protection

[craggy harness]

a/s/l

[fringe marten]

Some people talk about running CnS major during necrotic week; does it cure debuffs or something I'm not aware of?

Or does it allow Thunderstruck to work in dungeons?

[mortal brook]

just activates the root TC talent

for all content

[fringe marten]

Right; so you gain the ability to root a pack of mobs in dungeons..neat; never tried running it.

[exotic spoke]

It’s not really necessary at all unless you’re doing very high keys

[fringe marten]

Same with Lucid dreams major; it's neat to have a little self sustain window but not really needed until you're doing cutting edge content.

[exotic spoke]

Yes. Vision is fine for the vast majority of keys and players

[fringe marten]

Yeah; on that first good push week I was looking at Yodawarr and some other folks and saw that Lucid dreams build; I tried it and realized it was just a DPS loss for the content I was doing. Still cool to have a little leech self heal window.

Might be a tiny bit useful for shadow of zul maybe too? Ignore pain is not even a shadow of what it once was..but still helpful. That 100% increase raged gen would have been amazing back in Legion/Old school Ignore pain days.

Even up to an 18 I never fealt strained last week, except against things I knew were going to be difficult. Sometimes you learn new stuff though.. the 17 fortified Underrot wasn't tough at all; however I never realized that first priestess's bloodbolt was not to be trifled with. I'm holding pummel for Gift of Ghunn or Dark Recon..and I'm like "why am I getting mega trucked right now...?"

..also when I learned not to pull the matron with those LOL.

[bold portal]

are there pre-designated method dungeon tool routes for week to week basis? trying to learn 10+ tanking but not sure what I should skip with spires and what i shouldn't.

[warm plinth]

are there pre-designated method dungeon tool routes for week to week basis? trying to learn 10+ tanking but not sure what I should skip with spires and what i shouldn't.
@bold portal Dratnos has been posting his weekly routes on raider.io again; I'd check there.

[left hatch]

if you wanna run CnS major keep in mind that any slow >=30% will overwrite the root

so if you ahve a fury war, frost mage or are running sphere (which has high value in itself this week for the same reason CnS major does) you'll never root anything

[junior ivy]

i think im getting a dog

!!

[hallow phoenix]

catfriend

[junior ivy]

iknow

[hallow phoenix]

dog

[junior ivy]

i knoww

[hallow phoenix]

[junior ivy]

i gotta work on gettin bf to agree to a cat

hesnot a cat person

but he doeslove dogs

beggers cnat be choosers

ill take a dog for now

[hallow phoenix]

once you get a dog it will be easy to convince to cat

cats are zero maintenance

[junior ivy]

yup

i want a golden retriever

he wants a german shepherd

we are both stubborn

😦

[craggy harness]

Golden shepherd's are a thing

😛

[spare cove]

is selling boes on here allowed? i have a 475 shield w/ infinite 2 on zuljin

[warm plinth]

Uh

I have no idea. But kinda sounds like it'd be better placed in #promotion maybe?

[spare cove]

good thinkin.

[junior ivy]

@craggy harness lol tbh thatd be perfect

but they seem hard to find

[craggy harness]

not 100% sure, but i'm guessing getting exactly a kind of breed is one of those cost/reward things

[undone sun]

@junior ivy what kind of dog

Oh, golden or Shepard
Both good picks

I've had Golden's all my life

[tired cove]

@stark ruin @warm plinth thanks for the tips guys was able to kill 4 bosses in visionz still dont know the perfect route yet

[left hatch]

in org i generally go wisdom->spirits->drag->honor

[tired cove]

i don't think i ever payed attetion to the bosses names, but i always go left first

[near ivy]

its not the bosses

its the parts of the city

[tired cove]

oh

[sullen valve]

@warm plinth have you tried using wowA. 100% will tell you how to get better

[warm plinth]

Probably will. I will use on my DH

[inland mesa]

the dream is real now boys, TD 1 ring, TD 2 ring, TD 1 shield 😄

[warm plinth]

Nice

[inland mesa]

how much corruption resistance is next week on cloak, another 7?

[warm plinth]

0

[inland mesa]

😦

I'm at 48 with it on lol

[warm plinth]

Just ilevel and 5% sanity loss reduction next week

Then week after is 8

And that's it until after 15

[inland mesa]

boo

[vestal edge]

yall dont think this is worth not cleansing do u

[warm plinth]

Cleanse if you have better options; if you don't, might as well use it

[vestal edge]

yeah i mean i have infinite stars and twilight devs out the ass

yall dont think thats better than 3 percent crit extra damage right

bc thats the only corruption i see it competing with

[warm plinth]

How much vers does it give you?

[vestal edge]

like 3 percent or something

[warm plinth]

Seems like that'd be better than 3% crit damage to me but idk

[vestal edge]

ill sim

[vestal edge]

the verse actually does sim higher

[warm plinth]

[vestal edge]

Do yall reckon i should change all my ring ench and gems to verse too then?

[warm plinth]

What are you simming?

[vestal edge]

the gloves above

for patchwerk

[warm plinth]

Are you trying for raid DPS?

[vestal edge]

ye

[tame garden]

then you can just sim for gems and enchants

[lucid pendant]

Would it be crazy to drop 5 ilvls (engi helm) for nZoth helm?

[plush prism]

hey, do you all think you could do 5 mask full clears without having the Cyclotron Blast

I have the rank 4 crucible and an infinite stars

have gift and 11 cloak

[brazen lion]

Filthy Transfusion or Iron Fortress?

[mortal brook]

FT is pretty stronk

[plush prism]

2x fortress

[brazen lion]

I currently have a 445 Shield so im thing IF would be better?

[mortal brook]

yes you should be able to do 5 mask full at this level of reduc

with a shield that low yeah IF would have high value

[plush prism]

ive never tried any masks before, kinda wanna yolo and try it haha

[mortal brook]

its more than doable

get some nice ilvl gear weekly

[left hatch]

never tried any mask but wants to go for a 5 mask 🤔

bold

[plush prism]

id give it more shots if vessels werent limited

[left hatch]

but my monies on not even clearing 1 area

[mortal brook]

we get wayyyyyyyyy more vessels than we need runs.

ive probably busted out like 20 funruns since patch

[left hatch]

esp with new change

you can easily get 5+ runs a week

[plush prism]

what's the new change?

