so that's the orientation I think of
#protection
maiden ravine
left hatch
ok yah left to right entering thats how iv been doing it (:
maiden ravine
I still hate Umbric so I don't hate people who do Trade and then Mage first
ruby nexus
I think I will go mage first on my first run this week so I get the last mask
hallow phoenix
Nom how on Earth are your uptimes for those trinkets so high
maiden ravine
I am so relieved to have my 15 out of the way already, don't need to stress and I can just focus on getting weapon upgrades for fury and increasing my low ios
hallow phoenix
Rezan is like 20 for me and scale 50-55
sick sentinel
same
i was just wondering if there was a better trinket out there than 20% uptime rezan's eye
but cant hate the haste
ionic fern
Vita. 🙂
sweet summit
Vita slaps
raw turtle
do you guys change essence for visions?
maiden ravine
I do them in fury so I dunno
hallow phoenix
CoF is the way to go
left hatch
i could see an argument being made for null
lotta magic damage, and plays into the ST pump build
ionic fern
CoF/Blast trinket tho.
hallow phoenix
I've been running cyclo like some people suggested and it too is the way to go
ionic fern
Jep.
severe pond
Wich fight avoidance has value/is important in Ny'alotha?
hallow phoenix
Has some value on wrathion I guess
severe pond
The cap still 20%?
severe pond
hmm great, i'll keep my Avoidant rank 2 then
No good corruptions like the haste/TD/EV 😦
hallow phoenix
I finally got infinite stars 2 but it's don't like half the DPS as our brewmasters IS2
ionic fern
👀
hallow phoenix
Actually checking logs the damage is similar
I think details was just being buggy
I see some hate for clockwork heart but I don't see why
tropic oriole
800 vers increase for 20 sec corruption worth going over 40 corruption?
hallow phoenix
It's a shit ton of stats and sims really well
marble cipher
hallow phoenix
Hanoj depends on the content
tropic oriole
m+
hallow phoenix
And I guess the uptime of that buff
tropic oriole
I have t2 ev, t2 void ritual and this vers corruption
hallow phoenix
Over 40 corruption should be quite manageable in some keys
hallow phoenix
I just did two wings each time. Just really hate SW
hallow phoenix
What's changing
tropic oriole
I believe you need only 1 item from a lost area
hallow phoenix
Mwahi I have a question
Defensively, does mastery get better returns the more of it you have? E.g. with 3x BoM putting me at say 75% mastery, would an extra 1% after that 75% be worth more than 1% with only 2x BoM? @ionic fern
blazing gale
Hi I'm starting to gear up for protection to do M+, Is it better to stick with my dps boots 445 Crit mastery with infi stars r3 or go with 460 Haste versatility with no corruption effect? Ifni stars is the only corruption I have available right now
tropic oriole
I have no clue, but is tier 3 is pretty strong
blazing gale
I will probably get the heroic wrathion sword today
hallow phoenix
I would use your corruption piece until you get a better one
Likely swap to the sword in m+ and use the higher ilvl boots, but I've seen IS do decent overall damage in m+
blazing gale
well they are great on raids 2nd damage after rampage
hallow phoenix
Right, in raids
blazing gale
but dungeons they are not so great
hallow phoenix
You can probably expect searing flames to deal 5%ish of your overall
blazing gale
right stars do sub 10 most of the time
hallow phoenix
So if IS3 does that in m+ it's a toss up
blazing gale
thanks 😉 thats what I tought, hope I get shield and sword this week so I can finally start
hallow phoenix
I've been trying for wrathion sword for three weeks now
:(
Right now I really just want the ilvl
blazing gale
this weekd I've done 11/12 on both nm and hc and got 2 items so 😄
sick sentinel
Just get lucky
hallow phoenix
I'm trying kyothi but blizzard has given me bracers every week for about 7 weeks
Luck is not on my side
I did get Skitra shoulders today though!
sweet girder
Someone here could know, does Ineffable Truth stack CDR or/and ppm or just wear 1?
blazing gale
also I currently have equipped 460 chest from nya and helmet + shoulder from titan residduum also 460 I can buy one 475 item so since chest is bis should i replace helmet or shoulders?
vagrant wharf
How viable is it to run 48 Corruption in 18-20s? Debating whether I should be using Rank 3 and rank 1 TD for Keys or just the rank 3
oblique garnet
@vagrant wharf 48 corruption is bit sketch but its doable as long as you dont int your ccs that you need for packs etc on things from beyond
vagrant wharf
I've only really run below 40 on my warrior, so wasn't sure how bad it would get or if that extra damage would be worth the risk
hallow phoenix
I'd replace shoulders? Looks like you want the helm for DC
oblique garnet
I mean if you are living comfortably you can run higher corruption 🤷♀️
blazing gale
thanks 😄
vagrant wharf
I guess, how do you deal with the things from beyond as prot warrior, spell reflect, fear, stun?
