in a pug
#protection
strong forum
analog zinc
i was at n'zoth for 42 pulls last week :p
analog zinc
if i get a trinket i'll be 460 ๐ฎ
analog zinc
ooh you're EU
daring marlin
I wonder how puggable M Wrathion is.
analog zinc
its a very punishing fight
daring marlin
That was a glorified miniboss tbh
analog zinc
prob heroic
sacred bear
so not one shot territory then
naive panther
anyone buying heroic pieces first? could almost get 3 right now
just need 30 more tr
now i need 1 tr
inland mesa
hmmm, 475 gloves ๐ฆ 12% avoidance corruption, probably cleanse to keep wearing my 430 t3 infinite stars?
astral crystal
that feel when you get the mecha hammer with crit corruption ๐ฉ
formal night
What traits do you guys recommend? The shoulders are from skitra and the helm is Greathelm of the Putrid Path?
sick sentinel
Brace and blightborne maybe
modern edge
Thoughts on Servant Splitter(455) vs Resonating Crystal Scimitar(445)
modern edge
ok thanks
analog zinc
i timed a 15 & only got 2 pieces of loot
sick sentinel
feels good
glass bluff
did they change how fast necrotic stacks?
naive panther
doing islands with 58 corruption doesn't seem bad at all
warm plinth
Also, @modern edge You should use the higher ilevel weapon. Stats contribute to survival and DPS but so does weapon DPS (affects damage far more than stats do and also impacts your IP size)
ivory barn
I need help rebuilding this tank set, anything I need to get rid of?
moving all the gems to haste
chilly brook
@ivory barn unless your haste is over double your strength in offensive weight you should have a 120 strength gem
ivory barn
the 120 and the 80??
chilly brook
80 is hit or miss
But probably worth gemming it tbh
Since strength is more than just dps
But 1 haste gem I can say with certainty won't be better than a 120 strength gem
ivory barn
anything you would recommend switching gear wise?
chilly brook
Are you wearing your highest ilvl in all slots?
chilly brook
Use what you like for the most part, theres some trinkets that aren't great but if you have a good ilvl butchers block, rezans, wrathion trinket etc. Its all pretty up to you
Rings I would just use ilvl
ivory barn
chilly brook
General use I'd just use rezans and block
left hatch
Block and Rezans
i heard inkpod got stealth nerfed hard today... but have yet to confirm
quartz iris
yeah not actually sure why i still have it never look at it
left hatch
pawn is really bad since stat weights fluctuate after every upgrade
so you'll end up resimming after each piece anyway
ivory barn
why am I enchanting crit,,,,
left hatch
crit is good for M+
chilly brook
Idk
ivory barn
Vers for Raid tho
chilly brook
Haste period tbh
left hatch
some ppl that min max M+ will swap enchs and gems to crit
chilly brook
If you sim you probably get the most per point from haste
ivory barn
looking up a guide, force multiplier still?
ivory barn
and my stats sim (fuck that sim page) says weapon ddps +vers
chilly brook
Idk everything is all wacky with corruption now
chilly brook
So you might get more out of verse damage wise but you for sure get more defensively out of haste
Corruption should be fine at 29
left hatch
tons
ivory barn
seeing both used in raid
left hatch
mmm maybe.... theres a decently log aoe spam phase
Maut, skittra and non-mythic xanesh
are good ST fights
analog zinc
Poggers
chilly brook
I got this literally the day before I cut off my sub @ivory barn
ivory barn
oof
sterile mantle
worth it over crafted pants and to deal with the eye for raids?
still flame
I just got my heart to 75 ๐ I have VoP as Major, what should my 3 minors be?
I've got Lucid Dreams and Aegis of the Deep in there right now
ivory barn
using that for raid rn, any suggested changesx?
still flame
whats the 4th one?
still flame
gotcha -- is that considered the best of the essences for prot and corruption resist?
inland mesa
do you guys cleanse the wrathion weapon?
analog zinc
that's up to you & your corruptions
analog zinc
ya
random gust
So this is probably a stupid question, but block is only physical right?
undone sun
Not always
warm plinth
There are uncommon exceptions to it, such as Mandible Slam in Ny'alotha
Oh I guess that is physical. It says blockable spell on the sheet though -_-
random gust
Does that mean the azerite piece S tier is different for Ny'alotha?
warm plinth
Why do you say that?
random gust
although its not a tremendous amount of magic damage
so I could just be overthinking this
I was looking at icy veins
full cloud
Is there any way you guys could see rank 2 Void Ritual (secondary stat proc) be better than rank 3 Twilight Devastation? Sim is telling me yes, but man how can that be? Bloodmallet difference is a world apart
For M+ also
left hatch
- bloodmallet hasn't been updated for nerfs
- EV is more consistent in all situations where TD falls off hard in ST because of how inconsistent its procs are
- DPS per corruption is a factor to consider
oh woops you're talking void ritual
not ev
next stone
Hey guys, would a second defening crash or second brace for impact be better?
red dock
I have 455 socket bracers with r2 stars, 440 bracers with +15 corruption void ritual. Obviously the stars is better but my gloves have 35 corruption vers on damage taken. That leaves me at 58 which is way too much. Should I just use the stars bracers and normal gloves?
