Nothing of this' if you don't interrupt this your tank is dead'
#protection
final mist
Still need to do HM for VoP R4
exotic spoke
I like mechagon
strong forum
I was really worried about the scaling but it turned out to be amazing
tame garden
I just wish you didnt get punished so heavily for dieing
exotic spoke
Doing a weekly Hertz Locker attempt until we got it was really fun
final mist
Just don’t die 4head
sick sentinel
I like the trolls that just give everyone necrotic
tame garden
Feels bad enough to chain wipe but in junkyard once the bots are depleted it's just a whole new level of feelsbad
Suddenly the bosses do 10% more damage and you do like 30% less
final mist
You know what’s fun
final mist
And this will be blasphemous
strong forum
Just don't die lamo
final mist
I’m really enjoying VDH
tame garden
And it wasnt even me dieing
left hatch
dare I say get gud
exotic spoke
I’m sorry I’m going to pretend I didn’t see the last two minutes of chat
left hatch
my issue with Junkyard is just not having a concrete route
final mist
DH with gluttony and VoP is just shear spam until everything dies 
exotic spoke
I like that a bit Morrison
left hatch
its SUPER open, and didn't run it passed getting T3 VoP so not sure whats easy/whats hard
tame garden
Yeah still learning what's safe to pull
final mist
I like junkyard having different routes
Makes it easy to tell who’s good and who’s bad
exotic spoke
Cats are not safe
tame garden
Just run around doing bosses then finish off trash near last boss
left hatch
but yah boss design in mechagon is tight
fun unique varied and no stupid 1-shots like eudora :d
final mist
I’m actually really enjoying this seasonal affix too
tame garden
Last boss is spooky either I dodge the hits and take 0 damage or take all 3 and get almost 1shot
left hatch
same, i find it even more fun than Reaping
left hatch
gives you a lot more control over your routes too
final mist
Free shrouds 
left hatch
and has a nice risk/reward with keeping some up for last boss
tame garden
Eh I preferred reaping but I enjoy not being as punished for no rogue
And now it's so free with the nerfs
Seems overkill tbh
exotic spoke
I agree. This affix is really fun
The nerfs seem to help allow more options for which obelisks you do with the boss
tame garden
You think you'll do fear or tankbuster with any bosses?
exotic spoke
I think fear is possible
exotic spoke
With my group comp
exotic spoke
Mass + two dwarves + berserker rage
exotic spoke
Dwarf dispels it lol
tame garden
Wtf
exotic spoke
Come to the dark side Speg. We have Dwarves
Like I’m really glad Shadowmeld exists. Really glad
Because no one focuses on the dwarves
tame garden
I'm complaining on the forums as we speak
tame garden
Because I'm jealous
exotic spoke
Roo snap
carmine wadi
Why the hell is Hardmode active in junkyard that's so silly.
tame garden
Eh it just forces you to change your boss order every week
Not that silly imo
Keeps the dungeon interesting
autumn pendant
Just do it in hardmode lol
brittle ridge
hi, is wrathions 1h good for prot war? sounds awesome to me, but so do other corruptions 😄
left hatch
Its ok, maybe 4% of your damage in dungeons
But 2 ppm make its dps per corruption low compared to other options esp in st
brittle ridge
is it worth to go for dps corruptions? or is stats better overall?
like echoing void after nerf etc
brittle ridge
im running rezans and briny barnacle 460 atm cause thats all i have 😄 are those any good?
left hatch
Rezans is very good briny is eh but not the worst
Ideally some combo of Rezan, Vita, Block or Dragonscale
Honorable mention of psychich shell
brittle ridge
thanks a lot
left hatch
Np
hallow phoenix
Alch trinket isn't bad either
@left hatch the haste proc corruption is better than haste %?
left hatch
that one is close becuase of the super low window its up
but yah irrc the stat budget on the procs are better
hallow phoenix
Would the haste % interaction with ItF factor in
I know arms loves haste %
Weird that we don't
left hatch
at least thats what i remember far smarter ppl than I like Nomeratur saying
solid damage procs just scale better for us than stats do for dps classes
hallow phoenix
Oh for sure
left hatch
so stuff like the raptor dot is one of our best ST pieces
so ig part of it comes down to that
hallow phoenix
I need a soulspun casque again. Feels like I just got one last patch before this patch dropped :(
left hatch
eh ill worry about Soulspun after i get abyssal/kraken/ashvane
pumping in M+>pumping in raid for me
exotic spoke
^^
hallow phoenix
Is heart of darkness not comparable with MS?
exotic spoke
I’m randoming shoulders then it’s time to save
hallow phoenix
I like the raid gear for m+
exotic spoke
MS is huge haste amounts. It’s great for m+ because your constantly tanking and need as high block / last stand up time as possible
left hatch
cause youd have nzoth helm/shoulders
hallow phoenix
Yeah I had double MS in 8.2
I just can't justify saving residuum for those pieces because there's tons of azerite gear I want
:(
exotic spoke
It felt so good getting up to 140% haste with drums.
I can justify it pretty easily since I only play prot
left hatch
^
hallow phoenix
I need my parse set and my m+ set
hallow phoenix
True
tame garden
Parsing with corruption existing lul
left hatch
parses are 100% gonna come down to corruption this tier
exotic spoke
^^
hallow phoenix
I still do ok
left hatch
not azerite/trinkets or talents
exotic spoke
But I bet you have good corruption for DPS
exotic spoke
Those are solid. Not ideal but solid.
hallow phoenix
They're certainly not rank 3
left hatch
upper 25%
exotic spoke
My rogue friend has gotten only void ritual
At least with titanforging it was easier to compare your performance to people of similar gear
hallow phoenix
My corruption budget is so fucked that the normal wrathion weapon is a slight DPS upgrade over my 470 weapon
:(
Just cause I basically have no corruptions
hallow phoenix
Yeah in ST and nah I have HoD active, though not using it currently
exotic spoke
I just want more corruption resistance!