hallow phoenix
Those all work
Spell reflect is great provided you don't need it for a pack or boss
oblique garnet
same applies for all of the above tho
vagrant wharf
I suppose I'll have to play around and see how it feels compared to the 19s I did tonight whether it's worth or not
hallow phoenix
I personally just don't fuck with thing from beyond
vagrant wharf
I was on my monk but not sure how I feel about it on the warrior
hallow phoenix
Though if I had a bunch of TD pieces things might change
oblique garnet
monk is worse since stagger triggers so many things
i tried playing with over 40 corruption nzoth and when 5 consecutive things spawned i just gave up
vagrant wharf
Well I have rank 3 on a 475 shield and rank 1 on belt ring and weapon
and it was feeling like with it doing 40% of my overall i could be pushing mroe damage out so that's what peaked my interest
hallow phoenix
Something like atal or FH I would run it
sweet summit
He's a cool dude if you give him a chance
hallow phoenix
But shrine or ML I wouldn't
vagrant wharf
Ya ML on 19 tonight felt pretty punishing as is
I'll give it a shot tomorrow and see how it goes, because it does sim really high for the jump in corruption thanks for the advice
hallow phoenix
Snapping or vertical movement might fuck with thing from beyond in a good way
I haven't tested though
vagrant wharf
I pretty much only pushed on my monk last season so this is the first week I'm messing with my warrior to begin with but with the corruptions I ended up rolling it was my best bet
hallow phoenix
Anyone have experience with thing from beyond and, say, ledges?
strong forum
@sweet girder afaik the CDR stacks
sweet girder
@strong forum i will test later, not sure if worth losing the echoing void over it, it aint 1% EV so might be half-worth it for more thunderclapping.
vagrant wharf
I actually have another question, currently running 3x Deafening Crash 3x Bastion, think it would be great value to drop 2 DCs for a iron fortress and a callious reprsal?
vagrant wharf
I could also drop one one my bastions for a dark heart
hallow phoenix
Bastion is better than HoD imo
Though hod is very good
In general, after 3x bastion 1x DC, you should be looking for meticulous scheming, heart of darkness, or iron fortress for m+
There are other good traits too but those are the top 3 imo
lyric zinc
vagrant wharf
Ya than i think best setup I get is 3x Bastion, 2x DC 1 IF
vagrant wharf
CR
lyric zinc
Thanks😓🤣
hallow phoenix
Both options are CR?
vagrant wharf
CR and Dagger in the back
hallow phoenix
Holdmyaggro I have zero experience with ineffable truth so I cant comment
No no Maz, you have two DC so two azerite pieces. One piece is DC/CR/dagger
What's on the other piece
vagrant wharf
One is either Dagger in the back or DC the other is DC or CR
sick sentinel
anyone know what the typical uptime is with surging vitality in dungeons
hallow phoenix
Well CR has some defensive benefit but... Eh
strong forum
Maz you don't want to stack DC
sharp night
it's the vers on dmg proc and it's not great
sick sentinel
negative. i meant the versatility on dmg taken one
like 50% hitting the tank dummy atm
vagrant wharf
So what's the reasoning just no value from the extra damage from DC stack versus the value of other traits?
hallow phoenix
Right a second DC provides no defensive benefit
vagrant wharf
Ya okay so if Im already going rank 3 and rank 1 TD than i dont need that extra offensive anyways I suppose as well
That would leave me with 3x Bastion, 1x DC, 1x CR, 1x IF
hidden plaza
how does the crit stacking corruption rank for m+? not high?
hallow phoenix
Not high
hidden plaza
so 35 corruption isnt worth it then
hallow phoenix
Depends what else you have
hallow phoenix
EV all the way
wintry ermine
when will TD get nerfed ya think?
sick sentinel
never
strong forum
Anywhere from next week to shadowlands
junior nexus
Hah ;)
cold cosmos
I'm keeping all of my other pieces floating about in my bags just in case TD gets nerfed
vocal jacinth
Block from WM any good for prot?
sick sentinel
one of the best
maiden ravine
Yes, it's fine
Wrathion trinket very solid too
It feels so nice having a 15 done on Tuesday. I feel like I can relax the rest of the week
astral badge
Is the Void Twisted Titanshard worth trying as a prot warrior guys?
i have the void twisted 460 and a rezans eye 455 to swap between so im not sure
sweet summit
Rezan is better than void.
lyric zinc
Im still trying to figure out if this is any good on prot
I will do some runs today to see how it feelz
sick sentinel
what trinkets should I be aiming for?
sweet summit
Vita/rezan/block/scale i guess
sick sentinel
using corrupted aspirants emblem and insignia right now
pastel remnant
is wratrion weapon a good weapon for prot? the proc effect seem to proc often in raid/M+? 460 version
stark ruin
I dont have it, but if I remember correctly, the corruption is underwhelming
It's 5% hp damage every 30 gcd, which is not too good
a T2 EV would do way more damage
sweet summit
Its meh
pastel remnant
so i should remove corruption on it and keep mine ? i ahve infinite star (50 corrupted ) and void ritual (15) ?
for raid
stark ruin
maybe
if you can manage the corruption level it's still extra dps
if that's your best weapon and can't manage the corruption, cleanse it I guess
but 465 weapons are farmable pretty well if you're into m+
pastel remnant
well im at 45 corruption with all this equiped. think i should aim for below 40
stark ruin
I only tank m+ this tier, so I don't know about the raid damage, but you might be able to get away with 45 in the raid
I stay below 40 in m+
pastel remnant
ok thx
craggy harness
are you comfortable with saving and using an SR or CC for an add only you can see?
craggy harness
if you don't want to worry about moving and SRing eyeball damage, under 20. if you don't mind moving a little, and using the odd SR that you don't need on eye ball damage, under 40
if you feel like a legend, under 60 😛
but, seriously, its comfort level, all of the above is fine
stark ruin
I find that the eye is only a minor annoyance
especially in m+
the slow can be more annoying sometimes
craggy harness
you lose the good and bad effect at the same time
stark ruin
if you cleanse a piece of gear, both the corruption value and the effect are gone
sick sentinel
is it ever worth doing?
stark ruin
I cleansed stuff
craggy harness
The pure answer is yes
sick sentinel
like if the effects aren't that good
stark ruin
you can get pieces you'd like to use with shitty corruptions
especially if you have multiple pieces, so you work around you corruption "budget"
I cleansed a pair of boots with extra mastery from all sources
craggy harness
But if you're still trying to find your comfort level, there's a strong argument you'd probably want to save pieces until you have choices, and you can cleanse the outliers
stark ruin
because I have enough better items to have spend my budget on for the next couple of resets
craggy harness
Tanking, not for the uncomfortable.
stark ruin
considering the ever increasing resistance
sick sentinel
do you think a 446 can do heroic nya?
stark ruin
yeah
sick sentinel
or should I stay normal
stark ruin
getting an invite will be tricky though
craggy harness
don't forget to check the #268491842637660160 channel
stark ruin
craggy harness
but that.
ionic fern
@hallow phoenix sorry i'm at work.
