Never
#protection
strong forum
ionic fern
jagged stump
I removed the effect at the Mother by ‘accident’. The effect was listed as green (an equip effect) and not as a corruption (purple). When I asked the Mother what it would remove when cleansing it said: BLANK. After cleansing the green effect was off and bb to SB. Blizzard admitted to have made an error there on the color of the effect but is unfortunately not going to do anything for me.
ionic fern
👀
strong forum
Errr
eager tartan
Khe
jagged stump
Yea I know, feel kind of stupid but since it was blank and the color was different that made me wanna try it.
jagged stump
Sure did
jagged stump
Blizzard acknowledges both mistakes of the tooltip and Mother. They will patch it soon they said.
slim pier
I kind of remember that bird
jagged stump
They say it’s Impossible for them to return loot to me in it’s original drop, I have a hard time believing that, are they just not willing to do it or these customer service employees don’t have the clearance for it?
jagged stump
I did that and it returns it without the ‘corruption’
slim pier
@strong forum
jagged stump
Any other idea’s? Should I keep making a case with blizzard support or is that proven to not work in the past with these things?
strong forum
Classified information.
No way eru, the biggest chance you could have would be destroying the item, then reclaim it with item restoration hoping it would have the corruption back.
But blizz does not hand out items
slim pier
who is the birb in your avatar
strong forum
It's not an existing character
Just a one shot I saw somewhere on the Internet and yoinked it
jagged stump
Thanks guys.
slim pier
I yoinked it?
errant oriole
hey what makes strength of the warden so bad btw?
also is aegis of the deep good in this new raid as a minor?
just got the rank 3 of it
ionic fern
It's not "bad". There are just a lot more valuable essences for us to use in the major slot that provide more.
1)The AoE taunt part of it is obsolete for protection warriors since we have Avatar available for almost any snap threat situations
2)The 50% damage increase sounds nice but it's only for 6 seconds. This ability is also on the GCD so that's already a second lost so you actually have like 3-4 globals to use spells.
onyx vessel
Still prob weaker then cof
errant oriole
well not as a major i mean as a minor
onyx vessel
Im st dmg
ionic fern
In ST it definetly is weaker that CoF.
errant oriole
does the new raid have a lot of ST fights?
ionic fern
Plenty yes.
errant oriole
ahh ok i was hearing it was all adds or something lol
ionic fern
I'd advice you to use Formless void as minor since that provides you with a very solid up time for your primary stat + haste especially in raids.
errant oriole
im gonna get rank 3 vop for major 😛
i need to get that essence i havent gotten it yet 😦
ionic fern
There's no harm in running warden minor either. 🤷
onyx vessel
Cns warden formless as minors for m+ id guess
errant oriole
i mean i have rank 2 dynamo but i heard its bad till rank 3? lol
ill just use crucible for more st dmg as a miner 😛
ionic fern
R3 just adds the big damage portion for it which is a decent portion of your overall if it procs consistently.
errant oriole
ah
ornate ferry
yeah its a decent chunk of my overall dmg
novel agate
this week for m+ i like AoD for the add packs, null because there is still enough magic damage in some of those dungeons to make it worth it, VOP major because who doesnt like 70% uptime on avatar, and i run lucid minor for saving some rage.
strong forum
Formless void is from raid yes?
ionic fern
Correct.
exotic spoke
Morning
ebon hound
Evening
limpid pawn
how bad was the nerf for corruption?
limpid pawn
so it's a huge nerf at low lvls
wooden radish
@ionic fern
exotic spoke
Which is good imo
exotic spoke
Hi Lincoln
exotic spoke
I’m well. It’s Friday. I have all of next week off from work. New m+ season starting up. All good things
How are you?
wooden radish
Nice.
Its been a weird week
my guild announced on Sunday they were switching to Horde after failed on Azshara
I decided not to go
so I've been hunting for a new guild
exotic spoke
Alliance bro!
wooden radish
yes 🙂
exotic spoke
I support your decision
exotic spoke
Is it because you were a dick to people in hammer of wrath and banned them without reason?
So they have to go and complain on the wow forums
wooden radish
lololololololololol
no
they wanted to control every aspect of the raid, including how people geared etc
they couldn't control me
and when they tried, i would push back with facts showing they were wrong
they didn't like that
ionic fern
Sounds like some soap opera type of drama.
wooden radish
yea
exotic spoke
People often don’t like being shown they are wrong and will dispute that
wooden radish
i also have screenshots of them talking a lot of shit about me in officer / private chats
there was going to be a reckoning either way
sullen valve
they couldn't control me
nobody is powerful enough to control Lincoln. He is too powerful
wooden radish
its better that it ended pretty drama free
exotic spoke
Get it... reckoning.... cause paladin?!
sullen valve
also
i know exactly what you mean lincoln. I showed old heal lead facts and would get told im wrong and the facts are wrong when all... Its almost like they had info that non of the TCs had
Prepot wildmending 
only wild mending
exotic spoke
I showed my old co tank facts, archerus showed him facts, Mandl showed him facts and he didn’t listen
I’m sorry Abelito
wooden radish
they told me to use winds of war over overwhelming power
in a fucking raid
on a plate tank
some of the shit they said was beyond mind blowing
exotic spoke
RIP
sullen valve
Use new methods to break through complex limits shattering the bosses into pieces
exotic spoke
At least I don’t have to deal with him any more
Oh you mean like Shattering Throw in Shadowlands?
sullen valve
Im more like saying. We'd be better than all the top guilds such as, method, complexity limit, fatboss, and pieces
exotic spoke
And cuter. Just look at our pfps
I’m down - when’s it happening. When people move to NA?
sullen valve
@ionic fern to NA when
ionic fern
Already there.
