my gear atm
#protection
crystal dirge
running 445 shield PepeHands
nothing dropped, and the cunt guild shaman kept his socket BoE
ivory barn
azerite and shield? oof. I have a trinket/azerite problem
sick sentinel
well my trinkets are buns also
Not having vita nor scale
highest rezans I have is 440
and block is 430
crystal dirge
It'll come tho, all my pushmates are stressing about gear, but it's only the 2nd week
2-3 more and we'll be buff af
hardy vault
dumb question - did they buffed bursting by a shit ton? Or are healers this week trolling? π
left hatch
bursting was always % max health
so if you've got a lot of upgrades and your healer hasn't, you're now much harder to keep up through it
crystal dirge
Also necrotic? Hello?
left hatch
that too lul
crystal dirge
I told my dudes if they start to kill things before I reset I'll just meld the stacks and they can tank
Worked so far π€
left hatch
the only pack its really fucked me on
was the saurids + dactyl in AD
since the dactyl keeps us in combat when the saurids all explode
crystal dirge
Blobs in sots stack to 50 in 2sec
Maggots in wcm too, and no room to kite
Biggest yikes for me is the tankbuster+growths giving bursting stacks
left hatch
yah i really hope they walk back awakened mobs having on death effects
limpid pawn
what am I simming for mythic + though
b/c i am also counting on higher survivability right
tardy warren
Help this noob warrior out with essences. Should I change up what I'm using?
grand drum
you should change vision with null
left hatch
and get CnS instead of Aegis
and get sphere for the 3rd minor slot
@limpid pawn 5 ilvls on wrist or 1 socket isn't going to meaningfully impact your survivability
tardy warren
thank you
left hatch
and making things dead is a 100% damage reduction
so dps is ALWAYS a consideration, even more so in M+
tardy warren
Ok, that's what I'm asking for, M+ mainly
left hatch
oh that was for brolikk but yah for you as well
Vision Major, CnS, Lucid, Sphere is a pretty solid all purpose build
sometimes aegis is nice instead of lucid on like teeming but eh
pallid berry
hey so i got two azerite pieces with both deafening and bom
and ones higher ilvl, do i want better bom or deafening
left hatch
wait both of them have DC and BoM?
why not just go higher ilvl since itll directly upgrade both traits
pallid berry
no theyre two separate pieces that im using
shoulders and chest
i wanted to know if it mattered which one got the higher ilvl essance
left hatch
the increase to BoM matters more
cause the strong part of DC is the increased duration of Shout
and that doesn't scale with ilvl
shadow tapir
Any tips for Vexiona, getting trucked.
left hatch
heroic or mythic
shadow tapir
heroic
left hatch
whats trucking you
pallid berry
dont use last stand on despair
left hatch
last stand is fine on despair
left hatch
its the healers job to keep you topped off in that case
shadow tapir
can we not reflect despair?
left hatch
reflect just diminshes the ticks before it explodes
its still like 90% a healer mechanic
shadow tapir
Oh, I thought I read somewhere that you could deflect the explosion. Unless, that was just theory?
pallid berry
well apparently it give you more health
which does more damage if ya not topped off
no need to really risk it
left hatch
right, but if you need it for the block for instance
sick sentinel
Dam I asked a simple question and getting toxic as fuck responses
left hatch
its better to use LS for the dragon punching you
shadow tapir
Ok. So it's really just utilize ignore pain and hope the healers can keep uP/
left hatch
than eat that phys damage and take a lot more dmg to top off
shadow tapir
up?*
left hatch
assuming you still have the dragon on you for despair you still need to use SB/bolster
iv been using SR on either the breath right before despair or as its cast to mitigate it
shadow tapir
Ok.
left hatch
and yah smart use of IP
shadow tapir
I even swapped into urchin and edict haha
left hatch
tbh it shouldn't be that big a deal to top you off. if despair is exploding its on your heals being bad
fights just real nasty with a bad heal team.... since that and annihilation are basically 'jesus take the wheel' tank mechanics
west galleon
i hope so
fringe marten
Ok so..? On Heroic Shad'har the abilities cycle faster than taunt does (you can leap once for a reset but then it's down for a bit) How do you counter this?
empty locust
there is time for taunt, just need to be ready so you only take either the Crush or the dissolve
you can take more than one as long as its the same
fringe marten
Right, what I'm saying is...let's say I'm the On tank; I get crushed..he starts casting dissolve, DK taunts..he starts casting crush again: I need to taunt back but it's on CD from a previous swap.
empty locust
if crush is cast twice and you took the first you keep it and hte other tank does not taunt until the second crush hits
fringe marten
the DK would be the dissolve tank, he had it from the previous combo..but he opens with crush: so I taunt..he dissolves, so DK taunts, he crushes again..I need to taunt but it's on CD (and it's the second time it's happened so leap on CD)
empty locust
after each combo there is time for it to reset
fringe marten
I'm guessing it's just a setup issue where we need to reset it to a specific tank each time.
empty locust
I stuffed up and took one of each, used a CD and tbh it was not that bad
fringe marten
Yeah I was able to survive as well.