That's a weird question..do you mean just block chance wise?
craggy harness
Also, doing normal is a good starting resource
lol
humbleness helps getting in groups tho, asking if they didn't mind a learning tank
technically i'm 8/12 H and 7/12 N :/
sick sentinel
what do you mean technically
craggy harness
i do normal with my guild heh, they haven't gotten as far in normal
still, don't let heroic wrath scare you
from thinking you can't go further
it will feel scary at your ilvl, but plenty doable
(speaking from a personal experience as a 444 ilvl on first kill after 1.5 years away)
round vortex
Hey prot friends. SLightly off topic here. Has anyone sharded Normal Nzoth azerite gear and know how much TR it gives?
rough egret
nzoth and carapace HC azerites are considered as 475 or 460 for scrapping? 😄
strong forum
I'd say 460
shut summit
Yea they give 200 as well
supple glacier
Better going 2 rank 1 TD or 1 TD and 1 Haste??
ruby nexus
mchimba from weekly chest 
round vortex
I tested it
Drops per difficulty - not ilvl
My 460 Azerite gave 40
I 100% researched the tables and everything ebfore asking.
raw turtle
I think it's because the original ilvl is 455 for your piece. But I'm not sure
hushed jasper
Jes howler good or am I better off scrapping it?
ebon hound
It's aight
brisk ferry
with Servant Splitter proc doing about 2-3% of my damage in keys, would I be better off dropping 10ilvls to a weapon with stats?
I asked a similar question last night, but after testing it some the proc is definitely underwhelming in keys
sweet summit
@brisk ferry 10 ilvls is a lot on a weapon, i would not do it
mild ore
thanks
exotic spoke
Morning Prot chat
sweet summit
evening riki 👋
exotic spoke
No! It’s morning!
sweet summit
oh
good morning riki 👋
exotic spoke
Excellent 🙂
lucid dew
does anyone know if you lose your io if you change factions?
exotic spoke
It’ll resync eventually I believe. Has some issues but it’ll sort out
old monolith
455 Rezan vs 460 Wrathion Trinket. Which one is better?
cursive idol
I've just switched to prot and my self healing seems really low. I'm completing 15's but my overall HPS is ~12-15k overall. I do not have any defensive trinkets. Any pointers or obvious newby mistakes?
left hatch
yes. don't look at HPS
left hatch
were a tank built around mitigating damage up front, not healing it back up so trying to use HPS as a metric for 'tankiness' is silly and incentivizes bad play
if yo'ure really concerned about how you're doing you can log your M+ runs, and look at things like EHRPS and % of hits blocked
as well as try and notice if you're overcapping rage
cursive idol
used to a decked out monk so HPS was big
and the healers were bitching it was so low
obviously being a tank i havent ran with many prot warrior so i didnt know what to expect
that makes more sense
strong forum
Hps is nothing of the matter
left hatch
they don't know how warriors work then, unfortunately 90% of our defensiveness comes from shit that won't show up in heal meters like armor, block, parry, verse
strong forum
Warrior don't heal, they just don't take dmg to begin with
Why do people not understand that
left hatch
they want everyone to be Blood DK or s3 monks (:
strong forum
Sorry our HP bar isn't a ping pong ball.
cursive idol
I def dont think i'm over capping rage. i actually feel very rage starved generally.
strong forum
It's like a slow progress bar
Don't spam rage needlessly, know when to you can use rage and when you can't
The aim is to generate as much rage as possible due to how IP and AM work
exotic spoke
@strong forum maybe it’s was because of multiple characters swaps with the same name - regarding the IO delay on faction change
cursive idol
So it would be better to hold onto rage(as long as your not capping or dieing) and not dump into IP whenever you can so you can get more rage?
exotic spoke
@cursive idol looking at HPS, like others have said, is not a good metric. You won’t get a lot of HPS if you’re playing properly.
left hatch
you eventually get into a feel for the flow of rage gen, and will learn like "oh i need to hold onto it a bit for my next SB" vs "oh i have time to just dump into IP now"
leaden grail
idk, in higher keys and probably on most mythic bosses you actually do take damage and hps goes up quite a bit
exotic spoke
You’ll need to rage dump into IP. Make sure you have enough for shield block before you need it. But otherwise dump
leaden grail
but its still not going to be anywhere near monks or other specs
left hatch
its very feelycrafty but as long as you're not delaying SB or going over 100 you're doing fine
exotic spoke
@leaden grail higher than that yeah but not high.
