protection

[sick sentinel]

I now take the crit azerite traits over OP for fury

[analog zinc]

i literally asked in /2 "Any Plate wanna make 20k real quick" & got 4 plate in there to guarantee me the trade

[strong forum]

OH NO

[tame garden]

Omg lmao

[sick sentinel]

Because they nerfed OP to not be OP

[strong forum]

THEY CHANGED 1 THING

OGNP

RAGE

[sick sentinel]

They changed more

[tame garden]

Completely irrelevant

Which one you take

Will change nothing ever

[strong forum]

my guy youre blowing everything out of proportion

just to be salty

[hallow phoenix]

@analog zinc tell us what you get

[strong forum]

take a step back

[analog zinc]

i just shown you lol

[hallow phoenix]

Oh

[analog zinc]

desert guardian

[exotic spoke]

He got desert guardian

[analog zinc]

BoM ;o

[hallow phoenix]

Noice

[exotic spoke]

It’s solid for prot. Definitely usable 🙂

[analog zinc]

now what to run for the other traits

[strong forum]

DC + BOM + Blood Siphon + Gemhide

[exotic spoke]

I had DC in helm so I took the unique trait it had

[sick sentinel]

Idk they should just delete passives crap like azerite traits, essences, corruption in shadowlands

[analog zinc]

DC / Bloodsport on helm
DC / Callous on chest
which should I take?

[sick sentinel]

Or only permit something like corruption but better

[strong forum]

Bloodsport on helm

DC on chest

[analog zinc]

or rather whats better, BS or callous

thanks

[strong forum]

fuck CR

and fuck double DC

[warm plinth]

I mean, all of those things will be gone in Shadowlands XD

[strong forum]

^

[analog zinc]

yeah the leech is gonna be helpful

[strong forum]

...

[sick sentinel]

That’s not 100% true

[exotic spoke]

Wait was thinking of the wrong thing

[analog zinc]

what do i take for middle trait?

[strong forum]

wheremstve

[sick sentinel]

They said corruption will determine if they go forward with a system like this in shadow

[analog zinc]

globules, blood siphon or carapace?

[strong forum]

Corruption will be gone after S4

they are looking to replace it

AGAIN

[warm plinth]

They said specifically that corruption was not going to stay

[strong forum]

my guy

there will be a new system

again

[warm plinth]

They may have something else to replace it, sure. But corruption will not exist.

[sick sentinel]

But a system like corruption will exist

[analog zinc]

corruption isn't gonna stay, but it may influence new system

[sick sentinel]

Do you guys wanna go through an annoying AF system each season?

[strong forum]

i cba

im out

[exotic spoke]

I picked DC I’m delusional 🙂

[strong forum]

peace

this is annoying as shit

[analog zinc]

would you go with blood siphon or azerite globules?

[sick sentinel]

Neither

[strong forum]

Globules is damgur

[sick sentinel]

Link your piece

[analog zinc]

scroll up

[sick sentinel]

Globules is lost dps if target dies

[warm plinth]

Globules is kinda meh though

[strong forum]

it is

[exotic spoke]

BS

[strong forum]

but so is bloodsiphon

both suck

[tame garden]

Ty prot chat I had too many braincells

[warm plinth]

You know who isn't meh?

@flat jackal

[sick sentinel]

Link your raidbots

[analog zinc]

i'll go with blood siphon for the leech

[sick sentinel]

I’ll show you what to pick

[warm plinth]

@outer dew

rather

Sorry other Tofu. I swear I picked the right one.

[exotic spoke]

He linked the item. Lol

[warm plinth]

Why are we talking about leech again x_x

[analog zinc]

nice

[sick sentinel]

@analog zinc I would go clap/mastery with avatar/defense inner

Or the haste one

They’re both about meh

Someone say leech

Globules is shit tho

[tame garden]

Hawgz 👋

[sick sentinel]

HELLO

[exotic spoke]

Hi hawgz

[sick sentinel]

This seems like an angry conversation

Is that the mechagon shield? ☹️

I wasn’t angry, just passionate

Have you tried not caring

[exotic spoke]

Please hawgz

[sick sentinel]

Angery ≠ passionate

[tame garden]

I'm angry

😠

[warm plinth]

Hi Hawgz

[sick sentinel]

Lol yes but when I spend a lot of time doing something I don’t like my time spent tossed out the window

[exotic spoke]

:rooHug:

[warm plinth]

Elitist jerk in the house

[exotic spoke]

Damn you Clyde

[sick sentinel]

Which is kinda what I feel lately haha

[warm plinth]

Nice emoji

[analog zinc]

:happybear:

:<

[sick sentinel]

[exotic spoke]

It was obvious TD and EV needed nerfs. If you can’t see that I’m sorry. I’m done talking about it. But HP based attacks on tanks approaching 1M hp is legit terrible game design and not healthy for the game.

[sick sentinel]

Oh they are broken af is that what this is about

[tame garden]

Yes

[exotic spoke]

Yes

[analog zinc]

no they're balanced keep them as is please

i wanna do dps :<

[sick sentinel]

Can’t complain about nerf if never got to experience the corruption

[tame garden]

^

This is a gamer move

[sick sentinel]

I try to keep my expectations as low as possible

This way i am either indifferent or pleasantly surprised. Never sad

“EV got nerfed”

Were done with that convo now riki

“Excellent now I don’t have to do as much damage”

[exotic spoke]

Time to throw gold at my problem when I get home and buy a mythic shield

[sick sentinel]

Find me one with good corruption and I’ll move to the server and buy it

[tame garden]

😦 I tried to hook riki up but it fell through

[sick sentinel]

Or maybe I’ll get a shield when I kill ilgynoth in 3 months lul

[tame garden]

Healer dropped 475 t3 echoing void shield boe in my raid last night

Ended up equipping it

[exotic spoke]

I don’t even care if I had to cleanse that off of it. Id still buy it

[tame garden]

I tried 😭

[sick sentinel]

Wait

Your

Healer

Equipped it

[exotic spoke]

Pumping damage by standing in melee

You know what sucks Speg?

