and yea, searing breath can hurt
#protection
sweet summit
you can spell reflect for some extra damage reduction
im in the middle of a raid right now so i dont have time for much more
this, melee hits, should be higher blocked %
wooden radish
@warm plinth hi pinky
warm plinth
Hi
wooden radish
@warm plinth what happening
exotic spoke
Hi @wooden radish
wooden radish
@exotic spoke hello
exotic spoke
How goes it?
warm plinth
I'm doing dailies because I hate myself
tawny bluff
So what I’m getting is be more aware of my shield block uptime and ip to avoid rage cap. Thanks @sweet summit I appreciate you taking time from your raid to give a couple pointers
wooden radish
@exotic spoke its going ok. im wrapping up the day then i go home to prep for raid
sweet summit
yea, when you are actvely tanking. aim for 100% uptime on SB with LS, a bit of unblocked damage is fine here and there. dont be afraid to use cooldowns like demo shout, last stand and shield wall
exotic spoke
Sounds like fun @wooden radish I’m at work and then go home to either get my last two keys for KSM or have an extra raid night
tame garden
Riki popping off
wooden radish
big try hard kekw
exotic spoke
I have 10 of 12 keys
I haven’t seen a Ur at 15+ yet and I failed junkayrd twice by being too aggressive / greedy. Missed it by 8 seconds and 40 seconds
Up to like 36 keys between levels 14-17 this week
wooden radish
jesus
warm plinth
I have 0 
exotic spoke
I took the week off. I have 7 weeks of PTO I need to use this year so with some check up appointments and new patch I decided this was a good week to take off
strong forum
Timed TD 16 yesterday with 3 sec left and severe ultra inting
exotic spoke
Dentist, physical, car inspection etc
wooden radish
nice uhh Pin.... Don
warm plinth
Pin?
exotic spoke
So I quasi no lifed it. Can’t do it frequently and wanted to start learning the tricks this season and hopefully get geared
exotic spoke
The beginning of “pinky”
wooden radish
warm plinth
I GOT IT OK
ionic fern
Gif master
exotic spoke
Lol
ionic fern
Gotta improvise and adapt.
tame garden
Yeah gotta avoid offtopic emotes
strong forum
👀
wooden radish
ionic fern
strong forum
I agree with Lincoln
exotic spoke
ionic fern
👀
wooden radish
exotic spoke
Bears after Maut on week one
strong forum
Ah
exotic spoke
Then it got nerfed and they fell flat
slim pier
who is brambles
strong forum
Kekw
exotic spoke
You recovered! I’m just saying
Also, we didn’t have high hopes just to have them crushed
exotic spoke
Also, it’s a funny gif
@humble crow no - but use it if it’s your highest Ilvl shield
humble crow
D:
tame garden
Not that I wouldnt enjoy doing 80k on maut
tame garden
You insulted my peoples honor and for that you must die!
tame garden
Fine
exotic spoke
Score!
exotic spoke
Lack of secondary stats compared to other equal Ilvl shields
tame garden
Not bad just worse than stats
humble crow
hmmm k
exotic spoke
It’s the worst of the shields - at a given Ilvl. But it’s better than a shield at lower Ilvl
humble crow
so the absorb doesn't play into anything?
exotic spoke
It’s very small
humble crow
does it just not proc alot?
exotic spoke
Not sure on proc rate. But it lasts for maybe one or two hits and that’s really it. Usually, in higher difficulty content, the first hit eats it all
humble crow
was using a 440
exotic spoke
Yeah. It’s huge upgrade over that
humble crow
440 briming potential
exotic spoke
Especially since it has a socket
I got one late this week. I was happy to get a shield - but wish it was a different one.
exotic spoke
Sigh
exotic spoke
Still have a 450 weapon Nome
strong forum
Yike
exotic spoke
I’ve been screwed on drops so far. Got merekthas fang and briny barnacle for trinkets at 465 lol
strong forum
nice
But yeh same
I haven't gotten loot from 4 keys in a row
And those that I did get were already worse than what I had
Or cant use cuz corruption 🙃
limpid pawn
Riki can you link your raider io
strong forum
That's some bad luck corruption
exotic spoke
Yup. That’s all I have
I was able to convince a group member to trade me the mechagon ring. It didn’t drop for me
strong forum
Like mine is bad too, but atleast I can run t3 EV with low ilvl shit
exotic spoke
I should have done WQ but I didn’t and now I don’t have time to since I’m back at work
strong forum
I do a couple each day in hope I get an actual t3
So I can unequip the t1 and t2
And get some more ilvl that way
round linden
hey what stack amount do you guys try to start kiting for necrotic
time sensitive question
strong forum
Depends if the pack is about to die too
round linden
Okay
strong forum
Generally around 30 stacks
round linden
Thank you for the quick responses 😄
round linden
real men just tank through the whole thing
exotic spoke
I don’t frequently kite*
sweet summit
at 100 stacks
exotic spoke
And yeah - I’m a dwarf so I time using that for large pulls and push using it as late as possible
exotic spoke
Just block 4head
exotic spoke
He’s saying he doesn’t kite since it never gets to 100 obv
strong forum
Ah yes, the floor here is made out of rosjen.
tame garden
Lmao
sweet summit
😎
limpid pawn
riki a couple questions
- why not use edict and instead block? and 2) why no sphere minor?
sweet summit
necrotic week makes absorbs less valuable than crit(aka parry)
tame garden
Block does more dps
sweet summit
and/or that
tame garden
And ye healing trinkets while still good feel bad on necrotic
exotic spoke
I only ever got a 430 edict. I change essences a lot depending on what I’m doing. Not sure what I’m in.
