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sick sentinel
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that's definitely not 32.4 yards

warm plinth
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Or is it too difficult to test with it spawning on you

left hatch
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it is.... thats how radius vs diameter work

sick sentinel
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I'm talking from diameter

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from the diameter

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that's not 32 yards

left hatch
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i mean thats the value narcissus gives me for that corruption lvl

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16.2 radius

sick sentinel
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from me

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and this dummy

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is exactly 40 yards

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that circle is definitely not 32 yards

left hatch
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honestly that seems pretty close to it

sick sentinel
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I'm at slope too

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so it looks closer than it is

left hatch
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diameter is 1 point of the cirle to the opposite point

sick sentinel
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uh

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obviously?

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What is this, year 6?

left hatch
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and that cirlce seems to be bit smaller than that range

warm plinth
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I was not aware that an off-handed comment was going to spark a conversation about high school geometry.

left hatch
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but feelycraft away

sick sentinel
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that circle you said was 32 yards right?

left hatch
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thats the in game given value for 65ish corruption

sick sentinel
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the difference I make relatively from that screenshot and exactly 40 yards is vastly different

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It's way smaller than what 32 yards should be

left hatch
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if you say so

oblique garnet
warm plinth
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Same Late, same.

sick sentinel
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that seems pretty toxic too ghash

warm plinth
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Sounds like you should ban the toxic people with your almighty anti-toxicity powers

undone sun
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protection was always toxic

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idk what you're talking about

daring marlin
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i agree with that Nike guy.

warm plinth
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Ban me big blue

daring marlin
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Also true

warm plinth
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Agree with the Nike guy about what

daring marlin
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I mean hooowee 8.0 was hilarious

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muh viable memes

undone sun
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@sick sentinel and that's definitely not toxic Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

oblique garnet
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I mean i wouldnt be surprised at the viable memes making comeback with this raid tier

left hatch
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between 'dks are strongest tank' and 'warrior C tier list' the planets are aligning nicely

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apparenlty some ppl are having trouble pugging M+ as prot already (:

undone sun
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there will always be people having problems

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that's not new

warm plinth
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I'm a B tier tank

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πŸ™‚

left hatch
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but a D tier player ):

warm plinth
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It's true 😦

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Wait, that keeps me at a C average. Not bad!

oblique garnet
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In terms of raid there are other alternatives that are better than prot but in m+ dont think anything comes close maybe monk with endgame gear

left hatch
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thats the reality but not player perception

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kinda like the stigma around vDH

sick sentinel
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I heard we are talking about toxicity and thought I should insert myself

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I’d like to submit my name for consideration

undone sun
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toxicity and idiocy are two different subjects

sick sentinel
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I get two awards? Fkn ez

lucid dew
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445 sigil of warding or 430 eddicts?

lucid dew
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any idea?

dim blaze
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Anybody know what's up with tanknotes?

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It took forever to load last night and can't get it tonight

tame garden
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working fine for me

dim blaze
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hmmm

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oh hmmm .com loading now let me check .tk

undone sun
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both work for me

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pretty sure it's just a redirect too

dim blaze
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not sure why it's so slow for me. Neither would load for the last 30 mins now it's loading but spinning for a while. What explorer you use?

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I'm on chrome

undone sun
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firefox

dim blaze
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gonna try ff

left hatch
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works fine on chrome for me, hivemind took a bit to load in but

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'a bit' was like 30s

crystal dirge
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cleared 10/12 HC tonight, the only time I had any sort of problem as prot was on Ilgynoth 2nd blast

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I barely had to use any cd otherwise

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Any info or theorycrafting on how to deal with the tankbuster lieutenant tho?

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Also worth noting that Ilgy 2nd blast 1shot me around 760k with 0 mitigation. with demo+reflect+bark it got me to around 40% hp with 446 ilvl

grand drum
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What can be spell reflected by the awakened m+ affix bosses?

astral crystal
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halp, 410 pocket sized or 430 rezan's

vocal skiff
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430 rezan's probably

analog zinc
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killed heroic carapace & instinctively clicked X on bonus roll

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fuck

exotic spoke
sick sentinel
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does anybody know if echoing void gains stacks off haste after it procs?

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Like the 1ppm then once it procs it gains stacks

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is the stack gaining haste based?

sharp night
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i don't understand the question

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you gain 1 stack on every gcd spent

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every time you use an ability -> 1 stack gain

sick sentinel
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ah ok

sharp night
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unless it's currently collapsing

sick sentinel
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so it does go by haste

sharp night
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if it's dealing damage you can't gain stacks until it's oevr

sick sentinel
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because faster gcds

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means faster stacking

sharp night
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yes, but there's no ppm

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it's literally just stack -> collapse

sick sentinel
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so the stacking is scaled by haste

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but the not the collapse

sharp night
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yes

sick sentinel
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meaning you can perma have high stacks the entire dungeon

sharp night
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except for energy classes, haste does not affect it

sick sentinel
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if you have enough haste

sharp night
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no, that's not how it works

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you gain stacks, when it collapses it removes stacks

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it's either building or collapsing at all times and the higher the stacks the higher the probability it collapses

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each pulse of the collapse removes 1 stack and it pulses until it hits 0

sick sentinel
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so if you have 200% haste the entire time and you get a fuck ton a stacks before it collapses.

sharp night
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gcd is capped at 100% haste

sick sentinel
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so if you have 100% haste

sharp night
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for non-energy classes

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and it doesn't matter how many stacks you get before collapsing

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on average it always deals the same

sick sentinel
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so 50 stacks does the same damgae as 10

sharp night
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..no

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every stack deals the same damage

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but it pulses that many times

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so if you have a 50 stack it pulses 50 times before you can build again

sick sentinel
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Yes yes, what I mean is

sharp night
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there is functionally no difference between getting 10 stacks, having it collapse, getting another 10, and having it collapse

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and getting 20 before it collapses