strong forum
If a warri hits 30k hps it's already a fuckton
leaden grail
😦 i just had 27.8k in my underrot +19 feelsbadman
strong forum
Without defensive trinkets
exotic spoke
But you can easily inflate your numbers by playing poorly and prioritizing IP over block. Your healers will hate you though
left hatch
bar going up doesn't make it a good metric to look at and if ppl start fixating on it it starts incentivizing ppl to use awful things like Bloodsport and No Mercy
cause "it makes my hps higher"
strong forum
Or lucid major
leaden grail
lucid is actually solid for m+ though
left hatch
or even shit like sporepods
lucid is only good if you play around it on very high keys
strong forum
Only if you know how to play around it
left hatch
thats not solid. thats niche with a high skill cap
strong forum
^
exotic spoke
I was told by a former co tank that they were a better tank because their tank HPS parses (when they cheesed them) were better than mine
Meanwhile all my damage parses were 90+ average and best parses were 95+
leaden grail
dunno, at some point i started to notice that some trashpacks onehit ignore pain through shieldblock. started using lucid for these packs and it works 🙂
strong forum
I highly dislike naowh advocating lucid major, it reflects poorly for the average player, and even he is often not maximising its use
left hatch
thats... not the erason to use lucid
final mist
Any tank who looks at HPS as a viable metric for tank comparisons is henceforth required to turn in their tank priviledges
left hatch
consuming IP is an inevitability
cursive idol
I really appreciate all the well thought out answers guys. i was scrambling trying to figure out why the fuck my HPS was so bad.
left hatch
you shouldn't expect it up 100% of hte time
exotic spoke
@final mist I agree. He’s pretty..... special. Ask Mandl about him
He runs with Purgatory in M+ and advocates it’s use - among other things
left hatch
esp because in that exact described situation of hitting it through SB Critical block buff via Ava uptime would do more mitigation than reapplying IP
exotic spoke
Correct sir. He’s legit special
leaden grail
maybe it's time to think about my memory usage :p i should try some of these keys without and see if i can do it
left hatch
if you absolutely would 100% die the chainpull
and make giga pulls like that roughly every 2 mins
lucid is your boi
if its just 'nice', 'useful' or lets you ip more
VoP is gonna be better in the long run
both for pumping and letting your healer pump
strong forum
The thing with lucid is also.
If you pop it when you start a fresh pack, you have avatar, LS and SW ready anyway, so by the time lucid runs out, you'll have used those almost anyway
final mist
Warrior tankiness is deceptive @cursive idol
exotic spoke
I wouldn’t use lucid below 22s at all really
final mist
The hardest part for you, as a former BRM, is learning to play proactively over reactively
You should always be using your CDs, essentially
left hatch
we do'nt believe in 'oh shit' buttons here
tame garden
When you play well you take 0 damage. When you play like speg you get globaled
cursive idol
Yeah i heard about the CD use and have been trying to be proactive during SB down time expecially
edgy bone
sup guys
final mist
👏👏
edgy bone
haste and versatility are our best stats right
cursive idol
i have noticed i hold onto things longer than i should but its a habit i wil break
final mist
Make sure you don’t overlap Last Stand and SB too
left hatch
if you delay your SB cast by like 1s between them and use LS to fill in gaps
final mist
That’s a huge mistake I see often
left hatch
you have pretty minor downtime where shit can wack you
and 1s gap here and there of unmitiagted autos > 3s in a row
tame garden
Look to use your defensives. Have shield wall up? Do a bigger pull and use it. Way better than sitting on cds waiting for damage to magically ramp up
final mist
If your healer has CDs, you can probably call them rotationally as well (obviously be careful with shit like Sac)
left hatch
externals are a tool
if you arn't using a tool then find a place for it, or swap it out for something more useful
strong forum
@ticon
Haste + vers for raid
Haste + crit for m+
left hatch
like if you don't absolutely NEED that absorb trinket to live either roll a haste trinket or create situations where you are consuming it on cd to live via mass pulls
if your healers external is going unused, pull ballsier
final mist
Haste and vers are the best stats, but they’re not “drop ilevel for”-levels of best stats
edgy bone
iLvl is king right
final mist
All of the secondaries are pretty close together that it doesn’t really matter
edgy bone
yeah thats something im not used to
final mist
Yeah
left hatch
eh thats how tanks have been for... at least 2 xpacs now
final mist
Obviously if shits same iLevel, you take more attractive stats, but ilevel >> everything else
left hatch
outside of an outlier stat here and there like Haste on BrM all secondaries are prety useful and balanced for tanking
edgy bone
BrM?
north pecan
So tired of shit + players and keys, at 1800 atm through pugs and faction changing to horde. Is Highmountain Tauren the best race to go?
left hatch
so the only thing they get from haste is slightly faster brew regen and faster Jade Winds
the only racials that have any meaningful impact are utility ones
so Belf for horde
otherwise go cosemetic
edgy bone
tauren BIG hp bar
left hatch
^ Dorf, Nelf and Belf are the only really significant racials
strong forum
'big'
left hatch
everything else kidna blanaces out
strong forum
Tauren is also BIG ugly
edgy bone
if u warrior and not the biggest person in the raid
sonic tangle
Tauren master race cmon now
edgy bone
u did something wrong
left hatch
i had to dorf
final mist
“Best” race is relative
sonic tangle
Dorf is second best cuz beards
exotic spoke
And the races Morrison listed are all situationally impactful
north pecan
Well I am just wondering bc I am going change to one today
exotic spoke
But in that situation they are strong
left hatch
yah like honestly just pick what you like the look of most
left hatch
early KR if you have no priest
the skeles in UR
basically anytime you're like 'damn i wish i had a mass purge rn'
final mist
BE is pretty good (esp in m+) because AoE purge, Tauren’s got Stam buff + Crit dmg/heal buff, trolls have berserk and shit, Orcs are Orcs, Nightborne are the best transmog wise (which is by far the most important metric), etc
There’s no “this is the best race”
exotic spoke
Goblin mobility / haste has always been attractive to me
I like having mobility options personally
tame garden
Riki attracted to goblins confirmed
final mist
Zandalari racials are pretty good, vulpera are decent too, etc
tame garden
left hatch
theres virtually no situation where you'll go "if i was X race i would have lived"
outside of Dorf
exotic spoke
And when I was horde I was a goblin
final mist
TL;DR pick what you like best
exotic spoke
Dwarf / DID can legit cheese some raid / M+ mechanics
final mist
I was a tauren from vanilla to Cata, where I swapped to BE and was that until Legion when NB were released
north pecan
Yes but I am trying to get off of alliance side since it is dead
exotic spoke
Night elves in M+ if your whole group are night elves
final mist
Right, but what I’m saying is that there’s no “one” best race
exotic spoke
Hippy, there are some servers which are really active. Others are dead.
