protection

[left hatch]

^ thats bascially how iv been playing

[deft socket]

Yeah i do that aswell. As long as you can keep uptime on mitigation on heavy aoe pulls

[ionic fern]

So..Avatar is what..72s CD with VoP?
Meaning that you'd need 720 rage to get it back up with AM..and that's 48 SS casts.

👀

[deft socket]

During that time though tou should be casting SB and IP

Ahh ibsee what your saying

[left hatch]

ignoring spending the rage

were assuming you don't cap

also TY mwahi for putting up with our stupid

and being a big brain for us

(:

[undone sun]

Ss only puts in rage now you gotta work out how much to take it out 😏

[analog zinc]

ooo 470 wep off carapace nice

[deft socket]

How is echoing void performing after the nerf?

[left hatch]

1/2 of w/e it was doing for you before

so worse in dungeons than TD

but still pretty high up

[deft socket]

Yeah, hoping tonget a td piece in my chest tonight

[tame garden]

The dream

[exotic spoke]

Good luck on your chest of disappointment

[sick sentinel]

Void Ritual doing any better? Got a pair of 470 socket pants, with VR3 on them in my chest. But also have TD1 bracers and Faralos heroic. Wasnt sure to cleanse the Faralos or just cleanse the VR pants

I got a haste mastery leech ring

ew

[exotic spoke]

Last I saw faralos wasn’t that good for prot

Leech corruption or just leech as a tertiary?

[sick sentinel]

both

[exotic spoke]

@sick sentinel not sure if sims are updated for Vr yet

I mean - sounds like a good corruption filler if you don’t have other better options / worst case - cleanse and use if you don’t have Same Ilvl rings

[zenith vigil]

echoing void still worth it boys?

got a tier 2 piece

[analog zinc]

even tho i went from 3.2% ev to 1.4%

most of my parses looks like they went up

at least dps wise

interesting

[sick sentinel]

Okay, I know raidbots says its updated for Feb 11 corruption changes, but says i should just run with the 80 corruption lol.

[exotic spoke]

Sim wise you mean city?

[analog zinc]

no

as in

my dps last week with buffed ev

is about as good as my dps now with nerfed

[exotic spoke]

If you mean actual parses that you’ve done - parses don’t really mean shit right now.

[analog zinc]

although

i cant remember if i had 3.2% or 1.2% last week lmfao

[exotic spoke]

And if the rest of your runs dps increased then yours will too

[analog zinc]

when i cleared heroic

[ionic fern]

Anyways, to end the SS/TC talk..it's not like you have both off the CD at the same time all the time. 🤷 More often than not their CD's are out of sync in m+ situation so you can use both of them "on CD".

[analog zinc]

i mean

clap -> deva/revenge -> proc SS
wat do

that's a common occurance, its good to ask these things

ok yeah last week i just had the 1.2% EV

& my damage went up this week when I have 1.4%

[ionic fern]

Oh, definetly ask questions - that's always good. :)
We can just give you "theoretical" answers right now.
M+ depends on just so many different things - how big are your pulls - how long is the overall duration of the dungeon - how much downtime you have between packs etc.

[sleek bridge]

New to BFA prot, dps is fine but wondering about survival -> is maintaining shield block priority 1 (except when being hit by strictly magic dmg) when tanking M+?

[exotic spoke]

I'd also throw in other considerations I just thought of and started typing out but deleted. How many TCs have you had in this Avatar / Demo window? Whats your rage looking like?

[ionic fern]

I'm fairly certain that in general you won't see a big difference in a "normal" m+ dungeon (30+minutes) damage if you actively try to prioritize SS or TC over one another. :)@analog zinc

[exotic spoke]

yes MadGoat, Shield block, and Last stand (with bolster) are the priority for blockable damage.

If you are looking at logs / reports (some people new to a class do that a lot and misinterpret things - its why I bring this up) do not look at Shield Block up time. Instead look at Blocked hits.

[sleek bridge]

Nah not really even worried about logs, just wanted to make sure I'm prioritizing correctly so I'm not awful on my healer

thanks a heap Riki

[torn knoll]

question 470 weapon w/ VR or 460 wraithon sword

[analog zinc]

on my dh 😮

[tame garden]

Your luck is actually insane

[exotic spoke]

Like

Do you have a horseshoe up your ass?

[analog zinc]

my dh has been giga unluck up to now

this is my first good corruption, so happy

[tame garden]

Your overall luck

Is retarded

[exotic spoke]

Your overall luck, like speg said, is stupid good.

[analog zinc]

🙂

[tame garden]

Game is so shit rn

Smh

[analog zinc]

wait

clockwork heart

[exotic spoke]

I've done 70 or so M+14 or higher plus all the other things and have gotten +overall crit to shield, IS T3 ring, 430 T2 TD bracers, and now 475 VR bracers.

[analog zinc]

does that require you to have cyclo trinket equipped

cuz i just got this out of a gamble

nvm didnt read tooltip thought it was something else

[glad ridge]

so TD is king in mythic pus?

[broken stratus]

@exotic spoke, so what would be a good level of block hit?

[glad ridge]

hope they dont nerf it....

[analog zinc]

they will'

[broken stratus]

my t3 TD is doing more damage than clap

[tame garden]

Td should be next nerf

And then it's mostly balanced

[exotic spoke]

Literally as high as you can do it Troll.

Y'all saw nothing

[glad ridge]

i guess i will keep all corrupted gear.....wack

[exotic spoke]

Also Troll, I havent logged M+ really so its hard to say. It depends a lot on a bunch of thigns so its hard to quantify without knowing more.

[broken stratus]

i see, thanks

[deft vessel]

a bit lost on trinkets, again, would you guys use the big red button at all as a prot war?

I really dislike it, but I... don't have much better lol

using a 460 wrathion trinket and a 460 button

[marsh silo]

475 vers mastery gloves with vers proc sick dude

[random urchin]

I mean, if you have nothing else go ahead and use the button. I’d try to get rid of it asap though.

[vestal edge]

is there any chance that this might be better on a fight where infinite stars kinda sucks or should i just stick with a 460 flame breath sword

[exotic spoke]

Yes, overall its probably better for just about everythin

Maybe not dps on some fights but in general, defensively especially, it will be solid

[final mist]

The only fights I’d use the IS one on would be pure ST fights

Like Shad

[exotic spoke]

Pretty much

[old monolith]

So I don't raid much and whenever I buy head or chest AZ pieces they never have bastion or crash.....should i just uninstall and delete my toon? Or can I live with brace for impact, bloodsport, & iron fortress...

[strong forum]

Yes you can live with that

Sure it sucks

But you're still better off than vdh/bdk

Their traits literally make 0 difference

And our class traits are better than generic ones, whereas they are better off not picking their class traits at all

[ionic fern]

@final mist 👋

[final mist]

👋

[analog zinc]

hey DH has some good 1-of class traits

cycle of binding gives us CDR on our utility, essence sever procs for a burst of extra souls, hour of reaping gives us a shield every little bit

[vestal edge]

well i find the r3 infinite stars still really good on light add fights like raden and stuff. got like 45-50 k on raden on two seperate pulls last night

[strong forum]

Sure, but they aren't NEARLY as strong as Warri traits

[vestal edge]

but as far as pure damage will IS still be better?

