you can put a log and it will parse it but since downtime and different prio on stuff it won't fully
#protection
sullen valve
but you can analyze segments with time filtering to get a good idea of things
like just snip a boss
nimble brook
Gotcha thanks
sweet summit
Pro tip to get wowa to work in m+
Never leave combat. Chainpull until the last boss is dead
glass walrus
can you actually upload m+ logs to wowlogs so you can analyze your perf in wowa?
I don't raid much, but would really like to look at what i can do better -- like less SB overlap, etc.
tame garden
Yes you can log m+
glass walrus
i need to get one of those logger addons. I've tried to upload my combat log after doing dungeons before and it was telling me the logs were malformed.
@tame garden ty
warm plinth
Loggerhead is bae for auto logging. It asks you at the start of each dungeon if you want to log that specific content, and once you say yes it autologs that difficulty of that dungeon every time. Also make sure you have Advanced Combat Logging enabled in your in-game Network settings; otherwise you're going to miss a lot.
@wooden radish Those kitties are too freakin cute.
wooden radish
π
tame garden
glass walrus
@warm plinth ty your knowledge is delicious.
west galleon
o_o
warm plinth
Well then. I'm glad you find it so. π
tame garden
π
mild river
Noob question: does the hammer hit the tank on first boss in workshop? Or just the robot?
I mean not me the tank, but the one who throw flames around
sweet summit
Both
sweet summit
Dps players and the healer should bait the gnomercy4u into one of the hammers repetedly until its dead while you pull the tank dude to 3 and keep it away from the rest of the group til gnomercy is dead
When gnomercy is dead, pull the tank dude to the last hammer and he takes a big chunk for free
mild river
Thanks π
warm plinth
You can also pull the trash before the boss into a hammer and it 2 shots them lol
tame garden
Pinky your knowledge is delicious
strong forum
And here I have completed workshop 18 cuz it's free
But didn't know that
I'm ashamed
sweet summit
Workshop is so free you dont even have to do mechanics
fringe marten
So the way masks work; if I host a group and queue us in, am I able to turn on masks that other players don't have?
sweet summit
Yes
fringe marten
So now that we have a bunch of free vessels (we'll need ? what 2 or 4 next week?) We can offer carries with some masks enabled to players who may be struggling with visions and want to buy a clear/mementos with 'their' vessel?
strong forum
Yes
sweet summit
Yes
fringe marten
Right; so a new player who's just returning...they can just queue with us, we ruin the joint..and they get full credit?
fringe marten
Cool...i like being able to help returning buddies along; and also mercenary out some carries for monies~
strong forum
Haven't seen it anywhere
warm plinth
You have to tag the final boss of each objective for them to get credit
strong forum
Ah
warm plinth
Gallywix is selling up to 3 mask full clears
fringe marten
We all know full well how bad some players are, for whatever reason they may not be able to play well; Doing a full clear with a couple masks active for even a Corpse is well within a decent prot warriors grasp. So yeah...that's where some of my 8 extra vessels are going~
strong forum
I would assume
fringe marten
Plus if that corpse happens to have queued in as a healer, it'll ease the key up..er..vision~ lol that much more?
strong forum
For a +15 I get 100-120k per dungeon rn.
So I'd assume Vision would be like 200k+
fringe marten
Well the Vessel is a limited resource both parties have to have. Keys are unlimited to obtain but do have to be built up (if you don't have your 15+ starter key for the week) But you also need a group to carry the 'corpse' or weaker player. But a vision we literally put them in our backpack like yoda bro~
So the increased cost would be, because you're buying one of 'my' limited vessels.
warm plinth
3 mask clear is 500k right now
fringe marten
that's also what a 460 item?
warm plinth
Yeah
fringe marten
So they're getting that too.
What would I run? burned bridge, Daredevil, and the..one that spawns the critters under 50% sanity.
The double madness mask is 'easier' than daredevil but honestly makes me want to pull my eyeballs out.
That Fire hop madness...legit makes me foam at the mouth.
warm plinth
Daredevil is the double madness :p
rare bolt
fringe marten
No daredevil is 400% sanity damage right?
warm plinth
Leaden foot in orgrimmar is basically a non-issue
No, pained is the 400% sanity damage
warm plinth
Leaden foot really only matters even in SW on the mini boss and the boss of Mage District
It's easy in Old Town and the rest of mage district
fringe marten
BTW; probably wouldn't do it for 5 mask clears..or even a few masks BUT there's an old trinket that I used to run in worldquests, still do for funsies sometimes. Hunger of the pack; I had a mythic 15 one..which you can't get anymore I think? but honestly the 40 ilevels on a 220 ilevel item is irrelevant now.
fringe marten
Daredevil is the 400% sanity right? Pained is double affix. yeah.. it's ok; either way it's just semantics..we knew the mask we were talking about.
warm plinth
Is that the Legion one that gives you move speed on kill?
fringe marten
Yeah 30%..and it stacks on everything currently.
One of the very few old trinket abilities that still works.
warm plinth
I actually was wondering if bloodthorn loop would work
fringe marten
uhh? what was that?
warm plinth
The one from Draenor that uses 10% of your health to vanish and stealth you for like 10 seconds
warm plinth
It still works; I use it every time I level an alt
But not sure it works in visions (it doesn't in dungeons, but other shit that doesn't work in dungeons works in visions)
Yeah, it's from uh
A rare in that palewhatever mob cave near the alliance starting area
fringe marten
But it's a ring?
warm plinth
Yep
fringe marten
You just have to swap it; wait 30 sec and use it?
warm plinth
Yep
fringe marten
Hmm..sounds like a tool I should have in the belt. Will go get it.
