(minor)
#protection
paper valley
left hatch
yeh VoP major
and wardens is pretty blah
a lot of the healing results in overhealing because of how it procs
so only take it if you need corruption resistance and like... everyone in your group is running passive essences like VoP so Formless void will never proc
paper valley
makes sense thanks
eager rose
Thoughts about my new bracers compared to one with secondaries on them still with infinite stars
keen girder
can someone help me in this pls? still dont understand value of corruption procs vs tank stats
hallow phoenix
Well what are your others
And infinite stars is good.
Use the 460 for survival and the 445 for damage
Unless you have like TD 3
keen girder
is my only 3
eager rose
Ya the difference is simple, do you want to do more damage or be more tanky
The answer is normally the former
keen girder
tanky 🙂 tyvm!!!
keen girder
oooooo right!! then echoing void is and will clean my gaunts with void ritual 2 🙂
eager rose
Some stats you get both tanky and dps but I still think echoing void has to sim a lot higher than that vers proc
keen girder
tyvm loki and tusks 🙂 appreciate it
left hatch
why not just run both?
keen girder
yup is a 14% dmg upgrade
eager rose
Nice
keen girder
@left hatch i can try some runs but in m+ tha tthing from beyond gets me chillss hahah
left hatch
not on game rn but you should be able to run 75 corruption (before resistance) without getting to the 40 bracket
keen girder
60 from bootss +35 from gaunts - 45 resist gets you to 50 corruption
eager rose
Just stay under 60 you should be ok I think
left hatch
ah didnt see any gauntlets just the 2 linked options
keen girder
under 60 is ok? ok perfect 🙂 tyvm guys im new to tanking this season ill try it like that 🙂
eager rose
But play smart with it
left hatch
and yah, i was running 45 last week and will be running 55 this one after i get my cloak upgrade
eager rose
You have to be good
left hatch
just keep the 460 ones around as a just in case option
keen girder
when thing appears is using ccs for it right? stormbolt mainly
left hatch
that or you can SR it
or just eat it, it does max 36% of your health before mitigations
so if you have an IP up for it or any cd besides last stand its pretty manageable
eager rose
Or cloak or run
keen girder
thats nice didnt knew it wass so few dmg 🙂
warm plinth
Except demo shout since you’d have to cast it after TfB spawned and was in range
eager rose
Demo shout works? What's range?
warm plinth
Idk. 10 yards or something?
keen girder
yup 10
warm plinth
I mean, I’m assuming it works but there’s no realistic situation where you’d be trying to put it on TFB anyway
Because you’re not gonna hold it. And you’re not gonna wait for it to get in range before you cast it most likely since if you have that much time you can just stun it
left hatch
^ BS is only held for the defensive component in prog mythic raiding and really high keys anyway
otherwise its use its for the dps gain
warm plinth
Only time you’d hit it with DS is by chance really
eager rose
Ya
So what did you guys think about these bracers and the loss of secondary stats on equivalent piece
left hatch
equivilant ilvl secondaries are better
and IS is one of the less valuable dmage procs for M+
outside of like Workshop
eager rose
Ah k, what about the avoidance and parry?
left hatch
still not worth losing the secondaries
its a pretty lackluster macro and forget on use
eager rose
Ah k, how much does a none avatar thunder clap do compared to the 6.5k damage of these
I am assuming non split damage
left hatch
not sure why thats a comparison because its not a choice between the two, but it depends on your ilvl and weapon ilvl
for me a nonbuffed tclap does like 11k
ignoring verse stacks from CnS and stuff
eager rose
Ah k
So the 6.5 isnt really much at all
Unless the 11k is shared damage? Or non shared
left hatch
no tclap isn't shared
thats per target
and its only the tooltip damage
in combat its a lot higher cause procs, stacks, crit etc
eager rose
This damage from these bracers is unequipped tooltip, will damage change once I equip them?
left hatch
i do'nt know if hte tooltip changes but im fairly certain it scales with verse
i don't think the tooltips for effects like that are as dynamic as class abilities
eager rose
Ah k thanks for info
I do think 500+ avoidance could be worth a bit defensively though
left hatch
its a pretty insignificant amount with low uptime
albeit it bracers dont have a ton of secondaries
those are probably the weakest bracers in the game
at comparable ilvl
left hatch
but avoidance isn't incredible outside of prog raiding
what non targeted aoe mechanic in dungeons really hurt
that you can't easily avoid with good play
left hatch
its targeted on you
so im pretty sure avoidance does not apply
unless you're stacking and clipping each other
eager rose
Hmmm ya I could see that
Sandstorm aoe damag first boss I believe
I dont know if it damages or just moves you
Feel like it damages
left hatch
the sandstorm isn't significant though
the bad damage in that comes from the burrow
which isn't impacted
left hatch
the only scary mechanic that might be impacted is the puke from cragmaw
but you can also out range that
eager rose
I normally find my self in danger after melee before and after
The next two boses there do a lot of aoe damage too right?
