protection

[onyx vessel]

Bloodsport

[warm plinth]

[sick sentinel]

First formless major now we are talking about bloodsport

This is a conversation I can be a part of

[onyx vessel]

Formless gives leech

[final mist]

Leech

😠

[sterile mantle]

@warm plinth Im using warden.....

did get the Void-Twisted Titan shard from raid tonight

My 4 trinket choices currently at Void Twisted, Humming, Sigil or a 430 bloodthirsty

[mortal brook]

void is pretty eh. you wont see uptime on the crit at all

[sick spear]

Any suggestions on a weakaura to track maximum ignore pain?

I'd prefer if it didn't track the current absorb

[sterile mantle]

maybe sigil and humming till i get the vita?

[rose furnace]

@sick spear I'm using the one in the guides channel

https://wago.io/ByEbmw6mX

It'll turn red when you're at max and shouldn't press it

idk if that helps

[sick spear]

I saw that, I like knowing the exact number though

I may end up just using the calculations from that and importing it to something else though, if I can figure it out

[rose furnace]

Maybe a wiki or wowhead will have the formula for max absorb amount from ignore pain

And you can calculate it yourself

Or make a WA with that

Idk

But I know that feel where you want a WA for one specific thing

[sick spear]

It's just 1.3*IP amount

but that's a pain in the ass to manage, since it needs to reset when I cast it

[rose furnace]

Idk lol, I'm not too great with WAs

I use the one in the FAQs, see red number don't press button

Me warrior with 2 brain cells banging rocks together

[kind prairie]

just got a Salvaged Mekacycle Shielding. Y'all use it much?

[left hatch]

if its your highest ilvl

otherwise its literally the worst shield in game

[kind prairie]

5 ilvl difference?

[left hatch]

take the higher shield

block>all

[kind prairie]

okie doke. thanks!

[sick sentinel]

Shield absorb is like 1-2% dmg reduction if I did math correctly. Basically useless

[kind prairie]

oof

[warm plinth]

Yep...and the damage proc may as well not exist since the absorb disappears instantly.

[sick sentinel]

Also how tf is 50k overall low lol. Crazy I’m happy if I do 35k

[warm plinth]

🙃 Because Kyothi is better than mere mortals, or so he'd have you believe.

[onyx vessel]

Chad tanks pull big to do more overall

[hallow phoenix]

All about pulling big

[drifting lotus]

anyone rocking T3 EV?

[alpine shard]

Nope. T3 TD, replaced T3 EV after the nerfs

[drifting lotus]

is EV just complete shit now?

[sharp night]

it's fine for ST/cleave, more consistent than TD

technically loses on 2+ targets though

[drifting lotus]

is there a way to spin a T3 TD and a T1 TD?

[left hatch]

why wouldn't there be

[drifting lotus]

lotta corruption

[left hatch]

48 if your cloak is up to date and you use formless

not that much

[wheat python]

Hey guys wondering what all the M+ folks think of next week's affixes versus last week's (bursting, volcanic vs. teeming, quaking)

I feel like volcanic is easier than quaking, but not so sure about teeming in S4

[sweet summit]

bursting volcanic is without a doubt the best push week.
quaking isnt that bad after the rework, teeming isnt too bad

[vocal jacinth]

id say its also one of the easiest weeks i think

[fringe marten]

So for timed saved/clearing 5 mask solos quicker..do you guys feel the stealth food, or the sanity regain food, or the run speed food is better?

I'm leaning towards the stealth food but never used it; i'd hate to plan around it, and it not work the way I think it does.

[warm plinth]

Have not done them on prot but I can tell you that the stealth food works exactly like stealth.

Except that you're not invisible

[fringe marten]

You mean; once I attack the 'food' is gone?

[warm plinth]

Well

the well fed buff stays

But it doesn't reactivate

But, if you still have the Well Fed buff on you, then eating more food will grant the stealth buff instantly instead of after 10 seconds

[fringe marten]

Ok that's exactly what I wanted to know; so it's just out of the equation then.

So in order to surgically clear a zone; you'd need to eat a lot of the food.

[warm plinth]

Well

[fringe marten]

clear a vision~

[warm plinth]

You can use it for areas that you don't need to kill mobs

For example, I use it for Valley of Honor to skip from Misha to the other miniboss (though you can do the skip to the left if you want and really accomplish the same thing)

You don't have to choose between the sanity food and other food though, because it doesn't work from a well fed buff.

[fringe marten]

Hm; so if you're willing to eat a handful of that food item, it does provide the cleanest/fastest 5 mask solo clear.

[warm plinth]

I don't think it really matters what food you use tbh. For most of mine I just used vers food (I main havoc)

[fringe marten]

The potion 'check' in orgrimmar is in that hut to the left of the main hut (where thrall is) right?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[fringe marten]

I know there's a WA or whatever for it; but what are the unintuitive 'opposite' colors?

some will be obvious..blue/red etc.

[warm plinth]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/horrific-visions-potions-guide

[fringe marten]

thanks.

[warm plinth]

Strongly recommend the WA though; then you don't have to remember it XD

[fringe marten]

I went to wago and there was 3, I picked up the top one

I figured they'd be a little more intuitive and I only needed to remember 1 or 2 'odd' color combinations

So yeah I just snagged it.

? do you have to type the name yourself of the potion in chat?

Is the one I should be using is "Identify good potion with 100 sanity"

Think I may have picked up a janky one first.

[warm plinth]

Sec I got one for you

https://wago.io/23q54wiYR

Just click on the color of the bad potion

[fringe marten]

That looks more robust, tracks more stuff...I'll give it a shot; thanks.

[cold sonnet]

what essences are yall taking to 5 mask?

i did 4 mask w/ 2 orbs left and cheat as fury but 5 mask FUCKED me on rexxar.

went through 500 sanity and cheat because i couldn't kill fast enough

i hear tanking it's the play and i have giga gear

[inland bolt]

How doe BOP work on a tank? do they lose all their aggro?

and once you auracancel the Bop you get all your threat back from before

[vocal jacinth]

bop lose all threat yes

idk if u get it back when u cancel but u might do, not sure

guess u can try it out on world mobs

[brittle owl]

you need to interact with the target(s) after you cancel bop

to get the threat back

if you are, for example, kiting and cancelaura bop, you won't get threat back

but if you're in range and revenge/tc after you cancel, they'll come back to you

[tranquil socket]

I have read the icy veins suggested essences for mythic+, but looking at most of the top score prot tanks they use different ones. Should I still follow the icy veins suggested?