Once I get better trinkets, on a week with necrotic, I tend to go for stats instead of healing. Things like Rezan / block / howler etc
As they aren’t punished by necrotic like healing trinkets.
I only have sphere rank 2 and am too lazy to worry about the eye ball corruption. Honestly just want formless void rank 3 to use there
sick sentinel
w0t
exotic spoke
Can’t stop doing m+
To farm honor
Honestly rate CNS / Aegis above it for what I need given my current haste
exotic spoke
I know - but vers is good in m+ too
exotic spoke
I wanted some corruption resistance and have been using vision / cns / lucid and a filler for corruption resistance cause I can’t be asked to deal with eyes when I had a shit shield
sick sentinel
You can spell reflect the eye and thing from beyond
exotic spoke
I use reflect on things that matter
sick sentinel
and haste has more value than lucid
exotic spoke
Disagree
limpid pawn
sick sentinel
350 haste perm is 350 perm, versus the chance proc at 400 vers and a little rage
gross, null
exotic spoke
I understand what they all bring. I understand that sphere is good.
I have made the decision to value the minor that gives more vers than more haste for where I am with my gear
limpid pawn
limpid pawn
sweet summit
i love it
sick sentinel
void is buns
limpid pawn
sick sentinel
^ that thing kills you
exotic spoke
Yeah it does
tame garden
It has leech tho
limpid pawn
which?
tame garden
Bis
sick sentinel
void is buns
limpid pawn
wait why does it kill me
sick sentinel
the scale kills you
tame garden
Slowfall
exotic spoke
The wings can fuck you
limpid pawn
how? maybe stupid question
isn't that only if i have to jump and not realize i have it?
tame garden
Ya
left hatch
slowfall + knockback = you're going to kenya
limpid pawn
oh shiiiiiiet
of those trinkets i listed, what would you guys use this week
and on a normal week
tame garden
U go to snap and next thing you know it's just you, the saurids, and rezan
limpid pawn
shiiiiiiiiet
exotic spoke
Nike, what azerite pieces are you running?
limpid pawn
they better get rid of that slowfall
grizzled glen
Can’t you just use that annoyance thing from engineering from preventing the slow fall?
exotic spoke
I have 3 BoM, dc, 2x Ms and some OP.
I get up to like 105% haste without hero / lust / drums.
That’s why I don’t value haste from a minor that much
sick sentinel
I have the two MS pieces
and 2 OP with them
it' just lower ilvl
and if I had those
exotic spoke
Use those for m+
sick sentinel
I'd still have sphere
exotic spoke
I wouldn’t. Vers is nice - not crit but still nice
sick sentinel
Vers is nice
exotic spoke
Saving for random roll tomorrow
sick sentinel
but haste is better
exotic spoke
Disagree. Again, it’s feelycraft, but for what I need and how vers buffs TD, I’ll take the vers
exotic spoke
CnS / aegis / lucid / sphere are the go to
That’s all you’re providing too
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sick sentinel
The more haste you have, the more you get, more shield blocks, more rage; Lucid is just a proc chance at 50 more vers than haste? more vers rather than a PERM 350 haste that affects you're entire class the entire time
you want consistency
not including the slow, and movement speed it gives you; for easier tanking benefits
400 vers is what, 2% dr?
that's nothing
tame garden
I mean if 400 vers is nothing then 350 haste is also nothing
strong forum
2.5% on top of the 15%. Chance on rage refund
tame garden
??
strong forum
You keep forgetting the refund
exotic spoke
More damage / cdr from lucid rage refund is very strong.
tame garden
Yes both are good
strong forum
And so do you from lucid
strong forum
Neither make a difference
exotic spoke
Both are good - no one is questioning this. Both are listed as the “pick these for your minors”.
For my situation I have decided the vers is worth more
sick sentinel
In no way is a minor that has such a low uptime and refund will perform better in both damage and dr no matter how much haste you get; given sphere gives you extreme consistency
exotic spoke
Ok
Zero reason to continue this discussion.
Enjoy using sphere and I’ll enjoy not using it - both are perfectly fine
short kindle
How wide is the arc of revenge, 180?
limpid pawn
man....
a bunch of people just mass reported me for "abusive chat" and got me silence for 2 days
even though I wasn't typing anything offensive at all
short kindle
lol waht did you say?
limpid pawn
this happened before several times, blizzard always reverses it for me
limpid pawn
just called someone out "jixxerxt did not do 2000 carries last season, look at his raider io - it says only 120 runs done"
then he got his friends to mass report me
is that punishable on their end?
tame garden
U toxic
limpid pawn
or is this just something people can abuse nonstop
short kindle
think people can jsut abuse this stuff
exotic spoke
Oh they totally can.