On masked runs the hunger of the pack loses some value; because you begin to need the stronger gear..also because the fire hop bullshit takes movement speed into account. So you fly all over =\ But in worldquests or funsie content, or Non masked pure smash runs..or mythic 0 dungeons etc; it's amazing.
The Tincture of ? whatever? heals you 11k per killed mob..used to be cool but 11k of healing is trash now.
(alch trinket)
warm plinth
Yeah. I use gunshoes in visions sometimes too
fringe marten
Yeah I'm not a tinkerer.
warm plinth
Don't have to be. You can use them without engineering
Just buy them off the AH (or honestly it's way cheaper to buy the mats and have someone make them)
25 seconds of like 250% movespeed
tame garden
I bought gunshoes but then never ended up using any
warm plinth
Super good for pulling like all of Dwarven really quick
warm plinth
I don't know that I'd use them in Org. There really aren't any good places.
warm plinth
It's all pretty condensed and you can't really pull huge in Org (at least, not as huge as SW)
fringe marten
Also..people love to shit on the sporepod trinket, but I have a 465 and it's like 70k+ healing, it triggers while you're mounted (good for islands) and the damage scales into decent (still crappy by modern trinket standards) range when there's lots of targets around you. Also I love running it in warmode dailies.
warm plinth
I use lightfoot potions in Honor with gnasher food to skip everything but the minboss and the pack before Rexxar though
miniboss*
I don't like the left skip because you're in the out of bounds area too long and it gets sketchy for me
tame garden
O I just mount up and run it
warm plinth
I use one where you go ahead to the bridge and go around the water area
tame garden
Idk what that means but I just kill bear then rexxar
strong forum
Just... Run on the right side at Rexzar
fringe marten
Like nearly all trinkets the sporepod is a tool to have in the belt, and I think it's got some decent uses...not sure why people love to hate on it so much.
strong forum
Cuz it's rng
It's unreliable
When you need it it doesn't proc
When you don't need it it procs
fringe marten
Of course; but it's got a decent PPM rate...it's not locked to just like 1 ppm. Sometimes you can get solid successive procs...but yeah in any content where you have a healer it's totally wasteful.
strong forum
It does a shitton of overhealing
warm plinth
And it's really easy to kill
fringe marten
Exactly nom. Often procs when not needed..but as I said in pvp it's fun..and nice that it procs while mounted so you get to do free damage as you're making pulls on islands and such.
fringe marten
If you kit out for single target, all the elites are worth doing in masked solo visions. even 5 mask.
warm plinth
The miniboss doesn't headbutt
And you can avoid the only thing that stacks the stun poison on you
tame garden
Do u have to pull stuff to get to the miniboss
fringe marten
In fact I'd say required...that sanity is too good to pass up. You will not lose that much fighting any elite.
tame garden
Pog
warm plinth
And then I imagine you could heroic leap on the left and still skip the trash pack by Rexxar
tame garden
I'm not a warrior
fringe marten
Right nom.
warm plinth
You can probably stealth it then and go around to the right
tame garden
I'll check it out next time
fringe marten
(I know why people don't like it; but I think it has a weirdly overly bad reputation..makes some people think it's something they should never want to have in their bag)
warm plinth
the big bug in that pack sees stealth but you can just go out of bounds and skip it I'm pretty sure
tame garden
tame garden
1 expulsom
strong forum
It's nerfed, and World content doesn't count
tame garden
I've never needed healing while gathering an islands pull
strong forum
Ye for that you take edict / diamond
So you don't take dmg in the first place
For example
fringe marten
Dumping on a geared mage repeatedly..that keeps trying to grief me while I'm trying to solo the endboss of an invasion.. Gives me more enjoyment than clearing progression raid content.
strong forum
π€·ββοΈ you do you
I hate pointless World content, especially pointless World pvp
fringe marten
Speg it's not about the healing..it's about the free proc damage, sometimes the mobs peel off to hit the other players even mounted and I'm not entirely sure what's going on there~ so the free trigger damage can help that.
fringe marten
100% agree...I think PvP in literally any form has no place in an mmo, especially world pvp while 'questing' for a resource to do content. However..it's there~
strong forum
Competitive 2v2, 3v3 is amazing.
World pvp has nothing to do with actual pvp
Not to mention inefficient
fringe marten
You might think it's great; it's still inherently imbalanced because this is a class based RPG. It is not a purely skill based competition like a shooter where we are all the same 'platform' and have access to the same weapons. In PVP in an mmo we are different platforms, and those platforms are not balanced well.
strong forum
Na... I don't enjoy gangin up on people
Too easy
And it's NEVER a fair fight
So what's the point
strong forum
No skill involved, just numbers
tame garden
Or claim a rare for yourself
fringe marten
I don't either; in fact I never do...even if I quest in a group (very rare) I won't kill people. I respect the duel..and I don't gank. I think people who are out there ganking are cowards and are too afraid they are too weak to do it by themselves.
^^
strong forum
I help you kill rares faster so I can get my own
All about efficiency
Cuz world content is boring and I wanna end it quick
fringe marten
Same..I'll taunt a rare/elite/worldboss to help guys kill it; and I don't engage unless they beef with me; But if they beef with me..I'm kitted for pvp.
strong forum
Same
tame garden
If you're competing with me for world quest objectives I will kill you
fringe marten
For the first time ever I had some horde return the favor; was killing one of the early BFA world bosses? the ice guy? like 5 mins in some horde pallies showed up...and helped finish it with me.
And no..it's not efficient to fight a world boss for like 9 minutes solo...but I do it anyway.
strong forum
Well that's just being bored
tame garden
Nothing fills me with rage like a grey nameplate
fringe marten
^^ bored...doing it to do it~ etc.
tame garden
fringe marten
That's when the most fun stuff happens...Boosts all tank raid..etc.
strong forum
That's why I can't play single player games anymore
Literally unable to
Too boring
fringe marten
Cool, can't wait for you to be a complete hypocrite when Cyberpunk comes out later this year.
