protection

[lucid dew]

rank 2

ya i would be scared they would buff

can profession gear corrupt?

[oblique garnet]

No

[novel agate]

wait until patchnotes this week. they most likely will do a pass on corruptions after having a week of raid done now

[lucid dew]

yea thats true

good point

[cold cosmos]

Agreed, I'm holding onto every corrupted everything while mass tuning is happening

[oblique garnet]

Also as it comes to playing with corruption anything above 40 is kinda iffy on tanks atm but that will change when you get more gear and become stronger

[lucid dew]

thats true

[oblique garnet]

In like +6 +10 keys it makes no difference

[lucid dew]

corrupt resist will go way up

[cold cosmos]

I tried 120 corruption for some WQing for giggles just to see how bad it was when the Thing clobbered me. That was fun

[oblique garnet]

But i did few keys at like 68 or 75 corruption and the thing from beyond clapped me for 70% if my health

[left hatch]

eh corruption resistance isn't gonna skyrocket

cloak lvl 15 is 50 resistance

+10 for formless void

[lucid dew]

it can go to 125

i heard

after 15

you can still sc ale the resistance

[left hatch]

yah but thats at +3 roccuption a week

itll be a long time before you get that high

[lucid dew]

true

[oblique garnet]

Meant as in when you get more gear i.e better shield higher ilvl so the trash doesnt clap you as much

[left hatch]

supposedly the damage scales with your ilvl

or max health

but that was also a claim made on ptr and I havn't bothered to test it on live

if you hover just above 40 it does like 20% of your health when he hugs you

which is fine.. just treat it as a semi-avoidable pre-change quaking 😄

[errant ledge]

Is the prot guide up to date for azerite essences? Its recommending heart of darkness over iron fortress. But its displaying 144 secondary stats in the guide, and only 80 in game.

[oblique garnet]

Wowhead or icyveins?

And mythic or heroic piece

[left hatch]

Icy, its up to date

[errant ledge]

The mythic piece says 84 secondary stats

I have the HC shoulders

[left hatch]

at equivilant ilvl itll be better than IF

[errant ledge]

I was refering to icyveins

[left hatch]

the hover over tooltip thing is pulling off Wowdb which hasn't updated the piece

[errant ledge]

With the new spreadsheet that was posted explaining how we have been hit pretty hard as tanks until our ilvl gets back up would suggest block woudl be more important then 80 secondary, especially when im consistantly floating around almost 70% haste

80 mastery/vers wouldnt outweigh over 800 block from IF i would think

Is their a link to the spreadsheets/sims the author does for these?

I would just like to see more info backing this up

[left hatch]

you'd have to ask Mwahi

[oblique garnet]

For defensive you are correct but for damage hod would be better

[left hatch]

and theres no such thing as sims for defensive either

[errant ledge]

Yes, that would make sense

[left hatch]

so he couldn't show you those lul

[errant ledge]

Im aware, its impossible to accurately sim tanks

Iv been preaching this for years 😛 other tanks dont get it

[left hatch]

i mean you just asked to see sims

[errant ledge]

Was just curious where his info came from was all

[left hatch]

so

[errant ledge]

Thanks for the help 🙂

[left hatch]

(the other thing of note is that IF is listed as better for M+ anyway)

which you don't really need any more defensives for raid rn

[oblique garnet]

Iirc @ionic fern wrote the guide from sort of more offensive orientation than the previous writer

[left hatch]

yeh, also didn't read to the bottom of hte page, only lists HoD as better for raiding

and IF tops it in M+

which makes more sense

[errant ledge]

If he wrote it from a offensive perspective why wouldnt he have undulating tides on their somewhere? Its not listed anywhere on there and its our top DPS trait on bloodmallet. That dosnt make sense either 😛

[left hatch]

more offensive

so balancing decent output without tossing out too much survivability

also gotta be careful with Undulating Tides because (afaik) it sims expecting you to always remain above 50%

for the full benefit

which realistically never happens

i think the true Bis ST dps setup is 3x BFI and 3x RF

[sick sentinel]

Not really

RF/Swirling sands. RF/Rezans.

Will do more than the bfi with rf

[left hatch]

the rezans pieece yeh, but swirling sands is simming much lower for me personally

bloodmallet is a guideline, not the be all end all

[sick sentinel]

ah swirling sands sims like 1k higher for me

because it has OP

[left hatch]

itll be diff for diff ppl

its probably lower cause i already have 2k crit

[sick sentinel]

that should help it

as more crit extends swirling sands

maybe you're at a breakpoint

[left hatch]

in theory idk might just be devaluing it

[sick sentinel]

don't know

[left hatch]

also had butchers block on

so thats likely the case

[sick sentinel]

don't have coral/ink?

[left hatch]

ink yes no coral ):

[sick sentinel]

I think back in EP, with benthic not being at 425 I simmed around 39.1k?

I believe

and that was without 445 inkpod too

[left hatch]

need that 2 stack of tier 2 EV

break 50k st sims easy

[sick sentinel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2dPL5CjUvXMfv1rAjwzCmF

this is what I sim at without an actual good corruption piece

funny how my 415 is simming higher than a 430 socket and 450

because of my OPs

The RF/BFI piece sims so much lower

lol

than my shoulder

[left hatch]

also have a lot less crit than me ):

rotten luck with all the verse pieces

[vocal flame]

hi all! Is the 410 Pocket-Sized Computation Device worth keeping over a 430 Anicent Tuskarr Sea charm trinket with a socket? I do have the Haste card that grants me 1179 haste for 12 seconds and the other card which is 138 haste plus 56 crit

[sick sentinel]

sim it

[left hatch]

defensively the Mechagon trinket is better

[vocal flame]

the haste card seems to proc alot too

yeah thats what i was thinking

[left hatch]

dps you'll have to sim

whats your other trinket?

[mighty gulch]

crit mastery or haste vers ring (same ilvl)

(mythic plus)

[left hatch]

haste verse

mastery isn't bad but....

the more BoM you have the more devalued it becomes

[vocal flame]

its a Galvanic Turbo-Charger 425 with 453 str and my attacks have a ch ance to increase haste by 297 every two seconds

[mighty gulch]

i have 3 bom

[vocal flame]

sometimes th ey both proc and its like im on constant bloodlust lol

[limpid pawn]

just got heroic searing flames 1h from first boss

is that not good?