[strong forum]

IS is a great raid corruption yes

[analog zinc]

i dunno about that nome

its great on a couple fights

bad on most

[strong forum]

Its undoubtedly a good raid corruption

You cannot deny that, and hivemind is literally whatever

Carapace sure, but besides that

Still useful

[final mist]

I wouldn’t use it on most of the mythic fights, too many chances for it to not proc on the same target consistently

[tame garden]

Idk

[final mist]

Get more mileage out of other corrupts

[strong forum]

I'm not saying it's the best

I'm saying its good.

[analog zinc]

awful on drest, probably ok on ilg for late in the fight dmg, vexiona fine if MT, bad for both n'zoths

[tame garden]

IS isnt bad on nzoth

At least mythic

[strong forum]

Mythic nzoth is fucking long, you'll have plenty of time to stack it

[analog zinc]

yea thats fair

[strong forum]

HC is literally whatever

Everything is just one shot if your group isn't pepega

[vestal edge]

i mean i feel like drest tank damage is kinda pointless anyway since dps are usually taking the orbs

[analog zinc]

^

leech boss

[strong forum]

Drest is just weird

But downing tentacles is still relevant

So tank dmg is still smth

[analog zinc]

IS wont really help with that

too inconsistant

run EV for drest

[tame garden]

Hard to get in much damage to tentacles tho

Actual aids boss to tank

[analog zinc]

crucible & cyclo

[strong forum]

bruh stop putting words into my mouth

actually pissing me off

[analog zinc]

but realistically if i find a guild i'd prob just go veng & full turtle that fight

[tame garden]

I would kms tanking that boss as war

At least as bear I can moonfire everything

[strong forum]

idk i was arms

and just attacked random things

seemed to do the trick 🤷‍♂️

[tame garden]

Stuck in melee of the boss tho as tank

For most of the time

Or running around with debuff

[unkempt seal]

does anyone know average uptime of surging vitality corruption?

[analog zinc]

vers yea? Apparently 50%?

[unkempt seal]

is it similar uptime for fury/arms as well?

its the taking damage has a chance to proc 801 versatility

[warm plinth]

Can someone paraphrase the juicy convo I had to leave about TC vs SS

[prisma crane]

well you're gonna be taking dmg more often as a tank, but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

TC > SS in aoe

for dps

[tame garden]

It wasnt very juicy

Mwahi rolled his eyes at us then simmed it and showed TC wins

[warm plinth]

Super shocked that that's the case 😂

[tame garden]

[prisma crane]

bloodmallet updated with the EV changes?

[warm plinth]

Not sure about bloodmallets but sims are updated in the nightly build

On raidbots*

[prisma crane]

says 15h which feels right on the cusp to be curious lol

er, 18 hours now

[warm plinth]

18 hours of what

[prisma crane]

since bloodmallet was last updated

for prot*

[warm plinth]

It's saying last updated 1 day 12 hours ago for me

Reset was only 5 3/4 hours ago and I doubt they'd have adjusted it ahead of time

[prisma crane]

i mean it's just a 50% value on EV for sims

[warm plinth]

Oh didn't realize the different sections had different update times. Mine is 18 hours as well.

The tooltip for EV on that site still says 2% though for R3

[prisma crane]

yea, dps classes are typically faster

yea i saw that

tbh 50% seems excessive

esp after the previous 20% nerf

40% of what it was

as if blizzard couldnt have seen that coming ages before released

i dont even have it atm and i'm annoyed by that change

[warm plinth]

I'm just curious why EV is nerfed but TD was a "maybe we'll nerf it"

Like I'm not sure what the logic is there

[prisma crane]

TD is so random

it's definitely good on extended situations, but it's really annoying sometimes

and like i've said before, being able to completely miss is really FeelsBadMan

[warm plinth]

Yeah but TD is the one that's responsible for like 1 mil burst from tanks on trash packs and it has always done more overall damage afaik. And it doesn't miss often enough for that to really be a factor imo.

I have it and I can probably count on one hand the number of times it has actually missed when I was trying to DPS

[prisma crane]

it's also tied for the most expensive corruption

as dps sure, but for a tank i strafe all the time

[deft vessel]

ok, i have my first decision to make in regards to corruption

it's a pretty meh one

[warm plinth]

Yeah but R3 is still far and above everything else on DPS per corruption on AoE

[prisma crane]

and TC doesnt care which way i face so if it procs off of TC while strafing it just goes 90 degrees off to nowhere

[deft vessel]

I have a 445 ring with Racing Pulse 2, and 465 wrists with Racing Pulse 1, I'm more inclined to purge the ring, and go for a higher ilvl one, does this make sense at all?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it could be different for tanks. I main havoc so it's probably a different perspective.

What is racing pulse? The 4 second haste proc?

[deft vessel]

(the only reason why I mention those two is because my other corruptions are gushing wound and searing flames and severe)

yeah, 4s haste proc

7s for rank 2 i think nvm it's 4s proc

[prisma crane]

i mean i'm not sitting here saying that TD isnt fantastic, i'm just pleading my case for them to actually keep it

[full crane]

What i should use?

[warm plinth]

Oh I would not be upset if they kept it. I was just kinda wondering out loud what their reasoning actually is

[deft vessel]

rezan and dragonscale @full crane

[prisma crane]

plus you have to point in a good direction to min max it rather than just stand still

[warm plinth]

The 2 on the left

Platinum Plating is worse than

[deft vessel]

yep

[full crane]

WHY I GOT THAT SHIT OMG...................

[deft vessel]

but yeah, the question I guess is, do I keep rank 2 corruption but lower ilvl piece, or rank 1 corruption but higher ilvl piece

higher chacne I'll swap the low ilvl piece

[prisma crane]

sim it if you're concerned about dmg

but i'd just use the 465 and keep the 445 in case it matters

chances are if they're super close i'd take the ilvl for obvious reasons

[deft vessel]

the proc is kidn fo meh regardless

the rank 2 is 728 haste for 4s

[prisma crane]

keep ilvl, keep corruption unless you need it for something else

and keep 445 in bank in case blizzard decides to do more sweeping balance changes

[deft vessel]

thing is I can't replace these

the issue is I'm over 40 corruption, which is nogo on tank I think

[hushed cobalt]

Good to know about not cleansing (hope y'all still chatting about racing pulse) as I have 2 pieces with rank3

[deft vessel]

yeah, racing pulse

[hushed cobalt]

OP+racing pulse+MS all together is a dream

[prisma crane]

you can go over 40 it's just annoying

easier in raids imo

but that fucker is fast

[deft vessel]

yeah, I dunno, not a big fan, just ran maut heroic with it and it was kind of eeeeeh

other tank was new too so mobs/boss were all over the place

and me having to move extra did not help

[prisma crane]

the eye isnt that bad

[deft vessel]

eye I'm fine with

[analog zinc]

over 40 is absolutely fine for pwar

[prisma crane]

avoid when it's convenient

[analog zinc]

the only issues are Spell Reflect bosses

aka bosses where you have to commit your SR to fight mechanics instead of using it to deal with 90% of the TFBs

if multiple TFBs spawn you have storm bolt / shockwave & shield wall as a last resort

[prisma crane]

you can reflect the TFB hit? good to know

[analog zinc]

if you reflect it you take no dmg & it v anishes

[prisma crane]

nice so a true reflect and not just a deflect

[analog zinc]

spell reflect's CD is lower than the rppm of TFB spawning

so chances are that you'll be able to deal with the majority of them with just SR

in raid bosses

i'd prob drop it for wrathion ilgynoth & probably carapace (if you rely on SR to reset stacks early)

n'zoth maybe

[deft vessel]

oh noted, I did not realize i can spell reflect the thing from beyond

[analog zinc]

since i like to commit all my SRs to avoid puddle stacks in p3

[unkempt seal]

bloodrite or bloodsport in m+?