π
fringe marten
...ew
tame garden
Delirium league in 15 days
strong forum
I've never played elder scrolls or fallout
tame garden
fringe marten
? What is that Speg?
tame garden
Path of exile
strong forum
Ah that game with 2004 graphics
fringe marten
OH PoE, I played that at launch, then whatever league they did after they finally "finished" the game.
No man..if you like ARPG's PoE is outstanding.
tame garden
Poe is massively ahead of any other arpg
fringe marten
There's a korean one, looks super fun..hope they port it to the west.
tame garden
And I'm a long time diablo fanboy
strong forum
Not an arpg
fringe marten
Is that it? What's his name? the whiney paladin streamer?
He was desperate to play it so he made an account and vpn'd in to play it.
strong forum
Poe is so incredibly bloated with annoying visuals and no endgame
I will touch it maybe for 4.0
But before that... No thanks
fringe marten
His voice 'sounds' whiney, but largely it's his accent. ? What is his name?
strong forum
I know who you refer to, but I won't give you the name
sullen valve
Mwahi
fringe marten
LOL I'm literally searching Youtube for "wow paladin streamer diablo 4 info" because he had a big diablo 4 info dump from when he went to blizz con
fringe marten
Well it plays like an arpg, and looks like a fun one..really pretty.
strong forum
It's only imitating the view angle of arpgs
It's literally everything an mmo is, but with the viewing angle of arpg
That's all there is to it
Everything else is like an mmo
fringe marten
YUP..that's the guy, Quin69. Now he's playing Wolcen?
strong forum
Na he dropped wolcen
frigid rock
is into the fray a good talent to have if i have 14.63% haste without it?
tame garden
Wat
frigid rock
lol ok
tame garden
How does poe have no endgame
fringe marten
Always fun in skyforge..back to WoW dailies. These are SO much fun right? ...
strong forum
Poe is just 'how can I make my build work' that's it
Not my cup of tea
Not to mention potion spamming for buffs, then having 300000 buffs to make it work and literally everything is 1shot with 10000000 visuals
On top of absolute requirement of loot filters
Otherwise you're fucked
tame garden
:kekw: yeah I'll give you the loot filter point
Gotta hide 90% of loot or game will crash
strong forum
And youre forced to spend like 100β¬
Before you can actually play
F2P BTW
I'll wait for the visual overhaul
And test it again
Cuz everytime I try to play I have to puke
undone sun
Surprised you still play wow with that mentality
mild ore
BoM > ilvl when?
strong forum
when you get Pauldrons of Horned Horror
mild ore
oke amigo
strong forum
one of the few situations where ilvl doesnt win
Thyme cuz wow has a certain charm to it, nostalgia and actual gameplay flow
inland silo
the game definitely isnt free to play, but thats about the only thing i can agree with
you just macro flasks and a loot filter takes 5 seconds to set up
could almost compare loot filters to simming in wow
inland silo
also poe endgame is pretty insane
strong forum
its so dull
strong forum
ive watched alot of streams
ive seen alot of it
doesnt tickle my fancy
not a fan of this whole "try to make your random build work"
undone sun
not really the focus, you can and probably should follow an already established build
strong forum
obv, otherwise as a newbie youll spend insane amount of time being hella inefficient
and brick your character
undone sun
exactly what i did with my first
undone sun
i also lost interest early but also know it's not the game for me so i don't shit on it
π
strong forum
i feel compelled to shit on it cuz so many people fawn over it
undone sun
terrible mentality to have in life
undone sun
https://i.imgur.com/TW1jIb7.png Β―_(γ)_/Β―
west kayak
Do y'all think that 58 corruption is to high to run with?
left hatch
i think thats the part i don't like about POE, is its 100% not 'make your random build work'
fringe marten
One of my old guildies out of nowhere mentioned he had over 4000 hours on Warframe. Was playing with him for years and he never once mentioned that he obviously poured tons of time into this 'other' game.
left hatch
and unless you start lvl 1 with an established one
youll reach a point you kinda fuck yourself
and have wasted all that time nad need to restart
fringe marten
PoE has a handful of respec items right? But you can't get them infinitely per character?
west kayak
I have TD Rank 3 and the Rank 3 Haste proc. Would love to run both but concerned I will get obliterated. 470 ilvl.
undone sun
iirc you get free ones form quests but they are tradable
tame garden
You can fully respec
fringe marten
That haste proc is so solid; I have a rank 2 of it? I think it's 2...741 haste for 4 seconds? the uptime is very strong..someone got the rank 3, the 1200'ish haste one on a ring from a boss in heroic last night; I was so jelly.
tame garden
Just costs currency
left hatch
theres a finite amount of free ones
after that costs a fuckload
at least a fuckload for someone not hardcore enough to bother with shaper/full map stuff
fringe marten
For damage of course you can't beat TD but for Tanking+ a nice side of dps that haste corruption is incredible.
left hatch
and Grav thats what im running rn
this week is a smidge sketch at 58 corruption but
its still managable
west kayak
The Haste has about 34% uptime and TD just destroys. I want to run both but I dont think 58 is going to be ok for corruption.
left hatch
esp if you communicate with your healer
really depends on what key you're doing
beyond 15 58 might be yikes htis week
but up till then its free
fringe marten
Ran in a random Heroic pug last night; cotank was a prot warrior with the 460 BoE shield with Rank 3 Infinite stars; he said he tried to sell it for 3 mil (got it FIRST week) no one bought it..so he equipped it. and my GOD the amount of single target boss damage it does is busted; he wasn't that good of a warrior but the corruption was doing godlike work for him.
west kayak
I usually run TD and have the Haste in bags. Going to run a 5 Mask clear tonight and will be using TD since it makes quick work of adds.