[sweet summit]

vop major
aegis/cns/sphere/lucid/void(if CR is needed) minors
^ pick 3

[tranquil socket]

So it doesnt matter that much?

[sweet summit]

all of the ones mentioned are good
so just pick three if them, lucid is probably the one id always keep since it gives more rage to feed into anger management

[strong forum]

It's not a massive difference for tanks

You could literally play the worst essences in the game and still do decent, only at high keys they start to make a difference

Have done a couple 18s this week with cns major just for the fun of it

Not saying it's great, but fun

[vapid ibex]

Which trinket shoul;d i run for m+, i dont have the one from nzoth yet, but i have 465 rezans eye, jes howler, lingering sporepods, vial of animated blood, modular plating or a 460 torment?

[strong forum]

Rezan + torment*

[vapid ibex]

i feel like torment does barely any dmg

[strong forum]

The sporepods and modular plating you can throw in the trash

Torment does a good 2-4k dps in keys

What do you mean

[vapid ibex]

its like on avg 3-4%

[strong forum]

That's good

[sweet summit]

thats good for a trinket

[strong forum]

For a trinket

The times of trinkets doing 10%+ are over

That was legion

[vapid ibex]

ok

but sporepods is shit? usually is my 2nd highest healing lol

[sweet summit]

[amber siren]

no control over when the healing procs, so its just pumping into overhealing

[vapid ibex]

good point

thnx

[sweet summit]

pretty sure its possible to /cancelaura macro it if you need the healing at a point, but its still not good

[onyx vessel]

Good for pvp

[sweet summit]

true

[onyx vessel]

Where random healing is good

Best on arms

[lusty wedge]

Got a void trinket from Raden how is it

[sweet summit]

void bad
vita good

[lusty wedge]

Sad face

And got a 460 shield with mastery proc

How is that?

956?

I can only imagine that with bastion of might

[sweet summit]

depends on what else you have, really

[heady summit]

Does anyone know where I can find a list of relfectable spells for M+?

[sharp rover]

Is the mechacycle shield worth anything?

[lusty wedge]

@sweet summit nothing

[sharp rover]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=169068/salvaged-mekacycle-shielding&bonus=4777

460 haste / vers shield with a socket vs 465 mekacycle

[robust galleon]

hey im looking for an azerite trait stat weight for the azeritepower addon preferably for raiding

[glass hearth]

What major power should I be using for pushing high keys

[south osprey]

Hi guys - does anyone know of addons which 1) automatically mark and 2) track a parties Interrupts?

hey im looking for an azerite trait stat weight for the azeritepower addon preferably for raiding
@robust galleon

Vision of perfection

[glass hearth]

I find that with vision I have no short CD

Like for big dmg that comes in every 30 or so seconds

[south osprey]

Yeah that true

But vision gives you decent damage

As suppose it depends how comfortable you are with the group as well e.g if you know they will interrupt and stun vision may be better

If the group is dogshit then you may need more survivability like fluffy has said

[robust galleon]

group is pretty good but im new to tanking in genreal highest thing ive done is a plus 9 this season

[south osprey]

Take vision then - you wont have to deal with high high damage at that key range anyway

[robust galleon]

@south osprey would it be the same for raiding on heroic and normal by chance

[sweet summit]

@lusty wedge if the mast proc is the only corruption you have then use it

[lusty wedge]

We looking for TD/haste then?

[sweet summit]

damage procs>stat procs>stat %

yea TD will give you the most damage in a dungeon

[lusty wedge]

I have a tier 3 on the BDK. 45-50k is nice, just DK gets nuked in high keys.

[south osprey]

@south osprey would it be the same for raiding on heroic and normal by chance
@robust galleon vision is always major (unless exceptional circumstances arise)

[robust galleon]

Thank you twiggy big help

[unkempt seal]

what essences for 5 mask clear?

[cursive idol]

Modular plat plating any good for a dung trinket?

[sweet summit]

plating is very poop

[analog zinc]

worst trinket in the game

[marble cipher]

@south osprey for the marking and party interrupt, those are weakaura's, check wago.io and Search 'party interrupt' and 'auto mark' or something.

(you have to use the weakauras addon though, but I generally assume people have/use it)

[faint cove]

https://wago.io/KSD4lNG5s

been useing that tracker for a while works good

[mortal brook]

any time modular plating would be useful, is when you would lose stacks of it. feels bad

[strong forum]

@heady summit theres a spreadsheet in #268491842637660160

[wooden radish]

@warm plinth happy leap day Pinky

[strange frost]

So why is lucid dreams as major so good this week? To survive big pull at start until you have to kite?

[sick sentinel]

Its not good

[strange frost]

its not good and thats why top tanks run it right?

[high sierra]

lol

he doesn't know

Esu you do 20+ ?

[sweet summit]

top tanks =/= your keys

[strange frost]

18-19s atm

[high sierra]

perfect

with a team?

ppl you know?

[strange frost]

ye

[high sierra]

are you coordinating big pulls with your group where you wouldn't survive without super duper leech ?

[strange frost]

yes

😄

[high sierra]

and by big pulls I mean

big pulls

[wind garden]

Like 15 mobs

[high sierra]

like 15-20 yeah

[strange frost]

I know what you mean. Why im asking is leach does lose benefit from necrotic so its good for start of the pull as I understand right?

[wind garden]

Yes

Then blow your cc when stacks get high, kite to drop, reengage

[sweet summit]

leech is not why you take lucid

[strange frost]

😄

ty for answers

and yes it is, leach and more ignore pain

[chrome pecan]

Is TA3 worth it for the 66 corruption?

[gaunt ocean]

What ilvl is the piece?

[chrome pecan]

410

lol

my prot warr is my alt

hit 120 like yesterday

F

[sick sentinel]

Guys a question whats the Point all high Prot´s are playing with memory in major? Use it and spam ignore pain or what?