[sick sentinel]

WHEN HEALERS EQUIP YOUR SHIELD HAHA

[exotic spoke]

Checked AH before I went to bed - zero 475 shields up

[warm plinth]

Probably couldn't have traded anyway

Oh wait

BoE

[exotic spoke]

Go to work and find out there’s one for 1.4M and someone is buying it and traNsferring it off server

That you know

[sick sentinel]

I hate everything

[modern brook]

I guess it makes sense that spegs healer is a sped

[tame garden]

Said he didnt need the gold

🤷‍♂️

[warm plinth]

smh

[outer dew]

@warm plinth leech #1

Ghash #0

😂

[exotic spoke]

Was willing to pay 2.5 for it

[modern brook]

Tofu no

:^(

[strong forum]

theres 475 for 5mil up on my server

475 ring "only" 500k

[exotic spoke]

I’m set on rings for a while. Please no more rings from weekly cache

[strong forum]

can i stop getting shit corruptions from weekly kthx

[elfin mortar]

hello everyone im sure you guys have heard this a million times but how hard is it to get into tanking? considering swapping an alt from fury to prot.

[strong forum]

depends on your indivdual skill

[broken stratus]

somehow i prefer titian forging than corruption. the RNG there did not matter that much

[strong forum]

theres no real answer to it

i found it incredibly easy

[delicate ruin]

What essence combo should I use for maximum survivability in M+?

[warm plinth]

Define shit corruption

[strong forum]

Vop Major
Cns/sphere/aegis/lucid minor

[west galleon]

3% leech qualify as a shit corruption

:^)

[elfin mortar]

i guess ill just have to give it a try then.

[strong forum]

running anything else but what i listed Anh is not worth running unless you know 100% what youre doing

[elfin mortar]

any addons for threat?

[warm plinth]

Don't forget formless void if you need resistance

[tame garden]

Tanking is easy just gotta be able to flame your party so they never think to blame you for wipes

[strong forum]

Just get proper Nameplates, Aggro addons are a thing of the past

unless you raid and your cotank does 10k dps

🙂

in which case, consider kicking your cotank

[exotic spoke]

^^

[sick sentinel]

@elfin mortar threatplates is BIS

[strong forum]

Plater is better

[sick sentinel]

Wrong

[strong forum]

Facts

[sick sentinel]

But you’re entitled to your opinions

[elfin mortar]

yeah just plan on running m+ after i gear and feel more comfortable.

[analog zinc]

kuinameplates bis

[tame garden]

I still use threatplates but afaik plater is current meta

[strong forum]

Objectively, Plater is the better Addon.

You can be used to what you are using nothing wrong with that

Default works too

[analog zinc]

u right plater is objectively bis

[strong forum]

Much like Details ( which has the same developer as plater ) is the best Damage Meter, Skada and Recount work perfectly too, but its objectively better

[sick sentinel]

I like the customizability of threatplates

[strong forum]

wait till you see plater

[sick sentinel]

Idk I heard people having issues with plater

[strong forum]

Think about what you like about details, and that you can literally change everything

now imagine the same thing with nameplates, but 10x

thats plater

literally the same developer

[warm plinth]

What kind of issues

[modern brook]

Plater is a ui?

[strong forum]

and same developer as world quest list ( which i personally dont like the visual of it )

[warm plinth]

It's a nameplate addon

[strong forum]

Plater is just a nameplate addon

[modern brook]

And a nameplate is...

[strong forum]

.

[analog zinc]

the plate over npc names

[strong forum]

that thing that shows HP over people

[warm plinth]

Those are nameplates

[strong forum]

that bar

[modern brook]

Oh

[strong forum]

thats a nameplate

[modern brook]

🐒 🐒

[strong forum]

manki

[distant crystal]

I was there when Bullfango learned what a nameplate is

[strong forum]

make a facepook post about it

so it reminds you in a couple years

[distant crystal]

imagine having a facebook

[strong forum]

although, itll prolly go down in history

no need for social mediuh

nowadays i just use facebook for quick logins

[elfin mortar]

ty for advice guys.

[strong forum]

but hey

atleast youre the oldest youve ever been!

[distant crystal]

i'm the oldest anyone in this discord's ever been

[strong forum]

you dont know me

maybe ive been with a cougar

[distant crystal]

been, not been with

you perv

[strong forum]

gotta make a living somehow

also im almost certain theres people older than 40 in this disc

[sick sentinel]

Does plater use a lot of memory like details/WA?

So far both addons are the biggest memory culprits

But I do like what I’m seeing (specifically being able to customize casts)

One issue I have is being able to customize interruptible casts over non interruptible casts on bars within threatplates

I’m 46

[craggy harness]

EV nerf to 50% coming hmm

[opal escarp]

is there such a thing as too much haste?

[craggy harness]

as long as you aren't sacrificing ilvl for it

in the general sense.

[sick sentinel]

See sometimes it’s difficult to see the cast bars

[craggy harness]

make it taller 😛

25% of screen height 😛

[exotic spoke]

EV nerfed by about 50%

Interesting

[tame garden]

Bless

[alpine mantle]

Any sims on what is the best for us corruption wise?

[tame garden]

Fuck you ev

[grim estuary]

will EV still be worth 😮 ?

[exotic spoke]

It won’t be god tier on everything

[sick sentinel]

It’ll be good in aoe

How much corruption even is rank 3?

[warm plinth]

It will be the same in AoE as it is in ST. It does exactly the same damage regardless of the scenario.

[grim estuary]

60 i think

[alpine mantle]

Still our most preferred? Or do we have that data yet?

[tame garden]

Considering the notes went up minutes ago

Do you think ppl simmed it yet

[sick sentinel]

The reason it’ll be good in AOE Is because other corruption effects are not great in AOE in general

Except TD

[tame garden]

Td is new king

Praise

[sick sentinel]

It was king before if you got good procs

[tame garden]

Td is more king

Praise

[sick sentinel]

So stars will be ST, echo is both, TD AOE

Balance 😄

[zenith vigil]

i got TD and all i do is m+

so gang gang

[sick sentinel]

Praise the sun

[wheat talon]

what about gushing wound?

