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strong forum
void dust
how much haste % are you guys running? how much haste% is to much etc?
void dust
so just keep stacking it?
tame garden
Dont drop ilvl for it but yes more haste more better
void dust
thought i heard someone say something about 20% but I guess that's not true then?
tame garden
Nah theres no caps. Some ppl will say theres a minimum to have 3 back to back shield blocks but that's not really true
Haste is just the best stat for prot war
And you want as much as possible
tame garden
Zoomer
strong forum
zoom
void dust
what's dc sorry?
strong forum
Deafening crash
sick sentinel
how much versatility is good?
strong forum
Anywhere from 200 to 1000
If you're over 1k versa you are focusing too much on it instead of haste
void dust
im using mastery enchants/gems rn. I guess I should change everything to haste then?
strong forum
Yes
tame garden
Yeah mastery is worst stat with 3 bom
void dust
sitting on just under 800 mastery rn
strong forum
Mastery is the least desirable stat
tame garden
Ditch those gems asap
strong forum
I have like 400 mastery
void dust
i guess the mastery i get from the traits is enough?
strong forum
Bom reduces the value of mastery on gear by a ton
void dust
okay. Haste it is. Haste and Crit yea?
zenith vigil
mastery is like "suhhhhh dude"
strong forum
Haste and crit for m+
void dust
and M+?
analog zinc
mastery kinda sucks but BOM gives you such a massive boost in mast so its your bis trait
void dust
okay, thanks guys
strong forum
3 bastion is the dream scenario yes
grim estuary
What do you think about the Modular Platinum Plating (Mechagon Workshop Trinket) ?
jolly thistle
Put it in the bank and hope for a huge buff or complete rework
grim estuary
That Sounds Sad but atleast its not "depends"
jolly thistle
I can’t imagine a single use case right now
strong forum
It's the worst trinket in the game
By miles
If they buff it by 1000% it's still trash
analog zinc
^
strong forum
You lose all stacks instantly
analog zinc
my only 465 trinket atm 🙂
grim estuary
I mean i have Rezan 460 and 460 Dragonscale with socket there is miles to catch up on even if its a good trinket
strong forum
I mean your shield is also kick in the balls
grim estuary
just wanted to ask for knowledge
analog zinc
2 dupe shields 🙂
strong forum
Yup
analog zinc
also
i cleansed the mind flay one
8~ hours before they announced EV nerfs
i wonder if i can get the corruption restored
analog zinc
you never know, i dont see why i can't just make a ticket & hope
strong forum
Uhm
People have done it
Tried it
Tried to restore, you absolutely can't get corruption back once cleansed
blazing current
guys. need your help. I got this from weekly chest. Is this nice? as alternative I have gloves 455 haste+vers
tame garden
5 ilvl and corruption, def an upgrade assuming you have room for the corruption
blazing current
yeah. very nice corruption. but a lot of crit stat. Its abou 5 procs per minute
blazing current
hm okay. I have 30 level of corruption. with BIS sword from wrathion. hate this eye
wary lantern
after nerf of OP, would you still take it instead of Unstable flames?
blazing current
I have this
earnest wadi
crit rly shines m+
grim estuary
weekly chest after they announced the nerf https://i.imgur.com/3fYELbu.png
feels bad
blazing current
what nerf? dont know
wary lantern
btw if mastery is undervalued due to BoM, should i skip tradewinds/Blood siphon?
blazing current
60 corruption omg
grim estuary
what nerf? dont know
@blazing current they will nerf EV hard as i heard
i mean i dont really have other Corruption so i dont really care but still :X
blazing current
Its not very strong why blizz nerf smth like this
grim estuary
as far as i know EV was BiS for Prot
native perch
ok, thanks 😄
blazing current
block is very nice fom M+
wary lantern
and would you say ele whirl or blood siphon?
blazing current
dificuilt question
wary lantern
i have to choose between those 2 on helm and shoulders 😄
strong forum
I'd say ele swirl
Since it gives you chance on actually useful stats
Tradewinds vs if depends on your shield
blazing current
oh I missed life siphon with saving haste. whirl is better
wary lantern
i have only 455 shield so far
strong forum
I'd say IF benefits you more given the slightly increased K value
wary lantern
swapped to tank today
blazing current
It increases block chance or block value?
