š
#protection
strong forum
jovial saffron
@west kayak is that another maker of a WA package?
tame garden
š
exotic spoke
But itās all I got Speg other than TD T2 on an item 45 ilvls lower than what I could wear
wooden radish
ToS is your favorite 
cold cosmos
Too bad I can't sell off any of my spare corruption gear š
RNGesus said: Arrhae, you're getting allllllll of the corruption
exotic spoke
@wooden radish yes because it fostered great amounts of teamwork between myself and one of the other officers to murder the raid as guldan. Weād sneak off after bosses, id grab one rune and murder the raid and heād grab another rune - and head to the respawn point
west kayak
@jovial saffron Correct. I use an older version of it that works well for my playstyle.
exotic spoke
Thats fucking team work right there Lincoln
wooden radish
š¤
exotic spoke
It was team building!
And helped teach situational awareness - always be prepared for a surprise Guldan
grand spruce
So for horrific visions as prot, cof major with cyclotronic are good options. What about the other trinket slot and minors?
cold cosmos
I murdered a bunch of people on N'Zoth last night. Got about half of the raid to try taking off their cloaks before pull
exotic spoke
Are you soloing ozzy?
jovial saffron
@west kayak i searched wago and didn't find anything with that author name attached to it, do you have a link by chance?
exotic spoke
^^. Iād probably use a good Urchin if you have one in higher runs with masks
grand spruce
Yes I'm soloing
hallow phoenix
Urchin sure if you want the safety net
exotic spoke
Things start to hurt later
But I am running with 3-4 other people with 3masks so thatās part of it. Going to try the quad mask this week
strong forum
eyo @warm plinth i just got Iron Tide helmet on VDH, how furious are you
exotic spoke
Heās gazing at you furiously right now Nome
ruby nexus
I did a full clear with about 1.5k sanity left. What would be the easiest masks to clear with?
solo that is
exotic spoke
Probably the one that gives you an extra madness effect
Or the one that leaves circles that drain sanity if you stand in them
quartz mist
blood rite trait or bloodsport ?
exotic spoke
So there are 7 items on the random chest table now. Are there also 7 for the shoulders?
@quartz mist what does blood rite do again?
quartz mist
chance for 930 haste for 15 sec , refreshes after killing a enemy
exotic spoke
I donāt know proc rate for it. But if itās anywhere near decent Iād go bloodrite
ruby nexus
What are the extra madness effects this week? Sanity puddles seems easy too but also punishing for a mistake.. Headbutt into disorient into sanity puddles and so on
exotic spoke
@ruby nexus itās only like 15 sanity if you stop and stand in them
The extra effect is usually really easy too
warm plinth
@ruby nexus In lost areas it's split personality (the void zones around you that you have to go through the opening) and the fear circle. In corrupted areas, it's the bugs and scorched feet (the leap that leaves fire), and in the main area it's the fast/slow shit and the extra damage circles on the ground
warm plinth
I only remembered 6 when I was going through them but I wasn't really checking for the amount
sweet summit
7(?) since tank buster pauldrons were added
analog zinc
procs vop
immediately casts ava
warm plinth
Yeah there's 7
exotic spoke
So 7 for each. Aight. Thanks QTPIES
burnt bronze
2nd Brace for Impact or Clockwork Hearth?
warm plinth
Brace
exotic spoke
Yeah, time for me to start saving some TR
tame garden
Gambling is for fools
daring marlin
i like how they buffed the vers corruption by 10% and it's still ass.
exotic spoke
Especially with my loot luck.
daring marlin
whatcha mean friend
exotic spoke
I mean, itās a filler Corruption. Did you expect it to be amazing?
daring marlin
Just be like those Fury Warriors in BoD that got abyssal and c'thraxxi on their first and second random rolls
:^^^^^^^^^^)
exotic spoke
Oh regarding loot luck? I was just responding to Speg. Iāve had shit luck this tier. Absolute dog shit
burnt bronze
they could atleast balance it somewhat so its not complete garbage
exotic spoke
I mean, all of the extra stat ones arenāt going to be the best for most specs.
Vers for us especially since it takes so much vers to get anything of note
The mastery or haste one on the other hand will be great. Crit will be solid too IMO
exotic spoke
Not ideal, but good to fill in / max out corruption
exotic spoke
Oh I thought you meant the x% more of a secondary
daring marlin
nah, my bad
exotic spoke
Not the proc ones. Yeah I wouldnāt use those
daring marlin
tbh I want the haste one
exotic spoke
I mean Iāll take the % more mastery or haste š
daring marlin
or ineffable
cuz arms
the mastery, crit or haste would be nice for prot
I wanna be like Imfiredup and have 42% more haste like he has of the mastery one
fucking madlad
exotic spoke
Just be in a guild that borrowed 250M gold for all the BoEs
daring marlin
I actually hate that the most
buying corruption and double socket rings
is the dumbest thing ever
exotic spoke
When winning isnāt everything, itās the only thing, you do what you have to. Because the other team is going to do the same thing
daring marlin
Not on their part I mean on Blizzard
exotic spoke
It was possible on PTR to get a triple socket š
exotic spoke
I never saw one. But I know you could add a socket to one. So if you got lucky you could get a double socket and add one
daring marlin
yo
What are your guys favorite dungeons now with Awakened?
because holy shit I love ML now
tame garden
ML pwns
exotic spoke
Depends on the shield level you have. BfI also has amazing defensive benefits that can make up for a shitty shield
sweet summit
underrot
i love that dungeon
exotic spoke
TD is better now without beguiling. But still a shit show
Honestly I think Shrine is a lot better now. UR is still great and has been for a while.