[mortal brook]

5 isnt even sweaty. that's just non-wm dailies

[left hatch]

50% (i think its 50) more currency from dailies, bonus currency with each assault

[mortal brook]

30

and then 4500 over week from assault completion

[left hatch]

but yah even ignoring how brutal 2 of the masks are

thats a 125% damage and health increase

difference is night and day

[mortal brook]

if research is done its little issue

[left hatch]

right but going in blind from 0 masks to 5

[mortal brook]

dont eat the sanity hits np

[plush prism]

yeah i mean ive watched tons of videos, i have all the right talents and i have gift

[mortal brook]

you still gotta collect the masks then

[left hatch]

out of curiosity why havn't you done any other runs with masks

[plush prism]

i didn't pay much attention to the visions, just did what i had to do to rank the cloak haha, but i clear two zones easily and basically dont have to orb

[left hatch]

yah do'nt wanna burst your bubble but

[plush prism]

for some reason i thought you could only get like 445 loot

[left hatch]

you wont be able to clear 1 zone

[mortal brook]

nah i believe in him

[onyx vessel]

I wont

[mortal brook]

if he's collected the masks

[onyx vessel]

What does doing mask runs get you

[mortal brook]

more mementos

[left hatch]

better loot if you full clear and a bunch more mementos

[mortal brook]

higher ilvl gear

[onyx vessel]

Useless

[mortal brook]

470 loots

[left hatch]

sockets arn't useless but ok

[drifting lotus]

finished my first full clear - no gift and rank 10 cloak

[mortal brook]

gettin my 3rd socket tomorrow

[left hatch]

noice

[onyx vessel]

Well done dont bash ppl who arent tryhard

[mortal brook]

you're the one bashing tbh

[left hatch]

wat

[mortal brook]

like what

[left hatch]

saying sockets arn't useless isn't bashing

its a statement of fact

you can play how you want with no judgements

[drifting lotus]

trick for me - pull bigger because my sanity was draining so fast

[left hatch]

be careful of that esp in drag

them suppresion bois can getcha

[mortal brook]

focus dominators, watch for touch cast

[onyx vessel]

Ive died to 2 of them

F

[drifting lotus]

yeah, i make sure to finish them off first

[left hatch]

and entirety of valley of honor is yikes

spirits you can clear in like 2 pulls though

[mortal brook]

can game Gift timing as well

[left hatch]

don't you kinda need to

to solo 5clear

havn't done it so idk but

[onyx vessel]

Curious you can socket azurite?

[left hatch]

nah

[mortal brook]

no

[onyx vessel]

F

[drifting lotus]

nope

[mortal brook]

nor the cloak itself

[left hatch]

neck, and azerite and cloak can't be socketed

[drifting lotus]

or trinkets?

[left hatch]

trinkets can

[mortal brook]

trinkets can be socket

[drifting lotus]

stupid brother

he's such an idiot

[onyx vessel]

Well then i dont need shit socketed

Lol

[left hatch]

yeh fuck your brother

what a dummy

[onyx vessel]

Incest

[drifting lotus]

https://giphy.com/gifs/oh-edition-maIEBUU5OmrMA

how many mementos can you get with 5 mask clear (assuming you get all chests too)

[left hatch]

wowheads estimate is really low

no masks i get between 2k-3krange

[drifting lotus]

i get about 2k with no masks - 3k with 1

[left hatch]

theres big value to be had if you find the orange crystals

6 of them with just 1 mask gave me an extra 400 chest

[drifting lotus]

you're starting to sound like my brother...

:snap:

[left hatch]

in what way?

[drifting lotus]

j/k

[sharp lotus]

Bloodrite vs Ironfortress? I dont see bloodrite ranked on icyveins azerite page, and I cant find any recent discussions for my question.

[left hatch]

IF most likely

if you have a good (470+) shield bloodrite

[sharp lotus]

I do not, I just returned to the game after a year break.

[left hatch]

IF all the way

[sharp lotus]

great thanks

[mortal brook]

4500ish for a 5 mask full

mementos

[left hatch]

is that killing everything or with skips tho

[mortal brook]

everything

[left hatch]

mmmk

[mortal brook]

2200ish from mobs and 2300 from chests

[left hatch]

including a fully stacked ethereal chest too?

cause seems a smidge low on the cehst contribution but only done 3mask full clears

[mortal brook]

ah might be more from that, forgot

[left hatch]

it can get larger than a 3rd zone chest if you get enough

so thats an extra ~500 ez

[mortal brook]

5k then with

[warm plinth]

Ethereal chest?

[left hatch]

yah the ethereal in one 1

wants you to find orange crystals

zone 1*

[mortal brook]

has the handynotes put out crystal locations yet?

[warm plinth]

Oh, that ethereal

[left hatch]

nope ):

[warm plinth]

He gives you more mementos?

[mortal brook]

aye

[left hatch]

yah he gives you an extra chest based on how many crystals

[warm plinth]

Interesting

[left hatch]

its hard to count but i think most we had was 8 in a scuffed stormwind run

found 6 easily today in org

[mortal brook]

i gotta pay more attention to it

[warm plinth]

You run as a group?

[left hatch]

yah iv been going in a group as prot

so i only pay attention to some of thw spawns as healer gets them

[mortal brook]

been finishing with 3 orbs. def have time to take a lap lookin for em

[bright jolt]

how much corruption would yall run in m+ (15's and higher)

[left hatch]

39 if you're nomt used to TFB, 59 if you are

[mortal brook]

that's a comfort level between you and your healer. up to 59 can be little impact if managed well

[bright jolt]

ok ty

[warm plinth]

Finishing what with 3 orbs

[mortal brook]

yeah

the cloak reduc is big. kbab/pots/elite kills get me the whole way now

[warm plinth]

Doing what though?

[left hatch]

what # of masks is what he asking

[mortal brook]

5 mask full

[warm plinth]

^

Gotcha

[polar cloak]

what essences should prot wars be using

[drifting lotus]

!essences

[oblique garnet]

Dont play with above 40 corruption this week imo necrotic makes you like monks and you will trigger tfb left and right

[warm plinth]

Vision major, C&S/Lucid/Sphere/Aegis/Formless/Warden minors (in roughly that order) for M+. Idk what people are using for raids because well, it's raids.