left hatch
next to none with proper play
left hatch
end of the day you can rationalize it all you want but
6% avoidance ish that you either pop on cd so probably isn't up when you need it
or save for what ifs
isn't worth ~3-4% of a mix of other stats
left hatch
eh someone links those bracers at least once every other day
and gets really disapointed
same with the mechagon shield
they go 'oh look absorb with damage reflect'
not realizing that the absorb is so small and procs so infrequently that it has virtually 0 uptime
left hatch
procs instead of stats are really hard to balance
they either end up VERY strong or horribly undertuned
like Servent Splitter is VERY good esp in ST
to the point it was worth dropping 10 ilvls in st and 5ilvls in aoe for during EP
eager rose
What is that servant splitter?
wooden radish
@ionic fern hello
elder berry
is the fire dot weapon from mech decent?
eager rose
Ah ya
left hatch
yeh its pretty gud
or diver's folly for DH
though that might be a bad example cause i think that still had secondaries
ionic fern
@wooden radish hi sir.
wooden radish
@ionic fern how are you?
wooden radish
@ionic fern 4/4 on upgrades
then all the azerite i can buy
@ionic fern did you hear the sad story of our friend @sullen valve 😦
sullen valve
@ionic fern the story is quite sad you might want to sit down
ionic fern
Wat
exotic spoke
What happened?
sullen valve
I got kicked from raiding
exotic spoke
I miss you thyme
left hatch
thyme heals all wounds
sullen valve
I miss yall
harsh lotus
I usually make a OS prot set throughout the patch, I got a 12% versa from all sources. Is that a thing for prot? It's a slight upgrade for my dps spec, but it also wants me to cleanse it.
harsh lotus
Word, i'll cleanse then
exotic spoke
@sullen valve can you tell us about WoWA though?
harsh lotus
If it were top tier for prot i'd just tuck it away
sullen valve
Did you guys know wowA is great amazing tool
the absolute best
no other tool comes close
left hatch
yo'ull most likely use the same stuff you use for your Fury set
TD>other damage procs
haste / crit procs
etc
sullen valve
@exotic spoke 😉 you might be able to use wowA on private logs soon
exotic spoke
Oh shit son
left hatch
he wasn't promoting WowA enough had to let him go
ruby quiver
Do I cleanse glimpse for prot? Are they helpful in dmg mitigation wise?
left hatch
not really, glimpse most likely is just going to give you a free clap everytime it procs
exotic spoke
@wooden radish they yelled at us the last time we tried to make that a thing
exotic spoke
You know.... they. The non brown names
exotic spoke
Lol
Sigh. I can’t even do my job at work cause of IT issues but I can’t go home
This sucks. I can’t even browse the Internet cause the internet and intra net is down
undone sun
@exotic spoke 🤗
fervent helm
Hey, i have some problems holding aggro in mechagon on Tussle Tonks. The heal get it at start always. What can i do?
elder berry
vigilance and taunt sp... oh nvm... Idk my guy
mental scarab
ruby nexus
What essences are recommended workshop?
exotic spoke
Depending on the level / your corruption - the same as always
VoP major and then pick 3 of CnS lucid sphere aegis and if you need corruption resistance / your group as on use majors formless
sick sentinel
Weird question- but can you get a shield from the weapon emmisary? Or will it always be a 1H tanking weapon?
elder berry
I think that is a great question
sick sentinel
I’ve just had horrid luck. Was gonna try the TW cache too.
exotic spoke
Whats your shield Ilvl right now?
ruby nexus
I think i got a shield on my alt
exotic spoke
I think the lfr / normal shields are pretty cheap on most servers
sick sentinel
I just came back at the beginning of 8.3 from not playing since Uldir
Ok; I’ll check the AH as well.
exotic spoke
Could try to find a 445 shield on the AH if you have some gold
Don’t worry about corruption in it imo. You’ll replace it with higher ilvls
Just get a cheap one that’s 445 (or if you see a heroic one that’s a good price 460)
distant crystal
did you do the weapon emissary
already?
oh
that was the og question lol
yes, you can
ruby nexus
yea, you can get a shield from wep emissary
sick sentinel
Awesome! Well I know what I’m gonna do and hope
craggy harness
what are heroic shields going for on more active servers?
don't feel like going to undermine or whatever the site is
(Says that, and goes anyway)
ruby quiver
I’m currently using lucid as major, but I see these high key prot war using CnS as major a lot. Are they that good? Or are majors based on preference?
exotic spoke
Heroic shields should be going for less on active servers
hallow phoenix
I use cns major in two situations: necrotic when there is literally no other peel and in TD because I hate mobs that run away from me
exotic spoke
If I remember what I saw yesterday correctly
hallow phoenix
Also with cns major you can pull the entire outside area in TD and keep the mobs still and make your unholy DK want to marry you
distant crystal
just bring an orb build mage
and everybody runs out when things start getting low
mage can block off the bursting 😄
exotic spoke
What about me though Waat?
exotic spoke
Nah. Not doing it
exotic spoke
I ain’t about that life
hallow phoenix
It's fun
hallow phoenix
That's fun too
exotic spoke
Hooray! Now I have internet. Perfect timing too. Most of the office is about to leave so I can slack in peace
maiden ravine
hmm, ring with Glimpse of Clarity, probably just cleanse it
exotic spoke
I wouldn’t cleanse it yet. Personally I want to try it out defensively. Heard somethings for other specs.