fringe marten
Aside from the effects on the group..IE the size of your eye of corruption; remember you can spell reflect and dink the thing from beyond.. I think anything under 60 corruption is workable but of course you're putting huge strain on yourself; moving a ton..and that 68% slow is going to make you want to rip your face off.
left hatch
i don't notice the slow tbh
cause VoP procs
cleanse it so frequently
anytime i do have it on i can just intecept or leap
west kayak
Which Avator and VoP make nice work of though. Granted I run CoF Major/Cyclo for Visions.
fringe marten
Right; we all do single target stuff...but for keys probably Vision until you're doing some really cutting edge keys; then other considerations pop up; the prot warriors I see pushing over 20's generally run Lucid major; but I'm not concerned with pushing that high.
woeful mist
Can anyone tell me what the best defensive traits are for raiding and m+?
left hatch
3xBoM 1xDC
left hatch
and fill in the blanks with something else
woeful mist
Azerite traits
left hatch
MS, IF, BfI, HoD all good choices
woeful mist
on the chest helm and shoulders
left hatch
the important part is the 3xBoM and 1xDC tho
fringe marten
As anyone will say; check the pins. The work the guys put into icy veins is substantial..and accurate. However; optimally 3 Bastion of Might, 1 Deafening Crash, and then as many Brace for impacts, Lifespeeds, and Impassive visages as you can get. Of course you're going to use whatever your best options are for your inner ring tiers.
woeful mist
Thank you very much π
fringe marten
And for raiding specifically I would feel that resounding protection would be better than impassive visage. It's not numerically..but it is for preventing damage rather than eating it and deleting it~
warm plinth
The icy-veins guide is intended for survival-focused decisions. If you are wanting to go for a more offensive oriented playstyle, then there may be some differences from what the guide recommends.
fringe marten
For damage+Defense yeah, unstable flames might be better.. Does that work out for raid tanking for defense though?
left hatch
in raid tanking its probably VERY minorly worse
but OP is better anywhere
both for pumping and surviving
warm plinth
e.g. Lifespeed is far inferior to Overwhelming Power and Unstable Flames, but since they are procs, they're also inconsistent (and inconsistency is usually considered "worse" than something that is consistent like Lifespeed's static haste for survival).
fringe marten
Right, but his question was..raid tanking; IE 1 big baddie with magic damage mechanics... so Maximum block, maximum haste, maximum Damage prevention..is your goal.
fringe marten
Oh yeah..OP is always great if it's available. But I think it's not as available on many pieces? ? But yeah, Overwhelming power is great..I forgot honestly it shared that ring.
For whatever reason I keep thinking OP is a second ring trait..but it's a third ring..why it's so great.
I just don't have it available on the crappy pieces I have atm; I used to have 2 of it on my old suit...was super solid.
fringe marten
My first 480 helm didn't have BoM; I ended up scrapping it for another helm rando.
fringe marten
π¦ janked...yeah it is. But the helm I had was I believe one of the worst available; I need dem carapace shoulders~
lucid pendant
Nzoth helm > engi helm ππ
wind garden
Mythic sure
sick sentinel
Tbh I run the nzoth helm as well instead of engi
lucid pendant
Bom is big game, consider the uptime on avatar. Think it's like 2200 mastery when avatar is up for me.
sick sentinel
I wouldnβt go that much ilvl.
lucid pendant
15 too much probably
warm acorn
hey guys, which race are u using at the horde side and why?
warm acorn
π
near ivy
the one we find most aestheticly pleasing
near ivy
false 
tame garden
lucid pendant
I like the moose, think it has the best def traits too iirc
inland mesa
I ran a 17 last night with over 40 and it didn't seem that bad honestly, I was able to handle most TFB only one that got spicy was the final boss when the stupid bots backed us into a corner
celest portal
are BoE shields ridiculously expensive on anyone else's realm?
warm acorn
i see, also, how do u guys heal? i was reading the warrior stuff, but apparently there's one SMALL healing skill with a long cd, how do u guys do it?
undone sun
warr isn't a reactive tank, you don't focus on healing
you focus on proactive defenses to mitigate as much as possible before hand
warm acorn
but lets say you are soloing a group of mobs, if u keep ignore pain up all the time, u still take dmg right? how do u heal that? i m about to start it tho, thats why i am asking so many questions
undone sun
if you're truly soloing, you'll have victory rush procs
warm acorn
but what if the fight lasts a bit too long and u cant heal in time? i guess i need to try it for myself to have a better understanding
thick nimbus
what ilvl? questing or dailies you can chew through mobs fast enough to constantly get vr procs
warm acorn
the thing is, i am very used to prot paladin,and those sweet heals <.<
green hornet
seen alot of high m+ prots running lucid dreams major over VoP.. is it actually better now, is it used as a defensive for IP spam or something? im a bit confused over why it would be run over VoP now
warm acorn
so this is somehow a new world
thick nimbus
between shield block and ip you should take very little damage anyways that isn't magical
near ivy
@green hornet as well as allowing you to spam IP, it lets you get back to back avatars
which is important for really big pulls that last longer than the duration of 1 avatar
green hornet
so would you overall get more avatar usage over VoP or just better due to being able to decide when u get it?
near ivy
you would get less, but its at a more important time
green hornet
ill watch some play with it tonight when i get home, was just curious why the change now as opposed to say last tier
yeh fair enough
vapid ibex
whats ur guys go to major for necrotic? CnS, Sphere or just visions still?
ruby nexus
Vop, stun and leap usually sufficient for clearing stacks if needed
strong forum
Root on clap
but the root does not get applied if the target is slowed by 30% or more
ripe mason
So you can't have DK mass slow and then TC root them?