[drifting lotus]

last 2 bosses in ML - use null

[mortal brook]

cof major raids, generally

[drifting lotus]

can i use crucible of flames for raid you think? i don't have cof

[mortal brook]

get cof then lol. all you need is like, neck lvl 55

[drifting lotus]

🤔

[mortal brook]

quests are in the heart chamber

[drifting lotus]

lol

[warm plinth]

I think level 60 is R3

Just have to do the quests

[mortal brook]

r4 70

[sick current]

hey guys

My buddy has 59 corruption and its near impossible to heal him through m+11

should he not be running that as a prot

[left hatch]

near impossible to heal him seems like issues way outside TFB

59 is fine if he can handle using SR or a stun to remove the mechanic

esp in as low as an 11

TFB will do max 36% of his health so, theres way more things going wrong

[sharp lotus]

doesnt TFB root?

[left hatch]

nope

[ionic fern]

Grasping Tendrils slows tho.

[warm plinth]

At 60, being hit by it will cause you to get eye/slowed instantly

That's why you don't run 60

[sharp lotus]

maybe just necrotic then?

[ionic fern]

Run 60+ corruptions in raids to help your healers parse.

[sick sentinel]

Well

Its pretty easy though

[remote dawn]

how much corruption run you guys in M+ ?

[sick sentinel]

You can spell reflect the thing from beyond

@remote dawn 39-20

[ionic fern]

48 or something for me

[remote dawn]

kk

[sick sentinel]

For this week, i do under 40

[ruby nexus]

Or just run cns major and kite it like other mobs with necro

[ionic fern]

Please stop advertising CnS major for "necrotic kiting". Thank you.
There are plenty of more effective ways to kiting mobs than studder stepping and Clapping while hopeing no one puts a stronger than 30% slow on the enemies.

[hallow phoenix]

its all bout that ripple in space major to kite

:^)

[sick sentinel]

CnS major is for betas

[ruby nexus]

need to try that space major kiting, don't think i ever had it slotted

sounds like 200iq play

[hallow phoenix]

lmao

[ionic fern]

[onyx vessel]

Get a monk in your group

Whats nercotic

Mwahi destroyer of bad memes

[brittle owl]

i sensed necrotic memes

and i came to bring you

bis necrotic talent

[hallow phoenix]

You guys ever get the Mr. Munchykins trinket?

[hushed creek]

twilight devastation stacks ? I mean 2x 12% = 24? or its still 12 just procs often ?

[hallow phoenix]

same proc rate, 24%

[ebon hound]

24

[hushed creek]

Jesus ,thats so strong

[hallow phoenix]

yes

most of the top prot parses use TD_4+

big damage

[carmine wadi]

I got TD2 on my weekly chest but on mechagon Bracers 😭

[ionic fern]

Still worth it.

[carmine wadi]

Okay didn't know how bad it's that secondaries are missing

[ionic fern]

TD is worth wayyyyyyyyy more.

Like stupid amounts more.

[carmine wadi]

Should have opened as dps spec so I would have gotten other bracers

[ionic fern]

👀

This is ilvl 475 bracers with no TD vs ilvl 4 bracers with r2 TD.

And this is the same in AoE.

So just be super happy you got TD on bracers.

[hallow phoenix]

Still waiting for the day I get rank 3 TD

Is that correct when you said ilvl 4

As in, four

004

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[oblique garnet]

[hallow phoenix]

Nice

[marble cipher]

we want people to not be puzzled by the choice if ilvl is an upgrade or not

• Ion

[ionic fern]

👍

[sharp night]

with TD they technically accomplished that.. just backwards

monkey's paw style

[marble cipher]

haha

I'm running a 410 ring with TD3, not too sad, since it's rings I don't lose "that" much stats from it

[hallow phoenix]

Got hivemind down tonight and dog to 13% or so

Dog is funny because we just have our BrM tank full time and I intercept crush stacks

[marble cipher]

That's one way of doing it 😄

So you just intercept every time crush is "cast"?

[ionic fern]

Jep.

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah working out great so far

[civic holly]

boys boys boys, how are you!?
curious question, im about to do a bunch of my visions that ive been too lazy to run, im main spec tank but not half bad as fury, whats easier to run as after the nerfs

[ionic fern]

I've always felt that Protection has been easy with CoF/Cyclo.

[brittle owl]

prot's fine, and has been fine even before the nerfs

[ionic fern]

Never tried fury tho.

[brittle owl]

fury is prob faster

you just have to chainpull 4-5 mobs

with prot you can pull bigger

[ionic fern]

Just pull 1 whole area as Prot/LoS and nuke them down and go Fury for ST fights.

👍

[brittle owl]

BotE + arms bladestorm doe 👀

[hallow phoenix]

Don't forget your 3x LoW

[brittle owl]

i'd stack gathering storm for that type of meme

[hallow phoenix]

Why not both

That's the setup for lower keys already

[ebon hound]

remember avatar and dbts for full meme. go afk for 3 minutes and repeat

[strong forum]

Yesterday I got gift +rank 11 cloak and can now easily full clear 4 mask solo as tank

It's ridiculously easy

[jolly thistle]

Yeah this week is easy

[sick sentinel]

except magetower i actualy think stormwind is easier

[brittle owl]

no chance, alleria is giga annoying

and every ability she gets only makes it so you have even more downtime on her

and also mage quarter can go fuck itself

[stuck wolf]

Yo friends, I'm a melee brain going prot for m+, anyone know if there's anywhere I can find comprehensive breakdowns of the dungeons/what to fear/etc?

[brittle owl]

there's a spreadhseet with reflectable stuff

in the faq

"what to fear" has no reasonable answer

that's up to you and your group to decide how to plan CC's

[solemn kelp]

What would be the best 20k TR Azerite Armor to buy from the vendor for prot war?

[marble cipher]

Would depend on what you currently wear I'd say

[solemn kelp]

I'm talking blank slate, buy 3 pieces.

[marble cipher]

Chest for stats then I'd say

Ashvane I would assume, for BoM and Meticulous

[solemn kelp]

Meti over BFI?