wary lantern
wary lantern
btw, can i run essences VoP -> CaS, Aegis, Warden?
or should i swap something for dynamo?
blazing current
VoP major. lucid dreams and dynamo. warden if you have last socket. imo
strong forum
Eh no
Vop major
Cns/aegis/lucid/sphere minors
Null is very situational depending on dungeon
thick solstice
what inner azerite traits is ideal for m+?
strong forum
Okayish
Warden is not recommended
It averages out to be around 2k hps
At rank 3 it becomes better because of the extra 3% stam
wary lantern
and lucid?
strong forum
Lucid is perfectly fine
wary lantern
i have it on r3 tho
strong forum
It's still not great
wary lantern
😄
blazing current
lucid heals you and restores rage often
exotic spoke
If you need corruption resistance rank 3 formless void is the go to
exotic spoke
The rage regen is why you take lucid
wary lantern
hm, kk, so just swap warden for lucid and should be good
strong forum
Ye
exotic spoke
As a general set up yes
strong forum
I mean you're not wrong with warden, it's just not recommended
sick sentinel
I’d work on sphere too 🙂
wary lantern
i dont have sphere, but can just buy it instantly on r3 i think
exotic spoke
Situationally others are good. There are also very good other options as generalist essence slots
strong forum
No essences are required to play your class, they just improve it in some aspects
blazing current
aegis is nice in crowd of adds. like m+. situational
sick sentinel
Sphere is typically a more consistent option than aegis. Aegis gets its power when you are fighting a lot of adds at once
For a majority of the dungeon
exotic spoke
The standard go to is visions major, CnS, aegis, lucid, sphere (pick 3)
Honorable / situational mentions go to formless void / warden / CoF / null barrier / Worldvein - and using some of these / the ones above as majors
sick sentinel
You want uptime
strong forum
Aegis I only really like in WM FH and maybe ML, outside of that not really great in my eyes
Not enough big pulls
exotic spoke
Big pulls are a state of mind Nome
strong forum
Big pulls are a state of dps and healer 
exotic spoke
Sounds like a healer problem
strong forum
I'd like to call it a dps problem
wary lantern
😄
strong forum
When I'm reaching 50k dps and my dps players are at 58k max overall... I cry
blazing current
btw you always need null barier at wrathion cuz there is amazing magic dmg
wary lantern
minor?
wary lantern
kk, will farm it on rank 3 today
exotic spoke
Nome, do you have god tier corruption?
blazing current
you can try major if you cant face fire breath but there is 2.3 mins CD
exotic spoke
You use rank 3 for the dps it brings
strong forum
Major is big nono
exotic spoke
Nah if you need a major you’d use undying
blazing current
rank3 null barrier gives you dps only. no saves
exotic spoke
40% every 45 seconds is solid
sick sentinel
You shouldn’t need to use undying major tbh
strong forum
I have EV t1 on 410 and EV t2 on 430.
exotic spoke
You shouldn’t Hawgz - you’re right
sick sentinel
Thanks dad
exotic spoke
But if you do it’s better than null Major
wary lantern
what usually Major for raid? VoP? or something for dmg like crucible?
exotic spoke
World vein for pumping
wary lantern
no one in my guild uses that
tame garden
Pog
wary lantern
so thats no for me
strong forum
It's 4k mainstat sure, but idk if it can beat CoF
exotic spoke
No bully
sick sentinel
World win more like it
exotic spoke
On some fights it’s stupid good
sick sentinel
^
blazing current
so I dont need mega dmg cuz I have nice DD but sometimes I have lags)
strong forum
Define nice DD
exotic spoke
Hence why I listed CoF and Worldvein
wary lantern
need to work on my trinkets and weapon tho
sick sentinel
We are prot warriors. The most chad class. We need mega damage ALWAYS
exotic spoke
But 4K strength that lines up with avatar or close to it is very nice
tame garden
1m cd is nice
exotic spoke
You still use devastator if you’re going for mostly single target damage
blazing current
yeah but I lose booming voice. there is always choice
sick sentinel
And if you are trying for ST damage devastator is the choice
blazing current
and devastator dont give rage like in legion
wary lantern
Devastator for raid?
