Has anyone seen pinky
#protection
tame garden
maiden ravine
Nemesis is usually not as bad for some reason
lusty grotto
hey what happened to pinky i was gonna add him to bnet
warm plinth
I hate you guys
inland mesa
Is pinky an alias, i feel like it's an imposter name change
modern brook
what was wrong with your name before?
tame garden
@pinky
warm plinth
Not like you really cared since you don't even remember what it was 😭
inland mesa
that was actually his phone number, you missed out
tame garden
Ghash133742069
warm plinth
You're so creative Speg
inland mesa
Ghash8675309
lusty grotto
Ghash9675301
modern brook
ghash8008135?
lusty grotto
its the jenny song phone!
wooden radish
woah woah woah woah
warm plinth
Did you just get the Jenny phone number wrong Nim?
wooden radish
where did Pinky go
lusty grotto
wait is that not it?
warm plinth
It's 867-5309
warm plinth
And you should be ashamed of yourself.
lusty grotto
damn it
inland mesa
120 estimated time of death?
elder berry
-100 DKP
inland mesa
only lasts for 2 mins, heyyyyo
warm plinth
Elite Tauren Druid. It was a play on the WoW band. I used to main a druid.
inland mesa
aren't you a DH now?
warm plinth
I am
inland mesa
sinner
warm plinth
It's the only class I'm good enough to play at a mediocre level
modern brook
in legion i played dh and i rebound my entire keyboard to chaos strike
lusty grotto
im doing mini games in this assault
modern brook
that was fun
inland mesa
I thought you were a gud warrior
warm plinth
Who ever said I was a good warrior? 🙂
lusty grotto
fuk i just tried to heroic strike
lusty grotto
no! i need to do this invasion
maiden ravine
Play fury with furious slash
warm plinth
I know things about warrior, and I'm usually right. But that doesn't mean I'm a good warrior. 👍
craggy harness
That's not convincing.
lusty grotto
hey calm down with Jaina, youll get wushan virus
inland mesa
I has a 465 one
modern brook
@craggy harness u just need to want something else more
craggy harness
Easy AOTC carry?
Done.
(wants that)
Or does it have to be gear.
That would be annoying
maiden ravine
I'm still laughing that my 12 td in time is still my best 'rank'
tame garden
Delete tol dagor
inland mesa
It's ok gash, I went from spamming tiger palm on monk to having that as my revenge button on warrior and poorly spending rage :(
warm plinth
I mained windwalker from MoP through Legion 😮
inland mesa
You know what's fun in TD? The other TD
warm plinth
It really is
inland mesa
Who doesn't like pulling shit through walls and ceilings
warm plinth
How many mobs can you pull through the wall? Ages 6 and up.
craggy harness
It's okay, they would have been pulled anyway.
maiden ravine
I actually try to do it on purpose before jes if I don't have a rogue
inland mesa
We aggro'd stuff upstairs, like a whole floor above that ran down
maiden ravine
Revenge is a DR button with the right trait
inland mesa
A trait you shouldn't have unless forced to at gun point
modern brook
ever since the UF nerf Revenge is necessary for dunkining on dps
vocal jacinth
if i need 2 pages for legendary cloak, can i just do 1 side objective or do i need to do 2?
maiden ravine
Need to do 2
tame garden
O_O
inland mesa
They nerfed UF?
inland mesa
Oh I thought you meant again
modern brook
nah
warm plinth
Wait, what else would CR refer to?
inland mesa
I was using only revenge instead of IP because I was hitting it to get a brew back that didn't exist and then IP which didnt jabe enough rage so never worked
Callous
Oh what else
warm plinth
Right but Speg said "has it ever been referred to as the right trait before". Maybe I'm misunderstanding him lol
inland mesa
Conduct referral, you've been bad go to the principals office
warm plinth
Did I just accidentally enter a porno?
inland mesa
He meant has anyone ever said it was a good trait, aka the right/correct one
warm plinth
Oh, that makes more sense
lusty grotto
i am soft and weak
inland mesa
And if you dream it you can do it ;)
inland mesa
That made my soul sad
warm plinth
@modern brook
modern brook
it hurt typing it, fwiw
warm plinth
What did I do now
modern brook
who tf this ghash guy? @ ing me like this
tame garden
You misunderstood my joke
inland mesa
The mythic azerite off carapace and n'zoth....is that worth in M+ or keeping the low level double MS dream the better option?
tame garden
modern brook
IDK the traits off hand chew, but i imagine 30+ ilvls of str and armor is hard to pass up
tame garden
Dropping ilvl is almost never worth
inland mesa
I guess you can still get MS chest, so it would be shoulders and then different helm
modern brook
yeah engie warriors are cheating wrt azerite
inland mesa
That vex chest looks pretty sexy though. I got no 1 hander or chest last night, I cried
modern brook
@warm plinth no
inland mesa
475 weapon evades me :(
modern brook
did u see what happened to me the last time i solo ran the visions?
