i have raden's titan shard 445 , the eye from rezan 440 , the trinket from court ( EP , but it doesnt stack with titanshard , with socket btw 430) and the wrathion's trinket 445 aswell .
#protection
hallow phoenix
What do you mean doesn't stack
vapid loom
u cant put the titanshard and the trinket from the court
brittle owl
and which titanshard
vapid loom
[Void-Twisted Titanshard]
mortal brook
void is the poop. my condolences
brittle owl
unironically delete it, not even worth the gold
vapid loom
no it says u can equip onkly one leviathan
mortal brook
you wont see uptime on the crit is the main issue. the absorb is weak af
vapid loom
smnth like that
brittle owl
yeah thats your gems
ionic fern
^
brittle owl
you can't have more than 1 str gem of a type equipped
mortal brook
120 str gem unique
vapid loom
lol
mortal brook
solved
mortal brook
but dont use the void one
hallow phoenix
Anyway I would use rezan and scale
brittle owl
for general purpose ^
vapid loom
[Edicts of the Faithless] 430 + socket / [Rezan's Gleaming Eye] 440 and [Humming Black Dragonscale] 445
hallow phoenix
I hit 185% haste during lust today with those two
ionic fern
Out of curiosity tho - which guide did you read that suggested anima minor @vapid loom ?
hallow phoenix
Was awkward to play
vapid loom
@ionic fern it was the wowhead's one and another 2 i found online but it seems they got updated cause i checked em after release of raid
hallow phoenix
I almost wanted to just spam only clap but couldn't quite do it
ionic fern
@hallow phoenix at 430% haste TC has 1.1s CD, that was fun.
brittle owl
wowhead guide never suggested anima minor. it was only there with the major at the start of 8.2 afaik bcs people didnt test it thoroughly
hallow phoenix
That's ridiculous lol
vapid loom
i think i am good with stats so far 😛 > 455ilvl ( crit 925/haste 1357 w/o intoi the fray stacks/mastery 584 and versa 1320 ) 😛
ionic fern
i THINK that was in Avatar. Don't quote me on that tho since i got feared right after and lost all my stacks. 😂
hallow phoenix
RIP
vapid loom
oh i got a serious question as well .. should i go for alchemist stone? i am alche btw
brittle owl
don't think about your stats too much tayr
they matter very little in the grand scheme of things
hallow phoenix
Do you have the finished void focus
vapid loom
the r3 no
brittle owl
alch stone is def a decent trink
hallow phoenix
Alch trinket isn't bad
hallow phoenix
You could definitely get it and use it over your other trinkets
I very much liked alch stone when I was an alchemist
Has anyone played around with void major
rapid tide
@ionic fern you told me earlier to thank you later, so thank you.
hallow phoenix
Awww
rapid tide
idd 😄
@hallow phoenix our tank (DK tho) tried formless major to get beam/blood and he said he really enjoys it.
sweet summit
Mwahi you have a junkyard route?¿
ionic fern
Yes
rapid tide
But then again I don't think they benefit too much from VoP as we do.
sweet summit
Mind sharing it with me? ♥️
rapid tide
(or other majors)
hallow phoenix
Yeah but bdk usually runs like CoF right
ionic fern
Sure @sweet summit
rapid tide
But I can imagine getting a bote and going avatar => bote => TC spam to be juicy.
hallow phoenix
Because they don't have the awesome that is avatar vop
ionic fern
It's a meme btw - not a serious route.
rapid tide
So I think for us it's kinda yikes as we benefit too much from VoP.
ionic fern
I will be honest with you - when it comes to these "roam around dungeons" like Freehold/Junkyard i'm a slacker and rarely ever do a route.
😂
sweet summit
Only dungeon i dont do a route for is wcm
hallow phoenix
A decent route was posted though
ionic fern
Or that jeah.
rapid tide
@sweet summit https://wago.io/039c4QfvG this one should at least be decent this week.
Might need to adjust a bit but it's similar to ours.
hallow phoenix
Wcm I just always check how much % is gotten in the sub basement and wing it from there
rapid tide
I would probably not kill all the spiderbots tho.
rapid tide
Yes, that's why I said 😄
sweet summit
Ty @rapid tide ♥️
hallow phoenix
So we're three tanking hivemind and I really hate it
hallow phoenix
Yeah and grips (bdk)
rapid tide
Generally what we do: Go to pillar 1 north => drag it into the cave behind trogg => clear there (bots) => clear around boss => boss => go back through pillar => go towards double boss => clear only the spider left of the boss + stuff running around => boss => go down to last boss => take pillar on the street to the third one (bottom one), into the corner (only clear 1 pack there) => take that pillar to the 4th one => that that pillar into final boss room
sweet summit
I played blood dps on that fight. That was fun
rapid tide
Fill percent with all the fking patrols running around you are gonna pull anyways.