exotic spoke
It is a loss of survivability since you’re no longer incentivized / rewarded as much for hitting demo shout
But if you can afford that it’s a little more single target dps
blazing current
devastator for dmg. voice for more survivability
strong forum
Si
blazing current
chose your destiny
strong forum
Damage 👐
jolly robin
is a socket on a ring worth 15+ ilvls? 🤔
zenith vigil
we only gently smash things in here
our other two specs are where the turbosmashing occurs
strong forum
A socket I'd personally value 10-15ilvl yes
exotic spoke
Yeah Json. It’s worth somewhere in that range. 10-15 ilvls depending on who you ask
inland silo
Prot is higher apm than fury
wary lantern
but i have better keybinds on prot
strong forum
Prot is highest apm in game I think
strong forum
Wow
strong forum
We legion now bois
exotic spoke
Up to 700k unbuffed 🙂
tame garden
😏
strong forum
I'm pretty happy about my HP predictions from beta
Na, there's more to it dafty, traits, trinkets, talents, essences and buffs
You also don't get rage from being hit, thus generating less
And no lust/hero ofc
wary lantern
no prepot too
strong forum
Yup
analog zinc
rank 2 normal wrathion po g
exotic spoke
What % of your damage did your corruption do?
opal python
was wondering what would be the best thing to do here
strong forum
Normal
opal python
analog zinc
wary lantern
jesus
exotic spoke
Yeah ok. It’s getting nerfed too.
opal python
so i can only choose one besides the EV weapon
opal python
maybe crit is better for m+, and haste for raids? or should i not cleanse either and just wait for higher cape lvl?
anyone?
strong forum
Let me have a look
exotic spoke
Parses right now are so fucked anyway
opal python
yh?
blazing current
what level of corruption is nice?
limpid pawn
39
blazing current
ty
tame garden
Big pump
exotic spoke
Hi Speg
tame garden
Hi riki
leaden grail
Can you block the tank buster cast from awakened now? Feels like I take a lot more damage from it when shieldblock/last stand is not up
analog zinc
no
exotic spoke
Not many people log M+.
That said logs are the best way to get answers
However block doesn’t work against it
Wait - when did they make that change? LOS doesn’t work any more?
sick sentinel
LoS hasn't worked for a week now
from last reset
just like you can't snap the tentacles away from the slime
they snap back to place when out of combat
exotic spoke
I was LoSing the tank buster on Monday
tame garden
What
exotic spoke
Range still worked yesterday - didn’t try LoS since I only did UR and there wasn’t a great spot for that
sick sentinel
You can only outrange it
Just going behind a wall won't work
it'll smash you through it
exotic spoke
Are there notes for that?
sick sentinel
Nope, just like there wasn't notes for you not being able to bop it and now you can and the slime snapping thing
exotic spoke
Slime snapping thing seemed like a bug. But LoS definitely didn’t since it was a cast
zenith vigil
im so happy fort/tyr dont apply to awakened minibosses
i would kms if they wre
theyre already a pita
exotic spoke
The same ones that didn’t work for void don’t work for this. ML was bad about that
Like I was LoSing them all last week
sick sentinel
I tried in every key
it's not working at all
and other tank sare saying the same thing
exotic spoke
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Haven’t tested this week since I’m back at work - but as of Monday I know you could LoS them.
This is the first I’m hearing that it’s not LoSable
sick sentinel
Ye my other tank friends and healers said they weren't able to los it
and I experienced that multiple times in multiple keys
tame garden
Damn you ion
zenith vigil
its just ion and 3 dudes
tame garden
HATE stealth changes
zenith vigil
small indie company
analog zinc
if they really made it so it can't be LoSed
that's
actually so retarded
is vita titanshard any good?
comparable to rezan's / wrath trink?
exotic spoke
What dungeons?
exotic spoke
I understand but that is the opposite of what I experienced on Monday Nike
That’s why I’m questioning what dungeons Rosjen specifically tested it in
sweet summit
only done two freeholds so far
sick sentinel
freehold?
exotic spoke
I never did it on FH - just ranged it / circle kites
exotic spoke
I know I had some good spots for siege / KR / WCM
sweet summit
thats big dumb
sweet summit
actually slowing down so much now, a lot of wasted damage
sudden snow
hey there, have a question... 8% leech worth? or just keep ring and clease it?
