dps doesn't matter if you're dying to ticks
#protection
analog zinc
unreal girder
ill try again tomorrow will see how it goes
gonna be more blarant on the tick stomping I guess lol
oblique garnet
You cant solo all the ticks anyways
cold cosmos
So apparently this is what happens when your co-tank says "I don't want to do the annihilates, you take them all" https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y3pWM2Xczr8Cyqma#fight=11&type=damage-done
analog zinc
wait were you offtanking
& picking up the orbs
wow
you did that fight
completely incorrectly
analog zinc
i love vexiona
i do insane dps, & my parse is a 55 there
i'm main tank so i dont get to cleave any adds
& our melee are like insects so I'm not allowed to use annihilation beam
i just cast it into the void & cancel it
cold cosmos
We stacked the adds on the boss and annihilated them <_<
sterile mantle
are punch cards dropping from mechagon M+?
analog zinc
no
brittle owl
no
cold cosmos
It felt so very very wrong but hey, that's what they wanted and it meant I got to do stupid levels of DPS padding <_<
Somehow I hit an arcane mage with annihilation but not any of the melee except for an enhancement shammy
compact matrix
titanshard any good
cold cosmos
@analog zinc Actually we were doing it a bit odd... my co-tank grabbed the boss when adds were up, then I'd quickly round them up and grab boss back. The whole thing was strange <_<
I had the boss for the majority of the fight... and the adds. And everything
frosty ridge
I just tank only boss, and at 20-25 when it flies away instantly beam the adds remaining, telling everyone "out of the way" lol
cold cosmos
I did do the "out of the way" bit. But while the boss was still active
I bet WoWanalyzer will still say I didn't hit enough thunderclaps
What more do you want WoWAnalyzer?
frosty ridge
what a noob, doing boss mechanics and "strategy". learn to clap
cold cosmos
Note: Not doing boss mechanics the intended way perhaps. But doing them <_<
And being horrible horrible about using shield block while last stand was up. Old bad habits die hard
My muscle memory says SBlock -> SSlam always
frosty ridge
yea it's a hard one to shake
cold cosmos
With my luck I'll finally adjust to not doing it and then they'll change things up so we want to do it all the time
Fortunately it was only normal so it's not like it really mattered
sick sentinel
Touch of the everlasting looks like it could be really good on proc warrior
Rank 3 resets shield wall after saving you
sleek flax
sup guys
onyx vessel
But thats the major
So your giving up a major essence for majority of the fight for a life saver
left hatch
cheat deaths are almost always inferior to other options
it strips you of choices that actively help you live through mechanics and boost yoru output and survivability
on the expectation that you'll die
left hatch
so they're generally regulated to learning fights, or if you have a specific instakill yo'ure cheesing in raid
onyx vessel
left hatch
the shield wall thing is a nice bonus but wtf is an extra shield wall going to do for you every 10 mins lul
and thats assuming you're proccing it every time its up on purpose
onyx vessel
Yeah shield wall has a 2min cd anyways
left hatch
and if you're dying more than once every 10 mins on accident you really need to reevaluate your playing beyond the major essence
sick sentinel
this look right? i'd think twilight devestation wrists would be better than faralos lol
OH
the gloves are increasing into the fray by 12% too LMAO
thats nuts
ionic fern
Is that really your highest simming one?
ionic fern
The tooltip is wrong on that one.
It says "striking all nearby enemies for blablabla"
But it's actually split damage.
sick sentinel
oh i know
sick sentinel
but its still pretty decent
ionic fern
But hey, high ilvl+socket
sick sentinel
what do you sugghest then?
ionic fern
ionic fern
If that's your highest simming one then go with that one.
I just wanted to make sure you knew it was split
Since tooltip is mis-leading.
cold cosmos
wants more corruption resistance. Have so many goodies to equip
I'm also a tad shocked TD hasn't been nerfed into oblivion yet. It's a tiny bit ludicrous on prot warrior
sick sentinel
oh yeah its my best for aoe witth the defensive trinket
in keys i prefer to run one dps trinket and one defensive lol
cold cosmos
Same
oblique garnet
🤔 I wouldnt go full dps trinkets in keys unless they are meme keys as in anything below 15 atm
quartz mist
quick question for visions essence
can we farm last boss over and over ?
oh heroic
on*
warm plinth
Yeah
quartz mist
oh thats hot , sweet
random gust
Is a 440 Paralytic Barb going to be better than 455 Vers Crit mace?
warm plinth
Paralytic Barb isn't even good
random gust
so I take that as a yes
sick sentinel
are tanks running formless void minor now for corrupt res?
random gust
gotcha
cold cosmos
Time to see how TD scales down in Timewalking
warm plinth
Yeah Cbegs
undone sun
TW scaling 🤣
warm plinth
Memory yes, null no
If you're not 75 neck yet, and you need the corruption resist, then I'd do Vision major, C&S and formless. Or lucid and formless is fine too
warm plinth
What do you have
dark lark
In general: sockets are worth about 5 ilvl on armor right? I'm comparing 465 crit mastery gloves vs 460 crit mastery socketed gloves
leaning towards the 460 socketed
warm plinth
Yeah, except probably not on legs, since they're higher budget.
sick sentinel
so devestation wrists for sure lol
sick sentinel
5 target patch
dark lark
that twilight dev 3 😮
sick sentinel
so twiligh dev is basically king of keys lmao
oblique garnet
You have kraken shell pauldrons but not MS 
sick sentinel
MS?
oblique garnet
Meticulous Scheming
sick sentinel
i have R3 twilight dev wsword too lol
why would i go MS over the Tclap one?