Offensively it’s ehhh. Defensively maybe it has niche uses
maiden ravine
haha, the 475 helm I bought has ToM AND CSHB, I miiiiiight spend a lot of gold reforging this piece
but I care about tanking better right now
exotic spoke
What are the prot traits?
left hatch
Defensively itll be annoying af to use though, imagine the willpower of delaying a slam or clap w/e it procs till you use a defensive
And thata assuming it procs when youre about to ise a cd anyway
exotic spoke
Wait, is glimpse of clarity the one that effects all CDs or just next one?
maiden ravine
BoM/Callous and Deafening and has Vampiric Speed
left hatch
Just next bu 3s
exotic spoke
Yeah fuck that
maiden ravine
It's a 30 ilvl upgrade, I'm using it regardless for tanking since that's what I do more right now
left hatch
Even ineffible seems meh, i think each proc of higher tier version just removes 5s from cds ):
So as much as like 1 IP
Haste % probably lowers more through rage gen
Though im way too lazy to napkin math that
hallow phoenix
Doesn't it reduce SB and SS CDs too tho
left hatch
Id assume so but thatd be kinda niche use
Op on like 3 bosses cause Of the extra SR and outside that eh
maiden ravine
unless it like constantly procs and you can use it on SB and SS, but then we're fast bois as it is
woo, 5 ilvl average up, gain 60k hp
hallow phoenix
Big
maiden ravine
I gave in and bought one 460 piece after the 475
left hatch
Stam gains actually exciting with TD
maiden ravine
yaaaas, my key is a 13 ToS
it's fort week
and no shitty explosive
Imma gunna 2 or 3 chest that sucker
yeah, glimpse may be 1 ppm affected by haste
It does wait until you actually use an ability with a CD
sweet summit
I pray for td in my chest tomorrow 🙏
inland mesa
we did it mom
marble cipher
I only run keys on my warrior 😦
analog zinc
the proc is whatev
marble cipher
and hold servant for raids (should I ever tank those, I run fury in raids)
hallow phoenix
But yeah use scimitar in m+
tired hawk
Hey, I just got the BoE ring (460, 274 crit 290 haste with socket)
Should I equip or sell?
it would replace 445 ring 209 haste 329 vers
craggy harness
what's the addon that puts the % value increase next to the raw number value
the 1.04% in the above screenshot next to +71 haste
tired hawk
idk
craggy harness
i rolled a 470 weapon with corruption that is still simming worse than wrath 460
1/4 since 8.3 of usable stuff lol
west galleon
can anyone tell me for m+ if a 2nd dc or if 1 dc and cr or bloodsport is better
i'm 
craggy harness
1 DC is all you need
craggy harness
still better than just extra dmg, you don't extend the time
warm plinth
You can go either way on those really. Go DC for straight damage or CR/BS for a little more survival.
It's not a huge difference either way
After the 1st DC
sick sentinel
Id go dc
warm plinth
Same. Me likey damage
maiden ravine
I got a 470 ring that I am going to cleanse haha, bought some azerite though
warm plinth
@prisma crane I can now stalk you on Twitter 🙂
chilly brook
@sick sentinel I wouldn't call CR negligible
Considering that 1.5% scales as you add more sources of damage
prisma crane
grizzled star
@marble cipher what addon is telling you the corruption tier/name?
warm plinth
It's called like Corruption Tooltips or something like that
brisk ferry
Hey everyone, for strictly M+ should I run 470 servant splitter or 460 faralos, empire's dream (Wrathion sword)?
I plan to cleanse the sword as I have twilight devastation already
warm plinth
You're a rock splitter
distant crystal
i'll split your rock
distant crystal
i hear you'll let anyone split it
brisk ferry
alright sounds good, thanks
warm plinth
How you gonna send a duplicate message after like 3 other messages have already gone through 😂
distant crystal
messages taking several seconds to successfully send
hnnnnnnngh
messages taking several seconds to successfully send
and yeah discord is eating shit rn
weapon secondaries are p minor compared to wdps
outer dew
😍
@warm plinth only thing getting split is girls hearts knowing I'm with you
@warm plinth only thing getting split is girls hearts knowing I'm with you
@warm plinth only thing getting split is girls hearts knowing I'm with you
@warm plinth only thing getting split is girls hearts knowing I'm with you
distant crystal
lol
brisk ferry
alright sounds good, thanks
outer dew
😍
pallid berry
is ruinous bolt better then callous reprisal?
both are damage choices but i dunno which ones gonna result in more
marble cipher
@grizzled star as answered already, it's corruption tooltips indeed
sharp night
hallow phoenix
Yeah pulls shit
Pretty sure I've had it pull during shroud or something sensitive
tidal sleet
yea bro, ruinous is ultimate bad, it just hits all sorts of stuff with no regard, when it procs
hallow phoenix
Very accurate name for a trait
brittle owl
i ran ruinous all throughout S3, had 0 issues with it outside tentacles on last boss siege
¯_(ツ)_/¯
it used to pull everything in site, now it just pulls stuff in combat
hallow phoenix
When was the change
brittle owl
and unless you do some pepega pathing while kiting, it shouldn't be an issue
8.1.5 or something
can't member
tidal sleet
kite pathing is never pepega!