Regarding revenge I think it’s 180
short kindle
I guess you can write a ticket but doubt anything will happen
exotic spoke
If you’re wrongly silenced they will un-silence you.
limpid pawn
yeah i wrote the ticket 2x and they usually unsilence in less than a day
happened about 3-4 x to me now
short kindle
yeah i mean a ticket against the guy that mass reported
limpid pawn
i sell carries on tichondrius and the other sellers hate me
exotic spoke
Can’t ticket against them. But blizz may take action
limpid pawn
yeah I will name the guy for sure
it's a dh named jixxerxt
he lies in all of his advertisement posts "2000 players carried last season" so I like to call him out on it
because these things can easily be looked up...
exotic spoke
You right
tame garden
yeah im also reporting you
sullen valve
5️⃣
limpid pawn
or he's lying to make it look like he's better than he really is
exotic spoke
4️⃣
warm plinth
3️⃣
distant crystal
2️⃣
sick sentinel
That’s my dh name
opal fox
hello guys, someone have a nice build for echoing void?
exotic spoke
That’s pretty accurate
humble crow
you're right 😦 it's actual trash, 28 min dungeon
the hps got doubled by bury the hatchet 🤔
how ti feels to have a proc be worse then last slot azerite traits
cosmic coral
so, is there any good tank essence that can reduce my corruption?
Im thinking strength of the warden but i dunno
i can switch out sphere of spupression maybe with that?
warm plinth
Formless Void is the go-to if you need the corruption resistance
exotic spoke
Formless void rank 3 is good if your group will proc it
If you don’t have a group that’ll proc it I’d consider strength of the warden. It is inferior - but if you need corruption resistance then you take what you can get
sharp night
i wonder if things change at r3 essences
assuming people aren't running crucible to chain proc FV, 3% hp increase might be a bigger dps boost from TD/EV
exotic spoke
It’s more about the survivability it offers and group comp - assuming you need corruption resistance
sharp night
does the minor stack for FV? if not then it's not really much of a surv increase
since people are likely to use bote/iris at the same time, so you'd have ~20% uptime
exotic spoke
You’d want to cycle it depending on group comp. i know we often cycle ours so not all at the same time anyway /shrug
upbeat sage
is spell reflecting a thing from beyond just to reduce the damage or does it actually reflect it onto mobs? lol
errant shuttle
prob answered alot but I was told we can intercept/leap outrange lord waycrest strike so that our spell reflect lines up
prot pal in group doesnt feel confident surviving WM 18 atm so we are thinking of swapping role for completion
sick sentinel
Can you do this? I didnt know
thorny furnace
guys, is there a need like arms to stack 3 of a trait in order to play this spec
or is it just get deafening crash and bastion on everything
craggy harness
just the 1 DC
warm plinth
You want BoM x3 eventually but it doesn't make the spec garbage if you don't have it.
thorny furnace
reason why i ask is i have 2x BoM currently and one DC on my chest, but my helm has arcane heart
and i was wondering if the uh...
pvp plate headcover is any good
has bastion and callous reprisal/battlefield precision
warm plinth
Not the greatest but bastion is bastion and if you have no other options, I'd use it.
thorny furnace
my only other option isssssssssss
greathelm of the tender
which also has bloodsport on it
or the 475 engi helm but that has no bastion and that leaves me with one
oh wait the vex chest has bastion on it
YEAAAAAS
that solves that problem
left hatch
bloodsport is bad
it and callous are just flat out awful
compared to the other spec traits
and even compared to generic stat increases
thorny furnace
well the vex chest has uh
Bastion and either brace for impact or heart of darkness
left hatch
both are really good options (:
thorny furnace
engi helm has DC and whatever middle ring is good for tanks
left hatch
was just commenting on the "it also has bloodsport"
thorny furnace
i think i made better choices :p
left hatch
cause a lot of newer prots take it cause it looks shiny or makes HPS meters look good
but is super lackluster compared to basically any other choice you have
whole dove
how difficult to deal with is "thing from beyond" in m+
left hatch
depends how high over 40 you go
and in raid its easier because theres less things that NEED SR
if you're just over 40 its pretty easy cause hes slow af, and can just stormbolt it and walk away a bit
or SR assuming you do'nt need it for Rixxa, cyclone strike, casters etc
drowsy veldt
What are you reflecting on rixxa
left hatch
chemical burn
drowsy veldt
Ah ok I try to didn’t know if it was workin lol
warm plinth
Targets the two closest people
left hatch
yah, huge boost to dps and cuts off a massive load from your healer
sine you can reflect every other one
little wigs has an accurate timer for it, just stand closest to her with SR active
drowsy veldt
Oh nice!
left hatch
theres a bunch of stuff in dungeons that don't seem reflectable but are, like Lord Waycrests claw dot
drowsy veldt
Does little wig have other types of timers for other bosses? I’ve always just used dbm
left hatch
yah, they're on par for raid but little wigs is WAY better for dungeons
left hatch
theres a google doc in FAQ/guides channel too that has a list of everything thats reflectable
and ngl its super satisfying to deal 1M damage per cyclone strike by reflecting it
drowsy veldt
Oh yeah it is lol do you reflect all? I usually try to only take a few do them
warm plinth
You can reflect every other one
thorny furnace
yeah, im gunna start tanking keys next week since its an easy week to learn how
drowsy veldt
I meant all the cyclones
warm plinth
Oh, yeah
drowsy veldt
Huh ok I’ll giver
left hatch
i think its every other cast
most boss reflectable things like that its every other
with exceptions being 1st boss in ML and 3rd in shrine cause they just spam cast
drowsy veldt
Will help on rixxa the most she rough
sick sentinel
i know theres only two places with magic damage really in KR
chilly brook
the same setup for every other key??