But I think I realize the solution...I am way overthinking it.
warm plinth
Rank 3 is required
flat jackal
What's the name of the item that doesn't let you slow fall?
left hatch
neural silencer and Magical Intrusion Dampener were supposed to work
but Magical Intrusion Dampener 100% did not haha
havn't tested neural Silencer yet
oblique garnet
it does not work
shadow tapir
Anyone happen to have a pawn profile to import?
warm plinth
Well, the first thing you should know is that no pawn profile would be effective other than your own. And the second thing you should know is: don't use pawn.
warm plinth
6% what
round vortex
Hey team, does Avatar remove the stacking slow on Wrathion Mythic?
slow oxide
Yeah, it resets your stacks and you insta keep stacking again when you move
round vortex
yeah just wanted to know categorically if someone knows it resets the stacks
since the competitive wow reddit and the wowhead guide doesnt mention it but mentions everything else lol
slow oxide
Haha yeah it definitely does reset your stacks
round vortex
sweet as lol
ionic fern
I guess this is a #vanilla-discussion type of question from the "deep prot shield tanking" ?
verbal comet
okay thanks, sorry
fringe marten
What are folks digging for their M+ loadout now for essences, Vision Major, Null, Conflict, ..Aegis/Sphere/Lucid?
ionic fern
Remove Null and pretty much yes,
fringe marten
for a ton of keys it's not only good absorb but a lot of damage output.
But yes, it's not for every zone.
left hatch
ton of keys is an oversell
fringe marten
not sure what is better for most zones as the final one.. Lucic, or sphere..?
Yeah, for a couple zones to be accurate.
left hatch
Vision, CnS, Sphere and Lucid is the best general usage
Aegis is situational
like teeming or constantly chain pulling so you're always in combat with 5+ things
which isn't this week lol
brave skiff
i just started playing prot and these are the essences that are available to me... im farming lucid and vision etc but are there any essences that i could use while im farming the bis essences?
ionic fern
CoF->CnS->VoP would be my go to.
brave skiff
thank you :)
tropic oriole
Ist worth farming Null rank 3?
tame garden
Do you tank raids or only dungeons?
ebon hound
I'd argue yes if you're raiding
tame garden
Then nah
tropic oriole
ok, thanks
rocky garnet
so
i have a 460 6% crit, or the wrists from mechagon
anodized deflectors, also 460
ionic fern
You can sim it. π
rocky garnet
for damage?
ionic fern
Yeah
rocky garnet
the bracers are just for armor and shit so theyll be less for sure
daring bay
Does nullification dynamo the major remove necrotic? :O
Might be pretty good then this week
strong forum
Necrotic is a bleed
So idk
In any case it would not be worth given that necrotic is mostly a non issue
daring bay
How is it a non issue?
strong forum
It's more dangerous for tanks that require healing :)
strong forum
And since its also a tyrannical week, trash is gonna die before reaching dangerous necrotic levels
left hatch
and bosses reset stacks naturally with proper play
strong forum
Shockwave/leap are great for resetting necrotic stacks if needed,
choosing other essences for the sole purpose of trying to remove necrotic easier is not the play to do
distant crystal
mortal brook
rip that deposit
rare kelp
Morning all ! Any thoughts on Fusion Hacker from Mecha!?!
Thank you in advance
ionic fern
Is it your highest ilvl weapon?
You can always sim for DPS if you're in doubt. π
ripe cypress
Hi guys! I just returned to wow and am a bit confused as to wheter Devestator is better than Booming Voice or if there's a certain point at which is more useful?
ebon hound
Devastator is better dps single target. For any other situation take booming voice.
ripe cypress
Okey, I see. Thank you!
ebon hound
In most cases. You might want to sim for yourself to say for sure
maiden ravine
I like booming voice with anger management and echoing void haha
strong forum
Devastator is purely for ST dmg on bosses in raid
In every other scenario you pick booming voice
Also Kyle, echoing void does not benefit off of the dmg buff from Demo shout regardless
Demo shout and Avatar only afflict class abilities
strong forum
Did UR 15 yesterday with t2 + t1 EV, did a little bit less than my TC on overall
But ez 10k dps gain
Still below 50k tho...