[strong forum]

Defensive gain for giga high keys

Aka spam IP, get 2-3 Demo shouts and 2 avatar

Back to back

[chrome pecan]

is there a point in spamming IP?

kinda new to warr

[strong forum]

Yes

[chrome pecan]

so idk

What does it do

[strong forum]

Anger Management

[sick sentinel]

ty @strong forum

[strong forum]

The rage you spend let's yo get your CDs back faster

[chrome pecan]

Should we spend it on like Revenge instead cuz IP dont stack completely i think

without memory as major

i mean

[strong forum]

No you will overcap rage like crazy if you don't spam IP

[chrome pecan]

aight

so as soon as i have enough rage for IP

[strong forum]

And overcapping rage is the worst thing you can do

[chrome pecan]

i use it

[strong forum]

No

[chrome pecan]

ya obv

ah

[strong forum]

You need to know when and where you can press IP instead of SB

Shieldblock is higher importance than IP

Overcapping IP is less importance than overcapping rage

[chrome pecan]

aight thx mah man

[strong forum]

If you know you can spend rage on revenge / IP it is recommended assuming you can't use Shieldslam or Thunderclap

Keep SS and TC on CD to maximise rage Generation

[timid saddle]

Can we spellreflect despair/shattered resolve on vexiona?

[strong forum]

There's a spreadsheet in #268491842637660160

[wise rivet]

so.. rng just fucked me and i need some help..
i got a 475 helmet with bastion and IF but i'd lose my DC..
if i want to add a DC back then i'd lose Ablative Shielding + 1 Bastion.. wtf do i do now?

[wanton shard]

So I'm trying to refine my 5 mask, I got to Thrall twice, then have just been dying to dumb shit like lag and titan proc RNG. Can anyone share how they managed it in Prot? Like essences, etc.

[sweet summit]

Ablative Shielding is bad
DC is worth like 15 ilvls, BoM isnt worth any ilvl

[wise rivet]

i see

adios BoM then

thanks @sweet summit

[lucid dew]

if i switch factions will i lose my mythic + chest

for the week

[sweet summit]

you should not, might happen bc blizzard idk

[warm plinth]

@wanton shard Gift isn’t really RNG. It has an internal cooldown. You want to get a WA for it and make sure it’s off ICD going into Thrall so that it procs when you kill the adds.

[boreal burrow]

Does Conflict and Strife for Prot have DR? I don't recall that happening before, but maybe i just didnt pay enough attention to it

Major

[strong forum]

If theres a >=30% slow applied it doesnt root

but no DR

[cinder roost]

@wanton shard Did you get to Thrall with an Orb remaining?

[wanton shard]

Yeah I messed up and haven't been able to get back

I tried to even out my AoE and ST damage a bit

Honestly it's the corrupted sectors that end up being the worst

[cinder roost]

Do you have TD ?

[wanton shard]

Yeah I can run 12-24%

[cinder roost]

Did you run CoF Major & Deva?

[strong forum]

cof major + cyclo + td is a must have

deva idk

[wanton shard]

Devastator is kind of weird, yeah

I do have a Brace

[cinder roost]

How is it weird

[wanton shard]

So it is at least damage

[cinder roost]

We even run Deva on multi fight in raid

[wanton shard]

It helped me big with the 4 mask

[strong forum]

uuh...

[sweet summit]

uh

[warm plinth]

Uhhh

[cinder roost]

And AE isn't a concern

[sick sentinel]

when do u ever run deva in a aoe fight

What

[wanton shard]

I probably need to swap to CoF major and the cyclo then.

[strong forum]

defo Rey

its gonna make your life so much easier in visions

[warm plinth]

If you have TD, I wouldn’t really worry about evening out your damage. Go for the single target damage which is where you’re going to be lacking in visions.

[wanton shard]

Honestly I'm overestimating some of the baby mobs

So they catch me with the voids, etc. Just overpulling when I gotta take it a bit slower out of my titan procs

[wild stump]

Hs anyone gotten better cards for higher cyclo? ;_;

[wanton shard]

So I need more practice. But I'm out of vessels, lol.

[strong forum]

no Ukhai they dont drop from m+

if thats what youre asking

[wild stump]

Oh damn

Yeah

[warm plinth]

You really have so much time Rey. There’s no reason to rush. Just plan your gift procs out for the dangerous mini bosses/bosses

[wanton shard]

Yeah Ghash, I got too impatient

[sick sentinel]

📉

[wanton shard]

A friend got the 5 mask Org

So my competitive streak fucked me. 😛

[warm plinth]

I’ve been there. I rushed my first attempt at 5 masking and got myself killed on Rexxar like an idiot because I didn’t wait for Gift to be ready and then went ham from the start and had 4 adds up at once XD

[wanton shard]

I had a sick week though, T3 Twilight 455 gloves and 460 boots with 12% haste.

[cinder roost]

Well depend, do you consider Hivemind and Vexiona AoE fight?

[wanton shard]

So despite the bad masks, I had a big win

lol

[warm plinth]

Damn T3 TD. That’s the dream

[wanton shard]

Yeah I can safely run 24% now if I want. Haha.

540k crits

[strong forum]

okay... time to block reydric

got it

[wanton shard]

😦

[strong forum]

:angery:

[wanton shard]

Hey man I've had no luck since launch, it was just finally my week

You'll be next, watch!

[strong forum]

i got EV t5 a little too late

[warm plinth]

I’m still sitting here with my measly T2 EV and T1 TD ::

:/*

[strong forum]

better than nothing

[warm plinth]

Yep

[wanton shard]

So here's another question that falls more in line with TD. Is there a point where we want more stam for it? Or just continue to balance our other damage around the RNG of the procs

[strong forum]

get more haste for it

thats the big brain play

[wanton shard]

Right

[left hatch]

well you want more stam in that ilvl will give you more stam

[strong forum]

more procs > higher procs

[left hatch]

but as far as like.... stamina flask or anima major

no

you don't

[wanton shard]

I got a Vita this week, so maybe I want to move into incorporating my haste boots into my build, I'd prefer to stay under 59 atm lol

[left hatch]

you'll lose far more dps than youd gain

[strong forum]

^

[cinder roost]

@strong forum @warm plinth @sick sentinel On which raid fight do you use BV?

[sweet summit]

every fight thats not shadhar

[strong forum]

^

[warm plinth]

I don’t raid. But if AoE DPS matters, you don’t use Devastator.

[cinder roost]

So we're not talking DPS then?

We're talking Survival?

[left hatch]

were talking both

[sweet summit]

BV is always better for survival afaik

[left hatch]

anytime theres a slightest bit of cleave deva falls behind

[strong forum]

i mean i ran deva in all fights in EP

but in Nya

[cinder roost]

I mean logs disagree with you

[warm plinth]

Disagree with what exactly?

[strong forum]

most logs are running deva thats true

eh idk

boost is running anima major for Carapace

[left hatch]

hes looking at top 10s where they are doing stuff like 1phasing wrathion

so theres no aoe component

[strong forum]

i mean Sako has #1 Shadhar

soo

[cinder roost]

So Hivemind is a ST fight?