exotic spoke
What server then @sullen valve / @wooden radish / @ionic fern
ionic fern
The best one.
sullen valve
all
exotic spoke
I see
wooden radish
im transferring this weekend 🤔
exotic spoke
Know where yet?
wooden radish
yes
i have a new raid lined up
i like them
they like me
im raiding for spite
exotic spoke
Oh nice! Grats
wooden radish
@exotic spoke no. im raiding OUT of spite. fuck people
shut summit
strong forum
Fuck people indeed
analog zinc
me on a 16 wc last night
rapid jewel
someone already have Faralos and can tell me what gives stacks and if it has any CD?
opal python
so what are ppl generally going with for m+ with the 3rd extra minor
currently i got vision major and lucid + aegis minor
so for 3rd i was thinking maybe anima? null for shit like temple? or conflict along with aegis?
strength of the warden also looks good with that self healing?
exotic spoke
Anima is not a good minor
Null is ehh at best
I would advise that you use 3 of the following for if you don’t need corruption resistance:
Lucid, CnS, Aegis, or Sphere
If you need corruption resistance use formless void as a minor
rapid jewel
if you have a few % health burns corruptions, anima isn't that bad in that case.
analog zinc
anima is shit minor
warden is shit minor
null is decent for dmg, but defensively its very neglible
strife should be a default pick in basically all siutations
for 3rd minor i'd run aegis/null/sphere/void
brittle owl
ripple
kappa
@rapid jewel the thing that makes anima minor really shit is that it falls off
analog zinc
max health also sucks
brittle owl
it can be decent in content where your health doesn't drop below that threshold
in the scenario youre mentioning
analog zinc
but then its doing literally nothing
brittle owl
but at that point you're just aoe farming stuff anyway
analog zinc
because max hp doesn't change your ehrps
exotic spoke
Just makes you a bigger sponge
brittle owl
and nobody likes brown sponges
exotic spoke
Unless you’re literally getting one shot by something
Don’t take Anima minor
If you are getting one shot. You’re probably messing something up - don’t take anima minor
brittle owl
^
analog zinc
anima minor for mythic ilgynoth? 
rapid jewel
yeah but this strongly depends on content you do. This week its kinda nice since you do only 6er and you basicly take 0 damage
exotic spoke
Anima major for the memes... acceptable
brittle owl
well yeah but thats hardly an optimization
exotic spoke
If you’re taking no damage why do you want more health?
analog zinc
max health doesn't effect ehrps
brittle owl
corruption damage effects
rapid jewel
for more damage with corruption 🙂
analog zinc
if you're not dying you can work on optimizing damage or ehrps
exotic spoke
But vers effects all damage
analog zinc
if you dont die there's no reason to not die more
brittle owl
it's a very small damage optimization
90% of the work is done by just pulling bigger
rapid jewel
health = damage with Faralos and void
analog zinc
true
exotic spoke
How much health does a fully stacked anima give you?
analog zinc
anima minor might be good for ev stacking
rapid jewel
50k
brittle owl
yeah that's a very small gain
analog swift
hello friends, reminder if you have rank 1 lifeless void and try to steal memebeam for padding, you cannot move. that is all
exotic spoke
Lol Theseus
brittle owl
you don't pad with formless void
analog zinc
my t2 did 8.2k dps alone on a 16 wc last night
brittle owl
you PUMP
analog zinc
42.4k overall
analog swift
then i moved legit 3 out of 4 casts
brittle owl
kekw
exotic spoke
70k. 2,5% of that if you have rank 3 EV = 1750 damage
5% faralos or whatever is 3500
brittle owl
but it can crit doe
exotic spoke
How much vers does a stacked CnS give?
tame garden
😭
brittle owl
can't wait to do 50k single target cause of ev
strong forum
Myeh true
brittle owl
can't fucking wait for my choices and skill to be irelevant because 60% of my damage is external
strong forum
Well... Wrong so far
tame garden
Wtb EV
strong forum
You can do 45k+ overall without corruptions :)
strong forum
That's where you start doing 60k by playing the same way
And I get to shit on every one of my dps players
tame garden
Your dps players will do 80k with their EV
strong forum
Already beat boomy in WM 19 last week
modest dragon
I’m at work so I’m sorry for not knowing the names but I got 3 trinkets yesterday and I need some help. I’m pretty new to taking tanking seriously. I have jezs howler, the haste trinket from nya, and the absorbs trinket from nya, and a pvp health trinket I’ve had for awhile. How are the new trinkets looking & and is the howler one I should always be using?
exotic spoke
I think I have 650k hp with priest buff. 380 vers is about 4.25%.
That cuts the gap between EV to 1k and the faralos to 2k
But it also is a buff to your other damage - you know Booty Clap spam
modest dragon
Oh smart
strong forum
The defensive trinkets from raid are meh at best
analog zinc
16 wc
strong forum
Defensive pvp trinkets are garbage in pve
brittle owl
they're dogshit
modest dragon
Would the absorb one on a heavy magic fight preform well?
analog zinc
sigil of wqarding?
strong forum
That I cannot say, I just know they're meh
analog zinc
yea its good in nyalotha
brittle owl
the absorb one has a caveat currently in that it's the lowest prio absorb afaik
modest dragon
Yes
analog zinc
not as good as psychic ward
brittle owl
or was it psych ward
analog zinc
but its very solid on certain mechanics, which there are a lot of mechanics in nyalotha which work well with it
exotic spoke
Can’t even compete with parses right now roo cry
modest dragon
Is there a must have trinket right now? I haven’t played since uldir sorry if I’m asking a lot.