Thinking up a strategy for Hivemind
ripe mason
He can mass grip them but it doesn't mean anything if they just scatter again
ripe mason
So they stack if raid stacks?
ripe mason
Alright, thanks.
I was thinking we'd have a BDK mass grip them, and then have a Prot warrior perma root them to let DPS go to town
But I see that won't be necessary.
tame garden
Ye just have everyone stack, mass grip and blast
lucid parcel
Are the ingeneering googles any good for m+?
high sierra
how come when I do pugs and I get to 30 stacks
then I jump super far away
why nobody try to slow the big pack
daring marlin
yes
tired cove
is it worth macoring memory to anything ?
daring marlin
Use sphere
tired cove
gonna ssume no because of anger m
daring marlin
Sphere is your friend this week
high sierra
guess I got no choice
they just watch the pack come back to me without even trying to do some cc
I'm dying to see such bad players at 1700rio
just depleted a 12 WORK thanks to a 467 ilvl 1700rio dh who decided to stick to the box on kujo when targeted by explosive leap
3 wipes in a row
nimble brook
Lmao
left hatch
macroing lucid....
wat
lucid major is only good at like 20+
if you're making gigantic pulls around it
if you have to ask about macroing to something so its used on CD you 100% should not be using it over VoP
high sierra
been using VoP in 15s today, felt quite safe until the 20~ necro stacks
with really bad trinkets too
strong forum
Well... Yes, that's the recommended essence
Even at 30 stacks you should be relatively fine
autumn pendant
Necrotic affects shield from Ignore pain too right
warm plinth
Necrotic affects literally every source of healing or absorb in the game
left hatch
i don't think it impacts leech
at least it didn't in legion
so there might be a small loophole there
warm plinth
It does impact leech. It didn't back in Legion for a brief period.
high sierra
I'm gonna try with sphere it might be better to destack necrotic
still not r2 tho π’
warm plinth
Sphere what? Minor?
high sierra
yes
warm plinth
I think you're overthinking the affix tbh man. Like, play normally and if you drop to half HP and have 20+ stacks, shockwave, leap, kite a tiny bit then repeat.
tame garden
necrotic is rly no big deal for prot
stark scroll
If you're playing with people that aren't morons they'll see you needing to run and stun/vortex/ring of peace etc
warm plinth
Well first of all, Sphere R1 is literally all the Sphere you need
You get a slightly longer duration at Rank 2, and some Speed stat at R3
Which aren't really anything to speak of
Secondly, an essence really isn't going to be the difference between you surviving or not on necrotic week. You have to learn when you need to run away and when you can survive face-tanking.
If you need to run away at 20 stacks, run away at 20. If you can wait til 40 because you're not really taking damage, then wait til 40
hallow phoenix
On Warcraftlogs how do I see damage taken from multiple abilities? I'm trying to see our raid's damage taken from e.g. Acid Pools AND Acid Spray on the same graph/chart
undone sun
click the +
high sierra
got it, will try to look a bit more at the stacks
hallow phoenix
Thanks thyme
warm plinth
Not 100% sure what you're after Tusks, but you can click
undone sun
for that fight specifically
warm plinth
And then choose abilities in the top of the graph
undone sun
there's a mechanic tab that shows both of those
warm plinth
Click that and change it to "taken by ability" rather
undone sun
deep folio
guys should i run 3 overwhelming power?
lucid pendant
If you can sure
warm plinth
Don't sacrifice ilevel for it, but if you have it, then yes, absolutely.
lucid pendant
If you're sacrificing tons of ilvl to do it, then no
nimble brook
is dungeon slice sim decent for m+ or should I just stick to patchwerk
warm plinth
Don't sacrifice outer ring traits either
Dungeon slice is pretty bad. Stick to ST patch or multi-target patch
deep folio
ok great ty guys
queen bough
considering we have no reliable slow in our group, is it worth swapping out vision/lucid for sphere for the slow this week?
mortal brook
maybe as a minor, i wouldnt sac a major slot
queen bough
feels like i am missing out a lot if i do so, but then again it theoretically sounds perfect for this weeks affixes
west galleon
sphere's a pretty good minor most times
mortal brook
the major is kind of a crutch to your existing toolkit. in most cases youll be fine without it. but minor is a pretty lateral replacement to several other minors
if you want a snare in the group
could make arguments for like, cns major or even a meme major like ripple
at that point
queen bough
with cns major I'm assuming you constantly have to kite by small steps? is there any gameplay/videos I can take a look at?
don't see it often, most of videos and streams don't use cns major
left hatch
you don't need cns major
roll visions
and with sphere minor you don't even need to stun + leap
you can literally walk away
mortal brook
aye
wheat talon
30% snares overwrite thunderstruck's 1s root?
left hatch
yes
warm briar
for m+, is there a point where you stop getting haste?
im sitting at 44% haste, unsure if its too much lol
its with the 15% into the fray
left hatch
nope you can keep stacking
warm briar
same with vers?
left hatch
depends onthe content
there isn't a cap but
haste is better in 99% of situations
and in M+ crit is generally better as well
left hatch
if you have the corruption budget for it go for it
but its pretty meh
5ish% of your damage done for the key
rose furnace
These are my options
left hatch
lul ilvl all the way
final mist
Not even a question tbh
left hatch
also reasonably sure the crit proc > wrathion proc
rose furnace
I need an EV or TD for my tank set
Feels bad man in dungeons
to not top the charts as a tank
Moment of Glory vs Long strider, inner ring
potent anvil
Rally, it's huge for m+
rose furnace
wait nvm vex chest is better, I got both vex and raden chest drops tonight
gimmie dat heart of darkness + BoM
warm plinth
Rallywind
rose furnace
Unstable Flames Vs Lifespeed?
potent anvil
I personally like unstable, good uptime for crit. But either work, imo.
warm plinth
Yeah, I like UF as well.
plush prism
Random question, does anyone know what the 2 vs 3 team player limit is for Xanesh?