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it does exactly the same amount of damage in the same amount of time

sick sentinel
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If you get it to high stacks because of your haste is higher, and you then notice it's collapsing thus you pull more to get more benefit on more mobs at the same time rather than have like 5 stacks collapsing and then have to build it up in a big pull again and do no damage to that pull

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it would be better

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I don't care about damage output

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I'm talking about timing with high stacks and haste

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because you'll get more out of it

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like that

sharp night
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no

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you're overthinking it

left hatch
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realistically you never get to high stacks anyway

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for me i think the highest iv seen it at was 11

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it collapses really often

sick sentinel
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I'm not over thinking, I'm asking about possibilities about min maxing

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Lets say you go into a pull and your stacks are collapsing on only 1 mob

sharp night
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it usually collapses around 5-8 stack

sick sentinel
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and then you pull 20 mobs and you're gaining stacks

sharp night
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so it literally doesn't matter

sick sentinel
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and do no damage with echoing

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you're losing

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damage

sharp night
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no

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you aren't

sick sentinel
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How so?

sharp night
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it averages out always

left hatch
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echoeing is split damage

sharp night
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to half uptime

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and split dmg

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so it literally doesn't matter

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there is no min maxing

sick sentinel
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It doesn't matter if it's split

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Doing damage to a bigger pull

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even if it's exactly the same amount of damage as 1

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It's better

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because you want as much damage as you can on bigger pulls

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rather than on one mob

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It's a waste

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That's what I'm discussing

chilly brook
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unless you're doing more damage than that mob has health it's not a waste

sick sentinel
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I don't care about that one mob tho

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I want all my damage to be on high density mobs

sharp night
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why

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it doesn't matter

sick sentinel
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Because that's where the timing comes in and having pulls be less risky

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resulting in being able to do larger pulls

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If you go into a pull and you wipe to mobs and that damage you could of had with echoing would of saved you

chilly brook
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It's like the same discussion as to whether you should use edicts on physical or magical

sick sentinel
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You lost damage

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You always use physical

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unless end of ML

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because you get the most out of it

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exactly like I'm discussing

chilly brook
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Yes

sharp night
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the point is

chilly brook
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And you still get the most out of your damage on one target unless you're exceeding the hp pool

sharp night
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you don't get "more" out of it

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whether you do 1 or 50 targets

sick sentinel
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I know it does the same amount of damage

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I literally dont' care

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about the damage it does on average vs bigger and smaller pulls

chilly brook
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Your confirmation bias doesn't care*

sick sentinel
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That's information that doesn't need to be regarded

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I'm talking about

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If doing a pull

chilly brook
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Of course it needs to be regarded

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wadu hek

sick sentinel
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It doesn't

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Because that's not what I'm talking about

sharp night
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???

chilly brook
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"let's just throw out the data cuz reasons"

sick sentinel
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Well obviously you guys don't have an answer because you are ignorant to that type of information. It's exactly like the discussion about Lucid. Same information. You only use lucid if you would otherwise die on that pull. It's the same thing with what I'm talking about. Wouldn't echoing void be better if you used in bigger pulls where having that damage would of otherwise saved you from wiping if you did; rather than not having it at all

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and thus wiping

chilly brook
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Not even close to the same as lucid

sick sentinel
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It's exactly the same concept

chilly brook
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No

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Because lucid actually scales based on damage intake and pull size

warm plinth
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I think what they're trying to get at is that the larger the pull, the smaller the damage Echoing does per mob. So you're not actually gaining anything by it collapsing on a larger pull.

sick sentinel
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I really don't care about the damage splitting

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or the damage output on doing it on bigger mobs

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I know it does

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EXACTLY

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the same damage

chilly brook
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Echoing literally gains nothing from being used on larger pulls

sharp night
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then explain how

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doing 1k more dps on 10 mobs

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is gonna "save you" from that pull

chilly brook
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I don't even think you know what you're arguing at this point

sharp night
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vs 10k on single target

sick sentinel
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Because that 1k you were doing especially since other people probably going to have echoing void also

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is going to save you on massive pulls

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than if you didn't have it

sharp night
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????

sick sentinel
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at all

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during that pull

chilly brook
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x to doubt

sick sentinel
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Literally the same concept

sharp night
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so you're telling me

sick sentinel
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as lucid

sharp night
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hitting 10 mobs for 1k more dps

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is going to save you

left hatch
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the required dps to survive on a huge pull rises multiplicatively

warm plinth
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1k DPS is going to save you on a 10 mob pull? πŸ€”

sick sentinel
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If you need 1k more dps on those mobs

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Yes?

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Then you would of gained more benefit from it :)

warm plinth
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1k DPS is gonna shorten that pull by like 0

sick sentinel
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1k dps on 5 different people

chilly brook
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If you're doing obscenely large pulls forget echoing void what you need are Unholy DKs

warm plinth
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Yeah if you want something that benefits you on larger pulls, then you would want something more like Twilight Devastation because that doesn't split.

chilly brook
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EV isn't going to make any realistic difference in your survival

left hatch
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or even the flat stat % ones

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because at least those scale into aoe

warm plinth
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Yeah, any of those would scale better with pull size than EV

chilly brook
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The haste one would be way better than EV

sharp night
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and the fact that EV tends to collapse mostly between 3-8 stacks

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are your pulls somehow lasting less than 10 gcds

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on pulls that big

left hatch
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but for your original question about trying to minmax around stack sizes

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it collapses pretty regularly

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and theres no way to force it

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so you can't really bank up charges

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and then expend them on giga pulls anyway

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so in terms of reliably using it to giga pull anyway its a moot point

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another reason why its a completely different situation than lucid major

grand drum
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there is way too much trash in this raid

chilly brook
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And if your goal is to giga pull there are far more impactful choices to make that have nothing to do with gear such as group comp

analog zinc
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i've only actually noticed EV once