strong forum
High m+ should be popping in alliance tho
final mist
They’re all situationally useful
exotic spoke
High M+ is pretty good. I’ve met a lot of people and started grouping with them after moving to Sargeras
wooden radish
its also 11am
left hatch
well using Group finder i can see where you have an issue
wooden radish
EST
left hatch
arn't there discords to help pug higher lvl keys
cause group finder is reserved for the true 4heads?
(idk for sure cause i dont pug)
final mist
Yes
tame garden
Yeah 11am is too early for degenerate ally players
They will wake up a couple hours from now
tame garden
Lmao
wooden radish
@ionic fern ban this dope. he called you a kid.
north pecan
Im just tired of waiting 20 minutes to fill a 17
left hatch
don't use Group finder for it
im fairly certain you'll have the same issue on horde high pop too
im not saying don't swap but
it wont necessarily solve that issue
exotic spoke
@left hatch you and me. Let’s go. Were fighting now. Well by now I mean when j get home from work
wooden radish
i have no issues finding keys to do on horde via group finder 🤷♂️
north pecan
idk, i swapped a veng dh and got to 1600 in two days in s3
left hatch
wed have to duel riki cause im alli too lmfao
north pecan
just bc more ppl
tame garden
Yeah ally lfg vs horde lfg is night and day
exotic spoke
I had no problem filling the shrine 18 I posted in lfg last night
Hrmmm. That feels like work Morrison. It’ll probably be like a 15 minute duel or time out to a draw >.>
brisk ferry
highest proc rate of TD
tame garden
Last night I had to solo the last 10% of king mechagon
When he popped out of his suit I thought it was over
But it took like another minute for us to duke it out
exotic spoke
Regarding M+ activity - I think a lot of it on alliance comes from communities - not LFG
Hey we need a dps. Anyone know someone?
People check realids / discord’s
left hatch
networking
exotic spoke
We scuffed shrine18. Should have timed it but tried some new things
exotic spoke
Yeah Morrison. Like as I get people in my discord and play with them I’m going to start making my little community and pull from there
west kayak
Question on two corruptions. I have the Rank 3 Haste proc one and just got the Rank 3 TD and now corruption is too high. Do I keep both but only wear one until my cloak is higher or do I cleanse one?
exotic spoke
Dps missed a kick on last boss. If that didn’t happen we time it (only over by 26 seconds)
Some pull combinations to push our limits. I think the only boss we heroed was last boss
north pecan
idk I always just push my keys, and add one friend a group
north pecan
but thats about it for making a community for me
exotic spoke
A dh
tame garden
strong forum
Eyo riki, hit me up with a route, haven't done a single shrine this season
left hatch
hmmmmmmm sounds a lot like a mysterious 4head dh that hangs around here a lot
missing kicks
scuffing keys
exotic spoke
Aight, I’ll send it when I get home
strong forum
Seems giga scuffed so far
left hatch
being pink
exotic spoke
Wasn’t @warm plinth he’s horde
strong forum
Like, you can't get enough % unless you kill tankbuster where he's at
exotic spoke
I liked the route. Just tried some pull combinations and pushing our limits
Nah
Nah son.
exotic spoke
Tank buster was before windspeaker yeah?
strong forum
Ye
exotic spoke
Just clear up a few packs and pull them back
north pecan
exotic spoke
Then skip rune carver and elemental
north pecan
Well average time ;p
exotic spoke
Nome, we used every obelisk for a skip
strong forum
Ye that I know
left hatch
eh id pull more at the start and less of hte bridge
strong forum
Just couldn't figure out how / where to get % around tankbuster properly
left hatch
too many kicks on bridge that you'll miss a few = lost dps
strong forum
Bridge you skip as much as possible
left hatch
yah just looking at his route
wooden radish
you can skip part of the bridge and most of the front
left hatch
he skips start and full clears after bridge
exotic spoke
Skip big water ele for first.