On heroic obviously
Like 2/2/6 will require two teams, but how many more can i add after that before it bumps to three?
wheat talon
does warcraftlogs not count spell reflect damage anywhere?
warm plinth
You have to look at the damage the boss did to itself.
fringe marten
Probably not worth it, but Does Null Dynamo major cure necrotic?
mortal brook
no its a bleed and null doesnt do bleeds
bitter venture
Just leveled my warr to try some tanking in keys. Then realized I have to grind all this essences again. Feels bad
ionic fern
That is indeed a feels bad.
sick sentinel
π€
ionic fern
They'll make them account wide later on since no new content is coming so they wanna give you something to do (play alts because essences are account wide!!!!!).
π
distant crystal
i just did the grind a bunch of times cause i'm a neckbeard
ionic fern
I only did it 2 times.
ionic fern
I only got BoTe x1 and CnS is still r2 i think.
π
The only "farm" i've done multiple times is the Lucid/null r3 ones.
Cba with others.
mortal brook
Whats the team name?
short blaze
lets hope they release Accountwide Essences with the Shadowland prepatch, unlimited Twinks
silver magnet
Guys, what would you pick here? Kind of confused... Other corruption I have is EV rank 3 ring
ebon hound
Echoing for ST and Breath for M+ is my preference
silver magnet
ty
silver magnet
max dps is my main goal
ebon hound
in m+ or raid?
silver magnet
raid mostly, I just do weekly
ionic fern
Sim yourself. π
silver magnet
planing to do keymaster this season so I would listen to ur advice about Breath for m+ and EV for raids
ebon hound
i had the breath corrupt and the same tier of EV, and i noticed breath would do about 10% of my overall and EV about 7%, nothing major, but I found the breath more enjoyable to play around with. As you can actually kind of control it
silver magnet
it sims about 2k less with breath
quick sim thing
maybe RL situatio is different
ebon hound
yeah, hence the multitarget vs singletarget is relevant
you can sim multitarget too, you know
silver magnet
didnt know it
mortal brook
Whichever one you think has the best looking ass
sick sentinel
dwarf is really good for m+ for alliance
if everyone is nelf in your group then you can use it for m+ aswell
belf is good because purge other then that difference is really minimal
i would ignore it
ok thx β€οΈ
last gazelle
Tauren for aoe stun though and more dmg
carmine wadi
Vulpera best
nimble cosmos
goblin for that haste
ionic fern
Gnome for pink hair.
mortal brook
dark iron dorf for that personality
dark helm
is void-twist any good for us a prot since the vers?
mortal brook
nah, you wont see any crit uptime so its budget is pretty wasted
dark helm
or am i better off using my 430 urchin with wrath trinket?
remote dawn
night11 best meld over all
ionic fern
@dark helm what ilvl is the void?
In general the haste one is the one that we wan't from Ra-den.
brittle owl
that's irelevant information
little shard
Guess I should focus on vers a bit more π
strong forum
Not really
little shard
No? I've been checking around and a lot of warriors run quite a lot of vers
strong forum
That's just how then end up
little shard
Yea, guess that just happens naturally, I am super low geared still
little shard
yea, I rolled this character a week ago, just equipped whatever was an ilevel upgrade tbh
strong forum
Yup that's how it goes with every tank
little shard
Well, that makes that a lot easier ;p
strong forum
Only at equal ilvl you can start prioritising stuff
little shard
Just so glad to be out of the simming every possible item twice world
strong forum
I recently joined it
Boy...
That's alot of simming
Especially if you gear for m+
little shard
yea, I even spend money so I could do it faster
strong forum
Was thinking bout doing the same but... Cba
little shard
I gotta say, simming and finding a weird item that just boosts your dps can be quite fun
strong forum
There is on simc
little shard
But most of the time you'll sim your mind off for 30 minutes ;p
strong forum
But raidbots is simpler
craggy harness
yeah, but then you have to comment out each line
yourself
lol
"THAT gear combo"
strong forum
Well that's from simc addon
I thought you could enter the combinations, then copy the string down below
craggy harness
maybe, it's probably a small addition to the parsing language
... significant complexity to test against
though
vs one per run
considering how simc sends new text to each tab
twice, before simming, if you follow the tab import process
little shard
Back in the day, feel like a boomer for saying that, you had to download simc onto ur pc and sim that way, it would eat your CPU performance heavily as well
Guess that's why people prefer to do it on a website ?
strong forum
Back in my day Sims weren't a thing
craggy harness
but the front end doing all the combinations for you is also a selling point
little shard
Anyhoo, like I said I've rerolled my warrior about a week ago, never tanked a day in my life because I felt so anxious about making mistakes, but I made the jump π€£
Still super nervous about making mistakes tho
craggy harness
Welcome to the club!
little shard
As a dps, when you make a mistake 5/10 times it's whatever the group survives, but as a tank, bwoah.. mistakes get noticed fast
You'
are also expected to know routes etc
craggy harness
yeah, for mythic+, there's more tension
little shard
Yea, I still dps during raids, just for M+ I want to tank
craggy harness
but i think part of it there is comfort, which also means finding a comfortable set of people
little shard
I am a main shadowpriest, which for M+ isn't great, so I decided to tank so I can push some raider.io
that
Ffs, I keep hitting enter on accident
That is a work in progress, I am getting together a couple of guildies to push keys with.
craggy harness
Cosplaying the pros " are you doing high keys "
"If no, then no"
Did I get it right?
stark ruin
why would you ever use conflict major?
sick sentinel
at the moment doing 19 keys
mortal brook
Any 30 percent plus smare overrides the root
sick sentinel
i ask as thats what the top keys are doing conflict major
mortal brook
Sphere minor would serve you just as well
sick sentinel
the 20+ keys
little shard
what ability does conflic major even give for prot
sick sentinel
roots
stark ruin
the 1 second root on tc
little shard
Oh, yikes
craggy harness
I'd guess time to kite and drop stacks
stark ruin
I would be surprised if that helped you actually
craggy harness
with the communication to ask their dps not to remove those roots with other cc
stark ruin
that root is 1 second, isn't it?
craggy harness
which is probably why its worthless on low keys
stark ruin
and you have to be within 8/12 yards to apply it
craggy harness
since you sohuldn't get that concerned for kite time to get to that point?