[marble cipher]

I would got meti, but that's me only doing M+
And BfI is very good too, so maybe a 'true' prot warrior can answer that better 😜

[solemn kelp]

yeah fair enough 🙂

let's ignore K values and block for now

[brittle owl]

you ignore k value anyway as a warr

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

just get a high ilvl shield and boom

k value is irelevant

[solemn kelp]

aight

Which piece DC?

better put, which piece to buy for Deafening Crash?

or pieces

Looking at head Sea Brawler's Greathelm, but Helm of Abyssal Malevolence looks tasty also

[marble cipher]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=159430/helm-of-abyssal-malevolence&bonus=4817:1512&azerite-powers=1

[strong forum]

Technically helmet

Abyssal and sea Brawler are best vendor pieces

[solemn kelp]

(i don't have 60k TR to blow yet btw, does anyone?, just wishing)

[marble cipher]

Nah, I'm at 12 or 13k or something atm

[solemn kelp]

yeh 11k here

[strong forum]

It's 20k for specific, and raid pieces are better

Assuming you can get mythic ofc

[marble cipher]

I don't raid mythic, so I'm saving up

[solemn kelp]

raid pieces might as well be ponies for me atm 😄

[marble cipher]

Using carapace and N'zoth pieces atm from hc, so first buy would be chest for me

[strong forum]

In running 480 engi, 465 skitra shoulders and 465 vex chest

Does the trick for now

I do have 475 mechagon chest but that's for arms

[solemn kelp]

So, specific shoulders is the tricky one for me.

[fervent helm]

Vita-Charged Titanshard (460) vs Rezan´s Gleaming Eye(465) whats better?

[tropic oriole]

I see couple of high key prot warriors going for vers instead of haste. This is probably only for 20+ keys?

[strong forum]

Yes

You get fucking trucked in high keys

[tropic oriole]

Ok, thx

[brittle owl]

all tanks would switch to stacking vers and vers% increases if they could

depending on corr budget you'd throw in a td as well

[tropic oriole]

What do you mean by "if they could"?

[marble cipher]

corruption level

(I guess)

[brittle owl]

and rng drops

[marble cipher]

and that

[brittle owl]

can't reliably loot %vers increase

[fervent helm]

i have 200 vers haha

[tropic oriole]

Ok, but socketing for example or enchanting

[brittle owl]

doesn't matter, the main draw is the %vers increase corruption

[marble cipher]

I'm tempted to buy a 475 shield from AH, it has the vers % corruption on it, maaaybe holding out one more weekly chest before I decide, cause it's a lot of gold 😄

[brittle owl]

you could realistically get 30% dr from vers if you stack the %increases and go full vers on gear

just need giga luck

[tropic oriole]

I have this vers increase but simming suggested I should drop it :)

[brittle owl]

i mean

try it out

[marble cipher]

I think Andybrew has a setup like that, with the vers% and the other vers corruptions

Brewmaster obv, but still

[brittle owl]

see how much you gain like that

it's class agnostic

[marble cipher]

yeah

[brittle owl]

anyone would drool over 20-30% passive dr

[marble cipher]

and increased absorbs due to vers too if I'm not mistaken

[brittle owl]

esp since vers also increases your damage, damage from trinkets, all other rando dmg procs including corruption

absorbs are healing so yes

[marble cipher]

yet, the vers stacking thing doesn't seem worth it on like 15-17 keys imo, at least not compared to some TD's

[tropic oriole]

But there is not rule like "haste is out, vers is in" ?

[marble cipher]

No

Haste will never be out 😄

[tropic oriole]

Got it :)

[brittle owl]

in a perfect world

you'd have a max rank TD, full vers% corruptions and haste/vers gear

[marble cipher]

haha

[tropic oriole]

Yeah

:D

[marble cipher]

and what about crit "in that perfect world"?

No parrys?! 😄

[brittle owl]

can't parry spells fam

[marble cipher]

🤣

true

[brittle owl]

also not so sure about the TD part in the 'perfect world' setting

maybe just go crit/vers with %vers increase and %crit increase

👀

the memes are endless

don't need shieldblock if you parry 50% of attacks and the other 50% you take em with perma sac up

[craggy harness]

stares at sim I will not use my calculator with cyclo in raid with briny barnacle just because it says so.

[tropic oriole]

Is there a TD nerf on the horizon?

[brittle owl]

nah

at the moment

[craggy harness]

At least I"ll use wrath trinket over briny :/

[brittle owl]

or you could like

stack mastery and always critblock 👀

so much stupid shit you could do with access to every corruption freely

[carmine wadi]

@ionic fern ok that's crazy so I'm gonna wear them and bind the on use to an ability or is the ability of the Mechagon Bracers on gcd?

[fleet axle]

Why isn't mastery the worst stat ? I mean we don't really need block chance since we're already on 100% block most of the time and the AP gain compared to versa/crit seems meh

[marble cipher]

@carmine wadi I'm wearing them and macro'd it to thunderclap

[undone sun]

mastery increases chance to crit block

[brittle owl]

more mastery means a higher chance at crit blocking

[marble cipher]

the 465's simmed better than 465's with stats I had, so, just using them for now

[brittle owl]

crit blocking is the reason you wanna stack 3x BoM's

[undone sun]

Mastery % is crit blocks chance when you have SB/LS up
Mastery % is the chance to block without SB/LS up

it's also not bad for damage

[brittle owl]

BoM is one of the reasons avatar is such a retardedly strong cooldown vs phys damage

and is the reason people run lucid major

in order to critblock for 40sec straight

[fleet axle]

yeah ok I was missing the value of crit block

[brittle owl]

👀

that's like, the main point

[undone sun]

what are tooltips

[left hatch]

also flat AP gain

= more pumping and bigger IP

[brittle owl]

meh

[marble cipher]

I shouldn't dabble with lucid major at key levels around 15 right?

[left hatch]

no

its not worth it till like 19/20 range

[marble cipher]

yeah, thought so

[brittle owl]

just go full damage

legit with how big the dps creep is

you can faceroll 15's

[civic holly]

what is k value

[undone sun]

armor constant for calculations

Base/open world: 6,300
Open World Mechagon/Nazjatar: 10,344.6
Open World Invasion quests (8.3): 12,782.7
M0/M+ (8.2): 8,467.2
M0/M+ (8.3): 10275.3
Operation: Mechagon: 14,282.1

Uldir: TEP:
-Normal: 7,736.4 Normal: 11.478.6
-Heroic: 8,467.2 Heroic: 12.782.7
-Mythic: 9,311.4 Mythic: 14.282.1
BfD/Crucible: Ny'alotha:
-LFR: 8,467.2 Normal: 14,282.1
-Normal: 9,355.5 Heroic: 16,002.0
-Heroic: 10,344.6 Mythic: 17,986.5
-Mythic: 11,478.6

[sick sentinel]

what am I looking at

[undone sun]

k values for different levels

[carmine wadi]

@marble cipher can you give me your macro for it?