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i entered p3 of carapace, & at that point you run to the middle of the room, & wait for him to run over to you

left hatch
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but from what iv noticed EV doesn't scale with haste

analog zinc
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my EV popped at 18 stacks, I missed like 6 or 7 of them

left hatch
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either because theres an internal cd for how often stacks build (like with searing flames) or maybe i didn't deviate the haste difference enough to notice a diff

sharp night
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it's one per gcd

left hatch
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but the stack gain seemed to be roughly the same

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ah ok so it does scale with haste to a point

analog zinc
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anyway, 2 days in & I'm 11/12N 11/12H

left hatch
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ouch, n'zoth that bad on normal too?

analog zinc
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well

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on normal, we 1 shot everything but a single wipe to ra-den

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11 wipes to n'zoth & we switched to heroic

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we just now tried (heroic) n'zoth after killing h carapace, & he seems signifigantly easier

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still a hard fight tho

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also carapace fucks

fringe marten
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So Marking Bar is breaking constantly...and I am using it for Skitra; anyone else have a better marker addon, or know why markingbar is breaking?

analog zinc
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Opie

fringe marten
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ok; i'll give it a shot

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thanks.

analog zinc
dim blaze
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445 sigil or 460 humming dragonscale?

analog zinc
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dragonscale

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sigil doggie

dim blaze
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really? thought dragonscale sucks

analog zinc
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how would it

vocal skiff
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I just got an item with twilight devastation, bumping me to 20 corruption. Now, I know it's tame, but I wonder if it's worth the hassle when my other piece is a void ritual

analog zinc
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its the same haste per minute as Rezan's, which is a top tier trinket for pwar

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except its more consistant than rezans'

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void ritual fucking sucks

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twilight dev sucks on single target, its only good on big aoe

vocal skiff
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So you would cleanse the void ritual piece?

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Or just deal with the minor corruption eye

analog zinc
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do you have any replacements for the void ritual?

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like another piece in that slot?

vocal skiff
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nothing corrupted

analog zinc
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you dont need to run all corrupted

vocal skiff
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I know

analog zinc
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1 sec

vocal skiff
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I don't have another piece, no

analog zinc
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according to that, twilight dev is worth 54dps per corruption, & void ritual is worth just 17, that's assuming every twilight dev hits the target

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void ritual just kinda sucks

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i would never go up a corruption danger tier for it

hushed cobalt
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2bom/1dc/3ms/2op πŸ€” seems hasty to me

sick sentinel
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you can't get 3 ms?

hushed cobalt
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Proudmoore emissary azerite

near ivy
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you cant get 3 ms at relevant ilevel*

west galleon
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it's 445 now

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that's aight atm

sick sentinel
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3 MS and haste source gain corruption

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with rezans

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πŸ€”

near ivy
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overclock/recal card :)

sick sentinel
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3 ms, 3 OP

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rezan with recal/overlocks

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that's on average

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what, 1k extra haste?

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with lust increase too

hushed cobalt
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I do have the 1.2k haste proc on boots

near ivy
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thats a lot more that 1k average

sick sentinel
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that's tier 3 increase

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whats*

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%

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with 1.2k haste proc, and what 15% haste gain from all sources?

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that's like 2/2.5k

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fucking zoomer tank

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sphere

hushed cobalt
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luckily for me the helm is tom+ms or i'd be doing alot of re-traiting

sick sentinel
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is overwhelming power still bis for prot?

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despite nerfs*

warm plinth
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Yep

left hatch
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its about on par with UF (some pieces have both)

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so its feelycraft which one is better

sick sentinel
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i need a helpful opinion. I assume the weapon from Wrathion is definitely worth using, which corrupted pieces would you suggest i remove to use it?

left hatch
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none

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iv been doing heroic raid and M+ with 38 corruption with no problems

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28 is more than manageable in all content

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oh 1 sec didn't notice you had bracers too

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probably the %crit one...

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or jsut don't use wrathions

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gushing wound is more dps than searing flames

sick sentinel
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with all 4 i'd be at 48 lmkao

left hatch
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right

sick sentinel
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43 i mean

left hatch
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either %crit or just cleanse searing flame

sick sentinel
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so that might be a bit hard in real keys haha

left hatch
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searing flames does a bit more dps, %crit has defensive value

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so pick your poison

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either will drop you to 33 or 13 which is ez mode

grizzled glen
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is dropping ilvl for corruption piece (echoing void) worth using?

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10 - 15 ilvls give or take

near ivy
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sim

mortal brook
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I would literally drop 70 ilvl for an ev

left hatch
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almost certainly yes

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tier 2 is like 5k dps

sick sentinel
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If I don’t get corruption soon I will do irreversible damage to the earths core

mortal brook
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i have zero regrets about the 455s im not wearing. and this is just a t1 πŸ˜„

ionic fern
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πŸ‘

exotic spoke
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Grats

west kayak
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I got the Normal Tank trink from Muat and just got the Heroic Dragonscale. Was hoping for the weapon but I will take it. πŸ™‚

limber pagoda
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The weapon from first boss? Is that our best or should we rather get one that had Infinite Stars or Echoing Void?

ionic fern
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IS/EV are both currently better because of numbers.

limber pagoda
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But it’s just more random huh?!

ionic fern
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Jeah.

limber pagoda
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Dam it all!!!

sterile mantle
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do yall think the raden trinet ciombo will be any good

waxen cradle
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Have had 100% pure shit luck on corruption pieces but it is week 1 so I am not too terribly upset

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Only one I got was a single ring with a crit proc that gives 35 corruption.... =.=

left hatch
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@limber pagoda best weapon will be w/e you can get at highest ilvl, if you spam M+ you can get a nice assortment of corrupted pieces to get your IV/ES stacks

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imo dw about high impact pieces like wep/shield corrupting and just go for ilvl there

ionic fern
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Meanwhile a lvl 5 weapon with IS/TD/EV sims way higher than a 445 wpn.

left hatch
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true, but i wouldn't stress about 'what corruption is on my ewapon'

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just stress about 'what pieces can ifindEV/IS on'