And more corruption pieces so I can actually mix and match things
left hatch
huh thats wild, would never thing Searing would be worth 10 ilvls
hallow phoenix
The other warrior in my guild has TD 3+1, IS 3
And some other bullshit
Morrison the normal ilvl is 445
hallow phoenix
Its cause I have room for more corruption
exotic spoke
I have IS3 and TD2 (TD on a 430 bracer) and VR on a 475 bracer. And % crit to shield. That’s it. 75 or so M+ 14 or higher plus raids and everything else >.>
hallow phoenix
But no pieces to fill that space
exotic spoke
Like. I’ve gotten a single piece of corruption from all the M+ I’ve run
hallow phoenix
You run 75 corruption?
exotic spoke
No
exotic spoke
I’ve run 75~ mythic pluses at 14 or higher
inland mesa
if the stars align, what's the current best corruption setup. I only have a TD 2 ring 445, IS 3 430 belt...and like an EV 1 445 or 460
exotic spoke
I do Late. I’ve gotten shit luck with raid drops
left hatch
stacking as much TD while filling in the gaps with Gushing Wounds
would be the ideal imo
hallow phoenix
i dunno how everyone gets so many corrupted pieces 😦
inland mesa
late we got soccer boss pretty quick last night, and then died to Vexiona as people didn't bother to research or figure out how to run out of a brown circle to not die
exotic spoke
RNJesus guides them
inland mesa
whatever corruption Sense is rocking, I want it all those 100%
exotic spoke
We’re making the full time transition into mythic next week I think. Maut was close last night. Should have had it though
inland mesa
do you have to do yucky add duty on Maut?
tame garden
Just 3tank maut :)
hallow phoenix
I had add duty on Maut this week 😦
next week i think i get boss but we're changing the strat anyway to basically zerg him
so it doesnt matter
brittle owl
3 tanking maut is a trap
hallow phoenix
T_T
inland mesa
how do you change the strat to zerg him when it's basically that anyway
hallow phoenix
Does anyone here 3 tank hivemind
inland mesa
we do
hallow phoenix
mmm I think our RL wants us to bring in the first two adds quickly
because our DPS seems high enough to allow for that
or something
i skimmed his post
inland mesa
......you delay the phase more so for CDs to last the shield easier
brittle owl
the dps check is very lenient
inland mesa
if you bum rush it each time, that's yuck
brittle owl
the real thing is dps not being pepegas on shield and healers having half a brain
like
hallow phoenix
i misread his post
"One tank picks up both adds, holds in pool, and feeds both to boss right before third add spawn. Dps pretend they dont exist"
so add duty is still bitch duty
we're just not dpsing them down
exotic spoke
I do have add duty
brittle owl
as a warrior you dont care
tame garden
Eh is it really bitch duty
brittle owl
it's the highest dps.option for you anyway
exotic spoke
I just fire crucible at maut while I’m doing it and heroic throw to build inkpod stacks
brittle owl
since you perma cleave 2 targets
brittle owl
^
brittle owl
as a warrior you should do adds anyway
exotic spoke
You should do whatever is best for the raid
hallow phoenix
i should do whats best for my parse*
brittle owl
every other tank is better on the boss
exotic spoke
Which yes, prot On adds
exotic spoke
No tusks. You should do what’s best for the raid. It just happens that it’s best for the parse here too
inland mesa
if you're leaving them in the pool, if you're pulling them in and out it's obnoxious
hallow phoenix
we leave them in pool
even when we were killing them we left them in
had enough hunters to do it
inland mesa
we assigned dot classes to double dot kill off the 1st, transition by eating 3 and kill 2 during shield
so I had to yoyo like crazy
exotic spoke
My parses on ashvane, for example, weren’t as good as they could have been. Because I couldn’t trust my co tanks to fucking break the corals. So I had to always get the laser beam every time and leap out.
I’d get the furthest one away and if it was only two I’d call it so dps could stay on the boss
inland mesa
it made me sad
tame garden
I was only add tank for a few pulls before getting swapped to boss but I found dragging them along the edge of a puddle was the most effective way to stop casts. Of course the "keep them in pool permanently" strat is pretty braindead ez
brittle owl
yoying them is not only not ideal, it's also risky
hallow phoenix
my cotank and i alternate responsibility when we can so one of us can try and parse
exotic spoke
Second one can be ignored by dps
hallow phoenix
oh so
back to hivemind
We're gonna 3 tank it with a BDK. Does he just pick up the ravagers or something
brittle owl
ya
inland mesa
we 3 tank with two DKs and alternate MG on drones so they all die in one spot, 3rd tank just gets ravager for first two bleeds really, and adds grip for darters
because heaven forbid the dps actually move under kaz'ir and stack to kill drones
inland mesa
oof
brittle owl
you don't really need a bdk
final mist
We did HM with no DKs at all at start
brittle owl
just 1-2 dk for normal grip
tame garden
You dont but it makes it easier with pepegas
final mist
Totally aids, but doable if no dumdums
tame garden
Ya I'm talking mythic
inland mesa
7.5mil from TD on Vexiona, my god. Does WCL not show corruption on pieces?
hallow phoenix
Our only raider with a real tank off-spec happens to be a DK
brittle owl
the darters are the only part where grips are actually needed
hallow phoenix
so feels good
kind prairie
Hello best class discord! Looking at getting back into it since 8.1. how's prot doing? Any TLDR I should know before I dig through the guides?
hallow phoenix
icy-veins does a good job
and even talks about maximizing damage now and then
which it didnt use to
brittle owl
@tame garden you play fluffer nutter there or woyer
kind prairie
Good deal. I know in legion icy veins guide was bad. But i will definitely read that
Thanks!
hallow phoenix
But if you have any questions feel free to ask
exotic spoke
He’s a fuzzy tank
kind prairie
Is our dps still stupid?
brittle owl
can do big mlg plays with it
exotic spoke
@kind prairie it’s not that it was bad per se. it was that it wasn’t updated frequently. Marok, and now Mwahi (what’s up with warrior theorycrafters having names that start with M) have done a great job keeping it up to date in Legion
kind prairie
@exotic spoke the part that killed it for me, was that all of legion the advice is gave for ignore pain was "if you're at full HP don't use it"
hallow phoenix
Our DPS is still good, but other tanks do good dps too now
kind prairie
Good to know tusks. I know we were a dps meme at one point
exotic spoke
We have the best physical mitigation and really solid dps - before corruption. We don’t have to sacrifice a lot of survivability for dps either
hallow phoenix
Helps that our best survival traits are also best damage ones generally
kind prairie
What about after corruption?