Xanesh too?

Vexiona?

Strange to see all those deva logs on them

[left hatch]

hivemind and ves also have a mixture of BV in with the deva for top 10

and imagine fixating on a talent on top 10 parses when corruption is 30%+ of your damage

[cinder roost]

I'm not denying that Morrison, I'm considering BV on Vexiona

[mortal brook]

i mean let's not take it to extremes. I use cof even on aoe fights, but also use things like merektha's fang on em

[left hatch]

it depends on how good your dps is? if it blows up instantly then no BV wouldn't be worth it

if the spawns are up for~10+s itll most likely do better

[strong forum]

difference between Deva and BV is close to none as soon as theres situations where you can get some damage on adds

so its really a moot point

nowadays

[left hatch]

the other big consideration is how nice is your co-tank in moving the adds near enough for you to cleave

cause that wildly changes what kind of fight it is for you

[strong forum]

in EP sure, but in Nya i dont think it makes a difference whatsoever

unless youre going 3x bfi

then youre gonna get more out of deva

[mortal brook]

things like haste proc gonna favor deva as well

[strong forum]

are they though, rage gain from BV is a big point

[cinder roost]

Pretty sure I gain more or equal rage from Deva

[mortal brook]

I'd weight the gains from faster autos over a potential for rage spill yeah

[left hatch]

you don't

mwahi has mathed it out

[sick sentinel]

U literally dont

Lol

[strong forum]

if that was the case BV wouldnt be played

ever

[mortal brook]

is there a point where rage gain is high enough you cant spend it on dps any better than you already are?

[left hatch]

even if you ignore SS resets overwriting each other with it or only coming up as it comes off cd (which is inevitable) the rage gen is a little below it

[strong forum]

no it scales infinitely

cuz IP is off GCD

[mortal brook]

ip isnt dps

wel

[strong forum]

its rage spent

[sick sentinel]

And youre limited on gcds

[warm plinth]

IP is DPS because of CDR from AM

[strong forum]

aka faster CDs

[left hatch]

^

[sick sentinel]

U get maxed out

It doesnt scale infinitely

[mortal brook]

so whats the point where rage gain hits gcd limiter?

[warm plinth]

But there would be a cap at some point because IP has a cooldown. It’d be pretty unreachable though I’d think

[sick sentinel]

Its not unreachavle

Look at lucid

U get capped 100% of the time

[left hatch]

🤔

[mortal brook]

would that be the point where the haste amp favors AA speed enough that deva pulls ahead

?

[sick sentinel]

Youre forgetting that additional damage from demo tho

[mortal brook]

aye good point

[warm plinth]

I don’t mean unreachable period. I mean unreachable at a consistent level. Procs/effects are a different story

[strong forum]

not really, cuz by that point you spend so much rage that Demo comes of CD even faster

if anything

[sick sentinel]

You can already have demo one toght after another

[strong forum]

haste favours Demo

[sick sentinel]

Right*

[strong forum]

more than it favours deva

cuz you get more uptime on the dmg buff

cuz lower cds on demo

[left hatch]

not to mention that rage gen means higher ava uptime

where AAs do not let you live in ava

[cinder roost]

Are we talking multi ?

[sick sentinel]

Both

[cinder roost]

Cause there's no point talking damage on BV in ST

[left hatch]

talking a theoretical mega haste world

[wanton shard]

So running my 2 TDs I pretty much need to run a corruption minor, formless all times but solo, right?

[left hatch]

raid yes

M+ most likely

depends on group comp tho

if everyone is running VoP then you gotta run str instead

[strong forum]

formless depends on your group in m+, warden r3 is fine

[wanton shard]

Under 59 corruption isn't necessarily undoable, right? I mean anytime I don't need Spell Reflect it kind of takes care of what pops up when a CC/cloak use is down

[strong forum]

ive been running it for a while, its fine-ish

[wanton shard]

Obviously eye can be a nightmare

[sweet summit]

as long as you dont gimp your group you can also SB it

[wanton shard]

Yeah

[mortal brook]

thats a talk of comfort between you and your healer really

[wanton shard]

That's fair

I'm getting more used to it

[hallow phoenix]

Shield block it?

Wut

[sweet summit]

storm bolt

oops

[wanton shard]

Storm

lol

[hallow phoenix]

Oh

Derp

[wanton shard]

And yeah I do run Storm when I have Thing up

I love when it spawns directly behind me in close quarters

lol

[hallow phoenix]

You can fear a mob and thing will run away

Works great on bosses especially

[wanton shard]

Oh okay so it can be feared, hadn't tested it yet

Very nice for bosses

[hallow phoenix]

When it spawns behind me I tend to fear and break the mobs in front of me with revenge

By then I can tclap without breaking the things fear

[wanton shard]

Yeah that's how I usually use the fear

[hallow phoenix]

Prot is exceptional at dealing with 40+ corruption and I pretty much always run it now

[wanton shard]

Yeah I agree

It's been my norm around low 40

[left hatch]

honestly the closer you get to 60 its not the TFB thats the yikes thing

its the eye

[wanton shard]

Yeah the eye is the worst by far.

[left hatch]

the damage actually scales up with corruption, and it gets pretty beeg

[hallow phoenix]

Reading a bit above, I top 10 on wrathion with devastator btw morrison

Pretty sure it's better on those fights where there isn't always cleave

[left hatch]

lots of people have

and it depends on the ratio of cleave to ST

[hallow phoenix]

And my guild doesn't one phase wrathion

We usually hit enrage >.>

Devastator is very very good for parses even on cleave fights

Just wanted to stand up for my boi devastator

[left hatch]

yeh

[light nova]

Ha ur guild must have low dmg :o

[hallow phoenix]

Lmfao

[left hatch]

like i said it depends what proportion of the fight is cleave vs st

[hallow phoenix]

If you stopped dying

[cinder roost]

@hallow phoenix My man

[left hatch]

or your ability to contribute

like deva is great in workshop

despite there being 6 aoe pulls

[light nova]

I haven’t killed him in 2 weeks >:^) so ha @hallow phoenix

[cinder roost]

Honestly I'm biased cause I hate going back to BV but when I hear stuff like BV everywhere where there's not pure ST or Deva being weird in Vision, Idk man

[left hatch]

i think he was saying deva is weird

cause the playstyle

which i don't get that either

cause i just muscle memory hit deva anyway

on empty gcds

[warm plinth]

Idk, I can see it being odd. But better is better. ST damage definitely matters far more in visions than AoE

[cinder roost]

Just put SS in the Deva slot 😄

[warm plinth]

Even in trash packs you usually have a priority target you want to burn down as quickly as possible

Like dominators or anything that leaves a fuckin swirl on the ground -_-

[cinder roost]

Yes

Idk personnally it's BV gameplay I find odd now, I just hate pressing Devastate

[warm plinth]

I just mean if you're used to using one, it might be weird to use the other because you're used to hitting/not hitting that extra ability. Like going from Legion prot to BFA prot was weird for me for that reason.

