just to be a b__
#protection
craggy harness
warm plinth
I played all the CoD games on console before I bought MW on PC
craggy harness
it occasionally sucks me in
sweet summit
hello this is the offtopic police here is everything alright? 🙂
strong forum
🔫 👉 🚪
warm plinth
We were discussing relational theory between protection warriors and FPS gamers
sweet summit
sounds good, ill move along. have a great day, sir
warm plinth
phew
silver crane
what gloves do you guys use ?
silver crane
So...no matter the stats
modern brook
More stats > good stats
silver crane
Cool. thanks. that sounds so easy to gear lol
craggy harness
lol, i misused the rng term for cs
its more the thinking that with all the hitscan weapons that can kill within 3 bullets w/luck
it makes the casual melees be balanced in a random way
modern brook
I ain't gunna make u rewrite why ur wrong man its chill
tame garden
Wait do ppl actually play csgo I thought it was all about gambling for skins
craggy harness
i blinked for 5 years
and discovered skins were a money thing
and then went "no, i can spend my money on computers and mtg"
modern brook
Both equally poor choices if were being honest
craggy harness
(possibly a fictional account)
it's something along the lines like for gambling and lotteries?
COnsider the money you spent lost, and not an investment
chilly brook
The faster the ttk the more punishing it becomes if you're lacking in map knowledge, tactics and aim tbh
craggy harness
ttk?
modern brook
Time to kill
chilly brook
In which case it ceases to be super casual friendly
Which is actually kind of contrary to your point
unkempt latch
Can you have too much haste for M+?
modern brook
No
craggy harness
i don't htink i was making a point that the other games
were more casual friendly
modern brook
You might Gcd cap during lists with high haste gear / corruptions but if u gotta ask ur fine
Lust*
unkempt latch
Ok thanks, I am on 31%, was thinking about maybe gemming something else...
modern brook
Consider crit if ur looking at m+
It's pretty much a toss up tbh
Haste still more than likely best
unkempt latch
Ok, got it, thank you.
craggy harness
31%, not sure how people get those base numbers stares at own gear
craggy harness
looking, but before that, i just might be guilty of comparing at different ilvls
exotic spoke
No, I didnt. It’s slightly wrong. I get 32% before ITTF
But every piece has haste and in the set I normallly run I have like 5 sockets too
craggy harness
nods maybe i'll just move to a more populated server and try harder for shadow
i mean even the 29% you have on the log out feels in reach with 10 ilvl difference
just change the 2x to 3x hits the gut different
strong forum
thats literally vs 1 mob
with just my gear
there were like 1 or 2 procs still missing
vestal edge
do yall use 80 str gems or just one 120 and rest haste
exotic spoke
I hit 150% haste last night in an M+ with rezans / drums / ITTF / Force multiplier / gift of the Titans and some of the other things in visions that weren’t just stacking the haste
tame garden
Too much
exotic spoke
I don’t have vita and scale or engi helm
strong forum
rip
tame garden
U suck lmao
tame garden
Riki inting
oblique garnet
But do you have 3x TD? 🙂
exotic spoke
Also, Late, Deydorra was complimenting you 🙂
oblique garnet
lyric zinc
Guys, do you have a good interrupt WA tracker?
oblique garnet
About what
strong forum
the one from nnogga
tame garden
:dey: :peepoknight:
strong forum
like everybody is using
exotic spoke
After we were talking about prot in ad chat. Another manager was questioning why people ran more than 22% haste and didn’t listen
Said your nice, sweet, and helpful
tame garden
Inting is not behaving
exotic spoke
At least I raid tank as prot you imposter
tame garden
Next week I will sneak my war into raid
exotic spoke
Sigh
tame garden
🙂
modern brook
Guys, do you have a good interrupt WA tracker?
@lyric zinc #ui-addons-manager
Def can help
marble cipher
For M+, Block + which haste trinket (wrath or vita)?
marble cipher
I'm currently running double haste, just thought block would be a better alternative for one of them
exotic spoke
Honestly mess around with it. Any combination of those three will be good. You may find you prefer the haste or a blend of haste and crit
marble cipher
k, will do, will also sim and see (probably the crit one there)
Might use the crit one on lower keys
exotic spoke
Crit will come up on sims
Even in keys it’s not bad to run it. Due to the number of mobs parry normalizes a little bit - during procs j mean
That said double haste is strong for more block up time
strong forum
ye thats good stats
dusky sentinel
Guys. Is this any good for prot warriors? Is the stat "squish" to much of a loss compared to the dps it gives? https://www.wowhead.com/item=159660/servant-splitter&bonus=4777:1512
I got a 455 one
modern brook
Is it higher ilvl than what u got?