Also, legion was like that. There was like, one build. Haha.
So cool. I'm hype.
exotic spoke
Corruption is hard to quantify because it’s been getting balanced
kind prairie
Fair enough.
exotic spoke
It can bridge the gap in some forms and not in others
tame garden
Its bis for st dps
kind prairie
Oh? Good to know
hallow phoenix
Yeah it sees use in raids often
kind prairie
Yeah I've got some reading to do.. awesome. Thanks yall.
Love this discord, it's always a good time.
agile vault
As someone who doesn’t pvp, how painful will it be to get the sphere or conflict and strife essences? Do I need rank 3 on them?
tame garden
Conflict you can just get low rating and conquest cap for a few weeks if you're not in a hurry
Sphere you can get rank 1 then wait for that bot event to push for rank 3
agile vault
Bot event?
tame garden
I cant remember the name
left hatch
comp stomp
tame garden
Ty
exotic spoke
Not bad, on the bonus honor weeks just do the comp stomp or big bgs
agile vault
Ohh gotcha, thanks!
left hatch
and r3 of CnS isn't hard, just annoying
(and this is coming from someone that detests pvp)
spend a day getting to 1600 with a buddy, and then just conquest cap in world pvp
for 4 weeks
and boom
left hatch
i got to 1600 in prot
agile vault
Oh wow ok
Also to follow up on my sucky dps question from yesterday, I logged a +9 mother lode if anyone wants to take a look https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YgBZG4JxFPC3DXc7/#boss=-3&difficulty=0
frank bloom
How do you guys deal with the thing from beyond Is it just a, “pop cd when it’s coming” type thing or do you guys kite it?
warm plinth
It’s almost fully CCable. You can also spell reflect to take no damage and make it go away.
frank bloom
Wow I didn’t know it was spell reflectable that’s insane thank you!
tame garden
Hi ghash
agile vault
awesome, thanks Ghash! (and Riki too!)
left hatch
don't have a ton of time to go over it rn, but the first thing i noticed is you only have 20% uptime on Battle shout
which should be 100%
so you're loweirng not only your own, but also your rogue and pallys dps by ~10% right off the bat
left hatch
you didn't have it up till the very end of hte dungeon
you also didn't make the changes to your az traits
namely running BFI and HoD over bastion
agile vault
oh yeah I wanted to do one “control” run lol where everything is the same as what I’ve been doing
I will change tonight
left hatch
for reference in a 14 Temple i had 200 casts of it compared to your almost 400
and had double that clap casts at 511 to your 271
yah dev is a filler only if nothing else is up
agile vault
Hm ok maybe I’m not clapping enough during avatar either
left hatch
you should be clapping every other gcd
it seems you're still doing a regular rotation and weaving in other casts
window im looking at now shows a TC>SS>revenge>Deva>TC
so you miss a whole tc
agile vault
ohh yeah
left hatch
I highly recommend a WA that tracks when you have Avatar buff too
cause you're probably overwriting the free proc, or not noticing hte free proc is up and benefiting from extra claps
agile vault
I’m using luxthos WA and I don’t totally understand it
tame garden
And then I know to clap away
agile vault
Haha yeah I think that’d help
left hatch
i mighta been wrong about your super low uptime for Battle Shout, for some reason the bars aren't tacking anything before the 45m mark
but even in that window onward you have pretty significant downtime for it
which a WA helps immensly to remind you to reapply
in the 2nd half of hte dungeon it was only up 20% so you were def forgetting to reapply
agile vault
Yeah I’m going to get a WA
sweet summit
afenar's WA slaps
left hatch
45% uptime for ava is a bit low, but if yo'ure ovewriting your free procs from VoP that'd hurt it
agile vault
So when avatae procs, regardless of how many mobs there are, I should TC every other GCD? Even if it’s one target?
left hatch
and mobile isn't pulling up enough details to see how close to on CD you're using
1 target SS has prio
sweet summit
you cant
opal python
what about mouse over macro?
sweet summit
that works
opal python
aight nice
elder berry
For M+ tanking I plan to use Vision major with lucid dreams, sphere of supp, aegis for minors... Does that look good or is there an imperative swap to be made?
sweet summit
#showtooltip Storm Bolt
/cast [target=mouseover,harm,exists,nodead]Storm Bolt; Storm Bolt
agile vault
yeah ok one big thing I learned from this is that avatar has free procs that I need to activate, I thought it was automatic for some reason lol -_-
left hatch
no it is
but if your ava comes off cd when you have a proc rolling
and you manually press it
it doesn't go over the 20s
so you lose that 5s proc
agile vault
ah ok that makes sense
brisk rain
hey, which do you think is better for m+, wrathion sword with corrupt + 12% haste corrupt, or twilight devastation rank 3
left hatch
Id sim to double check, but its almost certainly goign to be TD3
brisk rain
sim for what, dungoen slice or hectic add cleave?
tame garden
Neither
tame garden
^ you sim different patchwerk scenarios
left hatch
for me TD pulled ahead of every other combination by a long shot
left hatch
yah 3-4 probably more accurate
brisk rain
corrupt from wrathion did 8% in freehold tho
left hatch
that sounds abnormally high
like yo'ure misplaying your rotation and losing dps from usual sources
it should be 4-5% top
oblique garnet
sweet summit
literally any other trinket
left hatch
yah... even at an ilvl loss
brisk rain
inkpod 450?