I mainly M+, could use strength of warden or touch of the everlasting to get to 48 too but seems iffy
sick sentinel
If you are going for damage, stars is probably better. Those essences are not really good, so your best bet is probably to reduce the amount of corruption you have
Verse is good too, so itโs really up to you
red dock
Alright, will probably just stick with stars bracers and non corrupt gloves for now then
ty
warm plinth
Well, for damage it's always a sim question :p
ivory barn
for survival?
warm plinth
Whichever one gives more stats. Probably the socketed one
hidden plaza
Where should i look to find info about which corruption is good for m+ tanking
shadow tapir
So I am noticing that BoM is causing my Force Multiplier to use Mastery instead of Haste when it procs approx 50% of the time, think that' s a bad thing?
ivory barn
./cry no haste ๐ข
shadow tapir
๐ฆ so will you not use that ilvl upgrade then?
quiet crane
He will itโs just a feelsbadman
shadow tapir
:*(
strong forum
the game doesnt want me to get corruptions, now i have T1 stars and T1 Mindflay...
nimble mauve
how do you guys typically approach azerite vendor? save for 475s or get 460 as well?
ionic fern
475
nimble mauve
gotcha. that is what i was leaning towards. thanks!
opal python
was wondering between 2 corruptions what would you go?
Surging vitality (taking dmg, % to get 728 vers for 20 secs)
or passively leach increased by 8%?
i mean vers seemed better for both offensive and defensive
but i'm not sure how good leach is on a protwarr, its a new alt
opal python
anyone?
ionic fern
Vers @opal python Leech is poo.
opal python
thought so, but cheers. <3 this discord
ionic fern
@spiral thistle It's decent. ๐ Can sim for DPS to see just how much. ๐
spiral thistle
more if the corruption will fk me too much ๐
rare kelp
any thoughts ?!? fml right ?!
mortal brook
Thats a cleanse right there D:
maiden ravine
I feel silly having t3 ev on 430 boots that I literally can't replace until I get another ev piece
strong forum
Ye, but atleast it's lucky that ilvl doesn't impede the dmg of it
Like stars or flay
ivory barn
its ok guys
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5CArxHyKUxVwG9a5aakzor I just got this for a 900dps upgrade
frail oar
Can I cry if I got the sporepods?
strong forum
Yes, very so
ivory barn
why are sims saying the Chest plate [Carpace of Pulsing Vita ilvl465] is worse than the [Breastplate of the Vengeful ilvl450]?
due to BI?
brittle owl
@midnight yacht sorry i only gear swap with gamers
crimson furnace
guys, 475 rezan? is that trinket still good??
midnight yacht
Cleanse inc for my shield
ivory barn
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fLxCMXsCGrmY12AvDkJdge | https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5CArxHyKUxVwG9a5aakzor is that pair of bracers + the vers rings seriously 5k dps boost?
west galleon
that is in fact what the sim says
ivory barn
but the 39 corruption is ๐คข
west galleon
39 is easy
strong forum
Fuck you @brittle owl
brittle owl
๐
opal python
so the 1 hander from wrathion isn't all that great then?
opal python
not worth the corruption yh?
opal python
i've currently got haste from all sources 6%, and on dmg % to get 728 vers
prob best to stick with those and maybe cleanse this 1hander i guess
opal python
hmm
strong forum
The weapon is guaranteed 1.5k+ dps
regal tree
Any1 got this https://www.wowhead.com/item=168963/fusion-hacker&bonus=4777 ? How good this
strong forum
Isnt that just a 415 world drop
regal tree
Mecha drop
opal python
what trinkets are ppl going for now? guess those ep tanking trinkets still beast. i've got mecha trink with haste overclock and the other from wrathion
looking for both offense and defense in one kinda thing
ivory barn
I'm using vita and rezan/urcin
crimson furnace
just got a rezan in the chest
475 and was asking
if its good or nay
for this expansion
opal python
hmm, there are new better haste ones
and i'd try and get the mecha trinket tbh with red haste overclock, or the vita trinket from ra-den is also better than rezan i think
strong forum
Rezan is better this season than last
sharp night
mecha trinket is capped at 455 ilvl and you'd have to be pretty darn lucky to get both the yellow and red card at that level
crimson furnace
it procs almost all the time
west galleon
wrathion trinket is hella uptime too
strong forum
The ra-den trinkets have very low uptime
So they're not recommended from what I've gathered
sharp night
the low uptime is just people getting unlucky on logs
sharp night
yeah that's fair
i checked top logs yesterday and it had somewhere between 15-33% uptime on n'zoth heroic with an average of about 25% so it's pretty much the same as rezan's with a better proc
west galleon
vita is good void is bad
sharp night
for vita that is
rapid jewel
does faralos damage proc get splittet?
hexed sage
Is it possible to add Spell Reflect dmg to details dmg sheet?
west galleon
there's a weakaura for it
jolly thistle
eager tartan
strong forum
Bruh there's nothing wrong with that
Atleast you have haste
That's actually very efficient pants
This is so much worse, its smth but still
west galleon
hmmm question
430 crit vers avoidance +35 ev, 445 +35 expedient vers mastery pants and 435 vers mastery wrist +35 expedient
probably just belt and pants ig
undone sun
don't think about avoidance as a consideration
west galleon
ik it's bad but it was just there so i stuck it on
picked belt bc ev op
but i have 475 +3% leech belt that's crit haste so idk
brittle owl
leech is another thing you don't consider
west galleon
o rly thought leech would be busted
undone sun
far from it
earnest wadi
i see a lot of prots take the strength of warden essence in their 4th minor slot, is the heal amount that good or they just want to increase their corruption resistance?
sharp night
corruption resist until they get formless
atomic grove
Is this shield good for prot? I know the corruption is good but is this Overload ability any good?
strong forum
The corruption is very good if you take the dmg proc corruptions out of the equation
The shield has apparently 1ppm so the proc itself is negligible, the socket makes up for the missing secondary, so overall a good shield if you don't have any of the 'broken' corruptions
atomic grove
Ye I have the small problem now xD
strong forum
Defo would hurt having to cleanse this corruption if the dmg procs get nerfed or the procs buffed to be in line with each other
atomic grove
I'll post another ss in a sec for advise brb
strong forum
if you have to cleanse it
atomic grove
What would you cleanse from those items guys?
