so
#protection
sharp night
warm plinth
Moral of the story is, don't let Yazma spiders sneak up on you
warm plinth
Not all of them rotate
left hatch
interesting
oblique garnet
You can pull the pack away while your group goes in to the obelisk -> you die and take one of the portals from otherside while your group kites the tankbuster towards the entrance
warm plinth
Or be us and have a hunter 
oblique garnet
well yeah that works aswell
sharp night
@left hatch there's only 2 rotations that exist, and they swap every 2 weeks, 2 of the obelisks are in set locations and the other 2 swap
can you tell blizz likes the number 2
sharp night
you can see the positions/which ones they are in mdt, it has the "A" and "B" rotations
grizzled glen
is it worth going over 25 total corruption for the Heart of Darkness trait for keys?
shadow tapir
The corruption that does a 1,200+ haste increase for 4 seconds seems like it never activates =\
steel solar
How is uneffable truth? Not good for damage of course but is it still worth for the cd reduction?
tacit folio
Hey guys, what's the general impression of the Nzoth Tanktrinket for Prots?
Justwait told his stream that its a 5xx k Shield for his Brew Monk right now and I didn't completly understand why. Is it after DR from Armor but before DR from SecStats? Wouldn't that make the trinket insane for Warrior and Pala? (If you go for defensive trinkets of course)
He also said that it's somewhat bugged (don't know if he meant that Stagger is brought into the Absorb at 100% or if he meant that the Trinket is bugged in general)
left hatch
its the nzoth trinket, and its only in raid
that it gets really insane
because it gets consumed after all over forms of DR and absorbs, and with corruption resistance you can get it to 90+% DR alone
that tiny 18k absorb is actually higher than 400k
and stagger always has weird interactions with absorbs
outside of raid its not as crazy cause it loses the corruption resistance bonus
tacit folio
Yeah, with 27 Resistance I already got it to 93% I think. So it is insane in Raid, especially to counter the Tankbusters (which we seem to struggle with this content, because many of them are Magic, right?)
left hatch
havn't made it passed Ra-Den yet but i havn't noticed any crazy tank busters
so idk if you NEED it
tacit folio
I did struggle a bit here and there, but I just came back to Warrior, so maybe I am the reason they looked scary and they'll get easier the more I get used to Warrior again 😄
left hatch
better shield will help
and aside from that just using BS and SR to help with them
is all you really need
past lynx
Hello guys
We still running Vision on major, guys¿
left hatch
yes
past lynx
Thanks!
analog zinc
psyche shredder is busted
since its lower prio than other shields
so if you throw a PW:Shield on top of it you're basically doubling the shield if not more
its a divine shield on a 1 minute cooldown
distant crystal
warm plinth
🤦♂️
knotty vortex
well havent looked into tank much i only switch for M+
knotty vortex
good to know so wich it
warm plinth
The same corruptions everyone else wants pretty much. Echoing Void, Twilight Devastation
The haste from all sources one or any haste/crit procs are fine too
knotty vortex
ohh the dps ones gotcah
warm plinth
Yeah those two especially are just too good to not use them
hearty flume
Leech will be good later on alongside twilight dev or EV though
For keys
Not raid obviously
exotic spoke
No. It would be better to get more dps
silent tartan
yo, biss for war tank ?
craggy harness
... what's ponction in english?
warm plinth
Guessing speed
silent tartan
price ?
craggy harness
Polyvalance i thought was vers
warm plinth
Eh, I could see someone spending 500k on it. Maybe 750k
craggy harness
leech
silent tartan
hummm okok
craggy harness
apparently
warm plinth
Ah okay
silent tartan
yes
marsh silo
How good is the vers proc corruption?
marsh silo
I already have echoing void
And the raid weapon
At 58 corruption
So worth cleaning the vers proc off to not deal with mechanics?
opal python
is there any void elf here?
was wondering if the shadow resistance has helped in nyalotha
woven venture
Any time you'd run devastator over booming voice in a M+ environment? I feel like the answer is no, but I was so enjoying the single target DPS I was putting out in normal Nya this week it makes me want to run it for like a tyrannical KR or something.