Skip rune carver and bridge ele for second
Skip all the trash post boss 2 to the large bridge for third
Kill two packs on bridge (1 tentacle and left pack) then skip other pack with last obelisk
strong forum
Like you take obelisk at 2nd boss all the way to next pillar
wooden radish
you can also skip the caster mini-boss
exotic spoke
Yeah nome
torn gulch
So I got a 475 socketed sporepod in ym m+ chest can I actually use it? Is the heal decent?
left hatch
nope
oblique garnet
Nope
left hatch
its one of the 3 worst in the game
strong forum
Nope
oblique garnet
left hatch
my condolences on your loss
strong forum
Incidentally, all tank trinkets from Dungeons are crap :)
exotic spoke
We clear the whole first area before you’d drop down to the water ele
Obelisk to before boss 1
Clear up to rune carver (including the other pack in his room) skip past bridge ele
Kill all remaining trash before boss 3 - skip to third obelisk
Kill 2 bridge packs (tentacles and left) skip past other pack
Kill everything that’s left in dungeon
left hatch
yah thats what iv been doing riki
torn gulch
I genuinely wanna puke I might actually have to spend 1-2 mill on a 475 shield because at this rate there is no way I can get a proper shield this patch
modern brook
I got good news
left hatch
little bit of backtracking and no obelisk left for boss but
wooden radish
clearing the caster mini boss on bolster big yikes RIki
modern brook
Thays not how probability works
exotic spoke
Snap the 4 adds around windspeaker away from her @wooden radish
tame garden
Actual joke
strong forum
Oh yeah BTW, sigil of warding, is it 280k physical and 700k magical at max cap, or does magical only increase the shield itself to a cap of 430k total
Like, is the 430k on top of the 280k, or up to 430k.
Cuz it's kinda cryptic
elder berry
IF YOU STAND IN THAT BOWL THING WHERE THIS SKIP APPEARS IN sOTs YOU CAN PULL THE SMALL ADDS AROUND HE WITHOUT HER AGGRO TOO
sry on caps
supple glacier
The haste currupt is good??
exotic spoke
Yup. That’s the snap the adds away. Just taunt pull while you’re in there
supple glacier
Or is better 2 TD??
tame garden
TD better dps
west kayak
But the haste proc has a ~33% uptime, unless you have the percentage from all sources one.
left hatch
why not just run both
exotic spoke
I’d still take TD / the bleed / the mind flay / ev / is over those
left hatch
even tier 3 haste + TD 2 is managable
lyric zinc
What are azerite traits im looking to have for m+? other then 3 bastions ?
supple glacier
Y but 40 currupt is to much for me
exotic spoke
3 bastion 1 DC and pick two
exotic spoke
IF / BfI / HoD / Met Schemeing are good options
left hatch
no copy me ):<
limpid locust
How much corruption would be recommended to run as tank? Is it below 40?
tame garden
Up to 59 if you're a gamer
left hatch
yeh ikik im just joshing you
tame garden
Up to 39 if you're not
exotic spoke
❤️
lyric zinc
Is Crystalline Carapace any good ?
left hatch
not really
ornate ferry
Fusion hacker 2 weeks in row from M+ chest. Feels bad
warm plinth
💤
exotic spoke
I’d take that as a 475 over the 465 I’m using
warm plinth
👋
left hatch
@lyric zinc theres almost always a better option like Overwhelming Power, Unstable Flame, or even the flat stat buffs like LifeSpeed
exotic spoke
I just hope I get a weapon from wrathion or a boe shield this week
Don’t even care if it has a socket or whatever - though an indestructible shield is nice
Sockets inc next week 🙂
hallow phoenix
Being able to add sockets is the only thing I'm a fan of this corruption patch
exotic spoke
Can get a socket a week soon!
tame garden
Horrific visions are great
Buyable sockets are great
No forging is great
Why did they ruin it
With corruption
exotic spoke
I think it’s funny though. People said I was wrong for advocating doing more than just the minimum as its too hard and not worth the risk
hallow phoenix
But titsnforging never had as big an impact as corruptions I feel
analog swift
you were wrong
exotic spoke
I will cut you theseus
left hatch
i mean... i have guildies that were advocating bare minimum that don't even have the sanity restore on elite kill yet
tame garden
Ppl were scared
left hatch
so you might have a point
exotic spoke
Meanwhile I don’t have my cloak level up this week and maxed out the talent tree 🙂
tame garden
Things changed tho. Cloak being capped and way more coalescing visions per week
Made it a lot less risky
To go big early
exotic spoke
And an extra run
warm plinth
I wanna push for 4 mask clear this week, maybe 5 if I get an extra vessel
exotic spoke
A week from the coalescing Vision change
warm plinth
Gotta get me that title
tame garden
I dont see myself being able to 5mask fullclear for a while still
tame garden
Cuz I'm bad
exotic spoke
Ahhh well 👍
left hatch
its "the faceless one"
warm plinth
The Faceless zone
left hatch
so arguably as good
warm plinth
Really phone? You autocorrected One to Zone?
warm plinth
It’s badass
exotic spoke
The change blizzard made with healers in groups like 4 days ago made things a joke
Too
steel spire
how good is echoing void? Should i swap it out instead of twisted appendage
exotic spoke
Damage wise it’s probably best to sim. I believe there are charts which show the best dps per point of Corruption for those procs / direct damage abilities
I honestly don’t know cause I don’t have either and don’t look at the ones I don’t have because I don’t want to be sad
That said, answering that question in a vacuum is almost impossible
keen bluff
How does mitigation on DoT effects work? For example if Demo shout is up for Breath are all the searing armors reduced? Or does it only affect the ticks while debuff is on the boss?
exotic spoke
We don’t know what other options you have what you’re comfortable playing at etc
left hatch
hmmm that sa good question. does BS snapshot
id assume it the DR fades when BS does but not 100%
warm plinth
It does.
left hatch
snapshot or fade?
hallow phoenix
Yes
warm plinth
It fades
exotic spoke
Just give the mobs the Slider Kopita and you’ll be fine @keen bluff
steel spire
Thanks @exotic spoke guess i'll play around and see it myself
warm plinth
Snapshotting on anything is almost nonexistent now unless you’re a feral druid.
left hatch
i wanna say warlocks have something that snapshots too but
keen bluff
Thanks i a getting a lot of push from my raid lead about how the second breath on mythic wrathion needs to be mitigated by sr and ds and ip. I find myself pretty raged starved on the fight as well.