[left hatch]

its fine if you don't have anything else

4-5% of your dmg overall in M+

[limpid pawn]

i have 430 mind flay tentacle boots, with 66 corrouption

[left hatch]

havnt heard anything about mind flay for us

id sim it

[limpid pawn]

it seems like not the best but decent

the mind flay thing

for single target

[true plover]

They severely reduced the proc on it

Still does a lot of dmg but it spawns way less often

[limpid pawn]

should i be cleansing the searing flames

i feel like for m+ it may be good

[left hatch]

like i said, sim yourself with each

if raid is your priority go with ST patchwerk

if M+ is your prio go with hectic add cleave

[west galleon]

add cleave isn't how m+ works

[left hatch]

its the closest approximation

since dungeon slice is still bad

[sick sentinel]

closest thing you're going to get to gear relativity to aoe is like 5 target sim at 1:30 /2 / 3 minute times

[left hatch]

but M+ isn't all aoe

its high mobility, downtime and st to consider

[sick sentinel]

You don't sim M+

you sim your relation to gear

for aoe vs st

and then use logic to defer what's better

[west galleon]

hectic add cleave is still

really bad

for m+ that is

[sick sentinel]

Isn’t the whole purpose to just sim what performs higher numbers in m+ with the understanding that the dps is not accurate

I don’t care if it sims 40k dps but if I put on a new piece and it sims 42 it’s obv better

[left hatch]

hes saying to sim for AOE and sim for ST

and based on whats a bigger difference go with that

more work but more accurate

[sick sentinel]

Huh I never had any issue just using Dslice for aoe sim and just using logic to make sense of what gear is better

[left hatch]

Dslice is really bad

[sick sentinel]

Everything but patchwork is bad

Is it bad because the numbers aren’t reflective of actual instance damage?

[cosmic coral]

is lucid dreams decent as a minor or can i change it to strength of the warden

[mystic yew]

Are any of the 8.3 essences worth using for prot?

[sick sentinel]

Lucid dreams is great for a minor

if it's rank 3

[left hatch]

why would you want to c hange to strenght lul

[sick sentinel]

Because I obviously don’t expect it to be accurate, but I can base my gear choices on what sims higher in those situations

[cosmic coral]

Im running vision major, c&s, aegis of the deep and lucid as minors

[sick sentinel]

that's fine

do you have sphere?

[cosmic coral]

uh no, but i could get it

[sick sentinel]

because perosnally, even at rank 1. I'd swap out aegis with sphere

[left hatch]

the only new essence worth mention is Formless Void

otherwise go with the usual lineup

[cosmic coral]

i only know vision major, idk the usual lineup

[sick sentinel]

what you said

[left hatch]

Lucid, Sphere, Aegis, CnS, sometimes but rarely null

[sick sentinel]

Sphere gives you like 345 haste PERM

or w/e our neck level is at

[cosmic coral]

im gettting rank 3 atm , i have lots of marks

[sick sentinel]

ye that makes it so they move slower and you run faster

[left hatch]

rank 3 is just free speed

[sick sentinel]

allows for better kiting

[cosmic coral]

is it bad to be above 40 corruption as prot or is it eh

for running 6's

so i dont think ill be in that much danger

[sick sentinel]

40 is fine

[left hatch]

for 6's its fine

[sick sentinel]

I used 40 in 15s

and it was fine

[left hatch]

the thing is like a 20% hit if it hits you

and you can usually kite away

[sick sentinel]

more like 40/45%

lol

depends on teh corruption level I guess

[cosmic coral]

i prolly wont ever be tanking anything above a 10 cuz im bad at tanking but ty anyhow 😄

[left hatch]

at 48 it hits for 35% of health

so yah i was a bit low

but still not the end of the world

[cosmic coral]

so im going atm, vision major, sphere , c&s and lucid minors

sound good?

[analog radish]

Hey, I got a corrupted shield BoE, 460 with a 2% to crit damage and healing corruption for +10 corruption. Is it worth keeping if my guild is killing Ilyg'noth heroic every week or should I flip it? (don't know how to post screen caps)

[left hatch]

the crit damage one is probably one of the worst corruption rolls

and you don't (and won't) need corruption on every piece

so if you have other corruptions cleanse it

if not, ig keep it on there till you get better

[analog radish]

I don't have any other corruptions on my prot gear but I'm planning to coin for Faralos. With rank 7 cloak it will be less than 20 corruption total

13 exactly

[left hatch]

keep for now then

[analog radish]

What's your opinion on Faralos?

[left hatch]

its ok

nothing special

im cleansing mine the second i get a second EV

[analog radish]

Aight, thanks

[sullen valve]

Needs some help playing prot warrior? Try out https://wowanalyzer.com/

[west galleon]

[cold cosmos]

Someday I will manage to hit Thunderclap enough for WoWAnalyzer to not yell at me

[craggy harness]

Edit the DOM after the HTML is complete

That'll solve it.

[cold cosmos]

Get a 99th percentile parse Try to cast Thunder Clap more often. Casting Thunder Clap regularly is very important for performing well.

[craggy harness]

A prot tank tried wrathion hc with me my first time:

cough

[warm plinth]

Whew

[craggy harness]

At least it was green?

Oh well, back to actually criticizing myself

[warm plinth]

[craggy harness]

I feel obligated to ask if you are relieved about something that happened to you @warm plinth

[warm plinth]

What do you mean

[craggy harness]

"Whew"

lol

[warm plinth]

I was reacting to how bad that % of blocked hits was.

[craggy harness]

Seeing the 0% SB now, I now realize that it was only because of Last Stand

[warm plinth]

🙃 Skilled warrior

[craggy harness]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-bam-what-talent-pole-dance-gif-15403329

So many gifs to choose from, I had to stop at one.

... looking deeper into wow analyzer

Do we get Fit Bit / Apple Health type awards

[west galleon]

rip her shoulder

[craggy harness]

"Distance Moved = 2000 yards... 7 days in a row, try for 3000!"

[west galleon]

that's a permanent injury

oof

[craggy harness]

there was a charity city event in canada, similar to amazing race

scavenger hunt across the city, and i volunteered

ended up referreeing at a pole dance studio

*disclaimer: did not attempt that

[grizzled glen]

is 15 the max reward for this week?

or is it a 10?

keep getting conficted answers

[fading palm]

+6

[grizzled glen]

for the mythic cache for tues

?

[fading palm]

ye

[west galleon]

no lol it's 15

[fading palm]

nop

[grizzled glen]

this is what i'm talking about lol

[west galleon]

i mean it's literally in blue posts that it's 15

not hard to find

[grizzled glen]

link? cause it is for me

[fading palm]

blue post saying that this week ur reward will be locked to 6

after that will be 156

15

[west galleon]

you literally

don't understand

the question

[fading palm]

no u dont get the answer

[warm plinth]

End of dungeon is capped at +6. The weekly cache on Tuesday is capped at +15.

[grizzled glen]

475 ilvl guaranteed corruption right

[west galleon]

yes

[grizzled glen]

ty

[west galleon]

unless trinket

[warm plinth]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/what-to-expect-in-visions-of-n’zoth-and-season-4/405981

[left hatch]

oof rekt

[distant crystal]

got 15s done on 6 toons this week O_O

my body is ready for tuesday

[left hatch]

8% Avoidance from haste on all 6 pieces

i feel it now

[distant crystal]

don't put that juju on me

[left hatch]

❤️

[limpid pawn]

what do you think of the azerite trait heart of darkness

i stacked it twice

[distant crystal]

it's aight

not terrible, not great

[limpid pawn]

my alternatives are iron fortress and braace for impact

[distant crystal]

3.6 roentgen

[left hatch]

i went IF for rn

cause 345 shield

and care more about M+ so IF>BFI at this point

[limpid pawn]

oh, i meant it's on two different pieces

so both of them have the heart of darkness trait, which i took over IF on one piece, and BFI on the other

i do have the required corruption on my boots, the tentacle blasting/flaying corruption tier 3

[void belfry]

So might be a wierd question, but how many of you only tank? Never tried it in end content but would like to try as i dps and heal both. But dont know how if tanking is fun. But now i realize its a subjective opinion ... xD

[south yarrow]

Aren't all opinions subjective?