warm plinth
No
modern brook
Alleria reset in the middle of chains cast
warm plinth
That's...unfortunate
warm plinth
Someone last night said they got to Mathias in Old Town and he never spawned lol
inland mesa
We had a mob in ny'alotha fall through the world last night and keep casting in the lava below
sick sentinel
Jump down there and fight them
tame garden
Bonus roll or no balls
sick sentinel
I didn’t know ilvl 445 gear dropped in classic
inland mesa
Not corrupted trash it
modern brook
@warm plinth hes just invis on the hill i thought
warm plinth
Nah they made it so that he doesn't spawn until you go through the gate or something because there was like a DH skip where you could run on the walls or some shit
Where people were skipping straight to him
lusty grotto
not bonus rolling this shit fuck that
sick sentinel
Why not
modern brook
big wuss
lusty grotto
its 445
warm plinth
Currently sitting in the chamber because I fat fingered meta 🙂
lusty grotto
wdym
inland mesa
Have you seen that smug jerk? I'd meta him too
steel spire
u guys do horific visions as prot or swap to dps?
maiden ravine
you know, if I put EVERYTHING into terms of keys I could do instead of it, if I stopped lifting at the gym I could totally do another 8-10 keys a week, haha
lusty grotto
w8 wdym swap to dps
tame garden
Retail has this thing called specializations
steel spire
with masks too or?
vestal edge
does the logic loop of synergy when you heal a target below 50 percent does that include ignore pain on self?
sweet summit
ignore pain is an absorb, so no
vestal edge
so only last stand and victory rush then i guess
wooden radish
@ionic fern is ignore pain an absorb
sweet summit
im not sure if Impassive Visage works, might do
vestal edge
yeah cuz i have the if you heal a target below 50 percent get the magic damage absorb
idk if thats good
sweet summit
magic absorb is very low. i tried the 465 version and its poopy
analog zinc
pretty minor
vestal edge
is there like an internal cd on it
sweet summit
15 sec
vestal edge
oh gay
inland mesa
that vex chest is sexy with UF, IV, BFI and BoM
sweet summit
HoD>BfI 😄
inland mesa
is it? I didn't have corruption to even use until this week
sweet summit
oh rip
inland mesa
like my best was a 430 IS piece
sweet summit
but yea, HoD is VERY strong
inland mesa
then this week I got TD 1, TD 2, EV 1
sweet summit
i wish i had TD 
inland mesa
I didn't get vex chest last night though, maybe next week to swap to HoD
maiden ravine
I don't know how I ended up getting multiple TD pieces on 2 characters
Hell I cleansed an EV2 weapon on my mage on Tuesday
inland mesa
my monk has 3 IS rank 1, 2 IS rank 2, 1 EV rank 3, 1 EV rank 1
it's silly
for HoD is it just wearing 25 corruption in general, or is it only if there's 25 past what you have resistence for, so like with 30 resistence you need to be wearing 55 for it to work
inland mesa
eek, k, so longer term that'll be annoying to keep up
inland mesa
you say that like I have good corruption to put on
tame garden
You will
inland mesa
haste for 4 sec it is!
tame garden
We get more every week
wooden radish
you can still equip shit corruptions if they are better than not using any at all
mortal brook
level yo cloak
mortal brook
inland mesa
before this week I had 3 IS 430, 2 pieces of the 4 sec haste buff, 1 VR, 1 vers proc
avoidance piece, and wrathion weapon, I was sad
maiden ravine
my druid has r1 TA and r2 Ineffable Truth right now, 3 corruption after resistance, oof
mortal brook
gotta do you world quests man
craggy harness
invasion dailies to get surprised by corruption curses
and try out harder corruption!
"shing" thing from beyond!
sick sentinel
Steve WQs are for nerds
warm plinth
Hmm
Wasn't someone in here saying that bloodthirsty was cancelling food?
In visions
Ah yes
@mortal brook Bloodthirsty does make you stand, but it did not interrupt my food in the visions I just did.
warm plinth
I watched Nerf's 5 mask clear and it seemed like it did once for him too, but I had it go off during like 3 different times of eating and it never stopped it
mortal brook
good then
warm plinth
So fixed I guess 😄
harsh garnet
Experienced prot warrs who push high M+ got an insight into how good or bad this trinket is ?
tame garden
Its bad
mortal brook
whenever the armor would be useful is when you'd lose the armor. my condolences
stark ruin
you have 18k armor
harsh garnet
straight to the scrapper ty guyse
stark ruin
I had a 475 from my first weekly cache
sick sentinel
That trinket is worse than I am at wow
warm plinth
It's worse than I am at WoW
hazy dust
on
tame garden
off
south osprey
Guys/girls - i have just returned for 8.3 and I am a bit lost in the trinket department
I have a 430 gleaming eye and the bloodthirsty trinket which is 430 also
tame garden
Nice
south osprey
according to icy veins they are still the best
but...... i have started to collect 460 i lvl trinkets now with a far greater strength gain
So - what do i do? Stick or switch ?
ionic fern
"The following list has the most noteworthy trinkets available for survivability assuming equal item level."
"The following list has the most noteworthy trinkets available for survivability assuming equal item level."