dusky sentinel
Yeah. had a 440 basic one
modern brook
Grats on ur new weapon then
strong forum
ilvl always wins
modern brook
Also my condolances cause its shit
dusky sentinel
This one has the haste proc corruption bonus
strong forum
servant splitter is pretty good
dusky sentinel
1257 haste for 4 sec
modern brook
My b i forget raid is a thing ppl do
dusky sentinel
sup with the raid hate? Seen people been commenting on that
modern brook
Personally doing 3 pulls of progression followed by 20-70 pulls of watching your dps be fucking monkeys isnt particularly enjoyable
tame garden
Giga snoozefest
modern brook
Grong was cool
exotic spoke
I was forced to raid for gear this tier
I like who I’m raiding with though so that helps
modern brook
But otherwise it was just taunt at stacks and then wipe because ur shadow priest couldnt step to the left and soak
exotic spoke
Tank wise there are some nice fights here I kinda enjoy - that i have experience wi th I#
tame garden
Shadhar at least you kinda have to pay some attention
modern brook
I haven't played the new raid yet lol
tame garden
Everything else until raden is yikes
exotic spoke
I don’t mind maut
dusky sentinel
oh come on. Its a reason people play the lottery. the chance to win that big award by just guessing numbers or doing something small
exotic spoke
I kinda like Wrathion concept
tame garden
Wrathion is cool but too long
exotic spoke
I didn’t mind TFing. I think it could have been better but I definitely didn’t hate it
modern brook
I think ppl blew tf out of proportion
But corruption is a better system, if terribly refined
dusky sentinel
It might be a better system. But I find it kinda boring. i dunno
modern brook
👮♂️ 👮♂️ 👮♂️
exotic spoke
I like the concept. Balance between corruptions is completely Fubar and balance between Ilvl too
Poorly executed I think
modern brook
I'm ignoring numbers when I look at it tbh
The only thing they didnt do that they shouldve was given dust mark2 for decorrupting things
tame garden
In it's current implementation its way worse than titanforging
modern brook
So u can target specific corruptions
tame garden
Like waaaaay worse
modern brook
In it's current implementation its way worse than titanforging
@tame garden agreed
exotic spoke
Just make it mementos - boom i think it’s a lot better
modern brook
But like what it can be. Is much much better imo
If they keep it into shadowlands I think ull see it be refined down
tame garden
What it can be doesnt matter if blizz doesnt fix it
modern brook
I wouldn't be surprised if blizzard is using 8.3 as prepatch 9.0
Basically force the entirety of its population to play test its ideas moving into the new patch
It explains a lot of the just gross mistakes judgements on initial power levels for things like ev and is
That is to say; we can complain that blizzard didnt fix it when they dont fix it
exotic spoke
Yes... pay to win as I’m considering buying a 475 shield on another server and transferring it to me
sweet summit
just make be able to swap corruption from one item to another please
wooden radish
@exotic spoke same. i can get it for 1.2 with a shitty corruption 😦
lucid dew
What corruptions are you using for raid?
wooden radish
me?
lucid dew
Should I run infinite stars over TD?
lucid dew
I have 75 corruption worth of TD and 75 of IS
wooden radish
if there are ANY extra targets or adds at all, use TD > IS
exotic spoke
I saw one for 900k on some server but couldn’t get gold there fast enough. And 1M on another. Didn’t care about the corruption at all
lucid dew
Is EV dead now?
exotic spoke
@lucid dew depends on the fight like Lincoln is saying
wooden radish
not really but its not top
exotic spoke
EV has always been dead to me cause I never saw it
lucid dew
Same I have never got it
wooden radish
im not paying more than 1 million for a shitty corruption and no socket
wooden radish
i might as well wait for a shield from chest or illgy
lucid dew
I’m planning on buying shield as well do you think it’s going to drop in price over time
lucid dew
As more people get it from their chest
exotic spoke
Was going to try to negotiate with the buyer if it was posted in the AH because of the AH cut and save some money
lucid dew
I was hoping to get in 500k range
exotic spoke
I have my guild and a second guild looking for one - I’d buy it from the second guild
lucid dew
Wonder how long that will be
prisma crane
i'm so glad i prompted a huge CS rng convo, lmao
lucid dew
I feel like it’s not even worth getting corruption on the shield
Since it’s a permanent piece you won’t want to swap it around
exotic spoke
Having to pay almost 400k gold or money to transfer it back makes me sad but it’d be worth
wooden radish
@exotic spoke a shaman got one last night with crit damage on it. he's trying to sell it for 2.5 mill
exotic spoke
Not worth
wooden radish
yep
exotic spoke
I’ll give him 900k any server
wooden radish
i offered 1 million
prisma crane
It's worth it at 475
wooden radish
he didn't take it
exotic spoke
No it’s not Krotos
wooden radish
crit damage is a shit corruption
exotic spoke
I’ve seen them up for 800-1m on servers so his is prided to high
prisma crane
oh i mean corruption in general
cuz ilvl dropping for corruption on a shield is ass
ionic fern
👀
exotic spoke
He’s thinking his market. I’m thinking the Americas market
Gallywix gold goes wherever it’s needed 🙂
wooden radish
i have a bunch of gold i can move via a fake gbank
ionic fern
Give me some, i'm poor.
wooden radish
to grab one if i see one on of the 4 servers im checking
lucid dew
@exotic spoke are you trying to get one with the right corruption or just a blank one
wooden radish
i want one with a decent corruption and a socket
lucid dew
what corruption idealliy a TD?