Echoing void with waist combo gives me +40 corruption with is pretty bad in raids but fine in m+
echoing void + shield is +60 which is pretty unacceptable imo
And if I drop echoinng void its below 40 which is great but dropping max rank echoing void seems strange xD idk what to do ๐ฆ
strong forum
Woah
That's.
A tough fucking choice
I think you have to cleanse the shield
You will 100% wear the shield for a long time
Losing EV t3 is an absolute no-go, too much dps.
The belt is low corruption that's why you could keep it.
Yeh, with that shield corruption you can't wear any t3 for a while. And being as strong as they are, not worth it imo
atomic grove
Ye thinking the same, and maybe I'll just replace the belt on hard raid fights to drop below 40
atomic grove
Ye idk if im that ballsy to play +60 corruption on mythic raids as warrior tank xD
strong forum
If you equip 2x corruption resistance essences
You can be below 60
With shield + EV
regal tree
essences don't stack
strong forum
Ah rip
atomic grove
I can be at 58 with 1 seence
essence*
Thanks for help tho, I'll think about it for few hours before dropping anything so if others have anything to say I'll be grateful
jolly thistle
you probably wonโt get a better shield this expansion. Tough choice
regal tree
Imho cleanse shield
atomic grove
I'm thinking now if I would replace my current weapon with wrathion mythic sword and if I should take this in consideration XD
life's hard brothers, life's hard.
strong forum
I wouldn't trade the weapon until you get another EV t3
wintry ermine
dont cleanse anything until they balance the corruptions imo.
young oasis
Guys, how you rank combo of void+vita titanshard
got both
currently using 445 rezan+460 vita titanshard. Is combo better than that?
I prefer max DPS
west galleon
vita is good void is especially bad as tank
merry cave
Anyone know how psych shredder is for prot since the hotfix? I dont think bloodmalle thas been updated
sick sentinel
do we get damage corruption when we open chests in prot or should we do it as dps loot specc
vestal edge
anyone else warcraft logs not updating for their character? i killed 6 bosses on heroic last night with guild and got 95-99 on every single fight in guild logs but it didnt update on my character sheet
craggy harness
i had issues first week and with the live logging
i delete my logs and upload small chunks now
but it was more of an issue of it not finding anything in the logs
lucid parcel
People looted shields with EV so I don't think opening the chest as prot would be an issue
vestal edge
i opened as prot and got a 465 1h sword with r3 infinite stars haha
hence the straight orange and pink parses all night last night
strong forum
Lootspec does not affect corruptions
Corruptions have nothing to do with spec or class
vestal edge
i know i just mean i got a 1h sword with a good curse on it instead of sporepods or mchimbas bandages lmao
lucid parcel
I just wish for a good EV, got one R2 but unlickily on mastery vers 445 gloves, pretty sad
runic hare
Wish I could get some nice corruptions for a change. Just looted pants with t2 EV on normal, but that's gonna cost me the blacksmithing pants with socket
vestal edge
go jc then and make a good ring
runic hare
Could do that, but then I'd lose all my oldschool patterns from way back when :/
vestal edge
oh there is a little red spinner in the top of the guilds logs saying this report is still in queue for rankings so hopefully it will go up soon
raw turtle
which belt should i use?
brittle owl
445
like
no contest
imagine even considering +45 corruption and -15 ilvls is worth it
strong forum
B-b-but l-leech
ionic fern
vital plover
Hey guys
Do you usually buy the HC azerite pieces from the vendor first before the mythic ones?
I currently have 3x BiS 445 Azerite and I'm not sure if I should buy the random HC or wait a bit for the random mythic piece
vital plover
Yeah, that's what I've been doing the first 3 seasons as well
strong forum
Depends on your situation
I personally bought HC pieces last season before mythic ones
This time around I already have 2 good 465s so I'll wait for mythic piece to replace my bis 450
Also depends if you raid mythic and hc or not
If you raid HC it's not worth buying HC pieces
vital plover
I only do M+
atomic grove
how much haste is too much haste guys?:D
undone sun
an unreachable amount
atomic grove
Got 31.1% wonder if I should prio vers/crit now
undone sun
nope
strong forum
200% is a spot to think about stop getting haste
tame garden
Maybe for you ๐
still flame
has there been any estimate of the PPM of Twilight Devastation (does x% of your health to enemies in a beam)? I got Tier 1 gloves last night (6% of health) and wondering if it's worth considering with also using Anima of Life and Death as a Minor essence
strong forum
Think about it
How much is 6% of the health you gain from anima
That's the increase you're considering
still flame
with Anima at max stacks my health would be around 600k, so dmg would be around 35k or so
tame garden
Super not worth esp with only a t1 td
still flame
right, cause thats basically one Shield Slam
strong forum
Way less
mental scarab
BUUUUUT 109 corruption wasnt fun
tame garden
6% of 40k isnt a shield slam
strong forum
6% of the 40-60k or so you get from anima, is 2400-3600
That's less than deep wounds tick
still flame
but doesnt it take from your entire health pool?