Gotta work on that
wary lantern
Are you guys playing Reckless Flurry in raid for dps? or is it waste of trait?
strong forum
For pure ST damage you can roll it
strong forum
Kind off, yea
ionic fern
Jep, it's usually like 1-2k extra DPS.
wary lantern
1-2k per trait?
strong forum
Yup
wary lantern
seems nice
wary lantern
my 465 head says 1453
wary lantern
damn that void π
ionic fern
Jep,stupid strong
leaden grail
is there anything special i need to look out for when trying to spell reflect adderis' cyclone strike? I know that I need to make sure that Aspix is not casting on me but is there anything else?
young oasis
Guys, just got ring with echoing void, but as you see, my corruption is at 63. Beside ring, I got Wrathion sword which add 30 corruption and 6% mastery on the belt. Should I uncorrupt some items or what should I do? Beside cloak, im using raid essence for 10 more extra corruption resistance
leaden grail
I'd clear the ring. If weapon+EV does not get you to the corruption level you want just equip another weapon perhaps? I'd not want to clear the wrathion weapon because I feel like any corruption is still up to be changed
You can sim which is strongest on raidbots btw, there's a slider for max corruption to be used
ionic fern
@leaden grail Also be sure that you're not the original target of the Cyclone strike.
There are times where for w/e reason you will only reflect like 2-3 of them and then the others get through and kill you tho..think it has something to do with your positioning as in how close/infront of the boss are you.
drowsy veldt
I try to stand so I only get hit by a few to reflect just incase
strong forum
Clear the mastery on the belt, 100%
EV will probably still get nerfed, but even if they nerf t3 to 0.8% it'll still be 5k+ dps
And thus still 3x as strong as wrathion weapon
young oasis
how do I know which tier I am?
strong forum
Corruption
T1 is 25, t2 is 35, t3 is 60
For echoing void
Or well %
0.8% is t1
1.2% is t2
2.0% is t3
Unless they nerf proc rate of EV it'll always be insanely strong
drowsy veldt
Waiting on those 30 stacks for wrathion sucks
strong forum
And it's not alot of dmg on average either
young oasis
so I got t3
drowsy veldt
On boss fight mine was 4% dmg
ionic fern
@young oasis i was in the same situation yesterday.
I ended up swapping my Wrathion weapon for a 430 one and my 475 waist for a 460 one just to use the T3 EV which was a 4k DPS upgrade. π€·
limber pagoda
It looks like Bloodsport dont stack?
thorny furnace
is there a rough guide on what corruption would be decent for m+?
ionic fern
I will probably cleanse the corruption on my Wrathion weapon tho.
ionic fern
@thorny furnace EV. π
limber pagoda
so if you stack 3 of them your will get 45 leach X 3
so thats a total of 135 leach off of bloodsport
sick sentinel
Blood sport is the most shit trait in the game
limber pagoda
well i had to for some fight! just to stay alive long enough
ionic fern
Wat
What fight?
THere are literally 0 fights that require you to have leech/bigger IP.
sick sentinel
Realistically there is no fight you need bloodsport for as bloodsport does nothing for you
limber pagoda
i feel when i used it i stay alive longer lol
ionic fern
o.o
thorny furnace
475 9% crit source belt, 445 9% vers sources belt, 440 void ritual gloves, 430 MF gloves, 445 3% crit sources legs w/ socket, 445 TD gloves.
i have the nya 1h equipped so
strong forum
Gloves
ionic fern
You do know that IP is only a rage dump in like 99.9% of situations with a benefit of also giving a tiny absorb?
strong forum
Is best
ionic fern
And that your main DR comes in the form of blocking
limber pagoda
but all the magic damage from NYA
ionic fern
π€
limber pagoda
some of the boss like Vex add! does a shit ton of magic damage
sick sentinel
bloodsport aint helping you
ionic fern
SR/DS/SW/Externals.
sick sentinel
use your externals and cds right
limber pagoda
yea that makes sense!
thorny furnace
yikers
limber pagoda
what ya think about the alc trinkey at 470?
ionic fern
It's a decent alternative.
limber pagoda
what trinkets are you guy running right now?
ionic fern
I'm running Coral/Inkpod or Inkpod/Cyclo Blast for ST currently and Rezan/Gore or Rezan/Urchin for m+.
limber pagoda
kk
sick sentinel
What's better, MS or Heart of darkness with the perm stats
sick sentinel
lmao
brittle owl
HoD is way better than any stat proc
consistency is king
imagine not having MS proc when you go into avatar
sick sentinel
I couldn't imagine because I already have a fuck ton of a haste
lol
It feels no different to me
limber pagoda
so theres not point of stacking DC anymore huh?
limber pagoda
oh okay
strong forum
Yeah mael but what if you do π
ionic fern
brittle owl
but if you don't you just cry
strong forum
Yeah
brittle owl
are you even at parsing without it
sick sentinel
My sim is up to 56k
brittle owl
but did you sim a 2:30 fight timer
sick sentinel
πΎ
strong forum
I'm still at 49.5k
ionic fern
brittle owl
lol
brittle owl
π π
brittle owl
i'm still at r35 hc π¦
strong forum
I'm not even ranked
brittle owl
didnt even do nZoth
ionic fern
Dw, i died on Carapace/Hivemind. π
brittle owl
brittle owl
absolute unit lmao
ionic fern
π
strong forum
When I was literally snowboarding for 7 days on heroic release
ionic fern
I will yolo it next tier.