Because Deva was so prevalent in Legion and in BFA when I came back, it was BV all the way in dungeons

Well, it was BV anyway but they were on separate tiers before XD

[cinder roost]

I played BV all Uldir and a little in BoD, the switch to Deva was weird at first but then couldn't go back

[strong forum]

same

but i still press demo on CD

like a mongol

[cinder roost]

Haha

[strong forum]

literally burned into my brain

to press demo on cd

cant wait for shadowlands to fuckup protwar again

now that we for once have a godlike interation

[left hatch]

so if dps wars can use a shield and shield block now..

can prot use a 2-h

just have a dps stance like catweaving. big deepus

[flint cliff]

So what trait comp is supposed to be best for m+ using the azerite pieces out of Nzoth? 3x BoM, 1x DC, 2x HoD? Or take instead of 2x HoD one Brace for Impact and one Iron Fortress?

[left hatch]

HoD probably better if you're pushing higher keys

assuming you have a 475 shield

[hallow phoenix]

Imagine having a 475 shield

:(

[mortal brook]

imagine getting a 475 shield but its the mechagon one D:

[hallow phoenix]

Still worth

[mortal brook]

heckin gave up stats for something worse than ret aura

who designs these things

[warm plinth]

But like

Ret aura?

[mortal brook]

bop week, no spellwarding

D:

[warm plinth]

Isn't that double horsie tier?

[mortal brook]

procs TDs

[warm plinth]

Ah, did not know that was a thing

Interesting

[mortal brook]

probably doesnt actually improve the ppm tho tbh

[warm plinth]

Probably not :p

[mortal brook]

havent ever had a need for double horse tho

[warm plinth]

Um excuse me

https://tenor.com/w6bn.gif

[mortal brook]

steves a facetanker dangit

[drifting lotus]

q: i have enough gold to buy a EV t3 piece (475) - there isn't a t3 TD piece available and when it is, im guessing it will be 2-3 times more. i already have a t1 TD

alternatively, i could get a 445 t2 TD and i'd have the equivalent (maybe?) of t3? thoughts?

[left hatch]

TD 3 > EV3 in most situations

[drifting lotus]

yeah, i'd prefer td3 - but it's hella expensive

even when it's there..

[mortal brook]

TD is going to win even in ST dps per corruption

[hallow phoenix]

TD is gross and I need to get more than my t1 piece of it

Stuck with searing flames for now

[drifting lotus]

yeah, i'd love to get td

[cinder roost]

I'd get TD, usefull in more situation, and T2 you can combine with other stuff if you want to remove your T1 for some reason

[drifting lotus]

so, we're saying the TD2(445) > EV3(475)?

[hallow phoenix]

Most likely yes

Can always sim I guess

[cinder roost]

Also, what content Trekie?

[drifting lotus]

m+

[cinder roost]

So TD 100%

[mortal brook]

gotta do them world quests

B I S. aint takin this off till shadowlands

[warm plinth]

Probably not is the fucking sad part

[drifting lotus]

:lol:

[mortal brook]

not unless i get more TD on more pieces

couple more weeks this thing is gettin a socket

[cinder roost]

I should do them, I'm rockin mail boots with TD2 haha

[drifting lotus]

that's sad 😦

[warm plinth]

Shit I'll wear 380 shit if it had TD3 on it at this poitn 😂

[mortal brook]

at least its wrists

[warm plinth]

Wait is that actually worth it to not get the 5% strength Sako?

[mortal brook]

probably lol

clothadin gogo

[drifting lotus]

if you have 2 TD - does it just proc twice as much?

[mortal brook]

nah, dmg amps, same rate

[cinder roost]

We don't even lose 5% str we lose 5% sta apparently

5% str in DPS spec

[robust galleon]

so raiding running BoM x3 with VoP is the way to go correct then 1 TC trait and fill other 2 with iron fotress and such or is there a better setup

[cinder roost]

I discovered that last time

And yes it's worth cause it's broken 🙂

But I'd like having my 5% sta for even more

[sacred roost]

Quick question, I used the rank 2 breath of the dying think and got the tanking essence, how do I get rank 2 of breath of the dying now?

[drifting lotus]

how do you sim gear you don't have?

:#

[sacred roost]

gear compare does it

you can type in the name, assuming your using raidbots.

[mortal brook]

Gear Compare tab

[drifting lotus]

raidbots - incredible

[warm plinth]

@sacred roost You will get 3 breaths from your first minivision next week. Just change loot spec to the spec you want it for and use them and you'll get R2 of the other essence.

[hallow phoenix]

You can also manually add gear to your /simcraft string and run it through top gear

If you're curious about combinations and don't want to manually make them with gear compare

[grand spruce]

How many stacks of necrotic can one take before they should start kiting?

[drifting lotus]

looks like the TD2(445) is about 1k more dps than EV3(475)

[strong forum]

on ST

on aoe its even more

in m+ EV T5 is about 7k dps

TD T2 is 8.5k dps

:))))))))))

ozzy around 30 its starting to get scary

[grand spruce]

Thank you

Are there any weak auras that track necrotic?

[cinder storm]

There are

[grand spruce]

Cool. I'll grab one when I can

[drifting lotus]

oh - that was with dungeon slice @strong forum

[left hatch]

don't use dungeon slice

[sick sentinel]

[left hatch]

Patcherwerk 1t 3m
Patchwerk 3t 2m
Patchwerk 5t 2m

is how you sim M+

[drifting lotus]

then just ave?