[zenith vigil]

how do you tell what uh

level it is

can you in vanilla client?

[sick sentinel]

I think gushing is better in ST?

But I don’t have a high piece with it

[wheat talon]

it sims really well in multi target too, but I also don't have a piece

[grim estuary]

TD will be nerfed too

they already said that

[wheat talon]

did they?

[grim estuary]

yes

they said EV will be nerfed and they are thinking about nerfing TD

something like that

[wheat talon]

yeah they said they might

that doesn't mean they will

[craggy harness]

blue post in last 20 minutes

[grim estuary]

y when Td is king they will for sure

[sick sentinel]

@grim estuary they did not say that. They said they’re looking at TD.

They didn’t say they’re specifically nerfing it.

[deft socket]

Lol, whats the point if corruption if they are just nerfing it to the ground

[grim estuary]

true

[wheat talon]

I don't think TD is that far out of line

[sick sentinel]

What’s the point of anything if nothing matters?

[craggy harness]

the worst part is, no one is going to care if corruption is perfectly balanced 4 weeks before shadowlands

[sick sentinel]

Same

Mega same

[craggy harness]

all we'll remember is getting an op and exciting set of things

and being disappointed 3 weeks later

[wheat talon]

I mean, if they get it balanced within a couple weeks it'll be fine, it's not like the standard person has a whole lot of decent corrupts yet

[exotic spoke]

As people get more it’ll feel better too.

[tame garden]

Yeah it's not like were halfway through the patch lol

[exotic spoke]

Then you get options and can mess around with combinations. Same with more corruption resistance

[tame garden]

Its week2 mythic

[exotic spoke]

Week 2 of mythic 🙂

[alpine mantle]

I got searing flame on a sword. I may test it compared to ev

[sterile mantle]

Wow EV got hit hard lol

[wheat talon]

any thoughts on the new void ritual? it doesn't look like it's going to sim out to a huge amount of dps, but it has a fair bit of defensive value

[sterile mantle]

How is it defensive

It's all dmg lol

[wheat talon]

all the stats give defensive value?

even crit gives parry

oh

wait

I typed wrong

[exotic spoke]

That’s VR

[sterile mantle]

Ev is just straight dmg lol

[sick sentinel]

@alpine mantle searing takes 30 GCD’s to proc lmao

[wheat talon]

yeah I just typed wrong

[sick sentinel]

It’s very bad

[wheat talon]

I meant void ritual

[sick sentinel]

Unless it’s your best don’t rely on it

[sterile mantle]

Eh VR probably will still suck

[exotic spoke]

@ionic fern with the fixes to ineffable truth is it better now?

[sick sentinel]

for prot probably

Not other specs tho. Fury likes all stats except str lmao

[sterile mantle]

Will have to see new numbers to see of it's worth keeping

[exotic spoke]

Easy. Double old numbers 🙂

[sterile mantle]

I'll probably hope for the Verse and haste ones now

[exotic spoke]

Nah, TD, EV. IS still so strong in different situations

[sterile mantle]

Im mainly looking at raiding

[exotic spoke]

I stand by my statement even more

Raiding typically would be IS except for a few fights (like hivemind) where you want AoE

[grim estuary]

so still EV over VR?

[exotic spoke]

Situationally it’ll depend. Hard to say.

[alpine mantle]

@sick sentinel thanks! I have ev still

[sick sentinel]

I’d just wait it out to sim tbh

Just because i experienced something yesterday or days before doesn’t mean it’s the same today apparently lol

[wary lantern]

Shield is ilvl, socket doesnt matter, right?

[alpine mantle]

Safe to cleanse searing?

[warm plinth]

Shield is ilvl, socket doesnt matter, right?
@wary lantern Correct

[wary lantern]

kk,ty

[strong forum]

BRUH

for 2.2mil on AH

HOW THE FUCK

I NEED 1mil

who loans me 1 mil

[sick sentinel]

475

das pretty good

[strong forum]

thats so cheap

[hushed cobalt]

Is that 1.2% after nerf...?

[deft socket]

Pre

[strong forum]

pre nerf

[sick sentinel]

Safe to cleanse searing?
@alpine mantle I wanna say yes. I did because I have TD wrists.

[warm plinth]

No, that's R2 currently

[pulsar walrus]

are the nerfs live?

[strong forum]

not yet

[warm plinth]

No

Soon(TM)

[sick sentinel]

But tbh blizzard could buff it or reduce GCD’s to fire so who knows

Mine was a heroic one so I don’t care.

[warm plinth]

You know what the saddest thing ever is

[pulsar walrus]

I really hope Soon™️ = never

[warm plinth]

Turtleboi emissaries that don't give trinket/ring

[sick sentinel]

Turtle emissaries that don’t give AP. ☹️

[hushed cobalt]

A small loan of 1 meeellion golds

[sick sentinel]

Like why even have a turtle emissary lol

[exotic spoke]

What’s in it for me Nome?

[craggy harness]

pvp raid goblins and get your gold

[strong forum]

idk

i smile at you

😐

you can turn this into a smile

[sick sentinel]

anyone have good routes for m+ ?

[shut summit]

🙃

[strong forum]

nobody has "good" routes

mdi will present the good routes

most likely

[craggy harness]

except for workshop

[strong forum]

well yeah

[craggy harness]

😛

[analog zinc]

mdi routes can't be used in live keys

[strong forum]

thats pretty simple to figure out

well the best giga brain awakened skips will then be unveiled

[analog zinc]

ye

[strong forum]

cuz i for sure, wont find those out

and people will be gearing and raiding for a while

so no "#1 rio" people pushing

[tame garden]

Mdi they will do dumb rogue shit and multiple lieutenants at a time

[strong forum]

ye

blob and tank buster

or some shit

[analog zinc]

quad bosses with final boss 🙂

[tame garden]

Dear lord

[analog zinc]

they'll at least do 3

4 might be redic

[strong forum]

na 3 is too much

[analog zinc]

hmm

in mdi you basically always run caster & slime

tankbuster is hard to pull with those 2

as is fear add

a fear at the wrong time preventing you from kicking

yikes

[strong forum]

fear and caster is big think

tank and blob can be blown up

at reasonable levels if keys arent 20+

[analog zinc]

i think they might do all 4

you pull trash onto boss

run double unholy

just nuke literally everything before they do mechanics

AMS first fear

[strong forum]

could be a thing

[analog zinc]

tank pops CDs for first tankbuster

you can get first couple kicks easy

if you're pulling 2m dps you can just kill all them so fast

[hushed cobalt]

Does fort/tyr affect obelisk mini-bosses?