sweet summit
definitely
sweet summit
tank trinkets from dungeons are pretty poop
left hatch
Sporepods, ritual baindaids and platinum plating are garbage tier
like have no value in pve at all
but yah id still sim myself
Searing flames should only amount to 5%ish
and TD3 is around 20%
analog zinc
dungeon slice & hectic add cleave are both TERRIBLE simulation settings that will never happen in reality
warm plinth
As long as you're dealing with Thing from Beyond and not getting chunked at a shitty time.
brisk rain
mhm
tame garden
Not viable in higher keys
Annoying how often you get then compared to healers and dps
left hatch
Not viable in some* higher keys
like freehold you almsot never use SR
so its fine there
brisk rain
sr?
left hatch
spell reflect
left hatch
if you use it when the ooga booga hugs you it wont do damage
yah
works on eyeballs too
left hatch
yup
cold cosmos
Spell Reflect is amazing and has so many fun ways to abuse
hushed cobalt
Shattered resolve from vex, if you SR then boss takes damage but does the raid take damage? (I'd assume not but who knows)
exotic spoke
Please - don’t let other people know about reflectable spells and how OP Reflect is
Other non warriors*
tame garden
Nerf sr
warm plinth
In any instance where you SR an AoE type ability, other people still take damage from it. I don't know for sure but I'm 99% sure it would be the same with that one, if it's something that typically causes others to take damage.
exotic spoke
Speg
The game is giving you hints. It’s telling you to play prot
Why won’t you listen
analog zinc
pwar is absolutely fine up to 59 corruption
exotic spoke
I wouldn’t use that much corruption in some keys
analog zinc
i would
exotic spoke
But in others absolutely
tame garden
Depends how high you push
exotic spoke
I think it’s wrong to use that in say a mother lode
Since you want reflect for a bunch of other things
tame garden
Riki I dont listen because I suck at prot
warm plinth
I suck at DH; doesn't stop me from playing it
analog zinc
ML is a good example
exotic spoke
We can fix that. You’re a good player and cute so you have an advantage
left hatch
have you considered mashing the Slap button harder
studies have shown the harder you press clap the more dps you do
warm plinth
Can you fix me though? I'm bad and ugly.
warm plinth
Figures
tame garden
RIP ghash
exotic spoke
Cant fix sorry
warm plinth
Imagine being bad at the easiest spec in the game
exotic spoke
I think 39 or so corruption would be Max I run in certain dungeons.
left hatch
hdh?
warm plinth
Yep
left hatch
could be worse, you could be bad at it during NH-legion
when your entire rotation could be on a mouse wheel
warm plinth
I played windwalker mostly at that time
left hatch
ah yes, hulk fist spec at its best
warm plinth
Don't hate on Stormfist man; still the best hidden appearance imo
warm plinth
My WW is a gnome 🙂
tame garden
😦
wooden radish
Pinky, you play alliance ?
warm plinth
I used to
Through Legion and up to like, 1/2 of the way through S2
I usually swap a little bit between expansions
sweet summit
do you swap all your alts or just commit to one character?
warm plinth
Usually relevel
sweet summit
oh damn
warm plinth
warm plinth
I have a couple that were boosted, but yeah most were releveled
wooden radish
🤦
sweet summit
pinkythicc
warm plinth
That name was chosen for me lol
sweet summit
sure ;)
warm plinth
I actually don't remember. It involved Riki and his weird love for female goblins
wooden radish
@exotic spoke what's this with you and female goblins
modern brook
T h i c c
peak lily
is 430 urchin worth running in keys over other 460 options(got 475 briny too)?
exotic spoke
@wooden radish What do you mean? Whats wrong with female goblins. They are cute AF
lucid pendant
You guys are trolling
exotic spoke
I went goblin when I first transferred horde (end of Cata) for RBG flag carrying. It was the best option
No
100% serious.
lucid pendant
Female HM Tauren > lesser races
exotic spoke
There was not a better race for what I was doing.
tame garden
Vulpera bis
exotic spoke
Plus the 1% extra haste is nice
Neither of those were options back then
And when I made a second warrior in Legion to play with horde friends I remade my goblin (since my original character made its way back to alliance and my original server after doing carries.
WAit
MDI rules announced. I dont see restrictions based on states / provinces / countries. Am I just missing it
warm plinth
I don't think they've ever explicitly said which states/provinces/countries have they? Just that it's void where prohibited, which would be the places that outlaw it as gambling.
warm plinth
Oh, that probably is why it's allowed then
exotic spoke
roo Happy
warm plinth
Can you imagine if a group of people who didn't even have active subs won the MDI 😂
That's a neat loophole though
wooden radish
nobody cares about the MDI because nobody cares about youtube
tame garden
Wtf
fluid copper
Are the mechagon rings worth in combination?
fluid copper
Alright perfect, got the 3 abilities already and the heal one, but gonna farm the haste on. Wasnt sure if haste or bubble is better
exotic spoke
@wooden radish you’re not wrong. I just want to optimize pulls and practice again and again back to back to get it into muscle memory better
elder berry
MDI?
warm plinth
Mythic Dungeon International
exotic spoke
Mythic dungeon invitational (or international - whatever it stands for now )
tame garden
Bad riki
exotic spoke
Lots of gold when?
mental scarab
tame garden
Arms
hallow phoenix
Arms ❤️
tame garden
Pull the world and bladestorm
exotic spoke
I’d try prot if I was committed to the group I’m in
We do good aoe dps + the hp nerf
tame garden
Ya I do solo on my bear its free
exotic spoke
I’ll have to start soloing later for the feat of strength
craggy harness
hmm are mobcount % not matching MDT frequent?