[left hatch]

not so much avg as just thinkin gabout the situtaion

cause its st, cleave and aoe

like workshop id lean into w/e the 1t build was

freehold id go for the 5t one

more often than not the 3t and 5t are the same

[drifting lotus]

interesting - thanks

[mortal brook]

then places like workshop will more favor the 1 boss

[left hatch]

KR and seige on tyranical might also benefit from 1 target

since they recommend going ClF as dps there as a dps

[exotic spoke]

I think there’s a better mixture of single target and multi target this season in M+

[left hatch]

yah.. nzoth adds also add a component to is

in gneeral this season is just really interesting

[mortal brook]

looking forward to MDI strats. 'and they all have 9TD! let's see who gets eaten by bad Things and who wins the race!'

[left hatch]

def predicting way higher death counts

[high sierra]

still no urchin this week 😢

[left hatch]

big risk strats were juicy during reaping. i can only imagine now

[mortal brook]

just doing like 3 obelisk bosses with final boss np

[left hatch]

only 3?

what a casual

true chad gamers do all 4

[mortal brook]

one skip was necessary

[left hatch]

bring a rogue 4head (:

[warm plinth]

I was just about to say that exact thing Morrison 😂

[mortal brook]

nah, 5vdh is the play

shear to win

shear and TD npnp

[left hatch]

TD9 + gluttony builds

90% of damage is td

juicy

[mortal brook]

one runs FTD VoP Glut and maintanks

the rest cof/soulbomb

TD wins the game

[left hatch]

i think at this point gluttony might be better than SB

[warm plinth]

lul

[left hatch]

meta gives giga health

(assuming TD of course)

[mortal brook]

if they dont give corruption options they're INTing the whole MDI

[analog zinc]

on single target gluttony is a 1.5k dps loss for my VDH over spirit bomb with 1x t3 TD

[warm plinth]

Sounds about right. Seems worth it to me. 1.5k DPS for insane survivability

I'm a little biased though; my M+ tank is a VDH

[sick sentinel]

That is so edgy

[warm plinth]

You're the edgy one you elitist prick ❤️

[strong forum]

a good VDH in m+ is giga

same in raid

one of the biggest reliefs is to have a VDH glut cotank

[hallow phoenix]

I'm still hoping we recruit this vdh that is looking to trial

[mortal brook]

so at 9TD, forget about it

[analog zinc]

dh is just godlike rn

top 2 in m+

top 2 in raid

[hallow phoenix]

He does m+ too so I can finally stop being the only tank in the guild

[stark scroll]

Shh some people still think it's bad so it doesn't get any blizz attendion

[analog zinc]

they're not gonna rebalance shit til next expansion

& if anything they'd nerf dks

a mid tier tank with top tier representation

[strong forum]

^

[hallow phoenix]

Did people suddenly reroll DK or something

[analog zinc]

basically

[hallow phoenix]

What happened

Muh magic damage?

[analog zinc]

Dk went from being overused in china to being overused in the entire world

[strong forum]

Muh grips

[left hatch]

lul ppl saw all the YTers go "DH BEST IN RAID"

and ran with it

and ignored the plethora of articles that said "uhhmmm no.... they not best"

[hallow phoenix]

Peepo dumb

[analog zinc]

dks are only top for 2 fights, hivemind for grips, & shad'har because they have 2 taunts & are the best off-tank (ignore the fact that a DH can solo tank shad'har)

[mortal brook]

its a really complicated rotation to solo shadhar tho

[strong forum]

the mass grip is good on carapace aswell

[left hatch]

and in M+ they're still at the bottom

[mortal brook]

shear shear shear shear shear shear shear shear

[hallow phoenix]

Woyer and pally have two taunts

[left hatch]

still have that issue that at a certain point they become paper

and fall over

and their dps isn't as good as other tanks :/

[mortal brook]

TD is the great equalizer

[analog zinc]

pally's 2nd taunt is on a 5 minute CD, warrior's isn't up for every combo, & you dont want a dedicated warrior offtank

[strong forum]

war has 2 taunts too 🙂

on low CD

🙂

[mortal brook]

challenging roar?

[left hatch]

30s with the talent

[analog zinc]

yeah but 2 taunts is only useful if you want to guarantee double disolve

[mortal brook]

ooo that flag one??

[inland silo]

Leap

[analog zinc]

in a DCD combo

[inland silo]

Resets taunt cd

[analog zinc]

yeah i fucking know

[strong forum]

warri can just intervene crush

[analog zinc]

warri can do what now

[hallow phoenix]

^

That's what I do

[strong forum]

🙂

[analog zinc]

i thought that just worked on autos

[strong forum]

no

[analog zinc]

not mechanic

[hallow phoenix]

Just let the other guy hold boss forever

[analog zinc]

wow

[strong forum]

if its a physical mechanic

[analog zinc]

ok warrior best main tank

if you have no dk offtank

warrior negates disolve crush disolve

which is the only dangerous combo

[strong forum]

i mean warri can intervene fucking powdershot on eudora

[warm plinth]

Glutt is only really good in M+ right now because of corruption. Without a rework, VDH will just go right back to sucking when corruption goes away.

[strong forum]

thats also a mechanic

[left hatch]

glut is only good at dps*

[warm plinth]

Right

[left hatch]

they're still passable in M+ because they're unkillable gods

[analog zinc]

dh is good in m+ because they're retardedly tanky while also being competitive on dmg due to corruption

[warm plinth]

But threat becomes an issue without corruption. I peeled a lot last season.

[analog zinc]

idk if fracture glut is tankier than war

ftd glut is by far tankier

in every scenario except 1

ftd glut is the tankiest tank in all scenarios except against a Brewmaster on Orgozoa :^)

[strong forum]

just started doing raden and wrathion on dh

trying to get me those haste trinkets so i can play shear

[left hatch]

and i think Vdh is going to lose a lot more by losing VoP than by losing corruptions

[analog zinc]

vop sucks on dh

[strong forum]

na

VoP doesnt do a whole lot

[left hatch]

i thought the major is why glut is so strong rn

[analog zinc]

i dont even run vop when i run glut

[left hatch]

is because you live in meta

[strong forum]

no glut is why its working

vop is 1ppm

[analog zinc]

vop is .92 PPM, glut is 3

[strong forum]

glut is 3

meta is why meta is strong

[left hatch]

so whats the major play in keys then

[strong forum]

vop cuz theres nothing else to use

[analog zinc]

doesnt rly matter

i use cruc

[strong forum]

no single major is useful

[left hatch]

ah so like every other tank basically

default is something like anima cause everything is so low impact

[analog zinc]

tbh tho

VoP minor is giga

on dh

[strong forum]

ill just defaul to vop major tbh

[analog zinc]

lets you use manual meta on every 2nd or 3rd pack

[strong forum]

but im giga underhasted

so i cant play shear

or make use of TD

i ran TD T5 in siege

80 corruption

TD didnt even do 10k dps

[analog zinc]

yike

[strong forum]

rly need those haste trinkets

[barren wagon]

Do ppl play prot lucid major jst to spam ignore pain as much u can in those lucid buff?