lucid dew
yea def not worth paying up for a shit corruption
wooden radish
i'd take an EV
lucid dew
im just worried they will nerf corruptions again paying up for a corruption seems risky right now
elder berry
i got the BoE ring from H last night with ineffable truth... trying to sell it for 1.25M
lucid dew
i got the BOE h ring yesterday too
how much is that going for no corruption
prob not near as much
elder berry
depends on server obv. My main is on A52 and they arent that expensive if it doesnt have corruption
a couple hundred k
lucid dew
yea im on tich pretty populated
i got over 100k for 445 boe gloves with shit corrruption
things go like crazy right now people buying corrupt
hollow kernel
hi guys is glimpse any good? o.O
elder berry
the same ring i got yesterday sold for 900k about 2 hours before i looted mine
glimpse of clarity? no
young musk
worth using over just normal stat bracers?
exotic spoke
Same Ilvl? No
exotic spoke
Eu economy 😦
strong forum
wise rivet
hey there people..
i need some help here.. i have both r3 twilight and r2 echo void 470 items but both in different slots and i dont have any replacing item for neither of them (besides a 450 ring)..
which corruption effect should purge? 🤔
tame garden
Ev
drifting lotus
none of them?
strong forum
purge EV
TD is the strongest corruption right now
EV is just fine
the goal would be getting TD t4
drifting lotus
what is TD t4?
lucid dew
i would try and do netiher ha
strong forum
Twilight devastation t3 + t1 or t2+t2
drifting lotus
if it were me, i would hold on to both and use your 450
strong forum
^
urban briar
what would u pair vita with?
strong forum
scale / block / coral / rezan / psychic shell
urban briar
whats better rezans or gore crushers block?
strong forum
for m+ block is better
urban briar
better then torrent?
strong forum
yes
wise rivet
this is the cutie i got from this week's chest
strong forum
jealous
drifting lotus
nice
lucid dew
when does mythic cross server open up
do you think there will be wraithon farm pugs
how hard is it on mythic
strong forum
there already are pugs
for first 3
but its not cross server
cross server will take a couple weeks / months
tame garden
Wrathion pugs gonna be good time
strong forum
until 100 horde guilds killed nzoth, right now its like 11 or 12 guilds
frozen dove
Cross realm won't open up until the hall of fame is full for both factions
100 horde and 100 alliance guilds
strong forum
pretty sure its respective to each faction
frozen dove
Nope
frozen dove
Never has that was the problem with EP horde had 100 when alliance was at 40
tawny maple
To SR Despair you have to use it before the cast it before the explosion?
frozen dove
Don't worry there's time, Shadowlands won't be out until fall or winter
cosmic cape
do u guys use 80 str gems or just one 120 str and rest haste
tame garden
It's not hard but pugs will find a way
strong forum
120 str, rest haste
lucid dew
haha
frozen dove
First 3 are not hard and completely puggable
strong forum
pugs can make everything difficult
prisma crane
i'd argue 10s are harder than wrathion
strong forum
you can 2 man 10s and do it in time
prisma crane
as far as individual thinking is concerned
strong forum
ye
exotic spoke
Wrathion mythic is harder than NZoth heroic by just a little imo
frozen dove
Wouldn't know haven't run anything less than a 16 this season
strong forum
humble brag, me neither
prisma crane
well yea but your motorcycles went away
exotic spoke
It’s not hard - but neither is nZoth heroic
wooden radish
@ionic fern Hey, I have a question for you. You have an orange name so you clearly know stuff. I have multiple corruptions that I can use: i have vers proc on damage taken, +%mastery, +crit damage, haste->avoidance, the wrahtion weapon, and two items with TD r1. Can you tell me which ones I should be using and in which situation? Should I cleanse the TDs? Thanks. I'll hang up and listen.
strong forum
kekw
cosmic cape
so i have r3 IS weapon R1 IS weapon R2 TD bracers but 445 and R1 475 TD boots and 475 crit damage bracers. im thinking R3 IS weapon and crit damage bracers for st and both TDs for aoe and still under 40 on both
prisma crane
i'm just imagining what it's like to be in a world with so many corruption options
cosmic cape
i know i can never throw anything away even more so now
strong forum
scarlet flare
i have haste proc and void ritual 
exotic spoke
@ionic fern Similar to @wooden radish s question I have is t3 Td T2, some void ritual, a 465shield with bonus crit corruption, trying to get wrathions sword and a good corrupted BoE shield
Oh and ineffable truth gloves. But the gloves are 10 ilvls lower than my current gloves. Oh and j forgot the IS is on a ring and I have equivalent Ilvl mechagon ring set. What should I cleanse / use / scrap?
strong forum
did someone say corruption
cosmic cape
i think IS and crit damage bracers is still alot better for pure ST. but definitely both T
cosmic cape
both TDs feel like the move in any kind of cleave or aoe
scarlet flare
❤️
shut summit
👋
cosmic cape
do yous think r3 td is better than r3 IS on pure ST? doenst say that on bloodmallet
exotic spoke
❤️ Mwahi
cosmic cape
but sometimes when ur with a high damage group the boss dies too fast for IS to do anyhting
strong forum
no its not Padden
scarlet flare
exotic spoke
Sense - sorry for making your Theorycrafter quit
strong forum
TD is however the best on average
exotic spoke
I’m sure @wooden radish is sorry too so I’ll apologize for him
scarlet flare
that and td isnt even far behind for st
wooden radish
time to turn the memes up to 11
exotic spoke
I TAKE IT BACK
exotic spoke
shit just got real. I’m going to make a forum post complaining about your toxicity
prisma crane
220% healing reduction, heals actually dmg you now!