tame garden
I've done 1 td this season
Pulled through walls like 3 times
Dungeon can eat my ass 
exotic spoke
Yup
cold cosmos
TD makes Waycrest so much more exciting
leaden grail
has anyone played with clockwerk heart yet? (azerite trait from the mechagon chest) is it worth? it does sim higher than any other chestpiece
vast jay
How much does Prot benefit from crit? Just got a juicy corrupted piece with %crit increase, can't figure out if it's worth.
leaden grail
good stat for m+ because it increases parry chance & dmg
vast jay
Pure dmg, I take it it's better than the str from void ritual, considering how relatively worthless STR is for us.
eager rose
I think just sim it for the damage
I hear parry that it gives is good defensively for m+
I got my first twilight devastation piece yesterday
475 weapon
vast jay
Nice.
eager rose
How do I aim it lol
vast jay
Sheer power of will.
eager rose
Thing whips all over the place lol
vast jay
It's like flinging a wet noodle.
elder berry
I am looking at azerite traits for M+ and trying to figure out the outer ring traits to go after. I know I need a DC and just one. Which ones are most viable? do any of them stack?
eager rose
Ya wet noodle lol
Can I make sure it hits my primary tanked pack?
Just as long as they are in front of me?
Bastion of might x2 baekon
vast jay
Pretty much. The hitbox is larger than the actual goop.
vast jay
I've only got it on my main, blood weapon, it doesn't seem to miss much, I doubt there's a real (read: not clunky as fuck and probably not worth it) way to minmax it, other than don't ass-tank the pack
cold cosmos
As long as you're pointing in the general direction of whatever you want to get nuked TD usually hits
eager rose
Lol
grand spruce
at least the chest upped and gave me a belt that might work for prot
eager rose
Nice
cold cosmos
The worst is when TD goes off on the last hit of a pack
eager rose
What's its range can it ninja pull?
cold cosmos
Not sure on the exact range but it feels like 20-30ish yds
fluid ledge
can mind flay ninja pull?
autumn pendant
Never happened to me
eager rose
Ah cool
elder berry
Should I go for a IF and MS as the other 2 outer ring traits? With the other 4 being BoM x3 and a DC
eager rose
Here interesting question, with Twilight dev think I should use stam flask instead of strength?
tame garden
No
grand spruce
whats the proc rate on tentacle anyway?
eager rose
Ah gotcha
MS is good
IF I pass
Hmm I'm not convinced speg, i wonder if this is a simable question
exotic spoke
@elder berry MS is very good. If you need / want defensives so are IF.
For M+ my ideal set up is 3x BoM, 1DC and 2 MS
eager rose
Hmm I cant sim strength vs stam flask for twilight devastation
I feel like it could be good though
Since strength is so crap for us
exotic spoke
@eager rose think of it this way. How much HP does a stam flask give you? Maybe what 10k? Then if you have TD T3 its 18% of your hp as damage
So itās like 1800 extra damage on those procs.
Versus more strength on literally everything else
Why do you say strength is crap? Lol
eager rose
It sims at less than half value of any secondary stat for me
tame garden
That just means secondaries are good
eager rose
Ok ok I'm open for it being better than stam though hehe
tame garden
Stam is crap
exotic spoke
Doesnāt mean itās crap. You also get more strength than secondaries
eager rose
Hiw much damage does a strength flask add do you think to my abilities?
I need to compare that to TD proc rate right?
frank bloom
how is the void twisted trinket off ra-den for tanking?
sweet summit
void-twisted is pretty bad for tanks
craggy harness
Wouldnāt you just compare Stam flask vs str flask no flask
sweet summit
small shield and crit only when shield is up
craggy harness
In a sim. Not that thereās any doubt about stam flask being meh
exotic spoke
Strength adds more than just extra damage too. I donāt have a way of getting you the numbers because Iām at work but think of this - it adds damage to all your abilities which is modified by avatar
It also is better for survivability too
sweet summit
you can do two sims, one with str flask and one with stam flask
eager rose
Ah avatar modifier is good point too
I couldnt find how to do that on sim Rosenberg. Maybe I need to alter base sim settings
glad ridge
can they not nerf TD plz.....
eager rose
Ah I found setting
frank bloom
how is the vitacharged trinket off raden, then?
eager rose
Cool thanks
exotic spoke
TD is busted and honestly should be nerfed lol
tame garden
TD needs to be nerfed
sweet summit
vita is pog
tame garden
It's just by far the best now
Idk why they didnt nerf it in the last wave
Makes 0 sense
glad ridge
.....yeah but just leave it .....
exotic spoke
I donāt know why they thought things like this were good ideas
glad ridge
my number love it.....