What 460 trinkets do you have available?
solar thorn
can you reflect the cast of the tank buster mob in m+?
ionic fern
No.
tame garden
No
solar thorn
thanks lads!
south osprey
@ionic fern don't know without checking ( not online)
@ionic fern but I will just try to get the best in that list
brisk rain
how important is high ilvl shield?
if i swap shield from 440 to 465, will i notice any difference xD?
warm plinth
It's literally the most important piece of gear you can get
brisk rain
Mhm
Okay, that's the lowest ilvl Item i have
Good thing i capped conquest, until few days ago i was tanking with crafted 400 shield
maiden ravine
If you're capable of doing 11s they're a great way to farm 460 gear
maiden ravine
Lol
brisk rain
I have wrathion sword with socket xD
maiden ravine
I actually have my loot set to fury for chest because I'm terrified of getting a tank trinket
maiden ravine
Oh yeah, 475 ritual bandage, just what I wanted
maiden ravine
I'm running around with a 460 mace/shield, it seems sufficient
Well arms and fury are the same loot pool, so it shouldn't change anything
brisk rain
Changed loot spec to arms and i got weapon from 1st chest in 8.3
Shush
Its my placebo xD
maiden ravine
I finally got a 460 geti yesterday
brisk rain
Gz
nocturne marlin
hi guys, i have some serious probs in m+ 12+ to hold aggro while pulling. My Rota: Avatar > charge > Thunderclap > Demoshout > rage > shieldslam and so on. Sometimes wenn i went in the mates (70k dps) get one fad melee hit... sometimes they die instantly... can u help me?
warm plinth
What does this refer to?
warm plinth
Sounds like maybe your DPS are jumping the gun a bit. Unless you're just way lower ilevel than the rest of your group
brisk rain
I dont think ive ever had issues with aggro
warm plinth
I usually do TC>Demo>TC and then worry about other shit. It's a lot more damage than Revenge and you should be using TC every other GCD anyway.
brisk rain
Isn't tc the most important part of rotation on aoe?
ionic fern
Charge->Avatar->TC->Demo->TC->SS->TC->Revenge.
nocturne marlin
im 464 my mates are 470
nocturne marlin
1
ionic fern
Is that Anima Major i see?
nocturne marlin
yes?
warm plinth
Anima major is only used in islands. It's not good in dungeons.
nocturne marlin
cant find a homepage with the best essence traits 😦
brisk rain
Like below 15, depending on how much you struggle?
warm plinth
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-essences It's right at the top
warm plinth
Doing the rotation correctly is how you get aggro. Just make the changes suggested above and you should be fine. You need to use TC every other global.
brisk rain
Hmm, Mwahi, I can use lucid if i sometimes struggle with surviving, right?
warm plinth
Lucid is used if you're doing really high keys and absolutely need Lucid to survive a pull
warm plinth
What level keys are you doing?
brisk rain
Starting to do 17s
warm plinth
Then you should not need Lucid to survive
brisk rain
I like it tho
grizzled glen
If you’re asking to see if you need to use lucid major, you’re probably not getting full value of it lol
nocturne marlin
ty gash for your answer. but im bursting TC, this singletarget dmg at the beginnig is horrible
brisk rain
I think there was that one pepega essence that taunts everything around
sharp night
you guys just don't know the glory
brisk rain
What about formless voiding Beam xD?
warm plinth
Can't block/dodge/parry during the cast/channel
sharp night
of mass pulling, using sotw active and then proccing 6 TD in a row
with the 50% bonus dmg
brisk rain
Rip
warm plinth
Obvious pro strats 😂
warm plinth
If they don't cap corruption in MDI that's essentially what's gonna happen. Who can delete more pulls with Twilight Dev 😂
brisk rain
Hahaha
maiden ravine
That sounds fun to watch to me
formal vine
look at me running Undying gift as major in KR cause I dont wanna die
formal vine
the damuuuuge
brisk rain
Forti zul xD
nocturne marlin
sometimes only one thunderclap is not enough and they focus one add instant. my mates just get one hit and are half live at high keys
thats my problem, i have no problems while im tanking but really while charge and the next 3 seconds
maiden ravine
I only have issues when I tell people to kite the scarabs obelisk and they don't
brisk rain
So, back to the major topic, is it bad if i use lucid in 15s or above?
Or can i just stick with it
dark helm
you can stick with it
brisk rain
Aight, imma stick with it, thx
left hatch
i mean
are you doing 20s?
are you making mega pulls where you NEED the 40s of avatar back to back to live
are you spamming ip to make sure you don't rage cap during it
if any of those things are no you shouldn't be running it
left hatch
then you shouldn't be running it lol before 20's VoP is better
because its highly doubtful you need it to live
strong forum
you need to play around lucid
left hatch
and by doubtful, the limiting factor on survival with good play isn't going to be Avatar
strong forum
you absolutely need to do big pulls around it
left hatch
its goign to be group damage
strong forum
to make it any worth
brisk rain
You overestimate pug healers xD
leaden grail
what is the big thing lucid does for prot btw? i always thought it was the leech+more ip uptime?