I would do a route in MDT but at work right now.
sweet summit
Same
ionic fern
We also 3 tanked Hivemind . 👀
hallow phoenix
But he was struggling to stay alive so we had our monk grab the ravager and bdk takes kazoo for a while
hallow phoenix
I'd rather he just go DPS. We have two DKs for grips
sweet summit
Frost is amazing for deleting ravagers
Unholy is amazing for deleting drones
Blood dps pipes tho
ionic fern
TD is amazing for deleting everything.
hallow phoenix
They already put me on Tetris duty so I can't even tclap adds
ionic fern
I'll get 80k+ this week hopefully. 👀
sweet summit
Oops
hallow phoenix
Rosjen the problem is our bdk went full turtle
sweet summit
If you say he took vop major
hallow phoenix
Because he was struggling with survival
sweet summit
Ill lose it
hallow phoenix
He's cns major
maiden ravine
YOU GUYS LIED TO ME
hallow phoenix
Raid leads call
sweet summit
Okok
maiden ravine
if you skip the vol'kall trash you can't get near that GATE AT ALL
sweet summit
Double grip, thats fine
hallow phoenix
Hi Kyle
ionic fern
Ofc you can't. 👀 You turn the boss before the gate.
rapid tide
You can get there.
hallow phoenix
Yeah corruptions might pull through it
rapid tide
as soon as the gate is up.
maiden ravine
nop
rapid tide
Just don't be there when it's down or when you have corruptions being yikes.
hallow phoenix
And some class abilities do too
maiden ravine
can't go near it
ionic fern
You definetly CAN pull through the gate.
hallow phoenix
It's like tol dagor
maiden ravine
yep, so can't go near it at all anymore
hallow phoenix
"wall"
rapid tide
A physical (or not physical) entity that stops you from passing through it but will let objects, projectiles and effects pass through it (or not, that depends on the moon phase)
rapid tide
I just don't even go near it.
sharp night
i just follow the inner triangle on the ground when kiting him around
rapid tide
Makes my life easier.
maiden ravine
nope, with TD, EV, and other stuff, I won't even think of getting near it anymore
sharp night
like the triangle that the totems make
and it's completely fine
never had a problem
rapid tide
Ye, I just make the triangle a bit smaller
hallow phoenix
TD can be aimed
hallow phoenix
Just don't look at the pack outside and it doesn't exist
rapid tide
TD can be aimed sometimes.
maiden ravine
that's what I'll do from now on, sucks to lose a key from that
rapid tide
😄
sharp night
i mean it's kinda common sense in wow
not to do things right next to walls
because stuff always pulls through walls
maiden ravine
If only that trash pack wasn't pure aids cause I'd rather just kill it haha
So, if you pull a Lieutenant during a boss on Tyrannical, is that Lieu buffed?
sweet summit
No
sharp night
they aren't affected by any affixes
boss adds aren't affected by tyrannical either in most cases
sweet summit
The smallies do give on-death affixes
sharp night
yeah
maiden ravine
so killing blob with Yazma on a Tyrannical week isn't an instant death sentence eh?
sweet summit
Its hard, for sure
sharp night
small things aren't considered exempt for whatever reason
sweet summit
With good coordination, is possible
sharp night
i don't like doing slime with yazma because i have to move more with slime than i do with yaz herself
but it's definitely something doable
sweet summit
Spiders are nearly invisible in the slime poo
maiden ravine
but then you gotta do a reanimated pull
sweet summit
Have one person pull the pack away
You guys enter
He dies
He enters from another obelisk
maiden ravine
feels degenerate to have to do that twice in one dungeon
sweet summit
3 times tbh
sweet summit
Yea
maiden ravine
what's the third?
sharp night
every pillar except the first one
sweet summit
Middle, top and right
maiden ravine
oh right, you guys do a big pull on the bottom
sweet summit
Double pack left w hero
sharp night
i triple pack
maiden ravine
I'll admit, I haven't done that trash much, the abilities scare me
sweet summit
Ah
sharp night
and then kill confessors alone
easier on our kicks that way
don't have to worry about controlling everything
sweet summit
We just have our rogue solo the confessor and ill take augur
Guess we could do 3 pack and then a confessor alone after actually
maiden ravine
I think I'll keep doing the first two reanimateds until I get a more set group
leaden grail
? Could just pull 2 packs without CC then, no?
sharp night
we can have a ranged standing up on that stairs
sweet summit
Thats what i usually do ye
sweet summit
If you dont "bait" the charge, you wipe lol
sharp night
well i mean
the way we were doing it originally
we had ranged stand out but have to actually dodge the charges
since no rdru
sweet summit
Ooh
sweet summit
Yup
sharp night
and the juggs stay in pack and we can aoe everything
sweet summit
God bless spaghet code sometimes
sharp night
ye it makes things way easier
sweet summit
I swear, ad is so much easier then you snap and "reverse snap"
maiden ravine
if you do that entire wing you don't need to do as much dino/bridge trash
sweet summit
I dont do em
sharp night
we tried it a bit last season before awakened
sweet summit
Same
sharp night
like 1 out of 20 tries
we would kill that pack flawlessly
every other attempt was miserable failure
sweet summit
I like those odds
maiden ravine
going from a non timed 11 to a non timed 13 is only 20 rio, but still better than nothing
sweet summit
Nice 
maiden ravine
My best "ranking" is still this +12 TD haha
4k more people have timed a 14 workshop or better than have timed a 12 TD
maiden ravine
I have to do a better Underrot. That's an easy 40 rio
rapid tide
Ye, UR is quite simple to time, too.