TCLAP stacked does stupid amounts of damage lol
warm plinth
Tclap stacked does shit damage, and sims will tell you the same thing lol.
sick sentinel
oh and i have all R3's of other tank essences
warm plinth
Probably use sphere in the meantime then with memory/formless
sick sentinel
i've been using vision major, null minor (since eye does magic damage can always proc), formless, and memory
warm plinth
Or aegis on fort wouldn't be terrible
If you check logs and null is actually proccing on CD, then use it. But not sure how smart relying on standing in damage you could potentially avoid is.
versed pumice
Is twilight 3 better than echoing void 3?
warm plinth
In AoE, probably. EV is a lot more consistent though.
sick sentinel
depends on procs imo
our other fury warrior has echo V3 i believe
and we do comperable damage except when i get back to back procs
cold cosmos
TD is a bit nuts when it decides to proc spam
warm plinth
Yep. TD is basically holy fuck that was a lot of damage when it procs in AoE
But EV is like alright lemme get that 30% increase to my DPS overall
sick sentinel
TD proccing 3-4 times is ridiculous
versed pumice
I’ve had times where TD refuses to proc for some time but ye there are times where it can spam proc
ionic fern
Meanwhile i'm just chilling here with my mindflay tentacles.
sick sentinel
or every few gcds
warm plinth
You wish it was more broken than it already is?
ionic fern
warm plinth
Hey man, nothing wrong with mind flay tentacles
sick sentinel
i'd love stars or echoing D:
ionic fern
cold cosmos
I'd love an EV but this TD3 is pretty good <_<
flint cliff
I saw some protwarriors use cns major. On which affixes is cns major superior to vop?
cold cosmos
CnS is good if you want All The Roots Ever for some reason
ionic fern
"Superior" is a strong word.
CnS is okay on Necrotic weeks.
oblique garnet
Infinite stars is garbage
Dont @ me
Actually garbage fucking corruption effect in most fights
It can proc on to the most useless adds instead of boss
ionic fern
I still hate your Dark Inquisitor log from week 1 (i think).
left hatch
they had a consistent TD. its called searing flames, and it got gutted so its fucking awful (:
if they made TD proc consistently theyd either heavily nerf its damage or make the proc happen every 45s or so
so itll only happen once MAYBE twice a pack
see also DK weapon
that was another op aoe that was reliable and is now in the dumpster
if you want consistency go EV
if you want somethign that doesn't drastically fall off go EV
plush prism
is there a good source for routes for the new awakened stuff?
ionic fern
I'd guess same as always..raider.io weekly routes. Tho people are still figuring things out.
plush prism
Cool, thanks 🙂
left hatch
yah it usulaly takes em 3/4 weeks to start publishing guides when a new season starts
mortal brook
at least theres only 2 awakened cycles. shouldnt take long
stark scroll
With all the corruption talk, does anyone know how TD stacks? If I have 2x 6% pieces is that effectively the same as having a single 12% piece?
tame garden
yes
stark scroll
Awesome, cheers
distant crystal
you really don't have to change up routes too much this season
unless there's trash packs you decide to avoid one week, and teeming
plush prism
yeah i just wanna know the proper skips
like in Kings Rest, how you skip half the bridge
ionic fern
tame garden
ionic fern
SoB
Alliance
pick one
mortal brook
wot in the world
ionic fern
You can't really skip that obelisk.
Since fear dude.
Imagine doing that with the last boss.
😂
mortal brook
sob last boss with adds? so many tentacles
mortal brook
demolisher adds
mortal brook
get hecked alliance
ionic fern
I mean, cmon.
Alliance already has worse mobs at the start...+ RP after 3rd boss..and now this???
mortal brook
serious bias. like how Org vision is a cakewalk
and SW has travel, rp, obnoxious bosses with worse affixes
and so many clickies
ionic fern
That's meh since both factions gotta do that.
mortal brook
stuns, slows
formal grail
Yeahhhhhh which one is the least horrible choice?
nimble mauve
Idk if the mechacycle is any good but god damn do I get hyped up when I see one proc
strong forum
If it doesn't split its giga
formal grail
Sure but which two of three should i be using :d i mainly do M+
strong forum
I'd say tinker + remote
I Think that tuskarr thing has really low uptime, but
I'm not certain on that
flat jackal
Is there a way to disable that stupid dragon trinket’s slow fall???? I used the immune to annoyances item but it still gave me slowfall
strong forum
Well.. That should've done the trick according to wowhead
ebon hound
The slow fall and the 1 seconds levitate are separate afaik, the neural thingy only affects the latter
it's funny how flavor on a trinket renders it useless for tanks
exotic rapids
How much objectives do you guys manage solo as prot in horrific visions?
ionic fern
I've done 2 areas + boss with 1 orb still left.
exotic rapids
do you think doing all 4 is possible?
ionic fern
Jep.
exotic rapids
nice. any tips you mind sharing 🙂
ionic fern
Since i did that with r5 cloak. 😂
Ugh..just pull the entire 1 area..LoS them..nuke them all.