craggy harness
it was atal 6, didn't seem like there was much to muck up
analog swift
I think there is an issue with rp and count from the left side
tame garden
Its possible theres an error. If you suspect so then report it to nnoggie
craggy harness
nods not experienced, so i'm taking what i saw with a grain of salt
modern brook
Yeah I'd be inclinded to say u fucked something up
craggy harness
i cleared all the non dino packs except the two going to the left down to rezan
and then the first totem pack on the right was skipped
shrugs i'll pay more attention next time
modern brook
a ss would be more useful tbh; if u have one
tame garden
^
prisma crane
ah yes, the shield slam soul stone screen shot
i love acronyms that require context lol
modern brook
Typing is for losers so I try and do it as little as possible
tame garden
Good thing we had plenty of context
prisma crane
oh yea i agree
it's just that man, if you're uninitiated you can get confused so quickly
SS SB SR LS DS TC SW EV TD
and many more
warm plinth
That’s what we have you for Krotos
tame garden
At least you can kinda figure them out with context. When I played boomy you had 3 SF spells = sunfire, starfall, stellar flare. Ridiculous!
still flame
Got as good a Faralos as possible on Normal, any chance it's better than my current equipped? Im trying to sim it to have Force Multiplier and (not sure which) gem, but idk if im doing it right
sweet summit
15 ilvls is a lot, highly doubt faralos is better. the corruption proc is fairly weak
you can sim it and see
still flame
thanks @sweet summit. Ive been trying to sim it, im just surprised that its not quite beating it, even with a socket (but i also dont know if im simming the socket/adding Force Multiplier to it properly
hallow phoenix
460 faralos definitively beats my 470 weapon
But depends on your current corruptions I guess
still flame
I have to get my Cloak up to Rank 10 -- still Rank 8, then I think i'll be able to tell. I've got 430 Wrist but it's got Expediency 3 on it, so that additional Haste bonus might put the Faralos over the top
sick sentinel
TS > dev on st?
ionic fern
@sick sentinel first pin.
craggy harness
hmm, looking at that first pin--- that's a very bold void ritual
ionic fern
Literally everything is better than Devastate on ST.👀
sick sentinel
sound
steel spire
475 Vial worth using as prot?
sweet summit
vial is good if you use it right
exotic spoke
Don’t macro it to avatar
haughty forum
Why not? Wouldn't that be good burst dps?
mortal brook
Avatar wont always align, and pulls wont always align.
analog zinc
avatar -> clap -> demo -> wait until gcd is about to finish -> vial & clap
tardy warren
Hey guys, looking for a addon to automatically put a skull above the highest hp mob in the current pack im fighting. I've seen it before, guy said method dungeon tools does it but I can't figure out how to make it do that. Is that the right addon for that or do I need something different?
sharp night
it's a wa not mdt
tardy warren
Any idea where to go to get it?
sharp night
wago
tardy warren
Ok thanks
tardy warren
@sharp night ty!
short kindle
Should last stand be used as a backup shield block with bolster?
undone sun
most of the time it's used to connect the duration of SB with the Block from LS/Bolster, together you can get something like 50 seconds of uninterrupted block
limpid pawn
with enough haste you can shield block 3x then last stand, then sb 2-3x
can also use shield wall to connect shield blocks when you have down time
short kindle
Ok, where does Ignoire pain fit in in all this, im brand new to protection so jsut wnana learn
limpid pawn
just when you have extra rage where if oyu use ignore pain, it won't stop you from using your next shield block
but for some enemies that only do magic damage and no physical damage (like shadow of zuul, 3rd and 4th mechagon bosses)
spice shoal
motherlode aswemm
limpid pawn
you want to be spamming IP as well as alternate demo shout, spell reflect, and shield wall
i meant motherlode not mechagon
so for "magic only" bosses, pretend demo shout, shield wall, and ignore pain are your blocks
and spell reflect
limpid pawn
demo shout flat out removes 20% of the damage, shield wall is 40%, and spell reflect is 30%
spice shoal
and keep spell reflect in the rotation aswell
short kindle
ok, is shield wall the last resort against magic? thinking since its on the longest cd
limpid pawn
i would start out with demo shout + ignore pain spam
so lets use shadow of zuul in kings rest for example
you can see when he's going to hit you with his spell
assuming you are tanking it and not kiting it, cast demo shout and spam IP right before the 1st one hits you
try to extend the demo shout as long as possible by having 1 azerite trait "deafening crash" and using thunderclap
if the demo shout falls off and he's about to hit you again with his spell, cast spell reflect and spam IP
that should cover like 2 of his casts
then if demo shout isn't back by then, use shield wall
the shield wall will get you through like 2-3 casts depending on how well you timed it
then when shield wall falls off, demo shout is back
then after that, spell reflect again
hopefully by then, he's dead
if absolutely nothing is back, use last stand - not really mitigating the damage but you are gaining a big chunk of health to soak more damage
short kindle
ok ok, thanks for the insight
sick sentinel
Any tips for doing more dmg in m+? I'm only doing around 26k overall in 10-13s running Rezans and Howler, should I switch out for barnacle? I feel like I should be contributing more to dps as with pugs were missing 14s and 15s by only 30 seconds or so
trinkets aren't what makes your dps good or not
it's your play
Yea I'm trying to tc on every 2nd global and keep avatar on CD, and using revenge whenever I can with proc or extra rage but still feels lacking
push literally every button you have on cd
demo, ss, tc, revenge in empty globals, avatar
and also don't forget that you using shield block and last stand properly also increases your dps
zealous ore
Can you thunderclap without a shield?
undone sun
take off your shield and try it
tame garden
👀
jovial junco
is there any good prot warrior streamers and/or youtubers?
hallow shard
how good is the mechagon tank trinket?