strong forum
That's irrelevant
What you are asking
Is if anima is worth taking as minor
And I'm telling you why it isn't
Cuz you have 550k+ without anima as you stated
So you are asking to increase the TD dmg by 2400-3600 with said minor
strong forum
It would do very little to increase your dmg of TD for the loss of an actually good minor
Now even at TD r3, it would only be an increase of roughly 10k dmg.
still flame
gotcha
cinder storm
Specially this week where you will have to run a lot and your health will drop below 35% a bunch of times so your uptime from anima will be minimal
still flame
you mean in M+?
cinder storm
Yes
still flame
yeah. im at ilvl 442 right now but havent done very much M+ yet
Got CnS Rank 1, but ive never done much PvP so I have to figure out the best way to rank that up. Also have to go buy the rank up for Nullification Dynamo
cinder storm
I only do mythic and I've only had to use Nullification Dynamo for Zul on pugs, but if you are raiding then yeah you need it
lucid pendant
Is anima ever worth running as a minor? I have Wrathion sword, so it has offensive considerations as well as defensive ones. I'm ~460 ilvl, mostly M+
tame garden
No
It's a bad minor
Only niche would be if it would save you from a 1shot
Which is pretty niche
ripe shale
Hey, do you think CnS major is worth for necro or should I stick with VoP ?
strong forum
I literally had an explanation why anima is not good
Like 5 sentences above
Cns major can be used for the vers gain more than the root itself, its not bad
ripe shale
Oh I didnt even think about the vers boost, thank you :p
left trout
is anyone using punish instead of in the fray for wrathion?
strong forum
You'd lose out on 15% haste, that'd make no sense
lucid pendant
@strong forum so cns, sphere & lucid this week for minors?
strong forum
No, you need VoP
lucid pendant
VoP is my major
sterile mantle
Is Surging vitality worth taking over EV?
strong forum
Rn I'd say nothing is even close to EV besides TD
I don't even know what surging vitality is
Like a stat proc?
sterile mantle
Surging Vitalityย - Taking damage has a chance to increase your Versatility byย Xย for 20 sec.
Tier 1 - 312 (15 Corruption)
Tier 2 - 416 (20 Corruption)
Tier 3 - 728 (35 Corruption)
I have t3
sterile mantle
I thought so, just wanted a second opinion
I mean even on a 2k it, it's like 4k reduction
Right now trying to lower my mastery a bit towards more verse
Only boss that really hurts in wrathion
Is*
drowsy veldt
How much corruption you guys think is too much for m+
strong forum
60+
lucid parcel
I try to stay under 40 if it's a tight dungeon where might be hard to avoid the copies
drowsy veldt
Hmm ok ok I can manage
I put all my corruption on just to see how much I sim lol 44k as prot would be fun
tame garden
๐ค
haughty forum
I don't like 40+. I feel bad taking that extra dmg
strong forum
On 8.3 release day I was 41k with T1 stars
sick sentinel
what do you sim now?
strong forum
Can't sim, still at work
But I would assume close to 45k maybe more
Didn't get any new corruptions
Besides mindflay t1
compact matrix
strong forum
Depends on what you have
Depends on your guild
Depends on your confidence
Rezan / gore / coral / inkpod / cyclo / edict / urchin / jes' howler / dragonscale are all usable
strong forum
T3 stars / EV?
strong forum
There's you answer
tame garden
I'm at 44k on my bear but no EV yet ๐ฆ
karmic onyx
Does anyone have a source for corruption items to look for/avoid as a prot warr? I wish I could sim every upgrade but in unclear on what to look for or get excited about other than twilight devastation
strong forum
Corruptions to avoid are the ones that will put you above 60 corruption :)
warm plinth
Echoing Void is worth getting excited about
warm plinth
Infinite Stars is pretty good for ST, so you can get excited about that too if you raid ๐
strong forum
Meanwhile DH has t3 TD and t3 mindflay, t3 haste proc
strong forum
And t2 %haste
drowsy veldt
I have a rank 1 Stars on my 475 gloves... think I should just cleanse them and use the corruption elsewhere?
sick sentinel
probably
warm plinth
I mean, if it's what you got right now, might as well use it
strong forum
I mean keep it
It's only 20 corruption
Assuming you have nothing else and you're not breaking a threshold
drowsy veldt
I have a bunch of other stuff I got the 460 wep off skitra or w/e and then have one for crit and mastery and gushing wounds
And avoidance one
tame garden
Cleanse that avoidance lmao
drowsy veldt
Whaaat it gives me 10% avoidance lol thatโs not good?
drowsy veldt
Hmmm I guess I can cleanse it but thatโs only like 15-20 too
drowsy veldt
I have r3 stars on a 445 ring too
strong forum
The 2 only corruptions that don't increase dmg output
tame garden
Avoidance is a good stat in raid but I dont think youd ever want to allocate it in your corruption budget
Theres just always gonna be better options
warm plinth
The aqir assault can literally die
Like come on Blizz with all these crystals and casters
cold cosmos
Well I'm certainly happy with my rank 3 TD belt after last night's raid <_< Co-tank, not so much
His poor abused taunt button
sick sentinel
Someone say leech
lunar jackal
Guys is null dynamo worth taking as a major as an extra magic damage mitigation for nyalotha?
cold cosmos
I think my damage is excessively high for a group that's not even doing Heroic yet <_<
wintry ermine
well, I'm on the other side of a tank combo like that, my co-tank (brm) has corruptions and I only have void ritual ๐ฆ
this corruption system feels baaaaaaaaaaaaad
cold cosmos
My co-tank is BRM too! But they do anywhere from 1/2 to 1/3 of my damage
tropic star
IS dps per point of corruption is pretty liniear so a t1 IS is still good use of curruption
cold cosmos
I got the wrathion weapon yesterday but can't even equip it because of my belt. Healers would murder me even before the Thing got me if I went into raid with that much corruption
strong forum
Not really hroglar
It's what 200k?