chilly brook
What I'm saying
Is that KR doesn't have anything special where you'd want to deviate from standard setup
sick sentinel
ok and there's like 5 diff setups
chilly brook
Not really
sick sentinel
some use what i have for necrotic, some swap null for memory, some swap sphere for memory
chilly brook
Null has 0 use in most keys
chilly brook
it doesn't pop regularly enough in most keys for it to be worth
in raid sure
keys are mostly physical
And sphere is ok
but tbh you'd probably be better off with CnS
inland silo
nulls definitely good
sick sentinel
so this week in KR. which would you suggest?
chilly brook
You missed the keyword
"most keys"
Literally verbatum from the guides "There is not enough magic damage in most dungeons to justify taking Nullification Dynamo."
left hatch
the only time its really good is for last 2 bosses of tyranical ML
chilly brook
If you don't want to believe me or the guide feel free to tag a theorycrafter
chilly brook
VoP Major, CnS/Aegis/Lucid
left hatch
add in sphere
cause aegis is semi-situational
esp this week wehre you cant mega pull and tyranical
chilly brook
insert corruption minor if you need it
but most of the time you're going to be VoP Major, CnS/Aegis minor, Lucid/Sphere, flex
left hatch
^
chilly brook
And Aegis is rarely a go to tbh
Hence why I said there's really only one build for M+
not 5
left hatch
the other consideration with Null and how good it is in Raid vs. M+ is that its a split damage effect
the other go to essences scale in value based on pull size
Null remains static
so even if you are able to consistently pop it (by doing kinda dumb shit by like standing in your eye and essentially wasting the absorb for a bit of dps)
the other essences will give more the longer yo'ure in aoe situations
fringe marten
About to try a new route on Atal'Dazar I think; you guys killing the dino pack this week? I think if I'm willing to muscle that pack down I can make a much better route.
left hatch
what would dino pack have to do with routing?
its not in the way of anything
except its obilisk
and you can just have someone with feign,vanish,shadowmeld pull it away
or failing that pull away ->die and use an entry portal
but regardless the dino pack is always pretty easy, on bolstering you need to seperate out the saurids first
fringe marten
You can, and that's what I've been doing.
So you can pull the 'blood goo' pylon miniboss down near t he middle, to create a rift to exit from...after you use the center pylon to skip up to Priestess alun'za..
The problem is, you have to kite him down there to get the rift point..then stay in shadow realm, go all the way back, exit out..continue dungeon.
If you blast the dino pack; it allows you to carve away extra mobs elsewhere in dungeon...but also not have to use the blood mini to create a portal there, saving you the kite and runback time.
barren aurora
This week in atal you should go obelisk to volkaal, and then go from left side to priestess imo
Then down to rezan
Include the middle pack and do voidweaver with yazma
plush prism
hey y'all is there anywhere that has a good route for awakened Freehold? i havent done it yet
craggy harness
any resource yet on that? nods
sick sentinel
method dungeon tools?
craggy harness
just was experimenting in mech workshop, they definitely asked to pull to many
i have it open, doesn't seem to show the awakaned
sick sentinel
workshop is 2.5%
craggy harness
ty
sick sentinel
you need to update then
it def shows awakened
or delete method tools and reopen it up
craggy harness
okay, that might be it, was just relying on auto updates from twitch
hmm, i think i know where i went wrong
you have to select the seasonal affix at bottom right
even if the affix at the top right is correct?
tyvm
oblique garnet
Workshop is 2.02%
craggy harness
not sure using the tool counts as proof
but the numbers work out
from a run i just did
sick sentinel
I've done a lot of runs, it's 2.5%
craggy harness
nods yeah, but it feels like a kind of an argumental fallacy of some sort 😛
anyway, thanks for the help pointing me to right way to use MDT
woven venture
Only thing you can skip in workshop is the very last pack and like one other thing. We did all trash and got 100 without the last solo mark 3 and the final pack. Don't think there's anything else worth skipping more.
sick sentinel
You skip the 2 padding packs on the bridge and the 6 pack
you never want to do those
lethal current
how are you guys dealing with the tank buster mini-boss spirit breaker is physical so spell reflect is useless and you cant block it so shield block is useless
sick sentinel
Out range it
lethal current
so basically hope that my dps clears the ghuun blobs fast enough for me to run away
sick sentinel
Do you not have heroic leap
lethal current
well yeah but in in some dungeons like workshop the tank buster is in a really annoying spot
sick sentinel
Yeah but should still be able to leap away
I don’t know thats how I’ve always dealt with it
sick sentinel
You los spam it
over and ove
r
then it'll cast aoe
then los spam it over and over
Just don't have his Hitbox tucked into a wall or next to one otherwise he'll clip you through it
fringe marten
For group play in visions; do you want to research Vision hunter, or Experimental Destabilization?
left hatch
Vision Hunter is a lot of constant haste with ~100% uptime
nice synergy with Gift too
but we went Experimental first
either way you'll most likely get the other one right after Gift
unless yo'ure the tank like me and get the free rez while they get the haste buff ):
fringe marten
yeah it definitely seemed more appealing, so I was already eyeing that.