[analog zinc]

what key levels are you doing?

[strong forum]

lucid major is played if you absolutely need it to survive the pull and youre already playing "perfectly"

aka GIGA high keys

below that it has no application whatsoever

[analog zinc]

i wouldnt tell them that nomer

don't tempt them

[strong forum]

i literally told him the deal

[sacred roost]

So what essenses are we looking at getting now? VoP isn't primary anymore?

[analog zinc]

vop

[strong forum]

VoP is your main essence

[stoic pilot]

I’ve been liking conflict major too. Helps dropping stacks this week too

[strong forum]

its fun

but not exactly very useful

[stoic pilot]

Conflict major?

[strong forum]

yes

[stoic pilot]

I’d say it’s pretty good in niche circumstances

Makes surviving first pull of TD pretty easy when you mass pull it all

[analog zinc]

C&S is very good in td

[stoic pilot]

It makes underrot bloodswarmers bug out and not charge

If you have avatar up

[analog zinc]

but it is comp dependant

here's how that charge works

it has like a 15 second cooldown & can only charge if you're too far away from them

[stoic pilot]

Yes I know that

But they’ll rubberband

If you root them mid charge

[analog zinc]

wym?

[stoic pilot]

And teleport back to their initial location

[analog zinc]

like they drop fixate?

[sick sentinel]

They teleport

back

[analog zinc]

ah interesting

[stoic pilot]

No they teleport back

It’s not exactly game breaking cause if you’re doing high UR keys your group should know how to kite fixate

But it helps a bit

I’ve been really liking CnS major in junkyard as well

But I’ve been between that and lucid for it

[sick sentinel]

You want cns major

for shockbots

[stoic pilot]

Just so they pump more?

[sick sentinel]

yes

[stoic pilot]

I was considering cns major to stop run and guns easier

But lucid since we do a 5 pack pull at start and it’s sketchy

I’ll prob just go cns next time

[sick sentinel]

then don't do a 5 pack pull at start

[stoic pilot]

But it’s fun

[sick sentinel]

the first pull you do

should have 3 shockbots

[stoic pilot]

Yup

[sick sentinel]

on the left

[stoic pilot]

We do 2 boys

Bots

Then the coilbearers, patrol and 3 pack at top of the ramp with the 3 bots

[analog zinc]

i havent done many keys this season

but i did do a nice key where we went to trogg, made a giga pull & lusted

[sick sentinel]

you should never pull that patrol

[sacred roost]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kHYwxGks3YaKhkeKo8HsPq I'm not sure what to get or change here to do any better.

[sick sentinel]

nor the 3 bots up top

[stoic pilot]

It’s not hard %

[sick sentinel]

it's slow %

[stoic pilot]

Nor the ones up top

[analog zinc]

31k giga low

[stoic pilot]

With hero all at once not really

[sick sentinel]

yes

it is

[sacred roost]

think I just need to get the higher ilvl versions of my chest/helm/shoulders.

[sick sentinel]

it's slow %

[strong forum]

Crucible Major, devastator talent, DPS trinkets

[stoic pilot]

I mean you can have your opinions if you don’t back it up I can’t just believe you lol

[analog zinc]

you need higher ilvl in everything

also >tank trinkets

[sick sentinel]

You're back tracking if you go up there

[analog zinc]

sporepods

[stoic pilot]

No we’re not cuz we get bots and then jump down to hunker

Gunker

[strong forum]

and ye, just play more, get some corruptions and ilvl

[sick sentinel]

you should have 5 shocks by the time you get to gunker without even going up there

and you shouldn't need to pull anything near that obelisk

at all

[stoic pilot]

Idk it didn’t seem bad in the run we did

What key levels are you doing?

[sick sentinel]

21

22s

[stoic pilot]

Yeah we had plenty of time left in a 21 but we scuffed uh

[sacred roost]

what's wrong with sporepods?

[analog zinc]

they're shit

[sick sentinel]

it's just garbage

[stoic pilot]

We scuffed trogg boss

[analog zinc]

[stoic pilot]

Idk I’ll look into route

[undone sun]

everything is wrong with sporepods

[stoic pilot]

But your “no it’s bad” attitude doesn’t help too much lol

[sick sentinel]

its literally just slower

[stoic pilot]

Do you pull the bots outside of gnome area to make up for %?

Like at the gates?

Cuz we skip most of the annoying bots and trogg trash doing this

And have 5 shock bots on first pull

Sorry first giga pull*

[sacred roost]

What trinkets we looking for now?

[analog zinc]

vita / wrathion / butcher's block / rezan's

n'zoth trinket maybe

[sick sentinel]

We don't do any trogg trash

besides the one that's needed

[analog zinc]

really?

it looks pretty efficient to me

[stoic pilot]

Hmm I need to check route then

[strong forum]

the shockwave / enrage stuff can wipe you quite quickly

[stoic pilot]

Yeah

[analog zinc]

dont stand in shockwaves

[stoic pilot]

We don’t do bots or mostly trogg trash minus one pack by obelisk and the boss

[analog zinc]

enrage is on like a 15s cd

[strong forum]

its an additional risk you dont have to take

[sick sentinel]

You can spell reflect everything in the gunker area

[analog zinc]

so 1 person can handle each

[stoic pilot]

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

and just nuke it

[stoic pilot]

Do you just do a lot of gunker trash then?

[sick sentinel]

we do what's on the way of the bots

so everything

[stoic pilot]

We were being extra careful with the slimes

Which made us do that pull initially with hero to get it on cd

Since I literally just need to walk like 10 steps then go back

[hallow phoenix]

You can spell reflect the consume that big slimes do

[sick sentinel]

yes

[hallow phoenix]

It's amazing

[sick sentinel]

it does extremes amount of damage

like I can do 150k single target

just on that t

[stoic pilot]

I’m talking bout the gnome eating slimes

The only actual dangerous trash

[analog zinc]

just clap

[stoic pilot]

That just eat people lmao

[sick sentinel]

just clap them

[warm plinth]

Healer should be dispelling a DPS instantly when possible too since the consume doesn’t reapply unless you leave the slime and go back in

[sacred roost]

Gore encrusted butchers block?