[analog zinc]

it effects adds

only necro & skitish effect the bosses (which necro is stupid)

[sweet summit]

BoE just dropped but a shaman yoinked it

[hushed cobalt]

Ah ty ty

[analog zinc]

your guild gave it to a shaman?

[sweet summit]

yea

[analog zinc]

did you already have a 475 shield?

[sweet summit]

445 🙂

[analog zinc]

call them a bunch of retards & gquit

[tame garden]

Lmaooo

[exotic spoke]

Depends on loot rules for the guild. If it goes to whomever loots it then Grats shaman who looted it

[tame garden]

Actual idiot guild

[sweet summit]

"prot is your off-spec you cant have it"

rip

[exotic spoke]

But also what they said cause that’s stupid

[grim estuary]

hm 🤔 funny BoE https://i.imgur.com/itlalot.png

[exotic spoke]

Oh it’s off spec

[tame garden]

Oh you arent main tank

[analog zinc]

oh

[tame garden]

Makes sense then

[sweet summit]

hehe yea

[analog zinc]

yeah makes sense

[tame garden]

Baited us

😠

[exotic spoke]

Yeah. Grats shaman suck it off spec

[sweet summit]

😉

[winged echo]

Hey, for dungeons do I use Aegis of the Deep r3 or Conflict and Stife r1 ?

[sweet summit]

aegis

[winged echo]

okay, thanks 🙂

[hoary viper]

Does anyone have a weak aura showing the CD on Sigil of Warding?

[sweet summit]

https://wago.io/Trinket/6

trinket slot 1

or 2 idk

[grim estuary]

is the EV nerf now live ?

[warm plinth]

No

[grim estuary]

ok

[leaden grail]

it is though

im in raid rn and it deals no dmg

[grim estuary]

?

[leaden grail]

or .. less dmg

[sweet summit]

bad rng?

[grim estuary]

i just finished the raid and it dealt tons of dmg 😄

[leaden grail]

😮

[grim estuary]

1,5m per trash pull for example

[leaden grail]

i mean on my co tanks monk both rushing jade wind and keg smash dealt more damage on trashpulls idk

[grim estuary]

what rank ?

i have rank 3

[leaden grail]

usually that was not the case

he's running something stupid like double r2 one r1

[grim estuary]

when his rank is 1 or 2 ofc is deals less

i guess

but i can sayright now i loose 8k DPS when switching EV 3 for VR 3

will check it tomorow and then we will see how much it changes

[leaden grail]

k, it is not live

[ivory barn]

Barrage sims higher than RNG, but is RNG better survival?

[sick sentinel]

I'd use barrage

[ivory barn]

trying to get the M Helm >.<

[sick sentinel]

Barrage only sims slightly higher in ST

RNG is BIS

#trust

guardian force rank 2 is better than nulle rank 1 ?

[lucid pendant]

Is the Ub3rspanner worth using in M+?

[jovial zodiac]

I have a question regarding the seasonal m+ affix.

In some videos, ive seen groups kill a miniboss, exit the shadowrealm to kill a boss. Then reentering the portal and run to next pillar inside the shadowrealm, and spawns it without clicking the pillar from the 'normal' world.

When i try it, the pillar inside the shadowrealm doesnt seem to be interactable from inside the shadowrealm. So whats tge trick to this?

[leaden grail]

one person has to be in the "real world" and trigger the miniboss

[distant crystal]

yeah i guess if you have a rogue or someone who can get to the pillar in the real world

that'd be a little faster

if there's trash near the pillar in the real world you have to deal with that somehow

[jovial zodiac]

Hmm, seems a hassle outside a coordinated premade then.

[sick sentinel]

guardian force rank 2 is better than nulle rank 2 for mm+ gues? ?

[exotic spoke]

Null isn’t really good at all for m+

[sick sentinel]

yes but rank2 don't dps

What is essence for mm+ ?

VoP + Aegis + Luciddream + ???

[exotic spoke]

Right. I’m saying don’t use null for m+

Aegis, lucid, CnS, sphere - pick three

If you need corruption Resistance use formless void

[sick sentinel]

CnS ?

a conflict

ok

[distant crystal]

what does formless void do for vop major

[sick sentinel]

nothing

[jovial zodiac]

Formless does nothing on passive majors

[sick sentinel]

Just use formless minor for free main stat/corrupt resist

[exotic spoke]

If your group has on use majors *

[sick sentinel]

Wait it doesn’t work with VOP procs?

[tame garden]

No

[strong forum]

So I did a dungeon with both TD t2 and EV t2

5.5k dps from EV
4.7k dps from TD

Given it was siege and thus not massivo pulls

Seems about aight

50 corruption after resistance tho...

Not very fun

[sick sentinel]

Just now or before nerf?

[sharp night]

nerf hasn't been implemented yet though? blizz only posted that they were going to do it "later today"

not that it's been done

[sick sentinel]

And are you calculating dps from details or WCL? WCL counts the whole dungeon as one encounter

[tame garden]

Well what mattered was the comparison

Not the actually numbers

[sharp night]

fairly certain with those numbers that EV hasn't been nerfed yet

[tame garden]

Hotfix is not live yet

[sharp night]

TD should outperform EV per point of corruption at 2 targets after the nerf

so cut that EV in half

[zenith vigil]

ugh

my two pieces have the choice of bloodsport and deafening crash

should i take 2 DC or 1 DC 1 BS

i know it doesnt stack but is it good enough nonstacking to outdo bloodspUrt

also, overwhelming power stacks or no

[mortal brook]

Haste stacks

[zenith vigil]

yeah but

the actual proc is stacks

so i didnt know if you can stack the procs

[undone sun]

yes, that's what steve means

the haste from each individual trait of OP stack on each other

[zenith vigil]

ah

so yeah its fine to stack

[undone sun]

yup, ideal to

[zenith vigil]

also, anybody know the answer to my previous question

[tame garden]

2nd DC is more dps

Bloodsport is defensive

Up to you

[tawny maple]

strength of the warden any good?