Ggwp , next zone
The mobs themselves don't do anything special unless you start getting chain stunned so you wanna pull as big as possible.
After killing them all you just do the objective for the zone and do the same in the next zone.
exotic rapids
sounds easy enough 🙂
Somehow there is always one mob that just stays back somewhere
marble cipher
Only mobs you have to "watch" out for are the "Dominators", they channel Touch of the Abyss which stuns you
exotic rapids
I hate that
marble cipher
And that stun is annoying
ionic fern
Just remember to find a good LoS spot so they all gather together - including the ranged mobs.
marble cipher
^
exotic rapids
And gear/trait wise did you change anything here?
ionic fern
I'm running full AoE gear so 3xBoM/1xDC and also tried Anima major yesterday..was fine.
Tho i think it's overkill since the mobs die so fast regardless.
Was thinking of going 3xBoM/1xDC + CoF major .
exotic rapids
is urchin ncerssary?
exotic rapids
Thx. I think Elite Extermination makes this a lot easier, too
strong forum
Ye Cof Major Is better for the chonky guys
Maybe throw in a cyclo blast every now and again cuz you gotta remember it's not m+ and you can actually gear swap!!!
Imagine the fun in m+ if you could gear swap now with corruptions and trinkets...
Makes me wanna cry
bold linden
Hi guys, i was kinda lucky at our raid last night and i've got a few complicated choices to do now... i hope you could assist me with 😉 I've got 460 bracers with echoing void rank 2 (35 corruption) and a 455 waist with Racing Pulse Tier 3 (35 corruption) (haste proc for 4 secs) and i received the 1-hand sword from wrathion with searing flames (30 corruption) as of now I have 37 corruption resistance and i'm only tanking m+ no raids. I'm going to equip bracers with EV and the weapon therefore i'm going to have 28 corruption. Or should i stay with the waist and RP Tier 3 and drop the corruption on the weapon? I'd really like to get some sugesstions here xD Thanks alot!
and i forgot i although received 460 boots with versatilty proc tier 2
strong forum
The belt is easier to replace than the weapon imo cuz of ilvl alone
The dmg proc of sword can end up being 2k overall dps in a dungeon, maybe more later down the line with gear.
I personally would go with EV + sword corruption cuz visible dmg numbers.
But try to sim it
See where you end up
What gives more dps on 1min 10 targets
1.5min 5 targets and 3min 1 target
That's what I'd do probably
bold linden
good point guess im going to sim it im happy to see you choosing EV and weapon too at first glance
hollow kernel
hello guys, im fairly new in the tanking game.
Do you guys have any tips about how u are tanking the tankspank guardian from Awakening in m+ on anything that is over +16 rn..
do u start outranging/losing the ability after 4-5 seconds in, or is there a way to tank it with a bit less of dancing...
it's getting pretty hectic when i have shield block, full IP up and this shit hits for 400k
after mitigation
bold linden
his attack is not bloackable afaik you dont need to have shield block up.
ionic fern
Remember to have SB/Last Stand up after that tho in case you take a random melee with the debuff up.
hollow kernel
hmm fair point
ionic fern
In all honesty i've started kiting him. I let one of my ranged DPS'ers or healers be ahead of me so i can intercept onto them all the time when needed.
ionic fern
Demoralizing Shout
ionic fern
Enjoy getting smacked.
lean flame
hey guys does anyone have a good spell reflection tracking addon they would reccomend?
jagged stump
💪
strong forum
Same
jagged stump
😌
strong forum
Echoing void my guy
sick sentinel
Ya tru but still annoying no drops
strong forum
All echoing void + 467ilvl
sick sentinel
I mean obv they have bis
jagged stump
🍀 is a big factor in this game sometimes
And money 💰😉
Common sense, I checked the AH and someone put it up for 300k
strong forum
That's a steal
Someone on my server bought up all the cheap shields and put em all up at 1mil
When previously they were 300k
ionic fern
👍
exotic rapids
Do Corruptions stack?
Is for example wearing 2 pieces with echoing void an option?
strong forum
Yes
wooden radish
@ionic fern
exotic rapids
Yes
@strong forum Thx
full monolith
is dropping 465 Helmet worth to equip Ingi 480 one? I ll lose 1x BoM
crimson furnace
do we have a BiS list saved/shared somewhere?
im really out of ideas when it comes to trinkets, rings...
ionic fern
We can get 2 decent rings from raid at a base high ilvl.