[frosty holly]

All i can say is i like tanking and dsping

[mortal brook]

I've only tanked for 12 years. I'll swap between classes or dabble in an offspec but its my jam. The fun is on and off, mostly on

experiences will vary

my idea of fun is swooping down in WoD era ashran as a big bear and eating a 40 man premade. that's not fun for 40 other ppl

[void belfry]

would you say that protection warrior has fewer buttons to press then guardion or paladinM

Have left hand damage and would like to avoid spec with massive amount of buttons xD

[mortal brook]

nah man, prot war has a big kit with very high apm

if you're looking for smaller kit and more empty gcds, bdk is prob your best bet

[void belfry]

I see

hmm

[mortal brook]

dk offspecs are also low apm too, if you wanna diversify

older info, but relatively the same still

[void belfry]

I am scared of dks. WheneverI run with bdk i just feel like he will die each time

[mortal brook]

that's how they do, yeah 😄

[void belfry]

post the link if u can

[mortal brook]

a strong point for bdk if you have problems with your hand is that it is mechanically simple, and doesnt have that many procs/rng related stuff. gameplay-wise, you can play it right with little trouble

like tankadin, you basically live and breathe GC procs, and it can't really plan ahead as much

prot war, same for shield slam procs

[void belfry]

i do not mind if its higher in apm, but not many buttons. That way I can bind some on mouse and press them frequently

[mortal brook]

ah, mechanically simple but apm is np. I'd put bear near the top for sure

[low horizon]

what is the best way deal with spirit breaker as warrior

[mortal brook]

leap away

[low horizon]

is it block able

[mortal brook]

no

[low horizon]

ok so only thing i can do is leap and shield wall

[mortal brook]

I like treants for em

ive had my healer taunt juggle it with me while the dps burn it down as well 😄

[merry cave]

Quick question whats the best clear order for vexiona/raden/illgnoth

[mortal brook]

looks like vex, then ra-den, then ilgy

can confirm the ilgy last, only takes 1 baddie to wipe the raid

[void belfry]

so paladin or druid .... I guess druid has fewer buttons to press. Also I can be dmg or healer as well if i get bored

paladin same but druid can be range, maybe less movement so easier

God damn and I did not do the tower challange on druid so i dont have the skin 😦 Oh no

[mortal brook]

plenty of other bears to be :happybear:

heckin skyhold not letting happybear emotes in. eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @mortal brook

[royal flame]

why is psyche shredder showing as good for prot?

[short nest]

what essenzes should i pick for +6 spam max dps

[dark lark]

Vision major, conflict aegis and sphere for fatty pulls maybe?

Who cares about bolstering at +6

[zealous ore]

What are some good M+ trinkets?

[slim pier]

dunno

[zealous ore]

Unlucky

[dark lark]

Until you get higher ilvl, the EP tank trinkets were pretty meta

Urchin and edicts

Going into s4 it'll probably be the same as s2

Which was butcher block and vial

(some people hate vial though)

[zealous ore]

Any of the new raid trinkets worth grabbing?

Isn't vial pretty bad with 3 bom?

[dark lark]

Like I said, some people hate vial

I can see the Ra-den trinkets being decent

Rezan eye and some on use trinket will always be solid choices

[marble cipher]

I'm using rezan+jes, due to lack of others.
I have Urchin /edict, but lower ilvl and frankly it didn't seem to heal for a lot (urchin+rezan), or do they only work wonders when using both?

[hallow phoenix]

Urchin heals a lot when you're taking heavy damage constantly, which is generally not a thing to aim for

I've had dungeons where it heals 1200 overall and runs where is 3k overall

[manic scaffold]

do you guys like aegis of the deep

[strong forum]

aegis is good in dungeons where you can do big pulls

urchin needs high dmg intake to be worth it, the sweetspot is around 36k dtps

basically 10x of what it heals every 3 seconds is the perfect sweetspot for urchin efficiency

[hardy mesa]

Is briny barnacle that good? Bloodmallet has it as the 3rd best trinket for St and 4th best as AoE

[pearl sinew]

Does anyone know if cyclonic blast card is still a strong competitor for single target dps in Nyolothia?

[strong forum]

if you have nothing better cyclo can be used yes, Briny barnacle is also very good on ST

[sullen drift]

shield from mehagon is any good?

[warm plinth]

@sullen drift if it’s your highest ilevel, use it. Otherwise it’s nothing special and I’d use a different shield.

[pastel remnant]

i have 3 piece azerith 435 with bastion of might but i can have a 450 one but without bastion..should i take it or stay with 3 stack of bastion?

[hallow phoenix]

I'd go with 450

[warm plinth]

The only trait worth dropping ilevel for is the first Deafening Crash. Take ilevel in all other situations.

[hallow phoenix]

Right now rocking engi helm and it feels good to have it again. Just wish it had bastion, but 30% uptime on RNG is also nice

Plus bombs when I'm feeling stylish

[warm plinth]

Yeah RNG is nice

[wanton hedge]

what is atm best race for Horde as warriortank?

[sterile mantle]

None...Go alliance:)

[manic scaffold]

High mountain

Their passive versatility is good

[tardy basalt]

Vulpera is actually not bad for tanks

[sweet summit]

die furry die

[hallow phoenix]

I think undead males look the best in plate with sword and board

But I play troll cause they look good too

So one of those @wanton hedge

[sterile mantle]

Though I'd agree with that or Orc maybe for dps from what I've seen

[analog zinc]

+10 outer mechagon
I had no shock bots

[strong forum]

Ye on junkyard you can get some massive pulls going

[warm plinth]

Looks like that hunter needed a shock bot

[analog zinc]

looks like hunter needed to cast multi-shot a single time*

[strong forum]

Did 16 workshop, actually fairly doable if your heal doesn't Int last boss

[analog zinc]

but i wasn't pulling big at all

its just i do like 70-100k dps on 8 mob packs

& everyone would die around me so i got to have those big numbers wayyy longer than i should have

[hallow phoenix]

Was doing +9 junkyards and DPS were pulling 70k overall with buffs

Gonna be a good dungeon for mongo pulls

[marsh sierra]

what is everyone using for essences in the raid?