strong forum
so youre just missing out on dmg
left hatch
yah... good play is all you need in 15s
strong forum
its literally just rage gain to get more avatar and leech
so... not really great outside of ultra pulls
left hatch
yah 40s of critical block + some leech
leaden grail
oohh the cooldown reduction from more rage too .. forgot about that
left hatch
and ultra pulls meaning like.. 5+ packs, basically as much as you can pull without kicks being a limiting factor
so even in 20's lucid wont be worth it some placescause it wont do much in like shrine
strong forum
like tol dagor before 1st boss
thats 1 pull, then a couple pulls in ML
maybe in WM too
left hatch
and you pointing out that yo'ure pugging makes it even more dubious to run
because its a waste if you're not coordinating those mega pulls
maiden ravine
Omg blizzard
You would make cloak rank 10 and 11 easier right after most of us did 4 runs this week
high sierra
isn't it easy?
left hatch
how did they make it easier? o.0
maiden ravine
They're removing the cap on vessels Tuesday
high sierra
what
maiden ravine
And let you get more pages on stage 7-11
high sierra
ho noooo, what a mistake
maiden ravine
Indeed, and lets us all stock pile the 19 vessels we need for the next 4 weeks
maiden ravine
It's mostly for the week we need 6 and 9
Well, with them upping rewards from assaults and dailies again
Maybe we'll get 8 vessels a week or something
pure hare
Why is King's rest so hard? ugh
left hatch
the trash? a particular boss? zul?
left hatch
you can skip all but one beserker
and if you take a step back you can bait out the bleed onto a party member, or better yet a hunter pet
high sierra
wait heed my call is bad on prot warr? ho god what an idiot I am
maiden ravine
Group with 4 monks and constantly rop then
left hatch
its not awful depending on your other choices
high sierra
blood siphon
left hatch
its close then, would probably lean blood siphon
high sierra
well blood siphon is S tier says icy
left hatch
about the only real bad choices that ring are shit like shimmering haven
high sierra
while heed my call is garbo
high sierra
well, i'm doing pugs and heals suck
so I guess I should follow icy a bit more
like I'm gonna replace that blood rite with a brace for impact for sure
left hatch
survivability comes mostly from good play
not traits
even with awful healers
and irrc blood rite is the haste buff that resets on mob death?
thatd probably be better in M+ than BfI
defensively as well
high sierra
cause except for that and having good uptime on my shieldblock
left hatch
proper use of SR
high sierra
ho I can't rage cap, I don't got any rage to begin with
left hatch
sounds like you might be misplaying your rotation then
cause even with a paltry amount of haste rage gen is pretty consistent
regardless if you're having issues living in 11's its not due to traits
high sierra
revenge when free, SS on cd, TC on cd DS on cd
I mean that's mostly the rotation icyveins gave me
warm plinth
I think you should probably log something and have us take a look, because "kiting 24/7" is the opposite of prot war gameplay.
left hatch
and unless its exclusively things like bleeds (which is a healer mechanic) or magic damage (which is reliant on group kicks) that you're strugglign with
theres def something more you can be doing gameplay wise
maiden ravine
I need to macro reflect to say, don't interrupt, I'm reflecting
left hatch
tbf thats a good problem to have pugging
its more likely to have pugs just not interrupt anything (:
pure hare
Is echoing void worth 75 corruption?
left hatch
then yes lol
pure hare
xD, ty
left hatch
its a decent amount of damage and with your cloak itll drop you below 40
high sierra
once you get TD3, your life starts
pure hare
I ask because I know some corruption abilities are trash
left hatch
its on the upper tier of them
as things stand right now its Damage procs (which EV is middle of the pack of) > Stat procs > Stat %'s >shit like avoidance, ineffible truth, leech etc
maiden ravine
Oh that glorious time when ev3 was 2.6% of our health
pure hare
whats TD3? Sorry
left hatch
Twilight Dev
maiden ravine
Twilight devastation
Big purple beam
AKA the spell effect that grinds world boss zones to a halt
maiden ravine
TD is best for aoe, ev 2nd place
Single target you want gushing blood, twisted appendages, or infinite stars
sharp night
it's funny because with TD shimmering haven is actually a dps increase
left hatch
bloodsport is probably the worst prot trait
followed by callous reprisal
to the point almost any generic trait option is worth taking over them
high sierra
good good, can't do better with my azerite traits now
maiden ravine
The tank ones used to be good, at least I remember gemhide being sought after
high sierra
not even Blood siphon? 😮
high sierra
ho, hoooo yeah nevermind
maiden ravine
Or maybe I'm getting it confused with 8.0 brm who loved extra armor
left hatch
on BrM its very stronk
because they're low on armor
were have the highest baseline in the game
plus gemhide is inner most ring so
not really a comparison rn
maiden ravine
Okay
left hatch
(we do like gemhide but its not as strong as IV, and its more for 100% uptime of avoidance)
and tbh i wanna say RP is better than gemhide as well
but thats more feelycrafty
maiden ravine
I love bubbles, but I take vampiric speed when I can
high sierra
don't have gemhide atm 😢
left hatch
you don't need it, its middle of the pack
as long as yo'ure not running the speed one, or Bulwark you're doing ok
left hatch
its not behind, but theres something wrong with Bulwark
high sierra
atleast tell me I didn't fuck up and impassive visage is indeed good
left hatch
its our best
left hatch
Bulwark doesn't consistently proc apparently
even with 5+ target groups when its off its internal cd
high sierra
ouch
pure hare
what are some easy to grind essences I should aim for with a boosted prot war?