Crit/haste(Ring of Collective ConsiciousnesS) & Haste/Vers(Ring of Cosmic Potential).
Trinket wise it always depends..for what purpose/content?
hollow kernel
btw guys do u know where i can get that race flag toy thing?
its a useful thing to intercept on when kiting
sick sentinel
How much defensive value do you gain from getting a higher shield. From a block/armor/stam value point. Like 450 -> 465
undone sun
wouldn't even drop 5 ilevels
strong forum
The only time where I'd personally consider a lower ilvl shield would be for getting EV when you don't have it anywhere else
Outside of that, ilvl all the way
sick sentinel
I never said dropping it
I want statistic value
on how better it is
increasing it
Why did you guys all assume dropping ilvl
when I said 450 -> 465????
ionic fern
@sick sentinel check the pinned sheet.
stoic forge
Guys help me decide what to use ?
ionic fern
It has 445,460&475 shields.
strong forum
Ilvl
Fingolfin, on Shield always ilvl
We just talked about it 3 sentences above your post
ionic fern
👍
stoic forge
didnt see it sorry, thank you!
old monolith
Are Anodized Deflectors from Mechagon m plus anygood? It looks interesting not sure its worth wearing.
ionic fern
Parry is unreliable.
Avoidance is situational.
Damage is decent.
limber pagoda
but if you cant live how you ganna tank?
ionic fern
👀
strong forum
tame garden
He makes a good point
native perch
what should i go for: 425 [Rezan's Gleaming Eye] or 455 [Modular Platinum Plating]?
I also have 445 vial of animated blood
mortal brook
rezan vial prob (but sim to be sure). feelsbad about the plating
hollow kernel
so, does any1 know where u get that race flag toy? o.O
mortal brook
its from cloud serpent racing mop era yeah?
tame garden
hollow kernel
y i think thats the one but thats a useable item with charges y?
there isnt a toy?
i rly have no idea i just got told by a warrior that he had the toy when i saw he was using the flag to intercept
sweet summit
How good is the CDR corruption?
analog swift
Imo sub par
About 1-1.5 PPM and if you have a vop proc or don’t have your abilities on cd it’s worthless
strong forum
You'd need to stack multiple of those to make it do anything relevant
In a world where AM is a thing
strong forum
New meta :pogU:?
Thinking about it.
During ineffable truth proc if you have like 200%+, could you spam SS like in antorus
?
sweet summit
yes but what about back to back TC in avatar?
strong forum
Maybe not every gcd, but smth along those lines
TC defo
But SS is way more rage
To feed into AM
sullen valve
Cool fact wowA is pretty cool
sweet summit
you're pretty cool
tame garden
Abe can you add a module that tells me I'm bad for not having echoing void
warm plinth
I think he means for not playing prot war
remote dawn
tame garden
😡
cold cosmos
Prot warrior for life
warm plinth
I’m just kidding Speg. Ily
sterile mantle
Long Live Warrior (seriously lol)
unreal girder
does anyone have the weakauras far left with the cds
hexed sage
If you have 2 echoing void. Does it do double damage?
mental scarab
Do you guys have any good WA for trash abilitys in m+?
steep glen
Rank 3 Echoing Void does 25pct of my raid damage, it was 30pct before the nerf. If you get it, hold on to it.
analog zinc
no i'm gonna cleanse it fuk u
strong forum
yey my first EV
analog zinc
grats
analog zinc
mine was t2 from a turtle emissary
strong forum
so now i have 4 t1 corruptions
analog zinc
oof so its only a 5k dps increase that sucks man
analog zinc
:^)
strong forum
i have stars t1, appendages t1, gushing wounds t1 on 410, and EV t1 on 410
analog zinc
how is it onlyu lvl5
analog zinc
rip
strong forum
one time attacking a bad rare
analog zinc
i'm getting real close to doing full clear
strong forum
then get globalled by it
strong forum
i dont even have the chest thingy 🙂
cuz i always have to do shit alone
so i 3x rushed thrall
cuz i cba
frail blade
hello, can you tell me,with this week which best essence??
analog zinc
yea i got done everything but 1 lost zone & had 45% sanity left (cheat death procced)
cold cosmos
My current corruptions... Equipped: TD 3. Not equipped: Void Ritual 3, Severe 2, Expedient 2, Avoidant 3, Strikethrough 3, Racing Pulse 3, Searing Flames
distant crystal
if you mean echoing void, yes for the damage at least
if you mean void ritual, no
fringe ferry
ya i get that ill try it out and see just wanted to get a feel
once i get a few other pieces upgraded itll be less of an issue but only 451 atm
distant crystal
ya it's all very memey right nnow
mortal brook
id wear a 415 world quest blue if it had ev on it
fringe ferry
ya lol, rolled it from a horrific vision unfortunately
and got a 475 belt from cache this week
distant crystal
what slot
fringe ferry
belt
tame garden
errant oriole
Got 425 wrists with r3 EV from the call to arms quest... seems like im wearing them for a while ^^
cold cosmos
2H prot warrior time?