Would be amazing

[marble cipher]

/cast Thunderclap
/use whatever_crazy_name_the_bracers_have```

something like that, not at pc

[carmine wadi]

Can I use /use slotplace?

Thanks gonna try when I'm at home

[sick sentinel]

chested my 20 freehold

got a UR

🤧

time for an ez chest

[marble cipher]

@carmine wadi fairly sure you can do /use <slotnumber> too yeah

[errant oriole]

hey guys is bastion of might really the best trait to go with?

[ebon hound]

no, everyone is wrong yes

[errant oriole]

oh ok just checkin 😛

i also had a brace for impact on the same tier thats all

[ebon hound]

only prio your 1st deafening over BoM

[errant oriole]

ah kk what about bloodsport vs iron fortress?

[ebon hound]

iron fortess

[errant oriole]

oh blood sport isnt that good this raid tier?

[ebon hound]

it's just not good

[undone sun]

it's not good. period.

[errant oriole]

oh well dang wowhead was wrong 😦

also im assuming you would take overwhelming power over the one that stacks crit?

[ebon hound]

not for dungeons

unstable flames is actually huge

[errant oriole]

cause of parry ?

[ebon hound]

yeah, and crit is big for dmg as well

it's not too reliable in raids, but it still works

[errant oriole]

ah k

thanks and sorry bout the dumb questions

but acually heart of darkness... is it any good cause atm my total corruption after resistance is only 23

[ebon hound]

well, if your corruption is <25, it's actually useless

[errant oriole]

kk i figured 😛

[ebon hound]

if you can get 25 or above it's huge

[errant oriole]

ah ok thanks 😄

[ionic fern]

It's one of the best traits.:)

Literally extra sockets on multiple pieces and it's stackable.

[ebon hound]

idk who updates wowhead

this sounds pretty pepega to me

[undone sun]

IV is recommended over WH

[errant oriole]

so i could run 80 corruption 😛

but i think that may be too high for tanking

[tame garden]

[errant oriole]

but im not sure whats the recommended you guys run?

raid wise

[ionic fern]

What ever you are comfortable with.
On reclears/farm you can run more.
On progress fights i wouldn't run over 59

[mortal brook]

Thats a comfort level for you and your healers. Prog i dont go over 59, tank heavy prog 39, but h reclear 93, whatevz

[errant oriole]

ah ok

[sick sentinel]

ez ur 21 chest

[tame garden]

[humble hamlet]

why all prot warrior play with lucid dream in m+ ?

[strong forum]

Cuz it's good

[sick sentinel]

hardly any do

not all

[strong forum]

But you didn't mention major or minor

So I can't tell

:^)

[humble hamlet]

major

[strong forum]

As kyothi said, hardly any do, and it's very niche

Not recommended for the everyday player

[dusty summit]

LD is for high keys, since it gives you 1500 leech

On major slot ofc

You’ll have self healing for 15 secs and can push up 100k+ healing based on how much damage you are taking

If you have Twilight R3 is much better

[strong forum]

Based on how many adds you're attacking

Cuz if you do only 70k dps, that extra 20k hps isn't gonna do Jack shit

Just to bring some math into this

[dusty summit]

Yes

[tame garden]

WHY DO ALL PROT WARRIORS

[strong forum]

Lucid is borderline useless in ST and on low target situations

That's the off-putting thing about it

[potent anvil]

You really shouldn't be using Lucid for the leech though. A lot of defensive power comes from the fact that you're spending rage to fuel anger management. 2 avatars back to back, 2 demo shouts back to back, constant IP uptime. Third demo shout comes in shortly after, you're reducing a lot of incoming damage.

I see some warriors just run it and use it because of the leech. Staying rage capped for pretty much the whole duration.

[strong forum]

Yup, it hurts

[vague glade]

so 14 and up use Lucid major?

[tame garden]

No

M0 and up use visions

Use lucid if you have a specific reason you want it in that run

[strong forum]

I wouldn't use lucid until 20+ and even then its eh

When you feel like you're doing everything right but you're getting trucked

That's the 'breakpoint' I would say

[potent anvil]

The pace this season is pretty fast, in terms of pulling. There are some dungeons that require setup, but majority of the time I feel you're better off with VoP in general.

[remote dawn]

Lucid is got on +20 keys with big coordinated pulls

[junior ivy]

@undone sun i dunno what dog to get

[tame garden]

Lucid sounds nice for fire mage comps

Since it lines up with combust

[undone sun]

tough choice @junior ivy

[junior ivy]

my dream dog is golden retriever

bfs dream dog is german shepherd

we are both soo stubborn

[tame garden]

That is a tough choice

[sick spindle]

Golden Retriever +++

I can send more pictures for research purposes 😛

[junior ivy]

yes please

[mortal brook]

get one that matches your lifestyle. if you're a sendentary type, get a less-active breed.

[junior ivy]

can i ask you stuff too

@sick spindle

[sick spindle]

Sure! DM me

[strong forum]

owo

[drifting lotus]

German Shepherd++

[brittle owl]

just get a border collie

no sense in getting an intellectually inferior breed

[vague glade]

German Shepherds are hard to beat... have had a few. working with a Cane Corso right now. Little difficult but so far rewarding

[junior ivy]

how difficult are german shepherds?

i hear theyre a huuuge commitment when it comes to training etc

and they need constant stimulation

@drifting lotus @vague glade

[high sierra]

what talents do you guys use for visions?

[vague glade]

belgian malinois need constant stimulation... German Shepherds are actually pretty laid back compared. Just need daily exercise.

[dusty summit]

Belgian malinois up there

[junior ivy]

@vague glade i'm worried about the dog being too protective

[vague glade]

Just socialisize the dog at an early age and no problems. they will be protective when you need them and very gentle when not.. find a good breeder you can trust. its a comitment so treat it as so

[jolly thistle]

@high sierra i used standard m+ talents with single target essences cof major, vop, cns and formless void minor + cyclotronic trinket for my solo runs this week

[uneven fern]

Regarding the above discussion that we shouldn't take memory of the lucid dreams on lower keys and instead use VoP.
Should we still use MotLD as a minor?
Cause I was thinking of running
VoP major and as minors MotLD, Nullification dynamo, Strength of the warden. Should I switch out MotLD with Aegis of the deep? Or something else?