[analog zinc]

yes

[sacred roost]

so VoP/MoLD/Aegis/Null (generally) for essences?

[sick sentinel]

Vision/CnS major. Vision/CnS, Sphere, Aegis, Lucid minors

[analog zinc]

VoP major, Lucid, Strife, Sphere, Formless (if need CR), Aegis, Null

in that order

[sweet summit]

^

[hallow phoenix]

You like lucid minor over strife minor?

[analog zinc]

no

i always take both

so the order of first 2 dont rly matter

[hallow phoenix]

Fair point

[strong forum]

CNS minor is MUST have

[analog zinc]

i always run vop / lucid / c&s

one of them is a major

[hallow phoenix]

I didn't start running lucid until neck 75

[dense plaza]

whats our go to stats for gems and accords

[hallow phoenix]

Haste

Some people do crit for m+ I guess but haste is always a solid choice

[sacred roost]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i5w2AqDn7Yfwczuz52kmrm not that ring though 🙂

[analog zinc]

"Prot warrior survives the damage & needs healing, Blood dk doesnt need healing but does need rezzes"

[crystal dirge]

wait I've just seen this

how do you reflect Consume on slimy bois?

[left hatch]

stand in it and hit spell reflect

ez

[crystal dirge]

lol wtf

[hallow phoenix]

Puts the heal absorb on them too, which is useless but still cool

[coral kestrel]

Are the tank specific trinkets ever worth it or like vita/humming or torment better options?

[strong forum]

nzoth trinket is good

thats about it

[coral kestrel]

thanks. trying to fill out gear and figuring out what specs to roll each boss, already have vita/humming/torment

[opal igloo]

is it worth on off pieces to drop 10 IL for a socket?

[strong forum]

5 yes

10 no

[hallow phoenix]

Defensively no

[opal igloo]

kk thanks guys

[vocal jacinth]

what % versa shud i aim for?

[obtuse meadow]

whats our besy M+ shield?

[sweet summit]

motherload shield is the best "stat wise"

@vocal jacinth as much as your highest item level gear allow you to have

[mortal brook]

any shield but the mechadungeon shield is best shield. the secondaries arent that disparate. can probably run droptimizer or your stat weights if you're looking for a dungeon to fish one from though @obtuse meadow

[winged grail]

How feasible is 5 masks as prot?

[mortal brook]

very doable

several here have completed

[winged grail]

Any specific tip/build?

[mortal brook]

treat it like a tyrannical dungeon. use consumables, go wisdom spirits drag honor. %heal food is probably best. eat kbab, dont eat sanity reducers. https://wago.io/23q54wiYR here's a fantastic weak aura for tracking time, potions, gift and gift icd

do world quests for Twilight Devastation. thatll get you most of the way kek

[winged grail]

😄

I got 1 TD and 3 EV

[mortal brook]

ez game

[obtuse meadow]

is Pawn a good addon for us?

[winged grail]

Does Kbab work twice?

I.e. channel the full 20sec?

Or just once

[ruby violet]

does Bulwark of the Masses stack?

[warm plinth]

Just once @winged grail

[winged grail]

Thanks

[warm plinth]

@obtuse meadow no, pawn is not good for anyone really

@ruby violet yes but it’s kinda meh. Seems to not proc as often as it should

[mortal brook]

@obtuse meadow your weights change every single time you swap gear. pawn and pawn strings dont benefit you as much as just simply running your weights, or any other tool on raidbots

simc addon goes with raidbots, would recommend that instead

kbab only goes once. that changed from the ptr where you could double tap it

[potent moth]

Hey guys, is the Mechagon Shield worth it? I mean is the effect any good?

[strong forum]

its the worst shield in the game

[mortal brook]

no, you will not see any uptime on it

but if its your highest ilvl shield, block value is block value

useless proc

[potent moth]

wow, srsly blizz why

thanks guys for the info

gonna scrap it now 😄

[mortal brook]

same reason mechadungeon has the worst trinket in bfa; cuz some designer doesnt actually play game

[potent moth]

well the yolo wheel is good in pvp

[mortal brook]

the plating one

yolo wheel is fine

[potent moth]

tank trinkets are shit true

[sweet summit]

If its your highest ilvl shield you still use it tho

[mortal brook]

^

[potent moth]

Already have a 465 shield

👍

[sweet summit]

[twin tree]

Hey, new here, but quick question - What corruption level do you guys run / feel comfortable at with M+s?

[left hatch]

most weeks 59

[sweet summit]

39 is like very safe to start off on

[left hatch]

if its a spicy affix of super high key that you're not 100% confident about 39

yeh

[strong forum]

39 is safe, 59 if youre comfortable in your abilties

[twin tree]

Okay, I've been running 0 corruption for most of the time

[mortal brook]

40~59 is comfort between you and your healer

[left hatch]

you're gimping yourself doing that

0-19 is entirely free

[mortal brook]

39 is low impact

[left hatch]

like actually 0 impact

[twin tree]

I've got a 50 Infinite Stars ring that I've been debating about equipping

[mortal brook]

hell, 25 is HoD activation

[sweet summit]

IS is the worst out of the damagr proc ones for m+, but still better than stats procs and stat$

[left hatch]

im not sure about better than stat procs in M+

its really bad in aoe

and you can pump with the haste or crit proc

[twin tree]

The only corruption affixes I have are VR, and Verse from all Sources and Haste from all sources

[sweet summit]

VR id say is good

[mortal brook]

should be able to sim for whatever combo

raidbots lets you set a corruption ceiling

[left hatch]

^ just set to 59 and go ham

[twin tree]

okay, I just redownloaded SimC addon

[mortal brook]

[left hatch]

though tbh unless you have a raidbots account you can hit the iteration cap REALLLLLLY fast with corruptions

hell you can hit it even with a premium account ):

[twin tree]

lol, good to know

[obtuse meadow]

what talent build should I do to go to visions?

[mortal brook]

treat it like tyrannical

[obtuse meadow]

how do we treat it like tyrannical ?

[strong forum]

focus on maximising ST dmg

[obtuse meadow]

a bit more detailed please

[strong forum]

cof major, cyclo blast trinket

thats about it

rest like usual

and TD is amazing

thats the crash course for visions

[obtuse meadow]

whats cof?

[sweet summit]

Crucible of Flame

[obtuse meadow]

and TD?

[strong forum]

twilight devastation