sick sentinel
Unless you have nothing else and are using Lucid major which is unlikely
it's not worth at all
sweet summit
yea, because every other cast in dungeons ignores LoS as well 🙂
exotic spoke
Los wasn’t. Guess we gotta kite now in higher keys when we don’t have CDs
sweet summit
sweet summit
can monks still stagger it btw?
analog zinc
yes 🙂
zenith vigil
probably why lots of warrior tanks are using conflict and strife major
in turbo high keys
analog zinc
how's that help?
zenith vigil
roots target for 1 sec when u thundaCLap them cheeks
sweet summit
immune 🙂
sweet summit
CnS is good for necro for kiting=less stacks i guess. and the fear guy adds maybe
zenith vigil
ye
sweet summit
CnS is just solid all around imo
zenith vigil
and fort/raging/bolster
sweet summit
fort alone isnt bad
bolster isnt an issue unless you are playing low keys or with dumdums
exotic spoke
I mean - you can literally kite it for days just with leap
And face tank it for a bit
limpid pawn
for necrotic yes
exotic spoke
But LoSing it felt so good. Like a good way to out play the mechanic
zenith vigil
high level tanks are using it this week too
distant crystal
ironfur feels good
exotic spoke
World vein pumps and necrotic can be a non issue 🙂
zenith vigil
which is weird because sanguine
fluid copper
Is there some featured racial for zandalari? Crit seems pretty nasty
sweet summit
yea, felt like there were some counterplay to the "tank buster"
distant crystal
also riki did you main rogue
exotic spoke
Bluemajere- high level tanks do weird niche things that don’t apply to the vast majority of the player base
sweet summit
you dont have to thunderclap if mobs will be standing in sanguine
exotic spoke
Never waat. Only this warrior since day one
zenith vigil
i dont have to thunderclap?
sweet summit
lmao true
sweet summit
CLAP CLAP CLAP
zenith vigil
CLAP them cheekz
sweet summit
gachiHYPER
distant crystal
i'm currently crafting/scrapping bracers for hours on my mage for expulsom
notice my warrior has 300+
maybe i need to pick up blacksmithing
hallow phoenix
Riki do you use worldvein
exotic spoke
In some cases yes
For raid whatever sims highest on a boss fight
In m+ yeah sometimes
sweet summit
how do you decide to play it in m+? i kinda wanna try that
sick sentinel
if you want to meme and do damage is how you decide to play it
analog zinc
neat rank 1 drest norm too
sick sentinel
but it's kinda troll to use it on sanguine as you have to kite sometimes
sweet summit
yea i get that
strong forum
city the pubmeister
hallow phoenix
We're talking worldvein major yeah?
empty nacelle
i was thinking cns major
sick sentinel
Our convo was about worldvein
hallow phoenix
Right but people are using the major as prot now?
haughty forum
I got the "if you heal a target below 50%" ring. Would that proc for me on IP? What other type things would it proc on?
hallow phoenix
IP doesn't heal
empty nacelle
oh nvm then
exotic spoke
Yeah tusks I use the Worldvein major in some cases. This week not so much in M+
hallow phoenix
I guess vision major proc would cause it to proc?
jagged stump
Worldvein minor is the one you can run as a team right, or only the major one stacks?
For raid.
haughty forum
that's what details says I have for "healing done"
But wasn't sure what the ring counts.
exotic spoke
Absorbs count as healing but don’t restore health
They did that to capture shielding - which when meters originally came out in vanilla - shields didn’t track as heals in meters so priests looked bad on meters
analog swift
analog zinc
its the only place I can get r1s (:
tame garden
analog zinc
i want azerite
i need literally
50 residu
for a mythic piece
& i can't fucking get it
sweet summit
not like this
merry socket
item resto worse case
strong forum
like a certain unlucky son of a bitch
analog zinc
every piece of azerite i've gotten this patch
except the heroic carapace shoulders
& I'm not scrapping those
hallow phoenix
Do it
analog zinc
why would I?
strong forum
scrap em >:)
sick sentinel
@analog zinc do M0’s?