sick sentinel
why do I get fury stuff when I want shield 😢
formal grail
do you have any tips for necrotic this week? I've never tanked it
wooden radish
@ionic fern @winny
ember flume
how necessary for tanking m+ is urchin + edicts??
tame garden
Not necessary
wheat talon
is clockwork heart any good?
none of the sites I look at have it listed, I assume because it just got added to the residuum table
sick sentinel
clockwork is kinda bad
daring bay
Is it just me or do bosses hurt way more even with shield block up?
wheat talon
more than what
tame garden
Armor is less effective at start of new patches. Gotta gear up a bit to feel as tanky as you did prepatch
unreal nacelle
/p hey
tame garden
Hey ;)
marsh silo
so for vexiona you have spell reflect up when despair is about to expire?
steep glen
jfc that ring is good.
weary hollow
Hello guys ! Which priority stats u need for war tank in M+? Icy veins and wowhead don't say The same thing (sorry for my bad English ^^).
sick sentinel
Ilvl > Haste = Crit
weary hollow
So finally mast isn't so good for M+ ? Wowhead said haste=mastery
Ur enchant and gem is crit?
sick sentinel
you gem haste
enchant haste
and stack haste
but ilvl beats everything
and you don't want mastery because of BoM
weary hollow
Even for rings?
strong forum
yes
weary hollow
I only got one BoM unfortunately
sick sentinel
you still stack haste
kind geyser
i would still use a lower ring if it was haste/crit or haste/vers compared to mastery/not-haste, so long as it's 5 or 10 items under. but i haven't simmed or checked the difference there directly
weary hollow
So I take haste Ring but no ilvl?
Well ok ! Ty guys ^^
Gem = how many ilvl for war prot?
left hatch
@marsh silo no... despair's final hit only does huge damage if you're not topped off, and even then itll be a raid wipe. You wanna Use SR on his breath before application or while its ticking on you to make it easier for healers to keep you topped off
marsh silo
ty
calm gate
Is tehre any way to make an intercept macro at cursor? Can't seem to get it to work with either @cursor or @player...
tame garden
@mouseover
calm gate
Silly me... cheers
vapid ibex
u guys running conflict major for m+?
analog zinc
its a situational pick
vapid ibex
this week?
analog zinc
lets you kite stuff easily on your own but doesn't work if your group has any normal slows
grand drum
You can kite necrotic with bounding stride
analog zinc
if you wanna kite like a monk use it
but that only works if your group has no rotational slows
vapid ibex
bounding stride over crackling?
left hatch
i wouldn't, super unnecesary
if you have sphere you can just walk away from the enemies
and 2 intercepts + 45s heroic leap is more than enough to panic dip out
but end of the day its gonna be a comfort pick, if you'd rather have more failsafes to kite go bounding. if youd rather have add pickup be even more no brain go crackling
jovial scaffold
Is it already known you can SR eye of corr/delusions?
SR just completely nullifies eye while its active, delusions can just be reflected back if you have it lol
left hatch
feels like a bug because the eye doesn't consume SR
i imagine itll be fixed so that it deflects a tick but removes SR
dark owl
Hello, anyone that could help me witht the picking of corruptions for m+? what is prio?
left hatch
EV>TD>IS?>Haste Proc and %
dark owl
how is the searing flames?
spice musk
410 Mechagon Trinket wit mastery Punchcard (i dont have the haste one) edikt 430 and Nzoth trinket 455 and reszan 440 which should i wear ?
deft vessel
folks, I'm here seeking some gear advice (again) xD please advise which two to keep
I feel like the corruption is not too useful for prot
and I really like my haste
my stats unbuffed for reference
dark owl
what trinkets would people recomend for doing m+?
sick sentinel
Edicts, urchin, rezans, gore, vita
dark owl
i am new to tanking but can sphere of suppression be good for necrotic?
or is it other that are better?
dark owl
guess i have to farm that shit to rank 3 then... 😉
left hatch
sphere, CnS, lucid, or aegis
deft vessel
is conflict and strife minor worth using at rank 1?
deft vessel
I'm using major vision of eprfection now, with minir null dynamo (rank 3) and lucid (rank 3)
sick sentinel
ilvl is always better
deft vessel
I still would like some input on m yrings above 😛 xD I dont' know what to do with it tbh
sick sentinel
?
deft vessel
sick sentinel
Sim them
glacial flint
bought me a shield.. to get rid of my 415 belt with EV+3 
left hatch
he gave you input? just sim them (for AOE as well as ST)
the corruption is pretty low impact
but that amount of crit on it is pretty juicy
and also @unreal girder for weapon ilvl is always better, on most other pieces tho the verse proc woulda been better than void ritual though
wheat talon
is the vers proc worth considering for situations where I'm worried about dying? (really just higher m+ keys) I have good dps corrupts, but I don't know about the defensive side
deft vessel
I got the same corrupt on a pair of pants that were 15 ilvl higher
can't really affor dto wear ring now
unreal girder
yeah the non versa simmed higher dps
just wondering about the defensive part of it
leaden grail
how do you not die to the fear miniboss with necrotic and bursting?