[sick sentinel]

nad

bad*

[analog zinc]

i run it cuz i need a CR essence & formless doesn't work very good with VoP (I run form in raid tho)

[distant crystal]

FV doesn't stack...right

[sweet summit]

wdym?

[distant crystal]

like if 19 people use their major you don't get 9500str

i presume...

(for the minor)

[sweet summit]

I havent tested it, i assume it has a cap tho

[sick sentinel]

some tanks doing 20 and 19 keys take strength of the warden not sure what to use 4th slot

[mortal brook]

It just refreshes

[sweet summit]

Wack

Wtb good tank specific essences thanks

[mortal brook]

They literally design to avoid that. Look at breath of the dying. "Hey guys, what if we straight improved cof, but also denied tanks access to it?"

[sinful stone]

using crit/haste legs instead of haste/versa simply because they have indestructible on them

fuck repairs

[sick sentinel]

crit haste is better tho

for same ilvl

[sinful stone]

for what? dmg?

i guess

[full monolith]

just got wrathion sword - just cleanse it? whats your guy's advice

[left hatch]

nope for defensives too in M+

its Haste>Crit there, not Haste>Verse

[sinful stone]

why would crit be better than haste

[crimson furnace]

guys, heart of darkness?? how good it is?

[sinful stone]

er versa*

[left hatch]

because parry

[sinful stone]

i already take no dmg from melee attackers

[left hatch]

in aoe parry normalizes to be really good damage reduction

[sinful stone]

with just block management

rather have versa for magic w hich still rapes me at 470ilvl

[left hatch]

well do what you want? thats what the statlines are lul

[sweet summit]

@crimson furnace very good as long as you have 25 or more corruption after resistance

[crimson furnace]

❤️

got 2 of those

[sweet summit]

Poggers

[crimson furnace]

gonna swtich over and test

[full monolith]

I guess Searing Breath is useless corruption? Can cleanse it right away?

[left hatch]

it's not useless, its jsut not incredible

4-5% of your dps in a M+

EV will stil probably beat it

[full monolith]

ok ty 🙂

[sinful stone]

ev just got nerfed 50%

[left hatch]

hence the still probably*

[sinful stone]

i'd double check those numbers, dont think new sims are out

[left hatch]

50% nerf to something doing 15% of your damage

is still higher than 4%

[sinful stone]

that's a good point

[left hatch]

the question now will be if TD is going to be worth running 100% of the time now (in M+ at least) given its getting a nerf too

or if the newly doubled Void Ritual will be worth anything

[sinful stone]

there was no nerf to TD

yet at least

[cinder breach]

guys what is best trinket setup for m+

[left hatch]

"it's GETTING a nerf"

[modern brook]

I mean did anyone expect it not to?

[left hatch]

in the same blue post that announced they'd be nerfing EV they said theyd be nerfing TD too

[modern brook]

The numbers on corruption are still very much a wip, its obvious

@cinder breach I'm partial to the two procs

[sinful stone]

they said they were looking at it; but then if you look at actual nerfs ev got one and td didnt

so likely, but nothing yet

[mortal brook]

Vita is over budget def use

[modern brook]

The 3rd choice is just ip

[left hatch]

IT wasn't listed as one of the changed in the next 24 hours

its an upcoming one

so again getting is the key word

[warm plinth]

Imagine having a tank

Who does this

Look at 2nd most damage XD

[sweet summit]

XD

[warm plinth]

That's overall damage btw

[sweet summit]

Go big or go home

[craggy harness]

thing from beyond ain't missing anymore

[crimson furnace]

spell reflect

does 0 dmg

easy!

[warm plinth]

Also was using Anima major

[sweet summit]

Yikes

[warm plinth]

And Mchimba's bandages 😄

[sweet summit]

Stop torturing me

[mortal brook]

And naga hide weapon enchant!

I wasnt there actually

[daring bay]

Did they change last stand? feels like its not mitigating as much as shield block

[warm plinth]

Nah, he was using Quick Nav

Nope, sure didn't

[sweet summit]

[analog zinc]

last stand should be stronger than shield block

because the rage saved on SB allows you more IP

[royal rune]

Can I get some thoughts? I can tank 10s easy now. Just need a good party and i could do a 12 I think.

I know you said @left hatch that mchimbas is bad but I get some good utility from it. I don't have much else.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/nagrand/jezzalenko

[left hatch]

right after people were memeing on somsone for using bandages

lmfao

[analog zinc]

you'll be better off using basically anything else

[sinful stone]

i wonder if i should give up my healing trinkets for dps ones now

[left hatch]

also you go crystalline carapace.... on shoulders that have BOTH OP and UF as options

thats a big yikes

and on that same piece IV>Gemhide

[sinful stone]

like is 465 rezan eye better than 430 urchin

[left hatch]

yes

[sinful stone]

i get so much healing from urchin though

[left hatch]

unless you have like 455 Urchin/edict they'll be replaced by heroic quality

and haste will give you so much reduction due to higher SB uptime and more IP

[royal rune]

Ok thanks for that will change my shoulders around

[left hatch]

HPS is a bad metric to look at for prot

[sinful stone]

but i like doing more hps than healers in my pugs

feels like i'd die otherwise

[left hatch]

why its a bad metric

it promotes bad gameplay

we arn't s3 monks or BDK

[mortal brook]

A higher Rezans is prob doing more for your survival. Its just not reflected on a meter

[waxen cradle]

how useful is the strength of the warden essence passive honestly for us as tanks. I have heard some talk about it being somewhat useful but it seems so shit

[left hatch]

if you fixate on HPS as a measure of tankyness its really easy to slide into habits of like.. "spamming IP at the expense of SB"

or stacking bloodsport and running never surrender cause "it makes heal meters beter"

despite the reality of it crippling your survivability

[royal rune]

What's IF?