analog zinc
on n'zoth for example i could rotate last stand & sigil of warding for every void lash, if a tentacle cast a 2nd lash i'd use wall
wooden radish
after we thought it was shit
analog zinc
wym we thought psych was good
if you fully consume it & use it on cd its the highest hps out of any trinket
wooden radish
if you thought shell was good before this, you were nuts
analog zinc
so since its lowest priority absorb
does it mean its basically a divine shield
for 8 seconds
every minute
analog zinc
well like, if you get another shield on you, like a resounding protection, or a power word shield, would the 95% dr apply to those shields, & would the95% stand until all those shields & the shell is broken?
you can basically just ask your disc priest to toss a power word shield on you when you cast psychic shell & basically double the effectiveness of the trinket
tropic star
I beleive the ward trinket is worded poorly but could be wrong
it says it reduces your damage take and then absorbes
so i think the 17k shield is meant to be post damage mitigation? So its effectively 113k ?
on a 1 minute, thats not bad. And gets better in nyalotha and with soem corruptsion
shadow escarp
is there any good protection warrior resource for dungeon content?
analog zinc
at 80% its fucking garbage
with 95% its very good
with 95% + all your other absorbs its a divine shield on a 1m cd
strong forum
#268491842637660160 will have something for you @shadow escarp
full cloud
would you guys keep infinite stars on for high keys? the consideration factor being that i can't keep corruption low enough to negate the eye
haven't tanked since the patch dropped and not at home so spitballing on discord
strong forum
Below 40 for high content
Below 60 for relatively easy content
That's the rule of thumb we're getting at for now
As tank atleast, dps might depend more on the greed vs value factor (risk vs reward)
exotic spoke
What Nome said.
analog zinc
79 if not pussy
strong forum
112 if maniac
left hatch
psh 112? just put corruption on everything.
instakill the dungeon before it instakills you
ez
full cloud
oh cool, so can we shrug off the eye pretty easily?
manic scaffold
Is the warden essence good?
full cloud
i didn't want to create a liability, but i mean, since i can tank the eye somewhat as fury, i guess prot can do it even better
then again, we get hit so often, i wonder if the multiple eyes could proc regularly?
(sorry @manic scaffold, just trying to finish my train of thought, hope someone sees)
manic scaffold
Np
tropic star
i dont know that infinite stars would be good except for tyrannical. The star hits a random target no? and thus wont stack the debuff effectively on hardly any trash
im guessing twightlight devastation or echoing void will be pog on M+
strong forum
Warden isn't great
full cloud
it hits hard though, it seems essential in theory
strong forum
There's better options
full cloud
cool
full cloud
lol, sure, but i mean worst case scenarios
full cloud
hmm
yet most people are rocking <39 with a good corruption effect?
i guess i should just play around with it
strong forum
That's the ideal scenario
full cloud
cool
how does twilight devastation work? visually, the beam looks like it's erratic and doesn't track targets. is the visual misleading, or do only the targets that touch the beam get hit?
analog zinc
why would you run 112 corruption
any corruption beyond 80 makes you take more dmg & less healing
meaning it shows up on your meters
strong forum
😑
TD is random as shit @full cloud
It can proc in any direction unless they changed it in the last 6 days
strong forum
It's wonky AF
full cloud
i keep seeing that thing go off into the distance
strong forum
2nd didn't even go near dummy
full cloud
do you think the bloodmallet values for it take that into account?
strong forum
No
full cloud
wonderful
paper sapphire
What does EV stand for?
tame garden
Echoing void
paper sapphire
thanks
left hatch
Extremely Valuable*
tame garden
Extremely oVertuned
left hatch
^
novel agate
all they have to do is not let it crit and it will fall in line
limpid pawn
This corruption stuff seems much worse than titanforging lmao
warm plinth
EV can crit? That’s pretty odd for something based on your HP
exotic spoke
Personally wouldn’t know
tame garden
Is it too late to go back to titanforging
exotic spoke
^^
wooden furnace
warm plinth
Over what
limpid pawn
hm... i got one of those too
i don't think it's really that great especially for no secondary stats
novel agate
that feel when you get the "when you strike an enemy from behind" ring that corrupts with the t3 mastery proc. guess it will be good for my arms set.
modest dragon
Sorry for such a stupid question but I just started playing again, I keep hearing “the eye” in regards to corruption. What is that?
warm plinth
The eye is one of the negative effects you "gain" when you reach a certain level of corruption (in this case, 20+ corruption). It spawns a ring with an eye in the center and it does increasing amounts of damage to you the longer you stand in it.
The more corruption you have, the larger the ring and the more damage it deals (and the ring gets big)
warm plinth
I was memeing on target dummies with 88 yesterday
That eye starts to hurt 😂
Had one eye up, about 15k DTPS, then the thing from beyond spawned and sprinted at me like Usain Bolt before I could even react, spawned another eye, 30-40k DTPS
Died very quickly at that point
mental scarab
🤣🤣🤣
limpid pawn
corruption is dumb
the gear can corrupt, multiple tiers, huge different possible corruptions, AND socket?
how is this better than titanforging again?
tame garden
Its not
limpid pawn
lol...
novel agate
because once you finish getting all your heroicvision upgrades you can just buy sockets and put it on gear
slim pier
It might not be better
limpid pawn
once I get the bis corrupt im gonna say it's the best for sure
tame garden
Good for you
tame garden
I suppose
coarse dust
Which trinket do you recommend for m+ or raiding(not for mythic progress, only the first bosses to get gear for m+)
sick sentinel
Corruption is the stain on my undies
coarse dust
or is there a spreadsheet about this?
sick sentinel
In general trinkets like rezans/block are great options for m+. In terms of raid trinkets this tier there are only a few
tame garden
Big Rezans + butcher block
sick sentinel
Get out of here bear
coarse dust
So nothing like EP trinkets(coral+edicts)?
