is the best shield right now?
left hatch
i lucked into uggo mount real early
daring marlin
lol wut
hallow phoenix
What stats are the boe shield
mortal brook
whichever shield you get thats highest ilvl is best. its a marginal amount of secondaries
hoary root
Haste vers. But higher haste than the raid drop
hallow phoenix
I imagine there's a better m+ shield that at 475 is better
But haste vers is good
left hatch
by uggo mount im talking the mailbox one
sick sentinel
Can get any shield from box so “best” is a weird word
ML shield is nice if you can get it at 475
warm plinth
What does the mailbox mount even look like?
left hatch
its another penis worm
sick sentinel
There’s a mailbox mount
daring marlin
It's a worm
sick sentinel
Excuse me
mortal brook
or get the worst shield from box. you know.
daring marlin
My buddy got it early on
daring marlin
he didn't even know what it was
sick sentinel
It’s GOOD
mortal brook
its less damage than ret aura like wtf
warm plinth
Worm mounts are fucking awful
Even the expansion mount was old after about 5 seconds
hallow phoenix
I like my worm mount
left hatch
i like the extra toothy one from antorus
sick sentinel
Does the worm actually function as a mailbox are things I would like to know
mortal brook
best part of worm mount is how they have the cloud serpent skeleton and the idle animation that uses a leg to scratch its neck but theres no leg
left hatch
no just drops from a mailbox
warm plinth
lolol
hallow phoenix
Just be an engineer
warm plinth
Is this void language?
left hatch
hawgz is a shadow priest comfirmed
left hatch
with enough leech anything is possible
sick sentinel
Aside from that I play a tank so people think I’m good without actually having to think
terse oasis
so dumb question, how do you start getting comfortable pulling bigger? Like trying to pull more than 2 packs and I think I'm popping way to many defensives when i see my health spike
left hatch
you kinda just do it? you get into a comfortable sync with your healer and are like "ok i dont need defensives here, lets pull until i do"
its really just a feelycraft thing that comes with a ton of practice
terse oasis
i'm mostly stuck with pug healers, so maybe that's part of it
hoary root
I asked because I have a 460 BOE with R1 void ritual. Thinking to sell or replace my current 360 Tol dagor 360. Any advice
terse oasis
like, i'll go from feeling unkillable in one dungeon, to made of tissue paper
left hatch
yup... iv had bad healers that make 12 Tyr keys feel like fortified
terse oasis
it seems to be my common issue on both my prot warrior and guardian druid
left hatch
most tanks will hurt with an awful healer, we no longer have near the amounts of agency we did in legion
its where blizz wan't to go with tank design this xpac
sick sentinel
Also largely depends on what the damage profile is
warm plinth
Tbf, being spikey is likely your fault. We are not a spikey tank if you're playing properly unless you're pulling shit in big packs that you shouldn't.
So could just be you being inconsistent as well. Not saying it is, but it's a possibility
left hatch
also 'using defensives' is a red flag. the only thing you should really sit on is Shield wall
terse oasis
yeah that's totally possible
terse oasis
(wall for warrior, SI/bark for druid, which is why i said defnesives)
left hatch
gotcha
warm plinth
I've had friends who I try to help learn tanking and I'll ask if they're using Shield Block properly and they say they are. Then I look at logs and see them use it 3 times over the course of a boss fight.
left hatch
need that brambles damage
terse oasis
nah, i'm pretty good about block/block/lbock/ls
sick sentinel
Also like I said, knowing and understanding the damage profile of where you are at and when big damage comes contributes to being spikey
terse oasis
i know some of the places it's just that a spell goes through
and i don't have SR up (like the salt blast in TD)
left hatch
yah those lizards are some of the scariest trash in game
terse oasis
the stupid berserks in AD stacking that bleed up too, i think i just need to kite more
sick sentinel
They have ice in their veins
mortal brook
idk, tankadins can get sillyshield
left hatch
at least the caster trash in Shrine has the floor aoe you can let go through to allow kicks to come back
terse oasis
with those kinds of stacking debuff mobs
left hatch
zerkers you can bait the bleed onto a party member or pet
and tbh you avoid the double pack now anyway so
zerkers are way less scary than last season
left hatch
itll hurt them no less than you
sick sentinel
The bleed alone likely won’t kill people as long as your healer is aware
left hatch
cause it ignores armor
left hatch
gotcha
sick sentinel
When you have the bleed and are tanking, that’s where things get hairy
terse oasis
i mean, in AD last week i was getting up to 3 stacks of that bleed on the druid, and even FR + SI was making me reach for health pots
left hatch
i do'nt think theres a zerker in any heavy party damage pack that you don't skip anymore
though teeming might change that
sick sentinel
The one right by the obelisk is the only moderately dangerous one i can remember
And that pack is cheese
terse oasis
cheese how?
terse oasis
as long as the caster gets kicked yeah it's not awful
sick sentinel
Not a lot of men in that pack
left hatch
you can los the 2 casters around the corner on stairs
sick sentinel
^
terse oasis
i've tried a few times to pull the double pack to the left by that pillar
sick sentinel
Like
terse oasis
and every time i get stomped cause the dps doesn't kick healingward/the globle/aoe fire
sick sentinel
Past that obelisk?
left hatch
oh you're talking AD
left hatch
that double pull is usually done with hero
sick sentinel
Now I am confused
left hatch
will we get back RoTS
tame garden
Bear is already risen
left hatch
the people want to know
terse oasis
Bear is actually really good, but it feels like you have to comp around it pretty hard (to me)
tame garden
Only fools underestimate the bear
sick sentinel
Hawgbear inbound
terse oasis
i can do a 16-17 with about any comp, beyond that i start needing a good hpal, dh firemage rogue
strong forum
^
left hatch
having talented people > having fotm
terse oasis
idk, 18's seem to really wreck my day
but it might be just playing with low-average players
(including myself, i suck XD)
left hatch
its more likely the quality of player
strong forum
^
left hatch
more than what they're playing
strong forum
Exactly
terse oasis
BM is actually pretty good right now
strong forum
They fucking destroy meters
terse oasis
like, way better than they should be