ionic fern
cosmic cape
i need a luck tertiary that makes all my corruptions and trinkets proc more lol
strong forum
stop abusing Uldum haste buff
ionic fern
It's fun. 😦
cosmic cape
i just wish i didnt have to sacrifice so much for r3 TD. between two pieces i have to throw away 30 ilvls on bracers and a socket on boots
wooden radish
I’m done. Warrior discord is what it is. There’s some great talent there but take everything with a grain of salt. Your situation may require a slightly different priority.
cosmic cape
tis but a flesh wound
exotic spoke
Lincoln, are you going to make a forum post?
wooden radish
yes
exotic spoke
Call them out for being toxic and banning you?
marble cipher
@strong forum which realm was that shield on? They're at 2M on Draenor 😥
strong forum
Kazzak
marble cipher
Damn, gz though!
strong forum
was just casually checking
cuz i was sick of not having max ilvl shield
so i just yoinked it
marble cipher
I check them a couple of times a day
cosmic cape
i forgot to say i have a r3 EV gloves but i guess EV is butt now
marble cipher
I'd snag that too, in a heartbeat at that price
drifting lotus
New to prot warrior and I got a piece of corruption that has Deadly Momentum with haste/vers and another item with crit/master of the same ilvl with Expedient. thoughts?
sweet summit
the one that gives more haste is better at equal ilvl
or, more stats i should say
id take expedient
cosmic cape
what 3 minors should i use? i dont want to use any of the new ones bc the plus ten resistance puts me under 25
sweet summit
lucid/sphere/CnS/aegis uhhhh
exotic spoke
Pick 3^^
sweet summit
i feel like im forgetting one
cosmic cape
what about vision and null
cosmic cape
why is sphere and cns so good i see everyone use it but isnt it just like a little static haste and verse
sweet summit
vop minor for raids if you go cof major
elder berry
@sweet summit those are the ones I conststantly see
exotic spoke
Because haste is good
robust cobalt
Yo, anyone mind explaining how high of a importance Bastion of Might have in M+? I have a 450 head with bastion/Crash/OP and a 465 head with Crash/Incite-Bloodsport/OP. Have 3x Bastion if i run with the 450 Head and i have a Bloodsports in another slot already
exotic spoke
Because vers is good
You use Ilvl @robust cobalt unless it would mean dropping Deafening Crash
Use the 465
robust cobalt
Aight. thanks 🙂
sweet summit
take incite over bloodsport ;)
try to replace your other bloodsport with something else
robust cobalt
ggs
sweet summit
bad rng
runic python
Feels like I'm dipping wayyy too much. I used to tank for a very competitive guild in vanilla, tbc, and wotlk (came back late in legion). However, I feel like I'm doing something inherently wrong. Guild healers are complaining I dip too much in m+ - thinking I'm under using ignore pain. Should the uptime be close to 100% - am I supposed to keep IP and block at 100% the entire time? I usually default use block, if the mobs/boss is magic, I use IP (or avatar + VoP) - I track it with a custom WA. Any help would be useful, thanks!
sweet summit
ignore pain is used to not overcap rage
your primary active mitigation tool is shield block, last stand, demo shout and shield wall
IP helps smooth damage intake for the most part
also, if you have a log that would help a lot. right now im just guessing whats going on
runic python
I think I'm overusing revenge, most likely and probably should be using IP more
mortal brook
have any logs? happy to look over em
cold cosmos
That feeling when you roll for the shoulder box and get 480 with the revenge trait and no BoM
ruby nexus
if you need corruption resistance, i guess
exotic spoke
Formless void is better if you need corruption resistance
ruby nexus
and everyone in group runs vop major
formal vine
y thought so, thx
exotic spoke
Otherwise pick 3 out of aegis, CnS, sphere, and lucid
cold cosmos
WTB 4 minor slots so I can just run with them all and not have to pick
elder berry
they already gave you a 3rd slot... so demanding
cold cosmos
<_<
elder berry
XD
chilly brook
@runic python rule of thumb is don't use revenge unless you have a free proc or just want to pump damage and dont have any serious damage intake
exotic spoke
Hi again prot qtpies
chilly brook
Use shield block as much as possible when it would benefit you to do so and even on non physical bosses there is a benefit because it buffs your shield slam
Hi Riki
Also in regards to earlier today I have a feeling you and I would agree on more than we disagree on we just have differing outlooks on wows current state 😋
chilly brook
I feel like a lot of that just comes down to text communication
hallow phoenix
Get a room
chilly brook
Dont ruin the sappy moment
tame garden
😭
exotic spoke
Lol
hollow kernel
how bout leech, is it good? o.O
tame garden
No
heady prism
Which is better, 460 drest trinket or 460 void-twisted titanshard
mortal brook
neither are ideal. void crit wont get good uptime and drest dmg splits
chilly brook
Leech is great :kappa
brittle ridge
is modular platinum plating trinket any good for prot? got it 475 from weekly chest, but i cant figure out how strong that use effect is
ruby nexus
it's tier
brittle ridge
guessed so 😦
edgy bone
prisma crane
@runic python i'm a bit late to respond here but IP uptime is completely useless to look at and yea, logs will help more than anything
lethal tapir
Is Echoing Void still any good for Warrior Tank?