sick sentinel
I mean for now they are likely fine, but you’ll probably out gear them
Like i still run coral and Inkpod but that’s cause it’s week 1 and blizzard hates me
coarse dust
Cool, thanks for the info
exotic spoke
But... but... Huge inkpod crits
sick sentinel
YUGE
Why did blizzard ruin the fun and make it so trinkets can’t corrupt
I want a t3 IS rezans
limpid pawn
edict + urchin seems like it's gonna be hard to replace
i have 445 + sockets lol
oh wait the nzoth trinket, nvrmind
wicked meteor
exotic spoke
No. The only time to use that shield is if it’s a higher Ilvl. Your current shield is the same Ilvl and has a socket so it is way better
shadow escarp
would you guys drop ilvl on azerite for better traits? or not a chance?
want to get my weekly 15 done but im a bit afraid tbh
inland mesa
anyone find a way to tell who infinite darkness is on in the carapace encounter?
and who else was raiding last night when the hotfix broke the damn encounter?
grizzled glen
Asked this in general, but are we guaranteed a corrupted piece at the weekly mythic cache?
modest dragon
I see a lot of the high key guys stacking def crash. Is that actually ideal for m+?
limpid pawn
no
modest dragon
Is that extra damage negligible?
limpid pawn
it's not negligible, but you are sacrificing 2 azerite traits for the sake of maximizing your aoe damage
ive seen people do it to parse for huge aoe fights like orgo/zaq as well
but not really the best for m+ i think for most people
99% of the time i've heard from this very discord's best players you only need dc x 1
modest dragon
I’d assume having a tank doing pretty nutty damage in 20+ would be a pretty big help.
sick sentinel
Yes thank you brollikk I often say only 1 DC
modest dragon
Especially when a lot of the dungeon damage is physical.
sweet summit
there are traits that give more damage than a 2nd CD
limpid pawn
i dunno what the general consensus is, but i'd assume if your'e pulling relatively big in 20+ you are going to get your cheeks clapped
maybe requiring some defensive focus more than offense
hence the stacking of urching + edict and 3x BoM being so strong in this case
tame garden
You dont need multiple DC to do nutty damage
modest dragon
No I get that I’m not saying you do, I just didn’t know if prot warriors being as strong as they are would better contribute to high keys by maximizing their aoe potential
sick sentinel
Pre nerf 3 DC was a lot more common but this is an outdated play style for most players
strong forum
People stacking multiple DC is just lack of better judgement / knowledge
tame garden
Also wouldnt look too deeply into other peoples gear early in a patch
They just gonna wear whatever drops for them
strong forum
Maqt, in high keys you maximised both offensive and defensive, ( defensive being trinket choice which will be gone now). But you should ALWAYS aim to do max dps
And luckily prot benefits from both simultaneously
modest dragon
It was actually season 3 stats I was looking at on io. I had always heard general rule was x1 dc. Was just curious as I’m actually getting more into m+ for a first.
strong forum
1x dc is an absolute must
modest dragon
Right right
strong forum
Ideally you want 3x bom 1x dc 2x whatever you can get
sick sentinel
^
strong forum
2x Met Scheming being the current favourite as it gives a shit ton of haste resulting in offensive and defensive gain
modest dragon
Speaking of which, Rosjen mentioned better damage output traits that stacking x3 DC. What would those even be? Met?
strong forum
MS yes
Or any stat proc even
But given that MS is basically the only stat proc with BoM we don't have much room
modest dragon
Appreciate it, that’s way more than I could have asked for! 🙂
sand egret
ello, rage-based friends
ionic fern
👋
jagged bay
hi
exotic spoke
Hello bear friend @sand egret
dark lark
Anybody have initial strategies for spending titan res? Are you guys gonna buy multiple 460s, or save for 3 weeks for the 475? One friend suggested (assuming you're doing 15s mininum every week) buying one 460, and then you can still buy a 475 in week 3. Thoughts?
autumn pendant
@dark lark dont need to post it in every channel mate
wooden radish
@ionic fern UNBAN BLUEPRINT
hardy mesa
How much ilvl should we do for echoing void?
I have some on 410 gloves vs my 445 socket ones without it
sick sentinel
trinket slots are 13 & 14 right guys?
tame garden
Yes
sick sentinel
thanks bro
wild sandal
ah sorry for the ant size pic, thought it will appear bigger
wild sandal
ill re work it
which of these would be best comob, all 3 get me up to 40 corruption
i went with ring and wep , get me to 25 corruption
which i guess isnt that bad
tame garden
Prob 460s
exotic spoke
@sterile mantle do you need corruption resistance?
exotic spoke
Personally I’d work in getting aegis, CnS, and sphere to rank 3. Worldvein maybe, or if you don’t think you need defensives - our CoF in Major and move VoP to minor
Humble brag much?
sick sentinel
D: I can't brag for shit, I'm prolly the worst tank out there
usually hang around in fury
but...
a corruption trait
doing most dmg
13 mil
just insane
sterile mantle
@exotic spoke im at 15 right now....no other corruption worth using atm
have 2 twilight dev but using a t2 EV vurrently
tame garden
Void ritual gang
exotic spoke
That’s the point drax. Everyone knows it’s stupid good. A lot of us still don’t have shit.