Will feelycraft the shit out of it.
"x is better because y since it sounds cooler".
undone sun
π
ionic fern
"Game is now about visuals not numbers".
brittle owl
like look at this shit π¦
ionic fern
True.
brittle owl
so objectively
ionic fern
My paladin is 423 with 68 neck and r2 cloak.
brittle owl
still bis class
ionic fern
ionic fern
Captain America bis class, no bully.
brittle owl
if you sword n board
strong forum
I boolie whoever I want to boolie
ionic fern
^
ionic fern
^
strong forum
CHARGE BLADE OR BUST
brittle owl
but we don't have that so we make do
strong forum
SNS is wack
ionic fern
Could literally do a SHIELD WALL with double shields.
brittle owl
DOUBLE SHIELD SLAM
DOUBLE AVENGERS SHIELD
last stand would make you block everything
TWICE
strong forum
Now that's the kicker
manic scaffold
Why do i feel that this raid is braindead as fuck
ionic fern
What do you mean "braindead"?
frail blade
Bis stats for m+ it's the same crit/haste, or changing something 8.3??
strong forum
Nop same
Also big news
Sco has finally hit 75 neck....
Only mid tier when raiding for World first, no biggie its only an entire minor essence slot
brittle owl
wrong way to look at it
strong forum
When everyone is 80 neck and going hard. Fuck me
brittle owl
it's -10 corruption
thats it
everything else is inconsequential
if you don't have meaningfull corruption, it legit doesnt matter
frail blade
He is RL maybe it's harder for him farming neck
manic scaffold
I meam i feel this raid is braindead cause the mechanics are so easy compared to other bosses @ionic fern
strong forum
Good guy, good tenacity, but is slacking more and more in the preparation department
manic scaffold
I think ra den is the hardest fight
brittle owl
we haven't seen carrapace or nzoth yet
frail blade
he have 470+ gear?
strong forum
Wait
frail blade
can you give me advice for good tank who is streaming (twitch ) for learn how to play this spec
ionic fern
It's extremely difficult to learn by watching someone else play imo.
You can get info on routes/pulls/mechanics while watching others play but not how to actually play the class.
You'd be better off reading either IV or Wowhead guides and then testing stuff on a target dummy.
However if you want to watch someone you can check:
If they have a red * next to their name they are streaming.
jovial zodiac
Doest conflict & strife major come with diminishing returns now?
strong forum
Not as far as I know, but if the target is slowed for 30% or higher, the root does not apply
jovial zodiac
Oh, thats it then
Was really confused as why the mobs in kr didnt get rooted by tc, but ran suppresion aswell for the slow
bright jolt
anyone got any junkyard routes?
opal siren
Hey, I've wanted to get into tanking for a while now and i've gathered some gear for it (only 434ilvl) and i was wondering if someone here wanted to help me π
sick sentinel
What specifically do you need help with? Start with #268491842637660160. Read as much as you can, and come here with questions you still have. Be specific as possible π
@opal siren
steep glen
Anyone else play Devastator more often than not? I find it more natural to play.
brittle owl
it's kinda yikes in dungeons
undone sun
definitely not recommended in dungeons
sick sentinel
Devastator is good for ST damage
steep glen
but Tyrannical
undone sun
no
sick sentinel
But is in general the lesser choice
steep glen
and high enough key they might aswell be raid bosses
and now the new affix adds more 'bosses'
sick sentinel
Also at a βhigh enoughβ key you could get trampled by trash running devastator and do less damage overall in the dungeon because of no BV
tame garden
Regardless of affixes or key level trash will always be a significant portion of the dungeon
steep glen
Depends on afix, most times your limited in pull size due to mechanics rather than getting smashed by too many adds
sick sentinel
Doesnβt really depend on affix. Always have to clear trash. And on high keys trash is difficult (if you are pulling to maximize the timer) regardless of affix
brittle owl
^
sick sentinel
If you are pulling slowly and not trying to time your keys, by all means run whatever you want
steep glen
I like how you completely blew by me bringing up Tyrannical and focus on trash bring the limiting factor.
brittle owl
because it is?
tame garden
You cant ignore trash tho if you wanna time the key
steep glen
push weeks are fortified weeks.
steep glen
still true tho
brittle owl
it absolutely isn't though π€
steep glen
tell that to the first boss in FH one shooting ppl
sick sentinel
strong forum
Which can be avoided
sick sentinel
got it baby
strong forum
100%of the time
sick sentinel
463.5 ilvl now
brittle owl
or played around
strong forum
Fort weeks is way more HP to chew through than tyrannical keys
And trash is more often way more dangerous than the actual bosses.