[analog zinc]

bloodrite

bloodsport is 100% useless below like 16+ keys

& even on high keys its worse than other defensive traits like Iron fortress or BFI

[unkempt seal]

also is it worth dropping 2 x BoM for 30 ilvl gain on healm and 25 on chest?

[analog zinc]

probably

[prisma crane]

yea particularly with how much HP you'll gain doing that

if you have EV or TD

[inland mesa]

I got a big red button, while my monk got a IS 3 bracer 😦

[analog zinc]

i got t1 ev bad mecha ring while my dh got t3 TD belt

[hybrid basin]

its worth to drop a 450 Bastion for ingi hel 470 or?

[prisma crane]

probably

[hybrid basin]

i will still have 2 times bastion so i guess its worth

[craggy harness]

oh. right. EV got halved

can you IS thing from beyond?

nm, i'll go into the woods and check

[limpid pawn]

is this effect good for prot

seems like ultra haste for 10 seconds, but good?

[maiden ravine]

So EV3 will still be good for tanking, just not brokenly OP.

[prisma crane]

@limpid pawn takes 10 sec off all of your CDs when it procs over the course of 10 sec.

it's pretty solid

[frail oar]

Is Searing Flames that good ? Because for me a 445 Faralos is simming higher than a 455 Sharkbait fishhook with no corruption but a gem. Which I find strange

[prisma crane]

it's not bad, it's like 5% of your dmg

[limpid pawn]

i think in the future when we have more corruption resistance, we will be wearing a lot of random ass corrupted gear

just because we can and it's better than not utulizing all of the resistance we have

so I am not going to be cleansing shit

and I think really nobody else should either lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm with you on that brollikk. Unless it's something I know has no benefit for me on the spec I'm playing, I'm not cleansing anything

[grand drum]

Max cloak will be 75 resist

[limpid pawn]

nah, 125 resist i heard

and constantly still going up each week

that means you can wear like 164 corruption without even getting thing from beyond

[warm plinth]

Rank 15 cloak will be 50 resistance, and then it increases by 3 each week after that (but no rank increase)

[haughty forum]

I just figure I want to be the best tank I can be today and not worry too much about what kind of gear I could theoretically equip in June if I'm still playing.

So I cleanse everything I want to wear if I don't want it now.

[limpid pawn]

i'm thinking more long term

[warm plinth]

Yeah I mean, there's nothing that says you can't. I think it's a personal preference thing

[limpid pawn]

when we are aiming for CE and some mythic reclears

[haughty forum]

Oh, for sure. It's not a right/wrong thing.

[limpid pawn]

I wanna be P U M P I N G

[warm plinth]

If you're more comfortable cleansing and using your stuff, that's totally an option

[limpid pawn]

im 472 right now

[warm plinth]

And like, I main a DH

[limpid pawn]

i think I have the highest ilevel in my guild

[warm plinth]

So if it's something like a mastery proc or some shit

I'm cleansing that

[haughty forum]

I got a 470 mace first week but had EVx2 in armor slots. I wasn't going to let a sparkly new 470 mace sit in my bank til March.

[warm plinth]

Because it's garbage

[haughty forum]

I have EVx3 and a mastery proc belt... Was great options yesterday. 50% as good today.. 😦

[warm plinth]

XD

EV is still solid though

[haughty forum]

yeah, but lower ilvl in all those pieces. I equipped all my best ilvl stuff and went with only the mastery proc in an AD8 test run and my dps felt puny. So I'll change it up before my next run again.

[terse dragon]

How does EV feel for you guys?

[warm plinth]

Approximately 50% as good as it was yesterday 🙂

[haughty forum]

Like I had a favorite toy and blizzard smashed it right in front of me.

[terse dragon]

Still worth using ? Or you guys might swap to TD?

[warm plinth]

TD was already better for M+. It'll be better on ST now as well most likely.

[prisma crane]

not per corruption though

[limpid pawn]

EV is better damage per corruption still?

[prisma crane]

ST

and it's more consistent

TD is still prob preferable now though

[limpid pawn]

shiet

what about mind flay tentacles

[maiden ravine]

my fury sims is still using EV2 over TD2

[limpid pawn]

i have r3 mind flay but on 430 boots

[maiden ravine]

gear compare*

[prisma crane]

r3 tentacles on a 430 isnt great plus it's also ST only

[maiden ravine]

alright, now simming tank dps

td2 gloves and nothing else

oh well

[maiden ravine]

I'm torn on tanking this week

[ember kestrel]

Clockwork Heart vs Callous Reprisal?

[maiden ravine]

I wanna pull big with non-fort bolster/explosive, but do I trust dps to kill explosives

[modern brook]

U kill explosives

Get that nice rush of being a team player to ensure ur victory aneurysm from ur dps being monkeys again

[warm plinth]

Clockwork Heart vs Callous Reprisal?
@ember kestrel Clockwork Heart

Have they fixed that yet Bull? Explosives haven't been triggering VR in a long time

[modern brook]

Not like u need to target thunder clap anyways

Oh dang idk I play rogue dude

My b

[warm plinth]

We saw a GM response that it was a bug but I have not read anything that says they've fixed it yet. And it's been tested the last couple times and found to still be broken.

[haughty forum]

I heard Gobbamack in Junkyard is purified cancer with explosives.

[warm plinth]

Oh god, the gunkers spawn explosives? 😱

[modern brook]

Prolly a similar oversight to ur

Expect a hot fix for it

[haughty forum]

A friend told me to avoid it because they do. Sounds like a great spot for a hotfix.

[warm plinth]

Yeah for real. You should submit a bug report.

[maiden ravine]

ooof

junkyard is my favorite right now though... that sucks

hopefully it's fast

[urban briar]

heed my call, unstable flames or ablative shielding?

[warm plinth]

Unstable Flames

[urban briar]

cheers

[prisma crane]

they only push out quick hotfixes if too much fun is being had

the explosives bug is very not fun, so they have time on it

[cerulean oxide]

gamble to replace chest or helm?

[red dock]

avoidance increased by haste is trash, yeah?