grand spruce
is ineffible truth good for prot?
fresh charm
exotic spoke
The best answer to that question would be to sim your character if you’re talking about purely offensive reasons
grand spruce
ineffible truth ? prot yes/no?
warm plinth
I don't think Ineffible Truth is good for anyone really
It doesn't proc enough to be very valuable
exotic spoke
It has uses for some classes. Could get buffed - could get nerfed
/shrug
Hard to say
grand spruce
so another useless piece of gear
exotic spoke
Maybe maybe not - corruption balancing
It’s definitely not useful offensively in its current state. Defensively - maybe? Who knows
tame garden
Its pog for mw
exotic spoke
Probably best to keep it Incase it gets buffed
Just like every other piece of corruption right now
maiden ravine
I want it to be good for my druid, go full meme cd build
He hasn't gotten much corruption yet but I also haven't played him nearly as much
junior ivy
hi
fringe marten
I so rarely pvp, but I want to tinker with a talent..does "Shield Bash" pvp talent Get the damage boosts from Punish, and Heavy Rep? (and benefit from cooldown refresh from devastator?)
I assume it shares a CD with Shield Slam?
warm plinth
I don't remember it sharing CD but haven't played my war in a while
I doubt it is affected by anything that impacts Shield Slam though since it doesn't replace Shield Slam
The idea behind it is basically to punish casting by letting you spam it on people who chain cast
fringe marten
RIght; when I noticed it didn't over write the ability I figured it was treated as seperate.
warm plinth
Yeah it was kinda fun to use but I didn't have it conveniently bound and kinda stopped using it even when I still had it talented
brisk kettle
For higher M+ which combo would you all use a 470 Rezan's, a 460 Humming, 460 Sigil of Warding +sock, 460 Jes or 445 Sporepod?
warm plinth
Rezan+Dragonscale
modern brook
^
lucid pendant
feral heart
racing pulse 3 good for m+?
maiden ravine
Aaaaaaalphaaaaaa
modern brook
can u still reflect cyclone strike?
maiden ravine
If you're not the primary target
modern brook
so exactly as its always been?
warm plinth
Yep
maiden ravine
So what would they even give prot back except shattering throw
torn gulch
Why is wrathion trinket so high on sims for offensive prot warriors? The amount of haste is mediocre, am I missing something here?
warm plinth
We're getting Challenging Shout back too @maiden ravine
The AoE taunt
@torn gulch According to wowhead, it's almost 6% haste at 445, and it has 3ppm which means it's gonna have like 75% uptime or some shit
warm plinth
Yeah, which is still high
warm plinth
Yeah, it's basically like if you took Rezan and just spread the haste out more
warm plinth
XD
torn gulch
Did not know uptime is so high on wrathion trinket
warm plinth
There's a glitch in the matrix!
maiden ravine
I am so hyped for alpha, even if it took 18 months for bfa to be playable for a single character
broken stratus
is surging vitality any good guys?
left hatch
its pretty middle of the pack for corruption
generally Damage procs > stat procs > stat %
brittle owl
for now
stuff is still getting changed
unless it's a huge ilvl upgrade that would take you over your corruption budget, keep every corrupted piece you have
mortal brook
only stuff ive cleansed is mastery amp. since ive gotten on 7 pieces so far >.>
mortal brook
heck, wrong prot channel again
mortal brook
yeah, fair. hpal ftw
brittle owl
yeah but, 3xAM + mastery amp =wings is pseudo last stand that blocks spells as well
😂
brittle owl
VoP major is irelevant honestly, since you can just use the minor to have wings every other pack essentially
mortal brook
minor def comfy for lining it with every other sera
brittle owl
also with enough mastery amp you could theoretically make it so you get extremely high crit block chance even outside avatar👀
mortal brook
for sure
almost a redundant amount in ava at that point
tell ya what, trade you all my mastery amp for something else
brittle owl
would free up space to take other traits
fam i'm hoarding everything
there's a shitton of memeing to be done in 2-3 months
mortal brook
there's memeing to be done now. hitting allstar lists with world blues >.>
mortal brook
goodbye
sick sentinel
🏃
undone sun
🚪 👈
ionic fern
^
mortal brook
:happybear:
undone sun
cross server emotes when @ionic fern
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tame garden
sick sentinel
rapid tide
Short question, do VoP procced Avatars remove the wrathion mythic debuff?
left hatch
yes
rapid tide
Perfect, thought so. Seeing that my 430 weapon won't get me far anyways I guess I'll just stick to VoP then over Crucible :^)
Maintank had shift change and can't make raid so... I'm the tank now :^)
mortal brook
gratz! dont let the power go straight to your head
left hatch
damn racing pulse has really crazy uptime
rapid tide
Seeing that I did not tank since our EP progress... Not sure what to think about it.
rapid tide
Also moving from 471 Fury to 463 Prot feels bad.
ionic fern
I'm only 464 as well. 😦
rapid tide
Don't even have a Shield above 455 :D
ionic fern
- 😒
mortal brook
i can wear my 475 shield in 2 weeks
rapid tide
Oof.
mortal brook
but not until then
rapid tide
Mhm. Do I run wrath + vita charged or vita + torment?