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and thenjust cleanse wrathion (:

ionic fern
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Smh, can't even meme properly cause of the orange name.

undone sun
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smh my head

left hatch
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we respect you too much

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youd never meme on us D:

undone sun
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who said anything about respect

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🀣

ionic fern
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^

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Thyme is a bully.

undone sun
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πŸ˜‰

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gotta keep people in check

gaunt dawn
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1 ilvl corrupted gear > 475 socket

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And that's a fact

ionic fern
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The game is killing stuff for you. πŸ‘
Preparing for that WoW mobile release.

undone sun
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AFK: Idle: WoW

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ez

gaunt dawn
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I just want MoP back 😒

undone sun
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i'd settle for legion

warm plinth
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Some people like chocolate ice cream, some people like rocky road

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And some people like

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Legion

undone sun
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hmmmmmmmmm

brittle owl
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TargetSighted
tbc

undone sun
brittle owl
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tbc isnt classic doe

undone sun
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not yet

brittle owl
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silly condiment

ionic fern
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Legion was fun tho. :(
I actually enjoyed playing multiple tank classes then..after the horrible RNG legendary fest.

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#tbc-discussion

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😦

warm plinth
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Honestly if tyrannical didn't exist in Legion, M+ would've been perfect

brittle owl
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unpopular opinion : legion m+ was degenerate 😦

ionic fern
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Only because of some certain boss mechanics imo.

undone sun
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it's definitely not more degenerate than bfa m+

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fight me

brittle owl
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giga pull + kiting wasn't exactly my idea of fun

sick sentinel
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That was the best fun

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and nuking over 1billion damage

brittle owl
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🀜 @undone sun

undone sun
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πŸ€›

brittle owl
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✊

ionic fern
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I diddn't mind gigapulling and kiting. 😦

gaunt dawn
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Meanwhile us MoP fans had full fun with vengeance where you were rewarded for handling risk well

brittle owl
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mop fans

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closeted furries more like

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😠

undone sun
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yeah, i would have loved to experience MoP tanking, but that's like shooting for the stars

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why i'd settle for legion

brittle owl
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or playing wrath DK

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πŸ’¦

dusty prairie
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is ritual feather from turtle emissary good?

undone sun
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alright old man

brittle owl
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🩸

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hands down best expac to be casual in

ember arrow
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wow good?

hollow kernel
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hi, does any1 know how many shred of insanity u get from bgs?

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for the new crafted gear

subtle fossil
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Tested Vulpera Racial in Wc 18,19 and SotS 20 allways around 12% of overall heal, 2,8 mil in WC 4 mil in SotS, allways Rank 3 after IP and Urchin. So definitly worth a try.

sick sentinel
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whats actual hps on vulp racial for those keys

ionic fern
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Easier to just give us the logs.

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πŸ˜’

sick sentinel
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too bad about the on use

subtle fossil
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The use is totally bullshit beeing on teh global and doing lit nothing 😦

thorn kayak
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Heyho guys, is the new Void-Twisted trinket better than Edict?

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Mainly in M+? That crit buff and vers is pretty appealing

leaden grail
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for ST dps when avatar is up, do I use thunderclap on a higher priority than shield slam? exclusively from a dps perspective

sick sentinel
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mh has someone a weak aura that triggers shamy earthquake under me? :S

left hatch
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no aDDi SS is higher prio

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TC used to do more damage than SS in avatar window in 8.2 but they nerfed that talent

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so now SS does more damage

leaden grail
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thanks

dreamy fulcrum
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What are the trinket options for prots at higher M+ atm? Looking at new trinkets i feel like most will still use edicts+urchin combo. Are there any viable options? Or back to Vial+rezan just because of itemlvl?

ionic fern
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Rezans/Block.
Urchin/Edict.

winged echo
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Question: 445 vers/mas with Ineffable Truth (cd reduction) or 460 with just haste/vers??? (wrists)

eager tartan
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I see Sense got lucky with the infinite star lottery, lovely to see a Pwarrior up there

ionic fern
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@winged echo honestly i'd probably use the Ineffable Truth ones. Bracers aren't the biggest source of stats so the proc gains some value..even tho it's RNG.

frail blade
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hello guys, I want ask something weapon first raid boss corruption traits bis for tank or useless

ebon hound
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It seems very weak, about the same cost as a t2 Echoing Void, but does about 1/8 of the damage.

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But to be fair, Echoing Void is mongo strong.

ionic fern
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Ev/is are both stupid broken right now.

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It's not useless per-se since :
1)It's a guaranteed effect from a 1h wpn.
2)IS/EV are both RNG drops
3)Looking currently how IS/EV are performing i'd expect them to get re-balanced some time in the future.

sharp night
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they need to take a look all the direct damage ones, all of them are incredibly broken in different situations

analog zinc
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remember when we all thought crit multi would be the broken one

sharp night
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that was pre buff

wind garden
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Everyone keeps talking about how we expect subsequent nerfs to certain corruptions, but I’m sure many of us have played through expansions with broken itemization before.

ionic fern
#

Not this broken. πŸ™‚

wind garden
#

Maybe they’re setting a new standard!

brittle owl
#

there have been broken stuff before

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not 500ilvls worth of effect on a single piece though

primal crypt
#

IS is insanely broken

lucid dew
#

We basically shouldn’t use corruption unless it’s EV or IS right?

#

It seems like everything else is a waste of corruption

wind garden
#

Depends on ilvl of the items you acquire. If it’s similar ilvl then using it is fine. Just don’t go so high in corruption it affects your ability to survive or do mechanics.

ionic fern
#

I'm using a mastery proc + the stat stacking one since i got nothing else .🀷

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Leaves me at like 25 or something corruption so it's not a issue.

sweet summit
#

How do i bribe the game to give me corrupted items?

ionic fern
#

Killing boars in Elwynn Forest and sacrificing them to the Old gods.

sweet summit
#

Thank you, ill try that

tame garden
#

Basically any source of gear that isnt m+

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M+ corruption chance is absurdly low

sweet summit
#

So im better off doing wq's ? πŸ˜‚

tame garden
#

Unironically yes

sweet summit
#

Oh shit

ebon hound
#

Do 13 m+, dont get any corrupted items, Do 1 emissary, get Echoing Void peepostudy

tame garden
#

Do all gear world quests and emmisaries

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Seems best chance at corruption atm

#

I wonder how common it is from arena loot

ruby nexus
#

with dailies giving 250-325 visions do we still have to bank keys to get rank15 earlies as possible?

exotic spoke
#

Yes and no

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Yes, because the runs still take more than you can earn in a week (at times) and having some as back up never hurts.

