protection

[left hatch]

especially compared to something like the massive increase to avatar uptime VoP gives... which with BoM is a flat 60%ish increase to the rest of your damage

(and that 60% is before you factor in the increase to TC from Unstoppable force)

[sick sentinel]

is 40% passive haste good

without into the fray

[glass finch]

That’s incredibly high

You are sacrificing a lot of other stats to get there?

[west galleon]

could just have expedients

[left hatch]

as long as hes not sacrificing ilvl its not a big issue

[sick sentinel]

Imagine still using VoP shame

[sick sentinel]

i mean ive still got 22% crit and 31% mastery

[merry cave]

Has anyone done the nerdy thing of working out which azerite slot to spend residuum on first

[distant crystal]

2109 haste now

+hbd proc and vita proc

feelsfastman

[sick sentinel]

im at 2516 haste

[sick sentinel]

vita, rezans, haste proc and haste % 2 OPs and 2 MSs

Fast boi

[maiden ravine]

rip

I messed up a 14 motherlode cause I didn't know where to stand on last boss

doesn't help when I'm told to plant somewhere and THEY will move for corruption

I then get hit by 2 of them

[onyx vessel]

F

[royal rune]

What's the best way to get new shoulders helmet and chest?

[sick parcel]

Raid

[royal rune]

I've been running mythics forever and theres never drops of these

[sick parcel]

Those only drop from weekly chest

[maiden ravine]

no

you only get Residuum from your weekly cache

which you can use to buy Azerite

You can get Azerite from PvP caches, but it's rare

It's annoying that some dungeons are jokes

like Junkyard and Workshop both feel super easy compared to Motherlode

[lucid parcel]

Im averaging between 35-40k dps in m+ in the 11-14 range trying to gear a little bit more up (currently 465), is thaf ok or too low?

[maiden ravine]

overall as tank? that's probably great honestly

and 465 is pretty well geared for that range

[lucid parcel]

Im still farming essences and i have shitty azerite, thats why im still not confident to run higher keys. I still have lucid 1 and no pvp essences so i got to run vop cof anima and aegis (2)

I know anima is shit but i dont have any other options

[maiden ravine]

and here I'm running around doing 10s and 11s at 450 haha

no wonder I'm struggling

[maiden ravine]

I guess I just keep chain running 11s til I get the upgrades I need

[flat jackal]

@maiden ravine 450 is all you need to do 15s and up

[maiden ravine]

Not "easily"

like I just tried a 14 motherlode, I couldn't pull more than 3 or 4 mobs at a time

and last boss just tore me apart

I'm trying though. 😄

[dusky mica]

but the previous boss was fine?

[maiden ravine]

for the most part yeah, except when I got clipped by a DH quaking

but overall, yeah

only Razdunk made me feel squishy

[dusky mica]

gobbo does more damage, don't really get it

[maiden ravine]

Like it's just a rough week, quaking coming right when the bombs drop? Those suckers do 100k each one that hits and you can easily get hit by 3

bam, 50% of hp gone

[dusky mica]

if you get hit by other peoples quaking then sure

[maiden ravine]

I mean if you get hit by 3 bombs trying to avoid quaking, that's 300k damage

I dunno, he just shredded me and group fell apart after doing the entire rest of the dungeon

[dusky mica]

bit of a strat issue probably, people doing their own yolo thing

[maiden ravine]

no, it was always me dying first. it was just a lot of damage no matter what I did.

[dusky mica]

1-there are spots in the room that are immune to orange swirlies

[maiden ravine]

yes, but when all 5 decide to stand there during quaking week. 😄

[dusky mica]

2-the machine gun rotation is physical damage, you can run through it the opposite way and take one tick so you never have to live with the melee rabble

[maiden ravine]

and I'll admit, I didn't know where those spots were because the bombs are literally something you can ignore in 10s and belows

[dusky mica]

3-The bosses normal attack is fire damage, there is nothing to block

[maiden ravine]

well not ignore, but they aren't life threatening

[dusky mica]

4-EXCEPT the landing crash (when he stomps the rockets) that is blockable

[maiden ravine]

but yeah, since I didn't know the immune spots, plus trying to deal with quaking, group just fell apart cause I was "trash"

[dusky mica]

tank life

have rain man memory of all possible strats or be called an idiot by a 2 button demon hunter

[maiden ravine]

When I got clipped by 2 quakings they were, "Was your gear red or something"

nah, just got hit for 500k

but it's stupid how much harder motherlode is vs Junkyard for example

[dusky mica]

I dont think it is

the gnomes in junkyard do more damage

[maiden ravine]

you have to kill a lot less of them, plus you get the massive buffs

[lucid parcel]

Even though quaking feels relative smooth and friendly compared to last season

[maiden ravine]

I think you end up killing maybe half the trash you do in Motherlode

[lucid parcel]

If you place yourself correctly the damage is almost non existent

[maiden ravine]

quaking doesn't do any damage unless it clips

one clip you can be okay, 2 is pushing it

[lucid parcel]

Still think third boss is way more dangerous than last

Just remember obly to ig as those rwo bosses have almost non blockable dmg

[sharp night]

trash count in ml is only ~15% more than junkyard

[maiden ravine]

it probably is most weeks, but for some reason Razdunk sucked

[dusky mica]

I've had pugs where the dps ran onto the tankspot for quaking (last season) and expected me to move because they now occupy my spot

you do meet some prize fools sometimes

[maiden ravine]

is it literally cause my group was 5 stacking the tank spot?

[lucid parcel]

They cando it as long as they move awayfor quKing

[ember plinth]

Nothing more fun then having the entire group rush the stairs after quaking pops on the last boss of tol dagor

Even though they're already spread out to begin with

[maiden ravine]

@sharp night would shock me, Junkyard felt so fast and I even over pulled on the trash clearing around Slime Boss and the Twins

[sharp night]

trash count required in ml is 384 on non-teeming weeks

junkyard is 332

with how much the mobs are worth in each, it's about 10 more mobs comparatively

[maiden ravine]

then I guess the bot buffs make it a lot faster

[sharp night]

yes, the bot buffs are insane

they do like 15-30% of your overall damage

[lucid parcel]

Specially the lightning thing

[ember plinth]

and there's no real slog point in junkyard. Getting 50% of your trash before the first boss would feel weird

[maiden ravine]

Motherlode just felt like a slog, when you're past the 3 chest mark, 58% trash only and still working towards second boss

[sharp night]

you're probably not pulling enough in the first area if you're at 58%

you can pull big and clear almost everything getting to ~75-80% trash before first boss

[maiden ravine]

When group its getting antsy about the timer and wanting to get the boss.