[analog zinc]

cruc for ST dps, vision for more defensive / aoe dmg benefit

couple situational essences like AUG & Null major

[rocky coyote]

what are my fellow alpha males hotbars looking like

[white hollow]

🙂

[distant crystal]

belf is da bes

who doesn't want mass dispel

[analog zinc]

belf good but i play so many belfs i just wanna have fun on my mag'har

[distant crystal]

obligatory:

[rocky coyote]

alpha males

what is your hotbar

[analog zinc]

yea gimme a min i'm logging in

[rocky coyote]

alpha as fuck

[analog zinc]

hotkeys

[rocky coyote]

much love

[analog zinc]

where i track my cds

[strong forum]

yikes

[distant crystal]

wtf

[strong forum]

sco level of UI right there

[analog zinc]

ye its based on sco's

[empty nacelle]

you mean world first ui? kek

[distant crystal]

idk i see prot warr abilities

that's not a world first ui

[strong forum]

world first carried UI

more like

[distant crystal]

[strong forum]

thats just a bad ui

nothing more nothing less

[analog zinc]

it works well for me

[strong forum]

ofc

every UI "works"

[analog zinc]

lemme find the god ui

[ionic fern]

Hei @errant ledge .
The reasoning i have for HoD over IF in raid scenarios comes mainly down to the fact that raids tend to have a decent mix of physical AND magical damage(usually up to the extent of 50/50). IF is a good trait, no arguing that, but it's only decent vs blockable damage which in the current raid tier is mostly melee abilities. You can check how much DR IF gives if you Make a copy from the spreadsheet in the pins and add to the "Block amount" + 900 (spoiler, it's about 2% so from 35->37%).
So the reason i put HoD over IF was due to the:
1)Damage pattern in the current raid (not everything is blockable, inc tank busters).
2)Magic damage heavy fights for which IF does nothing(vers/mastery do).
In physical/blockable damage scenarios IF will still pull ahead - that's why IF is ahead in m+ scenarios where majority (80%+) damage is blockable/physical.

[strong forum]

but theres smarter UI's to be had

with less bloat

[analog zinc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGrqbkFuims

[rocky coyote]

alpha ui

[strong forum]

ye dude

thats god tier

[analog zinc]

i dont really think my ui is bloated

i just have everything condensed into a square

meaning i have a blind spot, but i can play around that

[strong forum]

most of it doesnt need to be shown 24/7

is what i mean

most of it doesnt need to be full sized

[analog zinc]

ye but then i'd have to make weakauras for everything

i dont wanna do that when i play every class

[strong forum]

this is my full UI

literally everything you need

[rocky coyote]

how so small

[analog zinc]

ye

[strong forum]

weakauras

[rocky coyote]

we love weakauras

[analog zinc]

i just have everything organized into a block for every spec

so i dont have to fuck around with 500 WAs for all 36 specs

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

its a once a lifetime 1hr effort, i just like clean UIs

[hallow phoenix]

In wrath my ui was my health bar, boss timers, and the cool line addon

I think I had satrina buff frames and power text too

I might remake it

[rocky coyote]

can some 7 inch dick send me their mint weakauras looking cleaner than your moms clunge an hour before I arrive?

[hallow phoenix]

[rocky coyote]

[strong forum]

[distant crystal]

how are trinkets gonna work in weekly M+ cache

trinkets can't corrupt, weekly cache is guaranteed corrupt

[strong forum]

they just dont corrupt

[distant crystal]

yikes

[rocky coyote]

we love nomeratur he'd love to cop us that mint weakauras

[strong forum]

i can give you the basic thingy

https://pastebin.com/EyEUBHD9

[rocky coyote]

alpha as fuck

[warm plinth]

I'm a little late to the convo but @analog zinc Have you tried Afenar's WAs? He makes WAs for literally every spec and all of the ones I've tried are pretty solid. I changed out the rage bar on his prot one for a different one, and don't use the SB/IP tracker part (because they're itty bitty little bars at the bottom), but it's solid other than that.

They're very consistent too; all are set up pretty much the same

[dark lark]

Luxthos is nice too

[limpid pawn]

I just watched that video earlier

that hunter is clicking EVERYTHING wtf

and he's top dps lol

[warm plinth]

Oh shit, content, checking that out

Whew, that UI is uh, interesting

[high igloo]

Whats the talent set up for mythic +?

[warm plinth]

Whats the talent set up for mythic +?
@high igloo https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-spec-builds-talents

[glass bluff]

anyone know if you have 2 pieces of echoing void if it stacks?

[limpid pawn]

probably does

[hallow phoenix]

Test it for us!

[limpid pawn]

the azerite trait heart of darkness- how do I Know when it's active or not there's no buff lol

[sweet summit]

you know its active when you have more than 25 corruption after resistance

[limpid pawn]

i know i do have that required corruption level, I just want to see something represeinting how much extra stats I'm getting

[hallow phoenix]

The tooltip

x4

[glass bluff]

well good news

looks like they stack

[limpid pawn]

which tooltip?

[sweet summit]

the trait

and yes, the extra stats do stack

[limpid pawn]

im hovering over the trait and it doesn't show if it's giving me stats or anything

[hallow phoenix]

Chaitea is talking about echoing void

[sweet summit]

oh pog

[glass bluff]

415 echoing void ring is a 15% upgrade

[analog zinc]

all corruptions stack except the CDR

[hallow phoenix]

Brollikk if you have 25+ corruption, then you are gaining the extra stats that the tooltip says you get

Another test: unequip the azerite with heart of darkness and watch your secondaries change

[limpid pawn]

ok that confirmed it works ty

hm...

isn't heart of darkness insane? 81 of every secondary stat?

[storm fulcrum]

Hey there, just swapped from brew to prot for this patch, and I'm having a tiny bit of trouble figuring out how to start a pull. Once mobs are stacked and Shield Block is up there's no trouble whatsoever, but the pull is like... 50% of them I instant flop. If I have spare rage from the previous pull I just shield block during my charge, but for a fresh pull on 0 rage, how do you handle that?

[hallow phoenix]

Avatar + charge gives you enough rage to shield block

[storm fulcrum]

but I flop in the gcd of avatar

[hallow phoenix]

So precast avatar and then mid-charge cast sb

Or cast avatar while charging

Doesn't really matter

If you don't have avatar for the pull you can either pool some rage, or if that's not possible open with shockwave to give yourself time

Another fancy trick is to intercept an ally and then charge in and that should be enough rage with a tclap thrown in

[manic scaffold]

if i faction swap do i need to do the quest all over again

[storm fulcrum]

Hum maybe I should try to avatar charge and SB in the charge then

[analog zinc]

@storm fulcrum friendly Intercept to generate 15 rage, avatar to generate another 15, you can charge & open with shield block

@manic scaffold the cloak intro questline? Good question, i'd imagine no

[hallow phoenix]

That's like 50 rage city

[neat pebble]

Got the sams problem. Got Shieldblock and ignore pain up and i insta dropp

[analog zinc]

@storm fulcrum do you have any bastion of might traits? It makes you insanely tanky & gives an ignore pain when you use ava

[hallow phoenix]

If both are up and you're getting deleted then you are probably turning your back to the mobs

[analog zinc]

avatar does nothing defensively without bastion

[storm fulcrum]

I have 3x bastion. I'm talking about "I flop in 16-17-18" keys on the pull, though

[analog zinc]

i mean those are high keys rn

[hallow phoenix]

Well it increases your rage gen...