eager rose
How much corruption you think we are good with max guys? Assuming we can move a small amount during encounter
exotic spoke
Itās too good Samuraiwill. Itāll be nerfed. Maybe just for tank specs - but itāll be nerfed eventually
glad ridge
numbers*
eager rose
I did vex with 40 corruption and we beat it but took a lot of damage from it too
distant crystal
tbh TD and EV shouldn't scale with HP
exotic spoke
^^
eager rose
And sometimes my thing from beyond would hit me at a bad time
glad ridge
@eager rose less than 40 after resistance
distant crystal
they should scale with ilvl or attack/spell power
exotic spoke
Especially as tanks get closer / break the 1M mark
Loki, 40 or so is a good point to cap out at
eager rose
@distant crystal I disagree, as tanks we cant avoid damage like dps or heals
eager rose
We should be given a bonus like %hp damage to compensate
distant crystal
lol wut
exotic spoke
Youāre talking about two different things
glad ridge
i mean even after the first round of nerfs they still crush other effects
exotic spoke
Waat was saying TD / EV shouldnāt have been designed around HP but instead should have been based on AP or Spell power
TD does. Gushing wound is probably better per point of corruption though. If I remember correctly
eager rose
If they dont give tanks %hp damage corruptions how are we compensated for having our corruption proc all the time
glad ridge
they will nerf the hp its based on i think
eager rose
Dps and heals can avoid procing it
exotic spoke
Uh, we shouldnāt be doing more damage than DPS
eager rose
Hehe ok agreed
eager rose
But still give us some compensation for constantly getting our corruption proced
exotic spoke
TD needs to be nerfed for the health of the game. Itās not good for a healthy game to have this imo
eager rose
Maybe if they have to nerf % but keep it hp based
exotic spoke
I mean - you donāt have to have 40 corruption?
Thatās a choice you made. You deal with the consequences
Not every class can deal with 60 corruption or so
eager rose
Hehe it wasnt a choice for me, I'm prot warrior
It was forced on me when 8.3 went live ;-)
exotic spoke
Yes it is
tame garden
exotic spoke
You donāt have to have 40 corruption
glad ridge
im keeping all corruption gear until nerfin is over
exotic spoke
Thatās your choice
exotic spoke
You need to balance your survival with your dps
eager rose
Give us the same choice as everyone else
exotic spoke
Then donāt play a tank of you donāt like having to balance that decision
eager rose
But even out the damage
glad ridge
more dps = dead mobs makes more survivability
eager rose
Tanking is in my blood, cant change it ;-(
fluid ledge
btw does nylotha mini bosses get bolstered by they adds?
analog zinc
40 is absolutely fine
distant crystal
i have to assume no
analog zinc
its only bad when you're doing spell reflect bosses
exotic spoke
I say that - but itās partially in jest @glad ridge
Corruption management is required.
If you canāt stop tanking then either learn to deal with the higher corruption effects or lower your corruption.
glad ridge
wonder if the are gonna nerf them both again
eager rose
Hehe ya true advice, I'm just saying dps and heals dont have to deal with it like we do
eager rose
I guess that's why we make the sacrifices anyway
cold cosmos
I'm still a bit shocked TD wasn't hit with the nerfbat 1-2 weeks ago
analog zinc
pog
exotic spoke
That different roles have different priorities and need to do things differently and thatās bad?
Is that what youāre honestly saying?
final mist
What do you mean that they donāt have to deal with it like we do?
Every single content has some sort of damage that everyone has to deal with, a bad spawn on a healer or dps will hurt them just as much
If not kill them outright
eager rose
Well I'm just saying that tanking has more negative effects than all the other specs with this new mechanic
exotic spoke
No we donāt lol
analog zinc
depends on class
eager rose
Just because it's an on hit proc
final mist
Everyone has the same exact effects lmao
analog zinc
pwar is AMAZING for corruption
eager rose
We get hit more,
exotic spoke
A DPS / heals gets a bad TD proc and guess what - they are dead.
eager rose
So it gets proced more
analog zinc
pwar is literally the best spec in the entire game at corruption
tame garden
Un
eager rose
But it gets proced when you take damage right?
tame garden
Bm hunter is best
exotic spoke
Hdh would like a word with you City
tame garden
Feign death
analog zinc
the only time pwar is bad is on spell reflect bosses
exotic spoke
I mean, HDHs I know are consistently running with like 80 corruption and have no issue with it
analog zinc
oh maybe hunter is best then
eager rose
I guess the one upside I can see is we can mitigate the damage more theoretically
analog zinc
i dont count range they aren't real specs
tame garden
True
exotic spoke
I agree with that
glad ridge
LOL
analog zinc
@eager rose it procs on damage, but its an RPPM system, tanks aren't gonna get more of them than other classes
eager rose
Does spell reflect help with thing from beyond?
final mist
Yeah it reflects it
analog zinc
yes????
it literally
insta kills
90% of TFBs
very rarely will one actually hit you if your reaction times are mediocre at best
eager rose
Ah k that helps city, but I dont think that's true for eyeballs
analog zinc
it is
eager rose
Ah cool sal
exotic spoke
You just sidestep out of eyeballs or cloak and youāre good
eager rose
SR reflects 5 ticks?
analog zinc
4-5
final mist
Or just purify the items and run <40 (or zero) corruption, if you think itās that hard to deal with
final mist
Itās really not that big of a deal
analog zinc
the only issue is you cant go over 60
eager rose
This is the pve spell not the pvp one right?
analog zinc
because although it stops the TFB, you still drop circle & get slowed
eager rose
And we are sure I can reflect the thing from beyond too?