I couldn't pull more than 3 or 4 mobs without dying

[sharp night]

and then it's literally just a boss rush

for the last 3 bosses

[lucid parcel]

I normally go for 50to 55 before first boss

[maiden ravine]

My group could not handle more than 1 assassin, or more than 2 refreshment vendors any pull

[sharp night]

you aren't supposed to handle more than 1 refreshment vendor

assassins you can do 1 per melee

[maiden ravine]

Stuns cause flechette isn't interruptible?

[sharp night]

yes

1 melee per assassin on kick/stun duty

[maiden ravine]

I'll have to check logs but I don't recall either DH casting chaos nova really

[sharp night]

they should be running the ST stun

not just nova

[maiden ravine]

balance druid effed me up more than once using treants

[lucid parcel]

Not a week to run treants

[sharp night]

you basically only ever pull 1 refreshment vendor at a time and always chain kick it when it casts the freeze

and as soon as it dies you chain into the next pull

ml is a dungeon where you really rely on the group for survivability

[maiden ravine]

I mean I'll give the place again, but Motherlode is third on the list of dungeons I most hate this expansion behind Shrine and TD.

[sharp night]

there's a lot of damage both going out for tank and the rest of the party

[lucid parcel]

Nah, only reason to hate it is third boss

[maiden ravine]

the only time I felt comfortable tanking was the trash between first and second boss

[sharp night]

shrine is similar on the trash, if people can use their interrupts it's fine

if not then you're in for a world of hurt

[maiden ravine]

shrine is probably easier with awakened but I haven't done many of them above 10 yet

[sharp night]

there's barely anything to skip in shrine anyway even with the pillars

[maiden ravine]

the bridge

cause pug world doesn't carry invis pots

[sharp night]

the bridge pillar is

literally in the tentacle pack at the start of the bridge

[maiden ravine]

and those tentacles kill people. 😄

[sharp night]

that's why i said there's hardly anything to skip

[maiden ravine]

you can also skip the runecarver.

[sharp night]

yeah you can skip both minibosses

but there's not really enough trash in the dungeon for count if you do that

unless you clear the entire bridge

[maiden ravine]

I think the group I dps'd on ended up doing the first mini boss, only skipping rune carver and part of the bridge

I'm only up to an 864 rio. Have Temple, Underrot, and Waycrest still to do this week

[sharp night]

yeah that's fine at most key levels

at high fort heldis is kinda brutal though

[left hatch]

if you're getting hit by bomb drops last boss ML you're doing the boss wrong...

theres always 1/4 of the room thats safe from bomb

even if you need to heroic leap into it last minute

so you can't blame melee and quaking for forcing you to get hit by bombs

[maiden ravine]

I don't know how to tell what will be safe before hand, DBM goes off literally as the floor turns red

[sharp night]

the two copters he spawns at the start of the encounter and when he comes down from p2

will fly around and face a specific direction

[left hatch]

^ look like the BFA engi mount

[sharp night]

where they face is where they bomb

there are 6 zones

2 are always safe

[maiden ravine]

there's a safe spot on the grill in the bottom left I was told about, but it was tough when 5 people stacked there

[sharp night]

but it requires you to constantly look around at where they fly to and where they face

to identify where the safe spots are, so most people end up just using one of the guaranteed safe spots

[left hatch]

i just break up the room into 4 quarters

[strong forum]

You can see the boombas flying around

[left hatch]

and yell at my group that "X flare is safe"

[maiden ravine]

I have a feeling if I tried to do that with the group I was in I'd have been yelled at more

[strong forum]

Based on their position you can make out the safespots

You need a thick skin as tank

Very thick

[left hatch]

even if it was just for you, you can heroic leap and be safe and let them deal with dodging

[maiden ravine]

is the typical strat just have the tank stand in one spot?

[strong forum]

No

[left hatch]

iv never heard that strat lol

[maiden ravine]

Like they put a marker down and said, "stay here"

[strong forum]

You move according to the boombas

[left hatch]

i move the boss to the safe zone if i can. sometimes machine gun overlaps and you just have to wait

lul no

thats not typical at all

[strong forum]

Na that's way wrong

[maiden ravine]

"Bomb never lands here"

[left hatch]

tbh i don't know of any place in the room thats consistently safe

[sharp night]

there's 3 safe spots

guaranteed never to get hit by bombs

just because of the pattern of the micromissiles

[left hatch]

huh never knew

[strong forum]

They're mostly for ranged tho

[left hatch]

seems sketch af tho to have your entire team stack there

[sharp night]

i mean

[left hatch]

even ignoring quaking, the big missile is a consideration

[sharp night]

my group just stacks on the stairs at the boss entrance

the big missile does no damage

even at like 21 tyr keys last season

it hit for like 60k

[maiden ravine]

it does seem like 15k every 3 seconds on +14 fort

[sharp night]

my group just all stacks on the stairs

and we heal through the missile and ignore everything else

nobody ever has to move except for gatling

[maiden ravine]

I'll try to see the boombas more but I have a hard time seeing them.

[sharp night]

and they literally run through the boss twice

so they lose no dps uptime

[left hatch]

ill need to find a vod showing that off for non quaking

sounds juicy

but boombas are super noticable, they look like a scuffed version of mimrons head

they're a bit smaller than the boss himself

[maiden ravine]

I'm used to having my camera aim at the ground, not above or behind me

might be a bad thing, I dunno, I'd say if directly above me is 0, I do like 30 degrees behind me.

[left hatch]

idk, i constantly am holding right click for camera move

so adjusting camera on the fly isn't an issue

[maiden ravine]

I do too, but that's just my default position

[sharp night]

same

[maiden ravine]

there's a lot of things in the game that drastically reduce camera distance too when you least expect it

I'll keep working at it, I just feel squishy as hell

and next week is another hell week with bolstering/explosive

[near blaze]

is there addone show the cd

cd's of the group ? not the def

[maiden ravine]

I need to run Atal'dazar until I have 460 weapon and shield dang it

[near blaze]

cd's like comb for mages

[maiden ravine]

yep, that's my goal tomorrow

AD 11-12s til I get sick of them

30 ilvl on mh, and 20 on shield will probably do wonders.

[sharp night]

@near blaze zentracker weakaura with an associated front end

[maiden ravine]

AD, do most of you do the sacrifice to get the last obelisk, or just fight it at last boss?

[balmy summit]

Hey guys...playing around with Prot, only 412ilvl and working on gear. It feels slow, clunky and awful...I'm putting that down to my 11% haste, would that be right?

[maiden ravine]

That does sound low

But it'll probably be better as you work your way to 440 gear

[balmy summit]

I like the whole board and sword thing but it's painful 😁 ...I guess I'll have to persevere and not default to my guardian druid at 445 who feels way smoother

[tame garden]

🐻 👍

[sharp night]

i have a hunter and rogue in group and i prefer to be safe so i have them feign/vanish pull but if you aren't scared of getting comboed by the tankbuster you can do it with the last boss

[balmy summit]

Jeez Speg..do you live on discord

[tame garden]

Yes

[balmy summit]

[maiden ravine]

I'll make sure to have that or a nelf in group

Operation mace and board tomorrow

[lucid parcel]

Play it with boss

The last obelisk

Its the tank buzter but if you do 11/12 range is pretty safe

[karmic elbow]

Hey, could u suggest any good tanking addon for a begginer?