You might aswell just equip mchimba trinket
Same thing on shorter CD
analog zinc
fumkin rip
less dps than my first kill of n'zoth :<
tropic star
@lunar jackal if you want an extra mitigation tool. then take the EP tanking essence
strong forum
^
tropic star
40% reduction on a big tank hit would be the same as that 200k shield. and on less than half the cooldown
analog zinc
crucible major is prob more dps than a dps trinket tho
tropic star
i admit i used it on M azshara
strong forum
Playing turtle in raid isn't a thing as much tho
analog zinc
only really on dres & vex
tropic star
so many times i was at like 40 stacks of arcane vuln and sitting at 60% health
strong forum
Proper play saves you much more times than turtle build
warm plinth
You know what is a thing?
analog zinc
dres cuz your dps is irrelevent
warm plinth
What is a thing, is doing all your vale dailies, going to uldum, and the daily for the mount is the one that makes you go back to vale ๐
wooden radish
@ionic fern
analog zinc
vex cuz that bitch fucks
warm plinth
Hi Lincoln
analog zinc
300k/3s dot ๐
analog zinc
cant in p3
tame garden
Might as well crucible some tentacles on dres
wooden radish
@warm plinth hi Pinky. how are you
tame garden
Even if your boss damage is irrelevant
warm plinth
I'm fantastic
strong forum
Idk p3 is like 20seconds long
warm plinth
How bout you
strong forum
You Lust on 40% and she's just dead, that was my experience
warm plinth
warm plinth
Woah, Sco needs to calm down. Fuckin raging
glacial flint
can blizzard make my belt legendary? (KR13)
sick sentinel
you only did 30k?
sick sentinel
Also was one of your rogues afk
leaden grail
oh my god I got echoing void rank 3 on my 475 gloves from weekly _
sick sentinel
leaden grail
sometimes lucky after all
tame garden
random hill
hey guys! quick noob question lol. so how do u deal with necrotic stacks on bosses? I was doing junkyard for the first time(did mech zero a lot tho) and I had 30~ necro stacks on the first boss + even tho we wiped due to ppl not soaking I have been told I dont know how to run this dung(with is true I guess) so do u do adds first to get all of the bots and then go for bosses?
I have all of the tank ess
leaden grail
best advice on bosses that suck on necrotic is to reset whenever you can. Doesn't matter if it's 7 stacks or 10 stacks or 30 stacks
I did a 15 waycrest as fury warrior, tank didn't reset stacks on last boss until he had 25-ish stacks and died. I tanked a 13 or something later and just resetted 5 times at 5-7 stacks and was totally fine
Then again, I have not done mechagon this week yet so I can't really tell how necrotic behaves on that boss
random hill
so when do u do it tho? some bosses dont have a long cast time or abillity or even room to just run out
I see
I did ad
and it was really ez to reset as I had a lot of room or windows to do so
leaden grail
I just leap / intercept a ranged whenever there are 4> seconds left on it
leaden grail
well you might want to give yourself some room to do it. in my waycrest run i almost tanked the boss under the stairs where the npcs are and leapt to the boss spawn location to reset
glacial willow
Hello prot brothers, i'm having trouble picking my azerite traits on my multiple pieces ( trying to get out the best pieces among them )
leaden grail
worst case tell your dh to blur and taunt, those guys are unkillable tbh
sick sentinel
several people are typing
glacial willow
which website i should refer to the most ? wowhead or icy ?
random hill
true very true
warm plinth
@random hill You don't need bots to kill stuff. They're just helpful (especially the shock bots). They wouldn't make or break your success on a boss in most cases.
@glacial willow Icy-veins, though keep in mind that icy-veins is written as a defensive guide.
random hill
@warm plinth so still just go to the bosses and just pick as we see them?
warm plinth
Yeah you'll eventually come up with a route that at least has 5 shock bots on it so that everyone in your group can have it. They're everywhere though. If you get Method Dungeon Tools, they are marked on the map in that addon.
glacial willow
@warm plinth grazie brother
leaden grail
shock bots are insane though. In all my junkyard runs we easily spent 5min+ to get shockbots for people before engaging any dangerous pulls
then again we depleted every single one of those so maybe that's a bad idea ^^
tame garden
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analog zinc
neat
raw turtle
*J
random hill
@leaden grail and @warm plinth ty for the help !
vapid ibex
what minors are u guys running for m+ this week? and u guys running CnS major?
grand drum
Dont run cns major
sick sentinel
Minors I am running are same as usual, I donโt usually change much as necrotic isnโt hard for prot warriors to deal with. Vision major with CnS/Lucid/Aegis for me this week. Though sphere of suppression can be better early in a season when you donโt have as much haste
analog zinc
conflict major is solid but
make sure you're not running sphere minor like i was lmfao
sick sentinel
Ya hate to see it
analog zinc
"hey can you remove crippling poison"
10 mins later i realize why stuff isn't getting rooted
limpid pawn
Wait how does sphere minor mess with the conflict major?
crystal dirge
is into the fray worth on wrathion at all?
you never tank while stacked on ppl
1 stack might be worse than the SS dmg increase?
warm plinth
If it's only 1 stack, then punish is probably better; at least, that's been the cutoff in the past. I don't know the fight though. Also, remember that both allies and enemies count so even if you have a friendly nearby, that'd give you stacks too.
analog zinc
conflict doesn't root if mobs are slowed by >30%
warm plinth
The icy-veins guide still says to use ItF on Wrathion so I'm guessing either we're geared enough at this point that 1 stack is better, or you don't actually have 1 stack the whole fight.
ionic fern
Wat?
tame garden
:o
ionic fern
You should have 4-5 stacks most of the fight.
tame garden
@crystal dirge
lucid dew
is 445 urchin going to end up staying meta you guys think for most content?
analog zinc
prolly not
manic scaffold
What do you guys have as your 4th slot
sick sentinel
Depends
If you need corruption resistance, formless void is ok as a 3rd minor
Also depends on what you are using for a major.