But I feel like overall the loss of booming's extra dmg on trash would net me less overall, dunno.
opal python
yh
left hatch
its not worth
opal python
pretty much what you said, booming voice would be much better prty much all the time considering decent pulls + trash dmg to help
left hatch
because yo'ure also losing a decent amount of defensive value
opal python
yup, booming is better for both dmg and defensives
anyone knows how much shadow resistance void elfs have at max level?
ah nvm its 1% throughout
limpid pawn
ooo shit
so i just got 460 vita charged titanshard
for M+, would replacing a 445 edict with socket or 445 urchin be good?
prisma crane
really wish they'd remove the slow fall from that Wrathion trinket, its fucking annoying
grand spruce
Can you spell reflect mind rack?
ionic fern
You mean Mindwrack?
prisma crane
nope, shelves for your brain
grand spruce
Yes. Autocorrect FTW
ionic fern
grand spruce
👍
grand spruce
Is the 470 alchemist stone any good or are there other recommendations
exotic spoke
Anyone know the proc rate on Ineffable truth?
ionic fern
1ppm @exotic spoke
deep folio
Guys what is a good choice of essences for raid and m+ once you have 4th essence slot unlocked and are looking to max ur dps?
sullen valve
uwu use wowA
void dust
whats the best race for an horde tank?
ionic fern
But it's wonky for any melee spec if that's what you ment Riki.
w/e you like the best @void dust
BE,Tauren/HMT/Zandalari are what people seem to prefer but the rest are all decent as well. Race choice doesn't matter as much as people think.
@deep folio Depends what you are already running.
Raid wise i'd say:
CoF major,CnS/Nullr3/VoP or WV (if people are using it).
M+ wise:
VoP major, Aegis,Sphere,CnS,Lucid are all solid options.
And if you need a corruption resistance one then Formless void minor is also decent.
deep folio
Awesome @Mwahi thank you for the advice il swap some things around and see what happens currently using VoP Null and Memory for raid
ionic fern
VoP major is decent as well for raids for a more general setup.
CoF is a more offensive one.
deep folio
Trying to beat my co tank on dps he is a cocky monk lol
deep folio
Il check it out thanks mate 👍
mental scarab
Just get EV and you beat him AFK 😣 my co monk tank got it..... 30% isch of his dmg.... beating me im every fight 😭😭😭
formal grail
@ionic fern where can i find this chart of reflectable things etc?
ionic fern
#268491842637660160 Protection section - Blockable/Reflectable
formal grail
❤️ you rule! I'm fairly new to prot and learning all the reflectable / blockable things has been fun
ionic fern
Jeah, it's interesting/fun. Especially since Blizzard doesn't announce when they change blockable/reflectable things in most of the cases and you just get 1 shot.
formal grail
I'm also struggling with what to spend rage on but I found a message earlier with some kind of prio based on what damage is incoming. At least I moved revenge away so i dont use it anymore unless it procs :3
onyx vessel
Having a ignore pain tracker helps alot even more so with alot of fights in this tier are magic heavy and alot of things arent blockable
But still no reason not to use shield block
More dmg on shield slam
formal grail
Guess its also a matter of not keeping the stacks capped but rather rolling, although its good to always keep one around for that "just in case" thing right
woven venture
I find you never have to hold charges because by the time you would have regular shield block uptime you just use last stand which also makes you block everything while it's up.
formal grail
Oh true
Could use some input on which trinkets to use, this is actually all I have xD I mainly do M+
ebon hound
Just never equip the Modular Plating and you're gucci
mortal brook
thats a real item? D:
ionic fern
Mechagon iirc
formal grail
Yup. I'll just keep it in bags for looking better on ilvl 😄
mortal brook
set to ret 😄
mortal brook
its a loot spec
ionic fern
Woah, no bully ret.
onyx vessel
Dont worry i aint bullying ret
onyx vessel
mortal brook
idk
ionic fern
onyx vessel
deep folio
is VoP a must in m+ or can i use it in a minor slot if i have 4 slots unlocked and use CoF instead or am i talking complete rubbish?
ionic fern
You're talking complete rubbish.
The heavy majority of m+ is still AoE situations and the design of chain pulling means you won't waste Avatar procs from VoP.
deep folio
lol thought so thought id better ask some experienced ppl first lol
ionic fern
CoF is just a ST damage boost.
deep folio
got it ty dude 🙂
onyx vessel
Vision major is the lazy warriors dream
blazing sedge
any of you know if reckless flurry still works as prot? i tried to test it out on a dummy just watching my AA dmg but saw no difference
blazing sedge
ahh didn't realise it's seperate dmg from aa's
sharp night
haste one maybe? vers one is real bad though
flat jackal
Isn’t the vers trinket the one with the barrier?