But, the no part is that you will Cap what you can store earlier and then do them so you don’t waste them

lucid dew
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What is max corruption level you would be as a tank

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I have the two negative effects currently with the eyeball. Doesn’t really seem to be an issue

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But don’t think I’d want any more

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Also seems like I was lucky to get a rank 2 INfinite stars piece

slate pilot
#

As high as you can without putting your raid/group At risk. Its very dependant on situation and What content you’re doing

strong forum
#

Below 40 id say

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Is fine to have

lucid dew
#

Yea I’m at 30 now

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Probably stick with this rank 2 stars until I get more resist

slate pilot
#

If you’re not dying or healers dont have to babysit you then you can push it. I’ll be trying HC on my Prot warr tomorrow with 59 corruption

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And i wont drop it unless Im a burden to my group

lucid dew
#

Interesting I’ll jusr have to experiment

strong forum
#

I don't like the ghost chasing you randomly chunking you for 50% of your HP

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And / or rooting you

lucid dew
#

Have we gotten any more insight into the trinkets?

strong forum
#

Kinda MonkaS as tank

round vortex
#

I wouldn’t hit 40. No need

wind garden
#

Yeah 59 corruption means you’re getting hit for 60% of your hp when that thing pops you in the mouth

exotic spoke
#

How the fuck are you guys getting so much corruption

wind garden
#

Not worth imo

slate pilot
#

If you dont take a lot of damage then its whatever with taking 50% chunks. Taking 50% damage is only dangerous If you are also taking a lot of other damage

exotic spoke
#

Is my luck that bad 😦

strong forum
#

Just play the game...

lucid dew
#

I guess I got rank 2 IF on like day 2

tame garden
#

It's ok riki

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We are ethical

strong forum
#

BTW I haven't in 7 days cuz vacation haHAA

tame garden
#

Uncorrupted purists

lucid dew
#

That’s 50 corruption ha

exotic spoke
#

Yes Speg

slate pilot
#

If you’re taking No damage(HC bosses) then you can take chunks of hits without any problem. He asked for the MAX corruption, and its entirely situational is What my point is

exotic spoke
#

The heroic bosses still hurt at times with the magic damage maestro

slate pilot
#

Some HC bosses hit a bit, most dont

exotic spoke
#

Some of them

slate pilot
#

Yeah, so once again its situational. If you’re taking a lot of damage, then taking chunks of damage is not good. If you’re taking low damage then its whatever

tame garden
#

How many have you killed riki

exotic spoke
#

I missed wrathion cause traffic on the way home. But 4. Fun fights though

tame garden
#

Yeah bosses seem chill

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Which ones did you kill after maut/skitra

sullen valve
#

uwu

exotic spoke
#

Skitra, hive mind, maut, and um

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Abelito!

tame garden
#

uwu

exotic spoke
#

Noooooooo

tame garden
#

Did you do soccer boss

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Or doggo maybe

exotic spoke
#

xanesh soccer boss

tame garden
#

That one is so lame to tank

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I want to play soccer

exotic spoke
#

I played soccer

tame garden
#

:0

strong forum
#

You mean the boss where 1 person can solo the soccer game but 3 people constantly fail cuz they're retarded?

exotic spoke
#

We had OTs do it

tame garden
#

Yes that one nome

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We took 10 pulls to kill it LMAO

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That's gonna be a shitshow for us on mythic

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I just afk dpsed the boss

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Guess offtanks can play soccer tho

exotic spoke
#

Yeah, current OT can do it

tame garden
exotic spoke
#

Not sure what we’re doing next.

warm plinth
#

You guys are being entirely too loud for this early in the day

tame garden
#

Tonight I pray hivemind drops me the weapon

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Otherwise I may just pug it 5 times to spend every last coin

strong forum
#

This early? Bruh I just came back from the slopes snowboarding, I'm fucking dead

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Ran over an old dude accidentally

exotic spoke
#

I need to pug wrathion this week

strong forum
#

Same riki

tame garden
#

You could come to our alt raid if you weren't alliance πŸ™„

exotic spoke
#

@tame garden that dot hurts. Good thing Dwarf works on it

strong forum
#

I'm herd

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When are you running, I know nothing but want free lewt

tame garden
#

Ur eu tho

strong forum
#

Aaah

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NA bonkcat

tame garden
#

Unluck

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Which dot riki

exotic spoke
#

Ravager dot on hivemind

tame garden
#

Ah

warm plinth
#

I will get carried by alt run. Sign me up

tame garden
exotic spoke
#

Are you inviting yourself Ghash?

warm plinth
#

Yes

tame garden
#

If your alt is 440+ then maybe

warm plinth
#

It’s your alt run

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It’s my main

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But I’m a bad player so it’s kinda like an alt

tame garden
#

O right you dont raid

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Cant guarantee spot but I assume we will have room

scarlet flare
#

my guild wanted to do normal so i get to pug heroic cause things like that make sense >.<

tame garden
#

Feelsbad

shut summit
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😬

exotic spoke
#

Shields coming from trash drop and ilgynoth makes me sad

shut summit
#

Had mind flay corrupt shield drop from trash, then ilgy dropped his too

tame garden
shut summit
exotic spoke
#

Grats sense!

tame garden
#

Sick

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Only loot I got was a tinket