brittle owl
the only fuck you bosses are eudora, council, and maybe korgus
and thats where a certain brown tank comes into play
strong forum
Ultimately, making fort weeks on default harder and longer keys, except temple
brittle owl
and kr, though kr is arguably way more dangerous
strong forum
And workshop
Workshop has so little trash, that it will be easier on fort
BTW regarding eudora, there was recently another post to her powdershot being nerfed, is that just another 'compilation' or actually an additonal nerf after the initial 8.3 nerf
warm plinth
Nice shield Nike
sick sentinel
thanks
tame garden
Fort is push week
Early on tyr is easier but eventually you just cant kill the bosses on high tyr
steep glen
I would say there are more points of failure in Tyr where a boss mechanic scales stupid high and kills people than in fort where trash can be manages with stuns, interrupts and kiting.
warm plinth
What other post are you referring to Nome? I only see the one that mentions the 15% nerf
strong forum
But I think we can all agree, that both fort and tyr suck
There's the initial 8.3 nerf right?
Now look at this
steep glen
which is why I'm talking about devastator. A good paly tank can keep you up in 5man and switching can up your dps to finish Tyr or a raid boss quicker.
strong forum
Hotfixes for January 28: Tamable Aqir Creatures, Echoing Void Nerf, Sk'shuul Vaz Changes
crystal dirge
Any thoughts on strength of the warden btw? Tried in some runs, healed about as much as my IP and the corruption resistance is nice
warm plinth
I donβt remember reading any changes to Freehold in the 8.3 notes. Just KR and Mecha.
strong forum
And wasted on pull
lucid dew
Wait does the PvP chest drop both an azerite piece and a piece of normal loot
crystal dirge
Freehold is nerfed
lucid dew
Or is it either one
crystal dirge
Powder shot is half hp on 15 tyrannical atm π
strong forum
Ye thats nothing
crystal dirge
it's gonna start 1shotting on 22s I think with mythic lvl gear
warm plinth
Thatβs pretty reasonable since itβll get back up to near one shorting pretty quick anyway
Shotting
modern brook
up key ghash look its sick
warm plinth
Huh?
modern brook
nevermind
lucid dew
How much does an 1800 rank carry cost? Usually
modern brook
~3 weeks of playing id say
1600 was a "I do keys every week and also read up on how to do deal aoe damage" when we had 2 less dungeons
crystal dirge
Think he's asking pvp and costs around 1.5-2m I think
warm plinth
Whiskey, if you would like to play Devastator in your keys, then by all means. But objectively it is worse whether it itβs tyrannical or not. Weβre not going to argue with you to convince you to use the correct talents.
modern brook
Hang on what
π
How u gunna look for a pvp carry in prot π
that is to say: Why not just play fury and get 1600 for free
strong forum
Deva in keys π
steep glen
Ghash, if you think i'm wrong and don't want to discuss it. Don't say anything.
strong forum
That's just straight up inting
warm plinth
I donβt think youβre wrong.
sterile mantle
Who needs pvp carry
warm plinth
I know youβre wrong.
modern brook
THeres nothing to discuss because it is wrong
crystal dirge
Agreed w Ghash, it's not worth π
sterile mantle
warm plinth
If you want a debate, feel free to search Devastator in the search function. Iβm sure weβve debated the exact same issue approximately 800 other times. You can read those debates.
steep glen
Guys, its not that black and white of a topic.
undone sun
the only gray area is how it feels, and that's subjective so objectively wrong
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
oblique garnet
Devastator in m+ content is not good, youre just effectively gimping yourself on aoe by 20% while only gaining minor dps increase for ST
strong forum
It's very much is a black and white topic, actually
modern brook
damn late's blue now
strong forum
For a couple months now almost
modern brook
Grats to him fam
gaunt dawn
\o/.
modern brook
definitely \o/
sterile mantle
How is everyone today!
Raid day for me!!!! Time for wrathion to nearly rip my face off!!!!
modern brook
Im thinking about all the stuff i ont want to do to be good at the stuff i want to do and its making me BIG sigh
otherwise p good
sterile mantle
Heroic wrathion hurts lol
sterile mantle
Think I got the rotation for him down though lol
How bad is hivemind and Raden on heroic?
novel agate
saw that wowhead's prot guide had an update to corruptions saying ineffible truth works for us now should i be hunting down a piece with it on there?
because i want to get as close to 100% uptime on avatar as i can because why not.
modern brook
^that man plays prot
sick sentinel
PSA you can deflect the debuff applied by rolly polly dudes on hive mind if you are bad like me and get hit
tame garden
sick sentinel
Those men are like missiles down the side of the room on mythic
sterile mantle
Thanks for heads up. Think that's side we are headed for this week
I'm hoping for Raden trinkets...they seem really nice together (our druid tank looted both last week on normal)
novel agate
the haste one for sure.