hallow phoenix
People kite?
inland mesa
TD has been simming higher than EV right?
hallow phoenix
I just scream at my healer
brittle owl
yeah well, kiting on a warrior is pepega to begin with
kek
unless it's the tank smashy bro
👀
tidal sleet
I mean he can be scary still, just not at 15 anymore
hallow phoenix
Yeah I've yet to do 17+ so not sure how spoopy it gets
brittle owl
on 15-18 you can pretty much faceroll keys, damage intake is very tame
20+ is when it seems to start being scary in parts
especially if you run 50+ corruption
nimble brook
what essences are you running @brittle owl
nimble brook
lucid, cns, sphere?
hallow phoenix
I really need to start pushing more corruption
Haven't done anything past 39 really
brittle owl
i think i have cns null and lucid
cba, i don't swap shit on warr since it's an alt and i'm in 1 key/week mode now
nimble brook
gotcha
left hatch
i wouldn't advise null in keys outside of Workshop
left hatch
even if you can proc it on cd, it gets outscaled dps-wise by other things at... i wanna say 3 targets
brittle owl
¯_(ツ)_/¯
left hatch
and thats ON cd which requires using eyeballs and stoof
op in raid/st but meh everywhere else
left hatch
yah if you're mostly raiding and 1 key doens't matter
but for people actively going for shit
left hatch
cns, sphere, lucid is the dream team
nimble brook
looks like I'll try to get sphere this week
left hatch
you only need r1
nimble brook
just r1 seems enough
left hatch
yeh
nimble brook
yeah
lol
got cns r2 today. gotta try to go for 1400 this week to get 3 per week starting next week
running prot / rdruid which is kinda shitty
nimble brook
yeah 2s
nimble brook
you get 3 of those items per week as 1400 right?
left hatch
just slowly waiting out the other team's mana pool
nimble brook
need 5 weeks to get r3
exotic spoke
@tame garden I love you. You know that right?
left hatch
i.. think? ik 1600 is for 5 per
nimble brook
yeah I don't think we'll hit 1600 lol
running 2s with my fiancee and we both hate pvp
1300 at the moment with about 50% win rate so I guess we'll eventually hit 1400
nimble brook
dang
yeah gonna try to get the last 100 rating tonight
then the conquest cap is the easy part with war mode
left hatch
yah once i hit 1600 i just did world pvp
a few invasions and the call to arms weekly and boom (:
left hatch
yah, i wanted to rush it cause it was the last 3 weeks of s3 lol
was get to 1600 or have to regrind to 1000+ in s4
elder berry
got a 470 gleaming eye in my chest today... should I use rezan and vita as my 2 M+ trinks? good to stack haste trinks?
left hatch
its fine to stack haste trinkets
maiden ravine
hmm, do I wanna use TA2 bracers or a VR2 ring
warm plinth
Lol I was like why do I have 4 pings, but it was just Discord cloning Tofu's message 3 times 😂
left hatch
only take 1 stack and stun cheese or bait it onto a party member/pet
and non-teeming there shouldn't be a double pack so you don't have to deal with 2
sick sentinel
the double pack befoer 3rd boss
sick sentinel
my route has the last bridge really segmented
left hatch
those 2 packs before 3rd boss are the hardest in there aside from zul
no reason not to skip both
sick sentinel
is it possible to export my route to here or is it only in game
warm plinth
Lucid wouldn't even really do anything for the berserkers anyway
sick sentinel
just more ignore pains
left hatch
i do'nt see how your bridge is segmented, you skip the final 2 packs before b3
sick sentinel
i modified it
elder berry
someone got a wrath trink they didnt need tonight so between the 3 what is best? Rezan 470 vita 460 scale 460
sick sentinel
Used to only be pulling the first 2 packs and brute the nskip everythign else and do last 3 packs
hallow phoenix
I'd run rezan vita
Though scale does hilarious things in dungeons with knockbacks
left hatch
the only suggestion id have is if you're not using the 4th ob with final boss, actually move it to the bridge 1/2 point and work your way back
that way the run back from boss 3 is cut in 1/2
since youll have an exit portal in front of zul bridge
left hatch
nah, clear obelisk room, do 1 skip to 1/2 point, clear trash on way back, do 2nd obelisk
sick sentinel
I guess we coudl just do first 2 leading pu to bridge then do pillar and work our way back to 2nd pilalr
ye
ty
left hatch
but tbh both minibosses are super free with KR final boss
id leave one up to zerg down
blob boi probably easiest since the room is so big
only place iv had issues with him was Harlan and Workshop since space gets a little tight
and tusks they fixed the scale
no longer has the slowfall on the proc
hallow phoenix
Does blob defiled ground still disappear when he dies if you do him with last boss
warm plinth
We do slime with the boss in Workshop
hallow phoenix
Scale has about 50% uptime for me, but I think the massive haste on Vita is better
left hatch
i tried it in a pug and we ran outta space cause low dps
warm plinth
Yeah that can be an issue
left hatch
just can get tight if your dps is 4head
warm plinth
You're alive
primal crypt
Coming back this season
it's actually fun
I wish vita was better for prot
would be an amazing trinket
hallow phoenix
It's still good tho
left hatch
yeh its still in like hte top 5 imho
exotic spoke
btw
still in triple BoM club and i will remain in the triple Bom club for the tier now
primal crypt
Im down to two 😦
hallow phoenix
I'll never give up the style points that engi goggles provide
left hatch
technically you get free mini ignore pains with VoP
and a free one w/e you hard pop ava
plus IP is a bit bigger
(roughly 10k bigger if you stack 3)
maiden ravine
YAAAAAS
14 Workshop
Anyone have tips for the slime trash this week?