strong forum
m0s only give 1 chalk
analog zinc
chances are a random mythic piece would be worse
sick sentinel
Ooooof
analog zinc
they give 20
hallow phoenix
You could have horned horrors
analog zinc
i've done a couple dungeons
strong forum
what you could achieve!
analog zinc
i'm trying to find some people to sell me m0 plate stacks
sick sentinel
Dude M0 should drop 445 azerite armor
Emissaries shouldn’t have better rewards than any group content lmao
analog zinc
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hallow phoenix
Have you done islands
sick sentinel
At least semi challenging group content
sick sentinel
Yeah there was one in zandalar yesterday
Also if you did any before this week you may have a 445 in bags that’s worth 40
hallow phoenix
Warfronts can drop azerite
sick sentinel
^^^^ that too
hallow phoenix
Islands?
analog zinc
didn't get residum
hallow phoenix
RIP
errant widget
I feel like I'm struggling with trinkets atm. Just opened the weekly and pulled the 465 Jes Howler (😫 ). What would you recommend for Raid and M+ respectively?
hallow phoenix
Just loot the items you want
errant widget
"Listen here boss, you're gonna drop THIS, and I'm taking it, k?"
final mist
errant widget
I might just get "There's always next week" tattooed on my forehead at this point
storm isle
i've gotten leach corruption and haste to avoidance
sick sentinel
@errant widget I would do 2 patchwerk sims of all trinkets, 1 boss and 5 bosses. Use 1 boss for ST/raid use 5 bosses for keys
errant widget
@sick sentinel Thanks! I'll run it now.
limpid pawn
for m+, simming doesn't take into account survivability though
so like rezan + block vs vita + wrathion trinket
which combo would truly be best for high keys?
sick sentinel
Well haste is prot’s best stat
twilit smelt
how's Ra'den and Wrathion trinkets for raid?
sick sentinel
For a mix of damage and defense. So I’d go with vita/rezan if all same Ilvl
twilit smelt
mythic wrathion but rezan is 465 cap
sick sentinel
Vita is better than wrathion unless you need that speed proc
Tbh I’d just sim for damage. Idk if any of the tank trinkets are good this tier for keys
twilit smelt
im talking about raid
sick sentinel
I’m using 445 edicts still since I have nothing better and the absorb is still pretty good.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kH8N3VbDxLXrAZCm#fight=4&type=healing&source=2
@twilit smelt sorry I was talking to bro. Uhh, idk man. What are your options?
twilit smelt
i'm just deciding whether to bonus roll wrathion
I have both TEP trinkets
as well as dps ones
sick sentinel
On mythic? I’d wait
The haste proc won’t increase your survivability in a meaningful way for mechanics that are actually dangerous in raid.
Extra self healing from urchin/edicts absorb may tho
sick sentinel
Well the haste seems like it has good uptime. This is from mythic Skitra
It’s the closest thing to a ST encounter so far in early NYA
Maut doesn’t count since there’s cleave targets more often than Skitra imo
So I guess choose your buff. Healing/absorb or haste.
I thought the haste was pretty low for that trinket too, but could be wrong
strong forum
no zap bot?
are you inting my friend
oh no you did
but very late
your dps meter is weird
DH has more 11k DPS more than Rogue, but did 200k less, 600k more than you but 19k more dps
that seems scuffed as shit
strong forum
ye but that should still not affect dps meter
analog zinc
details is weird
strong forum
unless you have the "stop dps decay if dps stops" thingy
exotic spoke
^^
strong forum
okay so you have the "objects seem closer than they appear" option on
but with dps 😄
tame garden
😂
tame garden
Fucking nome lmao
analog zinc
its set to activity time
strong forum
smth like that ye
analog zinc
effective time
analog zinc
didnt know there was a diff
strong forum
well if you stop dpsing after burst
guess where your overall DPS is gonna end up
on activity you seem like a god
but on actual overall youre just barely above the tank
man i wanna see the nerfs and buffs
strong forum
i cba using my 410 piece man
i just got td t2 pants with socket and almost acceptable ilvl
exotic spoke
EV and TD need a nerf. Honestly don’t understand how they didn’t see this coming
strong forum
so maybe thats better than ev t1
exotic spoke
As tanks approach 1M hp
analog zinc
disagree
tame garden
4head
sick sentinel
Dude wth
exotic spoke
It’s over powered as fuck especially for tanks lol
strong forum
sick sentinel
Was that like 1 pack you killed immediately?