Yeah then probably what I already said. It really depends if you need defense or not. I was messing with world vein this week. But hard to compare when I have zero good corrupted items
sterile mantle
lol i feel ya...i think im gonna try world vein if that doesnt my CaS
sick sentinel
D:
hybrid basin
hey got weapon from 1. boss is it actually useful?
sick sentinel
Trinket from wrathion has a cool dragon wings animation, it’s also a nice haste boost I like it
sand egret
“The damage absorb effect of the Void-Twisted Titanshard will now be consumed after most standard damage absorb effects.” 👀 👀
warm plinth
😮
sand egret
it got changed to Bandage rules!!!
warm plinth
That means after IP yeah?
sand egret
yeeep
warm plinth
Spicy
open field
This is another lvl of balance I think. 15 ToS Echoing void doing some work for me here
quartz mist
regenerating barrier of the depths rank 3 worth ? not sure what to be running in mythic +s so far
currently anima of life and death / vison of perfection / lucid dreams
left hatch
Anima is not worth running full stop
Aegis is ok, esp on fort or teeming weeks where majority of the time you have high uptime on 5+ targets
quartz mist
vision of perfection in major ? hmm
warm plinth
Yeah, that's what basically everyone is running in M+ :p
left hatch
that's literally the best offensive and defensive pick in the game for us
(minus CoF major for ST only)
errant oriole
hey is it viable to do a 2v2 with a prot war? lol
i wanna at least get my rank 2 strife 😛
left hatch
i went to 1600 with prot/Hpally
lost maybe 3 matches
but the individuals matches take pretty long each
sick sentinel
Does anyone know a solid video or article on the awakened affix? Are you guys prepared or just running into keys next week blind lol
grand drum
Its this week and im doing em blind
left hatch
i read up on what each boss did, but otherwise goign in blind
kinda fun to improvise routes with the portals on the fly
sick sentinel
Well I mean like next week people are really pushing
I know it’s live
I guess I’m gonna just see what each one does and wing it lol
left hatch
theres no good guide on exact routes or anything yet
sick sentinel
I was 1900 last ssn rogue but I wanna tank
Sounds good I’ll just do what I can for now
surreal oak
@open field this for tank?
stark scroll
The one skip I'm grateful for is mechagon workshop, being able to skip the very last pack
opal python
can i stack brace for impact?
or is not not worth it? should i choose to go with a bloodsport instead of stacking 2 brace for impacts?
warm plinth
No, you should stack Brace
proven stream
@sick sentinel fear boy get dispelled before youre feared, his adds bleed and it hurts a lot. Blob guy kite around dps handle tentacles. Tank buster man tank busts, adds do big aoe move out of it. Other guy call kicks, kick everything
left hatch
don't waste your healers dispel on your own fear when you have Berserk lul
vocal skiff
I just did a SoB and it was so painful
proven stream
Targets 3 lads, almost certainly you need a dispel more than once
vocal skiff
I have always struggled with routing in SoB
and half of the obelisks seem in positions you wouldn't skip anything anyway
Mainly the one at the beginning and the one right after the first boss
Because in order to skip something in there, you would have to pull more monkeys, which I always view as shitty
formal fable
with infinite star's nerf is it still worth the corruption?
chilly brook
@limpid pawn considering you can't gem block value yes 😛
plush pagoda
is devastator the move?
undone sun
for what
plush pagoda
raid
undone sun
afaik it's still only if you're trying to parse on single target, otherwise no
plush pagoda
ty
limpid pawn
what about humming black dragonscale
left hatch
its on par with Rezan trinket before the buff
now with it its probably better (at equal ilvl)
sick sentinel
guys, which ability is it that lowers my avatar cd?
i think it's thunderclap but not 10=% sure, tried googling and seem to find no answers lol
warm plinth
@sick sentinel Could be a couple things; if you mean the continuous reduction, it's the Anger Management talent on the last row. Every 10 rage you spend reduces the CD by 1 second of a lot of our abilities. If you mean like a base CD reduction, it could be the Vision of Perfection essence.
sick sentinel
might be anger management, ty
atomic creek
did they nerf vision of perfection?
echo pebble
For m+ between aegis of the deep, strength of the warden, and memory of lucid dreams, which 2 should i use for minor?
atomic creek
lucid is always good
echo pebble
I have 40 corruption without warden, so i guess between aegis and lucid
atomic creek
more rage is always good
left hatch
warden is pretty awful
id highly recommend just doing raid and getting Formless Void
for that extra resistance
instead of using it
echo pebble
yeah, that'd be ideal, still gearing up though
sterile mantle
man blood thirsty is so much of hps during raids lol
dont know if i can replace it till raden trinkets
lol
sick sentinel
idk what a good replacement for conflict & strife is for m+, i really hate doing 2s and 3s as warrior and it's pretty late in expansion to get r2 then r3 conflict
is crucible of flame alright?
warm plinth
Well, you only really have to do arenas long enough to get to like 1400
And then you just cap conquest every week until you get enough to make R3
R2 is just 1k rating which is almost impossible not to get, because you can't lose rating until like 1200 (assuming you're starting from scratch)
left hatch
CnS is like 3 hours of work in one week
and then conquest capping for 3-4 more weeks
Crucible is only good as a major in ST
there really isn't a good replacement for CnS... theres a reason its an autolock essence in basically all content
warm plinth
If you're dead set against it, you can always do like, Vision major, Lucid/Sphere/Formless or Lucid/Sphere/Aegis even
left hatch
^
warm plinth
Sphere requires PvP but it doesn't really hurt you to only have R1 so
sick sentinel
i did some pvping on my monk
warm plinth
You don't get speed from it, and the buff is a little shorter, but it'll still be 100% uptime while you're fighting
sick sentinel
and i calculated getting 1 each week just cus of capping it would take me like 2-3months
and by then the expansion is prob over lol
left hatch
lul
sick sentinel
i just dislike pvping as a warrior
warm plinth
That's why you go to 1400
sick sentinel
also solo
warm plinth
Because 1400 you get 3 each week, so it takes 5 weeks
sick sentinel
ye, 1month and 1 week
left hatch
were here for at least 9
warm plinth
Yeah it's gonna be the end of the year for sure
left hatch
but yah, i agree, i fucking despise pvp
sick sentinel
well it feels like it's kinda over after 3, some says its new expansion may, some say summer
some say august
warm plinth
I'm the same way, and I still don't think it's bad
left hatch
but if you wanna be optimal theres no substitute
warm plinth
Yeah there's no way we're going to have the expansion 6 months from now
left hatch
may?