sterile mantle
How is everyone's offspecs?
not bad for an off spec https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f17QqnehQyhPPPMCkPdSFe
Arms>fury :p
tame garden
novel agate
haven't done a sim for arms with new gear from the week yet. but probably about the same, i haven't pugged my raid yet for this week
tiny sable
is there an up to date guide for essences on warrior with 8.3 ? for 4th minor slot etc ?
novel agate
i believe most are running vop major still and then ageis, cns, and null.
warm plinth
In raids or dungeons
unborn agate
I see people still triple stacking BoM for ST raid. Is that better than Brace for Impact or any of the other traits?
strong forum
It's just what most people have
Not everbody commits to going full ST build
And there's only a handful of pure ST bosses
undone sun
like RF
strong forum
Bom is all in all the best trait to pick, you don't necessarily lose out on a massive amount of dps by going 3x bom instead of bfi/rf
sterile mantle
I <3 3x BoM....its glorius
grand drum
Rank 2 stars from emmisary. Thanks scrollsage nola
jolly robin
on a scale of shit to omegaterrible, how good is avoidance? I got a corruption proc that gives me avoidance equal to 8% of my haste π€
talking about m+
tame garden
Omegaterrible
undone sun
incredibly situational, and even when it is good
tame garden
Affects very little of the damage you take in m+
undone sun
it's not better to drop
shut summit
π @warm plinth
jolly robin
i thought so too
mental scarab
woaw mecha shield at 465 does less dmg then shockwave
novel agate
that feel when i still dont have sphere, next bg week i guess. is the honor grind to rank 3 still bad?
warm plinth
You can literally just use R1 sphere
inland mesa
what trinkets are people using for prog? I've been relying on edict urchin as my healers forgot how to heal a warrior since I was screwing around on my monk end of tier
strong forum
4k or smth
manic scaffold
alright ty
brave skiff
can i get vision of perfection rank 3 when im killing king mechagon in m+ as well?
or only in operation mechagon
wooden radish
π€
warm plinth
Lincoln I miss your cat form
warm plinth
Not much; getting triggered by a resto druid in arenas because apparently I'm easier to fake out on kicks than I thought π¦
wooden radish
stop being bad then
warm plinth
I tried π I'm worthless!
wooden radish
you're not worthless Pinky
warm plinth
Just nearly
wooden radish
where is @ionic fern
warm plinth
lol
warm plinth
I'm worried about him; he never shows as offline π¬
slim pier
He does
tame garden
π
undone sun
ionic fern
@wooden radish
wooden radish
Pinky was worried
wooden radish
@charred flax
ionic fern
π
wooden radish
@warm plinth are you still worried
ionic fern
Why are you worried?
wooden radish
@ionic fern how was raid this week
tame garden
Wait how is it pronounced
warm plinth
I don't remember. Not how I pronounce it though lol
strong forum
i thought its just pronounced Mahi
undone sun
mauhi
strong forum
ok that is weird
warm plinth
I pronounce it Mwa-hee
undone sun
same
strong forum
mwa-hee-hee
warm plinth
Mwa-hee-san
strong forum
Mwa-kun
limpid pawn
anyone here have all 15's timed yet?
strong forum
i have done 2 keys
limpid pawn
like 2 total
strong forum
temple and ur 15 in time
warm plinth
We have had someone consistently missing all week so we haven't really had any time to run
strong forum
yes 2 in total
however on seperate chars
timed UR 15 yesterday
temple 15 last week on dh
but will start playing some keys this weekend
tame garden
Prob just gonna farm 14s this weekend
ionic fern
Mauiii
ionic fern
warm plinth
Holy fuck that thing is huge
tame garden
warm plinth
This is why I won't eat clams. They're too creepy
manic scaffold
fuck that
manic scaffold
yeah ikr
exotic rapids
So how is worldvein standing up since the buff?
strong forum
unchanged
since its only the major that got buffed
that we will never use
cuz vop exists
warm plinth
I wonder if a full clear is possible without elite extermination
strong forum
i mean we easily did 3 clear this week without elite exterm
but 4 zones wouldve been too much
strong forum
and that was a bad ele, feral and me as prot
warm plinth
What do you guys think is harder, Wisdom or Honor?
tame garden
Which one is rexxar
strong forum
we've done honor
warm plinth
Honor
tame garden
His pets
Do a lot of sanity damage
If you cant stop their casts
But you can just nuke them insta with good dam
warm plinth
I'm sure as a DH I'll end up killing them before it matters
tame garden
Ya
warm plinth
lul what
strong forum
so in solo the adds are fucking nothing
warm plinth
I'm gonna Eye Beam and watch them fall over
strong forum
yup
warm plinth
I need 1357 more mementos for extermination
tame garden
What rank is your cloak
warm plinth
7
sick sentinel
Not even rank 8
tame garden
Hmm I had extermination after my rank 7 run
warm plinth
Really? Idk how o_o
sick sentinel
Get the momentos from raid brother
tame garden
Idk I didnt do a single vision last week
warm plinth
I have farmed the mini vision as long as possible every day and was not able to get enough for it yet
tame garden
And did ranks 4 to 8 in a row on tuesday
sick sentinel
EZ momentos from raid brought to you by hawgz
warm plinth
Have you done the raid Speg?