[marsh silo]

is it worth gaining 15 ilvls for losing a third bastion trait?

[strong forum]

yes

[willow star]

Hi, is it possible to get 100% crit Block chance during avatar with 3 times bastion of might ?

[strong forum]

youll get pretty close

but aiming for that requires alot of mastery before bom

like im talking 2k mastery before bom, i think

[left hatch]

so did some maths

assuming you get the highest possible versions of BoM

it gives 15.65% mastery from the 2 NZoth mythic pieces apiece

and 15.21% from any other mythic quality version

without any other sources prot has a base mastery of 12%

so to get that remaining 41.5% you'll need 1992 mastery

so just under 2k like Nom said (:

[strong forum]

WOAH

oh i thought you were mocking me

nvm

[left hatch]

no was curious about the math

spot on estimate there

[marsh silo]

ty

[marble cipher]

Planning to swap to plater from elvui nameplates, is there anything I need to config or does it work well enough out of the box (for instance threat stuff)

[strong forum]

It does it by default

But there's literally millions of options you can fiddle around with

[marble cipher]

Yeah, and I will do that eventually, just wanted to know if it's "good to go" by default

[strong forum]

Yup

It is

[sick sentinel]

Who do I have to service to not get void ritual on every single corrupted piece? And can I get something other than bracers?

[sweet summit]

just remember to disable elvui nameplates or shit will bug out

[paper valley]

can someone help me with a gear selection

the 254 stam seems nice but idk about losing that corruption proc

[strong forum]

[sick sentinel]

^

[shadow tapir]

Is Subroutine: Overclock on the computation device still a valid trinket? I know it’s still on the icy veins guide as #2 survivability trink.

[sweet summit]

its ok, falls of pretty quick due to low ilvl tho

[shadow tapir]

That was what I figured. I’m working on removing all these trinkets from my bag, I keep getting held up with analaysis paralysis and need to limit my options. I’m cycling through 10 trinkets per raid for no reason.

Also my raid DPS contribution is absolute shit compared to EP. -_-

[left trout]

i have TD and my contribution seems extra low as well. sometimes i can reach 40k and it feels ok

[shadow tapir]

I’ve been either playing extra shitty or my gear is just now all jacked up with the new tier and terrible loot rng. I’m getting absolutely trucked a lot more than I’m used to. Something is off and idk why my warrior feels so bad 😦

[rotund fjord]

Hey guys, im new to prot and just did a +6 waycrest, i was squishy as fuck at 440.. Keeping shield block and IP up most of the time is my main prio right in survival?

Ofc i use last stand etc when needed.

[shadow tapir]

Yeah essentially. You should be able to hit 3 Shield Blocks before retiring a Last Stand w/ Bolster. Ignore pain as needed if you aren’t needlessly dumping rage on Revenge. Are you using Shield Wall and Spell Reflect as necessary?

[sweet summit]

SB is you main AM

[shadow tapir]

Requiring*

[sweet summit]

IP is "only" for preventing to overcap rage

also, dont be afraid to use shield wall often

[rotund fjord]

ah ok

[sweet summit]

with anger management, its cooldown is fairly low

warriors are all about preventing damage, we dont have a "OH SHIT" button

[rotund fjord]

I am using spell reflect etc ofc yeah

[sweet summit]

use defensives BEFORE damage comes

[rotund fjord]

Just felt like a dps in tank spec lol

[shadow tapir]

It helps to know what the incoming damage is as well, I see warriors shield block casters all the time and wonder why it’s not helping.

If anyone knowledgeable feels like taking a look at some terrible heroic logs to critique me, @ me 🙂 I’d appreciate it.

[naive panther]

I don’t revenge unless It’s free or I’m full hp and already have ip up and excess rage.

[frail blade]

hello guys, which one a best azerite traits iron fortress or brace for impact?

[grizzled star]

hey, i am super poor bc i just started on a new realm and my focus is on pushing keys, last night i got 455 glives with vers>haste with leech and a socket. how important are leech and sockets respectively, basically im trying to determine if i should throw a str gem in or if i should just throw in crit and forget about it

[sweet summit]

leech is not worth anything

a socket's worth depends on what piece it is on

[grizzled star]

kk so crit and forget, didnt know how good leech was for warrior

[rigid dust]

Leech isn’t worth anything at all? With 300 leech it was 10% of my overall healing in M+

[sweet summit]

dont sac any ilvl for only leech is what i mean

[rigid dust]

Got it

[rotund fjord]

so how do we regen rage? i seem to get to 90 rage or so then SB and IP and im out. Then i got nothing for a good 4-5 seconds. All im doing is thunderclap/shield slam for regen?

Also what corruption bits are good for prot? I feel like taking unecessary dmg is well unecssary.

[sweet summit]

auto attacks, getting hit, SS, TC, Demo shout

[grizzled star]

echoing void, twlight devestation

prolly infinite stars

[sweet summit]

IS is only good on shadhar imo

[grizzled star]

in my experiance under 40 is no problem at all

[rotund fjord]

And do we take the auto attack build or not?

[grizzled star]

yeah idk if its even good on tyranical weeks

1123211

for m+

[rotund fjord]

Okl

My shout usage is low for sure.

[grizzled star]

shout when you avatar

[rotund fjord]

Does anyone use any nice ui's for tanking or just addons etc?

[grizzled star]

i use elv and weakauraas

[rotund fjord]

got a link to the wa's you use?

[grizzled star]

and a fuckton of addons

uhh

i ripped most of them from method scos tank ui video

but i also have a cursor tracket and interrupt tracker, party cds tracker etc

https://wago.io/E1rXmimWG/1

rage bar

https://wago.io/ry18K9iEQ/3

ignore pain

[strong forum]

Sco ui is dog

dont copy that

[grizzled star]

agree

i like some of the weak auras tho

[strong forum]

if you copy ui's
Naowhs or Fragnances are best imo

[grizzled star]

yeah i juse naowhs elvui

[fluid copper]

Best Trinkets for M+ ?

[grizzled star]

damage

rezans and the wrathion trinket are good

[fluid copper]

and for survivabilty?

currently running rezan and wrathion

[grizzled star]

the reduced magic damage in raid is good for the raid

[terse dragon]

The maut trinket and Nzoth one seem pretty good

[grizzled star]

overall for everything other than raiding just go damage

[fluid copper]

Some nieche Trinkes in Dungeos except Rezans which are good?

[grizzled star]

razdunks big red button

[fluid copper]

Ritual Bandage maybe?

[grizzled star]

when i last played in season 2 bandage was trash

[terse dragon]

What level dgs are you doing?