warm plinth
Unless Blizzard rushes out a piece of shit
left hatch
wat
the earliest speculation was september and thats ONLY because last 2 xpacs and classic released in sep
warm plinth
Honestly I'd wait another year if it meant it wasn't a pile of shit
sick sentinel
i checked top prot warrior on raider io for m+ and most had conflict r3, but the ones who didn't have it used crucible
left hatch
IO also has their gear from wehn they logged out
and crucible is good in raid for the ST
sick sentinel
yea i know but they had the prot spec
left hatch
.... yes for raid
warm plinth
A ton of specs use conflict because it's so good
sick sentinel
i'm just aiming to complete 10s-15s
warm plinth
Like I said, you can do Vision major, and 3 of the other good minors
sick sentinel
i did it with shit azerites earlier, so hopefully this is enough
warm plinth
If you're dead set against it
sick sentinel
ye im getting r3 vision
left hatch
if you dont wanna be optimal or push content than yah
you can get by with Lucid/Sphere/Aegis/Formless
in your minors
sick sentinel
ye
onyx vessel
I really should get cns r3
open field
@surreal oak yes that was as a tank
marsh silo
so all new trinkets from raid are worse than old Eternal Palace trinkets?
errant oriole
Not even torment in a jar if you can offort to Go Offensive?
onyx vessel
Yeah use it
balmy crystal
yay or nay?
sharp night
if it's your highest ilvl shield
flat jackal
Can someone explain to me this “leech build” that people have been talking about? Is it simply lucid major or are the talents different?
rocky garnet
Is it better than vop major?
tame garden
Most of the time no
rocky garnet
Okie
tame garden
Vop is the standard
errant oriole
Hey i noticed on warcraftlogs prot on st iusing devastator... is this just a dps thing?
dark lark
@errant oriole just for parsing
tame garden
Yes
errant oriole
Ah kk i figured thanks dshoo
torn gulch
so i have a 450 azerite with dc/bm/crystaline/gemshide and a 465 with dc/iron fortress/2 shit traits what whould you guys keep?
dark lark
465
rapid jewel
some has faralos already and can tell what gives the stacks?
flat jackal
@strong forum is it worth getting for m+?
lilac meteor
... I think I asked this the 3rd time now, but Im dumb and don´t look right afterwards... Is their a list of Blockable and Spellreflectable Spells from Nyalotha?
strong forum
If you have none of the famous broken corruptions yes @flat jackal
Yes warlock
Always in #268491842637660160
Lemme ping you aswell
@lilac meteor
upper nest
hey guys, is there a recommended essence setup for m+? now that we have 3 minors and with the new essences im kinda confused 😄
dark lark
vision major, and i think most suggest lucid, conflict, and sphere for minors. some might sub in null or aegis
upper nest
what about strength of the wardens one?
twilit smelt
is the best raid build still 3 flurries 3 random traits?
steep wraith
When the spell reflect sheet says deflect, how does that work with Paranoia on Nzoth? Do you not get paired or is it just a tick of the damage from being apart?
daring sable
so for prot ... heart of darkness vs iron fortress in m+
strong forum
failed another 2 visions 🙂
still r3 cloak
pog
fuck going for other zones
i FUCKING CBA
strong forum
ill cba and rush boss
like what sthe point
every single time i get baited into doing more
and then chain CC'd for 30 sec straight
strong forum
thats how i failed 3
errant oriole
hey guys so i got a gloves that have a chance to give me 1200 haste for 4 seconds for the corruption but both my gloves are 445 these ones i just got have haste on them vs my current ones... any ideas cause it would give me +33 corruption...
errant oriole
atm my resist is only 20 😦
strong forum
12 here
errant oriole
these gloves throw 33 corruption at me lol
astral crystal
speaking of visions as prot, is it easy to do the two medium zones as prot?
mystic berry
yes, pull big, use Anima
astral crystal
welp, i skipped 8.2 so i need to get naima i guess
oh i think i ahve that r3, nvm
thanks
jagged stump
2 zones are pretty doable if you have the death revive and take or the Anima or the Crucible of Flames. You don't have to kill the endboss, just the side pockets for 1 or two pieces of the book when you hit 5 and above.
pastel remnant
kinda new in prot warrior and not sure wich trinket use for M+ and raid. this is the trinket i have
craggy harness
just was looking at the haste
oblique garnet
vision of demise is mediocre at best
craggy harness
k cool
sick sentinel
is it worth to drop 35 ilvls on your leg piece for a 9% source haste gain when you have rezans, 3 OPs and a MS?
full monolith
how do you guys deal on Vexiona with bad healers? 😄 any way to survive Annihilation without Dispel?