[analog zinc]

if you're undergeared you'll struggle

[storm fulcrum]

I'm not undergeared, I'm just new to the spec

[neat pebble]

Me too

[hallow phoenix]

You're undergeared

I promise

[analog zinc]

i wouldn't recommend going straight into 16-18s if you're new & undergeared lol

[storm fulcrum]

For instance most pulls I only manage to get SB up after the 1st melee

[neat pebble]

450?

[storm fulcrum]

that's bad

440 😄

[analog zinc]

440 very undergeared

[hallow phoenix]

450 is undergeared for 17s

[storm fulcrum]

Only the tank buster guy nukes me with one shot

[analog zinc]

compare it to season 3

[neat pebble]

I played a 15 tol today...was horrible

[analog zinc]

440 is like 410, would you invite someone 410 into +15s?

[storm fulcrum]

I did a +20 on S3 on the last week

[analog zinc]

i wouldn't even invite them to a 10

[storm fulcrum]

on 430 gear

[hallow phoenix]

S3 had the old k values

[storm fulcrum]

no issues, besides playstyle D:

Ye that's prolly, more parry, more armor reduction

not but like right now I'm getting the 1st melee hit without block

it's not a gear issue it's a "i play bad issue"

[analog zinc]

for context you should be around 465 for 15-18s

more like 460

like that's gonna be the norm in a bit

[storm fulcrum]

Ye next week I get a 475 azerite + 475 from chest + 4th minor

but if I start my pull without block, i'll still flop

[analog zinc]

how you getting 475 azerite?

oh wait engie helm

yea you'll defo fall over if you have no CDs or active mitigation up

that's why you friendly intercept / avatar / charge to generate rage to open a pull with SB before the melees come out

[neat pebble]

Nzoth hc gives

[storm fulcrum]

^ that was the tip i wanted

[limpid pawn]

does blacksmithing give anything good?

[analog zinc]

worst case is you can use greater rage prots or something

[hallow phoenix]

Belt and legs

With socket

[limpid pawn]

what ilevel?

[analog zinc]

470

[limpid pawn]

assuming i fnish collecting all the void stuff

[hallow phoenix]

Up to 470

[limpid pawn]

so belt and legs both guarnateed socket huh

[storm fulcrum]

2nd tip I want is ; on monk I have RJW up (passive aoe) / Keg (ranged aoe) so picking initial threat is a joke

[analog zinc]

yea its strong

[storm fulcrum]

but warrior?

[analog zinc]

but i seriously couldn't be fucked

[hallow phoenix]

Also gives keys for tol dagor

[analog zinc]

with grinding hundreds of expulsum

[storm fulcrum]

how is the initial threat picked up?

[analog zinc]

tclap

war has way better initial threat than monk

[hallow phoenix]

Warrior aoe threat blows most tanks out of the water

[storm fulcrum]

image I do a tripple pull in freehold?

once they are stacked sure I'm on 90k dps no way I loose even skittish

before they are stacked?

[neat pebble]

And warri dont got any selfheal like other classes 😥

[analog zinc]

how is this an issue on war & not monk

[hallow phoenix]

If your dps are going nuts on mobs you're not done pulling

[analog zinc]

RJW does nothing

[hallow phoenix]

That's not a class issue

[analog zinc]

you can keg smash every 7s

whereas war can clap every other GCD

& its an aoe around you

so you can more easily cast it while moving'

[storm fulcrum]

well idk maybe it's because I'm 10 ilvl below my dps

but if I try to combine 2 packs

all goes ham for 5-6 gcd then i finally have them all

[neat pebble]

Can i get a 100% uptime on ignore pain and shieldblock?

[storm fulcrum]

no

[analog zinc]

kinda

[hallow phoenix]

200% haste yes

[storm fulcrum]

except if the fight is 12s and you don't take damage 😄

[analog zinc]

you dont need 100% shield block uptime

you can do triple shield block (18) into last stand (33) into double shield block (45) into shield wall (53) into shield block (59)

literally a minute of super tankiness

[neat pebble]

I do sth wrong because im eating tons of dmg

[analog zinc]

find a way to last another 10s or so & you got another last stand back

[hallow phoenix]

Healer CD :)

[limpid pawn]

and when you don't have it up, sometimes demo shout with IP spam or avatar alone will get you to live

[neat pebble]

And ignore pain? Need 100%?

Like stagfer on monk

[strong forum]

na

ignore pain uptime isnt relevant either

but my average in dungeons is 60%

[analog zinc]

just try not to overlap it

[strong forum]

if you ABSOLUTELY want a number

[analog zinc]

expect to do 30k~ hps if you're fully utilizing your CDs & every IP is getting fully consumed

[storm fulcrum]

I think you dump rage in ignore pain if there's in non-blockable damage comming

[strong forum]

You can chain 3x SB with appropriate amount of haste.
After that you use Last stand to fill the CD downtime of Shield Block which should allow you to get 2 charges of SB again.
So it's "SB->SB->SB->LS->SB->SB"
(For general defensive rotation assuming pure blockable dmg)

You use Avatar and Demo shout on CD.

priority is SS>TC>Revenge>devastate for dmg.

Never cap rage, pump excess rage into IP, not into revenge.(unless you know better)
Don't empty your Rage Bar before needing to use SB.
If you know you will take heavy dmg use SW beforehand.

If you can't keep up SB or LS, fill the gap with shockwave / kiting ( if needed) / shieldwall
Or ask for an external.
%uptime on Shield block is relatively useless to look at, what matters is effective uptime.

thats the crash course

[storm fulcrum]

like zul

[analog zinc]

for pure magic dmg you dont use shield block, just IP

[storm fulcrum]

but then if there's mostly blockable damage you don't even ignore pain and you just dump rage in revenge, if you ever get a non-free one

else you dump rage in IP if you are going to overcap rage

[analog zinc]

i wouldn't use revenge over IP

unless the IP will be wasted

[strong forum]

even then

[analog zinc]

prolly safer to just cap IP

[strong forum]

IP is a rage dump

[analog zinc]

revenge does shit dmg

[storm fulcrum]

told agor crabs 1st pull, pure blockable damage

[hallow phoenix]

I always revenge over IP when I'm parsing

[strong forum]

you always wanna dump rage

[storm fulcrum]

why IP there? esp when under avatar?

[hallow phoenix]

Don't tell anyone

[analog zinc]

someone said a few weeks ago that Prot Warrior would be weaker if IP cost nothing & just had the 1s CD

[strong forum]

to not overcap Rage kazhan

[storm fulcrum]

"else you dump rage in IP if you are going to overcap rage" yes yes agreed

but you don't IP over revenge there?