[fluid copper]

+11 and higher

but didnt looked to much into trinkets yet

[terse dragon]

Dg tank trinkets are bad

[grizzled star]

all tank trinkets are bad lmao

oppulences was decent

[terse dragon]

Sporepod is probably the best one and it's meh, the tank ones this tier are decent if want extra CD

[terse dragon]

For raid

[grizzled star]

yeah in raid the raid trinket is decent but theres no magic damage in m+ so damage is better

[fluid copper]

alright thanks

[oblique garnet]

There is significant amount of magic damage in m+ however most of them are avoidable with kicks but dungeon like waycrest is 60-40 physical/magical

If you have edicts and urchin i wouldnt replace those trinkets with basically anything for any key that actually matters

[carmine wadi]

How is torment in jar for m+?

[grizzled star]

can stuff from aep warforge or titanforge to the level it could before or is titan forging turned off now?

[sweet summit]

Uldir/BoD/EP can wf and tf up to 455

[rustic tinsel]

Pretty sure anything prior to this patch can still TF up to 455

[sweet summit]

weapons can only wf +10 ilvls

[grizzled star]

@oblique garnet how many ilvls is it worth losing on a damage trinket to have those on? didnt play aep at all. should i be trying to get into mythic runs and rerolling them or are they more like sidegrades

[rustic tinsel]

But in all reality just pray for twilight devastation/echoing void and afk

[grizzled star]

lol

[rustic tinsel]

I’m using torment in a jar and chopping block over heroic edicts/urchin rn for keys around 13-14. Warrior feels a lot better with offensive trinkets this season comparatively to last season (probably lack of emis)

But if you’re seriously trying to push keys and feel you need the extra defensive id say aim to get them at least at heroic

And raid content obviously if you’re tanking they’re pretty much essential

[lunar jackal]

so i got tier 3 twilight dev

but my corruption gets way too high

id have to cleanse 9% haste

is that a good swap?

[warm plinth]

Are you primarily doing M+ or raids? Because TD drops off a lot in ST (still probably better than 9% haste but you can sim to be sure).

[lunar jackal]

im doing both

my guild has gotten CE past tiers but i push keys

[ivory barn]

Why is the top M+ prot warrior using a urcin trinket and Lucid Dreams major?

[strong forum]

cuz at 20s SHIT HURTS

[warm plinth]

Do you not have another piece to replace the 9% haste one for now?

[lunar jackal]

no T_T

[warm plinth]

Sad times

[strong forum]

he doesnt have best gear yet so theyre going full defensive setup

[warm plinth]

I'd probably cleanse it tbh

[strong forum]

and its fort week so you need to pull big, thus lucid

[ivory barn]

It's not useful to do that on +15's?

[strong forum]

not at all

shit doesnt hurt enough

to validate going lucid

[ivory barn]

I still use VoP major, so I was curious

[strong forum]

vop is perfectly fine

lucid is very niche

[ivory barn]

Thanks

[carmine wadi]

Guys would you wear a 475 red button?

[sweet summit]

depends on what other trinkets are available

[carmine wadi]

460 torment and 460 wrathion

[warm plinth]

That's a hell no from me

[sweet summit]

stick to torment and wrathion

[carmine wadi]

Okay so my weekly chest was worth expulsom

[strong forum]

equip it tho

so you can trade stuff

[grizzled star]

^

[warm plinth]

In both slots

Not sure if that applies to trinkets or not, but it does for rings so can't hurt XD

[grizzled star]

it does for trinkets as well

[strong forum]

yes autism applies to trinkets too

[jagged stump]

The red button sims really good for me

It’s a bit unpractical if you compare it to the mech trink, but on multiple adds it’s red button for sure.

[wise rivet]

hello guys, i've been living under the stones past months so i need some help:
my trinkets are still edicts + urchin both 430
should i replace them with almost whatever other trinket i get >460? or should i just farm couple certain ones again?

[maiden ravine]

hmm, I should just kill heroic wrathion and pray for the sword maybe

[analog zinc]

@wise rivet pretty much yea

get something like rezan's, butcher's block, wrath trinket

those are your 3 bis

[tired cove]

is there a IP WA thats like you used IP to much because the max is still like 3 right ?, haven't played wow in along time

[maiden ravine]

mdt is neat

[undone sun]

x1.3

There should also be an IP wa in #ui-addons-manager @tired cove

[tired cove]

thanks thyme how you been buddy haven't seen you in forever

[sick sentinel]

What are the best essences to use in general for M+?

[rare kelp]

Good evening ! i need your help here guys . What do you think ?!? Thank you in advance !

[sweet summit]

both are very situational imo

[sharp rover]

Is Briny Barnacle as worthless as the sims suggest?

[sweet summit]

its ait

[lunar jackal]

guys if u have 2 twilight devastation is it more damage?

[sweet summit]

yes

[lunar jackal]

since its % i was just wondering

[maiden ravine]

first AD 11, didn't time, no loot for me. 😄 I will get that mace and shield

[sweet summit]

soon! i just got a 465 shield myself! there is hope :p

[maiden ravine]

I have a 430 sword and 440 shield and I wonder why I'm struggling some even if weapon stats don't mean a ton to our dps right now

[sweet summit]

weapon dps is pretty big for our dps

[maiden ravine]

ah? then I really want that 30 ilvl upgrade

[ivory barn]

weapon & shield stats

are a huge factor in a way

[limber pagoda]

how do you double taunt on a monk? anyone here knows

[slender finch]

statue and taunt?

or using the essence that taunts everything around u?

[strong forum]

monk doesnt have double taunt

only bdk and warrior do

afaik

[sick sentinel]

Monks are somewhat known as multi taunt because they can taunt multiple things at once

[limber pagoda]

i was asking for the sha'har fight

shad'har

[sleek flax]

sup guys

i have 2 pants 460, Haste+Mastery+socket or Critical+haste?

[sweet summit]

equal ilvl, take the socketed one

thats more stats

[sleek flax]

but lose some critical

dont care?

[sweet summit]

but you get more stats

more stats>"better" stats

[sleek flax]

ok

ty for this

and i have a trouble with trinkets

i will show u in a photo, one moment

thats all that i have =/

for m+ and raids, idk what i should use

[sweet summit]

rezan/block/jes are good for m+. urchin/edict is good if you need defensive trinkets
for raids you can for damage

[sleek flax]

idk how to sim as tank 😦

[strong forum]

same way dps sims

[sweet summit]

same as siming dps

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OntnJ9ewxJ3L__iDn-R9qYukRBDW7429AJiv3NGZ_2M/edit

[strong forum]

you can only sim dmg

survivability you cant

[sweet summit]

this is a great guide if you are new to raidbots

^^^^

[sleek flax]

survivability you cant
@strong forum yes thats im saying

we cant sim survivability

[sweet summit]

you sim for damage

survivability comes from good play

[strong forum]

^

[maiden ravine]

okay, Underrot, second boss, you can't use the cleave to get all the pustules right, you have to rely on DPS with upheaval and maybe an immunity to get them right?