[cerulean oxide]

shoulders are BOM/tradewinds

[warm plinth]

avoidance increased by haste is trash, yeah?
@red dock Yeah, it's not good

[red dock]

ty

[warm plinth]

gamble to replace chest or helm?
@cerulean oxide If you're okay with heartbreak, you can do helm. But if you don't have another place to get DC and get unlucky, you're gonna have to keep using the 450 for a while.

[cerulean oxide]

agreed, seems like there's no good outcome here

its just pure luck

3 out of the 6 helms i'd gamble for has reasonable traits

so 50% chance of being unhappy, sounds great.

did it - got a DC/Incite piece

not bad

[warm plinth]

Could be worse haha

[cerulean oxide]

actually its the same helm as in the pic

helm of the raptor king

so just a straight ilvl upgrade - yep, could be way worse

[warm plinth]

Just out of curiosity, what's the other option besides Incite on that one?

[cerulean oxide]

bloodsport

[warm plinth]

Ah

[cerulean oxide]

yeah...

[sick sentinel]

well men

still no shield

[tame garden]

I got socket sword

[dry kayak]

Consensus on servant splitter? Got an aight socketed one from cache and was wondering how good the prof on it really is.

Proc*

[elder berry]

I got a fusion hacker with 9% crit from all resources in my chest this week. Is that one of the better dmg weapons despite the lack of secondary stats?

[prisma crane]

@dry kayak best ST weapon you can have

[hallow phoenix]

RIP dreams end

Served us well

[craggy harness]

hmm, i semi regret the option of formless void

now i'm confused

*self reads

[hushed cobalt]

how is the vers on damage corruption for m+, and uptime? just another dismal corrupted item :\

[craggy harness]

for damage, i'm about to sim, but is formless void rank 1 better than CnS r2/3 for survivability?

or is it only nice with r3 haste

[urban briar]

would u break 3 BOM for a 20ilvl upgrade to helm for engi helm?

[jolly coral]

What are the best option on essences for M+ and raid?

[daring marlin]

would u break 3 BOM for a 20ilvl upgrade to helm for engi helm?
@urban briar 100% yes

[urban briar]

really? zorry i read over the guides just wasnt sure

which traits would u pick?

[left hatch]

Risen - no. CnS is our strongest major full stop

if you need corruption swap it in in place of like sphere or lucid

and Krommush the gist is as follows
Raid def - VoP major, Null, CnS, Lucid minors
Raid dps - CoF major, Null, CnS, VoP minors
M+ general use - VoP major, CnS, Lucid, Sphere minors

[iron raptor]

What you guys running for M+ trinks

[left hatch]

some combo of Wrathion, Rezan, Vita and Block

[hallow phoenix]

Dragonscale and rezan/urchin

[craggy harness]

okay, wowhead guide is promoting corruption trink in the default choice, but i guess part of that is easy mode does not involve getting CnS

thanks

[hallow phoenix]

I don't have Vita or block yet tho

[iron raptor]

So no edicts eh?

[hallow phoenix]

My edicts is only 435 and I can't justify it

[left hatch]

its good but unless you have 445/455 one

itll get replaced

[hallow phoenix]

I know some people still use it

[iron raptor]

nah i'm running a 4turdy

[hallow phoenix]

Replace

[iron raptor]

opinion on sporepods?

[left hatch]

[iron raptor]

w/socket. 460

[hallow phoenix]

PvP trinket

[left hatch]

^ outside of that its one of the 3 worst trinkets in the game

[iron raptor]

well... I'm glad I came here hides sporepods trinket

[left hatch]

could be worse someone got the Plating trink from MEcha earlier

which IS the worst trink in the game

(:

[craggy harness]

give it to me

so i can get the trifecta

[iron raptor]

thanks for the help guys

[ivory barn]

the stats for the haste/vers would be better defensivly right?

[warm plinth]

Eh, probably not a big enough difference for it to matter. I'd just use the 475s and macro them to something

[regal saddle]

In m+ should I have high corruption ?

[left hatch]

39 is easily managable

59 is doable with smart play

[round vortex]

Hey team - has anyone played with the main hand from Waycrest with the bleed on it instead of main stats.
Is the damage anything noticable ST?

[left hatch]

last time i got it it was better for ST dps compared to even something 5 ilvls higher

but id sim to double check

[round vortex]

I just looked on blood mallet as well for our best DPS traits and it seems pretty incorrect? or have i missed something since last tier lol
Maybe because all the versa traits boost corruption damage?

[left hatch]

whats wrong about the traits in bloodmallet?

[round vortex]

This is the order. All of the top parses on WCL were using rezans fury last tier and BFI

[left hatch]

a lot of those you can't get at a decent ilvl because they were f rom the warfront

and in other cases you have toconsider the rest of the piece, not just individual traits

sims also vary based on your individual statline/trinkets etc

so

its more of a rough guideline there, but that doesn't mean its wrong

just need to consider context

[round vortex]

yeah of course. I Just didn't know they were that powerful in 8.3 of course.
luckily I have an endless hunger 465 piece atm

[craggy harness]

textbook casual heroic wrathion guild kill

both tanks just wait out last set of all pillars and blow cds to kill it last man standing

smh

and wrath still drops nothing

[hallow phoenix]

Does vita-charged trinket undersim or something? 445 inkpod is beating the crap out of it in sims

460 vita-charged

[empty locust]

Has anyone tried stacking a few bits of + vers % corrupted gear? i'm kind of curious to see how high it could get and at what point it would start to provide more damage than say a EV or IS. Just curious to see if a case could be made to stack it.

[sharp night]

it will never outperform a damage corruption because the gain/corruption is lower

[warm plinth]

The issue with something like % vers gear is that it greatly depends on how much of the stat you have to begin with. That's why typically it's only good if you get a % corruption for a stat your class already gets a ton of.

And yeah, it's very unlikely to ever outperform a straight damage corruption, even if you had it stacked really high.

[sharp night]

it simply can't because per point of corruption the damage corruptions will always be better

so even if you stacked it to unreasonable levels you'd be better off stacking the damage ones instead

[warm plinth]

Like if I have 15% vers corruption but I only have 500 vers, that's only 75 vers, which isn't even 1%

[empty locust]

Only reason it crossed my mind is that with my raid setup i've got 12% base and could get maybe 15 without losing much ilvl

Some of the essences have some nice vers procs also

[warm plinth]

Yeah, even with relatively high vers (especially vers tbh, since it's such a high rating per %), you're not likely to get much out of even a large amount of % vers corruption.

[lunar jackal]

are urchin and edicts still worth using in high keys?

or should i go vita if i get one

[unkempt seal]

is 475 sigil of warding any good?

[left hatch]

not amazing

if you need the absorb to survive specific tank busters and know where yo'ull use it its decent

but if don't need it to survive those mechanics, or are just holding it as an 'oh shit' you get more value out of something like Vita or Wrathion

[maiden ravine]

okay, so I can full clear org as prot but it's harder

[warm plinth]

Wait, harder than what

[sick sentinel]

i am SHIELDED

[pallid berry]

is vita charged titanshard better then wraith trinket?

it seems so, but dunno if its better with the void thing or better alone

[left hatch]

its better alone

its the best haste trinket

[pallid berry]

figured

is the void bonus with it better then 475 alch trinket

[left hatch]

ehhhh

void is basically a dead trinket

and iv heard mixed things about the set bonus

personally id go with alch but

thats 100% feelycraft

[maiden ravine]

harder than fury

[lunar jackal]

so should vita be equipped over urchin/edicts (im talking about keys)?