okay, LoS
It's insane how much easier this week is
limpid pawn
anyone here 475 yet
modern brook
@exotic spoke im mad
exotic spoke
Why are you mad friend?
modern brook
alleria reset and ruined my solo run
she literally reset DURING chains
this game is dog shit
😠
left hatch
@hollow agate Vision major, CnS, lucid and... probably coF minors
hollow agate
vision major even at rank 1?
hollow agate
gotcha
sick sentinel
with barkskin and shield wall up bleed from beserkers in kingsrest is still tiking for 300k
nerf this shit blizz
maiden ravine
I don't have formless void yet, so I'm using SotW minor to get away with a second piece of corruption gear
limpid pawn
a couple questions
first - in kings rest if you skip to the third boss, and the gate is closed to zuul
what is the quickest way to open it?
it seems like you can't open it from within the realm
pastel remnant
in general how is the weapon on wration for prot? good proc or not? in heroic
maiden ravine
@limpid pawn night meld, feign death, or just die
warm plinth
The gate opens when the cutscene triggers. Usually our tank will go back across the bridge, and we wait by the bridge to Zul. Tank leaves the void realm, triggers the cutscene, then triggers the slime boss. Stalks spawn on us and we kill them while he’s running the slime to us.
@limpid pawn
To be clear, you can trigger the cutscene from either side of the bridge. He triggers it from the opposite side that you normally trigger it
random hill
so I got humming black dragonscale 460, Rezan's gleaming eye 455, vita-charged Titanshard 445, edict+urchin both 430. what do u guys think is better for m+? I used to run edict +vita. if I change the edict will it drop a lot in my survivability? it usually heals around 6-8mil per dung. I run keys 10-14 trying to get good enough to run 15s again. any pointers?
quartz mist
torment in a jar or sigil ?
sick sentinel
Id do dragonscale and vita
unkempt seal
worth dropping 480 engi helm for 475 n'zoth helm? i gain a BoM if i do
sick sentinel
Ye id say so
maiden ravine
I'm so excited for this 14 workshop after the gym
random hill
Ty kyothi
maiden ravine
Should be an easy one chest and then it's 15land
So I was excited for this merekthas fang til I saw it was a channel
I'll give it a shot before going back to my 445 big red button
maiden ravine
I can't get trinkets to drop
Those two are the only ones I've seen from m+ this season
maiden ravine
Oof, never mind then, it's there to inflate my bag ilvl
void dust
what do you guys think about merektha's fang vs Big red button for M+? I dont really raid so cant aim for trinkets from raid
brittle owl
fang 100%
maiden ravine
are you joking based off me asking?
void dust
wait, are you talking to me there Kyle?
void dust
sorry I missed your answer @brittle owl is fang much better?
brittle owl
if you play around fang, it's a really good dps trinket
sorta dangerous, but defo worth
void dust
hm okay. do you know if it scales with haste?
void dust
okay. One I had in my bag is only 430 but ill try testing it abit. Thank you!
What second trink are you using/recomend using?
brittle owl
i mean, i'm not recommending using fang in the first place as a prot warrior unless you're absolutely certain you are able to not get trucked
butcher block from WCM is a really good one
rezan's gleaming eye is also a good one
vial from UR is also good if you maximize it
doesn't raid
mortal brook
heck
olive trout
how good is ineffable truth for prot?
void dust
hm okay okay. ill have to do some testing. thank you again !
mortal brook
ineffable truth one of the weaker corruptions
real thunder
So i've been told that you can side step most of the Basher Tentacles slams on N'zoth but i cannot find anywhere that confirms this. Also i tried to side step and even though the slam animation isnt on me, i appears i still take all of the repeated slams.
Can anyone tell me if the repeated bashes are avoidable?
glass finch
Do any of you actually take and deal with the Thing From Beyond? It seems so unmanageable as a tank when it procs from damage taken.
warm plinth
Filled out the tree?
exotic spoke
Quad Mask + filled out tree
warm plinth
Sick
exotic spoke
Second run of the week
urban briar
whats your thoughts on using stoneskin pots for mythic wraithion's breath?
grand drum
how many runs this week for new rank?
urban briar
@exotic spoke what trinkets u running?
warm plinth
You think that's lame, next week is 6 🙃
Or no, wait
Next week is 1 lost I think
Either. You get pages from the first 2 areas you clear; doesn't matter if they're lost or corrupted
ionic fern
@real thunder do you mean Void Lash? If so then afaik you can't "sidestep" it.