[sweet summit]

3rd boss you mean?

no you cant clear everything with the frontals

[maiden ravine]

yeah, third sorry

[strong forum]

Third boss you use shockwave to clear the shrooms

[sweet summit]

dps players have to help by using upheaval or soakiing

[strong forum]

and the upheavals

[maiden ravine]

yeah, we had a monk and hunter, neither was doing any soaking either

we got the boss but it was close

[sweet summit]

oof

[maiden ravine]

13 stacks of the debuff

yet DH shitting on me

[sweet summit]

oh boi

[strong forum]

my god

the absolute state of pugtards

wow

[sweet summit]

this is why i love puging

[maiden ravine]

"People were getting hit by the things that fly around!"

no, it was literally the 13 stacks

[strong forum]

imagine SEEING THINGS POP UP MID FIGHT and not think "hmm the mechanics is probably related to the shrooms"

fucking pepegas

[maiden ravine]

it's always a DH that is toxic as hell though

[strong forum]

edgy

and op

what do you expect

[maiden ravine]

like if you're that leet, just tank yourself, then you won't have to deal with tanks that don't know everything yet bubba

[strong forum]

na theyre too pussy

its always DPS players that have NEVER plyed tank before

that flame the most

[sweet summit]

^^^^^^

[strong forum]

you'll never see a DPS flame that is a tank player or used to be a tank

[maiden ravine]

he kept yelling at me to kite the last boss when I was, if shit isn't hitting me or under me and I have space behind me, why would I kite further away than I need to

[strong forum]

never

well last boss

you always stack up infron of the old shit he dropped

then you go clock wise or counter-clockwise

[maiden ravine]

that's what I was doing

[strong forum]

so he always shits into old shit

[maiden ravine]

"KITE" he kept yelling

[strong forum]

honeslty

best thing to do

is prolly add people that did decent in your pugs

and then invite them later on for more

[sweet summit]

this is what people do to me

[maiden ravine]

I'm terrible with doing that cause I play at such random times

[strong forum]

just need more people then 😉

[maiden ravine]

just two more dungeons to have a baseline score at least

[sweet summit]

go get em champ

[maiden ravine]

So Underrot you always do an obelisk with boss?

[strong forum]

not required

always depends

we didnt this week

[maiden ravine]

you can though if people mess up a skip and you don't need the extra trash

[strong forum]

we played the tower on top right infront of last boss, down to the bottom left on last boss

then took that portal to the door

[sweet summit]

this is what i do rn

[strong forum]

you can skip that 4 pack in the beginning

[maiden ravine]

I guess skipping the fear guys may be better than the tunnel after second boss

[strong forum]

you do maggot + ticks

then obelisk into first boss

and you do instead the 3 lashers infront of 2nd boss

[sweet summit]

just doing that pack because its easy and makes for a early hero

[maiden ravine]

I tried to do that but my group just killed it haha

[strong forum]

mh i guess

well thats shit pugs

[maiden ravine]

yeah

[strong forum]

if they literally kill obelisk insta

[maiden ravine]

welcome to Alliance

[strong forum]

na has nothing to do with faction

[sweet summit]

im alliance wdym

[strong forum]

i wish was alliance

[maiden ravine]

I'm just used to alliance players not being as serious lately

[sweet summit]

depends on what you mean by serious

[strong forum]

well

on lower skill / rio levels

people are not as serious

[sweet summit]

there are definitely good players that play alliance

[strong forum]

it picks up around 15+ keys when people start developing a brain

[maiden ravine]

getting into 15s is hard

[strong forum]

ye.

[sick sentinel]

You def don't need to do slime pack

just do it with last boss

and just ignore those 3 mobs

[maiden ravine]

😦 only got 85 points for that 11 cause of how much over we did it

[sick sentinel]

takes way longer than it should

[strong forum]

blob is one of the better to do with boss ye

[sweet summit]

i can yea

but im not doing keys high enough for that to matter at the moment

just farming 15s for gear

[sick sentinel]

https://prnt.sc/qzjwep

it makes it 100x easier

not doing it

[maiden ravine]

"farming 15s for gear" is something a lot of people can't do haha

[strong forum]

tru

[maiden ravine]

how do you get past the maggot at the start?

[sweet summit]

sap/imprison

[maiden ravine]

is there enough space to walk past the maggot/bloodswarmer pack?

[sweet summit]

you dont have to, you can walk almost ontop of the maggot when its CCed

and just pull the matron ontop of the 3pack

[maiden ravine]

I mean after first boss

[sweet summit]

oh

yea you can

or you can shroud if you're unsure

[maiden ravine]

eh, shroud is rare these days

I think I've seen 2 rogues in last 20 dungeons?

[sweet summit]

well, on non teeming weeks its pretty easy

teeming weeks makes it a bit hard to skip without shroud

[strong forum]

fuck rogues

[sharp night]

slime with last boss seems pretty iffy when you have to dodge puddles on top of dodging goop and placing boss, esp if the slime poops where people need to be standing

[maiden ravine]

I probably wouldn't do it on high keys, but under 15 on a fort week it was easy enough

a lot of people do the caster one instead

since there's nothing else to interrupt on that boss

[sharp night]

yeah spider with last boss is ez

[sweet summit]

i accidentally did fearguy and spider on last boss FH today

went fine

can probably do all 4 with last boss 👀

[sharp night]

that sounds ultrasketch

[strong forum]

MDI double UH DK+lust

easily blown up

throw a fire mage in there or something

[sharp night]

getting feared into the trash pack

[sweet summit]

with an extra trash pack

or two

cant wait to see mdi this season

[sharp night]

if you clear that entire island maybe

although realistically you'd never want to skip tankbuster anyway since he lets you skip to first boss

[sweet summit]

doesnt he swap with some weeks?