sharp night
yeah, it's bad
mortal brook
haste one sure. the other is hot garbage you wont get uptime for
sharp night
the barrier will get eaten instantly so you lose the crit
which means it's effectively worth nothing
mortal brook
like that one mechadungeon shield bubble that lasts for almost a melee swing
sharp night
haste one is an insane amount of haste, not sure of the procrate on it but
it's like a mini-lust
1ppm according to wowhead i guess
that's way higher than rezan i think
in terms of haste per proc that is
sharp night
yeah
at 430 ilvl it's 1449 haste per proc vs rezan's 868, and that's not even with the group proc
dang that's actually a buttload of haste lol
mortal brook
that is several haste, for sure
sharp night
surprisingly going up to 475 ilvl barely improves it
1674 haste at 475, and 298 for party
mortal brook
hows the base haste
mortal brook
so a 430 beats the hell outa 475 rezan. cuz trinket balance
sharp night
dunno how much of a diff the str on rezan would compare to the base
but yeah
even a normal VCT probably beats rezan at any lvl lol
mortal brook
sounds like a whole heck of a lot of avoidance! (bliz plz give me real corrupted gear)
sharp night
oh wait
since all the corruptions scale off crit/haste/vers and not mainstat
that probably makes it even better
sharp night
all secondaries amp EV too though lol
lower gcd = more abilities spammed = more stacks of EV
mortal brook
you right. big build
sharp night
and they can crit/dmg affected by vers
mortal brook
reallly gettin tired of workin hard to lose to my cotank whose EV is 30% of their dmg for sure
and its only week 1!
sharp night
yea out of my alts all my scuffed ones that i don't play got ev/is
and none of my actively played tanks got any corruption.. at all
mortal brook
at this point im doing gear world quests for the offchance
wear that blue 415 till i die if its ev
tame garden
mortal brook
except that 47/51 of the new benthic is basically just '5% bigger in nyalotha'
ionic fern
I don't even bother with it tbh.. 😦
sharp night
i need EV/TD real bad, my m+ group, all of the dps are running either EV or TD and sometimes they just do like 200k+ dps on a pull opener lol
on a pack of 4 mobs
it's stupid
grim estuary
What do you think about the Haste Corruption ? Is it worth or not ?
sharp night
damage corruptions are best, stat corruptions are good
grim estuary
Which ring would u take than ? https://i.imgur.com/HLAdu0U.png
sharp night
^ and set your corruption limit to what you feel comfortable with
with current cloak level you'll be at what like 23
which should be fine
or 13 if you're using one of the new essences
right two probably sim the highest if i had to guess
opal python
is anyone else having difficulties with ra-den? hc?
ionic fern
Only difficulty i had there was healers topping me before the strike.
opal python
i decided to go with null major to use after decaying strikes but its seemingly extremely hard to live
yh
tame garden
It's a cooperative effort
ionic fern
If the healers play it correctly it's not a issue tho.
opal python
i was at like 100% before phase 2 and was literally only using melee
was like "oohhh boooyy"
xD
tame garden
😂
opal python
oh word
mortal brook
only difficulty i had was my cotank running vop/glut and meta rnging their health into infinity before the strike
opal python
omg yes gonna do that
lol
so what you guys think of null major right after strike?
mortal brook
theyll learn when we get to mythic, i suppose
opal python
worth it?
mortal brook
null major cd pretty dang long. only get it for one
tame garden
Better off with undying gift than null
But the true play is just being low hp for the strike
mortal brook
the more you go offensive, the lower your hp might be, the better off you are
its the best sort of fight
ionic fern
You in all honesty shouldn't need any specific major for that fight..it's just literally..be low hp before the strike.
The strike itself hits for only like 80k.
So you can hover safely at like 30-40% hp.
tame garden
Just tell healers to leave tanks at half hp
mortal brook
can always grab an external post strike. just make them understand not to do it pre-strike
tell them to treat it like every other fight; throw a fuckin cocoon on me after the other guy has already taunted
ionic fern
👀
tame garden
For the dot
brittle owl
that hits like a wet noodle if managed correctly beforehand ?
tame garden
Yes
mortal brook
dot is based on total health when struck, ticking for that every 2 seconds
brittle owl
yeah, just get healed post strike
mortal brook
time are hard in the 300 US level man
mortal brook
right
brittle owl
i kid
mortal brook
right on the 'should i just buy ce or will we actually pull our shit together this week' line
brittle owl
and 6-7 loot piñatas
gaunt dawn
Surprisingly easy as monk
brittle owl
trash is aids
mortal brook
trash imba. 800 mementos
gaunt dawn
You let stagger tick you down and dont get healed
ionic fern
Meanwhile warrior..RNG crit block PLZ NO.
mortal brook
tryin to convince my RL to just do inquisitor 10th
brittle owl
we killed it on second pull but healers still kept us topped
gaunt dawn
🤐
brittle owl
luckily had sw for cotank and bubble and goak for myself
brittle owl
prev pull he just got clapped in 3 globals 😂
brittle owl
how many pulls for nuhzoth
mortal brook
I was excited to see p1 would be skipped in mythic, only to be surprised that p2 is just p1 but longer
gaunt dawn
First p3 pull was fucked
brittle owl
seems decent enough
ionic fern
gaunt dawn
2nd p3 pull we planned better
ionic fern
👍
mortal brook
thatll be double in mythic \o/
grim estuary
BTW is any of the new Essence worth using ? it seems like no as far as i understand them 🤔
sharp night
use one for corruption resist if you need p much?
ionic fern
^
grim estuary
but besides that ?