left hatch
if you want a true masters opinion on the best talents to get ask @exotic spoke
hes the aficionado on visions
exotic spoke
I do love visions 🙂
exotic spoke
Vision hunter is the haste and move speed right? If so that’s the go too imo . You’ll have it up almost all the time
exotic spoke
Start doing some
warm plinth
I am thinking about doing a mask run tonight to see how far I can get
Since I'm not as comfortable with Stormwind and probably won't full clear right away next week.
exotic spoke
@left hatch honestly, we valued the self Rez over the extra damage. Damage isn’t an issue - it’s time. More time more better. Gear will let us pull bigger
left hatch
that makes sense, i was thinking about it as we usually have 1 death to something stupid, so only id need the free rez
exotic spoke
also 3% damage all the time
Versus half the time damage increase. But yeah started filling out that tree now. Have like 5 more talents to get before saving for sockets
ruby nexus
How many zones do you have to clear with mask to make it worth more mementos than a full clear
warm plinth
Well, you get 1200 total from a full clear with no mask (just from completing the objectives and killing the boss). That's 150 from each corrupted area, 300 from each lost, and 300 from the main boss (full clear gives 300 from that chest).
However, if you do not full clear with a mask, the main chest only gives 140 + 40 for each zone completed. E.g. if you complete 3 zones, it would be 260.
So if you did a 2 zone clear (let's say 1 corrupted 1 lost), you'd get 540+220=760. If you did 3 (i.e. 2 corrupted 1 lost), you'd get 720+260=980.
TL;DR: you basically have to full clear with a mask for it to be more mementos than a full clear without one. HOWEVER, none of the math above includes the mementos from non-objectives (like chests, which would also get 25% extra for each mask).
sick sentinel
Which dungeons will you use Null barrier in? Is it KR?
sick sentinel
Ok
left hatch
hmmm you're supposed to be able to OOR indegestion in UR
or side step it
but couldn't get the hang of it tonight in a 15 and he absolutely rekt me
is there any tip for dealing with it? iv heard yo'ure supposed to be able to sidestep in the last second or if you run away when he starts casting you oor it?
warm plinth
At about .6 seconds left on his timer for charge/indigestion, start strafing away from him
He will root himself at around that time and start casting, and you'll easily get out of range.
If you wait til he starts casting, you probably won't make it unless you have super quick reflexes
ionic fern
Sidestep is bad tho.
I usually just start backpeddaling like 2s before he casts it and just keep on walking backwards and you won't get hit since as Ghash said..he roots himself when he casts.
warm plinth
Yeah sidestepping it does not work. He will always turn to face you regardless of whether he's started casting or not.
You'll have to guess on the first cast in each rotation but after the first one you'll know what's coming next since he always does Charge>Indigestion>Charge or Indigestion>Charge>Maybe a 2nd Charge
left hatch
huh thatll do it, i was trying to heroic leap while he was casting away from him
and got hit each time
ionic fern
Jeh, that's iffy
left turret
Hey guys i am new as a prot warrior. Can use a hand about bis gear for warrior what trinkets and gears i should farm for m+ ? Can you give me some advices please ?
İ know there are guides but i wanna hear from the guys in fields as well
left hatch
mmm Mwahi makes and maintains the icy veins guy so most of what you'll hear here is just a rehash of what that says
so best bet is go read that and come back when/if you have more questions
especially with someone as broad as "gear and advice"
strong forum
Well the icy veins guide is written by the dude above your question @left turret :) and generally bis is whatever has haste + X, depending on what youre doing.
Haste > crit for m+
Haste > vers for raid
strong crown
ionic fern
Rezans,Urchin,Edict,Gore-block, Black dragonscale are all decent.
zenith vigil
wow
neither icy veins nor wowhead has any suggestion whatsoever on this azerite
"apothecary's concoctions
although it's competing against bastion of might when vision of perfection is my main essence, so i suspect it's booty\
ember plinth
Yeah, it's probably on one of the 445s from an emissary reward. Honestly never seen it before
undone sun
even being a 3rppm, the proc is split between heals and damage
ionic fern
I've legit never ever seen it drop.
1)It's RNG (not a hasted proc iirc)
2)The numbers it shows seem to be really low.
3)Under what circumstance would it compete with BoM? o.o
Plus i'm pretty sure that it's ST only.
Never seen it drop tho so..🤷
undone sun
Your damaging abilities have a chance to deal 4275 Plague damage over 6 sec, and your healing abilities have a chance to restore 8178 health over 6 sec. These effects are increased by up to 100% based on the target's missing health.
i don't know if wowhead's numbers are off, but that sounds real low
ember plinth
It's only from warfront pieces, so I'm assuming that I've just scrapped it without looking at it
ionic fern
@zenith vigil what numbers does your in game piece show?
zenith vigil
@ionic fern https://i.imgur.com/CIQU8KE.png
when it's competing with bastion of might, there's no chance
finite gull
Thoughts between the 2 of these? Is the weap damage worth losing the vers/mastery? 
zenith vigil
also
what have yall settled on for major/minor essence for m+
major seems to be vision unless you're a turbopusher high tier
and then null magic, conf and strife, and lucid dreams
alpine iris
Guys is there any way to improve hps? My guildies complain a lot on raids for my hps being so low.
left hatch
not null
zenith vigil
no null, not even rank3?
ionic fern
VoP->Aegis/Lucid/CnS (CoF minor in some tyrannical high keys also for me).