Dunno. That's my minimal understanding from what I've read
in chat. can't say I've applied it.
stark ruin
I'm by no means a high keys guy, but I have very hard time seeing a benefit in that
craggy harness
The different majors at 20+ comes down to actually needing an extra oh shit, or actual evening out of damage intake
stark ruin
especially since you can cc immune mobs with it
winged grail
So horrible that the best timed key is made with it https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-bfa-4/3353075-24-operation-mechagon-junkyard
But that's a junkyard where lightning does most of your damage
craggy harness
It's like general relativity vs quantum mechanics π
ionic fern
Yes, so horrible.
If a few people run it in a key as a "supportive" measure to help with the fixates doesn't make it good - it makes it extremely situational.
sick sentinel
it has nothing to do with the tanking ability of what it gives
literally they used it for one thing
shock bots scale majorly off vers
and haste
People need to stop looking at top players and thining it's for them
thinking
winged grail
Isn't it a good thing* to try to understand why top players do what they do? π€
sick sentinel
not necessarily
A) a lot of top players are doing things tailored to specific use cases that 99% of players do not have the skills or need to use and B) some can be out of touch with the way the class is generally played (i.e., stacking DC for more than just the lulz)
wooden radish
@warm plinth
exotic spoke
Thatβs adorable!
sick sentinel
I hate cats
wooden radish
but do you hate @ionic fern's cat
ionic fern
Awwww
mortal brook
I see your kitten and raise you a cat
drifting lotus
What are you guys rocking for weapon enchant?
I see your cat and raise you a GSD
tame garden
Force multi
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel what is your opinion on cat snakes then?
mortal brook
Cat snakes are great if you get one without strong musk glands
exotic spoke
mortal brook
Fuckin thieves tho. Lost 17 spoons. Never found em. Only spoons
exotic spoke
That one in particular, when he was older, was an escape artist and stole my Bose headphones from my desk
I got in bed one night and heard a thump. So I get up and turn on the light and heβs standing there frozen - looking at me. He got out of his playpen and knew he was in trouble - βshit I got caughtβ
mortal brook
The dang thing would take spoons drag them along a concrete floor at like 2 in the morning can you turn on the light because a fucking spoon is being dragged across a concrete floor and you turn on the light and there's no spoon like what the heck
mortal brook
Yes adorable little dumbasses
terse oasis
Is there an up to date M+ guide for prot warrior? I don't see one in pins
hallow phoenix
Icy veins has a section
terse oasis
Okay, wasn't certain if their stuff was actually correct or not. Thanks
scarlet fjord
question about lingering psychic shell. does its absorb go first before other absorbs?
carmine wadi
Nice you finished working want to go buy meal for the weekend and you recognize people bought everything empty lol
Fuckin corona
terse oasis
drak, it goes last iirc
raw turtle
how does lingering shell work inside nyalotha. does it absorb more or less? im confused by how they worded the tooltip
tame garden
Who isnt
terse oasis
it absorbs more, based on corruption resistence on your cape iirc
so base it's 80%, but could be as much as 130% DR (if it's additive and not multiplicitve, not certain but that's the most likely)
i was wrong
The damage reduction is also amplified via the passive effect Psychic Shell, up to a maximum of 95% based on your current Corruption Resistance equipped.
little shard
Is there some sort of cap on how much haste you want to get? i am at 34%, the gameplay feels insanely smooth, get avatar and last stand back nice and quickly
tame garden
Theres no attainable caps
exotic spoke
Yes there is a cap. No it is not attainable
defensively - more haste is more better
tame garden
If you feel like you're covered defensively you can sim to see if you have better options offensively
sick sentinel
Hi guys , how correct sim pwar for keys?
exotic spoke
You donβt really
Typically you go defensive and pull bigger.
Simming accurately for damage in M+ is incredibly difficult. Dungeon slice isnβt that good
tame garden
Its impossible
Every dungeon is different
Some are vastly different
The pulls in a workshop vs the pulls in a motherlode for example
hallow phoenix
I agree with Riki. If you are worried about how much damage your gear is giving you, just go more defensive and pull bigger. Your total group dps will go up
exotic spoke
Just make sure you can kick / control the mobs you pull
sick sentinel
i cant do full deff setupt cause in guide like just get 500000% haste and ez but
with 30% haste i just die like bitch
hallow phoenix
30% base haste is more than enough
drifting lotus
i enchanted my rings to crit because i figured > 30% haste was a lot
hallow phoenix
your total ilvl is what matters
exotic spoke
Like, what guide is saying to go that much haste?
hallow phoenix
People probably read ilvl > haste > whatever and skip the ilvl part
sick sentinel
i check alot hight m+ players and alot ppl use 22-24% haste
exotic spoke
Defensively that is not a break point you should care about
hallow phoenix
Do you have specific examples of you just dying?
tame garden
You should never die like a bitch
hallow phoenix
Usually straight up getting murdered is a rotational issue
tame garden
Press your defensives
exotic spoke
30% haste is a good amount of haste as well
left hatch
the situations where a verse enchant will save you over haste is astronomically unlikely to happen
drifting lotus
i've not sacrificed ilvl for anything except corruption - but i'm not going to gem/enchant for haste anymore - unless i get different pieces where i lose my haste. when everything procs it already feels like i can't press shit fast enough
hallow phoenix
you really should gem/enchant haste tho
exotic spoke
Itβs feelycraft Trekkie and an evaluation of what you and your group needs
drifting lotus
:huh:?