sharp night
there's better essences if you don't need it
mortal brook
formless good minor if you need the resist. others are the poop
formal grail
had a dps yell at me yesterday after he pulled aggro in a 9 on the first pull in shrine (somehow the whole room, wtf), didn't have tricks or md and he went full on combust pyro burst. 🤷♀️
mortal brook
let him tank it. let him learn
ionic fern
Good thing as a tank is that you'll find a new grp in like 1 minute while the DPS will take 15+. :
😂
formal grail
Oh yeah however my rio score isn't updating at all, i have one of those chars taht doesn't get any new m+ runs shown on the blizz profile -.- forever stuck at 155 so people still decline
mortal brook
rio having troubles with the api swap
formal grail
Nop this isn't rio problem, my actual armory isnt showing the runs
mortal brook
wowaudit too D: cant creep on my guildies
formal grail
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/draenor/ayre/pve/mythic it only shows 2 runs i did, whereas ive done all on 9+ xD
mortal brook
thats a heck
formal grail
yep this is why raiderio can't show you your latest runs as they dont get the data from blizzard
mortal brook
oh man theres a new gear world quest. time to get my hopes up again!
marble cipher
@formal grail on topic of the bursty mage, he can actually invis to drop aggro 😉
but guess he forgot that
gaunt dawn
Dps loss
I'd never do it
I call out when and what I'm combusting
And I expect you to keep threat
ionic fern
Pug mages don't tho. 🤷
marble cipher
Sure, that's what I do when I run on mage too, but it's a good "oh shit" button in case the tank can't get aggro back quickly enough
ionic fern
They randomly combust .
mortal brook
open every pull with LFD. np
ionic fern
Dworf.:(
sick sentinel
Is there any consesus on Lingering Psychic Shell trinket from n'zoth ? for me at normal mode (455) it absorbs 15k with 95% damage reduction, effectively making it a 115k absorb every minute if I've calculated the absorb correctly.
However how does the damage reduction interact with ignore pain? would it first consume the trinket or would ignore pain absorb 50% of the 5% damage taken and then that remainder is absorbed the trinket ?
If there's been prio discussion concerning the trinket I'd love to have a reference :).
sick sentinel
that would be insane, if true
mental scarab
👀
sick sentinel
I used it yesterday in a dungeon, however details didn't effectively track its value, I checked under both damage prevented and healing done, not sure if I overlooked where to monitor its effectiveness. may have to write a custom tracker
gaunt dawn
Tbh as the tank
You should be calling it out
@ionic fern
You should have view of available dps cooldowns and pull accordingly
ionic fern
I do. But have you played with pug mages?
ionic fern
They will sit on combustion during a big pack and do nothing..and when i pull 2 mobs they combust.
When i play with a premade mage it's fine but the Majority of pug mages are horrible.
mortal brook
is the play to pop psychic right as like, edicts refreshes?
sick sentinel
if psychic shell indeed is the lowest priority in absorbs, yes that would indeed by the ideal scenario, with ignore pain up aswell
an 70k edict absorb would be an effective absorb of almost 700k (if i've done my maths correctly, 70 * 9.5)
really just needs to be tested, if it hasn't been already
imagine using it alongside the new Sigil of Warding or mchimba's ritual bandages
edict would probably still be better but the total would be ridicilious
mortal brook
double use wouldnt work
sick sentinel
ye you're right :P, got a bit to excited about its potential and didn't take that into account
deep folio
devastator or booming voice guys ive always gone for booming but im looking at logs of raid fights and see a lot using devastator
ionic fern
For ST damage Devastator is slightly better.
deep folio
sorry for all the questions guys lol but should i be going for one Bastion of Might and one Deafening crash
ionic fern
For what?
1xDC is pretty much a "must-have" for most scenarios due to how strong it is.
BoM is also really strong due to how often we have Avatar up.
For m+ especially you wanna get 3xBoM for example.
deep folio
ok great ive got the 3 for m+ and the dc but is it a viable set up for raid also?
ionic fern
Yes it is. 🙂
If you want to push for more DPS you might want to sim yourself in raidbots.com to see what comes up on top.
deep folio
ty mate 🙂
craggy harness
Also, that last equipment set name
somber sky
I have 9 item sets from last tier based on the bosses and/or m+ weeks
I literally have a set called healslut fury which has a crap load of self heling
mortal brook
naz. m+. but now i dont have naz.
craggy harness
legion was a bit worse
somber sky
but actually tho. torment does about 3M damage this week on a +9 if pulls are proper
craggy harness
iirc for set names
somber sky
dude I tried running floorpov's leech build. went 1 bloodsport, lucid major and i had a 5% leech corruption pants
with strength of the warden rank 1, i did so much self heal that the healer barely healed me on bossfights
mortal brook
what about the rest of the dungeon
undone sun
i would have thought that would shine more on trash 🤔
ionic fern
Big AoE pulls with Lucid Major .