[left hatch]

if your urchin/edict is 445+ ehhh

if its only a 430 vita is better

[pallid berry]

so is there a haste cap realistically? cause i got a corruption thats worse haste normally but when my trinkets pop i goto like 98% haste

is there a point where i dont want it, or am i now sink or swim crack time

[left hatch]

that 98% is fine

when you sit at 100% regularly thats when it drops off offensively cause GCD stops scaling

[pallid berry]

altho its not that much lower i think its because i got to 98% and then it drops back down

[left hatch]

and 140% is the dropoff for def cause you can sit in 100% SB

[pallid berry]

to a bit lower then normally i have it

[elder berry]

I understand that Vita and the wrathion trink are good for M+, what are a couple other substitutes?

[left hatch]

Butchers Block and Rezan

those are the 4 best general use trinks

[elder berry]

got ya

thanks

[left hatch]

np

[haughty forum]

Butcher's block over Jes's Howler? I though crit was a lower priority? I must not have looked in a long time.

[left hatch]

crit is second best in M+ right behind haste

and jes is... pretty mediocre

[grand flame]

Wanted to share my 3 mask run was pretty proud of it

[reef tendon]

5/7

[near ivy]

#promotion

[reef tendon]

seemed more like a "hey, look what i did" and less of a come watch my stream thing

[grand flame]

Sry thought prot bros would think it was cool prot gameplay

[warm plinth]

I mean, yeah, we've had people post it in here before. If mods don't care and they're not bothering anyone, then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grand flame]

Thought I had seen some before is why i posted

[sick sentinel]

Howdy, i have a quick question about corruptions for Prot, between TD 1/EV 1/ And the LFR sword from Wrathion do i just push for higher resistance or should i cleanse one of the three? And if so, which one.

[left hatch]

wait till tomorrowish for raidbots to update and sim it

you can roll 2/3 of them without any issues

[jovial saffron]

i checked out the faq section but didn't see anything, whats a good uptime on shield block and ignore pain in m+ i just started playing warr

[left hatch]

looking at uptime is a bad metric

if you'reconcerned sim your M+ runs and look at % hits blocked

[sick sentinel]

uptime vs effective uptime

also thanks morrison

[jovial saffron]

how do i find or look in to that metric @sick sentinel

[left hatch]

and uptime of ignore pain isn't something you can really track... cause higher content = less uptime cause IP gets consumed faster

[sick sentinel]

Just like Morrison said, look at % hits blocked

[left hatch]

as long as you arn't overcapping IP or rage

you'll be fine as far as thats concerned

[jovial saffron]

i feel like somtimes i don't have sheild block when i need it

[marsh silo]

how good is void twisted titanshard

[jovial saffron]

and i get a bit scared when i don't have ip or shield block up

[left hatch]

void twisted is complete garbage

[jovial saffron]

so i might be over using them inappropretly

[left hatch]

thats what you use with Last stand

with bolster its essentially a free shield block

to fill in gaps while the charges recharge

[sick sentinel]

Bolster stronk

[lapis topaz]

How crummy is the Sigil of Warding trinket from Maut?

[left hatch]

it has its niche

if you absolutely NEED the absorb to survive a burst mechanic/tank buster

and know yo'ull consistently use it and would die w/o it

then its fine

but if you don't or are holding it as an Oh shit button youll get more outta something else

[sick sentinel]

Can we post sims in this channel btw

[marsh silo]

@left hatch void -twisted titanshard better than 460 dragonscale and 465 briny? for m+ or raid

[left hatch]

neither

void-twisted is never worth using alone, and even with the set bonus in raid its arguable

[lapis topaz]

TY @left hatch

[left hatch]

its also just flat out inferior to the Nzoth trinket too for the purpose it serves

[lapis topaz]

so far I have a 460 wrathion trink and 430 blood urchin

so sticking with those I guess

[left hatch]

yeh

those are really strong

get a heroic quality rezan, butchers block or Vita off raden

and yo'ure set

[lapis topaz]

I have a 435 edicts, but the urchin seems more all around with magic in nyalotha

[left hatch]

urchin is better than edicts yah

[warm plinth]

FYI Raidbots is already updated for the corruption changes; just use the Nightly build

[sick sentinel]

oh, thanks a ton Ghash

should i be simming top gear for the 3 corruptions or something else

[tired cove]

Is it possible to macro the engi belt enchant to another ability and what would be a good ?

[lean flame]

460 wrathion trinket or 475 rezans?

[maiden ravine]

I thought last week was easy, but this week may be even easier affixes

[marsh silo]

infinite stars really only worth it in raid correct?

[ionic fern]

You can sim it @marsh silo and compare to your other options.
E.g sim it with 2 targets, then 3 etc and see where it starts falling off.
In general it should be used in pure ST fights yes.

[marsh silo]

tyty

[hallow phoenix]

One of our tanks had to stop raiding so I'm back to maining prot 😄

[jovial saffron]

so i just logged a m+ run i did where do i look for effective blocks taken

[royal rune]

3 Bastion of Might is good yeah?

[hallow phoenix]

yes

[ionic fern]

@hallow phoenix welcome back.
@jovial saffron Damage taken - hover over the "Amount" bar next to your name or for more details click on yourself and then hover over "Melee" "Amount" bar for example.

[royal rune]

Bloodsport or heart of darkness ?

[ionic fern]

HoD.

[hallow phoenix]

Wasnt able to nab wrathion weapon to turn on heart of darkness today 😦

one day tho i'll have high corruption

[patent bone]

got this in the chest today.. i'm thinking purify?

[hallow phoenix]

Do you need to purify it?

8 corruption is very smol

[patent bone]

yeah true

[hallow phoenix]

I wouldnt purify unless youre unable to maintain a setup you really want

If it was something good I wouldnt purify it at all

[patent bone]

is this good though? avoidance affects aoe right?

[hallow phoenix]

its not great

not a whole lot of dangerous aoe anymore

[warm plinth]

Anything AoE or potentially aoE

e.g. cleave abilities, even if they only hit you, would be affected by avoidance

[hallow phoenix]

wrathion breaths

i guess

Does avoidance cap at 20% btw?

[warm plinth]

yeah

[hallow phoenix]

wondering if an avoidance set on wrath would be worth dropping like 10 ilvls for

breath is the only thing that fucks me

I actually think i can restore one or two of those avoidance pieces

[patent bone]

i got a TD rank 3 ring today but its 75 corruption lol so was trying to see what else i could minimize but yea 8 corruption doesn't make a difference at all

[sharp night]

it only matters if it brings you to a threshold pretty much

[hallow phoenix]

man up and run 59

[jovial saffron]

@ionic fern so i did that and it says 40% blocked melee hits is that good?

[sharp night]

40% sounds awfully low

[jovial saffron]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hfAkjrwLqdMT3N8p/#fight=last

im pretty new to prot warr, if you could take a look and let me know what i could be doing a bit better.