[left hatch]

typo, was IP

was supposed to be

[mortal brook]

Iron fortress

Oh

[left hatch]

if you really want to judge your tankiness % hits blocked, rage wasted and DTPS are the things to look at

cause HPS doesn't account for like 90% of what our kit does

[royal rune]

Ignore pain and the expense of shield block?

[analog zinc]

if you wanna see tankiness

look at ehrps

that's your external healing required per second

[mortal brook]

Shield block is the better mitigator. But it doesnt show on an hps meter

[analog zinc]

basically the difference between the damage you're taking & what you're healing / shielding off yourself

[mortal brook]

Also if youre out healing your healer as a prot warr, there probably several things you coupd be doing in that level of content to pump instead

[analog zinc]

if you're outhealing your healer

you need to pull bigger

& pull trash onto bosses

other tanks its normal to outheal your healer

pwar is different, you're all mitigation based, even Ignore Pain is really just a 50% dr '

honestly IP shouldn't show up on your healing meters

& damage absorbed by IP shouldn't show up on your dtps meters

is it possible to hide these with details?

[royal rune]

When I'm tanking extra rage should be used up with IP right?

In a sit where survivability is goal

[warm plinth]

If you already have Shield Block/last stand up, yes, typically you spend extra rage on IP (or Revenge if you're comfortable with surviving)

[analog zinc]

IP is a rage dump

use it like that

[warm plinth]

Shield Block has priority though, so if using that rage on IP would prevent you from casting Shield Block when it's needed, you wouldn't use IP.

[royal rune]

Basically I want as high SB uptime as possible

[analog zinc]

mm kinda

try to maximize % of hits blocked

log your mythic+

[dawn nexus]

What is a good number of percent blocked?

[royal rune]

IF my SB is 11 secs CD. And my haste is 31% . It should gave 1-2 seconds of downtime ideally

Is that correct?

[left hatch]

SB lasts for 6 seconds irrc

so no that math is off

[dawn nexus]

I have almost 50% haste with In for the Kill. Overkill?

Almost feel like Legion end

[exotic spoke]

That’s a good amount of haste. Did you sacrifice Ilvl for it?

[dawn nexus]

No

[exotic spoke]

If not - then you’re fine

[dawn nexus]

9% haste corruption x 2 helps

[exotic spoke]

What other corruption options do you have?

[dawn nexus]

A 9% Crit ring

And the corrupted weapon

[pearl sinew]

Anyone know how the 2x Raden trinkets are for prot warrs in raid and M+? I just got the set.

[dawn nexus]

None of the good damage ones

Does that make you move to grab orbs or something

[exotic spoke]

Depending on what your options are I may do other - but I don’t know what options you have

[left hatch]

the set is... only ok

in raid*

[pearl sinew]

Yeah, I have been lucky so far. I have a 475 Butchers block also

[left hatch]

the orb collection is annoying and the Void trinket is garbage

tbh id go Vita + Butchers

esp with a mythic level butchers

[dawn nexus]

Bod did you get the Block from your chest this week?

[pearl sinew]

the first week

[left hatch]

and in M+ i wouldn't touch Void at all because its only redeeming factor (the set) doesn't work outside raid

[pearl sinew]

last week

[dawn nexus]

I did this week

[pearl sinew]

right, true Morrison

[dawn nexus]

That is better for M+ right. The Butchers Block that is

[left hatch]

yah much better

id use it in raid too, just because of how god awful void is

[dawn nexus]

Using that with the Wraithion Trinket

[pearl sinew]

I do have the wration trinket also

would you go Butchers + Wrathion over Butchers + Vita?

[dawn nexus]

Like a better Rezans Gleaming

[left hatch]

Vita and Wrathion are really close

id say sim it

cause defensive wise its really feely-crafty

[dawn nexus]

Any tips for the Awakened Tank Buster other than range and LOS

Struggle with that thing

[pearl sinew]

I shieldwall the first one on 15+

and then find a pillar somewhere

and just los dance

or run it to my next spot

and out range it

[dawn nexus]

Cool

Does Spell Reflect reduce it?

[sick sentinel]

run

lol

[left hatch]

SR does not

[dawn nexus]

Lol

Demo Shout?

[sick sentinel]

ez take a couple hits leap away

[left hatch]

demo does

and you want to OOR that cast... not take it and then range him lul

ideally you los or oor his cast 3x

then he gets upset and does the AOE

and then just kinda chills for 10ish s before you repeat the process

[dawn nexus]

Seems like every time I los him he just spam casts it till he hits me

[left hatch]

he should only spam attempt 3 times

ish

[ivory barn]

with this Example, is it better to let IP fall off or refresh it?

[left hatch]

its better to overcap IP than overcap rage

so the determining factor there isn't 'will IP fall off' its whats going to overcap

[chilly brook]

Honestly

That

[ivory barn]

everything is on CD, so I didnt know if I should cast IP to refresh the absorb pool or wait till it falls off then refresh it

[chilly brook]

If rage is gonna cap IP>if not let it fall off then ip

[left hatch]

your SS comes off cd in 1s

[chilly brook]

But tbh

[left hatch]

so you'll have over 100 rage before IP falls off

[chilly brook]

Min maxing your IP casts is negligible

[left hatch]

yah i flat out just don't track uptime on IP

[chilly brook]

Just dont cap

[left hatch]

just the absorb size compared to the cap

[chilly brook]

I guess negligible isn't the right word tbh

But you're not gonna live or die based on it

And your healer isn't going to go from struggling to ez mode either

But if you like min maxing and pushing the highest hps you can then it can be worth, it's just going to be a personal thing and not a realistic difference maker

[ivory barn]

so casting Revenge-> IP because I have the rage is ok

[left hatch]

yup, situationally you'll do it pretty often

[chilly brook]

Sure if you dont need damage reduction

I personally default to IP unless I'm just trying to pump

But I also stopped playing 🙃

[exotic spoke]

If you have open GCDs then sure

[sullen flame]

Is it just me or does blootmallet not show dps/corruption for prot?