What are you using
manic scaffold
visions atm
sick sentinel
Are we talking raid content or m+
neon tangle
@manic scaffold I have a little thing that says "Reach lvl 75"
Shame and laziness are my true essence
left hatch
i mean its a high ilvl weapon early in the raid tier
so yes
the corrupotion effect on its pretty middle of the pack though
drowsy veldt
Yeah I have it it does like 4% your dmg so itโs meh
raw turtle
ok thanks
manic scaffold
mythic +
dark lark
I cleansed my sword so I could use twilight dev 2 from my belt
Otherwise i was getting gibbed by thing from beyond lol
analog zinc
any good?
dark lark
Doesn't seem like it
left hatch
its ok if you use it on cd
as a damage bonus
i dont think its worth any ilvl though
warm plinth
Yeah it's not good, and definitely not worth ilevel.
spice musk
Mechagon trinket 410 + Edict 430 +Socket I got now Maaut trinket 445 should i switch one trinket?
limpid pawn
it looks like people are using edict/urchin for high keys still
analog zinc
@spice musk neither
limpid pawn
and some randomly are using vita titanshard and very rarely the red aoe trinket from nyalotha
minor essences, it looks like warden is becoming popular, also aegis
novel agate
hard to get that trinket. melee dps are clinging to it
limpid pawn
best AOE trinket in the game right
novel agate
ya
limpid pawn
i got it but don't use it yet
novel agate
by a wide margin. except for arms 
spice musk
ok
novel agate
that Vita gives so much haste. wish the set would work out side of raid tho
spice musk
im just having trouble to figure out which trinkets are good
limpid pawn
yeah i think the 1 minute cd one has some thing written in it that says its max effectiveness is in nyalotha
cedar jolt
yo boys, anybody play a lot of prot can take a screenshot of hotkeys and send to me, getting back into it and cant find a nice setup yet
analog zinc
its a good pick for keys but I wouldn't take it in raid except for like maybe ilg
novel agate
honeybear, in the ui-weakauras-addons there are a few prot set ups in there
warm plinth
lul
tame garden
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warm plinth
Lincoln 
sick sentinel
Yo, i seem to get chunked for 60-70% by the spiritbreaker M+ boss
from the boelisks
spirit breaker?
anyone know any good counterplay or is that a thing
the fear?
tame garden
The breaker of heros
sick sentinel
or do you mean the tank buster guy
If it's tank buster guy
Tank buster guy, basically
it's magic damage
tame garden
It's not magic damage
sick sentinel
100 % sure its physical
or it's physical I mean sorry
but block doesnt work against it
I just forgot you can't bop it
nor block
novel agate
you just run from it. that is what i do.
sick sentinel
do we just spread the cheeks then
novel agate
you get hit by breaker, then you have time between that and when he is running to you for your healer to catch up
limpid pawn
pop any mitigation for first hit, then run away for his aoe move
then you can leap when he does the next one, or use another cd
shield wall, demo shout, and last stand all let you survive 1 hit from that guy
runic hare
You guys reckon it's worth it to combine the two Ra-den trinkets
over let's say Edict 445 ilevel etc?
exotic spoke
tame garden
You're pretty easy to kite
sick sentinel
Hmmm. Is for less void minor worth using for keys?
I didnโt think any of the new essence minors looked decent except to lower my corruption
strong forum
its the best of the new essences
so if you need the resistance, formless void is the go-to pick
runic hare
Formless Void also procs off your own major essence
strong forum
does it proc off of VoP
runic hare
So depending on your major power, you can have a lot of uptime on it
tame garden
No it doesnt proc off vop
strong forum
rip
zealous ore
Is void twisted any good?
wooden radish
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wheat talon
which minor are we using for corruption resistance? formless void?
tame garden
Yes
wheat talon
is it ever worth using the healing from strength of the warden minor?
left hatch
no
the heal proc often leads to overhealing
esp since the majority of the healing is stored in between pulls
itll be dumped on pull when yo'ure still near full
prisma crane
quartz mist
How is necrotic for prot ?? Just returning back
left hatch
easy
Shockwave -> Heroic leap = free reset
plus being a proactive tank means were hit less hard than tank more heavily dependent on healing
like dk's
cerulean oxide
dks + necrotic = ๐ฉ
haughty forum
I really hate necrotic weeks. I get joy from pulling big & chain pulling in M+ and having to be sure to stop combats or clear stacks, etc just makes them less fun.
cerulean oxide
i like em, clearing it means i get to kite
left hatch
necrotic is less of a barrier to that than bolstering/bursting
cerulean oxide
which is better than standing still and smashing buttons (for me personally)
left hatch
i disagree kiting feels like you're doing nothing
analog zinc
necro / bolstering motherlode is just so zzz
left hatch
pumping dps is more fun than running away
cerulean oxide
thats why I say personally ๐
i like kiting, means i am taking 0 dmg
but i understand that others dont
spring wadi
any imput if the anodized deflectors (mechagon wrist) ?
quartz mist
Damn , thanks y'all for the feed back
left hatch
they're fine, not worth losing ilvl on
analog zinc
normal motherlode i get to do 6-9 min chainpulls
left hatch
just macro the on use to like TC
spring wadi
kay. thx
frosty holly
Engi head, what do i wana use from second ring?