For me currently
Sphere is decent also.
zenith vigil
i figured there'd be enough magic dmg to make it worth it
ionic fern
@alpine iris you're a warrior..you're not supposed to pump HPS. o.o
left hatch
null 3 is raid only
zenith vigil
guess not
ionic fern
You're supposed to mitigate damage.
left hatch
nope, doesn't proc consistently enough in most situations
ionic fern
@finite gull Damage wise it's worth it.
left hatch
and even if it did nulls dps is split... so it wont scale with pull
finite gull
@ionic fern Thanks mate 🙂
ionic fern
++
left hatch
yup stat sticks > all
ionic fern
👀
undone sun
ionic fern
zenith vigil
hm
no place for strength of the warden?
or is that big dick versatility just king
ionic fern
Do you need the +10 corruption resistance?
zenith vigil
nop
ionic fern
If you need it then take it. Otherwise don't.
zenith vigil
unless i get some GANG ass corruption gear out of my weekly chest
zenith vigil
some real hood shit
ionic fern
And still be below 40 corruption
zenith vigil
i wish ingame it showed you
ember plinth
Yeah, I'm actually tempted to test run crucible major + formless void since vop doesn't proc the void strength buff. Depends on the corruption I have though
zenith vigil
when you mouse over the goddamn item with the corruption
ember plinth
Yeah, but my aoe won't matter if I have 2x r2 echoing void
zenith vigil
also
unequivocally FUCK leveling engi for the baller helm
it is aids and i'm bleeding money out my asshole
left hatch
if st won't matter why run crucible o.0
zenith vigil
ssure is titanforging 2.0 in here
ionic fern
Also, be a bit more reserved with your wording Bluemajere - not everyone here is 18+. 😉
ember plinth
So the strength buff from running void procs Morrison, it currently doesn't off of VoP
Would have a 66% uptime by myself if I just hit crucible on cooldown
ionic fern
But i agree - leveling engineering is a pain.
ember plinth
Probably not worth it
Will have to wait until the RNG corruption gods bless me, then try it
zenith vigil
interesting enough
left hatch
i mean i get what you're saying, to proc your own formless
left hatch
but i still think its way inferior to VoP
ionic fern
It's goooood @zenith vigil
sweet summit
Rng>bombs on engi helm
left hatch
and its very doubtful 3% stam even with 2 EVs would buff your EV enough to make up losing giga verse
or VoP major
ember plinth
The bombs one likes to pull stuff through the floors
zenith vigil
this one seems hilarious
but shit
target literally be out here being a spark coil
ionic fern
Stamina flask + enchants+gem lets go
pretend to be a VDH
Stack leech also.
For giga memes.
zenith vigil
due to my strange azerite pieces
undone sun
ban yourself mwahi
zenith vigil
i actually have 4% leech always
ionic fern
😂
oblique garnet
zenith vigil
my mastery is at 36% and haste is at 26%
oblique garnet
Never
zenith vigil
considering i resubbed 2 weeks ago and this character was lv 110
feelsgood man taking what i can get
left hatch
yikes bloodsport
undone sun
...
ionic fern
Wat
tame garden
oblique garnet
Tbf with leech corruption you can make some wild m+ builds
zenith vigil
delet that boring trait
ionic fern
If only i had it. I'd go Lucid major + triple BS + Siphoning + all the leech gear i got for memes.
left hatch
less boring than 'subsequent SS's do more damage'
ionic fern
BfI is good @zenith vigil o.o
undone sun
better than BS
ionic fern
^
left hatch
yikes, giving up best ST trait for the worst possible one
undone sun
🤣
zenith vigil
i was actually
trying to get away from taking thunderous blast
because i have weird shoulder choices
but if it;s really that much worse i suppose i cannot avovid it
the real question for the engi helm is
self cauterizer
or little cute shieldbot
just kidding of course it's babby shieldbot
oblique garnet
gaunt dawn
tropic oriole
Hey guys, 3 questions. 1. Is there a haste cap? Do I socket 60 haste or 120 strength? Force multiplier or versatile navigation as weapon enchant?
ionic fern
1)No.
2)Str
3)Force Multiplier
tropic oriole
Thanks a lot! :)
zenith vigil
oh shit
just got 460 helm
but what the fuck is rezan's fury and why isn't it on a guide
ionic fern
OP.
undone sun
OP is very strong, Blood siphon just exists
ionic fern
IV.
zenith vigil
nice
hm
got 455 boots with socket
with correct stats
but 465 boots with not so correct stats with no socket
🤔
vers big haste small vs
vers big mastery small
socket wins that no contest right?
zenith vigil
the higher iLVL ones also have an ELITE proc
look at this how can you say no
I just can't stop winning
tame garden
jagged stump
I was wondering if it would be any good to start running ‘breath of the dying’ as a tank in the 75th slot, and how would I get it to rank 2, by changing spec so I get those ‘breaths’ 3x again?
sweet summit
Isnt breath a dps only essence?
ionic fern
Yes it is.
jagged stump
Ok! No way that will work then. Thanks.
dreamy fulcrum
Is Haste still top stat this tier overall?
worn basalt
Hard a really hard time with Gunker in Junkyard on a +15 key.