[ripe leaf]

how's searing flames in m+ ?

[analog zinc]

for tankbuster

i normally do Demo first hit, LS 2nd, Shield Wall third, whatever for the rest

on real high keys you'll have to stack shit to survifve

[sick sentinel]

On high keys you can't soak it without an external + shield walkk

wall*

[analog zinc]

i heard it does like 650k on an 18

you can live that with nothing up

if you wanna push 25s

GL

[craggy harness]

uhm, i must be searching for wrong text, or completely not reading right

are mythic+ gear in the finish chests able to corrupt?

wow grammar.

[sick sentinel]

it's 680k I believe in an 18

[warm plinth]

are mythic+ gear in the finish chests able to corrupt?
@craggy harness Yes, it can corrupt.

[sick sentinel]

and you have to remember you take 300% more damage from him after words

[craggy harness]

okay, ty.

[sick sentinel]

so you're just going to get one shot after

[analog zinc]

Just spirit bomb / death strike / light of the protector / expel harm / frenzied rejuv after getting hit

oh wait

[sick sentinel]

Or just not tank him at all and waste pointless time and heals 🤔

[warm plinth]

Just be a druid and make it tickle with 2 IFs, amirite @tame garden?

[tame garden]

😏

[round linden]

Hey so what corruption do you all aim for

Cause im at 75 with this sword i just got but i dont really want to ditch the sword...

[tame garden]

75 is a bit high

[round linden]

agh

is twilight devestation worth it? thats the effect

[sick sentinel]

its

good

[warm plinth]

75 before resistance I'm guessing?

[round linden]

no 75 with resist lol

like thats my total with the cloak on

[exotic spoke]

What other corruptions do you have ?

[round linden]

attacks have a chance to spawn a tentacle that mind flays the target and attacks have a chance to increase Haste by 1275 for 4 seconds

[exotic spoke]

Can you replace either of those pieces with a similar Ilvl piece?

[round linden]

Yes, are neither of those worth it?

[sick sentinel]

both are good

[exotic spoke]

^

You’ll want to swap depending on content. Don’t get rid of either of those

[sick sentinel]

defensive wise, i'd use the mindflay probably and that has lower corruption than the TD right?

[exotic spoke]

But you’ll need to juggle things. And yeah I think it does Nike

[round linden]

yea it does

oh wait, no it doesnt

[sick sentinel]

I'd use the mind flay

[round linden]

the mindflay is a way higher ilvl

but its ten more corrupt

[ripe leaf]

would you guys recommend using wrathion sword over t3 twilight ?

[sick sentinel]

use the mindflay

[round linden]

okay

[boreal lark]

What's the max corruption you guys are willing to run? After res. I feel like the guys that spawn and Chase you aren't worth it right now. Do you just soak them?

[sick sentinel]

39 as I'd rather not get hit by a thing from beyond and have a massive eye when I'm tanking stuff that hurts in higher keys

I run 25 corruption

and it would go down to 15 if I had void

[round linden]

do you guys ever take the corruption off of a piece and just keep it for the stats or no

[sick sentinel]

yes

all the time

[ruby nexus]

what skills and abilities can proc vop? or are there abilities that can't?

[sick sentinel]

anything damaging ability can pop vop

even intercepting pops vop

[exotic spoke]

I can either run 13,23, or like 36 right now. I don’t want 40+ for the same reasons Nike listed

[broken stratus]

damn anyone ran with mage that would just pull for you because he has combust up?

[exotic spoke]

So right now that means I get to use one of two Corruption pieces and that’s it

[sick sentinel]

Why would you have your mage pull for you

[exotic spoke]

Nope but in pugs I’d let them die.

[sick sentinel]

when you can utilize his combust to blow up deadly mobs

[exotic spoke]

But I hate mages

[ruby nexus]

ahh maybe I'll just run with cns then in workshop instead haha

[broken stratus]

i dont, but he would pull it because he combust is on cd, and blame me and said he has double on use and combust....

[sick sentinel]

I love mages

You have to IGL them

tho

[exotic spoke]

Oh they’re good. I don’t have a rational reason for hating them

[round linden]

ty all btw

super helpful

[sick sentinel]

I know a very specific mage that does that tho

[round linden]

I wish I could contribute beyond just asking questions LOL

[exotic spoke]

It’s PTSD from vanilla frostbolt kiting

[broken stratus]

Nike, does that mage starts with a V?

[sick sentinel]

nah

[warm plinth]

Just run 40+ corruption and have this 😂
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/674754738373525514/unknown.png

Ez game

[sick sentinel]

honestly should have 0 thing from beyond

just spell reflect, storm bolt, cloak, fear and stun them

lol

[exotic spoke]

^^

[warm plinth]

What's the fun in that

When it can be your highest damage intake in the dungeon by a full 50%

[sick sentinel]

It's fun because you practice your pvp abilities

[warm plinth]

2nd highest*

[round linden]

does spell reflect block thing from beyond dmg completely?

[sick sentinel]

yes

[round linden]

what

sick

[left hatch]

even with the nerf 420 gloves with tier 2 EV still sims leaps and bounds over any of my other options

the dream still lives bois

[ruby nexus]

does canceling avatar also remove bom buff and ip granted by it?

[warm plinth]

🤔 uhh

[sharp night]

EV hasn't been nerfed in sims yet?

[warm plinth]

I'm still showing full effect on EV

[sharp night]

and is also not on live

[left hatch]

its showing the same effect on live

oh

[warm plinth]

And even if it was nerfed, I doubt it'd be changed that fast in the sim module

[left hatch]

wrlp thatd do it

[warm plinth]

does canceling avatar also remove bom buff and ip granted by it?
@ruby nexus Canceling Avatar would remove BoM but the IP stays. Why do you ask?