leaden grail
what does a paladin do there?
sweet summit
just have a cancel aura bop macro somewhere
sick sentinel
put it on your thunderclap, revenge, ip and shield slam
because you spamming those anyway
ripe shale
play dwarf
left hatch
if you root the adds, do they despawn if you kill the boss and exit the portal?
sick sentinel
No
ripe shale
you cant exit if you are in fight ?
sick sentinel
You have to kill them after
sick sentinel
It's still fear
Just not the physical bleed
necrotic stacks
and bursting
the boss itself fears
not the adds
left hatch
no i meant dealing with the adds
would be easier without your healer being feared
instead of hte pipe dream of them despawning entirely
sick sentinel
you can make them despawn?
left hatch
no no, i asked that earlier
since the adds won't despawn, killing them after boss is still way easier
than dealing with them with the constant fears
imo this week the adds are much more dangerous than the boss is (tank-wise at least)
sick sentinel
Mhm
The worst guy is the fear
so anything helps
my group lead is a ret pally so I have bop at all times when I need it
to get rid of necrotic
and bleed dots
so I just pump
left hatch
i really disliked the blob guy too, especially in workshop last week
sick sentinel
Blob guy is nice
left hatch
couldn't find a good place to kite him to LoS the adds
so the puddle+flay was nuking ppl
sick sentinel
?
Our group just sits slime on top of them
and nukes them down
and we interrupt order
between the eyes
fear
stuns
because slime doesn't constantly drop stuff
left hatch
yah, i couldn't find a place to LoS so eyes would spawn in workshop
left hatch
ah
left hatch
yah, only really hard hit of the tankbuster is the circle after yo'ure been busted
and you can easily run outta that
sick sentinel
?
You should never get hit by the tankbuster cast
You can just spam los
and reline
He'll do three casts I believe?
and then do aoe
left hatch
ah i just sat on him and took it easily
sick sentinel
then stop doing stuff for like 10 seconds
in a 18
it takes about 80% of your health
without cds
why tank damage when you can ignore the mechanic in general
by spam losing
left hatch
true
sick sentinel
well an 15 is a 15
left hatch
only death was to facetanking the aoe after
sick sentinel
that's like 19 in season 3
Honestly
as keys get higher
the main issue right now our group has
is the awakened adds
probably the play to lust them
at certain levels
sweet summit
Unless you need lust for a boss or a big pull, you might as well lust them tbh
sick sentinel
so you dont
i'd just kite atal for now until people find ways to deal with it
mid offers pretty good amount of kiting room
only guy I'd EVER consider lusting
is fear
grizzled glen
Is there a way to get into that obelisk without pulling the Dino pack that pats
left hatch
have someone with feign death/shadowmeld pull away from it, drop aggro and go in a diff portal
but that dino pack on non bolstering/bursting is pretty high value
easy mechanics and good % for time spent on them
sick sentinel
just snap them
left hatch
do they still do the charge if you snap?
worried about getting knocked into rezan pit
tame garden
😂
distant crystal
we had a plate stack and i was trying to get our UH dk a weap
none of us could trade but we bonus rolled first hoping to get a double
distant crystal
hot
dark lark
just got a 460 gettiku a few minutes ago myself
there were no 14s available so i settled for a 12
now my luck is gone
droptimizer says the 465 is only a 98 dps upgrade though xd
tame garden
Worth
leaden grail
what's the max dmg reduction I can get from blocked attacks?
sick sentinel
I think 88%?
sick sentinel
ah ok
leaden grail
is there a way to find out how high my block value should be?
strong forum
as high as it can be
🙂
get a 475 shield
then youre ok
before that block traits like BFI and IF are gonna benefit you GREATLY
especially in raids
lofty widget
would a 455 shield from mechagon be an upgrade over a 445 with crit and versa?
sick sentinel
yes
strong forum
block value is the only thing you care about on shields
only at max ilvl you can start min maxing the secondaries
sick sentinel
Does anybody have a target of target intervene macro for freehold
sick sentinel
and how would you do it, right when you see it target somebody else, you intervene?
or wait, do I just pre do it on CD to somebody?
strong forum
for eudora you have enough time to react as she casts it
for 1st boss you have to pre-cast it on a target that will need it to survive
sick sentinel
so somebody with low defensives
strong forum
or that
sick sentinel
xd
sullen flame
Doesnt look like Icy has been updated for S4 yet, what minor did you guys put in your 3rd slot for M+?
strong forum
sphere / aegis / null , depending on dungeon
or formless void if you need the corruption resistance
sick sentinel
honestly sphere should be one of your first ones, it's really good
strong forum
my first ones are cns and lucid
sick sentinel
Sphere has more defensive value and offensive value than lucid
strong forum
and i got sphere just now cuz i never bothered
eh lucid feeds into AM and 30% uptime on 380+ vers isnt bad either
sick sentinel
ye but 100% on 342+ haste perm is going to be better for rage gen also
and shield block
and the slow it gives
strong forum
well i literally just got it today cuz i didnt like aegis or null as my only options for 3rd
marble cipher
Which ones should I use out of these for M+?