[tame garden]

Lucid minor is great

Null isnt recommended in dungeons

Conflict/aegis/sphere all better options

[uneven fern]

Oh but I saw a lot of people doing higher keys with Null, am I missing something?

[tame garden]

On what dungeon

Keep in mind you cant trust raider.io

It shows what they log out in not necessarily what the used in the dungeon

[uneven fern]

Ah okay, and strength of the warden is good then? Combined with Lucid and Aegis then?

[tame garden]

Only if you need the corruption resist

The essence itself isnt that good

[uneven fern]

Ah alright, thanks for the help. New to prot warrior and still learning ^^

[sick sentinel]

But when the TD calls

You must answer

[buoyant lodge]

man I hope essences become account bound sooner rather than later. Want to start playing my warrior tank again but don't fancy grinding out CNS r3. The sphere one gains nothing from rank 3 if i remember correctly?

[tame garden]

Account bound essences prob not til SL prepatch

If at all

[vague glade]

switched from my rogue to tank and currently grinding them out 😦

[tame garden]

Dumb bitch ion doesnt like the idea of account bound essences

Does the man even have an alt

[buoyant lodge]

one week away from CNS rank 3 on my lock main, grinded out BOTE r3 on my rogue alt last season then 2 weeks later our tank quit so I said I'd take over as my warrior was 120

[pliant mesa]

Racial Question - Alliance related... Which race do you think has the better racials for tanking - Mechagnome or Kul Tiran? Both have useful abilities, so I thought I'd ask others opinions - Thanks

[stark ruin]

They shouldn't matter, frankly

[high sierra]

choosing race now is all about cosmetic

[stark ruin]

Generally people go for utility in race choices, if at all

Mostly cosmetics, yes

And utility means dwarf, nelf or maaaaybe di dwarf

[tame garden]

Dwarfs are best for ally

[strong forum]

Dorf is best

Nelf isn't as useful anymore with awakened being a thing

Or atleast I would assume so

[vague glade]

what about horde?

[strong forum]

Belf

Rest is w/e

[stark ruin]

Orc

For the looks

[tame garden]

Vulpera*

[strong forum]

Orc :kekw: no

[tame garden]

Vulpera is bis for the looks

[vague glade]

was thinking from switching from orc to belf for torent but cant bring myself to do it

[strong forum]

Orc is the 2nd most ugly race

Next to tauren

[uneven fern]

I find highmountain amazing in M+, might just be me

[pliant mesa]

So Mechagnome racials: Emergency Failsafe: When you fall below 20% health, heal for 15% of your maximum health. This effect cannot occur more than once every 2.5 min. and Combat Analysis: You gather and analyze combat data every 5 sec, increasing your primary stat by 50, stacking up to 8 times. The data decays while out of combat. - Wouldn't be useful... and yes cosmetics are very important. We must look good while getting our faces smashed

[strong forum]

It's not as useful as dwarf

[stark ruin]

if you go with the straight posture orc animations look really dynamic and powerful imo

[strong forum]

Dwarf racial is insane, you can straight up remove almost every debuff in the game

[warm plinth]

And if you’re dark iron you even get more deeps from it

[tame garden]

Yeah dwarfs are hidden op

[stark ruin]

dwarf is better dps

[strong forum]

They're not even hidden op

[stark ruin]

because of the +damage on crit racial

[strong forum]

Ye

[craggy harness]

but they're short.

pouts

[stark ruin]

and since we love crit for m+...

[strong forum]

What do you mean but

Dwarfs are the best fantasy race ever

[stark ruin]

but DI dwarf looks badass

[tame garden]

Smol tank best tank

[stark ruin]

they're not small

they're short

there is a difference

[craggy harness]

Kender, are the best fantasy race ever

[strong forum]

In any universe that has dwarfs they're always the best

[craggy harness]

Don't at me

[strong forum]

I do not know what that is

[stark ruin]

@strong forum I agree

[craggy harness]

Dragonlance race

To be fair, only known for one character

Basically a halfling

[strong forum]

Ah Hobbits but different

[craggy harness]

with proclivity for stealing

but not thinking of it as such

[strong forum]

Dwarfs are manly with majestic beards, great architecture and overall badass.

And mostly Scottish accent, that's fucking cool

[craggy harness]

Dwarves are womanly with majestic beards, great architecture and overall badass

😉

[strong forum]

So you have something against women

I see

[craggy harness]

no, but the sentence also applies

for dwarven women

Pretty sure you comment in a way that makes dwarven women sound dainty

[strong forum]

Sure but they aren't often depicted

[craggy harness]

you'd get an axe butt on your foot

[stark ruin]

they are, but you might not see the difference

like in discworld

[craggy harness]

d&d dwarves are classic for that

beard

less so warcraft

[strong forum]

Ye, and so they are in LOTR too

[craggy harness]

Moira with a beard?

OH well, pretty sure genderswap has been done there

so moving on.

[tame garden]

😏

[craggy harness]

huh

Rule 63 fail

so far

No genderswap Moira

on google

must be searching wrong

[stark ruin]

some of the discworld novels discuss the struggles of modern dwarf women

like using pink armor and stuff

and how society reacts to it

[craggy harness]

I never could quite get into discworld in high school

may try again

[stark ruin]

it's better the older you are, honestly

[craggy harness]

I went more with Thomas Covenant series

[stark ruin]

it's in one of the novels which deal with the city guards and ankh-morpok

[craggy harness]

at the time

so probably the light heartedness felt like the anti-thesis

[stark ruin]

I'm not familiar with the Thomas Covenant series, but might take a look

[craggy harness]

Very anti hero

[stark ruin]

but yeah, the discworld novels are usualy very light

on the surface at least

[craggy harness]

It may be a grind if you can't get past the distasteful bits that the hero does

Lighter anti hero from Stephen R Donaldson (that author)

would be the Mirror of her dreams

there's another book for the duology, forget the name

ymmv

As it always is with these books

[hallow phoenix]

I'm getting a new cotank and it will probably be a VDH. I've never tanked with a vdh, kinda excited

Still have no idea how they work

[high sierra]

he morph

he has 1m+ hp

he regen

ho and he jumps a lot

that's about it

[hallow phoenix]

So an immortal jumpy boi

[mortal brook]

If hes vop glut he wont deal dmg but he wont die. If hes other builds then he might do dmg

[warm plinth]

You just gotta have TD and then it does damage for you

[hallow phoenix]

Warcraftlogs shows him using spirit bomb alot

[warm plinth]

Because you have like 1.4 mil HP in Meta or some shit

[hallow phoenix]

He has rank 5 Twisted appendage I think

[warm plinth]

There's a rank 5 twisted appendage?