left hatch
VoP, Sphere, Lucid and aegis all super easy to get
CnS is bit harder but its probably our strongest minor
and by harder i mean more tedious
left hatch
time gated dailies, like 5 mins of play a day for what 3 weeks?
high sierra
I've been doing those followers missions for atleast 2 weeks now
next to that it took me 1 day to get revered in pretty much everything
maiden ravine
4800 exp for rank 3
So that's 16 days of dailies if you don't get any of the exp items
CNS is the worst needing 1600 rating to make it somewhat reasonable
Sphere is annoying if you don't like bgs
Ooo, mage and warlock PvP nerfs, but frost mage getting a dps buff overall
sick sentinel
Just play horde and then you always win bgs
maiden ravine
Alliance grind still faster
high sierra
do you need sphere for raid?
left hatch
nah in raid Null takes its spot
high sierra
do you use it in M+ ?
warm plinth
I do
left hatch
sphere? yes
warm plinth
Easy to get and solid boost to haste
high sierra
then what do you take out?
warm plinth
You don't use Null in M+
left hatch
^
high sierra
I don't
sharp night
aegis isn't really that good unless you're always pulling 10+ things
warm plinth
Aegis is strong if you consistently pull big but most people don't
sick sentinel
Lucid in general has better verse uptime than aegis unless you are pulling big and consistently
maiden ravine
I'm using the guardian one right now just for resistance haha
left hatch
otherwise its a dead slot :/
sharp night
no
high sierra
really ? i see a lot of people using it
sharp night
it's for CR if you need it and haven't raided or something
left hatch
doesn't make it a good pick lul, i see lots of bad prots using anima minor
sharp night
also it's not "grinding" sphere
you can get r1 in like
an hour
depending on queues
warm plinth
Like the hardest part for most people on R1 sphere is the PvP island
high sierra
already got it
warm plinth
And that's usually because they think you have to PvP in them
high sierra
but is sphere r1 better than aegis r3 ?
sharp night
yes
warm plinth
You get all of Sphere's relevant bonus at R1
sharp night
all you get from r2 is 2 more seconds of duration
left hatch
wardens is meh cause a large portion of the healing is going to be wasted
sharp night
and r3 is speed
high sierra
noice
sharp night
r1 literally gives you everything you need
left hatch
the ONLY time you want to use it is if you need 10 resistance and your entire group is running like... passive essences like VoP or super long cd ones that they consistently blow at the same time
so you have bad uptime on formless void
sharp night
yeah i have hpal healer and 3 dps running 1.5min major and they usually use it all at once so i don't use FV
i don't have enough corruption to warrant running one of the essences but i would use warden if i did
hidden plaza
So rank 1 cns still worth using for m+?
hidden plaza
so what would be the best m+ picks if i dont have cns r2?
hidden plaza
does null have any value for bursting week?
high sierra
I had the worst loot possible from that weekly quest 😢 god damn ichorspine loop
left hatch
no
only time youd use null is high tyranical WCM/ML (only last 2 bosses)
or workshop cause its just a st boss rush
little hatch
What is sphere? This may be stupid. But I'm drawing a blank here
little hatch
Hmmm... I didnt see that in any of the pins.
lean flame
What’s everyone’s thoughts on lucid major over VOP major? I see a lot high io warriors running lucid major
left hatch
it only becomes better than VoP if you're doing very high keys (20+)
make giga pulls (like 5+ packs)
and are in a coordinated group to do those pulls roughly every 2 mins to use it on cd
if you arn't in that situation and absolutely need 40s of critical block and constant ip uptime to live
then VoP is better in every way
the TLDR is if you need to ask about lucid major, you shouldn't be using it lol
lean flame
Thank you Morrison, I am currently running vop major but got roasted by a healer for not running lucid in an 18 sethy. Was just curious as to what you guys suggest
Thank you for your response !
left hatch
18 is borderline, but don't listen to the healer lol
the other side of that coin is Lucid is VERY high skillcap
high sierra
if he was not playing druid, tell him he was not opti
left hatch
its a pain in the ass to make sure you do'nt waste rage with 100APM
lean flame
He was a monk healer lol
high sierra
yeah don't listen to them
left hatch
or roast him for not rolling CoF/CnS major
high sierra
they flykick everywhere
left hatch
cause 'all the highest healers run dps essence major'
lean flame
Lucid major is better for like Rixa in ML on tyran?
warm plinth
Lucid would barely do anything for Rixxa
maiden ravine
I know guardian healing isn't great, but it does show up a lot on logs haha
merry socket
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6NEk95NqtoguBwfx2pgsFX
is this decent?
warm plinth
You use Lucid when you need Avatar up for a long time with BoM to get a lot of crit blocks
wicked abyss
Hello, Is there any haste cap on prot warrior?
warm plinth
No there is not
wicked abyss
So i should just love my haste and stack it forever?
lean flame
And crit my dude
warm plinth
As long as you're not sacrificing item level, pretty much.
maiden ravine
Ilvl over haste, but yeah
wicked abyss
Yeah, stacking ilvl first
warm plinth
Haste/crit for M+, haste/vers for raids typically
maiden ravine
Is it ilvl over traits a lot too on azerite?