somber sky
i used it on CD and I was always double pulling
very very sustainy
I practiced so much tanking during the islands farm
no joke, it wasn't fun but it kinda paid off >.>
ionic fern
I played Lucid last season for some funs and jokes. 🤷
somber sky
sphere big pog next week?
sick sentinel
Sphere is always pog
somber sky
I'm kinda scared for it tho >.>
somber sky
but hooman >.>
marble cipher
engi helm random bleed remove proc, that works too right? Though obviously not really reliable
somber sky
I'm thinking of trying barrage
sick sentinel
barrage is best aoe trait
craggy harness
does sphere unlock rank 2 right away if i get rank 1 and have 10k honor?
craggy harness
cool, ty. guess i need to run a pvp islands finally
sick sentinel
sphere is probably best for every week
not just necrotic
perm haste proc and allows for easier kiting
marble cipher
would anyone use it as major over VoP for necro weeks? Or is that overkill?
ionic fern
Never had issues with necrotic unless something goes horribly wrong. o.o
Just keep an eye on the stacks and start kiting at a decent time.
sick sentinel
by leech build they just mean lucid major
it's a setup that requires a lot of minmaxing and is most of the time useless
unless you are pushing world first keys
undone sun
this is what happens when you let leech run loose @ionic fern
ionic fern
Smack that leech.
undone sun
smh
mortal brook
$report
clever yacht
Ok can someone link me a toon a can copy
ionic fern
@clever yacht
undone sun
that's easy to do
undone sun
warden has a command
gilded tendonBOT
fuk u @mortal brook
sick sentinel
logs aren't going to do anything
mortal brook
not since reaping
gilded tendonBOT
fuk u @ionic fern
undone sun
no u
strong forum
2x bom 1x Ms 1x dc 1x rng 1x bfi boi here now
modern brook
Ahhh yes ilvl man
strong forum
Got me that vexiona chest and engi helm
strong forum
Ah yes
ionic fern
👀
strong forum
I too like to pay 2mil for a shield I'll replace in 3 days
ionic fern
Wat.
strong forum
Ain't worth it for me
2mil for a low ilvl shield nuh-uh, I can get EV somewhere else
Id have to do so many fucking keys to get 2mil gold, or literally spend 200 euro
mortal brook
kinda annoying the first shield is on 10th boss tho. aside from the boe thatll never be at a reasonable price
sick sentinel
9th boss*?
I'm just going to bank on my weekly chest to get it
and just spend residuum for mythic level gear
because no way in hell I'm waiting until the last few bosses to get a shile
shield*
mortal brook
ilgy gonna be 10th yeah? maybe not
tame garden
You could choose to do him 6th 🙂
mortal brook
lord knows he'll be less of a wall for my guild than dark inquis
mortal brook
it has to be not that hard for your whole team tho
tame garden
😂
mortal brook
and you have that one guy
you know which one
cant move his character good
he's the wall
he's the guy that got you stuck on opulence too
except now instead of killing himself, he kills everyone
mortal brook
right
undone sun
🙃
mortal brook
'run the debuff out'
'if you get ported, take a second before moving to assess the situation'
'grab your gems'
tame garden
:unbearable:
ionic fern
deep folio
anyone know if the red punchcard off of machinist drops in m+?
mortal brook
havent seen it from 17 workshops so far
deep folio
great and ive done 3 so far lol
mortal brook
dont think any punchcard is
deep folio
that sucks
tame garden
17 workshops
marble cipher
@mortal brook 17 workshops?! why?
tame garden
You just camping lfg for workshops?
mortal brook
easiest no brain dungeon for sure
fastest with bolster
idc what slot the EV is on, i just want EV
mortal brook
nice
strong forum
My fastest was temple, the only one we thought through so far
And only one I timed this week
tame garden
O I just meant for the 6 spam
marble cipher
I've only ran 6's, and one 15
tame garden
I've only done a few 10s for awakened
strong forum
Done temple 15 in time
Then workshop 16
tame garden
Doing a 16 underrot tonight
strong forum
That's about what I did this week
marble cipher
the 15 was only 25m over time though, Temple key, not toooo bad for the first time that I've seen Awakened 😄
tame garden
Hoping to time it
sick sentinel
what
strong forum
Temple is so dumbfuck easy on fort its amazing
sick sentinel
Our first time going into temple, 15
chested it with 3 minutes on clock
lol
it's piss easy
tame garden
Awakened is bis
strong forum
Yup
tame garden
My no rogue comp feels so much better
strong forum
Same
sick sentinel
awakened allows for skipping, huge pulls not working about tides/ infested nor reaping into packs
so it's just pull huge
marble cipher
you're talking to a group that just did 10's last season, so I would appreciate it not to feel like I'm an awful player since everything is so "piss easy" 😉
sick sentinel
and skip
tame garden
We sacked someone to pull mid pack away and 4manned the pillar lul
strong forum
Ye same
sick sentinel
all you have to do it
strong forum
We sent out rogue to pull the group away
Then vanish
But apparently you can get in if you stand perfectly
Like giga perfectly
sick sentinel
?