[sharp night]

first and last pillar are always the same

[sweet summit]

i swear the blob was there the first week

hmm

[sharp night]

i'll doublecheck but in most dungeons that's how it seems

it's the "middle 2" pillars that generally swap

in the A/B rotation

[maiden ravine]

so many affix weeks right now that make me go yuck

[sweet summit]

i thought is was brutal and defiled that swapped

[sharp night]

no, it's dependent on the dungeon

[sweet summit]

oh really

[sharp night]

yeah

[sweet summit]

heck

[sharp night]

like in waycrest it's slime and fear guy that swap

[sweet summit]

even more to remember

[sharp night]

you might be right though

for freehold

[maiden ravine]

like do we really need a Fort/Teeming week. 😄

Like at least it's quaking and not anything else

[sharp night]

but anyway you don't want to skip the first pillar because you get the skip to first boss

[sweet summit]

yea

[maiden ravine]

I never want to do Freehold under 10 again

[sweet summit]

ahaha same

[maiden ravine]

it was literally a joke

[sharp night]

doing most dungeons under 10 is a pain now compared to with pillars

[sweet summit]

i agree

[sharp night]

AD is like the only exception

[sweet summit]

9s are harder than 10s now

fuck AD pillar placement

[sharp night]

and i say this

despite having both a hunter and rogue in my regular group who can feign/vanish pull away from pillars

so we can actually skip every single bad pack in AD

[sweet summit]

that middle pack is fine on non necro/sanguine weeks tbh

just snap them and its almost free

[sharp night]

also yeah you are right it was slime the first week i guess, didn't have a fh key on opening week

past 2 weeks have been B rotation

[maiden ravine]

Temple is interesting in that you can't really skip that much, but at least skipping the stairs on sang week is great

[sharp night]

we skip a lot in temple wdym

[sweet summit]

oh ok good, thought my memory was fucked for a sec there

[sharp night]

all 4 pillars are used for a skip

[sweet summit]

temple is pretty nice with pillars

[maiden ravine]

what's the pillar before the third boss used to skip?

[sharp night]

1st skips ramp to first boss, 2nd skips ramp to 2nd boss, 3rd skips the entire orb garbage, and last skips ramp to last boss

[sweet summit]

to eye room

[sharp night]

you do 3rd after boss

[maiden ravine]

ah, the orbs

[sharp night]

and skip all the way to the eyes

[sweet summit]

you dont have to deal with the knockback slow on bridge

[sharp night]

and skip the guy guarding the orbs too because he sucks and is slow to kill solo

[maiden ravine]

the spark channeler?

[sharp night]

yeah

[sweet summit]

ye

[sharp night]

he has a ton of hp and is a single mob so it's a waste of time

[maiden ravine]

he's 11 count on his own, that's why

[sharp night]

11 count that isn't worth it when you get 100% count without him anyway by doing aoe packs that take less time

[maiden ravine]

so you do the snake pack after first boss then skip to snake boss room?

[sharp night]

no

[sweet summit]

you could shroud the rider on the bridge

[sharp night]

yeah that ^

well

sorta

we don't do both riders

[maiden ravine]

okay, yeah, that's what I had but I'm missing trash with that set up there

[sharp night]

we shroud the rider after first boss

and pull the one on the 2nd boss bridge

[sweet summit]

i have one ToS route with shroud and one without xd

[sharp night]

if you don't have a rogue you can skip the 2nd one instead

and pull just the first one

a little slower that way though

[sweet summit]

yea

[maiden ravine]

so it's either kill the snake pack, the channeler, or you kill the hexxar group right before the last boss?

or am I missing an easy pull at the start

[sharp night]

you kill the entire last bridge

but you pull it with the boss once you have the buff

so you skip to boss, do the boss

[maiden ravine]

okay

[sharp night]

then on final phase, send a dps out to gather all of them

and aoe the shit out of them with 200% haste buff or whatever it is

[sweet summit]

^

thats the 2nd most fun part about temple

[maiden ravine]

okay, 101%

[sweet summit]

ye

thats fine

[sharp night]

yea you won't save any time by doing like 3 less count or whatever 1% is lol

[maiden ravine]

does require you to get the stealth one before first boss

[mint cape]

Any tips on how to survive Zul in KR this week in mediocre groups? I rotate through every CD i have and still die

[sharp night]

you can't skip it

because it patrols

[maiden ravine]

yeah

[sweet summit]

you always get the stalker

[sharp night]

so it'd agro during boss anyway

zul is pretty much save lust and all cds

and then kite if you need

not much else you can do

[maiden ravine]

hmm, so the brutal ob is the one you wanna kite the longest, interesting

[mint cape]

Where do you kite him? to the bridge or into the bossroom?

[sharp night]

to bridge yeah

[sweet summit]

whereever you dont have other trash packs

[sharp night]

if you're more than 60 yds away he just runs after you and doesn't cast

you can't kite into boss room

the gate is locked

[mint cape]

kk il do that once my avatar shout + shieldwall is down

ah yeah, forgot

[sharp night]

unless you mean 3rd boss room but with the pillars you probably skipped those last 2 packs anyway

[mint cape]

yeah i do

[sharp night]

so you just kite to bridge and keep going

[mint cape]

Thanks, in low dmg grps ive just been getting raped

[exotic rapids]

What`s your average SB uptime you achieve in M+? Overall?

[maiden ravine]

one more dungeon and I get over 1k which is nothing, but a lot of people don't have yet

[left hatch]

don't look at SB uptime, look at % hits blocked

because using LS/Bolster won't factor into SB uptime

[maiden ravine]

It's kinda silly looking at rio and seeing just how much less people do Shrine

[sharp night]

shrine just has a stigma against it because it was difficult early in the expansion

and because it's more heavily group reliant

[maiden ravine]

Junkyard is being ran a lot less than Workshop which is interesting too

Junkyard doesn't feel hard at all

[sharp night]

workshop is the freest key on fort that's why

you can wipe a couple times and still easily make timer

like upper kara from legion

[maiden ravine]

even with that

[sick sentinel]

workshop is easy on both tyran and fort

it's undertuned

massively

only hard boss is first boss

[sharp night]

it's not

[maiden ravine]

I'd say garden boss is harder

[sick sentinel]

Garden boss is hella easy

It's literally just using your eyes

and moving

[sharp night]

shock bots contribute a lot but i don't think it's undertuned at all

[sick sentinel]

Shock bots?

We're talkig about workshop

talking*

[maiden ravine]

alrighty! +11 WM

[sharp night]

oh yeah i misread

workshop isn't undertuned at all lol

[maiden ravine]

Waycrest doesn't seem skip heavy

[sick sentinel]

it is skip heavy

[sharp night]

depends on your route

if you get right side you can skip the first area which is nice

if you get left side then there's nothing to skip

although i've run like 10 waycrest this season and only seen topleft

[sick sentinel]

Top right is hella toxic

Bottom right is the easiest route

[sharp night]

no way

top left is by far the easiest/most efficient

[sick sentinel]

No

Gross

Not rn it's not

you back track with top left

a lot

[sharp night]

bottom right you end up over percentage by so much unless you skip all the way outside with first pillar and then clear back

how so?

[sick sentinel]

You don't get over %

[sharp night]

you never backtrack topleft

[sick sentinel]

Yes

you obviously do

[sharp night]

????

[warm plinth]

Yeah I think you might be mistaken. What are you backtracking on??