Not sure if torment dps is worth it...
ionic fern
I'd run vita+torment. 🤷
mortal brook
torment still decent ST
left hatch
if new to tanking id go wrath, but once you get your shit together torment
mortal brook
i hit wrathion with a Fang, np
rapid tide
Torment then.
It's only a reclear, what's the worst that could Happen :P
mortal brook
™️
left hatch
thats... pretty true
rapid tide
:D
Looking at the first 5 outside of Shat none seem really... Big for tanks or?
And Shat seems to be mostly magical so shit out of luck anyways, guess healers gotta heal 🤷
mortal brook
nah, tank dmg is pretty lame until shad
left hatch
and even shad is kinda zzz
mortal brook
shadhar should still be like 75% physical, esp if you dont get dissolves
left hatch
i think the scariest things are ilgy beam and adds on p1 carapace
rapid tide
Ye, not sure if I get to tank dissolves.
Probably not, we have a DK.
mortal brook
carapace adds fuck
rapid tide
Ye, we are not there so no worries for that from my side.
mortal brook
shad randos which he does first between crush and dissolve
rapid tide
Don't think we will progress there anytime soon.
mortal brook
esp if hemorages arent being killed
rapid tide
Don't think we will do HC anymore tbf.
But definitely thanks for the heads up :D
I didn't tank for a long time so I will probably get my ass beaten tonight for being too confident
:-)
ionic fern
rapid tide
Okay, so I will start on boss then and let my cotank die instead, roger that.
ionic fern
Exactly.
maiden ravine
14 AD, you tell your group it's 14 fort, don't need to AoE the ENTIRE reanimated packs
single target the witch doctor
it's why I hexed one of them too
noooo
MONGO THOSE TOTEMS
mortal brook
at least it wasnt bolstering?
maiden ravine
and wonder why our healer can't keep up
bolstering would mean you want to AoE it down haha
ionic fern
Real question is why are you playing reanimated packs.
maiden ravine
cause it's the route I see most people take? Is it not the way to go on AD? Can you skip that pack in front of the second boss without it pulling during the boss?
ionic fern
Yes.
mortal brook
theres one on an obelisk iirc
maiden ravine
there's 2
sharp night
nobody has ever played the pack in front of second boss since like s1
mortal brook
this fucker
brittle owl
you can either have someone run them to the side
ionic fern
You don't play the pack before the 2nd boss.
brittle owl
or play that lieutenant with yazma
maiden ravine
okay, I haven't seen a group skip that pack yet
ionic fern
o.o
mortal brook
thats the fear one, that could get spicy
maiden ravine
no its blob
ionic fern
Literally everyone skips them.
maiden ravine
this week
brittle owl
o.O
maiden ravine
I don't know if I'd wanna do blob with yazma
brittle owl
i haven't done the pack before volkaal since first week of m+ in S1
brittle owl
^
tame garden
blob is ez with yazma
rapid tide
monkaS
ionic fern
o.o
rapid tide
What do you do about spiders?
brittle owl
yeah you're doing
rapid tide
Do you just... die to them?
maiden ravine
In the low key world if you don't have just ONE set spot for them to drop adds they'll screw it up
tame garden
u wanna kite together as a group so the spiders follow behind
brittle owl
^
rapid tide
The normal strategy is to stack up and slowly kite aroudn the room.
Making a big ball of spiders.
mortal brook
and then DH the spiders all at once
rapid tide
I don't know how many keys you did so entirely in the realm of possibilities.
mortal brook
at least 3 id bet
rapid tide
There is a good weekly thread on r/competitivewow with routes.
maiden ravine
I've literally seen tank plant where she is, dps takes the clones to the back, kill clones, and then go back to boss
mortal brook
stacking up on Lord Stormsong is certainly nice tho
or at least left side right side the bubble casts
maiden ravine
I don't know if I'd trust pug dps to just stack on me on yazma
ionic fern
Mad paint skills i know.
This is what i usually do (not the marked mobs but the route). So you go left, kill 2 packs there, go into obelisk, run it to Priestess, kill her, go to Rezans, kill him, go to the other obelisk(3) , drag that to PoisonBoye, kill him, get blob with Yazma, ggwp.
rapid tide
As a rule of thumb: reduce the amount of pugs you play with and get a list of people that know the game.
Play with pugs: See a good one? Add them to friendlist.