They're basically the only three I have, working on getting block from WM
sick sentinel
vita and rezans
leaden grail
alright dude what's that addon that shows the numbers in brackets
marble cipher
would be my goto as well, so I will take that second opinion as truth 😉
leaden grail
i need that so much
marble cipher
advancedtooltip something something
sick sentinel
ye it's good
leaden grail
thanks
sick sentinel
I think you have to configure it tho
sullen flame
I've been running sphere first and lucid or aegis 2nd, not really sold on either. If I put lucid 2nd and sim aegis/conflict in 3rd it says conflict is better than aegis, but aegis also has that heal to it. Just thought I'd get some 2nd opinions.
sullen flame
With Echoing Void doing so much damage in keys, is there any value in stacking more HP?
leaden grail
i got 2 echoing void pieces and i was hoping raidbots statweights would add stamina 😦 but i didnt (yet?)
sick sentinel
You stack ilvl anyway
Do you mean stam pots?
Your main abilities deal damage too you know
leaden grail
i know on ptr people were running stamina flask etc but that was before 2 nerfs
sullen flame
I mean Indom/Anima
sick sentinel
never run anima lol
tame garden
Anima is shit
distant crystal
i think someone got an incorrect answer on this earlier
might have been #fury tho i'll post there too
inland mesa
does ablative stack?
royal rune
Does enchant on my MH help much? I'm struggling to tank +10 mythics . I'm 445 ilevel
left hatch
yes ablative stacks, but theres much better options for that ring
and yes MH enchant is a big deal, but if you're strugglign to tank 10's theres something wrong with your talents, essences, and/or gameplay
an enchant won't be impactful enough to make a difference that low
royal rune
I'll put my wow up when I'm specced and geared prot
dawn nexus
Hey guys. Endless Hunger good or no?? Thanks
ivory barn
@marble cipher whats those %'s addon on the stats on the haste/avoidance trinket
marble cipher
AdvancedTooltips something something
can't load twitch tool atm, so can't exactly say the right name 😄 @ivory barn
left hatch
irrc thats the darkshore trait for horde yeh? i mean its fine but you'll higher ilvl and better pretty quickly
broken stratus
is void twisted shard good at all for prot?
left hatch
depends what piece you got from the heroic then, the only piece id take it over the prot specific ones rn is the helm
block value is too good this early on to pass up on IF or BFI
and no, that trinket is garbage
rigid dust
Has anyone tried going into the blood of the corrupted solo and starting with spell reflect, to nuke adds, with any success?
left hatch
is that the blob add?
rigid dust
Yeah
left hatch
if so yah. you enter in alone, and can SR the first round of casts back to them
rigid dust
All 5?
left hatch
takes about 33% of their health
rigid dust
Not bad
left hatch
yah since theyall spawn and cast the same time, its like any other synchronized caster pack
itll hit the same time so it all gets reflected
exotic spoke
sup qtpies
exotic spoke
What specifically are you having problems with?
exotic spoke
specifically to what?
Because in general, following the Icyveins guides would be my advice and Im just repeating it.
Do you have logs or anything specific as to whats causing you problems?
astral crystal
dawn nexus
Got the Helm 460 I’ll take for now
exotic spoke
I wouldnt use CoF for a minor personalluy
left hatch
so just on first pass, your 1-h needs attention asap. your AP contributes to survivability via increasing IP
Ritual bandages is a dogshit trinket
even WQ stat sticks would be better
left hatch
you can shuffle your azerite traits around a lot to help
royal rune
What's IP?
left hatch
ignore pain
left hatch
no, AP increases the size of ignore pain
ignore pain scales off ability power, not max hp
left hatch
on your helm Iron Fortress is better than a second Deafening Crash. Shimemring haven is awful, take Blood Siphon instead
your shoulders and chest are just awful cause yo'ure boxed into taking Callous Reprisal which is a really bad trait
royal rune
I can get bastion of might on a diff shoulderplates also 450
royal rune
Okay
Cant remember
@left hatch I'll tag you when I've changed a few things
Thx matey
royal rune
👌
left hatch
but yah overall trait choices arn't gonna nuke your survival, so would need more info (and ideally logs) to figure out whats going on cause its def a user error
what situations are you struggling in? casters? certain bosses/minibosses? just general phys damage from trash?
crystal dirge
man ever since i unequipped my urchin my healing is down to 8-10k per dungeon 😂
left hatch
hps is a bad metric to judge tankyness
so that doesn't necessarily mean the replacement is worse for you survivability wise
crystal dirge
it's not about judging tankiness, it's about feeling shit about our fury warior outhealing me lmao
left hatch
just don't look at hps meters then? idk
if you care about beating him out stacking bloodsport and never surrender can be done to pad that but
its a meaningless metric
and trying to pad it will actively hurt your play
left hatch
it provides little to no value for prot to look at
terse dragon
Mitigation uptime should be his main focus
left hatch
not that either
terse dragon
Ok
terse dragon
If it's m+ he's usually taking meele hits
left hatch
but LS bolster is a thing
terse dragon
But yes, sometimes he won't need to keep sb up during a cast
left hatch
or during LS
terse dragon
That's mitigation like I mentioned
left hatch
ig but the 2 best things you can look at for your survivability
is % hits blocked
then rage wasted
and id say uptime on the 'offensive cds' shout and ava
terse dragon
He's doing +10 keys lol
left hatch
is way more important than 'is LS and SW always on cd'
crystal dirge
Me?