tame garden
Too risky for my pepega group
sick sentinel
U just use an old portal and put it in mid
...
so he can go in still
with an old portal..
strong forum
?
tame garden
Ye he joined after he died
Was alt weekly he was like 410 warlock lol
Didnt make much of a difference
tame garden
Well on non bolster I'd just kill the pack
strong forum
And have the other one join from another portal
strong forum
After he died
tame garden
But bolster ruins it
sick sentinel
You knock out all 3 portals instantly
tame garden
It's good count
sick sentinel
Left -> right -> middle
tame garden
Maybe not on fort
tame garden
Ya u just do volkaal pillar with boss
strong forum
Ye
sick sentinel
who's the slime guy
tame garden
Volkaal pillar is blob this week ya
sick sentinel
kk ye making sure
tame garden
Corrupted obelisk
sick sentinel
You can spell reflect caster
strong forum
Middle is always Tank Buster
tame garden
So u just never do that pillar
sick sentinel
and you only need 2 melee interrupts
tame garden
Nice
strong forum
I know
sick sentinel
the hardest guy
ionic fern
👀
sick sentinel
is fear guy
marble cipher
do you facetank the buster?
sick sentinel
yes
marble cipher
or leap
strong forum
Well the slam kinda slaps, halfs me on 15
marble cipher
with nothing up?
tame garden
Prob kite him on higher keys
sick sentinel
you can do it with nothing up
ionic fern
Only does like..400k..amiright?
sick sentinel
it's magic damage
strong forum
Physical ye
marble cipher
k
ionic fern
Well, on a +16 it did 480k.
sick sentinel
I tried bop
ionic fern
👀
sick sentinel
you still get smashed
tame garden
Its reduced by armor
strong forum
Yes, you absolutely can't avoid it
tame garden
So physical
ionic fern
Tbh i've just started kiting it. 🤷
strong forum
HOWEVER if you kite him
marble cipher
What's the best way to handle the bleed adds though? They almost fucked me up bigtime
(on whatever boss that is)
strong forum
Kite the bleed adds
strong forum
They can be CCd
marble cipher
my default comp is prot/fury/beastmastery/ret/mistweaver, that's what we have to roll with, so, no mass root sadly...
sick sentinel
just have a ret bop you
marble cipher
(yes, fucked up comp, but, it's all I have)
sick sentinel
lol
sick sentinel
and face tank the bitch
strong forum
Just clap a bit, then kite
marble cipher
k
strong forum
The bitch does nothing
marble cipher
yeah, I got my bop macro keybound for necro weeks anyway
sick sentinel
hpal can too
strong forum
Soon it's reset, he can buy 445 glimmers
Easily
Better than going for bad 460s tbh
marble cipher
ours went from HPal to MW....
Sadly
formal grail
can you already get residuum or not
marble cipher
But, we just play what we like, and try to make the best of it
strong forum
Next reset yes
strong forum
Or well, if you did get pieces from new raid
Those award residuum too
But next reset is full on loot + residuum gains from chest
sick sentinel
don't you mean this reset?
sick sentinel
Yes I know that but he said next as in "The next after this one"
sick sentinel
This reset != next reset
strong forum
I meant the upcoming reset
This reset idk, could also imply the one that's happened already
🤷♂️
tame garden
Lmao
strong forum
Yeah idk chief
tame garden
That's just English for ya
tame garden
Very cool
strong forum
If you think about it
The word 'next'
Is kinda weird
Isnt it
Like the entirety about it
sick sentinel
w0t
sharp night
many people don't use this to mean upcoming either
sick sentinel
You can't look at it literally
sharp night
saying "this tuesday" can also mean the tuesday of the current week even if it's past tuesday
strong forum
Like what does next derive from
There's no other word like it
Is there
Sometimes words fascinate me
tame garden
Stay real prot chat
sick sentinel
Statistically speaking in certain areas, more people use this meaning upcoming rather than next which means this next item after the first one.
Bro
as is past tense and future tense with next
Why don't prot warriors have selling healing
But druids and dks do
because they odnt need it
tame garden
Because they take the least damage
sick sentinel
Like tf
sick sentinel
We literally take the lowest amount of damage
tame garden
Give prot self healing and you'll just bring 4 dps
sick sentinel
it would be the legion dk of bfa
if it had selfhealing
What about mitigating magic damage
strong forum
Nobody has that
sick sentinel
literally nobody has that
tame garden
Ignore pain, spell reflect, shield wall, last stand
ebon hound
Demo Shout
marble cipher
but, is awesome though
tame garden
Magic damage is always predictable
sick sentinel
Well yes
tame garden
6s is more than enough
strong forum
The philosophy of warrior is the reduction of incoming damage.