exotic spoke
Not really tusks. Once you know what youβre doing - sometimes other choice are better
tame garden
Eh they have plenty of haste they can go for more dps if they want
exotic spoke
Iβm saying I agree with you trekie
left hatch
end of the day what you gem/chant is such a low impact
hallow phoenix
Feel like the only two gems worth a damn are haste and crit
exotic spoke
You decided you needed more dps so you went crit - and thatβs fine.
drifting lotus
unless you have 11 gems... π
tame garden
Damn you
left hatch
even then itll give less than 10% verse
tame garden
I have so few sockets atm
exotic spoke
Itβs feelycraft (not theorycraft) because you felt you needed more dps
rose furnace
I once got so many haste procs with avatar up that TClap was on the GCD every time I could press it
It felt amazing
left hatch
but if you have damage proc corruptions verse is pretty juicy for dps too
exotic spoke
Same with haste from what I hear.
left hatch
i still prefer haste tho, zoom zoom feels so nice
drifting lotus
i don't have 11 gems... yet - but eventually all gear that can be gem'd will be... will be a good time to be alive
left hatch
and higher uptime in ava is never a bad thing
exotic spoke
TD proc rate allegedly based on haste
hallow phoenix
The proc chance of TD is 1ppm+haste i believe
only stat that doesnt affect corruptions is mastery
hallow phoenix
mastery gives them health yeah?
tame garden
Yep
hallow phoenix
spoopy
exotic spoke
Mastery should give us more health too
Avatar then would be god tier π
More god tier*
tame garden
Ya buff prot
hallow phoenix
^
tame garden
Underperforming spec
left hatch
that too op
potent anvil
Haste does more than lower GCD. More IP, shield block, anger management CDR, etc. Sorry late to discussion. 
left hatch
just have BoM increase health based on mastery whiel in ava
exotic spoke
Underperforming in some metrics sure
left hatch
thats balanced right?
exotic spoke
Hi deswind and yeah, itβs why defensively haste is always good
modest thistle
More haste= more things
hallow phoenix
more haste = more haste?
naive panther
finally got a 465 shield, ML spam paid off
exotic spoke
Grats man
hallow phoenix
I need to go spam temple for the shield
rose furnace
TD feels completely random, some pulls I'll get two procs back to back and other's I'll get none
exotic spoke
I think ML is the better shield
naive panther
I love TD, only have rank 1
exotic spoke
Itβs haste crit yeah?
hallow phoenix
for raids the temple one is better for me
naive panther
but i want like as many tds as i can get
hallow phoenix
for m+ i'd agree haste crit is better
exotic spoke
Fair if youβre talking dps. I just want a 475 shield. I despise this raid for where itβs shield drops are
naive panther
haste crit on ml shield, haste heavy
hallow phoenix
Really dumb theres only one shield in the raid
exotic spoke
Yeah thatβs what I thought
left hatch
even in raid crit sims higher and nothing is scary at our level of prog
exotic spoke
Two tusks
left hatch
so is what it is
exotic spoke
BoE shield and ilgy
hallow phoenix
not true @left hatch
left hatch
crit sims higher for me*
exotic spoke
But fuck if Iβll ever see a BoE shield that I didnβt buy from the AH
hallow phoenix
stat weights are different for everyone
sick sentinel
but how much haste it was "cap" cause now i got 30% and feel like my buttons cds less then i tab on buttons
exotic spoke
@sick sentinel there is not an attainable cap defensively
sick sentinel
Not when u live in syberia and got 150 ping =/
hallow phoenix
I was gonna say make sure your queue...time...thingy isnt set too low
left hatch
its a little 4head but i mash my TClap or SS when GCD is rolling and ik ill cast it next
hallow phoenix
/dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow")
Anything below 250 is too low imo
Mine's set to 400 i believe
hallow phoenix
higher window helps offset higher latency
especially if trying to respond to a ss proc
strong forum
Ye
sick sentinel
I love swirling sands and gores
with all crit stuff
50% parry
about 35% uptime
I drop stacks so often
hallow phoenix
still havent gotten a gore block yet
sick sentinel
yes
azure magnet
Is Siphoner corruption any good for us?
sick sentinel
not really
tame garden
Good for raid healers thats about it
azure magnet
those people dont matter
tame garden
π
strong forum
Full crit stack when
Is that even a thing
%crit gain corruption
I don't think so
hallow phoenix
pretty sure some people do it in m+
sick sentinel
yes people do it in m+
strong forum
That I know
sick sentinel
It's even bigger for necrotic
strong forum
But like, committing to crit 100%
sick sentinel
strong forum
Everybody has 3% dodge
strong forum
Only leather tanks can dodge
hallow phoenix
wind something
jolly thistle
and nightelf
sick sentinel
necrotic what?
hallow phoenix
see
sick sentinel
Didn't even notice it was here π€§
Can't get above 82% parry
I'm crit'ed out
3 swirling sands when?
sick sentinel
I don't have a single UF nor momentum
sick sentinel
why would I do that
sick sentinel
100% parry isn't a thing tho
strong forum
Well if only 61% crit is 82% parry
undone sun
what are diminishing returns
sick sentinel
^
undone sun
parry DRs heavily
exotic spoke
Answer: the daily double!
sick sentinel
It gets reduced dramatically
tame garden
100% dodge bear the dream
exotic spoke
Itβs almost as if they donβt want tanks to take zero physical damage during a fight
sick sentinel
the highest parry I can get without Rav is 50%