sharp night
contender for worst trinket in the game
tawdry prawn
@sick sentinel how do using last stand increase dps? Just wondering bc I am not doing it lol
gentle abyss
Hey guys do you think a 445 shield with r2 Twilight deva is better than 470 with 12% vers? cant sim cause I dont have the items right now, but my question basically boils down to if the survival on 445 would be good enough compared to the 470
warm plinth
DPS wise, yeah it'd be better. But survival wise, not even close. You should never drop ilevel on shield.
sharp night
if you're farming easy keys you could drop shield ilvl maybe
sick sentinel
No matter what corruption, in high end content ilvl on the shield matters
gentle abyss
want to push higher and higher m+ keys(15s and higher)
sharp night
but if you're pushing i'd go with the higher one
sick sentinel
so you'd use the 470
Nothing really gives you vers besides CNS so I'd cleanse that shield unless you have nothing else on it
even then, I'd still do it because corruption effects are annoying
gentle abyss
Its a BoE in auction and I was contemplating buying it
gentle abyss
well I already have that so yea thats a lot cheaper, free as a matter of fact lol
gentle abyss
not running into corruption problem right now but will consider it if I have to switch corruption up a bit, thanks for the info
sick sentinel
I'd cleanse it brother. Literally nothing gives you vers
it's pointless to have it
and 12 on a small amount of vers is trivial
warm ridge
Is Strength in Numbers or Overwhelming Power better for M+?
sharp night
OP
warm ridge
Ty
viral kite
what are the caps for secondary stats?
warm plinth
There aren't any
daring sable
hey guys, is it worth to randomroll on azerite pieces for m+?
warm plinth
Yes
daring sable
this is what i currently got
craggy harness
hrm... i think i just either had to do nothing in h raden or i got carried and didn't learn what to do
shrugs helplessly
sick sentinel
roll for chest
cerulean oxide
HOW TF do you deal with boss 3 in ML?
im eating 200k autoattacks
fire dmg
already spell reflecting her dot
warm plinth
Spam IP, rotate CDs, all you really can do
sick sentinel
he's only magic dmg so speccing for it and never shield blocking only IP
You never shield block, spam IP. Switch out after second boss for never surrender, null barrier and edicts for magic if you have
rotate cds and avatar
undone sun
NS isn't necessary
sick sentinel
it helps
undone sun
Imo to a marginal degree
sick sentinel
especially in higher MLs keys where you're getting chunked to 20% every hit
and that extra help makes it so you don't get one shot
and have time to refresh
The higher the key, the more it'll save you as you getting dunked to sub 10/20% more
cerulean oxide
jesus thanks for the tips guys, downed her next attempt with IP spam
how do other tanks deal with that? insane damage
sick sentinel
manage CDs the same way, and other tanks have better ways to deal with it also
depending on the tank
undone sun
Other thanks have better mitigation for magic
cerulean oxide
but what about a brm? nearly no mit on magic
sick sentinel
Bears have frenzied reg, monks stagger and heal it, paladins can shield and offheal
etc
undone sun
Stagger still makes it a lot more trivial
sick sentinel
monks are probably the best for it
sick sentinel
yes and they heal the rest
cerulean oxide
75%ish stagger * .25 on magic dmg
goin to have to bring my monk here this week and test it
warm plinth
That fight is actually a joke for DH
Our tank legit takes almost no damage from Rixxa lol
Same with fort Zul. He just kinda shrugs it off
echo pebble
for m+ should i take minor aegis or lucid? having trouble choosing
warm plinth
Lucid
broken hatch
hows prot in pvp scenario
cerulean oxide
ok yall werent lying about rixxa being easier on a brm
just did it on my brm
1 lvl lower
23.8k damage taken per s
warrior was 53k
stoic pilot
The fights an absolute meme for veng DH too with conflict major
Since you can dispel yourself everytime
sharp night
vdh don't even need to dispel it, just heal through it
limpid pawn
is anyone using nzoth trinket for m+
hidden plaza
Is a 460 mecha shield with the equip bonus better then 460 riot shield? for m+ just lose 73 vers but gain the absorb
sick sentinel
mecha shield is buns same ilvl
errant oriole
is bobby howles still interuptable with the shield up`?
warm plinth
Yes
errant oriole
ok the my dps just interupted on jes i guess xD
mystic berry
anyone else plays with The Formless Void? this was atal 14 with 51.1k over all (TD rank 2)
had motherlode around 60k last night
warm plinth
What minors were you using? Just curious.
mystic berry
VoP, ND and SotW
warm plinth
Would've probably done better with C&S and Sphere or Lucid (instead of ND/SotW)
sharp night
i had to actually think for a bit to figure out what ND was lol
warm plinth
Same haha
That's not bad though, 12.6% of damage. Wonder how that compares to VoP major
sharp night
like when people call lucid mold i do a doubletake every time
mystic berry
its not only 12.6% its much more cause i on bosses you can use blood of the enemy
and if you need heal you take lucid or what ever
and it feels rly good
warm plinth
Eh, ngl I'm pretty sure Iris would give you more damage even on ST than Blood of the Enemy would.
I might be wrong, but that's my gut instinct
marble cipher
Watched Rad's prot guide (focus on M+), he's using Undying major.
Is that something to consider using? I've never changed out of VoP major myself tbf
warm plinth
The only downside I'd say to Iris is that you can't block/dodge/parry during the cast/channel, which is gonna be spicy
mystic berry
stun > memebeam
undone sun
Can't stun bosses 😉
warm plinth
Iris takes longer than Shockwave stuns for though
mystic berry
not rly... mby half a sec or so without def, but you can kite away while you are beaming. its not like you are going to die, these are healing logs from that atal
so its not glass cannon 26.6 k over all
warm plinth
Idk I'd say that healing meters are pretty irrelevant when determing survivability when adding a channel/cast to your rotation
sharp night
yeah bote would def not give more dmg than iris on ST
it's barely more dps for actual dps specs
warm plinth
Because the damage you're going to take during that time is going to be very quick, since half the time you're going to have multiple mobs beating on you
sharp night
for a tank there's no way it outperforms
warm plinth
@marble cipher Didn't mean to ignore you; I've heard that some really high key pushers are using Undying major, but it's not something the general population should have to worry about (consensus still isn't back if it's even really necessary/worth it for them tbh)
sharp night
you probably don't want to be copying people doing that level of key anyway, push using the standard stuff and when you get to that level if you need the surv then you will know it
marble cipher
K, thanks for the info! I understand the reasoning behind using that one over VoP since VoP is totally random.