The philosophy of other tanks is to reduce incoming dmg less than warrior, and make up said loss with healing.
sick sentinel
Hits like a truck
strong forum
That's all there is to it
sick sentinel
then use something there?
I do
warrior is proactive tanking
Demoralizing shout and spell reflect
Mitigate like 40% damage
use shield and call for an external
shield wall*
if you need
tame garden
Every tank gets blasted by him
sick sentinel
You'll never be a good tank if you don't know how to communciate
strong forum
Like if you're dying, it's most likely a player fault, be it yours or healer.
Not a class thing
tame garden
Theres your problem
strong forum
Shield wall is not a last resort
sick sentinel
you use shield wall
tame garden
Use your fucking cooldowns
strong forum
If you're dying because you didn't use Shield wall, you shoulda used shield wall.
sick sentinel
I never said I couldn't tank him without shield wall
strong forum
Don't you think
sick sentinel
Doesn't matter
use shield wall
Stop complaining if you don't even use your cds right
I like to save it in case the other tank dies so that I can actually survive a 3rd eye beam
stop banking on the other tank dying
strong forum
If you know you will take a shitton of dmg. You use it
sick sentinel
if he dies
Then it's going to be a wipe probably
stop banking on his death
He dies then I die then whole raid dies
and use it for your own sake
tame garden
That's a yikes dynamic my dude
strong forum
^
tame garden
Are you a guild
strong forum
Don't be rude guys
sick sentinel
Not in a guild, Been in to many that cause drama
tame garden
Anyways you cant just hold your cds for in case your cotank dies. At least not when you're in week 1 heroic
sick sentinel
Also shield wall has a 3 min cooldown, not gonna just use it for whenever
strong forum
The thing about prot warri is to use all CDs, which make us as strong as we is because of so many short cooldown CDs.
It's 2min
If you actively play
strong forum
Am
sick sentinel
Read a guide
strong forum
My guy
tame garden
Its 4 minutes reduced by anger management
rigid sinew
pretty sure its base is 4
strong forum
It's base 4
sick sentinel
it's cut in half
sick sentinel
you can get it every 2 minutes
tame garden
Warrior relies on chaining cds and burning through rage to get them back
strong forum
(unless you're not using the correct talents)
If not
Then you should really read the icy veins guide
sick sentinel
Pretty sure I am
tame garden
If you're holding your CDs then you're wasting your last row talent
strong forum
The strength of warri are the CDs
In a raid scenario
Coupled with high physical midigation
sick sentinel
Ok but for example, during the ill'gnoth fight I can literally survive me and the other tank rotation without having to use shield wall
Not using it
Isn't the end of the world
strong forum
That's fine
sick sentinel
Unless I really need to
drowsy veldt
What tribks should I run out of... 450 vial, 460 wrathion and 445 vers one from turtles
strong forum
And thats perfectly fine
If you're not dying, and risking your raid
You don't have to use it
But it's recommended to ease up parts
sick sentinel
That's what I'm trying to say
strong forum
Well you insinuated that you are having trouble
And our first clue was you saying you're saving SW
But if everything is fine, what are we even talking about :)
strong forum
Yes
Well
If you want self healing play VDH or Bear :)
They're strong too
Or pally
tame garden
Love the no bdk recommendation
strong forum
But they will take more dmg
broken isle
people luv that self healing
strong forum
I love me vdh pulling 150k+ hps in m+ during meta
But outside
MonkaS
BTW in the teme 15 I played glut vdh + td r3
Boi
I had some juicy damage numbers
broken isle
BDK was a popular tank in Legion for its absurd self healing, and now ProtWarr is the popular tank even with no self healing
sick sentinel
How good is the warden essence on prot?
strong forum
I beat a combusting mage on a 5 pack
tame garden
Trash
strong forum
Trash
broken isle
Trash
sick sentinel
Nice
tame garden
Use formless void minor if you need corruption resist
gaunt dawn
That's not why people wanted bdk in legion
@broken isle
It gave group wide leech on short cd
broken isle
that too, but its self-healing wasn't a non-factor either
gaunt dawn
It was a non factor
scarlet flare
BDK literally enabled a MDI team to run 4 dps in legion
tame garden
Just pull entire dungeon then kite to entrance
narrow oar
Is bastion of might or brace for impact typically better for dungeons?
sweet summit
BoM
strong forum
Bastion
crystal dirge
do you guys usually take elemental whirl over blood siphon or?
not sure about proc rates
vapid ibex
what bosses are bonus roll worthy? wrathion?