sweet summit
I love underrot
maiden ravine
I've been struggling with UR because there's so many weird bounces back and forth you gotta do
rapid tide
Mhm?
sweet summit
Not really
rapid tide
It's quite straight forward.
maiden ravine
Like you do almost all the trash before going back and doing second boss
sweet summit
You dont need hero on first boss. I hero the first pack i pull so we have hero @ 2nd boss
maiden ravine
waiting on lust
sweet summit
Hero=lust sorry i play ally
sharp night
tbh we don't even play lust on 2nd boss tyr
rapid tide
Kill grub + matron + ticks => Pillar => boss (Hero1) => take 3 blobs => clear boss room => pillar to right pack behind worm => clear up to 3rd boss => back to 2nd boss (hero) => 3rd boss (no hero) => go right do pillar there => go left clear to pillar => pull pillar to the 2 guys before endboss => kill them => clear some worms for % => endboss (hero).
That's what we do.
maiden ravine
Like last time I tried we had 5 minutes still to go after clearing the trash to second boss
we ended up doing an ob to third boss and clearing some trash after third boss even
rapid tide
That's a lower key then.
sharp night
yeah
rapid tide
If oyu have 4+ minutes left you just do boss without.
maiden ravine
it was an 11, we still failed cause people couldn't do third boss
sharp night
we normally have 3.5 min on lust
when we finish clearing trash in 2nd boss room
and i would rather not backtrack
so we just kill boss without
maiden ravine
once we weren't going to time the Quel'thalas player D/C'd
rapid tide
On our 18 tyra we had ~3 minutes left after clearing 2nd room
rapid tide
So we did pillar + clear to boss 3 and it went nicely.
rapid tide
On high tyra I really want lust on boss 2.
sharp night
idk we were doing like 21 tyr UR last season with no lust 2nd boss lol
maiden ravine
I don't know if I want to repush my key or just pug others keys
rapid tide
But maybe also depends on your group and how it deals with tantrum.
sharp night
yeah
sweet summit
Idk i pull matron onto the 4pack before bridge and lust there
sharp night
our group is solid at handling tantrum so it's fine
maiden ravine
cause even doing a 12 ML is hell to me
sweet summit
The n do pat+ticks
sweet summit
Then pillar to boss
sharp night
i used to do that but
high fort is scary on that pack now
people get rooted into charge + cleave
dead
rapid tide
^
sharp night
so now it's just
sweet summit
Displacement abilities
rapid tide
We don't have pala or monk
sharp night
matron+maggot+ticks
rapid tide
So we avoid that and do what vince just said.
sweet summit
Rip
sharp night
but anyway we do 2nd boss no lust
rapid tide
We tend to run with a disc here and there.
sharp night
and then do double pull skele + worm
rapid tide
So we have a displacement
sharp night
with lust after boss
maiden ravine
I need to get all 13s timed if I want 1600 this week
rapid tide
doable, this week is big push week.
sharp night
yea
maiden ravine
yeah, but I work the next 5 nights. 😿
maiden ravine
5 nights takes us through Tuesday
maiden ravine
I'll get a few more dungeons done for sure
I'm spending too much time doing dailies on alts cause I'm an altoholic
sharp night
what dailies are you doing
unless you're playing at same level as your main you shouldn't do more than the daily minivisions
and the assaults
waste of time to do the actual daily quests etc
maiden ravine
well mage and druid are starting "late" so I'm having to do nazj dailies for lucid pearl
maiden ravine
I need to keep working on mechagon eventually for revered
And I've been doing at least the uldum dailies for accord rep and rank 3 breath
cause you know, 10% dps from a minor is good
sharp night
yeah
i mean it's 5% even without r3
and i haven't done a single daily since patch launched
mortal brook
null does no damage outside of r3
maiden ravine
watch me put all this effort into my warrior, and turn around and just prefer druid
sharp night
but i'm still halfway through honored
maiden ravine
no, alts need mechagon to upgrade PP
hallow phoenix
20 sounds right
mortal brook
nah its 20 now
rapid tide
Still 40 it seems based on wowhead?
leaden grail
I got just enough to buy vop and null barrier r3 from the daily wq+the 150 prototype thingy
sharp night
cause i had actually gone to farm all the crates for both main and offspec after getting exalted
rapid tide
Okay so 32 crates + 14 galvanics.
sharp night
on all 12 chars
rapid tide
I miiiiight just have that.