left hatch
imagine being a warlock in 2020
you can survive breath 2 with LS and SR
you don't need to sit on BS
imo
exotic spoke
Demo shout * not BS
exotic spoke
If you think you won’t have a CD call for an external
It’s ok Morrison - I forgive you
keen bluff
Apparently the externals are for the dps.
exotic spoke
And, though it’s NOT recommend if you find you’re still having issues undying gift will line up for every one
Wait what?
keen bluff
Literally what i said and was told.
hallow phoenix
I just spell reflect the second one with last stand
I take the breaths that time with incinerate otherwise I'd probably save LS too
inland mesa
If tanking first, I last stand SR first 2nd hit, and then SR SW the 2nd one
exotic spoke
I tank it second and will wall first one and or get an external. Pretty much every time
Wall first “second breath” sorry I wasn’t clear
chilly brook
Like I'm not playing anymore but like the dps should almost never ever need an external
inland mesa
unless they're saving it for higher stack people that get to run out twice? but even then, freedom tiger lust it off and make them run farther
hallow phoenix
I don't even know what mechanic DPS would need an external for
chilly brook
That's the problem
exotic spoke
Just freedom, cloak, whatever monks have, avatar, druid, etc.
chilly brook
It's not for mechanics
exotic spoke
It’s so easy
inland mesa
avatar? that doesn't drop our stacks o.O
hallow phoenix
Yes it does
warm silo
It does yeah
tame garden
Why
inland mesa
of the mythic slow? do you have to get to 50 and pop it?
exotic spoke
If you die you die
inland mesa
what....I have to go back and watch my vods I swear I've never noticed it take it off
exotic spoke
Avatar does. It’s great 🙂
hallow phoenix
Avatar removes all snares
warm silo
Avatar removes snares and roots
tame garden
warm silo
Bladestorm also works for fury and arms
hallow phoenix
Druid shapeshifting
chilly brook
@keen bluff what was your raid leaders explanation for dps needing externals?
inland mesa
well what do you know, I'm usually so stationary I didn't even notice it XD
I guess that's helpful in a bind
warm silo
Everyone can just race swap to gnome aswell tbh and ur all set
exotic spoke
But dwarf
hallow phoenix
No buts
exotic spoke
BUT DWARF
inland mesa
our rekill of Xanesh is on pace to take more pulls than our first kill, we shit the bed last night 😦
exotic spoke
It be like that some times
hallow phoenix
Xanesh enrages me
Because our RL assigns people to play soccer and they just go "are you SURE you want me to do soccer? I really shouldn't"
exotic spoke
I have to do it. Well all tanks / healers have to. Sooooo lucky me
hallow phoenix
Yeah I do it
keen bluff
@chilly brook nothing other then that the tanks are requiring them and if I stack everything on 2nd breath they can use them on there people.
hallow phoenix
Haven't convinced my cotank to do it yet
inland mesa
we got to 8% like 9 times and the 4th group messed it up
and the one time they didn't we missed like 2 fears
exotic spoke
@hallow phoenix it’s a dps loss to have a tank not do it
hallow phoenix
I'm aware
exotic spoke
That’s all the reasoning needed lol
hallow phoenix
My raid has very little team play self awareness
grand drum
You can 1 tank xanesh right?
hallow phoenix
Probably?
tame garden
For normal and heroic yes
chilly brook
@keen bluff that's so incredibly stupid "if we dont use it on you then we might have it up to possibly save someone in some weird situation instead of just using it and getting max benefit"
inland mesa
mythic the 4th hit does 750k...so I dunno about solo
hallow phoenix
Just parry it
primal crypt
tame garden
analog zinc
elder berry
grats
elder berry
Imagine getting double vita on your first H Raden kill and not be able to trade one. I felt bad. Still had inkpod and coral
on my dps set
elder berry
yea i just had both of em H and my coral has socket still trying to farm a M one
neat pebble
Hey whats the bis Shield for Warri?
Got 475 Mecha-Schield with lvl 2 Corupt (versaprog on block)
tame garden
475 motherlode shield with socket and TD
Gl with that tho
Only the most skilled warriors will get it
exotic spoke
@tame garden
tame garden
Fishing for good cache loot is the most important skill you can have this patch
tame garden
exotic spoke
This is not a game
exotic spoke
I’ll make a nice bearskin rug if he keeps it up
tame garden
sullen valve
:honk:
exotic spoke
Hi!
sullen valve
Hey Riki
exotic spoke
How’s it going?
wooden radish
@ionic fern your cat is back
exotic spoke
Yay! Mwahis cat returned!!
warm plinth
Hi @wooden radish
wooden radish
Hi Pinky
tame garden
🐻 👍
fresh charm
gg
carmine wadi
11% overall dps in 13 sots
winged grail
What to gamble on - chest, head or spaulders...
Got chest already (bad but well, 480 vs 450)
prisma crane
they need to add rng protection to those rolls
no duplicates
in some cases with bad luck would STILL be more expensive than the specific purchase.
but spending weeks and weeks of a currency only to get 3 of the same item in a roll is bullshit
er...
excuse me
"fun and engaging content"
chilly brook
@prisma crane didn't you know excessive RNG keeps the game engaging and fresh!
craggy harness
That's why counterstrike is still a game
exotic spoke
If you want a single specific item you should save
craggy harness
and became a game
ANYONE can be a winner!
And as per Ninja if you're not a winner, you're a loser!