[strong forum]

revenge depends on rotation

[warm plinth]

That’s probably true because you couldn’t prevent overcapping if IP didn’t cost anything

[strong forum]

and 9/10 revenge is free

[warm plinth]

So you’d lose out on CDR from AM due to wasted rage

[strong forum]

you want to cycle as much rage as possible

[storm fulcrum]

100% agree

[mystic ferry]

honestly in lowish keys its impossible not to ragecap

im refreshing full IPs ...

[strong forum]

thats just how it is

you DO NOT CARE about capping IP

IP is a RAGEDUMP

[warm plinth]

It’s not impossible. You can spam IP every second.

[strong forum]

^

[warm plinth]

Which should be about what your global is

With any haste at all

[mystic ferry]

yeah, theres just no point when low keys dont have enough damage

but yeah its what i do

[strong forum]

there is a point

you want

to

waste

rage

[full monolith]

Is Despair on Vex no longer reflectable?

[warm plinth]

You’re increasing your damage and survival by getting avatar and last stand and shield wall faster. There 100% is a point

And demo*

[strong forum]

IP 👏 is 👏 a 👏 ragedump 👏

[neat pebble]

So ip = magic sb=meele. Never use them togehter?

[strong forum]

you want to use both

[warm plinth]

False

[analog zinc]

what

[hallow phoenix]

Read what nom said

[analog zinc]

always use them together

[hallow phoenix]

Until it makes sense

[warm plinth]

Prioritize SB. Supplement/dump rage with IP

[strong forum]

You can chain 3x SB with appropriate amount of haste.
After that you use Last stand to fill the CD downtime of Shield Block which should allow you to get 2 charges of SB again.
So it's "SB->SB->SB->LS->SB->SB"
(For general defensive rotation assuming pure blockable dmg)

You use Avatar and Demo shout on CD.

priority is SS>TC>Revenge>devastate for dmg.

Never cap rage, pump excess rage into IP, not into revenge.(unless you know better)
Don't empty your Rage Bar before needing to use SB.
If you know you will take heavy dmg use SW beforehand.

If you can't keep up SB or LS, fill the gap with shockwave / kiting ( if needed) / shieldwall
Or ask for an external.
%uptime on Shield block is relatively useless to look at, what matters is effective uptime.

posting it again

[analog zinc]

unless its 100% magic damage, in which case only use shield block for dmg as it does nothing defensively

[strong forum]

read it

[warm plinth]

Don’t always use them together. That’s a misleading way to put that.

[hallow phoenix]

Shield block is your mitigation. IP is your resource dump

[strong forum]

Never cap rage, pump excess rage into IP, not into revenge.(unless you know better)
Don't empty your Rage Bar before needing to use SB.

[upper nest]

is rezan's+butcher's block a good combo for m+?

[strong forum]

yes very good

[limpid pawn]

460 torment in a jar?

[upper nest]

i saw tanks use the mechagon trinket and was kinda confused

[strong forum]

its decent

[warm plinth]

Lul

[limpid pawn]

445 vita charged titanshard?

[warm plinth]

Mecha trinket is just as bad as if not worse

[upper nest]

aight thx 😄

[strong forum]

mechagon trinket is BY FAR

the worst trinket in the game

[storm fulcrum]

By the way while I'm at asking questions, what are the stats we want for M+? I understand haste is really good for the SB SB SB LS SB SB SB (stun) SB (pray) defensive part, but then? Versa? Mastery? Crit? a mix of these 3 or there are some that actually shine out? (Versa or mastery? or crit for damage?)

[hallow phoenix]

The armor one?

[upper nest]

what about weapon enchant, force multiplier or navigation?

[hallow phoenix]

Force mult

And you want ilvl

[upper nest]

sure thx

[strong forum]

ilvl > haste > crit for m+

[hallow phoenix]

At equal ilvl do haste>crit>others

[strong forum]

ilvl > haste > versa for raid

[storm fulcrum]

Crit for M+ because of the damage?

[strong forum]

and parry

[storm fulcrum]

Oh damn str and crit increase parry

[upper nest]

what about rings though

[strong forum]

same

[upper nest]

i have 430 haste crit with socket but 450 with crit mastery

aight

[oblique garnet]

@shut summit On Nzoth when you reflect void lash on the tank tentacles does it reflect the entire thing or just one tick ?

[storm fulcrum]

For ring we prolly want the mechagon combo "3 spells + gain haste"?

[warm plinth]

😏

Yep, that's a very solid combo

Worth a little ilevel even

[oblique garnet]

Thank you @warm plinth 🙏

[strong forum]

kekw

[analog zinc]

reflects 1 tick

@oblique garnet

[strong forum]

atleast 1 tick

[warm plinth]

You're at least 1 tick

[analog zinc]

my weakaura only triggered & shown me the dmg reflected some of the time

[strong forum]

gross

[analog zinc]

i'm unsure if it always does dmg, but it will always reflect 1 tick

[oblique garnet]

Yeah just wasnt sure if i reflected the void lash or something else

[spiral thistle]

Im getting a lot of crit/vers/haste gear but im taking a big hit on mastery in general (im around 650 atm) would there be a point where socket/enchant mastery would be worth?

[strong forum]

nop

because BoM exists

its your LEAST desirable stat

[spiral thistle]

Awesome, thanks

[analog zinc]

balancing stats doesn't really matter for many tanks

[bronze quest]

What do we think about Surging vitality?

[analog zinc]

what that

[strong forum]

versa corruption proc

i mean, if you have nothing better sure

take it

but dmg procs are better

or haste for that matter

[formal grail]

just got the mecha trinket for tanking but idk, im using the computation device atm at 412 so its probs better

[warm plinth]

The Mecha trinket is trash

Like even at 445 I'm not sure I'd use it over a 412 overclock

[strong forum]

Even at 445 it's worse than a 370 wq trinket

What do you mean

It's by far the most impossible trinket

[oblique garnet]

Recal>Overlock

[warm plinth]

I just assumed he meant overclock when he said computation device :p

Trying to figure out how long I wanna hold on to mine

anyone know if crafted punchcards can still forge?

[left hatch]

they should be able to cause 'old content' but only up to 455

similar to how EP nad below can still forge up to 455

[warm plinth]

Yeah, figured as much. Wonder if Mecha M0 punchcards still forge

Since they can't corrupt anyway and that's the only place they drop

[left hatch]

hmmm maybe? but i think they disabled it for all the other baselines

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I'll probably just have to craft some and hope I get lucky

[left hatch]

despite them not being able to Corrupt they're considered part of s4 r someshit

[rigid shuttle]

So, I'm not sure what to use for m+/raid;
Helm of the putrid path (450) w/bastion, iron fort, and heed my call
or Second sight helm, 465; not sure what to put on it if i switch

[left hatch]

do you have a stack of DC already

[rigid shuttle]

yes

[left hatch]

100% second sight with Bastion, Heart of Darkness, UF and Resounding

[warm plinth]

I agree

[left hatch]

the only trait worth losing ilvl for is your first DC

(despite my lust for BoM)

and HoD isn't much worse than IF

[rigid shuttle]

fantastic; ty

[warm plinth]

Arguably for damage if the lower one had great traits and the higher one had shit across the board, you could use the lower one, but that's not the case here.