Synaptic Spark Capacitor?
Also 460 ring with socket Crit/mastery vs 465 Haste/Vers. Guess 465?
tame garden
Socket
unreal girder
on method dungeon tools, is there a way to check like, priority mobs on the pack
id check myself but won't be able to login till tomorrow
im just starting to tank and I'm going super yolo just aoeing without regard for anything since low keys are so dumb easy
analog zinc
i dont think you can setup anything like that
unreal girder
don't know who developed the add-on but would be a amazing tool to add
analog zinc
do you mean like
adding a diff colour to individual mobs?
cuz you can do that but you'd have to kinda split the pull
unreal girder
just highlighting that this specific mob has a dangerous ability that should be dealt with
either dodging/interrupting/kiting
analog zinc
the addon isn't for that
analog zinc
its to organize routing, not tell you how to do mythic+
unreal girder
yea
analog zinc
on like below 10 keys you wont notice anything
unreal girder
guess i will just have to borrow some friends and fuck their keys
slim crater
does anyone know what prot's attack speed scales from? seems to get higher attack speed when i unequip haste gear
warm plinth
It scales from haste o_O
unreal girder
lol
warm plinth
You will get higher attack speed when you remove haste gear.
Because higher attack speed is worse than lower attack speed.
If you're going by the character sheet
slim crater
ah, its flipped my bad
warm plinth
Yeah it's the swing timer ๐
unreal girder
yeah I can see how it can be confusing
slim crater
it only says attack speed (seconds)
warm plinth
Yeah it's just a little misleading
unreal girder
exactly
warm plinth
It's telling you the time between attacks
slim crater
for highest st is it still worth it to go triple RF?
warm plinth
I'd just go with whatever sims well. I imagine so but that's just because it hasn't changed at all.
slim crater
for m+ is there a haste you want to be at base for clap ever other gcd?
left hatch
i don't think its possible to not have clap up every other gcd when avatar is up
slim crater
what should wep ench be then, vers nav? or naga hide
slim crater
thank you!
lucid pendant
Has anyone made a WA to track Wrathion sword procs?
So we can hit dat big dps cool down last stand
left hatch
you can make one yourself pretty easily since its a tracked buff
but effort is better spent getting better corrupted pieces
wrathion is super lackluster
grand spruce
whats the best 3rd minor? im using aegis and null barrier right now with vision major
left hatch
in raid or M+?
grand spruce
both
left hatch
raid itll be Null, CnS, Lucid
M+ itll be CnS, Lucid, Sphere or Aegis
dealers choice
formless is useful if you need an extra 10 resistance
grand spruce
and is sphere still rank 1?
left hatch
np
raw turtle
unstable flames or overwhelming power? thoughts?
analog zinc
overwhelming power
raw turtle
ok should i stack it if i have the chance or is one enough?
sick parcel
I use VoP Maj. anima, null and warden. Reasons for anima and warden? 18% drunk tornado and corruption resistance passive healing.
warm plinth
Anima is garbage as a minor. You're increasing Twilight Devastation by a whole 10.8k damage per proc or something. And losing out on a much more valuable essence by doing so.
lucid pendant
Any specific corruptions we should look out for? Guessing void
warm plinth
Echoing Void and TD are both good. We have a lot that should be decent but since those are still head and shoulders above the rest, well, kinda gotta get one haha
sick parcel
You might be right math ainโt my thing. But I have no problems surviving and I love the reactions I get from dps when I pop last stand and proc 1 mil dps.
warm plinth
Well just put it this way, if you used Conflict & Strife, that's a consistent like 4.8% damage increase on everything
Which is way better than an extra 11k damage on TD
sick parcel
Seriously thinking of name change to FoxNews because itโs so fair and balanced.
warm plinth
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short kindle
can you trust bloodmallet for prot essences? or are they just going by dps
vestal edge
For third minor i need 10 resistance should i use warden or formless void minor
tender perch
hey anyone know what talents i should run for tanking? Current: Into the Frey, Bounding Stride, unstoppable force, bolster, rumbling, booming voice, anger management
Raid tanking***
manic scaffold
my friend says with taurens passive brawn is means you heal others for more? i thought you heal for yourself for more
sick sentinel
ripe mason
@tender perch Those talents are good. Though I'd replace Booming Voice with Devastator.
Generally a DPS increase in raids as it's basically 99% single target.
Not always, of course, but most often.
hollow gorge
How's the cooldown recover rate corruption for prot?
warm plinth
@manic scaffold it increases critical damage and healing that you do. Doesnโt matter the target. If someone else heals you, it does nothing. So basically if you heal/damage something (yourself or someone else) for 100 normally, a typical crit would double that to 200. With Brawn, you do 202 on a crit instead of 200.