wicked abyss
i got 34% haste 21% crit, should i balce more?
warm plinth
On everything except your first DC, yes
lean flame
Too much haste imo
warm plinth
There's no such thing as too much haste
lean flame
34% baseline is a lot though yeah?
warm plinth
I would love to have 34% baseline haste
maiden ravine
I'll cry if they ever take my itf
ionic fern
Well...at 169% haste your SB CD will be 6 seconds
maiden ravine
Gib me
ionic fern
Good luck achieving that constantly.
maiden ravine
I wonder if you can stack enough VR and haste % to get close
VR9, who cares about thing when you have 50% vers
maiden ravine
TD 6 alone is gonna be nutty
I really think VR will be the craziest when you're averaging 1220 in all secondaries when it procs
left hatch
oh woops
high sierra
is it seen as racist to only take rdruids this week? cause that bursting hurts
left hatch
maybe it was 200% for every cd inside ava
ionic fern
left hatch
i meannnn plenty of lfg groups won't take "insert class here" because of a stigma around it being bad
warm plinth
We run with a holy pally; she handles bursting fine
maiden ravine
I think I like paladins the best this week
ionic fern
Holy pallys are good indeed
maiden ravine
I would take any healer with a decent Rio though
high sierra
well the one I was with had 23k hps in a +9 so I was quite sad
while healing 6 stacks of bursting on 5 ppl ofc
so you can imagine how bad he was
maiden ravine
6 stacks oof
maiden ravine
I wouldn't trust any healer with 6 unless I knew them well
high sierra
most of the time the whole group can survive 7 or 8 stacks if you don't have to much time between kills
maiden ravine
My cap is 4, 5 at most
high sierra
I trust my dps more than my healer
ionic fern
If you stagger even 5 is deadly. If you do it decently you can go above 10 if healer is good.
naive panther
so i'm assuming i cleanse that ring and use it. it's the only then you ring i have
and i don't have socketed rings
maiden ravine
I wonder how much leech that'd have to be for us to even consider it
undone sun
🤦♂️
high sierra
can someone explain to me why my hpal with a 465 weapon don't enchant it ? am I missing something ? is it that expensive?
maiden ravine
laziness, and the 3-5k price tag
left hatch
arn't weapon enchants like 2k?
warm plinth
Depends on realm a lot
strong forum
Cuz he's inting
warm plinth
My realm right now I can get an enchant for like 900g. But on my alliance realm it's like 7k sometimes
maiden ravine
My main is an enchanter so I have no idea on costs
left hatch
^ i roll ench/herbing on all my toons
high sierra
people not enchating weapons above 450 are just lazy pricks to me
strong forum
Weapon enchants are like 2k
high sierra
especially that hpal with his bis 465 weapon
strong forum
cries in 445 weapon but 468 equipped
warm plinth
I do like...probably 10+ keys a week
warm plinth
I get loot. It's just not upgrades. And I think I can count on 1 hand the number of corrupted items my group has gotten since the start of the season from M+
strong forum
Corrupted loot from m+ is a myth
All my corrupted stuff is from visions weekly chest or ah
hidden plaza
Twilight dev is a myth mastery stat bonus isnt 😦
naive panther
well i just got that corrupted ring, but leech..
i thought same before
i also have an 8% leech bracer...
if i wear both 19% leech haha
and corruption lvl i can handle
maiden ravine
I saw a ret paladin get vr3 boots in a 14 fh while already wearing 470 td3 boots
I was tempted to ask for them
sharp night
why wouldn't you ask for them
maiden ravine
Cause why would he share a r3 corruption
sharp night
because he doesn't need it?
sharp night
i have a 465 mecha ring with the "use 3 abilities" that has a VR2 on it
maiden ravine
Maybe he gets a td3 ring
sharp night
because the dps in my group that got it gave it to me since he had a 465 "attack from behind"
sharp night
if you have something like td3 you're not gonna swap it for a VR
high sierra
16k hps on the MK3 in workshop, I wanna cry
maiden ravine
Yeah. I mean I have some td3 pants I'm not using cause they're 445
I have to resim but it wasn't as good as the other set up I have
high sierra
just got a +10 WM
I'm scared
I can already feel those dps doing way too much aoe
and Morrison was right, strangely I've never felt so invincible as in this +9 workshop with my r1 sphere
with a 461 16k hps hpal
warm plinth
The only really sketchy parts for bursting are initial pull and the dogs in the courtyard. Everything else that could be potentially scary doesn't burst.
high sierra
all those adds before Raal ? pretty sure I'm gonna fck up something there
atleast it's not SOTS
warm plinth
The maggots in the hallway don't burst, which is what most of the mobs are.