leaden grail
Started at 0
maiden ravine
Still should be account wide to at least rank 2
Like I don't have any raid essences on any of my characters
and the idea of doing it on multiple, yuck
sharp night
idk why ion thinks essences are anything like gear
should just be fully accwide
maybe not r4
since it's just cosmetic
but i don't think rep essences should be paragon rng either
sharp night
paragon r4 is such a meme
i've literally been farming paragon boxes in mecha since 8.2 started
maiden ravine
I don't have any of them yet
sharp night
and still don't have either r4
hallow phoenix
I still need vision rank 4
maiden ravine
my R4s are lucid, ripple, and CoF
maiden ravine
I wish ripple was worth a damn
maiden ravine
it's 24k damage every 60s single target
hallow phoenix
NVM
hallow phoenix
10% DR pog
hallow phoenix
Yeah but vop can't teleport you
maiden ravine
haha
hallow phoenix
Checkmate
mortal brook
how else will i frustrate my melee during 3rd workshop boss beams
maiden ravine
the 700 str on average if you can proc it every 30s isn't terrible if people wanted primary stat
hallow phoenix
Just leap it
mortal brook
but formless would do just as well plus the haste, and wv could be 1200
both better uptimes
maiden ravine
I just want ripple to be good cause it's one of my few r4s
hallow phoenix
I still use my opulence helm every day for that speed gem
Speed is my favorite tertiary stat
I believe for a while my mage had 120% move speed
Which was awesome
mortal brook
2 longstrider atm
maiden ravine
I kinda like that you can choose between Worldvein or Conflict on guardian
as a major
ionic fern
You can choose on warrior also.👀
mortal brook
conflict major for baer isnt fantastic. they're still wv/vop/anima
mortal brook
aye
maiden ravine
isn't the CnF major a massive AoE boost if you keep uptime?
mortal brook
not comparatively no
cuz you gotta maul and thats a massive aoe trash
maybe for island memes but id still want anima for that
maiden ravine
ah, well guess it's good my druid is getting WV3 this week
I hate that I have yet to see anyone running it in m+ though
brisk sparrow
can I trust raidbots when it comes to simming dps trinkets as tank? Or does the warning more or less mean I have to trust the bloodmallet charts?^^
sharp night
the warning is telling you that it only sims your dps
so yes you can follow sims for damage
brisk sparrow
There is a warning for dps trinkets specifically, that they normally don't drop for my spec and might return false values
sharp night
i mean bloodmallet uses the same engine as raidbots for their sims so
also i haven't seen that warning
brisk sparrow
okay, could have been they use other values for procs or something...I don't even know if blizzard still changes proc rates for tanks^^
maiden ravine
sims do tell me to use td2 and ta2 over just td3
since td3 is on 445 pants I guess
mortal brook
prob this. just means its not necessarily a tank trinket. itll sim fine tho
brisk sparrow
oh okay thank you, I was trying to get a screenshot aswell^^
maiden ravine
who uses tank trinkets in 2020. 😄
brisk sparrow
I thought a few weeks ago the warning was a bit longer^^
ionic fern
It just warns you that they might not be impelemnted correctly..e.g instead of holding for specific times to use the trinket it uses it on cd..or not at all.
Coral is impelemented tho.
And most other "decent" trinkets out there.
The rest are "use on cd".
brisk sparrow
Cool, thanks a lot 🙂 Coral is used with avatar if I remember right, right?^^
maiden ravine
wait, we have times outside of avatar? 😛
ionic fern
Roughly yes,at like 8 stacks. If you got inkpod you keep it until inkpod is about to go off and use it right before for big crits.
brisk sparrow
I really have to remind myself using coral with cds...inkpod seems to have damaged my brain somehow
thanks again 🙂
and I unfortunately have to use tank trinkets sometimes - my gear is shit and my guild is pretty casual - so wrathion kills me on heroic otherwise xD
sharp night
press a cd
maiden ravine
ugh, don't make me want to get my horde characters caught up cause I have always loved seraphim
sharp night
what does horde have to do with sera lol
brisk sparrow
I use cds, but with damage gear I often sit at 30% health between breaths...and that is not enough
maiden ravine
That's where my paladin is, but he's so far behind haha
ionic fern
👀
maiden ravine
I tried playing both factions early on
sharp night
oh
brisk sparrow
heals seem to be a bit overwhelmed
mortal brook
ask for external
maiden ravine
I like tanking, but there's no way I keep 6 of them relevant at once.
sharp night
there's like 10 sec between breaths and they can't top you off? o_o
mortal brook
hell nah, esp with essence and cloak grind
maiden ravine
ugh, I would if essences were account wide
brisk sparrow
yeah that is the problem somehow^^
maiden ravine
I'd play all the characters
mortal brook
maiden ravine
except 8.3.5 isn't happening
mortal brook
I can dream
mortal brook
im pretty good with tonkadin until SLands tbh
maiden ravine
they changed the link if you go through haha
mortal brook
sharp night
essences accountwide (and removed) in 9.0 shadowlands prepatch
maiden ravine
haha
mortal brook
lol
maiden ravine
they've said we keep our essences, they just stop working in the shadowlands
brisk sparrow
is there a rough estamition how much damage should be mitgated per fight?
maiden ravine
well it'll still be brokenly good in timewalking
brittle owl
and it makes no sense to think about it this way
maiden ravine
I will cry when they nerf all the corruptions
brittle owl
tanking is binary, you're either alive or not
mortal brook
champion, you gotta use your artifact heart to channel into the sword of sargeras helm of domination!