#

Hope tonight is more fruitful

exotic spoke
#

I got a belt and gloves

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5 Ilvl upgrade on gloves but upgrade is upgrade

tame garden
#

Not bad

#

Tbh the trinket isnt terrible it's doing ~8% of my damage in dungeons

strong forum
#

That's alot

tame garden
#

Ye but I'd rather loot that's good for raid early in the tier

#

Guess I can use it in hivemind and vexiona

exotic spoke
#

I like the skitra and hivemind fights the most

#

Get to AoE pump πŸ™‚

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On huvenind

tame garden
#

Did dogshit damage on skitra we were super pepega on the intermissions

#

Next week I'll just pad on an illusion while we figure out the real one

scarlet flare
#

always pad! better than being marker placer XD

weary socket
#

Hey guys how much dps +- should i do on a st fight with a gs of 445?
and can i sim with dungeon slice for m+ stats with raidbots or are there fix stats what i should aim for?

exotic spoke
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It’s really hard to say right now Streich. It’s going to depend a lot on what corruption you use / have, trinkets, etc

strong forum
#

Dungeon slice is not recommended

exotic spoke
#

And sims are only for offense. Typically for m+ I just go defensive and if I’m not dying I can pull bigger

scarlet flare
#

living = bigger pulls = more TC dmg = more dps

strong forum
#

25-28k ST is acceptable, 30-35k is top tier, higher is always great (assuming 0 corruption)

tame garden
#

Streich just look at top logs of warriors with similar ilvl and no corruption for an idea on dps

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Depends on boss as some have downtime

strong forum
#

Corruption skew dps ALOT

left hatch
#

like 1 Tier 2 EV is making me pull ~50k overall πŸ‘€

#

its pretty wild

weary socket
#

hm ok thanks, i do with my warri +-40k dps but with my feral on the same ilvl i do just around 30k

#

EV?

left hatch
#

Echoing Void

tame garden
#

I pull 50k overall with no corruption... in mechagon: junkyard πŸ˜‚

exotic spoke
#

Lol

tame garden
#

Zap op

strong forum
#

Junkyard is for the 'if' ring right

tame garden
#

Yup

strong forum
#

Workshop is the 'then' ring

shut summit
#

Ye

strong forum
#

Aight

#

I'm already dreading when I get home

#

Doing like 6 assaults 7 visions

#

Shitton of dailies

#

Meme+, raid, and all of that on 1 Sunday

#

I cri

tame garden
#

Good luck sir

exotic spoke
#

Going Ham on m+ this weekend / coming week

tame garden
#

Have you done any awakened keys yet

#

I love making routes for it

#

Mdt did a great job implementing the portals

exotic spoke
#

Nope. I’ve done two.

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Yeah? I have to look at it

manic scaffold
#

Whats an awakened key?

sweet summit
#

awakened is the new +10 affix

manic scaffold
#

Ah ok

#

Is it hard?

tame garden
#

I haven't done it in a high key yet

#

But it was super faceroll at 10

#

Blob on high lvl might be scary if you dont do him with last boss, his minions dont fuck around

shut summit
#

Blob ain't too bad

#

Zone in before every1, tell them to wait, get all of them to cast flay on you and reflect all 4

#

Rest group comes in, Los tentacles and they all port stacked, cleave down

tame garden
#

Dont need to kite far, just los is enough to port them?

shut summit
#

Ya

tame garden
#

This is great to know thx

shut summit
#

And reflecting does like 35%? Ish to each one

left hatch
#

Iv been doing blob with bosses 1/2 the time

#

him and the bug are basically free

#

w/o their adds

shut summit
#

Ya

oblique garnet
#

The blob + tank buster are fine to pull with last boss on ad

#

If you dont have enough burst it causes some spice

left hatch
#

also gets the most annoyingly placed obelisks outta the way this week

shut summit
#

Can't wait to watch people try to do last boss of an instance with all 4

#

Will be hilarious

tame garden
#

Omg

#

I could see 3 but 4 will be spicy with the fear dude

exotic spoke
#

Think it’ll be possible eventually?

#

Just take 4 warriors and a shaman. Boom - no fear problem

tame garden
#

True

exotic spoke
#

New meta comp

#

For doing stupid pulls*

tame garden
#

Problem is you dont get to use any obelisks for skips

#

And no shroud in your epic comp

exotic spoke
#

Just mow through everything

#

There are 6 two handers in that group and two shield boys. You’re good to go

tame garden
modern brook
#

Initial thoughts on seasonal?

strong forum
#

Yes

tame garden
#

I love it

#

It's so nice to do pulls without beguiling again

#

And the portals are a fun mechanic to plan around

exotic spoke
#

^^^

warm plinth
#

I haven't done the new affix yet; looking forward to it though

#

Been trying to farm lower keys for corrupted shit but fuck the drop rate is garbage

tame garden
#

Ye 6s dont even seem worth he time

#

Shit just doesnt corrupt

exotic spoke
#

Doing some keys last night. I went to go start the Emissary and it wasn’t there. β€œOh... right.. no emissary any more lol”

tame garden
#

Better off gearing alts or doing pvp this week imo

warm plinth
#

At the rate I'm going, I'll have two 485 titanforges before I get a decent corrupted piece

void gulch
#

does the shield of mechagon is good for war prot ?

warm plinth
#

If it's your highest shield, yes

#

But compared to another shield of equal ilevel, no

void gulch
#

thanks

#

yep thats my new best

tame garden
#

Grats

random urchin
#

I got a socketed mecha shield with leech corruption last night... on my shaman. Warr still rocking a 430 shield 😒

devout ocean
#

What’s everyone using in their 3rd minor? Raid/M+

exotic spoke
#

Do you need corruption resistance?

#

Because that’s a deciding factor

For raid, for the most part so far, I’m going offensive. Whatever sims the highest is what I’m using.