@glass finch Yes, i run with Thing from Beyond in raids.
glass finch
In M+ specifically, sorry for not specifying.
warm plinth
4 this week, 1 next week (lost area), then 3 with 2 lost areas, 6 with 2 lost areas, and 9 with 2 lost areas
grand drum
im still behind from last week :/
warm plinth
Imo unless you desperately need 8 resistance, next week is the last one you should really feel pressured to get
Because next week is the primary stat proc
grand drum
next week is the tmog upgrade too right?
warm plinth
Yes
grand drum
thanks appreciate the info
mortal brook
if you're aiming to get rank 15 on time, and getting 5 vessels a week, stockpile starting next week (and feel free to funrun your excess for research/masks this week)
if you're getting fewer than five a week, stockpile this week or earlier
5 vessels is doing the assaults, minivision daily, chests, daily quests in WM. that's 5 trips without events, rares, and farming minivision
ionic fern
In m+ it's sketchy - you can't guarantee you'll have Shockwave up or enough room to kite it imo @glass finch
glass finch
alright, fair
ionic fern
So from time to time you'll just have to eat the damage which might just be enough to kill you depending on the pack.
warm plinth
@mortal brook So I can use every vessel I get this week and start that next week and I'll get it on time?
mortal brook
the range is slightly larger than the animation tho
so starting next week you need 1 3 6 9 runs by week. that's 19. so if you're getting 5 vessels a week, that's perfectly doable yeah
warm plinth
Or do I need to start doing the dailies and shit now
I was doing dailies but when they reduced the rep requirement to revered for Breath, I was already there so I just stopped XD
grand drum
I've only been doing assault and minor assaults so far
maiden ravine
ooof, someone selling a 475 shield with a socket and the haste proc corruption
mortal brook
dailies is 13000 coalescing a week without warmode bonus
warm plinth
I guess I should do dailies then
maiden ravine
If only I had 2.5 million
mortal brook
so subtract like 1.5 vessels a week if you're not doing those from that 5 i mentioned
warm plinth
Since I want an extra to push for a 4 mask clear this week (or 5 depending on how frisky I'm feeling)
mortal brook
if you're only getting 3.5 and not already capped on vessels, you're behind
ionic fern
I'm always behind tho so it's fine.
maiden ravine
I have 2 right now after upgrading my cloak and doing assaults/dailies
warm plinth
I have 3 vessels atm and 6k visions
maiden ravine
I'll have my vessels for next week
warm plinth
Haven't done any yet
warm plinth
I burned a lot of vessels just pushing clears
mortal brook
we still dont know how the post-15 cape is gonna behave. could be a catchup but we dont know. so it's prob good to hit 15 when its that week
that's fine, i blew through lots as well
warm plinth
Gotta get gear to need more corruption 😠
maiden ravine
at least we only need 1 vessel
warm plinth
Need 4 for this week
maiden ravine
we need 1 next week, then 3/6/9
mortal brook
and if you're getting 4.75 a week starting next week, you finish that on time. if you're getting less a week, you need stockpile sooner than next week
maiden ravine
I'm 457 equipped haha
maiden ravine
fury spec, she'd be over 460 with new weapons
warm plinth
Keep getting 465s that even my group members don't need
grand flame
Got that 4 mask run done with an orb to spare. Alleria so annoying thought still idk how they leave that boss in that state
maiden ravine
I dread a 5 mask clear of that place
warm plinth
Idk, I'm still of the opinion that Umbric is the only pain in the ass in that vision
maiden ravine
especially since you can't really kill the eye
warm plinth
Especially with leaden foot
maiden ravine
as a melee she is hard to get in range
grand flame
Idk how to do alleria then. I kite around the room and barely ever get to hit her
maiden ravine
Like you basically cannot do promised power as melee vs her
warm plinth
I don't ever really do promised power on her unless it just coincidentally ends up in a good spot
maiden ravine
it just means we're nerfed this week vs any week with blood thirsty
warm plinth
But I'm also a DH so I can at least kill her a little faster than prot warriors :p
mortal brook
lead foot split personality mage quarter is top tier content
grand flame
Haha yea it legit takes me so long
warm plinth
Is that the 2nd madness this week?
mortal brook
yeah
warm plinth
😂
grand flame
I also get slapped in these, do they scale to hit tanks harder?
warm plinth
I'm definitely meta'ing that fuckin fleshbeast in mage district then
Fuck that mob so much
warm plinth
You can dodge the swirls with leaden foot but split personality is gonna get fuckin spicy
If it happens at a bad time
mortal brook
spellwarding it, np
warm plinth
I never end up at that beast needing an orb though so I usually try to pull some of the patrolling little dudes
and pray for a gift proc
mortal brook
wait wrong prot
warm plinth
XD
exotic spoke
@urban briar I was just running REzans and Urchin in a group
fresh charm
sheit tanking heroic is easy shit.
exotic spoke
full cleared 4 mask and had a full extra orb... Things are looking good for next week
fresh charm
gg
urban briar
very good job and thx for the info
exotic spoke
5 mask next week. going for it
fresh charm
you can do it
empty nacelle
its only each tier of reward once a week right?
warm plinth
Yes
empty nacelle
warm plinth
But mask runs are 5 ilevel each mask. So 5 mask is 470, 4 is 465, 3 is 460 so I mean, you still got a shot at some at least okay ilevel corruption
edgy bone
Sup guys
warm plinth
👋
edgy bone
Brand new prot warrior here. Read the entire icy veins guide, checked all the pins, been looking at the recommended weak auras. Is there any you guys recommend as MANDATORY?
exotic spoke
@mortal brook Found some good tricks for Umbric too
ionic fern
@edgy bone wdym?