modern brook
Whats the current cape cap?
warm plinth
I think that's 800 a week from the mini boss things in there or something like that
8
modern brook
awk im like 3
warm plinth
π
modern brook
Imagine doing world content
warm plinth
How many vessels/visions do you have?
warm plinth
That's a pretty big range
sick sentinel
As long as I get enough to get my cloak upgrade every week I am happy :^)
modern brook
I hate world content ghash
warm plinth
You're not doing the assaults?
modern brook
there are assualts?
warm plinth
smh
sick sentinel
Assaults basically make it so that if you are good you can get your clock upgrade every week without doing anything else
At least for now
warm plinth
You get 1 vessel from major, 1 from doing both minors, and then if you do the minivision each day, you get another one
warm plinth
That might be how you have it then
tame garden
π
warm plinth
Because that's 1600 extras
tame garden
Yeah that explains it
warm plinth
I kinda wanna try to do drag/honor and then see how much time I have left and maybe go for spirits too
Gonna have to watch a video again to make sure I know the honor mechanics though
wicked ginkgo
Would you guys prefer Echoing Void or Ineffable Truth for Mythic Plus?
warm plinth
That gets me like 600 mementos just from zone clears I think
EV, not really a comparison I don't think.
wicked ginkgo
yeah thats kind of what I thought as well , but wasn't sure if the CD reduction would provide enough value to overtake
tame garden
Nah EV too stronk
mortal brook
ineffable truth is an extra something every minute. like another tclap in a row. EV is 20%+ of your dmg.
not really a competition
royal rune
Does stacking BoM mean the IP is stacked?
mental scarab
And i was proud of my IT corrupt π....
wicked ginkgo
IT isnt bad, it just isnt EV busted
zenith vigil
hmm, need advice on azerite
left hatch
i mean not just EV... the stat procs and the % stat increases also do more than IT
its not a very good corruption
zenith vigil
https://i.imgur.com/Wma04yq.png or https://i.imgur.com/VBEddgc.png primarily m+
i took thunderous blast because the other option is like, D-tier, and it seems ok
sweet summit
what is like, D-Tier?
zenith vigil
oh not D-tier, just deafening crash
but i already have it on a higher iLVL chest
and you only need 1
sweet summit
ye ait. id take the first one with BfI and IF. but change crystaline carapace to something else
left hatch
gutripper
zenith vigil
why is gutripper rated shit tier on wowhead's warrior guide then
left hatch
- this discord has nothing to do with wowheads warrior guide, mwahi makes the icy veins
so who knows wtf they're telling you to do
- its probably written from a defensive only standpoint
which should never be your only consideration in any content
tank dps always matters, just way more so in M+
zenith vigil
fair point
lucid minnow
Is there a real way to deal with the +10 affix mob that guarenteed fears you? My berserker rage isnt up for the 2nd one
modern brook
Re 1.
zenith vigil
carapice does seem really weak
modern brook
The guy that wrote that is literally the owner of this discors
zenith vigil
227 armor kek
sweet summit
vel?
modern brook
Oh is it Kawhi now
sweet summit
:O
left hatch
oh really? i had always heard the wowhead one wasn't affiliated with here
why we push the icy one
zenith vigil
Llarold or whatever
sweet summit
nah, wowhead is Llarold afaik
modern brook
Ur right I'm retaed man
I got my wires crossed lol
We are associated with icy my b
patent bone
I got a tier 1 EV pants but theyβre 430, worth losing the stamina/armor to wear them over my crafted pants in m+? I run 15βs
zenith vigil
yeah icyveins also rates gutripper as shit tier
left hatch
again its from defensive only
limber pagoda
so one of the guys in here writes the guide for prot war in icy vain?!
how offten does it updates?
modern brook
Yeah
left hatch
crystalline is super low impact for us cause were already swimming in armor
modern brook
Fairly
zenith vigil
it actually says "all circumstances"
modern brook
You shouldn't trust everything you read on the internet
modern brook
Also that
left hatch
guides are always kinda a starting point, and the higher up you go the more nuanced your choices are
lucid minnow
okay, thank you!
left hatch
also this week in particular it helps to have a druid mass root his children
to deal with after hes dead
bleeds + necro stacks up the butt + bolster is not a fun time
and thats ignoring the fear
modern brook
This the aoe fear thing?
glass bluff
does prot benefit from reckless fury's auto attack damage? and if so is it worth it over BoM
warm plinth
It does, and in ST it can be good. But it's purely a damage trait so you'd want to sim that.