brittle owl
if you're a nightmare to heal because you play improperly, you will inevitably die during the fight
maiden ravine
Cause you know damn well people would use TD3 on a 445 ring even at 800 ilvl if left as is
brittle owl
if you don't die, you can assume you did your job properly defensive wise for the encounter
mortal brook
theyll just change corruption to not work past 51, np
sharp night
rather than nerf it
brittle owl
@maiden ravine there's the lvl 60 squish to take into account as well
shit will be wonky af on prepatch
maiden ravine
probably the latter, and they'll just nerf the raid by 20%
sharp night
raid won't even need a nerf by that time, it'll have gone through so many nerfs
brisk sparrow
hmm okay thanks^^
carmine wadi
Are you guys using EV still in M+?
maiden ravine
Scared of what an August pre-patch will mean, but still excited.
I use TD2 with TA2 right now
I have TD3 but sims say it's not better
sharp night
i don't know if they're gonna do prepatch in aug
that seems early considering how late alpha is
iirc legion alpha was in like nov the year before it launched
and prepatch was in jul with launch at end of aug?
bfa had a shorter release cycle with alpha early feb and prepatch/launch around the same time as legion but you can tell what a huge mess it was
they screwed up azerite so bad they had to essentially throw away their dev and add stuff like essences in 8.2
maiden ravine
that's why I'm saying alpha this month with a pre-patch a month later would give them their 6 months
sharp night
yeah but if they follow taht release cycle then SL will be as unfinished as BFA
and just as bad
maiden ravine
6 months is average. BfA was the shortest at 5 months
Legion had a relatively long testing cycle of 8.5 months but it was a special case of them cutting the last half of WoD
Blizzard has kinda put themselves in a box of either releasing late September, or right after Blizzcon and delaying raid til January or something.
sharp night
oh well with 8.3.5 not existing i guess they can put all dev into SL
mortal brook
its a different team anywho yeah?
maiden ravine
book releases are a bit up in the air, they've released the pre-expansion books anywhere from right with pre-patch to 5 months before, but usually it's closer to pre-patch than not.
I just think with them basically saying MDI ends before Blizzcon is admission that we'll be in 9.0 and past first raid before Blizzcon.
carmine wadi
maybe they´ll bring 8.4 but no 8.3.5
clever move
Ion only told "there will be no 8.3.5"
mortal brook
8.3.5.1 out soon™️
hybrid echo
The beta is usually out for 6 months
This is "only" an alpha build
My guess is, SL wont be out untill Q4
maiden ravine
With the new way of them not really declaring betas, treat alpha as the start
mortal brook
maybe like reforged. theyll promise it in Q4 and then release it in Q1
we can finally beat HFC's record of 14 months!
maiden ravine
I think they're going for the shortest since Vanilla Naxx haha.
To just forget BfA ever happened
if there's a datamined build by the end of the month, I'm putting last Tuesday or August or first Tuesday of September.
hybrid echo
I didn't play more than the first 2 months of WoD, so the HFC drought didn't bother me 😂
mortal brook
shortest? so CoS. cuz i went in there once
maiden ravine
I mean shortest final tier
mortal brook
I loved WoD era. I had a full year of literally solo eating 40 man premades in ashran. it was the best year
hybrid echo
I hated that expansion - felt like the biggest bait ever. One of the best cinematics they ever made. Lore was garbage for the expansion (imo), and it was very lackluster in content. I didn't enjoy Highmaul, so I quit :p - started early Legion again, and haven't stopped since :p
Literally the only expansion that made me quit the game
mortal brook
good times. miss em.
maiden ravine
WoD questing was great, I loved my garrisons
Give me WoD with m+ and I'd probably have been very happy
mortal brook
m+ grimrail would be the bee's knees
hybrid echo
Tmk, WoD started out with a huge resurgence of players, peaking at like 11 mil subs, only to drop down to about 4-5 mil subs half a year later
maiden ravine
That's cause they literally had nothing to do besides raiding
mortal brook
baer was 4 fite back in WoD. was lovely
maiden ravine
they fixed that in legion with m+
hybrid echo
M+ is, probably, one of the best things to come to WoW
maiden ravine
Blizzard figured the Apexis grind for cosmetics and mounts would keep the casuals
sharp night
gonna be weird having both m+ and torghast or w/e in SL
maiden ravine
like having m+ and horrific visions, hardly weird
mortal brook
we'll have to see how gated torghast is. might be vessel style
sharp night
if they make it vessels i'm so done
hybrid echo
Visions are amazing, imo, only downside is the timegating with vessels
maiden ravine
and vessels are only a time gate for us RIGHT now
in a month we'll have 5 or 6 vessels a week that we don't need to stockpile
sharp night
there's no way you're getting 6 vessels a week
ever
we don't magically get more coalesced visions
maiden ravine
there could be extra as the catch up mechanic
okay, it's just under 5 a week for Alliance, my bad.