@vestal edge I would suggest Formless Void.
left hatch
theres also the consideration that Anima doesn't really do jack for you in terms of survivability
ripe mason
buRT mEA HEJH p
left hatch
sure an extra 40k health looks nice and is a comforting safety blanket but it doesn't mitigate anything so your healer has to heal that all up
analog zinc
devastator is better for ST dps, booming voice is better for every other situation
left hatch
whereas any of the stat stick essences actively reduce the damage you take
warden is also shit
because of how it works it often ends up as overhealing that you waste
ripe mason
Ye, so with Anima you can take more damage before you die, but why do that when you can also just not take that much damage.
analog zinc
it can't overheal
left hatch
if you need corruption resistance run Formless void and share a haste proc with friends
analog zinc
but it causes overhealing
dark lark
How much are you guys hating the floating effect of the Wrathion trinket? I just got a 460 socketed.
left hatch
if you actually want full survivability minors your best bet is Sphere, Cns, Lucid and in some cases Aegis
which coincidentally is also our best lineup for dps as well
its not about math either, its just understanding what the different stats do
(for survival at least, for dps its also not a math thing. its a go sim it and do what it says thing)
vestal edge
what yall think about the corruption resistance minors the ten resist and the formless void minor seems good?
ivory barn
Can you spell reflect the crap from Hivemind?
limber pagoda
Hey the corrupt buff that reduces your ability cast by 3 sec per proc?! Is that only for caster? Or is that for melee as well?!
left hatch
@ivory barn it deflects not reflects
in the future this has everything thats reflectable/deflectable in current content https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRvMMhBT1xyvECDvAlxXirfLYtgzYZ18vjY3zRyA4LU7NgVg5Vmj-MroMT5W6i94q0aYNodyer0hbZ3/pubhtml
ivory barn
the Mindnumbing is reflectable? is that what this means?
left hatch
it doesn't apply the debuff but it doesn't put it back on the boss
astral crystal
Says deflect so itโs just magic parry
ivory barn
ah so it negates it
left hatch
deflect basically means the magic effect cancels
@limber pagoda since it specifies spells id assume its caster only
most things usable by melee will specify "abilities"
limber pagoda
Iโll take an image of it and post it here! I got it as a boe!
ivory barn
is there a spell reflect tracker for N'yalotha?
ivory barn
im only using this ๐ข
oblique garnet
Ineffable truth was fixed to work on melee
deep folio
twilight devastation or ev guys?
haughty forum
I don't know which is better for dps but watching a devastation roll over a pack of low level mobs and seeing health noticeably drop was kind of fun.
random gust
Icy veins still only shows the 3 recommended Essences, what would be the 4th or is that situational and thats why its left out?
waxen cradle
Hey guys personal opinion if planning to gamble roll next week what's your opinion for prot best gamble piece, Helm, Chest or Shoulders ?
leaning towards gambling helm or chest but its a toss up for me between the 2
manic cypress
Hello my prot warrior brothers.
Can we do a little mythic raiding discussion?
I got a couple questions for the first 3 as my guild starts our m journey tonight.
M wrathion
- I understand fury warrs can bladestorm to drop their slow debuff , what are the othrr spells for every other class that can do it too?
- Are prot warrs good to do the soak and pillar run ?
- How does leap and charge interact with the slow debuff.
M skitra
- Any tips for prot warrs?
- Do maut or skitra first?
M maut
- Should we make an effort to soak orbs far away to reduce dmg taken? I dont in heroic and healers get thru quite easily.
- Should i spam intercept on mages during p2?
- Any other tips?
waxen cradle
Of course Bastion is also a damn near guarantee for shoulders but its tough
left hatch
@deep folio depends EV is more consistent in all situations and will do better in ST but TD is pretty OP in aoe
frosty ridge
@manic cypress check this out https://tanknotes.tk/, there's also a part in there on which classes/specs can clear their own debuff on Wrathion
left hatch
personally id go EV for the consistency but its a personal call tbh
manic cypress
Thx host , i read thru that earlier but must hv missed out on that part. I wonder if its fully updated. Appreciate any additional tips u pros might have found on mythic first 3 bosses
frosty ridge
didn't even get to it, spent the first day on re-clearing heroic
shut summit
frosty ridge
as for Maut or Skitra, I'm pretty sure Skitra. that's what we'll do
west galleon
@manic cypress skitra first 100%
despite just being an easy boss, has a busted ass trinket for casters
sick sentinel
whole shit
Tyran ml hurts
tanking 60% of my HP per hit
and barely survived
and that moment when fear guy does more damage than the last two bosses
lmao
hot verge
which corruptions are best for m+ bois? Can i trust herodmg?
craggy harness
always good news when i update my UI and my neck isn't working
crucible of flame major working for everyone but me? lol
random gust
@frosty ridge wait why is there 2 different tank notes sites?
frosty ridge
what sites
random gust
frosty ridge
same site
random gust
both SEEM to be the same but the css is different on tanknotes.tk
nvm that was an addon for ff
doing that
random gust
why wouldnt it just redirect to .com lol
echo pebble
Is ineffable truth worth it? Seems decent with all the cds prot has
cosmic oasis
RNG
unreal girder
how do I deal with under +9 2nd boss?
analog zinc
step on ticks
unreal girder
just kite off to reset stacks close to tantrum P
like healer couldn't heal me
with necrotic
analog zinc
you shouldn't have high necro stacks
unreal girder
I had 24 i think
analog zinc
how
are you pulling trash onto boss
or missing ticks
cuz t hat's the only way you can get that high before tantrum
unreal girder
we had some ticks missed ye
analog zinc
that's why
cold cosmos
So my co-tank told me to just grab/use all of the annihilate orbs on Vexiona, who was I to say no?
analog zinc
blatent disregard of mechanics will cause you to wipe
unreal girder
had dh rogue dk dps
unreal girder
so like, i shouldn't worry about kiting at all then
analog zinc
no
analog zinc
necrotic doesn't do anything if you do the boss right
unreal girder
idk if thata good