modern brook
Over bom tho?
warm plinth
idk because I don't raid; hence why i said to sim :p
modern brook
Yeah I guess
glass bluff
i'll sim it thank you for help
ionic fern
IV is indeed written from a defensive starting pov not to overwhelm new people getting into the class. I will add a more offensive oriented page soon so both sides are covered.
void hill
is strength of the warden any good?
warm plinth
No, it's not
sick sentinel
Smells like manure
void hill
if i needed to pick one to run open world to lower corruption what's the best choice?
i know it really does not matter much
tame garden
Formless sounds not good for solo play
sick sentinel
Yeah just run like 90 corruption open world and yolo it
warm plinth
I'd say in open world yeah, just run whatever corruption haha
sick sentinel
Try to get 200 and see how long you can live when the eye comes after ye
warm plinth
That's the right attitude
mortal brook
6 seconds cuz cloak. ez
wooden radish
@warm plinth pinky hello
warm plinth
Hello
spice musk
Wrathion trinkets onpions pls. π
wooden radish
@warm plinth are you raiding this tier
spice musk
good or bad as tank
warm plinth
Not likely
wooden radish
its good. high uptime. the movement speed is nice on some fights
@warm plinth why not
hallow phoenix
Wrathion trinket is bis for style
warm plinth
Because am bad
wooden radish
@warm plinth cuz you play dh ?
hallow phoenix
I think neurosilencer stops the slowfall effect?
warm plinth
Seen a couple people say that the neural silencer type items don't work
hallow phoenix
My priests can't grip for shit so no big loss
warm plinth
Probably because I play DH
mortal brook
we over here now?
azure hare
So what essences is best to use as a new tank? I done some tanking but i am still learning but i love it so i want to get it geared properly and with essences.. i guess defencive ones since i will do m+ and maybe some normal raiding at the start?
mortal brook
same ones others would use. you want to get used to the proper ones rather than doing an odd playstyle and then having to relearn
sick sentinel
Default answer is vision major/CnS/Lucid minors
Third minor is more situational
If you need corruption resistance formless void from raid is prob best
If you are tanking a lot of adds for a majority of the time aegis is good
If you are low on haste sphere is good
mortal brook
good work hawgz
sick sentinel
Prought worrier
mortal brook
b i g tonk
sick sentinel
manic scaffold
is there a reason why most top raiding guilds are horde? is it because they have better racials?
sick sentinel
Because horde have vulpera
mortal brook
culture and racials
sick sentinel
Furries reign supreme
tame garden
Vulpera warrior is bis
mortal brook
racials were strong, top pvp and pve moved to horde, because top pvp and pve moved, everyone else shifted too
sick sentinel
If you like winning random bgs
mortal brook
then you get shenanigans like pre-nerf KJ where goblins reigned supreme
sick sentinel
Finally a man of culture
mortal brook
uwu
sick sentinel
sweet summit
"like a top tier tank class, like a blood dk"
good times π
chilly brook
I mean blood was top tier in 8.0 for m+
sweet summit
yea they were great
chilly brook
Although tbh tank balance in general has been really good this xpac
One of the few good things I can actually say about this xpac
warm plinth
Skyhold achievement complete: get quoted by Hawgz for something that isn't leech-related.
sweet summit
definitely
vdh started off a bit weak tho
analog zinc
vdh was fine for everything except jaina
chilly brook
This xpac is literally WoD with less cohesive class design, no raid sets, worse pvp, worse armor art design, no new talents and a worse story
analog zinc
also in wod you could raidlog & have no issues
chilly brook
Facts
sweet summit
fuck dailies :(
chilly brook
That's actually probably the real reason I quit
I felt like I had to play everyday
And I want to play other things
But I cant
But now I play rainbow six and I don't regret it
sweet summit
i wish i could quit
but im addicted 
sweet summit
i REALLY want to go from dps main to tank main, but its lowkey hard to find a guild looking for tanks :/
tame garden
ionic fern
@sweet summit just bench Winny.
sweet summit
benching my GM 
ionic fern
undone sun
only right choice
sweet summit
we already have 3 tank mains in our guild atm
ionic fern
Who's the 3rd?
sweet summit
π
azure hare
@sick sentinel thoose essences you mentioned dont have any defensive since they are more of offensive ones and since i am new to tanking isnt it better to go for defensive ones first?
sick sentinel
You know how you get recruited as a tank? Gear a brewmaster. But keep him just far enough behind your warrior that it is not viable to use him
Fuckin ez
mortal brook
Its not an on off switch for things being offensive or defensive @azure hare . Every thing on that list does both
sick sentinel
Also @azure hare Most of the essences I mentioned provide offensive and defensive value
sweet summit
but that would mean actually playing brewmaster
sick sentinel
No no no