Any weakauras we recommend as mandatory you mean?
We gotta make a petition to rename Ghash to Pinky.
exotic spoke
Honestly I dont think any are mandatory. I dont run a lot of WAs - kick tracker is nice
edgy bone
What weakauras have helped you most on your journey of prot warrior tanking?
exotic spoke
I'll sign that Mwahi
empty nacelle
there is this guy who is a wiz at WA on this discord
warm plinth
🤔
empty nacelle
goes by the name of hawgz, you should ask him
exotic spoke
And block tracker is nice. Plus the WA to add spell reflect damage to details -
edgy bone
Thanks!
mortal brook
Nice
exotic spoke
works in a group
pull him just off center
have one person sit on the farthest side away from where he is tanked
tank stays at that point - umbric ports to the far place and then runs back
warm plinth
Don't tell me how to live my life
exotic spoke
he gets forced to that place every time
mortal brook
But then i have to bring people to my run
exotic spoke
he doesnt alternate - its the furthest away
I mean fine
I'll be swimming in sockets you just enjoy nothaving them ghash
Steve...
Steve will get them
warm plinth
I haven't gotten any loot worth socketing so that's fine
exotic spoke
git gud
warm plinth
Blizz has determined that I'm not allowed to have nice things this season
edgy bone
Is there a channel where people show off their UIs?
exotic spoke
You were successful
undone sun
mortal brook
Get my first socket next run
exotic spoke
Do you really?
ionic fern
Wat
mortal brook
Yeah
exotic spoke
I feel like we were really aggressive on it and still need like 3-4 runs
undone sun
lmao
warm plinth
I believe that is abuse of mod powers
ionic fern
left hatch
holy shit figuring out corruption on a healer is a nightmare :l
ionic fern
Why.
Just use TD and stm flask.
left hatch
had to help healer figure out QE live and individually compare the like 15 pieces they had
and oof
mortal brook
Paper2
left hatch
they have no damage procs ):
ionic fern
Now poor Lincoln will come in here and will be confused as to why he can no longer ping @ghash
😦
exotic spoke
@warm plinth Now you just need a pink name
ionic fern
Big brain idea tbh. ^
exotic spoke
He had it just in the nick of ... Thyme
ionic fern
exotic spoke
roo gun... Oh wait.. I cant have fun with that 😦
void dust
470 Ritual Bandages trink from weekly, what do we think about that one? 🤔
sweet summit
Expulsom pog 😂
void dust
niiiiiiice
edgy bone
Do you guys use ignore pain tracker
sweet summit
I do because its included in the wa package i have
slim pier
sick sentinel
In higher keys your ip gets demolished so it usually never caps
void dust
^ wtb
slim pier
why would you want to buy that shitty trinket
sick sentinel
^
edgy bone
@sweet summit What WA package do you use?
void dust
need my low key padding
sick sentinel
You get more pad staying alive
sweet summit
Afenar warrior
sick sentinel
:+1:
void dust
cant die in my +9 keys
slim pier
it did 575k damage on 4 targets
sick sentinel
Sounds trap
slim pier
i feel like it could do a lot of damage in a dungeon
maiden ravine
1 chested a 14, finally have my own 15.... and it's motherlode, kappa
ionic fern
It's decent in AoE damage wise but you can't block during it.
slim pier
true
edgy bone
@sweet summit This one right?
maiden ravine
I'm gonna dps motherlode rather than tank it I think
ionic fern
Why?
sweet summit
Yea
ionic fern
It's bursting and if you're pugging you are way better off tanking since you can dictate the pulls & therefor bursting stacks.
sweet summit
ML was monkaS last week
ionic fern
Just run it like 10x times and you'll get it down.
maiden ravine
1372 rio, getting closer to 1400
ionic fern
👍
maiden ravine
15 ml in time would be huge
exotic spoke
ML is solid imo
silver magnet
guys, got Fusion Hacker from mythic cache. Is it any good? DMG it do worth dropping stats? already got 470 mace from carapace, got Fusion Hacker with rank 2 echoing voids
exotic spoke
Depends on your other corruption option
exotic spoke
Dmg wise you can sim
silver magnet
kk
exotic spoke
Usually the go to is Ilvl
silver magnet
I dont give a fuck for survivability, I just want to DPS 😛
exotic spoke
I mean - I never said the go to for survivability 😛
I just said the usual go to is ilvl 😄
maiden ravine
okay, here goes nothing
it's fort week so bosses shouldn't wreck me, but still a 15
urban briar
when do u ever take off vita?
left hatch
when the sims say other things are better
for pumping
im holding out for a 475 block
sweet summit
Vita+rezan dream
hallow phoenix
Got Skitra shoulders today. Way way better than carapace ones
Still no wrathion weapon though :(
edgy bone
hey rosjenm
sick sentinel
prot ring ;)
sweet summit
Hey @edgy bone
edgy bone
I downloaded your waeakaura package
does it show when you have a free revenge proc? idont think it does
sweet summit
It lights up
edgy bone
on my bar it does
but i dont wanna look at my bar
thats why i downlaoded weakaura
where does it show on the WA?