regardless that's a lot of attempts each week once we have 85% sanity drain reduction, massive proc, and tons of corrupted gear damage
It's gonna be fun in a few months when as a tank 50% of our m+ damage is just TD
mortal brook
running 8TD ftw
hybrid echo
Corruptions are the worst things implemented. Worse than titanforging. The impact is too big imo :b
mortal brook
when you know, we finally finish the cloak grind. in AUGUST
maiden ravine
two TD3s for 150 corruption, and then a TD2 for 50
mortal brook
50
sharp night
yeah you can't run that much
the cap is 135 CR with max cloak and an essence
so that'd put you at 65
maiden ravine
oh, I thought it was 150 for cap
mortal brook
135+79 is a lot of TD
sharp night
i mean
sure if you have the balls to run 79 corr in keys
that just sounds like death to me
mortal brook
sounds like fun!
maiden ravine
who needs to live when you're doing 50% of your HP every time it procs
mortal brook
that's like 8 TD and a haste amp for a little more proc
maiden ravine
I want to see an entire pull get critted for 1 million
mortal brook
15s will certainly be memeable at that point
sharp night
i'm kinda curious how much i can do in a junkyard on vdh
right now i already hit ~1.5m hp in junkyard
maiden ravine
well that's the point
sharp night
with meta up
maiden ravine
they want us to be so brokenly OP by pre-patch
maybe this will be the tier I try for cutting edge for lulz
all the dps will be running around with like VR6 or 9 having permanent 20% vers, crit, haste
sharp night
unless something changes massively dps prob still run damage corruptions too
mortal brook
I'll have this world quest blue TD3 on until SLands tbh
sharp night
at the rate corruption drops i wouldn't be surprised
maiden ravine
I feel strange that I haven't had any issues with corruptions
I haven't done enough on my druid to know for sure, but my warrior and mage are drowning in TD and EV gear
ionic fern
😒
sharp night
meanwhile i run like
maiden ravine
To the point I feel IS and the bleed don't exist
sharp night
at least 30 keys a week at 14+
mortal brook
49 out of 52 chance for a corruption to not be the TD i want, so i mean, yeah
sharp night
and still don't have enough corruption to activate heart of darkness
ionic fern
😂
maiden ravine
That's cause m+ barely corrupts
sharp night
legit equipping all my corruption i have 14 corruption
ionic fern
Do WQ's and run around in them blues.
ebon hound
maiden ravine
I wish I knew what to say sitting on characters that could throw on 100+ corruption.
sharp night
lol
maiden ravine
I find horrific visions, emissaries, and world bosses have the highest chance to corrupt
sharp night
i just keep getting
mortal brook
with a little bit of world questing, you too can be a ʰᵉʳᵒᶦᶜ* allstar
maiden ravine
Yeah, that can suck
sharp night
tbf i have always been like this lol
in previous expansions
i never got set drops in raid
always the "off" pieces
even on bonus rolls
maiden ravine
My mages td3 ring is 440, I got td3 445 pants on my warrior from the world boss
sharp night
i have the worst luck
mortal brook
last time i had bis gear was HFC
all WF, leech capped, it was fuckin glorious
downhill from there
maiden ravine
I'd sell the excess corrupted gear I have if I could
mortal brook
baer archi trinket Seed of Creation and all the leech made me literally unkillable in ashran
good times
I have like 7 mastery amps you can have
sharp night
tbh the best endgame setup imo is probably gonna be like 6 ranks of TD and then fill the rest of corruption budget with GW if possible but i highly doubt anyone will get that lucky
slightly less aoe damage than stacking all TD but massive amount of ST boost
maiden ravine
This 12 ml should be easy when I wake up
I've suffered that place so much lately
It won't be an io boost, but I like to do my own keys
sharp night
ml should be so free this week
maiden ravine
It is if dps aren't stupid
mortal brook
obelisks are so nice there
maiden ravine
A lot of them don't respect azerokk add damage
Takes 350k bleed damage, blames resonant quake
Still such a slog up to the second boss
Having to cycle interrupts and stuns constantly
rapid tide
ML?
Motherlode is the easiest key this tier.
Just do 64% before boss 1 and pull pillar to next boss only clearing what is on the way.
First hero either on a big pull or pull first pillar to boss 1 and hero him and then backtrack for the 64%.
Not a single hard pull in that instance, it's just some zerging into bossrush.
maiden ravine
I haven't had that pleasure
Can't pull more than 2 vendors or 2 assassin's at one time without people dying
zealous ore
Is mind flay tentacle any good in mythic plus?
mortal brook
certainly. esp in places like Workshop where ST matters more
maiden ravine
Like I said ta2 on some 465 bracers was 6% of my damage even in m+ AD
sharp night
you aren't really supposed to pull 2 vendors lol
maiden ravine
It's no TD doing 20-30%
sharp night
even in key push groups people only pull 1 vendor at a timee
assassins you can pull 1 per melee dps though
maiden ravine
So where's the big lust pull before first boss since those assassins and vendors are everywhere
sharp night
you can lust like right away pretty much
maiden ravine
I'm trying to get more confident pulling big after second boss.