Just pugging. But I am getting blamed for dying there. Guess it's puggers' life
sterile mantle
Pug death=tanks fault automatically...dont ya know that?
full monolith
Havent pugged in a while and simply forgot I guess
eager tartan
man people is going insane with workshop keys
I've been offered gold for a spot in a bloody +6
frosty holly
Yarp
analog zinc
@sick sentinel no
royal flame
How's the Vita trinket for prot?
atomic creek
so what happened to vision of perfection? i feel like it is not procing at all
warm plinth
It got buffed to proc more 🤔 Keep in mind that you're not going to notice most of its procs because they happen when Avatar is already active.
atomic creek
is it still worth going for M+?
warm plinth
Yeah, 100%
Procs while Avatar is active are actually better than procs that happen outside of Avatar, because if it procs during Avatar, you get full benefit of Bastion, not the reduced version.
atomic creek
how do you guys feel about anime of death with someof the %health damage corruptions
warm plinth
Still not worth considering for anything outside of islands as a major. To clarify, it's never worth it as a minor, which was why I only mentioned the major :p
atomic creek
cool thx
nimble mauve
Fellas last night I got a 410 WQ item with EV and it outsimmed my 455 socket gloves big pog loving life
mental scarab
😔 i never EV corrupt
tropic oriole
Hey guys, I started playing wow again some weeks ago. Now I wonder what essences I should go for from the "old" content. Thx for the advice
I struggle to figure out of a Rank 2 Memory is better as Anima on Rank 3. Same goes for Vision and Aegis of the deep
warm plinth
Most of your essences are still going to be from the original set
Are you doing raids or M+?
tropic oriole
M+
warm plinth
Vision major, and then for minors you want C&S/Lucid/Sphere/Formless Void/Aegis in roughly that order of priority
Formless goes up in priority if you need the additional corruption resistance
elfin sluice
Is there a haste cap for m+ as prot?
warm plinth
Is there a haste cap for m+ as prot?
@elfin sluice No
C&S is arena right?
@tropic oriole You have to do arena initially but once you get the rating you want (determines how fast you get R3), you can just cap conquest each week.
e.g. 1400 rating is 5 weeks for R3 (6 including the R1/R2 week), 1600 is 3 (4 including the R1/R2 week)
elfin sluice
So I just go full haste enchant/gem wise?
tropic oriole
Thank you
warm plinth
Yeah, typically. If you have like a buttload of haste, crit may be better for you but haste is still going to be solid.
Hard to say where the line is though since it's kind of difficult to sim for an M+ scenario.
You want force multiplier on your weapon though, not haste.
warm plinth
You do want at least the 120 str gem too in sockets, since it's a lot more stat than a haste gem
elfin sluice
got that already
rigid dust
Is twilight deviation good for mythic plus? Have a set of 18% boots and seems to help with AOE
oblique garnet
its best if it procs but echoing void is better overall and more consistent
EV Also doesnt fall off in ST
left hatch
i thought it did? just based on how inconsistent the procs are
things ike IS and EV were much better
warm plinth
He meant EV doesn't fall off in ST I believe
nimble mauve
If I got 1600 arena last season, do I have to get 1600 again this season in order to get 5 of the currency from chest?
Not sure if it resets
warm plinth
Pretty sure you do Auzara
craggy harness
good to know the heroic leap intercept into weird geometry still breaks the game
Quantum Warrior Mechanics
fluid ledge
Btw what are you opinions on lingering sporepods trinket
warm plinth
sterile mantle
having trouible deciding if with of those 2 trinkets beat Bloodthirsty or edicts
for raiding
tired hawk
strong forum
Get dispelled by healers during annihilation
If you're vexiona tank, you take the orb and cast annihilation onto fresh spawning adds
To reset your stacks
That's the crash course
@tired hawk
strong forum
They can always dispel
It's a magic debuff
Just get scream for dispels
And youre fine
There's nothing else going on, so literally all healers can just spam their dispel
And you won't even drop below 80
left hatch
benthic gear was only worth for raid parsing
and since EP is no longer current to proc the bonus effects
yah ditch that asap
vocal flame
great thanks so much!
dry kayak
whats the general consensus on fusion hacker for m+?
the damage proc seem worth it to anybody?
ionic fern
Is it your highest ilvl weapon?
Also,why would it be good for m+? It's a auto attack based single target proc iirc? Regardless..if it's your highest ilvl weapon then use it..otherwise don't. :)
nova gale
How is the mechagon shield btw?
fluid ledge
think it is only worth if it is higher ilvl for you
warm plinth
Yeah the effect is pretty trash
nova gale
Aight
warm plinth
The absorb is so small that it's depleted instantly so you never actually get any significant damage out of it
fluid ledge
if dmg part was outside of absorb then it would be good but as it is linked to absorb well yeah
nova gale
yeah now that I read it more throughly I can see it being negligable
spice musk
is the haste avoid corruption more worth than a socket?
left hatch
the avoidance corruption isn't even worth the corruption
much less something of actual value like a socket
chilly brook
@spice musk are you asking about haste or avoid corruption
left hatch
i assumed the Avoidance is a % of haste
spice musk
right thats thing
chilly brook
yea so no
hushed pier
Hey guys, quick question, I just got an Infinite Star corrupted item, yet I've been dpsing dummies for quite a while now and it hasn't procced, any idea why might this be happening (or not happening actually)? Thanks in advance
chilly brook
avoidance is nice to have but not worth sacrificing corruption or a gem for
wind garden
@hushed pier it doesn’t proc sometimes on certain dummies according to one of my guildies with it.
hushed pier
Tyvm
zealous ore
What are some good prot trinkets for keys?