Which you say is on a hard PPM unlike eyeballs?
eager rose
I have seen multiple eyeballs at one time though?
cold cosmos
Blizzard loves their RPPM
analog zinc
yeah thats how RPPM works
sometimes they're very spread apart, sometimes they're close
RPPM just means you'll average x amount of procs per minute
analog zinc
ICD (internal cooldown) means that after one spawned, the game has to wait x seconds before spawning another, as far as we're aware there's virtually no ICD on corruption effects, as they can chain together
eager rose
Ah k that makes sense
Oh also why do I feel like I never get slowed? Is my vision of perfection proving avatar constantly and clearing me of snare?
analog zinc
partially that
cold cosmos
Avatar does clear the snare
analog zinc
also you might just not move much
also before it could be dispelled so if you had a weirdo healer they might have dispelled most of them
exotic spoke
Your healer can cleanse you too if I recall correctly
eager rose
Ah ya maybe it was that too
analog zinc
they nerfed that today or yesterday
exotic spoke
Some healers see cleansable debuffs and do it by reaction
cold cosmos
My healers were going crazy because they didn't know how to handle the entire raid getting snared all the time <_<
eager rose
Have we confirmed that a Bastion avatar proc will clear it though?
analog zinc
i dont even track specific debuffs on my grid, I track by debuff type
so when grasp gets on you I see you have a Magic Debuff
exotic spoke
^^
analog zinc
if its uncleansable I cant see any of em
eager rose
Any tips on how to target thing from beyond and stormbolt it?
warm plinth
Tab/click it
craggy harness
mouseover
craggy harness
i added that to my ignore pain button
eager rose
Hmm mouseover sounds decent
craggy harness
since it wasn't doing anything with shift or ctrl
eager rose
I'm not sure if mine spawns with a health bar though for me to mouse over
craggy harness
i only tested in regular world server, but TFB seemed to lag when i CCd it
you get a blue line aimed at you, don't you?
might be on crack, i be
i didn't end up going that high in corruption anyway, other guild tank is a little precarious with threat
still flame
Does Raidbots not calculate the effect of the Mechagon Rings working together? Im trying to figure out what lvl Logic Loop of Recursion would be an improvement over my 2nd ring and im not sure how to
heres the ring i wanna replace if possible (or it may not be worth it)
distant crystal
link sim
exotic spoke
Crit is really solid for dps
distant crystal
i don't see any uptime for the ring buff
still flame
which is why as a tank its not showing me that having the haste proc would outdps it
distant crystal
in the html report
craggy harness
are you simming same ring
just the logic twice
with no result ?
just if part, not the then?
still flame
i was trying to sim different level logic loop
distant crystal
my guess is you got the wrong slot chosen
distant crystal
when i hit run sim again it's not bringing up your original sim for me to confirm
but make sure you're putting the logic loop in whatever slot your murky is in currently
cause the sim should def be using 3 diff spells to get you some uptime on the haste buff
just naturally
still flame
yeah i was pressing Slot 2 so it shows the 2 mechagon rings together i thought
maybe it just doesnt match up? i tried cheating it by giving the Logic Loop same level and void ritual and it comes out on top https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Px2EAt68ipvPreRiXtXz1
craggy harness
can you maybe share the simc addon text in pastebin?
still flame
give me 1 sec ive never used pastebin
distant crystal
i'm trying some out on my char
haughty forum
I run aegis and nullification for my minors in M+, which should I use for my 3rd?
still flame
distant crystal
even using 475 mecha combos
tame garden
<3
distant crystal
nvm imma schmuck
tame garden
Not sure I couldn't get your sim to load
still flame
hm, weird
tame garden
So I just did one off your armory
still flame
also im surprised its not as high a DPS increase as I thought it might be
distant crystal
good to see that simc doesn't sim tanks hitting from behind though
division simming worse than recursion
craggy harness
hmm, your pastebin text doesn't have the other rings in bags?
still flame
oh i dont have the othre ring yet @craggy harness
im trying to figure out what level i need tobe hunting for
craggy harness
oh okay. my bad
still flame
no sweat
craggy harness
Does this give the result we are looking for? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ksvHnkfCJzMaWevFjKn8n4
still flame
sort of. it shows that the two mechagon rings together would be better but id actually be better off replacing the 1 i currently have with the new one
craggy harness
i just added the three mech rings into bags of your paste, and ran droptimizier
no idea if there was a better way, or if i fudged something badly
still flame
i think you and speg are definitely closer than i was
craggy harness
hmm which one do you already have?
i may have assumed wrong there, just because of speed reading and copy pasta
still flame
I already have the Overclocking Bit Band
craggy harness
bit tricky that one, since you have it socketed
still flame
thanks so much for your help everyone
terse dragon
Do you guys know if you have to split the bosses in hivemind mythic?
terse dragon
Yeah it should
flint wraith
Also from VoP procs?
flint wraith
ah ok
strong forum
is it only me or does infinite stars NOT proc on dummies
ionic fern
I don't even know what snares are. Always thought it's slows.
š
But it works on Wrathion 100%.
ionic fern
#EnglishLanguage.
craggy harness
^-
modern brook
which is weird cause snare is synonymous more with root than with slow
modern brook
same
tbh i didnt even know avatar did anything with CC
I just press the button and scream into my microphone for 20 seconds
exotic spoke
What do you mean the English language is fucked? Itās not like the following is an example of a grammatically correct sentence:
āBuffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.ā
Oh wait. It is
sweet summit
what
exotic spoke
Youāre right @ionic fern the English language is horrible
modern brook
Please stop tagging me
exotic spoke
Who tagged you?
modern brook
@sweet summit , riki is employing homophones and homonyms to create a complicated linguistic construct through lexical ambiguity
warm plinth
Who you calling a homophobe
sweet summit
what
modern brook
exotic spoke
As an example of how bad the English Language is - given the discussion between what counts as slows versus snares
And what Avatar breaks and doesnāt break
sweet summit
exotic spoke
Did you know there is an order in which youāre supposed to arrange adjectives in the English language?