strong forum
Wrathion is a really good bonus roll yes
vapid ibex
worth to kill him over and over for trinket/weapon?
strong forum
Idk, I wouldn't take either myrinä
Everything flovust
All 3 are bis
Trinket, weapon and the armor
vapid ibex
should i use all 7 rolls lol
vapid ibex
yeah my guilds not mythic ready yet
strong forum
Then prolly some on good azerite / shield bosses and nzoth
vapid ibex
i got the shoulders from skitra but i know its not bis but good enough for now
strong forum
Ye it's smth
vapid ibex
worth using a token for normal nzoth? or just save rolls for heroic?
tame garden
Def dont roll normal
warm plinth
I’ll roll whatever I want Speg 
tame garden
you dont even raid
grand spruce
Is the 470 alchemist stone worth crafting for prot?
sweet summit
warden is not good
trinkets like rezan and block are solid options
jes' howler also works
strong forum
The alchemist stone is a solid choice
warm plinth
You're a solid choice
strong forum
Also for the increased potion value given that we don't get new pots but our HP pool will increase drastically
marsh silo
So wrathion trinket is good?
tame garden
Yes haste good
strong forum
It's 70%+ uptime
lucid dew
the guides were saying wraithon trinket not great
is eye better than wraiton?
also do you think a lot of people will end up using a torment in a jar for mythic +?
oh they are buff wraiton trinket
manic scaffold
Can i keep farming mythic plus king mechagon for the trinket
I need 3 more sprockets
mortal brook
Yes @manic scaffold
limber pagoda
What the trinket off of king mechagon?! I got the trinket that gives you 4 stacks of plate? Is that the one?
tame garden
I assume he means vision essence not trinket
limber pagoda
Oh!
limber pagoda
While raiding in heroic, I was trying it out and it works good but I’m thinking about swapping it out for the undying shield. It seems like warrior takes way too much magic damage! Had to spec into ignore pain build to survive? Anyone have good ideas?
Also, imma stack stam to help with magic damage! Like I go from 100 to 30 in one cast! I’m stacking haste vers right now.
manic scaffold
Yeah the essence for rank 3 ty
warm plinth
You should be prioritizing item level regardless (which means more stam). But there's no such thing as an "ignore pain build"
Not a viable one anyway
limber pagoda
Like stack 3 blood spore and never surrender and stack stam to buff the ignore pain buff.
warm plinth
If you're dying to something that does magic damage, then you either need better healers or you need to use your cooldowns better
compact matrix
Sigil trinket helps a lot with magic damage.
limber pagoda
Stam is there to help with the magic damage so the healer can at least have time to top me off! So instead of going from 100 to 30. With the stam I’ll go from 100 to maybe 40 or 50
limber pagoda
Humm......
compact matrix
What abilities specifically are giving you trouble?
tame garden
If you have more stam you still take the same amount of damage and require same healing to be topped off
limber pagoda
I was dying to fury of nyzoth fight! After getting 3 de buff and then the eye adds beam seem to drop me. But after I swap I was able to survive it.
Well right now I’m 451 ilvl.
sick sentinel
Fury of nzoth hits hard but like Nike said it is all predictable. It is likely that you are using your cds incorrectly or it could also be a healing problem. Do you have logs we can look at
warm plinth
Which debuff is that
tame garden
Prob black scar?
warm plinth
Black Scar is deflectable
limber pagoda
Yea seems that they were not able to top me off after the boss swap!
warm plinth
You can use SR for like every other one I think and not even get the debuff, if it's the same fight they were talking about last night
limber pagoda
So when I swap my traits I was able to live long enough for them to top me off!
tame garden
If you have logs ppl can give you better advice
warm plinth
sick sentinel
Black scar is 100% deflectable but I will admit it can get hairy
limber pagoda
Oh the debuff is SP! Good to know! Maybe this will help!
sick sentinel
And it sounds like you may also not be blocking mandible slam if you are really taking that much damage
limber pagoda
Maybe that might be the case too! Ganna try these tips for next weeks fight!
Where do I go to find that you posted Ghash
warm plinth
limber pagoda
Thanks!!
warm plinth
I think the word you were looking for is literate hawgz
warm plinth
You right
still flame
im sure this has been asked, but what do you have to complete to go from Rank 6 Cloak to Rank 7?
im seeing conflicting info
tame garden
Medium side area
warm plinth
They're called corrupted areas on the map
still flame
It says I need 2 pages. I have 0
warm plinth
Oh, 6 to 7
analog swift
Two lost areas
warm plinth
6 to 7 requires two corrupted areas
vapid ibex
is ineffable truth good corruption if i only have void ritual? lol
still flame
....
still flame
got it
warm plinth
So for this week you need to do Trade District and Dwarven District
Next week would be Valley of Spirits and The Drag
For 6>7
still flame
ok