terse dragon
He said for +10 keys
terse dragon
Oh OK sorry
crystal dirge
I dont really need help, I mentioned a bit I found funny, also I regularly get bashed on griev weeks about hps, those healers usually go on instaignore 😂
left hatch
yah just saying that its a bad headspace to fall into
some ppl take it too seriously and stack stupid shit
thinking it matters
when theres tons of better ways to measure your play
crystal dirge
Why did you say nullif is not good in m+ tho?
exotic spoke
I said it
left hatch
it just has less value than some of the other stat sticks
exotic spoke
Because you dont want spells going off at all really. Since they'll eat through the shield really fast and still hurt you
left hatch
in a high enough key that small absorb probably won't save you more than % reduction from say CnS
exotic spoke
Better to have interrupts and take something of value
crystal dirge
I'm running Vision, CnF, Sphere and Nullif
left hatch
its only used on raid cause you can reliably proc it for ~2-3k dps
Lucid my friend
very stronk
exotic spoke
aegis or lucid imo Myrina
left hatch
lotsa verse, speedier avatar
the only place id really advocate for Null in M+ is high tyranical ML
and even then only for last 2 bosses if your group is hearthing out and back in to swap gear
crystal dirge
Not sure, you can interrupt most casts, but some will still go off, it still does help negate a lot of unavoidable dmg, it usually shields a few mil and does around 5-8% of my overall
crystal dirge
Actually avatar might
left hatch
eh, physical is still a significant portion of every dungeon which null is worthless against, and verse is a % reduc to both
crystal dirge
Never thought about it but guess that's the random reset im getting 😂
left hatch
and 5-8% overall is way outshined by more avatar uptime and that verse you get
its just baked into the rest of your damage %'s
and as of earlier this week avatar was
tbd if they'll hotfix
exotic spoke
Also, will leap give stacks?
crystal dirge
Yh, now that you mentioned I'm pretty sure it was that, and if they'd hotfix then so should they shapeshifting etc
Leap and charge is only 1 or a few stacks
exotic spoke
Seems like a lot of classes have ways of breaking
crystal dirge
I usually stood still in the middle until we saw where to go and leap+charged the person in the proper position
crystal dirge
I'm very conservative with my corruption, didn't really go over my 23 with r2 TD yet
left hatch
iv been rolling with 39 since last week comfortably
crystal dirge
I can't equip anything else that wouldnt put me over 40
left hatch
and i just realized today spell reflect negates the entire eye without being consumed lul
crystal dirge
you can also reflect the delusion afaik
left hatch
yah
iv played around a bit on target dummies with 4x and it wasn't speedy enough that a stormbolt + walking away a few steps was more than enough
not sure how it plays out 50+
crystal dirge
it runs 🙂
left hatch
if you're saving SR for something like cyclone strike that is
crystal dirge
running scale+vita atm, really enjoying the giga haste, but actually thinking about using the nzoth trinket for stuff like Ilgynoth 2nd beams etc
my co-tank got it and worked great on him
it would also free up some externals for other people if necessary
left hatch
460 scale and 465 rezans 😄
2 OP and 1 MS
sit at like 70-80% haste most of the time
its pretty juicy
crystal dirge
if you can get used to the retarded slow fall
left hatch
yeh 1/2 the rezan proc with double the uptime
not sure on vita, on paper its better than even rezan but
theres super inconsistencies when it comes to real uptime
sick sentinel
282 haste to other party members is nice
left hatch
yah its def a good haste trink
just not sure if its better
cause on logs the uptime varies from like 15% to 35%
sick sentinel
What are the go to tank trinkets
left hatch
on the same fights
sick sentinel
I mean rezan's for me has average of only 15% also
so if it gets up to 35 vita is suprere
left hatch
Block, Rezan, Scale, Vita rn
sick sentinel
superb*
left hatch
maybeeee nzoth but they're playing around with hotfixes on it
sick sentinel
Well
using rezans on ST fight is kinda
lol
use coral/ink if you're going to do that
crystal dirge
Dont have them, been playing monk for prog last season
left hatch
i think they stealth nerfed ink... DH's in my guild were crying about it dropping in value hard on mythic release day
but idk
sick sentinel
maybe
left hatch
DH's are all kinda pepega right @warm plinth
crystal dirge
Whats the thing about Rezans on ST anyways? there's nothing in the tooltip really and I'm not into theorycrafting that bad
left hatch
corruption the biggest contributing factor rn for parsing
sick sentinel
^
sick sentinel