modern brook
yeah
exotic spoke
Ie large red submarine versus the red large submarine
modern brook
iirc its like size, age, shape, color, origin, material, purpose, noun
hence Big bad wolf vs bad big wolf
craggy harness
wasn't that something about how our brain expects the order
and the wrong way just feels wrong?
modern brook
I think thats more a side effect of hearing it one way for your whole life (as a native speaker)
exotic spoke
It feels wrong because thatās what youāve always seen / encountered. I donāt recall ever being taught the order
modern brook
I had to research this when i was 14 for extra credit
craggy harness
its a bad big wolf
modern brook
so i never forgot
craggy harness
vs the big bad wolf
exotic spoke
Iād argue that big bad wolf is no longer two adjectives and more just a specific noun too
analog swift
Hm
analog swift
Thereās another thing like this
analog zinc
pretty sure all slows are snares & vice versa
modern brook
which is probably that way cause of u know
exotic spoke
It should - unless itās a specific noun š
modern brook
poetry
exotic spoke
Off topic š
analog swift
This one
craggy harness
so, topic wise
exotic spoke
That is an abomination. An affront to God.
Manās ego knows no bounds!
craggy harness
m+ chest bad tanking trinkets are low odds right
modern brook
Quick update
exotic spoke
Yeah risen
modern brook
snares are slows
craggy harness
like, now that i got plate and bandages
modern brook
almost all of them
craggy harness
i should be good for the future? lol
exotic spoke
If you donāt have a 475 1 hander / shield itās still worth to go prot loot spec
modern brook
as per the Wow wiki, the most reliable source of info
distant crystal
<---can relate @analog swift
exotic spoke
I have a 465 geti already lol
distant crystal
same
craggy harness
i may yell at you if i get ink pod
analog swift
Yeah I had 465s from m+
distant crystal
now i tank plate stack KR's to trade to our plate dps
analog swift
Just was terrified of shit pods
distant crystal
and bdk
exotic spoke
Went into KR to do a carry. Told the buyer I can trade anything but the weapon.
Got Geti
distant crystal
i just know i'm gonna get some insane t3 TD socket getti
and feel sad when i trade it to our DK
analog swift
Also got a tusk on my brewmaster
warm plinth
Someone sent me a screenshot of a 475 socketed, indestructible tusk with T3 IS
distant crystal
i really gotta spam some ML's tho
i needs a shield
our ret got a 475 getti with IS
first cache
craggy harness
sounds like a "Riiiiiiiiiiiiii"
distant crystal
lol
eager rose
Ya you guys were right stam isnt siming as good as strength with TD
distant crystal
nice shootin' tex
eager rose
Not far off though
modern brook
Its just regular rezan with a cowboy hat
analog swift
how does demo shout interact w/ the bleed
craggy harness
rezan's not that scary.
analog swift
i assume it has to be up before he applies it
craggy harness
with that hat
analog swift
gotcha
modern brook
unless you're playing feral basically nothing snapshots in this game
analog swift
so
modern brook
anymore*
distant crystal
yup
craggy harness
oh, learning to affliction for wotlk
modern brook
yes
distant crystal
sometimes you gotta make the healer kite
or the mage iceblock and get eaten
so you can postpone the bleeds :p
modern brook
feral snapshots because otherwise its literally half of assassination
eager rose
So demo shout reduces dots on you already if you demo shout the mob that cast it?
craggy harness
i'm levelling a druid, i need to figure out what to do with it outside of heals
distant crystal
yes
eager rose
Cool
distant crystal
for the duration of the debuff, dmg sourced from those mobs is lowered
craggy harness
anyway. back to trinket grinding
eager rose
And the current dot on you already counts as that mobs damage?
warm plinth
Yes
eager rose
Wow cool thanks
exotic spoke
I just need a good gore now from M+ and then I can just play the corruption RNG game from my normal m+ runs
Still need stuff from end of week cache / mythic raiding
eager rose
What's gore?
distant crystal
wcm trinket
eager rose
Ah ya
distant crystal
i'm spamming ML for shield
warm plinth
I'll spam you for a shield
eager rose
K I got that from last tier
distant crystal
demanding every ML key our guild gets
but i got blessed hard in heroic alt run
wrathion + socket vita
legs and a weap
eager rose
Why is vita so good for us
distant crystal
and then i got 475 crit/haste sword from cache this week
warm plinth
No
eager rose
If we already at soft cap?
distant crystal
with %haste corruption
warm plinth
Define soft cap
distant crystal
š¤¤
eager rose
Say I got like 23% base without into the fray
warm plinth
That's not a thing
exotic spoke
More haste more better
modern brook
stats stats stats stats stats stats stats ( to the rhythm of LMFAO's shots)
exotic spoke
(Without sacrificing Ilvl)
eager rose
Theres no dimish return on haste? I thought there was around 23%
warm plinth
The only time you'd ever need 23% haste is if you permanently had one stack of Into the Fray which is a situation that basically never happens.
modern brook
that too k too long to type out
warm plinth
23% base haste*
distant crystal
there is diminishing return as there is with all stats
just by the nature of things
but that's mostly for dps
near ivy
not really diminishing
exotic spoke
I like getting to 30+ haste without ITTF. Itās fun.