The ones in his room should live long enough that people can kill them properly
high sierra
that's a bold claim considering I only do full pugs, but I like it
im gonna try it, after all it can't be worse than this hpal
maiden ravine
Waycrest is only dangerous after third boss and room before tree if you pull too many dogs
4th boss sorry
Was thinking second to last haha
I did a 6 wm on my lower geared bear and 3 chested while having a blast
sharp night
you can split up the pulls in raal's room if you aren't comfortable with people aoeing anyway
but the mobs have staggered enough hp
it's likely they'll kill half and then the others will still be at high hp so there won't be refreshes
esp since nobody ever focus targets the leapers which have the highest hp so they're still alive at the end when everything else is dead
maiden ravine
Wm is my favorite dungeons
It's not a bad path either this week, you go down stairs right first
And the downstairs door to coven is open
maiden ravine
Oh, I could have sworn it was weekly
sharp night
bottomright first = bottom door to coven open
topright first = top path only for coven
maiden ravine
Top right first is the worst path right?
maiden ravine
I do hate they force you to do the kitchen
maiden ravine
People never stun the infeste
maiden ravine
They do neither
sharp night
there's only 1 infest in there and you can handle it as the tank
2 of the 3 packs dont' have an infested worm
maiden ravine
I thought they all did, haha
sharp night
so you're basically blaming other people for something you can handle by yourself
in every group lol
warm plinth
There's a buff that shows on my nameplates on the one that infests
maiden ravine
I swear I've seen pulls where 2 or 3 people get infested when I've dps'd
sharp night
not from kitchen
in the hallways around raal every pack of maggots has 1 infested worm so you need multiple kicks
if you pull more than 1 pack at a time
maiden ravine
Okay, good then.
I literally thought all worms could cast it.
But I haven't had the chance to do wm much
sharp night
the ones that can infest have a buff called parasitic on them
use nameplates that show them for easy management
maiden ravine
I haven't messed with plates since threat plates stopped working, been slacking on changing ui stuff
It's tough to get experience with all dungeons when half your keys are motherlode and told dagor
I'm sitting on a 12 motherlode right now after having a 15 earlier this week
exotic spoke
Sup qtpies
sick sentinel
👋
tame garden
👋
glass sequoia
when it comes to M+, how valuable is BoM?
trying to compare some meh 480 pieces vs. 465s with BoM/Heart
maiden ravine
No gym tonight cause I already went, excited to do some dungeons and assaults
I think ilvl still wins
Unless you lose your only deafening
glass sequoia
I was thinking the same, just wanted to see if anyone had exp otherwise
maiden ravine
15 ilvls of stamina, armor, and str is gigantic
glass sequoia
yep, losing like 20k of hp and strength seems too imbalanced for a mastery proc that has ~50% uptime at best for me
glass sequoia
yeah, I'm not running Vision major, and I'm still working on making good use of AM for maximum Avatar uptime
pure hare
I have to say, this is the best class discord I've ever been a part of. You guys are so helpful and nice. Other discords people scold you just for asking a question
So thank you everyone ❤️ happy Friday!
glass sequoia
maiden ravine
You missed the toxicity earlier haha
maiden ravine
People being mean to the bad people who play this game. Which are everywhere
I mean it was meant as a matter of fact thing, and I'm mostly joking
opal python
so what's a good avg overall dps for 15s?
left hatch
50k+
if you're breaking 40k though you're on the right track and just need to pull bigger
opal python
yh think i need to drop one of my tanking trinks for torment. get that extra bit in as mitigation is alright.
left hatch
im running wrathion + rezans as my tank trinkets and its working fine
opal python
getting around 46k mostly
left hatch
havn't gotten a vita yet
opal python
i've got wrath trink, but currently im going psychic shell 470 with leach on it + either sporepods or butchers block
opal python
yh sporepods is shit tbh, ain't as good as it used to be and its mostly the butchers block i use or wrath trink with the psychic shell
maiden ravine
And off of work!
opal python
oh im maining a prot in 8.3 so didn't know, thought it was good :P
left hatch
no its been consistently awful
opal python
but gonna go shell + torment. found that shell really helps with some high keys and cd is nice
maiden ravine
Unless you're a PvP dh
left hatch
and honestly psychic shell wont shine till higher keys
if you don't need teh absorb to survive burst damage
like high tyranical tank busters
you'll get more outta wrathion
opal python
hmm will try it out
maiden ravine
I need to pug heroic Wrathion
left hatch
so id use Wrathion + block for like 90% of keys at a 15 level
maiden ravine
Or mythic even
left hatch
ehhhh dps wise youd probably wanna go torment + block
but id sim it
iv heard mixed things about how strong torment is
opal python
i mean i was thinking torment for dps and then for overall defensive/offensie wrath
left hatch
block is on par with wrathion for defense
grand spruce
I've taken to tanking more often on my warr and I feel like I'm generally terrible at it. One healer straight up told me it's like his healing is making no difference and I seem to have rage issues despite not using revenge at all. Any suggestions on how I can improve?
dawn jasper
Practice on lower keys and work your way up. Check online for recommended gear, essences, etc to make sure you're specced out right. It'll come in time.
sharp night
torment is legit insane, nothing even comes close to it for pure aoe dps
nimble brook
I'm getting close to 40k dps overall but 25-30% of my dmg is TD3 lol
once I get the next cloak upgrade, I can run both TD3 and EV2 while staying under 60 corruption. wonder if I should just go with that for more dps while saving SR for TFB
I've been running under 40 corruption because I haven't been wanting to deal with TFB
nimble brook
that's nuts
sick sentinel
19 waycrest
opal python
hmm how many tds you stacking @sick sentinel ?