Any tips on how to reset the necrotic stacks?
I'm running with a disc priest, also i'm not Night elf/dwarf to instantly drop stacks
dreamy fulcrum
^ blizz forgot about necro clearing mechanics on mechagon bosses, had same issues. I asked my dps to tank few hits after casts
Other than that: idk :C
worn basalt
Was the dps able to take a few hits? Seems to hit pretty hard on tyrannical 15 at that level
ionic fern
@dreamy fulcrum yes.
wheat python
Hey protection discord! What do you guys think about the M+ affixes this week? Which keys are gonna be good to push vs the not so easy ones?
ionic fern
Is this a NA question?
dreamy fulcrum
Well, if he has something to use to survive, other than that you csn clear stacks via CR 😅
ionic fern
Since we're still at Bursting/Necrotic.
wheat python
I mean after the reset
ionic fern
What are the affixes even?
worn basalt
CR?
dreamy fulcrum
Combat ress
worn basalt
haahaha oh
wheat python
Sanguine / volcanic
ionic fern
oh, pog
Easy week.
Enjoy.
WM/TD will be a pain with Sanguine - other than that it should be fine.
worn basalt
I thought it was sanguine/quaking?
wheat python
Oops you're right. Sanguine quaking
wheat python
I see. Thanks!
glacial flint
outWHO ? 
(WM+16 intime 6min left)
mental scarab
Lul
nova gale
What corruptions are sought after for m+? Been struggling to find it in any guides etc. If anyone would point me the way I''d be very thankful 🙂
strong forum
EV
prime sundial
Hi ! Is there any weak aura or other that could make a sound or screen when shield reflect has worked pls ?
mental scarab
👀
strong forum
Maybe #ui-addons-manager can help you
But generally I just track the buff
And I see when it gets consumed
prime sundial
ok thx
still flame
So I realized I've got the Haste proc for the Mechagon trinket but dont know if i should use it. which 2 trinkets should I be using?
glacial flint
@nova gale echoing void rank 3 + something with 10-15 corruption 😉
strong forum
I'd stick with rezans and scale
Also EV t3 is enough corruption unless you wanna use one of the corruption resistance essences
With EV r3 you're at 33 corruption after resistance
nova gale
ty
glacial flint
yy missed that to add ^^
still flame
thanks as always @strong forum
wooden radish
@strong forum for Stormforged
daring marlin
strong forum
That's my OG avatar
Which I made myself, with sweat and blood, beautifully made in paint in approx 2minutes
sick sentinel
@glacial flint u have 3 bastion azerite ?
glacial flint
@sick sentinel ye
sick sentinel
i'm 458 ilvl & i have 20k dps overall on mm+12
sick sentinel
i have only 1 bastion
strong forum
That's weirdly low my guy
Are you using avatar + demo on CD?
With unstoppable force talented
glacial flint
depends on dungeon but 25k+ shout be available everytime
sick sentinel
what do u think about my stuff ? https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/archimonde/Umteetee
glacial flint
demo increases dmg yes ..
strong forum
I'd be mad if I'm below 40k nowadays tbh
glacial flint
delete your trinkets 😄
strong forum
Yeah, they're big yikes.
Defensive trinkets aren't very good in bfa besides the hiccup that were Edict and Urchin.
Youre better off using gore block / rezans from +
Jes howler is fine but I personally don't like the CD on it.
glacial flint
yeah ur azerites not rly that great to deal dmg 😛
exotic spoke
Morning all!
strong forum
Your Azerite isn't the best, but shouldn't impede you from doing atleast 30k+ dps on average
Having Corruptions like Echoing void will give you another 10k overall dps increase in keys
sick sentinel
46K is pretty low for waycrest
glacial flint
maybe not cocky enough and pulling 3mobs xD because of necro / bursting KEKW
strong forum
That's also a factor
sick sentinel
Bursting doesn't affect your pulls in in waycrest
because most mobs don't burst or are all very different health pools
It's necrotic
strong forum
Bursting doesn't no, but necrotic skews your overall cuz kiting
sick sentinel
but you had a pally
glacial flint
i love trolls like @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
so necrotic
is irrelevant also
with a pally
I'm not trolling
...
You have bop for all the big pulls in waycrest
exotic spoke
He’s not trolling
glacial flint
@sick sentinel hope you get ur 75 neck for nullbarriere 🙂
strong forum
He's not trolling, just an above average viewpoint
exotic spoke
Necrotic can almost be a non issue for warriors. Throw in a paladin bop + cancel macro and it’s almost non existent
glacial flint
just be a dwarf like me 🙂
sick sentinel
That makes it even worse for you then
exotic spoke
Even more so 🙂
still flame
Is Formless Void a must have for all content you think?
exotic spoke
No, it’s not a must have
sweet summit
if you need the corruption resistance its ait
exotic spoke
If you need corruption resistance it’s the best one but if you don’t need it there are better options
still flame
Right now I've got VoP Major with Aegis of the Deep, Lucid Dreams, and Nullification Dynamo as minors
strong forum
Work on getting sphere and cns
sweet summit
^
strong forum
Null is only really useful on WM and ML
sick sentinel
Null is stretching it now
sweet summit
its not even that great in wcm or ml
sick sentinel
as you can' skip most of the raal hallway
now with new affix
it's actual bunsn ow
maybe ML on tyran?