distant crystal
your dps is a cube and the sides are stats
near ivy
more just that one thing scales with another thing
exotic spoke
@distant crystal but itās more of a multi dimensional cube - not just 3D
distant crystal
edges* i should say
eager rose
I'm confused, at a certain point I think my sim changes from haste to crit
modern brook
they will
distant crystal
yeah it's actually a hypercube now :p
modern brook
thats literally what hes saying
like
AT some point haste will be less valuable than other stats due to diminishing returns
exotic spoke
@eager rose yes, that happens because itās dps oriented. Defensively more haste is better
modern brook
but there will never be a point where choosing a CERTAIN stat is more valuable than MORE of ANY stat
near ivy
a tesseract @distant crystal
modern brook
hence why our gearing is ilvl centric
exotic spoke
@near ivy is correct
modern brook
note: im 3000% positive theres corner cases where you'd drop ilvl
near ivy
thats also becuase of the existance of str/stam/armor @modern brook
eager rose
Ah k gotcha, so it's not because of diminishing returns it's because crit dps becomes more valuable
exotic spoke
Yes.
modern brook
which are: stats
near ivy
@eager rose if you have 40% stats to assign
distant crystal
all tesseracts are hypercubes
exotic spoke
And sims are only for offensive abilities
distant crystal
but not all hypercubes are tesseracts
distant crystal
š
near ivy
and increase dps by 1.2 * 1.2 = 1.44x
this is a very very simple example that takes basically nothing into consideration
and sim
near ivy
but it outlines how it works on a fundamental level
modern brook
yeah the concept is there
exotic spoke
Agree
near ivy
and that it isnt one stat "diminishing"
distant crystal
that's a solid eli5
modern brook
the numbers are bull but not the point
near ivy
more that one scales with the other
warm plinth
No, you're Bull
modern brook
fuck both of you
warm plinth
š
near ivy
no u
modern brook
yes you wont reach it
exotic spoke
Yes ^^
near ivy
100%
eager rose
Ah lol
near ivy
gcd caps at 0.75s
exotic spoke
You can hit it in heroism or procs but thatās it.
modern brook
Yeah but its still not worth gearing around
like u just want stats man
eat that shit up
exotic spoke
Wonāt it still give more CD reduction to shield block above that
modern brook
i believe so
craggy harness
also in minor visions of nzoth sometimes
exotic spoke
Yeah - which is huge
craggy harness
if you want to see what 300% haste is
eager rose
And how about our ability recharge benefiting from haste is there diminishing returns on that at some haste value? Or does it cap out?
modern brook
Unsure, i'd imagine its logarithmic in scale though
ie: soft caps
I'd also like to restress the point that while interesting thought projects, these questions will have little bearing on actual in game gearing decisions
eager rose
Hehe interesting
Well I'm always kinda torn to gear haste or crit when I'm around 23% haste
eager rose
Why did gash say I dont need 23% haste
warm plinth
Because you don't
eager rose
But I benefit from more haste?
modern brook
nor is it a number you stop at
although getting much past that without dropping ilvl is some weird loot rng ignore me i tihnk im misremembering the haste stat-> percent ratio
eager rose
It seems like your saying if I go over that gash it would be bad
warm plinth
That's not what I'm saying
undone sun
Misinterpreting what he's saying
You don't need a certain amount of haste, it's always good to have
No matter the%
modern brook
š hi thyme
undone sun
š
warm plinth
People reference 22-23% as a breakpoint of haste because it's around that point where you have enough haste with 1 stack of Into the Fray to get 3 casts of Shield Block back-to-back. But since the situations where you actually have only one stack of Into the Fray are almost nonexistent, it's not an actual number you need to care about. That's all I was saying.
eager rose
Ah gotcha, that makes sense ty
modern brook
Really quick
when the fuck did we lose inspiring* presence? why did it take me this long to notice?
brave vine
lmao
modern brook
but yeah hard agree really like the clap windows
I do miss that Battleshout to SSSpam though
i think it was t20
warm plinth
I forgot inspiring presence even existed tbh
brave vine
i have a question for yall. i never see it mentioned so i assume it's not great, but is the avoidant corruption good for m+?
modern brook
Avodiance is reduced AoE damage, not chance to dodge
brave vine
yeah
modern brook
with that in mind its definitely less damage taken
so if its all you got go with it
but is it good?
id disenchant without a second thought
brave vine
i mean, i have twilight dev 3
warm plinth
The reason it's not mentioned is because the situations where it's good are far less common in BFA than they were in Legion.
brave vine
gotcha. thats definitely true
warm plinth
In Legion, pretty much every dangerous mechanic with a few exceptions was affected by it. Now it's basically the reverse.
brave vine
i was feeling guilty cause i cleansed it off my gloves so they could be part of my raiding fury set
so, for m+ you really want dmg or haste buffs only then
eager rose
I really want that trinket from nyzoth, that our best tanking trinket defensively speaking?
Like a 80 or 90% reduce for 8 sec
1 min cs
Cd
eager rose
Ah. Nice
exotic spoke
I donāt even know what it does. I havenāt seen it drop yet soooo I donāt worry about it
But typically we have to go pretty defensive in high keys so itās potentially going to see use there
hallow phoenix
Pretty sure it's a 300k ignore pain at 80% absorb
warm plinth
It's a large damage reduction limited by an absorb on a 1 min CD
Yeah that's good way to put it. Is it really 300k though?