[jovial saffron]

fairly super low key

[ionic fern]

56.17

[warm plinth]

Anyone know what additional madnesses are active in Org this week with the Pained mask?

[jovial saffron]

oh ok i wasn't actually hovering over the hits category. so is my 56.17 better?

[ionic fern]

better than 40%? Yes.
in general 56.17>40

😂

[sharp night]

it's not quite where you want to be

if that's what you meant

[ionic fern]

I haven't logged a AD so i can't compare to myself but

[jovial saffron]

LOL i get that, but where do i want to be

lol

[ionic fern]

Here's a SoB 16 i did yesterday

[jovial saffron]

oh wow thats considerably better

so i'm wondering what i'm doing wrong then, is it shitty timinig with mob swings or abilites?

[ionic fern]

And i played that SoB like poop.

[warm plinth]

Like always

[ionic fern]

You can hover around 75-80%

[warm plinth]

😏

[ionic fern]

If played decently.

[sharp night]

use abilities in the right order

and face mobs

[ionic fern]

Ofc @warm plinth .
I just wanted to enjoy the last night with my EV. 😦

[warm plinth]

😦

[ionic fern]

Now i just need 1 more dungeon and i've actually done every dungeon this season.

<- slow af.

👀

[warm plinth]

Should I try to 2 mask clear without knowing what the additional madnesses are

If it's leaden foot I might hurt myself

[ionic fern]

Ofc

Man up.

[warm plinth]

I hate that madness so much

[grand flame]

Its not leaden foot

Fire feet and bugs. Fear and disorient circle.

[warm plinth]

Look at this guy

The real MVP

Fear with split personality sounds a little spicy but shouldn't be too bad

[grand flame]

Nah wasnt spicy at all. Didnt really notice it much. If you get caugh can beserker rage

[warm plinth]

I'm not a prot main D:

I main havoc. I just hang out here and spew my unneeded knowledge

I have an unrequited crush on @ionic fern

[grand flame]

Gotcha yeah but either way the fear really isnt noticeable unless you really corner yourself in

[ionic fern]

Making me google words at 9AM in the morning to understand what they mean, shame on you Ghash.

[warm plinth]

Fair enough. I haven't actually experienced that one yet but I get the idea

But now you know a new word

I may be a stupid American who only speaks one language, but I'm improving your second-language vocabulary

[undone sun]

👏

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

Alright, we doin it bois. 2 mask clear of Orgymar 🙂

[ionic fern]

On prot?

[grand flame]

I can dm you my vod if you wanna see how i did it 3 mask. 4 mask i died at rexxar. Rushed it too much

[left hatch]

@warm plinth just do burned bridges + add spawn below 30%

[warm plinth]

Nahhh

[royal rune]

3 BOM vs 2 BOM and 1 deafening crash?

[warm plinth]

I don't have burned bridges yet. I decided to wait last Org week and not do clears

[ionic fern]

2BoM 1xDC

[warm plinth]

I was gonna do add spawn and double madness because fuck 50% sanity mask

[left hatch]

oh rip ): burned bridges was pretty free

[warm plinth]

I full cleared Stormwind with both so it should be way easier in Org

Since I don't have the obnoxious fucking Umbric and Alleria fights

[grand flame]

Tbh sw seems easier to me. Less unavoidable sanity drain.

[warm plinth]

The only unavoidable sanity drain in Org is the Drag boss though 🤔 Unless I'm forgetting something. And technically I can avoid that but too lazy to run away

[grand flame]

Well if you get disorient while the one dude throws you and smashes on you its a rip

[left hatch]

rexar's pigs if you don't have enough interrupts

[grand flame]

Rexars pigs yeah

[warm plinth]

Just remember

[left hatch]

and the guy that yeets you in valley of wisdom

[warm plinth]

I'm a havoc DH, the most broken visions spec in the game

[left hatch]

takes 15 per yeet

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah I forgot about yeety-boi

[left hatch]

and ig thrall's shield, we didn't have dps to break it with 2 masks so just took the 50 sanity to the face

[warm plinth]

Yeah, usually not too concerned about that. When I did 2 mask clear in SW yesterday I probably could have not even used my last orb. Started the fight with like 220 sanity and still had cheat death. Ended the fight with like 340 or something

But used my orb before I went in. Kinda wasted tbh

And only reason I was even that low is because I apparently had a toe in LoS when void explosion went off and took 131 sanity damage to the face

We're gonna try it. Wish me luck

[opal python]

Gl

Got 475 fusion hacker with ineffable truth r2. Was going with the 1h from nzoth 455 with EV r3. I thought maybe with the ev nerf now I could swap these weapons and then add in a ring with mind flay as well. I lose about 1.5k dps doing so.

Would it be worth it or stick with what I got?

This is for aoe sim for m+

[hallow phoenix]

Got 445 pants with echoing void finally

time to play with corruption for reals

only r1 though 😦

[maiden ravine]

the last upgrade makes it so much faster

I'm still not sure about doing a full clear with that mask that halves your sanity cap

that one is gonna be hell to get used to

the mask that leaves puddles is fine unless you get hit by split personality, haha

[left hatch]

thats def gonna be the last one i add to the rotation

once cloak is closer to max

cause oof

[maiden ravine]

So, am I dunce or is there a way to avoid the stun on the drag boss?

[left hatch]

don't be in front of him when he casts void missiles or w/e

[maiden ravine]

but he turns to face you

[left hatch]

its super buggy, hes supposed to stay put

once he starts

[maiden ravine]

that would make sense

[left hatch]

but iv seen him follow me, do a 180 and cast in the opposite direction etc

[inland mesa]

I think he picks a target so if he picks you it's almost instant

[left hatch]

theres a charge up time before he starts

but he can change targets last second

[maiden ravine]

but if you're solo it's hitting you

damn, that'll be tough with the mask that increases sanity loss

[inland mesa]

I still havent gotten a shield 465 or 475 :(

[maiden ravine]

do more 15s!

[inland mesa]

There was a tempting 475 boe with ev 3 up for 3 mil

[ionic fern]

Rich people.

👀

[inland mesa]

But longboi :(

[ionic fern]

When ever i'm over 100k (which is rarely) i feel like i'm the king of the world.

[winter loom]

second trinket and its fucking sporepods. I think im gonna cry

[warm plinth]

Well that was super scuffed. Still did it with like an entire sanity bar left though 😂

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/get-back-in-there-tear-tearing-up-not-crying-earl-devereaux-cloudy-with-achance-of-meatballs-gif-16209586

Man up.

[winter loom]

i would be not that annoyed if it wouldnt have been nerfed that hard in pvp, but here we are

[crimson furnace]

how is the new echoing void after the nerfs?

anyone dabed into that testing it out

??

[left hatch]

its on par with TD in st

and worse in aoe

but its still pretty gud

[crimson furnace]

fucking TD

/spit

[warm plinth]

#DeleteTolDagor

[strong forum]

^

[crimson furnace]

did a 15 yesterday, mmmhhhhmmmm

sweeeet sanguinyyy

so nice

so fuckign nice

ok, so the gameplan is to get 2x EV now

adn we gucci

got it!