For m+ full defensive is what I usually go. VoP major, aegis, cns, lucid minor. Sphere is another good option as a minor

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But if you’re new to tanking, or recently returning; defensive is usually the better way to go until you get comfortable

crystal dirge
#

do I remember correctly btw that you can equip a mythic and a heroic tier crafted ring together? or is that complete bollocks?

strong forum
#

Iirc no, but you can equip EP mythic ring and NY mythic ring from JC

#

So the 440 from EP JC

  • 470 from nyalotha JC
#

But I don't think you can equip 2 nyalotha jc rings

crystal dirge
#

oki, thanks

exotic spoke
#

You can also get the BoE ring - it comes with a socket

strong forum
#

I've heard it can additionally roll another socket

#

So a 2 socket ring

exotic spoke
#

@tame garden how much would you pay for a shield?

#

It could Nome. I don’t know if they’ve fixed that yet

strong forum
#

Breh

#

Gib

exotic spoke
#

I know someone with that double socketed ring

strong forum
#

Disgusting

exotic spoke
#

Nome, I don’t have it. There’s one listed on the AH. 460

tame garden
#

Yeah we got a double socket ring boe in our clear

#

With void ritual

strong forum
#

10mil gold right there

exotic spoke
#

Think it has TD on the shield. But I’m probably just going to get a mythic shield so don’t care about the TD

strong forum
#

Actually more like 2.5mil

#

But still

tame garden
#

We got super lucky with boes

#

Dropped at least 4 on Tuesday

#

The raid has way too much trash

#

And riki idk I wouldnt pay much for a shield but war is my alt so less important to me

shut summit
strong forum
#

I would pay maybe like 150k for a 460 this week

#

Just to get it over with

#

Next week like 50k, 90k with good corruption

exotic spoke
#

Asking price - 3M for that 460 shield with i think TD

manic scaffold
#

What rank are your cloaks btw?

strong forum
#

Well 7 is max this week

#

So I'd say most people are 7

manic scaffold
#

Ok so im only one behind then

#

I started a week late

#

Is there a cap for the cloak

#

Or is it infinite

tame garden
#

Rank 15

manic scaffold
#

Oh ok

strong forum
#

I've read it's not capped at 15

#

You can still get corruption resistance levels, just not stats or smth like that

analog zinc
#

can you block the n'zoth tentacle void lash

sick sentinel
#

City was it you talking about vex yesterday

shut summit
#

Yes @analog zinc

analog zinc
#

ya hogs

exotic spoke
#

I’m at cloak 6. But will be seven after we run @manic scaffold Going to mess around with masks

sick sentinel
#

Cause I had a raid day yesterday so my feedback might actually mean something now lol I just think yalls kill time was a bit long. It’s like a built in enrage.

#

@analog zinc

shut summit
#

Void lash is like physical and magic at same time

calm glen
#

Are you guys running as prot?

analog zinc
#

7 mins heroic?

sick sentinel
#

Yeah ours was barely over 5

analog zinc
#

damn thats quick

sick sentinel
#

Like 5:20 or something

analog zinc
#

we had zero deaths on the 7m kill

sick sentinel
#

Our men were slamming. Who is your off tank

analog zinc
#

another pwar

sick sentinel
#

Or what rather

tame garden
#

Double b tier theres your problem

exotic spoke
#

@calm glen for horrific visions? Yeah, I’m running in a group as prot

analog zinc
#

yesterday we were 50% of the heroic carapace kills

#

not sure if that's changed

sick sentinel
#

Yeah we have a monk so I basically just have him tank until it hurts in p4 and I take over at low stacks

analog zinc
#

our strategy was to let me take as many stacks as possible then just die

calm glen
#

Do you feel prot contributes a lot to the group? I was starting to gear for fury so I could push more in my visions

analog zinc
#

we killed it a few seconds before i would have died

sick sentinel
#

Seems like it will be the mythic go to strat

calm glen
#

Maybe I’ll try to find a group so I can run prot

exotic spoke
#

I feel a tank adds a lot to the group. Pull big, los the mobs to group them up, cleave a bunch down

#

Basically just running with my m+ group

strong forum
#

Warrior in general doesn't contribute to any raid besides battle shout and commanding shout

#

Oh for visions

#

πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

mystic whale
#

So, very specific question here but maybe someone had the same questioning

sick sentinel
#

And chad personalities

exotic spoke
#

@sick sentinel @analog zinc ahh yes. The old β€œkill yourself save the raid” strategy

mystic whale
#

I got Faralos, Empire's Dream, but the effect is a really dissapointing amount of DPS

strong forum
#

Yes

mystic whale
#

Does speccing out of devastator to spam devastate pump out more dps with that thing ?

#

since it really triggers every 30 offensive casts

exotic spoke
#

@strong forum disagree. We have externals to grant for the other tank every 15 seconds

sick sentinel
#

Are you implying I take safeguard

#

If so how dare you

strong forum
#

Never played safeguard in my life

#

Tbh

exotic spoke
#

Why wouldn’t you for raid or high keys?

#

Depending on comp*

strong forum
#

πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

mystic whale
#

because bounding stride

strong forum
#

Never bothered, and bounding yes

mystic whale
#

have you seen the amount of mobility needed in Nyalotha ?

#

its crazy, almost makes me want to go back veng DH

#

the arenas are always huge

exotic spoke
#

Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

#

Safe guarding squishies in high m+ is good.

strong forum
#

Never even considered that tbh

lucid dew
#

Is sphere worth farming for 15 keys?

strong forum
#

If you need the Haste, yes

exotic spoke
#

^*

mystic whale
#

anyone got Faralos, Empire's Dream yet ?

exotic spoke
#

I run with a spriest. We figured out, for our comp, safeguard was necessary in some high keys due to unavoidable damage

novel agate
#

i have it @mystic whale

sick sentinel
#

Safeguard to protect WEAK players riki

mystic whale
#

I wonder if its worth speccing out of devastator

#

because right now it does such a disappointing amount of damage

novel agate
#

i use it in m+ so i am runnin booming voice. in m+ it does about 8-12% of my overal damage