I haven't seen the numbers
warm plinth
It's like a triple stacked Legion IP š
exotic spoke
Could be good. How long does it last?
hallow phoenix
8 seconds or so
sonic tangle
hallow phoenix
You'd use it for stuff like spirit break or other big scary stuff
exotic spoke
Could be good. Currently face tanking spirit breaks and or kiting around fountains. Even with the LoS tricks not working he doesnāt like Fountains at all for some reason
Itās pretty funny
tame garden
š
ionic fern
Psychic Shell is decent.
strong forum
if it wasnt it wouldnt say it š
hallow phoenix
I think I can squeeze out a few hundred haste
brave vine
procs WAY more for me as prot
got vita shard, and 55% haste with into the fray at 5 stacks
brave vine
i like it a lot.
i like that it buffs my team as well as me
and when it lines up with the bootyclap window, oh mama
eager rose
Haha nice ty
brave vine
like 90% haste just rippin twilight devs and stupid clap dmg, stupid rage gen, avatar is like 70% off cd by the time i'm finished
brave vine
i think it does.
warm plinth
Yeah, easily
hallow phoenix
It sims Doo Doo for me
brave vine
also, outside of avatar it's just a huge survival boost when it procs
warm plinth
Overclock is probably the closest and that's like 1300 max. 445 vita is like 200 static and 1500 proc
vapid ibex
thoughts? https://gyazo.com/2bcda52e275c8b46bc2aa86e906f3b6e i tried simming last night but wasnt sure if EV nerf is on there already
brave vine
mine is 445 with a socket, too. almost as good as a baseline mythic one
warm plinth
EV nerf is on there as long as you choose the Nightly build
eager rose
Cool thanks all
ionic fern
Weekly is updated also @warm plinth
vapid ibex
which ones better to sim with? nightly or weekly?
warm plinth
I always sim with the nightly build but I don't really know the difference other than that one is updated every day and one is updated every week lol
vapid ibex
thats what i figured too lol but im curious why theres 2 different ones, whats the difference
tame garden
Nightly should be used for up to date sims
Weekly is there in case nightly is bugged
sick parcel
Iām at work right now and havenāt had a chance to run a M+ this week... Do the adds Bolster the Void bosses?
sick parcel
Ok good. Thatās one less Xanax Iāll have to take.
wooden radish
they aren't that bad tbh
sick parcel
Nah I was just thinking about Tank buster and some pug padding meters on the cysts and buffing him up.
warm plinth
Yeah tbh the only ones that should even be super risky about bolstering are the stalks and they're kickable and shit so there's really no dangerous ones. It's easy to kill the fear adds evenly
hallow phoenix
I just LoS them until they all port to roughly the same location
If I'm worried about DPS handling them
The trick is to bring a fire mage with combust up
surreal oak
hallow phoenix
What else do you have
The damage is nothing and the parry on demand isn't all that great tbh
sick parcel
I have the same bracers. And the sims tell me. To wear them for M+ because adds and stuff. and wear regular bracers for ST.
craggy harness
is warcraft logs "working as designed" when it considers wrathion targeting a searing breath at a dps to not be loss of threat, because there were no melee hits on him?
deft vessel
Quick sim question, to check if anything has changed, what's the best sim/most representative sim of M+ - hectic add cleave still? From a prot warrior's perspective that is.
or do you folks still sim both hectic add cleave and pathcwerk and decide on gearing choice with both in mind
warm plinth
Hectic add cleave is a poor representation of Mythic+. A more accurate sim for M+ AoE would be a multi-target Patchwerk
sick parcel
That what I do. I turn off blood lust and a lot of other buffs you wonāt have in M+. And set patchwork to 5 bosses and around 40 sec. thatās a rough trash pull. Itās not exact. But itās close.
plush prism
Hi guys, can I ask, is having just the first rank of Null Dynamo okay? I mainswitched and there's absolutely no fucking way I'm grinding Mechagon again
warm plinth
Yeah, not a bad idea to do a longer sim either tbh since you chain pull a lot, and sims that short can cause weird stuff to happen.
What content are you doing?
plush prism
I've tanked almost everything in H Ny'a
warm plinth
^ this. R1 is nothing. But unless you're trying to get like R1 parses it's not like you need it. And it's not needed for m+ even at R3
plush prism
What would better essences be to use that aren't rep grinds?
Minors that is, I obviously have Vision as my main
warm plinth
Conflict & Strife, Lucid Dreams, Sphere, Aegis, Formless Void
sharp night
aegis is rep too
warm plinth
I guess Aegis is a rep grind, nvm
wooden radish
Ya Pinky, Aegis is a rep grind
warm plinth
Thanks so much
peak lily
any thoughts about eng azerite head? no bastion on it so trash or? Just wondering if 480 eng head is better than 450 bastion IF
ruby nexus
480 engi is better
shut summit
Ye engi is fine
astral brook
ineffable truth yay or nay?
chilly brook
Super OT but anyone have any experience with the corsair h80i?
eager rose
Who says their isnt bastion on engi helm? @peak lily
Is there really no bastion on it lol?
strong forum
no there isnt
lucid pendant
It's TC trait right
eager rose
I'm getting my specs confused sry
lucid pendant
It's TC trait right
peak lily
it got thunder clap or bloodsport on first row
sharp night
does it specifically need to be the h80i @chilly brook i've got a h100
chilly brook
@sharp night yea I dont have the clearance for a 240mm and it's pretty hard to find thermal info on a ryzen 7 3700x running an h80i
sharp night
ah
chilly brook
sharp night
oh yeah i have a full tower lol
maiden ravine
so much hate for dps
I'm trying my freaking best to learn these higher keys
but as soon as it looks like we might only 1 chest a 13
the drop
it's stuff like that that makes me stop wanting to learn to tank
broken stratus
hey guys
how good is ineffable truth?