tame garden
Echoing abusers btfo tomorrow
sick sentinel
Oh dude I burst for like 200k on big packs lmfao
strong forum
no its 4 target dummy
tame garden
Bless
strong forum
constant 80k dps
exotic spoke
I agree it’s fun. But it isn’t balanced
exotic spoke
TD and EV I mean
sick sentinel
Now if the proc rate was balanced or consistent without the 0 procs in 2 mins or 5 procs in 30s but reduced or tuned to fit that then cool.
exotic spoke
Over the course of a dungeon it’ll average out
tame garden
👀
sick sentinel
That’s tier 3
If I did bigger pulls I’d have more but first time doing a 15 of junk
It’s rewarding when you do bigger pulls but mediocre on small pulls/ST
exotic spoke
I mean. That kinda illustrates the point of why it’s not balanced / healthy design for the game imo
And EV is a bigger issue than TD imo
strong forum
the strength of EV is the consistency
how many stacks you gain
vs often you proc
and then dump said quickly obtained stacks
TD is only good in aoe cuz it just pops for full dmg
if it would split like EV, it would be balanced as shit
sick sentinel
If it split like EV it would be garbage
Nobody would want it over EV even after nerfs
strong forum
but it would be balanced
sick sentinel
No it wouldn’t be
strong forum
it would do like 200-300k per proc
upper nest
i got rank 2 EV, should i go for stam flask? 😄
strong forum
not at all
sick sentinel
No
strong forum
unless you literally stack like 3-4x EV
sick sentinel
Untrue
strong forum
its not worth going for extra stam
sick sentinel
Oh wait you’re talking to him
strong forum
yes
upper nest
sure thx
sick sentinel
But seriously look at logs. EV is absurdly OP compared to anything right now
sick sentinel
Stars is only good ST but EV is good everywhere
autumn pendant
Soon nuked
strong forum
i said EV is broken
im not defending EV
im saying if TD split like EV it would be balanced
thats all im saying
sick sentinel
I know i just don’t think TD needs nerfed unless they fix it’s unreliability.
exotic spoke
They said they were looking at TD but hadn’t decided yet. EV nerf inc though makes me interested
sick sentinel
It only does well in M+ if you get many packs together
exotic spoke
Because honestly, how did they not see health based attacks being an issue
tame garden
TD needs nerf lol
sick sentinel
It’s ST is garbage
tame garden
So?
strong forum
^
sick sentinel
So you’d be killing it for any ST
tame garden
Its not a st corruption
strong forum
its not an ST corruption
sick sentinel
Then everyone would bitch and moan about not having stars again
sick sentinel
Neither is EV but look where we are.
strong forum
EV is amazing at both
tame garden
U just dont want it nerfed cuz you have it :kekw:
strong forum
Stars is so niche
exotic spoke
EV is amazing at both
sick sentinel
But TD is only amazing in aoe
strong forum
yes but too amazing
exotic spoke
TD isn’t bad single target. It’s just not optimal
sick sentinel
It’s mediocre in ST
exotic spoke
So mediocre in ST and god tier in aoe. Sounds like OP in m+
strong forum
Stars is beyond shit in anything but PURE ST, thats why its not getting nerfed, EV is insane in both, TD is balanced in ST broken in aoe
sick sentinel
Again so the way to balance it is to make it a reliable proc but nerf it a bit
Not just nerf the damage
Or reduce damage of targets hit just slightly
exotic spoke
Not really lol
tame garden
Corruption apologists smh
exotic spoke
Thatd be a status quo
strong forum
just make it split, like EV, and its perfectly balanced, not anymore LUL I JUST HIT FOR 4MIL
exotic spoke
It averages out over the course of a dungeon. So if you lower damage but make it proc more it’s still OP
sick sentinel
It would be worse than EV then
strong forum
anything doing more than 5k dps in ANY SCENARIO is broken
sick sentinel
Even after nerfs
strong forum
how will you know cbegs
tame garden
Both need nerfs
exotic spoke
And? There will always be a “best” corruption
strong forum
you dont know how EV will be nerfed
maybe itll be reduced to suck in aoe AND st
maybe itll be a number change
sick sentinel
Because TD is unreliable
strong forum
maybe itll be a proc change