[left hatch]

yah

and UF is arguably tied for our best middile ring trait

with OP

so its a huge upgrade in every possible way

[polar kite]

Is this normal? +11 wcm Holy Pala with 20k hps. I felt squishy af.

[near ivy]

glimmer doing 1.6%

x

fucking

d

your hpal is dogshit

[left hatch]

Anima in your healing tho

thats a yikes

[polar kite]

I better took nullification

[left hatch]

thats another eh

[warm plinth]

I'm gonna assume that with that low of glimmer, they probably only have 1 glimmer trait

I'd love to see a log because it's probably not just your healer

[left hatch]

Anima is a filler major until you get VoP which you clearly have

[rigid sinew]

intimidating presence

[left hatch]

its fine if you use it on cd

just not as good as other options

[warm plinth]

Not even relevant in the scheme of things. And if nothing else it's doing some healing

What does your buff uptime look like, just out of curiosity

For overall

[left hatch]

its been a long time since iv looked at my own HPS meter (because its a bad metric for tankyness) but your ignore pain amount healed seems kinda high

are you delaying SB to use it

or have any stacks of Bloodsport

[oblique garnet]

@warm plinth AFAIK mechagon m0 or hardmode punchcards cannot forge anymore

[left hatch]

cause that'll also nuke your survivability even if it makes your HPS meter look good

[warm plinth]

Sad times. The good thing is I only really need a yellow so if crafted ones still can, then all hope is not lost

Since I already have a 445 recal

[oblique garnet]

[warm plinth]

Don't be mad Late. Be happy for me

[left hatch]

cause like yoru the pally seems bad

but just from that i see a number of problems with your own gameplay

and while you can't fix shitty pug healers

you can improve your own play (:

[polar kite]

yeah, I'd like to improve, so I can't change my pugs^^

[warm plinth]

He could not be bad though. Could just be unlucky getting glimmers 🤷

I mean, not super bad anyway

20k is probably a little low for an 11 temple but yeah

[polar kite]

it's waycrest

[warm plinth]

Oh, I could've sworn I saw temple somewhere

I just can't read

Don't mind me

Probably because I'm watching a temple on twitch atm

[left hatch]

like i said, are you ever delaying Shield Block in favor of IP?

cause you (almost) never want to do that

swapping out Anima entirely for VoP

[polar kite]

yeah, I often did, because of heavy magic damage

[left hatch]

the only time i can think of that thats worth doing

is last 2 bosses in ML

only really 'heavy' magic damage in WC is Coven boss

[rigid sinew]

zul

[left hatch]

and even that has melees

[polar kite]

yeah

[left hatch]

right zul too

[polar kite]

and the casting one before the tree man

[left hatch]

she still autos though

[warm plinth]

Nah, Matron Brindle hits hard with her auto attacks

SB should still be the priority there

[polar kite]

I thought because she's channeling always

:o

[warm plinth]

She only casts two spells and there are gaps between them

[polar kite]

okay

[warm plinth]

Thorned Barrage hurts but her autos hurt too, especially on fortified

[left hatch]

and even with heavy magic dungeons anima is nver worth using

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you'll still overall get more mitigation out of Vision major

[left hatch]

grab CnS, sphere, aeigs, or formless void

oh or lucid

null is another super niche pick that generally its not worth using for an entire dungeon

[polar kite]

oookay, I'll go for that then

[left hatch]

the other 2 generalizations that ppl mess up

thatll hurt survival

is using LS as a panic button

when it should be used as a filler while SB recharges

[oblique garnet]

thorned barrage is blockable damage

[polar kite]

oh.

fuck me then.

haha

[rigid sinew]

sb sb sb ls sb

[left hatch]

and not using Avatar and Demo Shout on cd

new players only think of avatar as a dps cd cause on paper it only mentions the damage increase

but it increases IP size, rage gen, gives rage on use and gives a fuckload of critical block if you have any BoM

same with Demo shout, new ppl tend to 'save it'

[warm plinth]

So actually

Do you not have any Bastion traits Kaasi?

I don't see it on the list

[left hatch]

when the real defensive value comes from popping that shit on cd for tons of rage gen -> free IP's and faster cds

[polar kite]

nah, I don't :(

[rigid sinew]

[left hatch]

at least he doesn't have any bloodsport!

the amount of bad warriors i see with 2/3 stacks of it

makes my soul hurt

[polar kite]

I mostly went for the traits like written in the icy veins guide

Is there an addon to search for azerite traits in my bags? xD

[sick sentinel]

how did you guys survive on carapace ? looks like we cant switch on 2 stacks on p1 :&

[polar kite]

I feel like I dropped BoM for higher ilevel lately

[left hatch]

every raid piece has BoM

which helps a lot

[warm plinth]

You should drop BoM for higher ilevel

It doesn't feel very good but in most cases you should

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel You can live 4 stacks without using much on warrior

[warm plinth]

Unless the higher piece is just all-around garbage

[oblique garnet]

Making sure you have demoshout for every slam is crucial

[sick sentinel]

@oblique garnet okay thx trying it 🙂

[shut summit]

spell reflect the debuff

[sick sentinel]

its working?

[shut summit]

can do every other

[oblique garnet]

I should check the sheet more often

[warm plinth]

Late: "can you reflect this?"
Also Late:

[oblique garnet]

Ive been playing my monk so much this tier i havent paid that much attention to what warrior can do

[warm plinth]

lol

[oblique garnet]

You need the monk debuff somehow 😦

[left hatch]

in BoD i had a monk healer that refused to attack anything to apply his debuff in raid :l

because "people needed to be healed, i dont have time to dps"

[oblique garnet]

I mean i dont mind playing monk its pretty chill

[left hatch]

i liked monk for awhile but its raid rotation gets boring

doesn't quite have the nice flow it did in legion

but doesn't have the procs to keep it interesting

[warm plinth]

That's an interesting argument, since he can just SCK once on any mobs that pop up and he's golden lol

Or even auto attack

[left hatch]

he was the type that popped his revival w/e to snipe heals for HPS meters even on prog

[warm plinth]

lul...

[left hatch]

and would use cocoon on the tank on cd as well to pad

hes not with us anymore

and I'm not talking about him gquitting... you ever see old yeller?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[left hatch]

(:

[grim estuary]

Hey Guys have a short Question: Just got a 445 Ring Versa+Mastery with the Haste Corruption. Would u trade it with an Crit+Haste + Socket(Haste) ?

*other ring is 445 too

[rigid shuttle]

Pauldrons of the great unifier (450), bloodsport, bastion, UF
or pauldrons of infinite darkness (475), not sure what to use if switched

[mild dawn]

do someone has a wa who tells you when you can use Victory Rush and only shows if you can use it?

[left hatch]

@mild dawn ill getchu in a second

@grim estuary id use it for now if you don't have any other corruption, but save your old ring for when you get better corrupted pieces

cause without that on it, your existing ring is better

@rigid shuttle especially because bloodsport is bad, 100000% swap

IF, BoM, Heed/gutripper depending on if you do more raid or M+ and resounding

[rigid shuttle]

i do more tanking in m+ than raid, so heed would be better then yeah?