[hallow phoenix]

3+2

[tame garden]

=5

[hallow phoenix]

[warm plinth]

Oh, never heard it referred to that way. I was like huh, interesting

[hallow phoenix]

I didn't want to type out 3+2

[stark scroll]

Spirit bomb is the go to for raids so yeah

[hallow phoenix]

But then I ended up doing so anyway

[tame garden]

Thanks a lot pinky

[warm plinth]

I like to make sure Tusks exercises his brain

[carmine wadi]

This evening I'm gonna try first run with my TD2

[warm plinth]

[glass walrus]

oooo so excited for you

[strong forum]

I have EV T5 on war

All on 475

Don't @ me

EV nerfs who

[sick spindle]

Is EV BiS for Prot Warriors in M+15-20?

[cloud umbra]

i thought TD rules everything still in m+

[naive panther]

TD is better

for sure

I run EV 4 on my dh cause that's what i could get

I run ev1 and td1 on my warrrior once again, cause I don't have any more td

[tame garden]

Ye td rules but not everyone is lucky enough to have it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[naive panther]

This paladin had a 375 shield with td2 on it for sale 6.5m

[strong forum]

EV t2 and TD t2 is what I'm technically running on war, on dh I can have TD t5

[naive panther]

and hte funny part is he was selling it because he had a shield 375 with td3 already

[strong forum]

Gee,

[naive panther]

I can run so much more corruption on my dh than war

I'm 58 on dh

[strong forum]

I have about 300 corruption both

Oh you mean actively

[naive panther]

yeah'

[strong forum]

Ye on dh im running 80

:kekw:

[naive panther]

lol as veng?

[strong forum]

But that's a little too much

[naive panther]

yeah going to say how do you survive a dungeon

[strong forum]

But 60-79 should be fine

[high sierra]

I'm taking some huge slaps in +14, starting to wonder if Ireally have to do lady ashvane for that urchin

[cloud umbra]

you wouldnt be able to do any higher keys with tight hallways

[strong forum]

We did time the siege 16 yesterday

When I went 80 corruption

TD t5

And only 451 equipped

So it is doable

[cloud umbra]

siege is open

do a Tol Dagor with 80

[strong forum]

I could perma run 80 if I had 470+ equipped

Tbh

But my gear fucking sucks

I tanked every eye cuz slow is 90%

🙃

[cloud umbra]

you would be getting wrecked constantly from things

[strong forum]

Na it doesn't hurt

The eye is what hurts

The thing is w/e

[cloud umbra]

if it didnt everyone would run 80

[strong forum]

Thing from beyond doesn't scale with corruption

Only eye does

The thing only runs faster

[cloud umbra]

yes it does

more of them

getting 3 of them back to back

[strong forum]

That's called unluck

[cloud umbra]

lol

[strong forum]

Nobody is running 60+ because of the insta eye spawn, size of eye, and the root because of thing

[exotic spoke]

I’ve had that at 43 corruption - shit rng is all it is

[strong forum]

But vdh and BDK can outheal that pretty consistently

Not recommending it, but it's doable

[cloud umbra]

in low keys yes

[naive panther]

I put all my corruption on once, yeah I died as soon as I took a little damage

too man ythings going off on my nuts

[broken tinsel]

As a BDK main, i run 65corrup everywhere

[winged grail]

Is there a way to sim Damage Taken per Second? Or otherwise, what would be the impact of going from a 465 shield to a 445 shield?

[broken tinsel]

Tried M Irion with 80+, cant survive the 3rd blast F

[tame garden]

Large impact

Shield ilvl is yuge

But no theres no simming defensively

[winged grail]

😢

[cloud umbra]

as a bdk ?

[winged grail]

Just got a TD lvl 2 on a 445 shield...

[tame garden]

[winged grail]

I'm so salty right now

[strong forum]

rip

[tame garden]

Damn

[exotic spoke]

Yeah that’s a rip

[tame garden]

That's worst case

Legit

[brisk sparrow]

guess it is nice for timewalking 😉

[broken tinsel]

How much corruption can prot take safely ? Like 60max ?

[lucid pendant]

I try and do less than 40 but I'm a wimp

[naive panther]

I'm under 40 because the stuff that puts me over 40 sucks, so unless I get some big td I'll stay under 40

[prisma ember]

whats better for m+, 430 vial or 455 razdunk?

if we go raw stat vial seems better but 2 min per

[left hatch]

vial is annoying to use

because you have to manually use it

[prisma ember]

same with button though

[left hatch]

button you can just hit w/e though

vial has a really specific window to remember to pop it

[prisma ember]

which is

[left hatch]

after avatar and DS, but while you'll still get the majority of the value before avatar fades

[exotic spoke]

I wish I got good corruption pieces 😦

[tame garden]

😦

[exotic spoke]

I keep getting Spegged

[brisk ferry]

button you have to actually click somewhere though

it's trash

[exotic spoke]

I’ve seen so much VR stuff >.>

[left hatch]

you also have to click Vial tho

[prisma ember]

click

[brisk ferry]

what

vial is an activate

button is a target

[left hatch]

oh i gotchu

just mousover macro it

then theres no additional click

[brisk ferry]

that's an option, tho just get your free Expulsom

[left hatch]

truth, both are annoying

[raw turtle]

is surging vitality 3 any good ?

[left hatch]

but my TLDR is if you take vial don't macro it to avatar because its not worth running then

[carmine wadi]

Guys do you know how I can handle the Mechagon Bracers in a macro? It works but each time I cast TC my toon tells "item not ready" its annoying

[left hatch]

no way around that

turn sounds off?

[carmine wadi]

:/

I need sounds :O

[exotic spoke]

You don’t use them?