[sick sentinel]

The route in general

going top left

[sharp night]

how

where

[sick sentinel]

Use your brain

[warm plinth]

Don't insult people; tell us where you backtrack

[sick sentinel]

The entire dungeon

you literally have to go backwards after

going top left

even the best people are saying bottom right is better in most affixes

[sharp night]

top left was considered the only good route for the entire expansion up until now

[sick sentinel]

Last season

[sharp night]

because you can now skip the hunter's hall with a pillar

[sick sentinel]

people liked bottom right as well

It's just the stigma

of everyone staying their ways

[warm plinth]

Explain. Because we literally never backtrack on top left. You go down to sisters, out to the courtyard, kill Raal, go downstairs, done

[sharp night]

but you literally don't backtrack ANYWHERE on top left

[sick sentinel]

and people don't explore

[sharp night]

idk what you're talking about

[sick sentinel]

yes

you do

[tame garden]

Bottom right was considered as good as top left last season yes. But I dont get the backtracking comment

[warm plinth]

I literally just told you how you do top left. Where's the backtrack?

[sick sentinel]

Do a key

and compare

yourself

[tame garden]

Bro

[warm plinth]

We literally just did one lul

Like, this week

[tame garden]

Just fucking tell us

[sick sentinel]

Do both bottom right

[warm plinth]

And we did not backtrack

[sick sentinel]

and bottom left

err

top left*

[warm plinth]

We're not talking about bottom right

[tame garden]

Where the backtracking is

[sick sentinel]

Yes

we are

[tame garden]

Tell us please

[warm plinth]

We're talking about top left

[sick sentinel]

Compare the speeds

[sharp night]

there's zero backtracking

[warm plinth]

We aren't talking about speed. You said you had to backtrack if you went top left. You don't.

[sick sentinel]

Theres a lot of backtracking

with left

[tame garden]

Where

[sharp night]

name one place

just one

don't be all cryptic

[sick sentinel]

The entire dungeon

lol

you have to go back literally

[tame garden]

????????

[sharp night]

how the FUCK can you not give one example

stop trolling

[sick sentinel]

because you guys are clueless

[stark ruin]

Obvious troll is obvious?

[tame garden]

50 iq

[warm plinth]

Top left: You go to sisters, go out to courtyard, go to Raal, go downstairs, and you're done.

Where is the backtrack

[left hatch]

The entire part duh

4head

[warm plinth]

smfh

[left hatch]

its all a backtrack cause you've done it before in previous keys

obv

[tame garden]

Maybe he doesnt know you can go to basement from kitchen

[warm plinth]

lol

[tame garden]

4head

[sharp night]

you mean

the kitchen where there's a pillar

that you have to clear?

[warm plinth]

Maybe. Like last season you probably would have because there was a void there

But there's no backtrack this season, since you have to go there anyway

[tame garden]

@sick sentinel

Where is the backtrack

[errant widget]

Dear brain trust - I'm right to cleanse the bracers and run with the legs (EV) and weapon, right!?

[sharp night]

can you swap around gear instead?

remember you can't undo cleanse so

when EV gets nerfed in 3 days

[mortal brook]

deadly momentum getting buffed

[sharp night]

and crit gets buffed

you may want to swap back

[mortal brook]

to 30s duration so itll you know, actually stack

I'd wait until hotfix goes live and raidbots reflects changes then sim

[errant widget]

Is the EV nerf going to be that bad? I finally got a piece and wanted to join the cool kids D:

[sharp night]

50% nerf from current

so that'll be a 1% maxhp instead of 2%

[errant widget]

I do have some non-corruption bracers so can swap those in for now

[sharp night]

it'll still be a good choice, just not necessarily the best

[errant widget]

Ok cool, thanks for the wisdom guys

[high helm]

Quick question: I have 420 chest with deafening crash/bastion and got 445 chest with bastion/brace. Am i correct in assuming I keep the deafening if its my only copy of the trait?

[warm plinth]

Correct, you would keep the DC if it's your only one.

[high helm]

ok, thanks

[warm plinth]

Don't get rid of the chest though; you'll end up using it when you get another piece with DC

[high helm]

Oh yeah, wasn't going to do that.

[quartz mist]

void twisted titanshard worth to use ?

[sharp night]

no, it's awful

[maiden ravine]

I'm actually ready for EV to be nerfed

I have so many 460 boots

12 junkyard, woo, lets go shield

[iron raptor]

hey guys, hows it going. I'm new here.

[analog zinc]

hi friend

[warm plinth]

Hi printer

[iron raptor]

o/

you guys have any good resources for current season MDT strings? I am finding that as I get into higher keys I'm lacking knowledge in some commonly clustered pulls, etc.

[tame garden]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/ezz574/ive_seen_people_asking_for_expert_routes_for/

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/ezrnwa/mythic_plus_weekly_routes_season_4_week_4/

raider.io should start posting routes again soon now that the world first race is over

[exotic spoke]

I actually enjoy trying to figure them out myself it’s fun 🙂

[maiden ravine]

woot, got the junkyard shield

probably shit, but its 460 vs 430

[craggy harness]

i got the junkyard shield, and then the weekly gave me a better one with EV

so hope the same? 😛

but yeah, 460 all the way

[warm plinth]

Yeah ilevel is ilevel where shields are concerned. I'd be stoked for a Junkyard one

[maiden ravine]

Another key another toxic DH, it's the class I'm telling you

one mistake and they just tear you apart. I made a bad pull near the end of junkyard and we didn't time cause of it

then after the run he complained about the 435 hunter's dps

[craggy harness]

i think the saying: the player, not the class

applies here 😛

[maiden ravine]

well DH attracts that "player"

[craggy harness]

the cool classes attract the masses

[maiden ravine]

regardless, +12 done, I get something 470 on Tuesday, I can stop fretting

[craggy harness]

and the masses attract the flies

[maiden ravine]

I already know I have 0 chance of actually doing a +15 unless I pay for it

[warm plinth]

I'm a nice DH

🙂

[maiden ravine]

I'd probably be a good DH if I play mine more

It's amusing seeing 1.5k rating people selling runs

So on Junkyard I made the mistake of trying to go left first, oops

I'll just stick with right

[spark hamlet]

whats a good sub for strife cause i really dont want to pvp for it

[warm plinth]

What else do you have?

[royal rune]

Anyone using touch of the everlasting for mythic +??

[spark hamlet]

atm just got a fresh neck cause i was focused on my boomy for the last two tiers

[left hatch]

touch of everlasting is by far the worst of the new essences

Cheat death is only good if you're uncomfortable with raid content/learning it or know specifically what you're using it for to 'cheat' a mechanic

[warm plinth]

Well, honestly C&S is amazing, and if you can stand to at least get like 1400 rating in 2s, that's all the PvP you have to do. After that it's just capping conquest each week, which you can do without PvPing.

[left hatch]

otherwise yo'ure giving up tools that actively reduce your damage taken and increase output because of a "guess I'll die" mentality

and the minor is dogshit

woo a 9s shieldblock instead of a 6s one once a minute

very big impact

[warm plinth]

But that being said, the essences we recommend are Vision major, C&S/Lucid/Sphere/Aegis/Formless Void. If you're hellbent against C&S, pick another one.