[left hatch]

yah

if its higher ilvl, its always worth it to swap

only exception really is if its your first DC and even then its arguable if its worth30 ilvls

and of course dps parsing in raid but for that you'd just sim yourself anyway

[sick sentinel]

@warm plinth thx for the spellreflect tipp killed it ez now with tanking 6 debuffs 😄

[warm plinth]

That was Sense I think :p

[grand drum]

can you skip the trash pack before king mechagon? or does it have to be killed?

[warm plinth]

It doesn't have to be killed. If there's an obelisk there, you can skip it

[grand drum]

Thanks

[warm plinth]

By that I mean, you don't need it to make the boss active or anything

Forces-wise might be a different story

[grand drum]

according to method dungeon tools theres enough percent to skip that pack

[warm plinth]

Then you should be good 👍

[left hatch]

theres an ungodly amount of trash in junkyard

the trick is finding packs that don't completely suck

[warm plinth]

He was talking about Workshop. Referring to the pack before the last boss

[left hatch]

which in my experience was trog area (because the little fixate ones don't bolster) and slime area

ooooh

i was thinking the large(er) pack in junkyard

cause that one sucks too

[warm plinth]

It's pretty nasty, since if you lose the shield, the bots will delete you with short out 😬

Junkyard is gonna bug me on bolstering week

[left hatch]

its not fun

[warm plinth]

That side has a lot of different HP trash

But on non-bolstering it should be pretty fun to do big pulls on

[left hatch]

the little blob slimes split and each generation of them bolster -_-

and mid has a bunch of designated caster types that bounce away from you adn do their own thing

so grouping it its a pain esp with larger puls

and the walls of Bondo's Junkyard or w/e dont seem to LoS them

[warm plinth]

The Run n Gun mobs are annoying af

No threat, and they move all over the damn place

[left hatch]

the mini troggs can also be kinda dangerous

while they don't bolster which is super nice

they fucking truck, even on a 13

[warm plinth]

The trashtossers killed my group members in the PUG I did. Dodging swirls is hard apparently

[left hatch]

we had like 2 deaths to the smol ones

and 1 to the shockwave from the double pack before trogg boss

[warm plinth]

Shockwave is gonna kill a lot of people this season I'm betting

[left hatch]

the bosses seem scaled much more leniently than trash tbh

but also might just be cause its not tyranical week

[warm plinth]

Their HP is so low lol, but I haven't done one on a relevant level really

Done both dungeons but they were on 6

[left hatch]

i did a 10,12 and 13 in Yard

and they toppled over

1 phased last boss w/o hero

havn't tried workshop yet

[warm plinth]

Yeah, we almost killed Trixie in a 6 before Naeno even got off his mount the first time lol

Pummeler has really low HP too

[left hatch]

he died on his bike somehow during 1 pull

[warm plinth]

😂

[left hatch]

despite no notable dots

i just don't like it cause theres no concrete routing yet

at least with other dungeons you can work them into existing routes

but i only ran mechagon like... 4 times total lol

didn't even know there was a fucking cave network in it

[oblique garnet]

Firemage killing last boss in junkyard before people getting off from platform on a 6 is a good one

[warm plinth]

Yeah Junkyard is gonna be interesting. I wonder if there's a rotation for where HK8 is

All the runs we did, he was at Gunker first

[left hatch]

yah

i heard that HK8 worked in baseline mecha on a weekly rotation thing

like FH

so id imagine thats what well have to deal with

[warm plinth]

If he's not at Gunker first, you can go left from the start and get shockbots hella fast

Without pulling hardly anything out of the way

[left hatch]

idk if it was in baseline or not, but his shockbots pools stick around a long ass time

and i don't remember them lasting 4-5 mins when i did HArd Mode

[warm plinth]

You can still do it I guess but you're kinda going the wrong way if he's at Gunker haha. Shock bots are gonna be important on that one though for high keys

Like 10% of my damage

[left hatch]

nah, we were going to run through mid to pick up % on our way to Gunker

cause we figured shockbots would'nt be that bad

oh god they were

[warm plinth]

Just to clarify, I was referring to the shock bots that buff you, not the hard mode shock bots :p

[left hatch]

ooooh gotcha

i was talking about the...

walkie-shockies?

[warm plinth]

Yeah I figured haha

[left hatch]

their explosion puddle persists longer than their respawn

[warm plinth]

Yeah, I can't imagine anyone is gonna purposely kill a boss with those around, though I could see MDI pulling trash in an area where they are and then pulling it back out if the situation called for it

[left hatch]

i tried that in mid, they can follow you a long ways

seems like a very high risk strat

[warm plinth]

Speaking of shit following you a long way

Yesterday I learned that the spiders on Yazma's stairs can come down wayyyyyy farther than I thought

[left hatch]

i think they run most of the way down the center isle

to the midpoint

[warm plinth]

We were waiting for our hunter to pull the dino pack away from the obelisk so we could go in, and all of a sudden I died because a spider had snuck up on me 😂

I was pissed

[left hatch]

im probably just gonna end up killing them if its not blob or bug lady inside the obelisk

outside of bolstering week that pack isn't that hard

and it gives super juicy %

[eager hedge]

Note to self.. Dont intercept add on N'zoth when going into intermission. Youll not spawn a body to get back out 😂

[opal python]

what essences are people generally going for nyalotha

i know some bosses can be situational, but i got crucible major and null, memory, and conflict minor

[left hatch]

DPS - CoF Major , Vop, Null, CnS minors

def is VoP Major, Cns, Null, Lucid minors

[oblique garnet]

CoF,null,CnS/VoP,Forbidden void

[opal python]

ah

[pallid berry]

so for raid whats a good 4th essance

[opal python]

i still have to get 1k cr on this alt for cns higher ranks. i got cns r1 rn

would cns r1 still be better than memory r3?

[oblique garnet]

Forbidden Void is one of the best minors

[pallid berry]

formless void? i aint got that yet

maybe aegis or anima

[opal python]

xoroy i just asked that so you can check ^ :)

[pallid berry]

ah, cnf is kinda bad at rank 2

ill fiddle around i guess

[opal python]

yh think memory rank 3 can be better than cns r1/2 but try getting rank 3 ^^

[left hatch]

Anima is one of the worst minors

you could use

[pallid berry]

its great for guardian

[left hatch]

the major is great for gaurdian

we arn't bears

[pallid berry]

so is the minor

extra health

[left hatch]

no its not...

extra health is a safety blanket

it doesn't actually mitigate anything

whereas the other stat sticks actively reduce how much damage your healer needs to heal

all the tank minors are roughly the same CnS, Aegis, Sphere, Lucid and Null

on difference is Sphere isn't great on monk cause monks don't like haste

noone has stam stacked since... at least WoD

[sharp night]

the middle obelisk in atal is always tankbuster