I noticed when i USE revenge it puts a cooldown bar above the shield block icon which is cool
sweet summit
The revenge icon should light up
edgy bone
on the weakaura? weird mine doesnt have one
OH
the bloodshot eye on top the bar!!
Thanks man you're the best
sweet summit
edgy bone
😋
sweet summit
Either i am, or you are using an outdated version bc for me the revenge icon lights up
ionic fern
Can't wait to open my chest of dissapointment.
I hope i get a 3rd leech one on my gdruid
So i can embrace the leech.
strong forum
Atleast I got mechagon chest from vendor 
sweet summit
Does the crit amp work for crit blocks?
strong forum
sweet summit
Would be cool if it did ):
sweet summit
I guess, yea
ionic fern
That's not how any of this works. 
edgy bone
can you link me the new one please
rich isle
I hope I am posting this in the correct channel. (I am impale/prot spec)
My guild is going to kill Vael for the 2nd time tonight and last week we had to do a tank change (slow dps) because my threat was low and DPS had to hold back. This week I changed from Death Bringer (2.9 speed) to Perdition's Blade (1.80 speed). (I am orc). I also added Heroic Strike to my macros for Vael.
So I have two questions.
-
Is this a good weapon change or should I stick with the axe?
-
Are these 3 tanking macros correct or is there anything I should add/remove?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1crSBe6uwzbieR8-xxcGHijCVeOUc_UO1Pm3WxbKM928/edit?usp=sharing
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
sweet summit
edgy bone
ty
sweet summit
Pretty sure its this
@rich isle this is a retail channel, try #vanilla-discussion or "Fight Club" discord, the classic warrior one
exotic spoke
Just reading the comments in classic forums / Reddit / discord’s. How do people not know things about a game that has been out so long and is so well theory crafted
Driving me to drink (more)
Night Prot chat
rich isle
Thanks @sweet summit Will do.
exotic spoke
Not specifically that question. But I just checked back in others and I’m like “wow”
frail oar
That feeling when in 4 weeks, you got sporepods, mchimba and platinum plating in the weekly chest T_T
warm plinth
That’s impressive
strong forum
Wow
ionic fern
Night Pinky. Riki.
warm plinth
Night lol
ionic fern
Fuck.
warm plinth
I wasn’t even Ghash in here originally :p
maiden ravine
bleh
strong forum
maiden ravine
I finished the motherlode
didn't time but it wasn't my fault
for once
dps didn't know to kite Azerokk adds, despite me saying so
"Melee respect the add damage, kite them"
nooope, take 350k bleed damage
warm plinth
I was Worldcrusher originally
maiden ravine
bam, 1407 rio with plenty of room to grow
14 AD, eh, bursting week on that one isn't the greatest...
but still AD
So, I've done motherlode 9, 10, 11, and 12, none of them timed sooo, my season best in game still shows +5 haha
ionic fern
You'll get there.
Tanking is hugely down to experience and knowing what to pull etc.
raw turtle
what's the best route for stormwind vision?
ruby nexus
I'm not really fan of AD
raw turtle
which areas to hit first
strong forum
SW I just go from left to right Lail
maiden ravine
this was dps standing in stuff
maiden ravine
it works out very well with orbs and elites
if you're good you can get to the trade district without using any
edgy bone
Hey guys
sick sentinel
seems to only have avg 20% uptime for key
edgy bone
is our BiS trinket from EP?
ionic fern
@sick sentinel it's string a strong/solid trinket yes. There are other more easily obtainable high ilvl options also like Vita and Black Dragon Scale.
edgy bone
Not the Vita Void combo?
edgy bone
Vita & humming dragonscale huh
sweet summit
Void isbad
edgy bone
aight cool
maiden ravine
So aka "I need to tank a mythic wrathion pug" eh?
ruby nexus
My fat ass warrior has hard time snapping in ad, timing is tight and more than half the dps don't know how to deal with middle pack
sick sentinel
im currently repping rezan's eye and dragonscale
sweet summit
Urchin+edict is strong but falls off in terms of ilvl
sick sentinel
dragonscale has >50% uptime but eye only has 20%..wasnt sure if its worth keeping on
ionic fern
Dragonscale also is a lower haste proc.
strong forum
Dragonscale has 70% uptime and rezan has 30% but rezan is twice as much haste almost
edgy bone
im hype bro those drop all the time
left hatch
left to right with respect to the map? as in mage first? or from your orientation enteringthe vision as in dwarf first