and is that with spell reflect wa for details? ^
sick sentinel
no corruption
sick sentinel
4m
distant crystal
maiden ravine
I swear long night makes sanity drain faster on top of cutting the cap in half
my mage struggled trying to just do trade and mage districts
distant crystal
it just looks faster cause each bar pixel is half as much
sharp night
mage is the hardest district so that's not really a surprise either
maiden ravine
it is the one that gives the easiest mask
so that's why I was trying it
but no, I was just struggling like never before to even do the trash to get to trade
was weird
sharp night
i would have gone the other first and then used that mask to get mage
maiden ravine
I guess haha
sharp night
using long night and then going mage is like hard throw
maiden ravine
I'll just get both org masks on Tuesday
I already know I suck at casters haha
and with blizzard's spaghetti code, they very well could have messed long night up
pure hare
Whats our haste cap?
undone sun
isn't one
maiden ravine
sim yourself for dps
mortal brook
600% haste is full TC every gcd. i wouldnt go beyond that, you'd get less returns
brazen lion
Is coral still strong?
mortal brook
yup still pretty strong
sick sentinel
Fuck coral
coral blows
hey
can we reflect the consume debuff on junkyard
from the big green slimes
mortal brook
mortal brook
#268491842637660160 has a reflect list
primal rain
why is pressing devastate so boring
Booming voice is so fun. But pressing Devastate is so depressing
nimble mauve
How do the boys feel about ritual bandage trinket for keys?
I've been using it but I might be a dumbass
mortal brook
do you think you need it? are you planning pulls around it?
nimble mauve
Hell yeah brother. I drop that bad boi on spirit breaker casts and bigger pulls after shield wall falls off
I get like a 263k shield at 465 ilvl
mortal brook
sounds solid then. what are you giving up in return?
and would that other thing give bigger benefit
nimble mauve
Briny barnacle sims high, often makes up 5-6% of my overall damage. A possible gleaming eye/wrathion trink (460) if I was to loot those
I have a 475 block atm as my other trinket
I'm not sure if the shield is big enough/useful enough to use over a damage trinket ya know
mortal brook
talk with your heals, weigh that 6% dmg to however much healin and extra pulling the trinkets letting you do then. sounds like you're using it with high value
maiden ravine
Oh boy, when people expect you to do some niche strat on Siege that is risky as fuck
mortal brook
spotters?
nimble mauve
Hmm. I will look into it further. Thank you!
haughty forum
Figured I'd come here and brag about the two trinkets I got in 14 Motherlode with a bonus token.
mortal brook
B I G buttons
maiden ravine
I guess spotters. I've yet to ever do it that way. I don't care if it speeds shit up, you don't do it in a 13 with pugs
carmine wadi
left hatch
the big spotter strat was on bolstering
where you took him to last boss
that was interesting if he got too close
distant crystal
bolstering tyrannical 👌
maiden ravine
yeah, nah, I don't care. I will not deal with 40% of that dungeon dodging spotters when there's enough crap to do there.
and then they complain when they die when they pull for me
"We've been dying to other trash packs, perhaps let the tank dictate a pace rather than rushing and causing more deaths"
I had a fun moment when I was trying to do the tide break mechanic, got too close to the statue and got summoned by the boss
opal python
Does TD benefit from crit?
maiden ravine
yep
sick sentinel
crit and vers
maiden ravine
crit, verse, haste all increase it
opal python
Was thinking maybe rolling with a little crit stacking corruption with it then.
opal python
expedient or whatever its called. Might be decent in m+ even outside td procs
maiden ravine
but yeah, I really don't like the spotter strat in Siege and I'd probably never even bother with it under like 20
it just adds too much chaos to pug world
opal python
Lol
Do you do spider with last boss in siege? It fucked up my 16 earlier
Entire run went well but spider fucked us hard
maiden ravine
no, we didn't
opal python
Yh too much going on that way. Spider interrupts and people not focusing on demos so more than one spawning.
It's stressful af
sick sentinel
fear is probably the only think you do
maiden ravine
haha, the 13 was so far over it wasn't even more valuable than a 11 2 chest, oh well
I dunno, we'd have timed it if we had done it "plain"
marble cipher
What's the best 500iq way to do the two pillars in the same room in KR?
Take one just in that room, next one to skip to council?
Or take one to skip to council, trigger bridge, take portal back to other pillar, take that pillar to Zul bridge?
light ledge
tbh, if people dont kick spider just leave
hallow phoenix
What I've been doing is taking one to the halfway point on the bridge, then going back and taking the other to council
strong forum
Take 1 all the way to 3rd boss, then go back, take the other zul
This way you can skip entire bridge
All you need to do then is pull 1 zerker
hallow phoenix
I've also heard people send their party to zul while in nyalotha and the tank triggers slime boss, and the eyeballs teleport to the party and the tank just kites back to them
marble cipher
K, so no single pack on bridge then? Just the patrolling big boi?
light ledge
tbh i really like awakened
marble cipher
Including all big Bois at start?
strong forum
Yup
strong forum
Ye we typically pull all 4 and lust
maiden ravine
the bigbois are easy
maiden ravine
I've been skipping the first bridge mob, but I don't know