I still feel very squishy
sharp night
in pugs i probably wouldn't do the gigapull between first and second boss because you need to rotate stuns/knocks/kicks or you'll get oneshot by earth spike or w/e
sick sentinel
It gets nuked so fast it really doesn't matter
and you can stun, shield, sac and spell reflect most of them
and stun interrupts their cast
You have to be in the most bums group
for it to go off
maiden ravine
AKA pug world under 15s
sharp night
anyway my first lust is the first pull in the dungeon
it's 7 laborers, mech, and a vendor
maiden ravine
Seems small to do a lust on
sick sentinel
you use lust to get it on cd
maiden ravine
Okay
sharp night
soon as vendor dies you pull it into the next vendor+charge guy
it takes about 10 min to get to first boss anyway so you wanna get a lust in early
sick sentinel
We usually go lust pull, obelisk into double boss pack
and then do boss
then clear
so we spawn at boss
raw turtle
elemental whirl vs blood siphon?
mortal brook
whirl is more dmg
exotic rapids
14282 is the current K-Value fopr m+ correctß
undone sun
should be
worthy mountain
so im tanking today, any tips for the raid as prot ? https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/blackhand/smorclap
tame garden
Wrong belt
worthy mountain
this or Voidritual r3 on an 420 ring with mastery/crit, got no choice
craggy harness
Correct
errant widget
@worthy mountain I would recommend switching Indomitable to Bolster - the reduced CD on Last Stand and its ability to block is huge
exotic rapids
so you can´t really get block cap atm without azerite traits nice
tame garden
nice
errant widget
Any truth to this rumoured hotfix that upped the number of pages possible per full vision clear to 4?
craggy harness
Burn your vessels like the rest of us
left hatch
unless it came out within the last 10 hours , no
errant widget
alpine shard
please deny or confirm if this is real
left hatch
did 4 full clears about 9 hours ago
alpine shard
Im so sick of the dailies.
left hatch
so im gonna say its fake
errant widget
No idea, someone in guild just shared it. Doesn't sound like it according to @left hatch ... or at least not yet
Supposedly it's live on "on some servers" so sounds pretty fishy
strong forum
Did a full clear and only got 2
So, this is a bait or w/e
Or he opened mailbox after 2 runs
tame garden
I was very happy
errant widget
I can't see it being real - the backlash from everyone who smashed their 4 runs yesterday would be nasty
tame garden
Now I'm sad again
strong forum
I would like it
Since I got scammed out of a run this week
So I did 2 runs but only have 3 pages
And now I need to play the game to get enough vessels to get my upgrade
potent anvil
Anyone tried the magic absorb mecha ring? Is it any good? 
mortal brook
did a new build go out for it?
potent anvil
I don't think so. I assume that implies that it sucks.
mortal brook
oh, no. the magic absorb is like 3ppm
wont notice it
did a new build go out for that maybe pages change?
potent anvil
Nah, at least nothing I know of.
mortal brook
strong forum
The fire res doesnt do a whole lot I think
So it's negligible
Not to mention the absence of fire dmg in bfa
mortal brook
just flavor
high sierra
I feel nostalgic just having it
jovial scaffold
the fire res isnt just flavor
it can actually work on some things
wheres the clip of a guy resisting a gpyro 🤔
not sure if it works like how resistance used to work against certain types of fire dmg, but then you get into binary resist/partial resists and its kind of a mess
jovial scaffold
like a 13k MAGIC absorb on a 15 sec cd @potent anvil assuming you can proc it fast every time its up, so nothing to write home about really, but its free HPS if you got a set so /shrug
strong forum
It's just a weaker null barrier
jovial scaffold
p much
strong forum
That doesn't do dmg, so less than 1k hps
wind garden
But if you get a 475 one with td1 on it, then you wear it anyway
wind garden
Run td10 as a tank, ready go
wind garden
End of expansion we will realistically be running 6 or so though, which sounds bonkers.
I don’t think I could safely run four ranks while tanking
final mist
Corruption is a healer mechanic tho, I got damage to do 
royal ferry
Yeah I got spell reflect for TFB
wind garden
Rofl
royal ferry
Healers can just heal eve to thing else
wind garden
My healers are usually keeping the dps alive who afk in fire.
royal ferry
It’s because your dps are also running 9999 corruption
wind garden
No. They wear helmets with chin straps to raid.
final mist
Isn’t that how everyone’s dps raids?
tame garden
:rooblind:
exotic spoke
Speg gets it 🙂
final mist
Even in the good guilds I’ve been in, dps are still mongos
Hell, I turn into a mongo when I dps
Sal playing arms be like 
shut summit
Sal dps 😬
shut summit
😏
exotic spoke
Trust me - it’s better than Riki Dps
final mist
Well yeah but Riki dps ain’t much worse than riki tank
exotic spoke
Oof that’s hurtful
warm plinth
@prisma crane made me DPS a run for him in Legion (on my war) and then never grouped with me again so I guess I'm pretty bad at it 😂
exotic spoke
At least it’s better than John tank 🙂
warm plinth
Even I can confidently say I'm better than John.