Sphere requires PvP but very little since you really only have to have Rank 1

[spark hamlet]

its after being on the druid for the past two tiers and that damn essences being like bis for all specs im a bit burned out however if its still one of the bis ill suck it up and go arms for a bit

[left hatch]

CnS is our best minor

[sharp night]

i don't think cns will ever not be bis for pretty much every spec

it's literally just a flat vers increase that has near 100% uptime

[warm plinth]

440 vers with essentially 100% uptime is insane

[royal rune]

Anyone goes fury pvp?

[sharp night]

even more than 440 now

i think it's like 480 at 80 neck?

[royal rune]

I'll need to learn arms spec

[left hatch]

is there any news on essences scaling beyond 80

[warm plinth]

They stop at 80

[left hatch]

cause thatll besuper exciting if it does

rip

[spark hamlet]

did it on the druid with bear cheese and anima but dont think the warrior can do that cheese very well

[left hatch]

the difference isn't 'cheese'

its that VoP is just so damn strong on warrior

that it makes anima major irrelevent

[warm plinth]

Yeah maybe 480 at 80. I'm at 464 at 77

So it'll be something like that

[sharp night]

AP would be a requirement to farm if essences scaled past 80

instead of just being a small stat bonus lol

[left hatch]

would give me a reaons to log in outside keys/raid

as is im about to hit 80 so there goes world content

[sharp night]

i'd personally rather have the free time not feeling like i'm obliged to login and farm wqs and stuff so i can get more cdr on vop or something

[left hatch]

thats fair, idk i just still have a bad stigma from WoD days

where there was literally nothing to do besides raid

M+ and an infinite grind gave me things to do, since im not an Alt person

[craggy harness]

ugh, i must be doing this wrong, how do you use warcraft logs to see what you cast in the seconds before an event, without manually scrolling to that time

[sharp night]

click casts -> player filtered by time?

[warm plinth]

What kind of event?

[craggy harness]

stuff i'm supposed to use defensives for

say searing breathing by wrath

[sharp night]

the event should show what buffs you had up at the time too

[warm plinth]

You can see what defensives you have up for a given damage event

Just go to Damage Taken > Events

And it'll show you what buffs were active when you took the damage

[craggy harness]

oh, hmm, i've been going to casts and abilities

[orchid halo]

Just reading previous messages, in C&S rank 1 worth using as minor?

[warm plinth]

The icons on the right are the buffs you had active during the event. You can hover over it to see what buff.

[craggy harness]

tnx, rusty

[warm plinth]

Other essences will be better than C&S if you only have R1

Not only does it not stack as high, but it also becomes fairly easy to drop the buff since it lasts for 6 less seconds.

[sharp night]

that said, it's near impossible not to get r2 right away

you cannot lose rating below 1000 and that's all you need for r2

even if you somehow manage to lose 99 games out of 100 you will still eventually reach 1k

[spark hamlet]

sadly i only have VOP rank 2 and flame rank 2 warden rank 1 and touch rank 1 so thats why i was looking at which essences i need to suck it up and push to get this weekend

[left hatch]

VoP is worth using even at r2 as a major

[spark hamlet]

oh i am i worked at getting that one first once i said im going to be chaning to my warrior

[left hatch]

remember to do naj stuff to, since Lucid is still time gated

[spark hamlet]

using my main to farm pearls and send over the rep tokens and working on Naj every weekend i come home

[plucky grotto]

okay night owls, do you guys think the boe shield from the raid is worth getting with 5% leech for m+ or na? 😄

[left hatch]

leech isn't worth ilvl

but if its your highest go forit

leech also isn't worth the corruption if you have better options

[plucky grotto]

idk what corruption i should aim for as a tank in m+

[left hatch]

Damage procs like TD

stat procs are ok, especially after tuesday Void ritual

and then stat %'s

[maiden ravine]

I'm doing VoP major, and my minors are SotW, CnS, and Nullification right now.

[left hatch]

Null isn't worth it in M+

[plucky grotto]

intresting, i do have td legs but kinda rip atm in high m+ running td legs and empire's dream mythic vertion hmm

[left hatch]

and shield is only good if you need resistance and don't don't coordinate formless

[maiden ravine]

really? it seems to decent damage and healing

[left hatch]

1. don't look at hps

2. its a static absorb

[maiden ravine]

I mean just overall healing

[left hatch]

yes.... do'nt use that as a metric for tankiness

[maiden ravine]

okay

[left hatch]

so the issue with null is that it doesn't scale with pull size

doesn't matter if its a boss or 20 mobs, itll still just absorb that flat amount

[plucky grotto]

good question sinse you said it, what essences do you guys run in m+? seen ppl running VoP /memory as major

[left hatch]

and for the damage of it, it has a number of issues in M+

the first being you won't proc it on CD like you're able to in raid

so that 2-3k dps you get from it in raid isn't as consistent a boon

and like the absorb it will never scale with pull size

where stat essences like aeigs, CnS, sphere etc will give you proportionally more damage the more you pull and reduce more the higher content you reach

[maiden ravine]

does world vein minor do anything for us if the entire group is going it?

[left hatch]

so any way you play it it ends up being a waste, you either go through a dungeon normally and it provides 0 value for 70+% of the dungeon

or you start doing stupid things like missing kicks or standing in eye to consistently pop it, and wasting the absorb component for a damage proc thats outscaled by most other minors in 3+ targets

mmmm it CAN pump. but its cancer to use

esp on sanguine week with the constantly movement

[maiden ravine]

Strength of the Warden is pretty consistent self healing, but I guess it's probably not as good as sphere's haste and slow?

[left hatch]

its consistent, but a lot of it results in overhealing and is wasted

[maiden ravine]

I'm a bit hesitant to run sphere right now with needing to move things out of sang

[left hatch]

the largest portion of it stacks up in between pulls -> you make a pull topped off, parry right away and boom

you just wasted all that self healing

it caps at 30% so its really not an issue on sanguine

the issue with sanguine is casters planting their butts or mistimed stuns

[maiden ravine]

endurance did about half of ignore pain's absorb even after overhealing haha

[left hatch]

in exchange for higher uptime on SB and more IP's

why healing is a bad metric for prot

the vast majority of our tankiness is in block which won't appear

and % reductions from things like mastery and verse

[maiden ravine]

I think I'm already up to near 100% uptime on SB

[left hatch]

unless you have 140% haste thats impossible

[maiden ravine]

oh, getting recharge timer confused

[left hatch]

if you wanna look at a good metric for tankiness look at % hits blocked across your run

[maiden ravine]

50% uptime then, I'm around 35-40% haste in combat

[left hatch]

cause even uptime % isn't a great thing to fixate on

cause LS/bolster throws off that metric

and of course the healing recieved from Warden is also static, it will never scale with pull size or content

where all our secondary's do have that scaling

[maiden ravine]

hah, overload does like no damage

not bad absorbs