[ionic fern]

What's the affixes?

[left hatch]

this week? tyr bursting explosive

[ionic fern]

[hallow phoenix]

yeah but can we vrush off explosives again yet

[maiden ravine]

it's bolstering

not bursting

oddly easy week

[hallow phoenix]

explosive should bolster

[gaunt dawn]

Hello there. just got the shield from my weekly cache. What corruption level is acceptable as prot warrior? Should I cleanse every item except the shield, or just the shield? Because even when I upgrade my cloak to 10 this week I will have too much corruption.. I mainly do mplus in he 13 to 15 region..

[ionic fern]

Cleanse the sword, it's poor in m+.

Appendage and TD are both decent right now so i wouldn't touch those.

In general you wanna stay below 40 corruption tho.

[hallow phoenix]

79 or bust

[sharp night]

killing explosives is hard now 😦

[warm plinth]

I think I was short on sanity 🤔

[sharp night]

they have almost 20k hp on a 15 now?

kinda ridic

[ionic fern]

#DpsProblem.

[warm plinth]

😄

[sharp night]

dps can't even kill it in 1 hit lol

[hallow phoenix]

bring an arcane mage ez

[sharp night]

they need 2-3

[hallow phoenix]

dead in a global

[maiden ravine]

they were easy on an 11

[gaunt dawn]

yea if I keep Twilight and Appendage, I will be at 46 Corruptin (back 10 and with a 8.3 essence)

[ionic fern]

Arcane mages, yikes.
I had one in a run yesterday did less overall dps than me.

[sharp night]

yes because they scale with level

[warm plinth]

Yeah, they're starting to turn into the totems on KR 3rd boss lol

[hallow phoenix]

sounds like a bad arcane

[warm plinth]

For me that is

[ionic fern]

Never seen a good arcane.

🤷

[sharp night]

so on an 11 they'd only have like 12-13k

[opal python]

how good is ineffable truth?

r2

[ionic fern]

Depends on when it procs and what else you have available.

[opal python]

i've got EV r3 and the ineffable truth is on a wep 20 ilvls higher

[ionic fern]

I think it's 1ppm .
Sim yourself with the nightly build to see what comes up ontop.

[opal python]

atm its between those 2. i've got TA and the crit one atm on the side.

for m+, i lose 1.5k dps if i get rid of EV

and i think raidbots isn't updated with the EV nerf. so i guess it would be even less than 1.5k now.

still says 2% health

[rapid tide]

It is in nightly.

[left hatch]

the item description is wrong cause w/e database its pulling the tooltip from isn't updated

but raidbots itself is

[opal python]

oh

ah right, will do so now

no seems not :/

unless i'm doing something wrong? 🤔

[rapid tide]

Mhm. I tried that earlier and it worked for Fury

Maybe not in for tanks yet? Would be really weird tbf it's a shared database I would imagine

[opal python]

yh maybe

[nova gale]

This corruption system is actually a very big pile of garbage

[rapid tide]

Indeed.

[nova gale]

Done 40+ m+ and got one corrupted item. 8% avoidance.

[rapid tide]

That's more than we got.

[fluid copper]

Should i cleanse Void Ritual Rang 2 of my Weapon? With all my Gear i have 35 Corruption, other Corruption are Mastery increase 9% and increased damage and heal with crit 2%

[rapid tide]

Actually 0 pieces in 43 keys.

[nova gale]

From m+ weekly i got 2% crit twice, and now 8% haste again

I just wish I too could passively do 20% more dmg

[rapid tide]

The system is garbage. There is no nicer way to put it imho.
And the rng difference is so insane it frustrates to no end.

[nova gale]

Its completely pay to win too

[ionic fern]

@fluid copper void ritual got buffed iirc - not sure if it's implemented in simc yet but it has some potential, especially compared to the other corruptions you got currently.

[rapid tide]

It's implemented in nightly

Well for Fury. Maybe not for prot either if EV is not in.

[ionic fern]

Wdym not in?

[rapid tide]

Someone shared a sim 5 minutes ago where EV simmed same for nightly and weekly

[fluid copper]

@ionic fern Is it meanigful to cleanse one of the other corruption? I dislike the Eye from the Corruption effect 😄

[rapid tide]

Just scroll a tiny bit up Mwahi

(by Pax)

[ionic fern]

You get the eye regardless @fluid copper . 👀

[strong forum]

Eye spawns as soon as you have 20 or more

[ionic fern]

From 20 onwrads.

[fluid copper]

Nah, i have 25 currently, just mistyped 😄

[ionic fern]

Just Spell Reflect the eye.

Ggwp

[fluid copper]

mhhhhh, but what about the important spells to reflect in m+? 😛

[ionic fern]

Not that many in most dungeons.

Plus it's super easy to move out of the eye . o.o

[left hatch]

Cyclone strike>>>>everything else (:

thats the most important spell to reflect

[sharp night]

it's easy until you have like 60 corruption and then it starts getting kinda big

[ionic fern]

I'm a tiny boy so i'm stuck at 36 iirc.

[sharp night]

i don't actually have over 40 on any char anymore, first week i was running like 60+ on some alts and getting owned

and then some chars i am at close to 0

[ionic fern]

Imagine having alts with cloaks and corruptions.

[sharp night]

gotta get the corruptions somewhere

when i've exhausted all gear wqs and assaults and visions on main and gotten 0 corruption

and getting trinkets from weekly cache

[fluid copper]

When you SR the Eye, the DMG will still go through but the stacks wont be going higher?

[left hatch]

neither

the eye just stops zapping you

[fluid copper]

ok

[deft vessel]

bleh, fuuuuuuuuuuck you stupid box of disappointment

still using 445 weap and 445 shield, have 465 bracers, get 470 bracers without any secondaries from my M+ box

?!?!?!!?

I don't even know if I should equip this

I kind of dont' want to

since it seems crap

[sharp night]

defensively it's almost certainly worse

sim for damage, maybe it is decent

but most likely not

[deft vessel]

1k extra damage on single target I Think

[nova gale]

Smiley face

Kms

[gaunt dawn]

Avoidance is good?

Idk if you're memeing

[wintry ermine]

ehh, I have that same corruption and its at 10 corruption

[deft vessel]

the above shit bracers - 300 extra damage on AoE and 1.1k extra damage on single target, for how shit it is, I don't think it's worth it ..... bleh

[gaunt dawn]

Alot of notable damage is impacted by avoidance

[wintry ermine]

did the patch really not update older items?

[gaunt dawn]

Cleared your cache?

In your game folder

[tropic oriole]

Guys, is there already enough data on how good ev is still? I have a ring with tier 2 ev and I wonder how worth it is to keep it

[left hatch]

avoidance is like leech, its ok but its not worth dropping ilvl for, or using corruption budget on

but if its all you got go for it

[nova gale]

I am memeing

[gaunt dawn]

Maybe you've not reached any hard bosses yet..

[nova gale]

I want more dmg

Not fkin avoidance

[deft vessel]

that's how I feel with my stupid parry avoidance bracers with no secondaries!