i can use ineffable truth + vers proc or td r3
if i dont use td, my damage is just dog shit
craggy harness
TD i'd say
take that dps and run
should have most of your cds avail when you need it anyway
broken stratus
valid point
maiden ravine
I'd use TD anywhere but Tol Dagor
broken stratus
the buff is inconsistent, cant control
peak lily
then second row got the one that procs health+mainstat or haste+ms
grand spruce
is ineffable truth any good for prot?
brisk rain
How much corruption is too much in m+?
sharp night
depends on you
ivory barn
reason behind running BV instead of Devastator in raids? Im seeing that on tank notes now
oblique garnet
undone sun
deva is for ST damage, bv is the other situations @ivory barn
maiden ravine
And lots of adds in nya
craggy harness
and some adds.
ivory barn
if im having issues survivng on a M Boss would it be due to that talent?
undone sun
it'd be a factor
ivory barn
I cant generate enough rage on Wrathoin to spam ignore pain on Mythic during the stacks
craggy harness
security like a blanket, not like fort knox ;p
brisk rain
Soo, 60 corruption is too much, right?
exotic spoke
Very likely yes
plush prism
what prof would you guys recommend? already did Eng as my first for the 480 helm
sterile mantle
any prot master available for voice chat have a theory craft and dont wana type it lol
empty locust
Possible to one tank Skitra on mythic?
sick sentinel
I donāt see how you could
Not to mention, why would you consider that
Thereās not a reason to
empty locust
Solo tanked it on heroic, was just curious if its possible on mythic
sick sentinel
Damage stacks up faster on mythic and itās easiest to have the tanks be the ones that mark the boss since they will always be in opposite realms
In theory you probably could solo tank it but there is 0 incentive to do so
torn gulch
I have a 12% versa and a 9% versa corrupted items are these stacking normally for 21% extra versa?
Because it looks like they override each other for some reason
warm plinth
What are the amounts of vers (rating) that you have with neither piece, 9% piece and 9 and 12% piece?
torn gulch
First item raises the value correctly but second does not do anything
i mean with raw values
i was planning in the future to stack leech corruption if i get them but it might not work
sick sentinel
I can not believe I am saying this
undone sun
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
Carry on soldier
torn gulch
Probably at the end of the xpac when i'll have up to 174 corruption budget
torn gulch
i feel like the clueless guy caught in the middle of something here
sick sentinel
This is long running business son
torn gulch
Fair enough then
exotic spoke
@ionic fern how is ineffable truth for us now that it works on abilities too? Hearing good things about it for other classes stacking it and curious if it procs enough to be worth toying around with when you get 2+
hazy marlin
Yo guys, why my details doesnāt show my spell reflection and how to make it show?
jovial saffron
since essences are not account bound yet, and my warr has a bit of a grind ahead of him for them what should i run as decent starter majors and minors?
torn gulch
Do not play alts and wait for shadowlands
maiden ravine
VoP is easy with m+
torn gulch
do a lot of queuewing for mechagon for vision of perfection
maiden ravine
Conflict and strife is the most annoying, but anyone can get 1400 rating
opaque cosmos
Starter for prot, thatās pretty easy to obtain would be vision from mech, Memory of Lucid from followers in Naz. And then either rep for aegis or rep for null dyn from rust bolt. Someone can correct if Iām wrong but my opinion for decent prot essences quick
left hatch
opaque cosmos
@exotic spoke Iām by no means a theory crafter, but for a casual I have 455 wrists with ineff truth on em and I can tell a significant change in speed of rotation using it in prot
torn gulch
Does that influence the shield block rotation?
3+last stand+3?
because that sounds interesting if you can get some extra block
undone sun
@hazy marlin https://wago.io/IwPukH70B
opaque cosmos
Iām not totally certain I feel like most of my abilities come up quicker but Iād love to log in a M+ to see my total uptime of Avatar/demo/shield block bc they feel significantly higher
torn gulch
interesting
currently if you have enough haste you can have 51 s of continuous blocking
will be nice if that can be made longer especially in long fortified fights
exotic spoke
@opaque cosmos I heard HPals where able to get a shock every gcd in wings with 2 ineffable truth
And yes ineffable is all CDs
torn gulch
@undone sun do you think it will be worth stacking leech corruption towards the end of the xpac?
undone sun
no
torn gulch
not even as a pepega build?
haughty forum
Is there a quick mod or weakaura that anyone knows of that can quickly tell me the levels of corruption in the party/raid without inspecting everyone.
undone sun
i really just don't see the point, regardless of reason. leech just doesn't have value for dps or tanks
torn gulch
what about versatility
undone sun
what about it
exotic spoke
% vers or the vers proc
exotic spoke
Why wouldnāt it work if you have a lot?
exotic spoke
I mean there would be better option ons if youāre going for a stat monster meme build
hallow phoenix
Haste
exotic spoke
Mastery or haste imo
hallow phoenix
Comes to mind
torn gulch
don't we have enough haste from triple bastion?
hallow phoenix
The mastery % one works with BoM right?
exotic spoke
Speaking on full meme build of course
hallow phoenix
That could be interesting
hallow phoenix
Enough mastery is 100% mastery
exotic spoke
I like more AP (in a meme build)
torn gulch
so what about dungeons with magic damage like shrine
hallow phoenix
Most magic damage is preventable
torn gulch
i want to play full versa there
exotic spoke
What do you do now? You have group interrupt them
torn gulch
say that to pugs not intrerupting
exotic spoke
Make a group
hallow phoenix
That's like saying "healers not healing" play with better players
torn gulch
and before you tell me to play with a certain group that is not possible because of various reasons
time related mostly
exotic spoke
Not saying play wi th a specific group