prisma crane
wait what?
warm plinth
See, he's repressed it
prisma crane
i'm so lost, did your discord name change? 🤔
prisma crane
world?
warm plinth
Yes
final mist
Mwahi gets a bit of power and goes crazy
prisma crane
also, um i think we did do one once, it was a suramar one iirc
final mist
Smdh
final mist
I never would’ve done something like that 🙃
sullen valve
@ionic fern <3
prisma crane
lol
ionic fern
👋 ❤️
exotic spoke
Roo peek
sullen valve
mwahi furry support on wowA when
rose furnace
Best dungeon to spam for a shield?
prisma crane
well fwiw people have been bitching at me to change my discord picture forever now, but i feel like it's a part of me
warm plinth
Any of the ones that drop a shield
rose furnace
why didn't I think of that
mortal brook
theres def a couple changes in visions today from yesterday. most noticable one was bloodthirsty interrupts k'bab
D:
sullen valve
mortal brook
only got 2 pages tho
rose furnace
warm plinth
The fuck
golden quail
whats a good enchant for my prot weapon?
tame garden
mortal brook
force mult or quick nav
golden quail
alright thanks
rose furnace
Which dungeons besides ML drop shields? I don't have access to my PC atm but want to tell guildys to hold on to keys
tame garden
Atal
warm plinth
UR
tame garden
Snek
exotic spoke
Technically mechagon
warm plinth
😂
tame garden
Wait does td
exotic spoke
And the AH drops shields
exotic spoke
Improvised riot shield
warm plinth
Derp
left hatch
same model as the ML shield too
exotic spoke
The AH has a 100% drop rate though
warm plinth
Imagine saying TD doesn't drop a shield when you literally have that shield
inland mesa
ML, AD, TD, UR, Temple, workshop
rose furnace
Isn't the TD one poop?
exotic spoke
For a price
warm plinth
None of them are poop if they're your highest ilevel
exotic spoke
^^
warm plinth
And technically only the Mechagon one would be described as poop. It's not like shields have massive amounts of secondaries or anything
tame garden
You only care about the block
You want a 475 shield otherwise you aren't a true warrior
inland mesa
I listed my personal order when I was fishing for a shield before the box of disappointment gods smiled down on me
exotic spoke
It’s disgusting. Prot Warriors only care about one thing
@tame garden I will hurt you
inland mesa
Leech?
tame garden
🏃
left hatch
Clapping
exotic spoke
Block value
Guys! Come on. Pay attention to topic on hand - were talking shields here
warm plinth
If you want to be really picky, the Motherlode shield has the best secondaries for M+
inland mesa
Speaking of which, why does the mythic transmog go with the normal shield >.<
tame garden
Any 475 shielders in the chat
warm plinth
445 💪
rose furnace
Pepega fury rerolling prot
tame garden
Any fury lootspecers
rose furnace
I played fury to steal a humming dragonscale and vita from Nyalotha
exotic spoke
You’re walking a fine line Speg
inland mesa
I got a 475 AD shield with TD 1 this week from box 😄
debating on arms next week for getti or stay prot until weapon. Hopefully I get one off vexiona tonight so descision is made for me
craggy harness
briny barnacle has more value in m+ i'm guessing, with the splash to mobs when dying?
elder berry
unsure but it feels weak to me. I tried one out
craggy harness
sims better than Tuskar's vers bonus
but that's just ST
i guess i'm stuck with increments
strong forum
For briny to splash over in m+ you need to get a lucky proc of the target that's about to die
It's a good St trinket, but quite unreliable in aoe
It's amazing in islands cuz there's so much small stuff
craggy harness
didn't think of it, but i guess it cascades again if the other stuff dies?
sick sentinel
which essence should prot use if we absolutely need the -10 for corruption
never mind icy veins got my back
brittle ledge
hello, a mate just told me you could spell reflect cyclone in temple on first boss
is that true?
brittle ledge
so you cant get hit by all 3 or 4
ahhh i see
if not on you
you can spell reflect all of them?
tame garden
Yea
sick sentinel
^
red dock
I’ve done it before but I can’t recall, when you spell reflect the cyclones do they still go past you to hit allies?
raw turtle
sometimes i hear the reflect and still get damaged and almost die
vapid loom
so... as what i am reading .. even in raid u run kinda the same traits
cause i am focusing m+ traits so far. u know x3 bastion
but the difference is ur other focus is Brace for impact
and in m+ u go for iron fortess
did i get it right?
elder berry
My ideal M+ trait targets is BoM x3 DC x1 MS x2
vapid loom
Meticulous Scheming ?
elder berry
yes
vapid loom
hard t find 😛
elder berry
IK 😦
sick sentinel
I played azerite roulette with my chest piece this week and won. Ez
elder berry
which chest you get? ashvane?
west kayak
I did that this week as well @sick sentinel with shoulders, got the Kraken!
opal python
strong forum
i dont think theres s4 routes yet
red dock
There were some added two days ago but that might have just been this week
lyric zinc
Guys, always socket haste right ?
brittle ledge
he has routes for this week
tame garden
Give