[opal python]

hmm if the raidbots aren't updated for EV nerf yet (nightly isn't either), would quick math be ok if i just cut the dmg of EV specifically by half? :P

[gaunt dawn]

Nightly is

[sharp night]

both weekly and nightly are

because it's implemented in EU now

[opal python]

i just simmed weekly/nightly, and its doing the same tho

unless it was a minute ago?

[gaunt dawn]

Its wednesday now

So weekly is

[nova gale]

Didnt ev do like 25% before

[sharp night]

https://i.imgur.com/2ExFKDw.png

[left hatch]

its been updated for awhile

[sharp night]

nah the banner previously said

[nova gale]

So 12,5% now makes sense

[sharp night]

nightly was updated but not weekly

because they were waiting for EU reset

[ionic fern]

EU has had the reset.

[left hatch]

sorry nightly* has been updated for awhile

[ionic fern]

🤔

[sharp night]

yeah

[opal python]

will send the screenshots again

[sharp night]

that's what i mean

it's updated now because EU had its reset

[opal python]

im so confused lol :D

[gaunt dawn]

@wintry ermine did you clear game cache and check the corruption value again?

[ionic fern]

👍

[deft vessel]

(don't use dungeon slice)

[left hatch]

so whats not updated about that

[deft vessel]

(it's shit)

[wintry ermine]

what folder do I delete to clear it?

[gaunt dawn]

Cache

In your retail folder

[wintry ermine]

onit

[gaunt dawn]

Close game before you delete the contents

[wintry ermine]

still says 10 corruption

[opal python]

i'll change it to hectic add cleave, but even on this one, on EV it still says 2% health

[gaunt dawn]

🤔

[left hatch]

i said earlier

[sharp night]

tooltip is wrong

[left hatch]

the tooltips arn't updated because w/e database they pull from

hasn't been updated

[opal python]

ah right

[left hatch]

the sim is still right

[opal python]

ok cool

[wintry ermine]

@gaunt dawn and my corruption total is at 40 instead of 38 which it should be 😦

[gaunt dawn]

Ya

Thanks for checking x

Looks like a quick fix bug tbh

[wintry ermine]

yeah, kinda sucks because I don't want to be at 40 for raid night :/

[gaunt dawn]

Embrace the thing from beyond

Learn to control it

Be the dps monster you want to be

[sharp night]

i tried that once

and then i got 6 procs of TFB at the same time

[deft vessel]

so you heroic leap away that one time and it's fixed

[sharp night]

from different directions

nah wasn't on my warr

[gaunt dawn]

If you get multiple at the same time

When one explodes they all do

Its chain procs that are the issue

[sharp night]

have had that happen too

[deft vessel]

and it can be spell reflected, and why are you basing your experience of anotehr spec for your prot warrior gearing decisions

[gaunt dawn]

Then you become a storm bolt main

[rapid tide]

6 tfb?

[sharp night]

yes

[rapid tide]

That sounds... insanely unlucky 😄

[deft vessel]

It sounds statistically improbable

[gaunt dawn]

^

[sharp night]

from my experience TFB is not truly rppm

[deft vessel]

I'm at 45 and have had only 2 at a time at most

[sharp night]

it either chain procs or it doesn't

[gaunt dawn]

At least it's fixed now

No longer scales from pet modifiers

🙂

[deft vessel]

for all them pets we have? xD

[gaunt dawn]

Every spec has a modifier

Idk if you know

[deft vessel]

they've only fixed the mastery buffs for BM and demo, what're you on about lol

and versatility i guess

which si somewhat relevant to us

[gaunt dawn]

This value

It varies spec by spec

[deft vessel]

this value was not bugged

lol

you're extrapolating based on an assumption

[gaunt dawn]

That value also impacted CLF

And other totems

[carmine wadi]

I'm ready to get EV out of weekly chest today 💯

[nova gale]

Prepare for avoidance

[gaunt dawn]

Mb have a look at what spell modifier those particular masteries do

Demo mastery

[deft vessel]

I really don't understand why you're going on about this.

go read the patch notes of the hotfix, and then just leave it be

[gaunt dawn]

Not everything is documented

[left hatch]

^ blizz is notorious for stealth changing things lul

[deft vessel]

Sure, go look up client diffs on wowhead then before arguing, because he's still just extrapolating based on assumptions

either way

[gaunt dawn]

But it's not client based 🤔

It's a server side value

[deft vessel]

eh, true, nvm, hotfixes, duh

either way, I still think you're talking nonsense in this regard, but regardless, discussion is moot, none of this changes gearing choices

so it's kind of whatever

[opal python]

can the new crafted gear have corruption?

[gaunt dawn]

Nope

[ionic fern]

Tanknotes warr updates when @gaunt dawn

[gaunt dawn]

Let me finish this piece of data conversion and I can get on it today

[ionic fern]

[ancient galleon]

Quick question, I just boosted a Prot warrior mainly for m+ what 4 essences should i grind out first? Dont have alot of time on my hands so just want 4 decent once

[left hatch]

Vision of Perfection, Conflict and Strife, Memory of Lucid dreams, Sphere of Suprression

(only need r1 of sphere)

[ancient galleon]

Thanks mate!

[deft vessel]

aegis also ok for M+

[left hatch]

you have to do more work for it to be on par with the others, but yah its ok

but yo'ull also probably get it while going for Lucid

i think follower missions gave rep... but i also stopped doing them the second i got r3

[leaden grail]

man i lost like 5.5k single target sim because of the echoing void nerf .. feelsbadman

[ionic fern]

👍

Shittiest feeling when they give you something and then just nerf it to the ground..rather just give it with adequate numbers from the start.
That's what QA is for. 😒

[deft vessel]

eh, you got to enjoy some power for a bit then, some of us have never gotten echoing void or any other decent corruption

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong crown]

Searing flames on the wrathion mythic better than EV Rank 2 for M+

?

[gaunt dawn]

Does searing flames hit yet?

The cone was smaller than hitboxes on large mobs/bosses

[ionic fern]

Never paid attention to it but it usually did like 4-5% of my overall damage in m+.

[leaden grail]

i mean echoing void might still be one of the better corruptions though, right? mine is r3 and it's still about 5k single target?

[strong forum]

Yes

[strong crown]

Well I gotta choose 1 to cleanse

I cant have 50 corruption

After reductions

[ionic fern]

Wrathion.

[leaden grail]

everytime i saw that corruption used it did no damage.

possibly its gonna get buffed enormously like the maut 2hand or something

[strong forum]

I'm running 50 corruption 🤷‍♂️

[strong crown]

in m+?

[strong forum]

Yup

And raid

But it's only HC pug stuff, cba touching mythic this expac anymore

[strong crown]

How about EV or TD

which would you guys use at the same rank

[strong forum]

As tank I used both EV t2 and TD t2

For m+ TD will be better

For raid EV will be pretty strong

[winter loom]

how is the mechagon shield with the shield-proc?

[sick sentinel]

bad compared to same ilvl stuff\

[winter loom]

alright

[strong crown]

Heroic Torment in a jar or 430 Urchin

for M+s