But still, those Avatar procs are nice to have
warm plinth
Only thing I can see it helping on is facetanking the spirit breaker lieutenant, and to me it seems silly to run a major for one mob out of an entire dungeon.
sharp night
and you can test it for yourself
marble cipher
If anything, I'll probably swap to Formless from time to time to have some fun with 'stealing' essences.
But seems for my key level (15 ish), VoP will still be the way to go
warm plinth
Yeah, most likely. But like we're saying about Formless, depending on what essence you use, it can be pretty dangerous.
Clearly it does good damage, but if you used Iris at the wrong time you're just going to fall over
marble cipher
True
mystic berry
just try it, youll see you cant die if you play right
marble cipher
How does the stealing actually work? You can steal whenever, and keep that one till you steal another one, or can you swap 'steals' mid run?
Never tried it
mystic berry
you channel steal on friendly player and have 15 sec to use beam or whatever
no you lose it once you use it and have to steal it again
marble cipher
Ah k
mystic berry
i just put DH on focus and made macro to use steal on focus target
marble cipher
So you'd need to time the steal, and I assume you can't block/parry while the channel for stealing is active either?
sick sentinel
I mean
You're only doing 50k in an atal
with td
I feel like it's not worth
especially in higher keys
marble cipher
So steal, pull, stun, use, and continue normal tanking
warm plinth
Yeah, in either case there's a lot of casting going on, during which time you can't block/dodge/parry. You can play around it obviously but whether it's worth it or not, idk.
mystic berry
mby with rank 3 td yes, this is not rank 3... td
marble cipher
Might give it a go, but I've got r3 TD (on a 410 ring lol) too
sick sentinel
It's not worth damage wise either
Considering I can do more than 51k without td and without formless
and without the mitigation risk
warm plinth
TD isn't relevant to the question at hand (is formless void worth it). He was just saying that the damage output wasn't really anything out of the ordinary.
He being Kyothi
Yeah, exactly my thinking Kyothi
I've seen people post those numbers (and higher) without using Formless
marble cipher
51k overall dps in a key? Damn, I need to git gud
sick sentinel
that'sl ow
especially for something like atal
where you're going to have avatar most likely for every pull, snap and large pack
mystic berry
sure, share your log of atal 14 bolstering doing 50k over all and ill believe you 😄
marble cipher
I've never done the snaps, seems a bit counter intuitive with affixes like sang or bolstering
marble cipher
No rogue in my m+ group :-(
marble cipher
Hunter trap would work though
Yet the screamer would still be in range I guess, for the bridge snap
warm plinth
As long as they're trapped before you get into combat, it should still prevent bolstering.
marble cipher
Oh
warm plinth
Doesn't matter the range
marble cipher
Thought they still bolstered then
warm plinth
Ah, gotcha. I was under the impression that any hard CC would prevent bolstering as long as you weren't mid-combat when the CC went out.
sick sentinel
they aren't hard cc
warm plinth
I'm used to using Imprison in my group with 2 DHs
marble cipher
K, thanks @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
Hard cc means you don't enter combat with aggro range
which only sap, warlock and dh do
warm plinth
Hard CC means the mob can't do anything. It doesn't have anything to do with combat. Even stuns are considered hard CC. Unless the definition has changed since vanilla lol.
sharp night
banish isn't a noncombat cc
but it prevents bolstering
you 100% agro with banish
sap and imprison are the only two that don't agro from proximity
warm plinth
RIP Legion Repentance
sharp night
repentance used to during legion
left hatch
the definition hasn't changed, hard CC is anything that prevents any action from the mob regardless of the length of time while soft CC still retains some sort of control like roots/slows etc
imprison/sap are just special forms of hard cc because they turn off proximity aggro
warm plinth
Yeah, was reading a forum post around the time they made the change where some CC would prevent some affixes. Looks like the proximity aggro thing is the differentiator. If it turns off proximity, that's what makes it so they won't gain stacks of bolstering since the mob never gets in combat. Also explains why you can't just Imprison a mob mid-pull to prevent stacks since the mob is already in combat at that point.
Though since the range is only what, 35 yards now on bolstering, you can still CC and pull shit away pretty easily (or like on Matron Brindle, just pull the dogs away from her far enough that she won't bolster)
marble cipher
Still, in lights of that explanation, how do the saurid+screamer packs work?
Cause they're linked packs, so imprisoning the screamer, and pulling the saurids, should 'pack-aggro' the screamer, shouldn't it?
sharp night
they are not linked
marble cipher
TiL 😂
sharp night
if you taunt the furthest right small saurid in any given pack the big birds shouldn't agro
warm plinth
Yeah you can usually check proximities via MDT. If you have to select them separately, they aren’t actually linked.
marble cipher
Good tip, I'm just getting into using MDT more
warm plinth
Not to say that you can’t still aggro them but usually it’s because one of the other mobs ran close enough or you hit a mob close enough to cause it to aggro.
That’s why monks were so good for beguiling because you could get the emissaries far enough from the mobs that they wouldn’t proximity aggro.
With ring
marble cipher
Yeah, I used that a lot last season on my monk, but that was just me thinking the emissaries were never linked.
Didn't know the saurid+screamer weren't linked too
warm plinth
Yeah it’s definitely not a common thing. Usually if it looks like things are linked, they are.