Running a 415 anchor with leech and a 445 rezans atm
inland mesa
so what corruption are we looking for? IS and EV? what about TD?
left hatch
TD is ok for Aoe, falls off in ST because of how inconsistent it is
inland mesa
I feel like TD would be good on keys
left hatch
like i said, its ok for aoe, the proccing is very finnicky though so it doesn't have as much value in ST
kinda like Aegis
EV is consistent because you always either build a charge or consume them
and IS is the opposite of TD, amazing for ST but pretty solidly meh in aoe
inland mesa
I just got a 445 crit mast ring with socket, and 50 corruption TD does 12% of my health
left hatch
as for good M+ trinkets, Rezans, Butchers block, and Wrathion trinkets are solid
right, when it procs it can be very strong
vocal flame
everyone rocking force multiplyer for their weapon enchant now? we are ditching haste?
left hatch
that issue is the inconsistency
vocal flame
just saw that on icy veins
vocal flame
ok thanks so much for the help
sick sentinel
Question Warrior Bros, So I currently hold Vial of Animated Blood, and Blood Thirsty urchin. Is it worth the switch to Ancient Tuskarr Sea Charm? I know vers can decrease damage and if I was going to drop one I don't know which if I should at all honestly. Vers is nice, but Healing and that Strength during rotation is nice.
left hatch
- are you using Vial properly
- are you in content that you need the defence from Urchin
and ig 3. is ilvls of the trinkets?
sick sentinel
I'm using as per recommend earlier. In rotation with Ancient, Demo, Trink, TC. I am 445 ilvl in N'g, and 445 Vial, 430 Blood, and 445 Tuskarr
left hatch
id drop the urchin
nothing in nyalotha requires defensive trinks with proper play
and you wanna TC after avatar
if your opener is Avatar-Demo-(Vial)-TC you have a whole global where you gen 0 threat
and ppl will pull off you and die
sick sentinel
Sorry I didn't put it in order, This Noobs mistake. I usually Avatar>TC>Demo Vial but sometimes I Vial then demo.
left hatch
Don't vial before the demo
it has the same negative effect as macroing vial to Avatar
you waste the first GCD when vial has the giga str buff
sick sentinel
Usually bad brain mechanic happens with old age and rotation slips.
Roger that. Thanks for the pro tips.
agile vault
Hey all, I’m ilevel 433 and just ran a mechagon workshop +5 and waycrest +4 as tank and felt incredibly squishy. I was especially having trouble on the last trash pack before last boss in mechagon— healers were having trouble keeping me up. I demo shout on cool down and try to keep SB and IP up at all times + last stand and shield wall. Any tips for what else I could be missing, or am I just undergeared? (I’m also not super clear on how mythic key difficulties scale after 8.3h
left hatch
last pack in mecha is kinda a bitch but theres still no reason you should have been struggling at that ilvl
since a 5 isn't even equivalent of a 10 last season
IP 100% uptime isn't required
You shouldn't be using LS if you have SB up
you use it to fill gaps in SB uptime because of Bolster
Avatar is also something you should be using on cd
with even 1 stack of Bastion of Might it becomes a potent defensive cd because of critical block
and even without BoM the increase in Ability power increases your Ignore Pains
distant crystal
even with none it should give you a lot faster rage gen eh
left hatch
that too
distant crystal
heh
left hatch
plus the rage from activating it
shy rapids
is it possible to sim for prot? trying to find out what items are better in my bags
left hatch
but without logs of hte runs there isn't much more in depth info we can give you
besides teh general guidelines
and yes. for dps and dps only
if you're looking to determine whats better for survivability you equip the highest ilvl
if its the same ilvl Haste>Verse is for raid Haste>Crit is for M+
sockets are worth about 5 ilvls on most pieces, 15 ilvls on a ring
(rings and trinkets excluded from that ilvl rule)
agile vault
Hm ok, I think I might be neglecting avatar on cool down or accidentally overlapping LS and SB. Thanks for the tips- might try and get a log of the next run for more troubleshooting
left hatch
yah... theres just a lot that could be going wrong (and not just on your end)
bad healer, missing interrupts, not paying attention to AOE effects can all contribute
inland mesa
oh hey, avatar dispels your void tendral slow from corruption lol
left hatch
yeh, its barely noticable in keys
agile vault
For the shield generators in mech, should I be trying to tank such that the mobs are outside the shield (which is what I’ve been doing) or try to stand inside the shield and position mobs outside?
left hatch
oh you're talking inner mech i thought you meant junkyard
and its not necesary to be in the shields really, just make sure the mobs arn't in them
agile vault
oh yeah workshop
left hatch
bonus points if you can get in tho
agile vault
ok cool, wondering whether that was part of the problem
exotic spoke
Corruption Exists!
left hatch
nice, low stat budget piece too so losing ilvls isn't as bad
inland mesa
IS starts got nerfed again? my 50k hits are down to 28k 😦
warm plinth
Scales with the ilevel of the item rather than AP now
Some others got nerfed similarly
inland mesa
hmmm, swear it was 42k then the by ilvl went in and it went up to 50k, now it's 24901 as I just looked at it
marble cipher
Mine have been gold the past few assaults 🤷
dark lark
All I get is void ritual
I have the sword from h wrathion on my first kill so there's that
winged grail
And then there's me, easy world 4th on Skitra without trying thanks to echoing void rank 3
cold cosmos
I got a rank 3 void ritual! So useful
novel agate
I had the RNG gods smile on me and grant me a t3 EV, do i now uncorrupt the sword from wrathion?
or just deal with the high corruption incase blizz desides to nerf EV
oblique garnet
Wrathion sword is not that good 
shadow tapir
Quick question for anyone in the know, Bloodmallet a reliable resource for offensive trinket rankings?
oblique garnet
Yes and no
Use raidbots to sim your character
And see whatever trinket suits you the best
shadow tapir
it's always razor coral/inkpod but I'm trying to find the best setup to blast through quests without using offspec
probably the best option is just massive, massive pulls or suck it up and use the dps spec thoJ?
oblique garnet
Uhm i dont know what to tell you its kinda pointless to sim for wq content but for aoe inkpod/coral combination isnt that great
shadow tapir
Thanks Late, appreciate ya.
lucid dew
@oblique garnet would you remove corruption from wraithon sword then?
oblique garnet
Uhm
Is it your only item?
And honestly atm i would keep it just incase they buff it
lucid dew
i have IS