exotic spoke
Except it’s not over the course of a whole dungeon
tame garden
So
sick sentinel
EV is CONSTANT
exotic spoke
Stop looking at the trees and look at the Forest
strong forum
EV does the same
sick sentinel
So if it split it’s just a Shittier EV
tame garden
I dont understand why the reliability matters if overall its op over a dungeon
sick sentinel
Because I’m not talking just dungeons
exotic spoke
It doesn’t matter on a single pack. That’s irrelevant
sick sentinel
You guys are looking at one specific instance
sick sentinel
Take into consideration world, raid, pvp
strong forum
yes we are
exotic spoke
We’re looking at the instance it’s mostly likely to be used in. M+
tame garden
World :omegalul:
distant crystal
because all else equal you'd rather something that does good dmg to every pack versus something that does insane dmg to one pack and nothing to others
sick sentinel
Nerfing it because it’s good in M+ would kill it in raid/pvp
exotic spoke
But it does damage to most pics waat 🙂
sick sentinel
Unless it’s balanced
tame garden
Why does it need to be good in raid
distant crystal
it needs to do a good bit more overall if it's going to whiff sometimes
tame garden
It's an aoe corruption
warm plinth
Isn't TD and EV already nerfed heavily in PvP?
strong forum
it is
exotic spoke
^^
empty nacelle
chat moving so fast
sick sentinel
It’s 75 fucking corruption for rank 3
strong forum
ye cuz he cant see that TD is stupid strong
sick sentinel
The damn thing better be good
tame garden
1 corruption being bis in all content is giga toxic and bad design
It SHOULD be bad in raid
exotic spoke
It’s too good though
sick sentinel
You guys are looking small picture
sick sentinel
Why? Because you say so?
exotic spoke
No
strong forum
bro
tame garden
What
exotic spoke
What?! Lol
exotic spoke
Look at your damage spread. TD / IS / EV are over powered.
Tanks shouldn’t be crushing it like that
strong forum
EV is only good cuz it procs often, but for small numbers, TD is a big Proc that happens sometimes
different thing, same outcome
distant crystal
being split is better tbh
strong forum
yes
warm plinth
As much as I hate that it's getting nerfed since I like it, I also think corruption would be better if the spread wasn't so huge.
distant crystal
it makes its output less dependent on big pulls
exotic spoke
We’re not even geared yet. Wait til we get closer to 1M hp
distant crystal
when td procs on one mob you feel bad
exotic spoke
This is as much of an adjustment now as it is planning for the future
warm plinth
What's making me the most upset is how long it took them to realize it was still busted XD
broken stratus
how good is infinite star compare to TD and EV?
exotic spoke
It shouldn’t have hit retail in the state it did
strong forum
IS is very niche
sick sentinel
EV will likely be Better.
exotic spoke
What’s wrong with that CBegs?
sick sentinel
What they should’ve done is made corruption more plentiful if it’s this imbalanced
exotic spoke
Why shouldn’t we have different corruption for different things?
sick sentinel
Because some of us don’t have good corruption to fall back on
tame garden
Why do you want 1 bis for all content
sick sentinel
I don’t
distant crystal
the dmg corruptions should only be beasting for tanks/healers imo
tame garden
Then what's wrong with TD being bad in raid
exotic spoke
You change gear for different content. Essences. Talents. Traits. Why not corruption
tame garden
???
distant crystal
real dps that are geared should perform better with good stat corruptions
sick sentinel
I’d take stars/EV over my R3 TD right now
strong forum
we all do
sick sentinel
Because they’re consistent in raid
distant crystal
otherwise the stat ones are literally good for nobody
sick sentinel
TD is not consistent
tame garden
See ur just salty that the one you use might be up for nerfs
strong forum
its not an ST corruption
ruby fog
Whats stronger overall, 1 piece of deafening crash + 2 heart of darkness or the other way around?
exotic spoke
CBegs, I had shit luck until Tuesday. Now I have two pieces worth a damn. Speg still has garbage tier luck on his Druid.