[take with an entire box of salt, plz]
exotic spoke
It’s like a 46% chance of failing if you random roll compared to saving up
chilly brook
Aside from skins
craggy harness
ak. other guns.
chilly brook
None of the guns in cs are rng
exotic spoke
You stand still and follow the pattern and you’ll hit it
craggy harness
It has a pattern, but the way scan hit works vs weapons that travel
chilly brook
They all have a very specific recoil pattern
craggy harness
made the game much more rng
exotic spoke
AK is like an upside down question mark
craggy harness
before CS, the top games were Quake and Unreal
exotic spoke
Zero rng
chilly brook
You mean projectiles and hitscan?
craggy harness
yeah
exotic spoke
I can’t believe im agreeing with Griff
chilly brook
Cuz none of that is rng
craggy harness
it's not rng in the sense of that
but when you put the teams running at each other
its a kind of rng
more so than games where there are more projectile stuff.
but anyway, off topic by far lo
chilly brook
No
craggy harness
lol
chilly brook
Not rng at all
craggy harness
shrugs people got into cs
because everyone felt they could win
its not "rng" roll a dice
but the idea of balancing something to the point where
"anyone can win, fun"
chilly brook
And all of CSGO is hitscan btw
craggy harness
i know.
strong forum
That's not rng risen, that's called skill based
chilly brook
And that has nothing to do with why people got into CS
strong forum
Rng is if its 100% out of your control
chilly brook
CS is entirely skill based
strong forum
Which no shooter is
chilly brook
If your aim is better you win
craggy harness
at the high levels, the skill is placement and strats
but the reason the population got into the original cs
tame garden
Still no rng
strong forum
Is because there's nothing else to play
craggy harness
was because everyone could shoot two bullets and kill someone
strong forum
And they're still hung on it
craggy harness
completely destroyed quake and unreal
chilly brook
You like arena shooters, others like tactical shooters, neither are inherently more rng
strong forum
Ye you confused it with timing
craggy harness
not timing per se
strong forum
Being at the wrong spot at the wrong time in csgo can make or break the round
Which translates to tactic
Knowledge
craggy harness
at high levels yes, but not the casual levels
chilly brook
Even at the casual levels
strong forum
Nobody cares about casuals
lyric zinc
How is the Weapon corruption from Wrathion? Any worth keeping ?
strong forum
Eh if you have nothing better, it's like 1.5k-2k dps
chilly brook
You dont get out of the casual level without learning the more nuanced stuff and utilizing it in any shooter
Or any game for that matter
craggy harness
the entry level was much easier in cs
strong forum
It still is
chilly brook
Yea that's why a huge amount of the population is stuck in silver right?
craggy harness
than the other games that weren't hitscan
strong forum
I can go in with 0 knowledge ( like I have cuz I hate Cs) and top frag with awp
craggy harness
I"m still trying to figure out the history
of people scamming those reward loot boxes
exotic spoke
Those loot boxes made me bank
craggy harness
and loot gamlbing sites
exotic spoke
It was great
craggy harness
i say scamming, i don't mean you
exotic spoke
It started out just betting on professional matches. Then became “casino” esque
exotic spoke
But people didn’t advertise their ownership / it wasn’t as legit as it claimed
craggy harness
shrugs
strong forum
1 button and you could win a 1.5k dollar skin
exotic spoke
I mean I made like 1.8k
strong forum
Any shooter is easy
craggy harness
Uh.
strong forum
Csgo is just ultra bare bones
craggy harness
Quake dueling
strong forum
And people for some reason like it
strong forum
Depends on your definition of easy
exotic spoke
It’s easy to learn any shooter really. Skills carry over to some degree
craggy harness
dueling barrier of entry is problematic i imagine everywhere
warm plinth
I can't play shooters well on PC because I'm bad at aiming
warm plinth
Idk if it's my mouse grip or just how my brain works. But like...I'll get super close to the person but it's like I can't make my hand move the mouse just that tiny bit so I end up overshooting
strong forum
I find shooters in general easy, very simple to pick up on, especially when physics are involved
warm plinth
I can't do the minor adjustments needed to be good at it
strong forum
Cuz the verticality and fast movement make it easier to predict positioning
warm plinth
I think what really messes me up is right-clicking for ADS because then my hand is already kinda tense just from having to click that, but haven't found another key/button that makes that any better.
strong forum
The movement of quake made it easier to hit, when the hidden fucking not displayed spray patterns of csgo where you're forced to stand still annoy the living hell out of me
warm plinth
Nah I've played with a lot of mice. I think I'm just genetically bad at it 😂
craggy harness
Went through 10 years where i tried every mouse
warm plinth
I can usually do well enough to break even or be a little positive most of the time but I'll never be those crazy dudes with like 2.5 KDR
strong forum
Right clicking can indeed fuck over your aim
Cuz you push too hard
When clicking, making yourself automatically miss
warm plinth
Yeah
craggy harness
also there's the shape of how you press the button
with your fingers
the flat print part, or the point
strong forum
That's why flicking feels easier than just aiming straight
craggy harness
*tip
warm plinth
I think my average KDR in FPS is probably like 1.1 or 1.2 at most, depending on the game
strong forum
Cuz you are already in a movement
craggy harness
Also depends on the game and your mood
a game like CS and CoD... can reward patience in the right moments
in terms of KDR
strong forum
There's alot of factors in shooters, im incredibly inconsistent cuz I rarely play
craggy harness
but you may not want to be patient
warm plinth
Yeah, I do quite a bit better on console but I'm not about to play CoD with M/K gamers lol
When I'm on a controller
strong forum
Oof controller
craggy harness
lol, i played xbox 360 cod with a mouse keyboard adapter