[tame garden]

cancelling avatar

[chilly brook]

who tf would cancel avatar

wadu

[broken stratus]

maybe last boss of TD, when you get too big, you cant dodge

[ruby nexus]

Workshop also

Too big to enter the gauntlet with detect bots

[tame garden]

lmao

[broken stratus]

but still

[tame garden]

vulpera master race

[broken stratus]

i would suggest you use the gnome pirate toy

and not cancel avatar

there is no cd to that toy

[ruby nexus]

What's that

Where do I get one

[broken stratus]

Burgy Blackheart's Handsome Hat

took me 20 min

the majority of the time is doing intro quest into that zone

[ruby nexus]

Thanks! I will go look for it

[sick sentinel]

Does anyone know if Modular Platinum plating is any good?

[old monolith]

I got 455 sporepod with leech is it anygood? I only have 430 urchine and don't have the one from Queen Court. I heard wasn't great but as defensive trinket is okay?

I also have a rezan 455

[craggy harness]

corruption nerf delayed to weekly reset

semi - phew

[manic cypress]

Hi prot warrior brothers..
Can i ask about the tank setup for mythic hivemind to those who have progged alrdy on it?

Is blood dk is super crucial for the encounter? We run 2 dps dks alrdy and im deciding if i need to switch to my blood alt.

Also should we 4 or 5 heal it?

[mortal brook]

@sick sentinel its prob the worst trinket. when the armor would be useful is when you lose it.

[sharp night]

so EV nerf is in a week instead

[calm glen]

@old monolith I have a 445 sporepod and it does about 2.5m healing per dungeon. I like it a lot. Takes stress off my healer

[old monolith]

Sweet thank you

[naive panther]

do sims work for corruptions that are based on taking damage? like taking damage has a chance to increase your verse by x

[prime kernel]

ummm, how good is the corruption with leech % for us in m+ ? any1 tested it maybe, dunno if i should cleanse my item or not ;d

[sick sentinel]

@mortal brook Thank you, and I didnt think about that.

[inland bolt]

in keys what trinkets do prot warriors run now?

or are people still running uchin/edcits from last tier

[manic cypress]

Any prot warrs here progged on mythic hivemind alrdy?

[shadow wind]

does CnS major work on Thing from Beyond?

[warm plinth]

I would imagine so, but it's not a reason to use C&S major.

[shadow wind]

But if I'm planning to use CnS regardless, I could allow more room for corruption

[sick sentinel]

Is there anyone that could let me know which essences we should run for Mythic+ and then Raid?

[warm plinth]

I guess so, but not sure why you'd run C&S major. And we have like 5 other tools we can use to handle the Thing from Beyond.

[hoary viper]

Some questions:

When i proc avatar with VoP does that proc the bastion of might buff @sly bison duration?

[distant crystal]

no, same duration as the avatar

and 30% power too

[analog zinc]

@hoary viper if you get a proc normally it'll be like a Mini-BOM

1/3rd as good as a normal bom

[left hatch]

1/3rd of an IP too

[analog zinc]

however, if you have Avatar & Bastion up, getting a vop proc will increase your duration of ava & bastion, not being reduced any

[hoary viper]

oh well that's nice

aight well thanks

[ripe remnant]

is there any chance of getting a shield out of a kul tiran weapon cache or would it only be armor caches

[warm plinth]

Weapon caches are the ones that drop shields; I don't think the armor ones do

But could be wrong

Weapon ones definitely can drop them though

[sleek flax]

sup guys

how can i know what item is better for me?

we cant simulate as tanks 😦

[left hatch]

ilvl>everything except for trinkets and rings

[sick sentinel]

WCM, 64.5k overall

🤧

[sick sentinel]

https://prnt.sc/qy82h6

amount of leech heals I get is insane

it out heals urchin and edicts when I have it

lol

[sleek flax]

ilvl>everything except for trinkets and rings
@left hatch bro, what i should use in trinkets and rings?

[left hatch]

Rezan, Wrathion, Block, Vita

and for rings its still ilvl>all, sockets are just worth 15ish ilvls

[proper shadow]

are there any resources for tanks starting +10s in this season?

[sick sentinel]

wowhead

[undone sun]

@sleek flax can still sim for damage, which is always useful

[sleek flax]

ty for info

Rezan, Wrathion, Block, Vita
@left hatch i think Maut was bis

[left hatch]

lol no

Maut is bad

[sleek flax]

O_o

for tanks?

[left hatch]

at least for prot

yes

[sleek flax]

=((((

im so sad

what is "block and vita"

[left hatch]

butchers block from WCM

and vita is the haste ra-den trinket

[sleek flax]

oh i have this

Rezan, Wrathion, Block, Vita (thats the order?)

[left hatch]

no they're all about equal

its feelycraft which combo you prefer

[sick sentinel]

Vita is better than rezan

but rezan is better than wrathion and so on I believe

[round linden]

wait maut's trinket is bad?

[sleek flax]

Apparently

They broke my hearth

That trinket save my life many times

[mortal brook]

wrathion and rezan should be about equal average haste; wrathion has really high uptime

prob higher average haste for wrathion's, actually

[sleek flax]

And what about the neck essences?

Mayor and 3 minors

For m+

And raids

[left hatch]

VoP major, CnS, Sphere, Lucid, sometimes Aegis for M+

swap in null as one of the minors for raid for defensive

st raid dps is CoF major, Cns, VoP, Null

[exotic spoke]

2 mask down - lets go for 3 boys

[mortal brook]

nice work

[ivory barn]

is this good for us? Im trying to create a good gearset to go after

[mortal brook]

if you need a big boi absorb every minute for something, sure.

[sick sentinel]

good for high keys

and you know what you can use it for with externals

but anything under 19 probably won't do you any good

[ivory barn]

kk ty

[exotic spoke]

I love getting DCed mid run while on pace to do three mask clear >.>

[sick sentinel]

Get better

[lunar jackal]

guys i have the 2 tank trinkets from EP and just got a 460 jes howler. should i swap one of them for jes?

[jagged stump]

Depends on what you want? Damage: sim it on raidbots otherwise just look what the situation needs, itlevel could also make one better then the other one.

[crimson furnace]

...how come Maut trinket is bad?? that little piece of pixels ignores mechanics on certain fights

ilginoth eyes when taking the 2nd stack

0 dmg with the trinket up

wrathions breath...

and many other stuff like that

are simply shrugged of with that little item...

have a 475 socketed version of it