[left hatch]

i only have it on for RP quests

[exotic spoke]

That’s my solution 😄

[left hatch]

the sounds from littlewigs and stuff still go through

[carmine wadi]

They are 475 with TD2 on it lol

[left hatch]

so all you lose out on is the noise of TClap

[carmine wadi]

No way around to not use them

[exotic spoke]

Oh then you don’t use the on use 🙂

[carmine wadi]

That would be silly 😋

[exotic spoke]

I don’t even know what it is. Is it a shield for like 25k or something ?

[left hatch]

nah its the shockwave

that gives a bit of avoidance

[strong forum]

Turn off error speech in sound settings

[exotic spoke]

Ahh

[left hatch]

ooo smart guy

didn't know that was a thing cause i just Ctr-S'd my way through the last 2 xpacs

[carmine wadi]

Would have been lucky about other ones lol

[strong forum]

Turning off error speech is a godsend

But 9/10 I don't play with sound anyway

[left hatch]

the last time sounds were actually useful to me was the audio que for reaping spawn

so i could just not pay attention

[tame garden]

Imagine disabling daddy nzoths whispers

[strong forum]

I mean there was massive visual Q aswell

Na i always blast music

Original pvp player ykno

But they killed pvp in legion

[left hatch]

and listening to 100+ hours of combat sounds really gets to you

[strong forum]

You'd be surprised how many people play with game audio exclusively

It's horrifying

[left hatch]

lol i get so tilted/toxic/salty if i dont have music during my keys

scuff a key with music? no problem

scuff a key with just game sounds. oof.

[strong forum]

SAME

[left hatch]

friendships ruined

[strong forum]

Literally same

[lucid pendant]

I like in game audio, usually have my own music and disc much higher tho

[exotic spoke]

Honestly I have sounds on but had just blocked them out / didn’t hear error speech until someone pointed it out when I clipped something

Hearing a successful reflect is a nice feeling and then seeing the big damage pop up

[jolly coral]

Hello people. I've a question, and sorry for my bad spelling

Is Warrior a decent tank for progression M on this tier?

because i saw a lot of DK and Monks on raids :S

[tame garden]

:S

[prisma ember]

you can succeed in raid as any tank

warriors arent as strong as dk/brm for raiding but there will be plenty of pwarr's with ce by the end of the tier

[left hatch]

especially since the world first race is over and you're not aiming for top 100

you can play literally any tank

and be fine

[prisma ember]

except druid

[sullen valve]

wowA

[prisma ember]

fuck druids

[tame garden]

Fuck you

[sullen valve]

pretty great

[jolly coral]

Thx ^^ haha poor druids xD

[tame garden]

Druid > war in raid

[prisma ember]

true

[left hatch]

but does it support prot warrior though 🤔

[prisma ember]

but i dont play war in raid

[left hatch]

please tell me Abe

[sullen valve]

prot warrior wowA > druid wowA

:qqMonk:

yes it does

[left hatch]

oh why thank you (:

[tame garden]

:qqmonk:

[sullen valve]

Thank me for it existing but blame @ionic fern for all the bug and issues it has

[ionic fern]

👀

Rude.

[sullen valve]

Mwahi did ALL the testing for it :qqMonk:

[brittle owl]

hey

truth hurts

#facts

[sullen valve]

And thats why fury is gonna be buggy af

No mwahi to test

[granite maple]

Привет русские есть?

[fast timber]

anyone know if this shield is good?

[tame garden]

Worse than an equal ilvl shield

Better than a lower ilvl shield

[autumn pendant]

@sullen valve you working on fury one too?

[wooden radish]

@warm plinth @wet bough https://imgur.com/gallery/psxMeYz

[sullen valve]

@autumn pendant 👀

[autumn pendant]

👀

👀

[sullen valve]

I need a qqmonk but i don't have that power... but i know someone who does

[tame garden]

:qqmonk:

[ionic fern]

:qqmonk:

😦

@autumn pendant

[sullen valve]

mwahi don't you have emote power

:qqMonk:

[tame garden]

Mwahi has no power

[sullen valve]

Thats what he wnats you to think

[tame garden]

[ionic fern]

Ofc i do. 😉

I got all the powers.

[sullen valve]

Do it

bring us a QQ

[ionic fern]

N o.

[strong forum]

Ofc revvez just got fucking Maut 475 crit haste + socket TD t3 legs

Ofc

Ofc

[undone sun]

if you had all the power we'd have cross server motes

smh

[sullen valve]

😏

[tame garden]

:riot:

[sullen valve]

mwahi is just scared of the qq's ill bring

[tame garden]

:qqduck:

[exotic spoke]

:roosipp:

[undone sun]

:thyme:

[autumn pendant]

@ionic fern dont beat me papa

[ionic fern]

Stop stealth pinging me

Smh.

[autumn pendant]

Now go to #arms

And end this madness

[sullen valve]

@ionic fern okay. I'll just normal ping you uwu

[ionic fern]

What's going on there. o.o

[undone sun]

i see Cyrillic nonsense

[sullen valve]

Protect it

[autumn pendant]

Russian invasion

[strong forum]

🇷🇺

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[hushed cobalt]

20k for 430 with* socket gloves with r3 EV. Sounds dangerous

I got a 465 vial and while it sims less than 460 torment+vita, are there any cases where it could be better?

[autumn pendant]

430 item with no sockez?

Pass

[strong forum]

Those gloves are Hella cheap for 6k dps gain

[tame garden]

Yeah if you have room in your corruption budget

[hushed cobalt]

Currently have 460 no socket r3 deadly momentum

[tame garden]

20k is peanuts

[strong forum]

That's a snack if you have nothing better

Ye 20k is nothing

Defo worth

And torment+vita is solid

Vial isn't really desirable

[autumn pendant]

@hushed cobalt sneaky edit

[hushed cobalt]

I added with!

[strong forum]

I mean he said they had socket

Even before edit

You were just blind :)

[autumn pendant]

Might be

[strong forum]

If you don't have TD anywhere, those EV t3 will defo be a huge upgrade

[hushed cobalt]

Whoops clicked on wrong, it's r2*

I have r2 EV wrists also

3 of my 6 corrupted items are racing pulse, all 3 are r3

[nimble brook]

@sullen valve does wowa work for m+

[sullen valve]

Not completely