about it
strong forum
Raal is w/e
still flame
o ok. so ive got CnS Rank 1, should I swap that in?
strong forum
Get rank 3, before that it's not really good
glacial flint
@still flame yeah that standart.. then u just change aegis for tyrannical / small pull keys for like CnS or the new "Strength of the Warden" is ok too ~ 6% extra heal at rank 1 + 10corruption res = 1 item more for 3-6% dmg
still flame
ok and i dont have sphere. ive never done PvP much
strong forum
Aegis is situational too imo, I don't like it in most of the dungeons
Not enough big pulls to be had
Especially on tyra its kinda meh
Null in Workshop is great BTW
sick sentinel
ah ye
everything there is magic
workshop is probably the only true dungeon you'd use it
glacial flint
yeah tryed major nullbarriere back then on hardmode 😂 was nice on 1st / last boss esp.
strong forum
In Workshop I'd even say go Cof Major
still flame
ok. yeah it was fun. i guess il have to grind Mechagon to get Rank 3 Null Dynamo?
strong forum
Only ST
still flame
true
sick sentinel
@glacial flint nullbarriere essence mecagone
strong forum
And devastator
strong forum
Eh
sick sentinel
that extra rage helps
ionic fern
Wat
sick sentinel
and last boss too
sick sentinel
try a 18
glacial flint
@still flame the essence via Rep on mechagon are nerfed AF.. did them in 7 days on my twink before christmas 😄
sick sentinel
they scale extremely high
strong forum
Hmm.
glacial flint
from 0 to exalted
exotic spoke
Starts hurting once you get higher. Did a 17 last night
sick sentinel
^
it scales
extremely
ok this is important essence ?
third boss is impossible without lust
strong forum
Tbh the blob hurts the most, and third boss is literally nothing to heal I feel like.
Ye first boss is rippy for dps
But I guess that changes at 17/18
glacial flint
@sick sentinel nullbarriere minor is like 95% fix set since they introduced it.. always 3-6% absorb / dmg
sick sentinel
Nom, the last boss pull on an 18 I think is 350? 400k?
per hit
and it pulses 3/4 times
within seconds
It's predictable but will kill people if they don't know how to deal with it
ionic fern
What are we talking about?
strong forum
Workshop
strong forum
15/16 is cakewalk, I guess 18 starts hurting ye
strong forum
True
strong forum
Ye that I know
sick sentinel
it's rough
strong forum
They have to nerf him tbh
sick sentinel
Fear is worse to be honest
strong forum
It's not acceptable that you absolutely have to avoid his buster at all costs on higher keys
strong forum
I get that
sick sentinel
it's just death
exotic spoke
We had been farming 15s 16s for easy gear. Did 17 KR. Stepped into 17 workshop and we werent prepared for it
sick sentinel
ye at this point KR is vastly easier than workshop rn
strong forum
But its not acceptable to have raw 1 shots from a non blockable attack
sick sentinel
and tank buster is just overscaled in high keys
strong forum
You should be able to play around it without abusing kiting / los
exotic spoke
Have some good spots for kiting/ losing tank buster already but fuck fear
strong forum
And fear guy is giga easy if you have a shaman
exotic spoke
Bleed + bursting + necrotic
strong forum
Ye thats bullshit
strong forum
These adds shouldn't be afflicted by affixes
sick sentinel
two shots poeple
strong forum
Earth ele
exotic spoke
Honestly haven’t seen that. But perhaps it’s because we have a spriest
sick sentinel
ye spriests work
since you are dispelling before fear pops
but tremor doesn't work like that
exotic spoke
Yeah
strong forum
BTW, any way I can manipulate the suicide bombers into all exploding at the same time
still flame
so the CnS next rank I have to get 1000+ rank in PvP and Sphere I have to complete "Storming The Battlefield" -- ny tips for completing these or just google it
exotic spoke
@still flame you can do it as prot. Probably easier to do it as fury or arms though
The squirrels?
novel agate
I have enough TR to roll this week. i have 450 in all slots, all 3 have BoM any suggestion to what i should roll first or does it not really matter because of the Ilvl jump on all 3 of them
still flame
thanks @exotic spoke I've been meaning to get into Arms so may have to now
sick sentinel
Probably roll a chest
exotic spoke
Most stats
sick sentinel
as that's the only piece that doesn't drop from last bosses heroic
strong forum
I'll roll shoulders cuz I already have decent chest and engi helmet
exotic spoke
I’m rolling chest tonight because I have heroic helm already and can get mythic shoulders
still flame
So here's where I'm at at the moment, anything you'd change or prioritize improving?(besides transmogging 🙂 ) https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/bonechewer/Mooberrypie
sick sentinel
link a sim not a armory
still flame
ok here's my sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7mXxhxL9WXj4V3jHe9G3dQ
mortal brook
still flame
@exotic spoke Shield because its not the right stats Im guessing, but why trinkets?
still flame
🙂
blazing condor
as a zandalari warrior are there any specific loas i should use for tanking?
strong forum
The crit one
analog zinc