Do that all the time: Soon you have a pool of good players to ask when you want to do a key.
mortal brook
ionic fern
^that..i like that.
maiden ravine
I play at super random times to do that, I've said before, when one day you're doing keys at 3am on Sunday, and then another at 2pm on a Wednesday, it's hard to get a "regular" group
rapid tide
Can you make a Junkyard route that style Mwahi? :' )
mortal brook
that's my cotank's 2.5io route
rapid tide
My general first impression looking at junkyard routes is "wtf".
That dungeon is so crowded 😄
mortal brook
this one's good 2/3 of the time
west galleon
the map for junkyard is so confusing
maiden ravine
Junkyard is easy
rapid tide
Oh ye, was less about a route. I more wanted handdrawn arrows all over the place
ionic fern
How i do Junkyard/Freehold:
Fuck the route, just pull stuff until you get to the boss
rapid tide
😦
maiden ravine
It's like the easiest m+ in my opionion
rapid tide
It's a simple key to not fuck up but fking it up means bad to no recovery.
west galleon
the twin boss is ez
maiden ravine
honestly, after doing HM gunker, m+ version is a joke
ionic fern
Thank me later @rapid tide
rapid tide
I'll thank you in a couple hours, Mwahi.
exotic spoke
That looks like my path basically
west galleon
trash is stronk
exotic spoke
Gunk as first boss is great
maiden ravine
you skip most of the trogg trash anyways
exotic spoke
can basically get full bots before boss
sharp night
gunker first is best but like
mortal brook
necrotic is obnoxious on 2 of the bosses
sharp night
why do people do the bot thing near the boss first
am i the only one that goes for the furthest one first
rapid tide
We normally go trogg first tbf.
We pull the pillar in the back cave and have most bots done by that point for the boss.
exotic spoke
@ionic fern hi - please check DMs
maiden ravine
you have to do trash around the duo and gunker no matter what, so I tend to avoid trash before trogg
ionic fern
@exotic spoke hi - i did.
rapid tide
We only clear to the pillar with trogg.
THen take pillar in back cave.
Clear there, clear around boss area.
sharp night
i have so many questions about that junk route lol
rapid tide
kill boss, skip back, do gunker boss, then do 3 pillars back to bcak
sharp night
skipping the bots outside trixie and naeno but pulling every spider bot in there?
rapid tide
into endboss.
sharp night
who does that
rapid tide
It's quite simple.
rapid tide
spiderbots?
sharp night
yeah
rapid tide
where what how?
exotic spoke
❤️ you Mwahi. You're m favorite theorycrafter. Don't let Lincoln tell you otherwise
sharp night
the ones that look like the mechaspider mount
they zap random people and then do the channeled aoe
rapid tide
Ye, why pull them?
brittle owl
wdym linc doesnt do TC
brittle owl
he just bans people like a bonafide commie
maiden ravine
I'm gonna try the 13 AD again.
sharp night
you can avoid them
sharp night
we don't kill the back one
cause it's out of the way and by itself
no reason to pull it
rapid tide
nah like back of the boss
sharp night
oh
rapid tide
the hut thingie
sharp night
yeah
that's the only one we pull and it's to be safe
we've done boss without agroing it before
rapid tide
ye, when boss charges there
sharp night
but another time we agroed it so
rapid tide
ye
sharp night
decided to be safe
rapid tide
When boss goes there for cycling it can pull.
And it's not a bad pack tbf.
We just shout + cd there or sth normally.
Because boss is w/e anyways.
maiden ravine
gonna tank a +6 WM on bear real fast to cleanse my palate haha
rapid tide
The boss?
prisma crane
are sims weird now or is bastion just not great for dmg anymore?
sharp night
no the bot
rapid tide
Ye.
On higher fort it's probably nasty.
Didn't do it above a 16 yet on fort I think.
sharp night
but yeah that route i'm so confused like
pull 3 spider bots but skip the regular spinnybots outside
mortal brook
check your stat weights. mastery is pretty weak atm. and no dmg corruption scales with it either.
so bom gonna lag a bit
@prisma crane
prisma crane
true
rapid tide
Is raidbots back again btw?
mortal brook
should be
hallow phoenix
Yes
rapid tide
perfect.
Then I can sim later before raid.
Not sure if I want 2 BfI + 2 BoM + 1 DC + 1 Relational
hallow phoenix
Krotos bastion should still sim really high
ionic fern
HoD pumps don't @ me.
hallow phoenix
It sims just above BoM for me
rapid tide
Ye, not sure. I have like... 800 mastery only.
hallow phoenix
Like almost tied
rapid tide
So BoM might just be decent.
And I think I am at... 2.1k Haste?
So kinda overcapping there.
"overcapping"
prisma crane
hallow phoenix
Just get 2400 crit and never look back
prisma crane
i know half those top ones arent able to be on high pieces
but so many above it
HoD looks solid AF since it's always up too
rapid tide
Only 1.8k crit atm 😦
And ye, I'll just sim it later.
But probably HoD will be the goto in the end.
stark ruin
does the BoM sim include the talents?
hallow phoenix
Only one of those traits above bastion are stackable
And generally you can pick up both bastion and hod
rapid tide
Ye, I don't remember my pieces.
stark ruin
nevermind, it's early morning and I'm retarded
hallow phoenix
I guess MS is stackable too
rapid tide
I mean... I don't have corruptions soooo no problem there :' )
prisma crane
w/e i'll just worry about it later since i think im going to just buy specific AZ from now on
rapid tide
Running Mindflay + EV oof.
ionic fern
I'm gonna run TD+EV after i finish my cloak upgrade. 