But things like screamers or pretty much the entire 2nd boss room in UR
Even stuff close together isn’t technically linked
left hatch
one of the best examples of those "should be linked but arn't" thats a game changer with bolstering is the wind caster miniboss in shrine
sharp night
also wrt sap/imprison afaik even if mobs are linked
they stay out of combat until the cc breaks
and immediately agro as soon as it breaks
marble cipher
Yeah, the heldis trick is lovely
sharp night
so you can fight near them as long as the cc was first applied out of combat
marble cipher
I had Twilight proc while taunting the heldis 'add' though, that was a sad moment
Guess I should taunt pull rather than crackling Jade (monk)
sharp night
i just body pull it because sometimes they come at the wrong angle if you taunt anyway
actually i'd have to check on that imprison thing though, i think we always end up pulling away from the cced mobs when we do any stuff for bolstering
left hatch
ranged pulls for me seem way riskier
ranged attack*
taunt or a body pull seem to be the safest
bronze forge
Hey my dudes, I'm currently M+ Tanking for my guildies, Having a ton of fun! My stats are 16/22/27/13, https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tKLC6mV9Lp7yW7VJZkkmpz My question is do i need more crit
bronze forge
i was told you need to push crit for damage
bronze forge
dude no need to have a go i'm just asking for advise
sick sentinel
You never asked for anything
warm plinth
Yes, the question that's asked 800 times a day in here is a troll, smfh
He literally said "my question is do I need more crit"
warm plinth
You do not need more crit. You want to prioritize ilevel over pretty much anything and then haste/crit for M+
On equal ilevel stuff
bronze forge
Oh i get ya
warm plinth
Simming for M+ is kind of difficult since there are no real sim scenarios that are a great match for an overall dungeon. However you can sim ST Patchwerk for like 3ish minutes (usually a good average for boss fights) and 5-target patchwerk with a 1-2 minute sim for trash (shorter sims than that can have flukey results)
Make sure you disable bloodlust for AoE sims since that'll skew results
bronze forge
Yeah tank simmings always been a bugger, i will take a look with that, im not too concerned over damage because of the echoes, but like 4 ppl said i need more crit now hence why i asked. i thought i was missing a trick xD
warm plinth
He is correct that you should not be using Azeroth's Undying. Top ranked warriors really aren't a great source of information unless you're doing the same content they are, and even then you shouldn't be using anything that they're using without knowing why.
bronze forge
i have zero clue on essences only been tankign it for a few days
i dont think i have many tank ones tbh
warm plinth
You're fine; not a new situation for people in here 🙂 Ideally for M+ you'd want Vision of Perfection major, then Memory of Lucid Dreams, Conflict & Strife, and Sphere of Suppression or Aegis minors (or you can use Formless/Strength of the Warden if you need corruption resist)
bronze forge
i read that vision was good for avatar pumping, lucid dream is still low, still doing pvp for strife and conglict
and blood
warm plinth
you can use Sphere even if it's rank 1; all you get out of higher ranks is speed and a longer duration (but it has 100% uptime while being hit anyway even at R1)
Do you have/have access to Aegis R3?
The Nazjatar essence?
bronze forge
ageis is rank 2 blue yea
warm plinth
I'd use that instead of Conflict until Conflict is Rank 3
bronze forge
so ill go perfection>lucid>ageis>formless
warm plinth
Yeah that should be fine. Then replace Aegis with Conflict at R3
warm plinth
You'll want an Avatar tracker too probably
So you don't accidentally cast Avatar when you have a Vision proc, since it doesn't extend it past 20 seconds if you do
bronze forge
Ahhhh i never even thought of that
would you run a big red button over that 445 tink i have, just a str stick and vers proc trink
i have one of them same ili
ilvl*
warm plinth
Nah big red button is pretty meh. I'd stick with what you have
Sigil is not ideal though; I'd try to get like a Rezan's or a Butcher's Block if you can to replace that.
vocal skiff
Would you use anima major when doing visions solo
left hatch
no
about hte only time anima major is better than VoP for aoe damage is islands, where you literally pull the entire island into it
otherwise VoP gives you more aoe damage
i would consider maybe using CoF major though, because some of the minibosses take a disproportionately long time to kill compared to the rank and file trash and that major helps
warm plinth
Yeah VR should keep you healed up as long as you're not getting hit by every ability or something
left hatch
and unlike islands theres some trash that is actually really dangerous to mass pull solo
the casters in the Drag have a suppress that nukes for instance
teal knoll
is the shield from mechagon any good for prot warriors?
the salvaged mekacycle shielding
warm plinth
If it's your highest ilevel, use it. If not, then no.
teal knoll
ok
marble cipher
Moar haaaste!!!
😜
pulsar niche
the haste trinket is good in tank?
left hatch
one of our best
glad ridge
use ask mr robot if you dont wanna do the work
left hatch
- mr robot is bad
- you can only sim for dps so a generic question like "is X good" has way more factors than a sim can give you
he isn't necessarily asking if its good for pumping
glad ridge
someone named pandam was asking about stats
glad ridge
if youre lazy and dont wanna learn to do stuff mer robot is awesome
left hatch
id argue that raidbots isn't any more complex or hard to use
warm plinth
If you're lazy and don't wanna learn to do stuff, then why use anything tbh
left hatch
^
and mr. robot can flat out give you wrong info
and honestly after opening up AMR for the first time since MoP... the ui is even more confusing and unintuitive than raidbots
this site map is yikes af
cerulean oxide
'mr rotbot is awful' jk they all use simc so its the same shit being repackaged
left hatch
the API for amr isn't updated as regularly
so no its not the same shit
and at least as of 6 months ago no AMR didn't use Simcraft's backend they used their own custom shit thats not crowdsourced by theory crafters
sooo....
and on top of that AMR thinks it can 'sim defensively' which yikes
so its not only inaccurate, its misleading af
white hollow
how worth is this?
left hatch
not fantastic
limpid pawn
wait... for tanking isn't it good?
i have it on my belt, it seems like the CD reduction is good
left hatch
Mwahi's talked about it a few times