This is another major issue with the corruption system I agree with you about it.
sick sentinel
AND at the end of the day we change wayyyy too Fucking much for each piece of content
It’s kind of stupid how much we have to change to be optimal
tame garden
Is it
strong forum
but we dont
exotic spoke
However, that is temporary and it will feel better as we get more options
tame garden
It's a fucking rpg
strong forum
@ruby fog , 1x DC is must have
tame garden
Min maxing is part of the genre
ruby fog
i understand that 1dc is a must
but what is the value of dc vs heart after you have 1 dc
exotic spoke
You don’t gain much from a second Dc
sick sentinel
It is. Talents, essences, gear, azerite traits, talents, corruptions
strong forum
heart will be better overall
warm plinth
How many secondaries is Heart?
exotic spoke
If you have the corruption go HoD
sick sentinel
Dude that’s just too much
ruby fog
81~
exotic spoke
It’s not much lol
warm plinth
It's probably better than DC (obviously if you have over 25 corruption)
sick sentinel
Like people wanna do more than 1 type of content without having to literally take 10 minutes to plan everything else out
strong forum
Talents you dont really change, Gear, you dont really change, Azerite Traits, you dont really change, Corruptions you dont really change
???
exotic spoke
You have what - 7 talents choice? You can set up gear sets to swap on the fly with a button click.
tame garden
Imagine complaining that wow has too much customization
sick sentinel
Bring back defense stat if it’s gonna be this complex damn
exotic spoke
Dafuq
strong forum
wow doesnt have enough customization
sick sentinel
And legion
strong forum
honestly
wicked ridge
😬
strong forum
i want more customization
exotic spoke
Defense was stupid. “Get to 540 (or whatever)” and then worry about other things
sick sentinel
BFA is just complex to be annoying
strong forum
this is too plain
exotic spoke
It’s not complex at all?
sick sentinel
If it’s easy to change sure
strong forum
it takes 3 seconds
exotic spoke
It’s less complex than most other expansions
sick sentinel
Having to fly to the pier to change azerite traits then pay for it
warm plinth
Gotta get them crushing blows off the table
sick sentinel
Really
strong forum
to swap talents, essences and gear
sick sentinel
That can go fuck right off
strong forum
3 seconds
warm plinth
Now we're going off on tangents lol
sick sentinel
WHAT IF
strong forum
?
strong forum
then you didnt put enough thought into your character
if you dont know what youre doing
tame garden
😂
sick sentinel
you’re using wrong azerite traits because they buffed/nerfed something that was BIS last week
exotic spoke
You’re coming up with very niche complaints and blowing them out of proportion
strong forum
^
sick sentinel
No
exotic spoke
They barely touch azerite traits for the most part
strong forum
yes
sick sentinel
The more I think about it the more shit BFA seems to be
tame garden
This has gotten really silly
sick sentinel
Like just fucking terrible layered design
exotic spoke
I’m done. Enjoy moving the goal posts.
strong forum
you just cant handle simple tasks, thats about it
or rather
the illusion of choices
when in reality
theres NONE
strong forum
BFA doesnt have a lot of choices, its very clear laid out
sick sentinel
Do I want to? Fuck no
Say that to casual players
The ceiling-ground shouldn’t be so big because they added convoluted systems
wicked ridge
😴
sick sentinel
And just piled them all on each season
strong forum
i dont disagree
sick sentinel
I’m not saying everyone should be god tier
strong forum
but its all still very simple
tame garden
Casual players can pick whatever talents they want for their lfr
strong forum
like really simple
sick sentinel
Yeah but some casual players are good at the game
tame garden
Det stacks will carry
sick sentinel
They shouldn’t have to check notes every time they wanna play to see what changed in the BIS
sick sentinel
Because tuning has swayed often in BFA
tame garden
Has it
strong forum
has it
sick sentinel
Corruption has changed
tame garden
Same azerite traits same talents same essences
sick sentinel
Azerite was
analog zinc
wooo
tame garden
Only corruption has changed
analog zinc
i finally got that 10 residu i needed
tame garden
Because it's a mess
sick sentinel
Untrue
exotic spoke
I got that yesterday city
strong forum
Same Azerite Traits since January 2019, Same Talents since Beta, Corruptions have so far always been EV
exotic spoke
It’s not ideal but usable 🙂