Until someone notices and starts calling it out in raids.
strong forum
TD t2 + EV t2 right now
strong forum
Cuz I got chad shield yesterday
brittle owl
my chad shield got nerfed
rapid tide
I got 4 pairs of gloves from weekly thus far.
brittle owl
😢
rapid tide
This week it had a socket too though.
hallow phoenix
I can only run TD 1 and IS 2 right now :(
rapid tide
So now I have 475 socketed with EV at least.
noble ingot
Question about the KT racial "brush if off", does the healing keep stacking or does it overwrite itself with every new dmg taken?
rapid tide
I would kinda want some gushings at some point in the not too far future.
strong forum
But nothing beats IS t6 + TD t2 + EV t4 + RP t3 + deadly momentum t3
rapid tide
Reminds me of our mage running... let me check again... sth like 103 corruption.
Can I see that on logs?
rapid tide
meh.
ionic fern
@noble ingot it gets refreshed.
maiden ravine
that was a nice fun 3 chest on a +6
haven't played bear in forever
I like going thrash/swipe
ugh, I was gonna be resto on my druid, but tanking is fun
hallow phoenix
Do both
carmine wadi
I got Bracers with 75 corruption IS 475 out of my weekly chest
It does 20% in Raid as fury that's so stupid
mortal brook
looks like a whole buncha rotational expertise and mechanical excellence right there
really playing the fight
ionic fern
I mean..all he does is melees..
And drops pools.
That you move out of regardless since you're moving Yazma around.
mortal brook
but if you have a special group that eats spiders, they prob wont dodge the blob pools well either
maiden ravine
so, on Vol'kall, you just make sure you don't kite boss close to the gate?
mortal brook
gate closes, that's los. just dont end the fight near the gate
maiden ravine
okay
have a route that skips the two worst reanimated packs and actually hits exactly 100
mortal brook
hell yeah
rapid tide
You can play around the last % really well with the fear dino thingies.
There are two of them downstairs from the entrance to the left.
When % don't go too well we sometimes just pick them up.
Can enable a skip somewhere else.
Also nice if you fked up the snap and jumped down :)))
Not that that ever happened to me.
maiden ravine
so you do priestess with lust, then rezan, then vol'kall, then last boss with lust?
maiden ravine
but if you do priestess first and vol'kall third
mortal brook
good point
vapid loom
does it worth changing anima of life and death for strength iof the warden?
for minor
in m+
ionic fern
Anima is a horrible minor.
rapid tide
You are running anima minor?
That's a terrible essence.
So, to answer your question: yes that is worth it.
vapid loom
tbh all the guides saying anima for minor
ionic fern
Wat
rapid tide
Not saying there might be other better options available but Strength definitely > Anima.
brittle owl
all these guides
sharp night
what guides
rapid tide
Also can you please link those guides? 🙂
mortal brook
no proper guides say that
brittle owl
no guide says that period i bet
mortal brook
anima minor is a wasted slot
rapid tide
Have a look at #268491842637660160 , look at a guide from there would be my tip.
mortal brook
and formless will serve you better than strength in most cases if you need the resist
ionic fern
Neither IcyVeins or WoWHead suggests anima minor.
vapid loom
my setup is : Vision as major / minors : lucid dreams - nullification dynamo and i am gonna change it to strength
the anima
one
hallow phoenix
Anima minor with 15 tanks running strength of the warden for big twilight devastations
rapid tide
That sounds like a decent setup although I would take formless over strength if you have both.
hallow phoenix
vapid loom
i have everything r3
vapid loom
as minor?
ionic fern
VoP major ->CnS/Aegis/Lucid/Sphere/Warden are all decent options.
sharp night
depending on what majors your dps/healer run and whether they stagger them
fv can be good or awful
rapid tide
Oh ye, if you have a 3 beam dps setup with your healer running vision
ionic fern
I'd run Warden in m+ content tbh.
sharp night
formless CAN be really good in m+
vapid loom
i am not gonna run formleess
rapid tide
We have some people running beam, healer runs crucible.
sharp night
if people run crucible yeah
rapid tide
So it has a great uptime for me.
rapid tide
y
sharp night
well it's decent if you have triple beam but your dps stagger them
but that's not really ideal for them or timing keys
mortal brook
cof def steals the shareable haste pretty nicely esp in raid
vapid loom
i wanna go full defensive cause i am not very strong tank
mortal brook
your offensive rotation is your defensive rotation
vapid loom
i know but still want to dont be a paper 😛
rapid tide
Also good offense rotation => more rage => more cdr => more cds => better defense.
ionic fern
Then go VoP major->CnS/Lucid/Warden imo.
mortal brook
your gameplay is the vast majority of your survival
hallow phoenix
Muh sphere
rapid tide
But ye, stacking the vers stuff is good for defensive purposes.
hallow phoenix
Sphere :(
mortal brook
but all other secondaries are also pretty equivalent for survival