#

i wouldnt really count on it for single target tho

#

so maybe get a second one, and have one cleansed

mystic whale
#

yeah I guess it's a M+ thing without devastator

sick sentinel
#

Devastator is better for ST damage, BV is generally better though because it provides offensive and defensive benefit. Know your limits and weigh the tradeoffs is the only advice I can give you

#

I have it, and run booming. On heroic prophet it did ~5% of my damage.

mystic whale
#

@sick sentinel check out Faralos' corruption effect

#

it triggers every 30 offensive cast

#

if you have devastator it removes the only spammable skill we have

sick sentinel
#

What’s the corruption effect called

mystic whale
#

searing breath I think ?

sick sentinel
#

Ah

#

Yes

#

I’m not changing my talents for it. Especially at this point in a tier. Doesn’t really appear worth it imo cause you’ll still proc it with BV

mystic whale
#

well its clear that to maximise its output you need to use not-devastator

#

im just wondering if devastator just does straight up more dps

strong forum
#

I would think devastator does proc it

#

Since it is an offensive cast

#

That just happens to proc on your auto

long ermine
#

is it just me or does the Void Ritual proc... kinda suck? I'm debating cleansing it

strong forum
#

It does indeed suck compared to dmg procs

#

But it's better than no corruption at all

#

And prolly good at t3 once the dmg procs have been nerfed

#

Since it'll be like 600 stats of all secondaries at t3 or smth

tame garden
#

Ye I wouldnt cleanse anything yet

#

There may be more tuning on the way

#

Hopefully

novel agate
#

honestly i like the damage corruptions, they just need to bring the stat ones up to be more inline. but i know blizzard wont do that

exotic spoke
#

@sick sentinel he pumps. Just doesn’t have a lot of defensives if fights take a while. Please see Crawg in high tyrannical URs

lilac meteor
#

Hey, is their already a spreadsheet about abilities to block or counterspell for Nyalotha? πŸ˜„

limpid pawn
#

So I did 15 kings rest yesterday

#

Shadow of zuul was ridiculous

strong forum
#

That's a beefy weekly key

#

Why do that of all dungeons available

limpid pawn
#

Because of no options

#

It was that or tol tagor

strong forum
#

πŸ‘€

limpid pawn
#

I still have my 15 TD

strong forum
#

If you're pugging just do some other, but either way, yes zul slaps

limpid pawn
#

Maybe I can sell a carry for it

#

He killed me when we got him to 20% and I got brezzed

strong forum
#

Ye sounds about right in a pug

#

He does many shlap

#

Especially on fort

limpid pawn
#

Awakened seems like it adds much more time for some of these dungeons

#

Like for kings rest, how many packs can you realistically skip? One?

random urchin
#

I offered up my 15 key to run with guildies so they can get a 475 on reset. Got stuck with a 15 KR as well, really not looking forward to it.

limpid pawn
#

Clench your butt cheeks friend

#

Zuul has a present for you

random urchin
#

Yeah...

strong forum
#

On King's rest you can skip entire bridge to 3rd boss

#

And then take the portal back

#

Take 2nd Portal to zul

limpid pawn
#

Entire last bridge?

strong forum
#

Yes there's 2 obelisks before Bridge afaik

#

So you take 1 to 3rd boss, then take same Portal back, take new obelisk to zul

limpid pawn
#

How do you attain the % required ?

exotic spoke
#

@limpid pawn how’d that nerf to Zul feel.

It was just what was needed right? Really am glad they didn’t nerfed his damage

random urchin
#

if only we could use an obelisk to get past zul 😒

strong forum
#

Well, just.. Get it? There's like 130% if you clear bridge

limpid pawn
#

Maybe I’m too much of a noob here lol, but it seems like I never have enough until we kill everything except one pack on last bridge

tame garden
#

Are you skipping golems at start

#

Do all 4 together

limpid pawn
#

Ah...

#

There we go

random urchin
#

Usually am close to, or at full count when we get to bridge

limpid pawn
#

Next time I’ll do that

strong forum
#

What rawful said

limpid pawn
#

I am skipping 2 golems

strong forum
#

And don't those obelisks give count too

tame garden
#

Very little count

limpid pawn
#

Riki the zuul nerf doesn’t seem like it helped , but I think there was no nerf because my butt got pummeled

tame garden
#

Like 4? Count I think per

strong forum
#

7% nerf to zul HP πŸ™ƒ

#

Clearly enough

limpid pawn
#

I was typing for this dude to drop darkness

#

But azralon

#

I have google translate open in my second window

#

But it’s not quick lol

#

Second monitor

strong forum
#

Well you learned a lesson

#

Never pug

limpid pawn
#

But I love pugs dude

strong forum
mental scarab
#

Leech meme on the Rise

strong forum
mental scarab
#

10% now

#

MOHAHAHAHAAH

limpid pawn
#

for my fourth essence im using sphere, it's so godly

strong forum
#

About 90% too little

mental scarab
#

Yea

#

I know

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😭

strong forum
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I recently did a 110% leech 100% reflect build in divinity original sin 2

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That was fun

chilly brook
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@strong forum such a good game

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I picked up a second copy of it on the switch

mental scarab
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πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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Damn

errant oriole
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hey everyone so who went prot war vulpera?

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πŸ˜›

tame garden
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Me

strong forum
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160 hrs on it,
116hrs 1st play through 2 man 4 character
Rest 2nd playthrough 2 man 2 characters lonewolf
πŸ‘Œ

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I may unlock vulpera on weekend

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And meme on it

errant oriole
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racially you guys thinkt heir worth it?

strong forum
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Nah

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Troll / BE better

errant oriole
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atm im a zandalari

tame garden
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No dont go vulpera for racials it's bad

wooden radish
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@ionic fern what is your opinion on how WoW translates languages? its a critical issue of the day that demands you provide a public opinion

tame garden
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Go vulpera for bis tmog

errant oriole
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what do you mean BIS tmog? lol

slim pier
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:kekw

ionic fern
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Plz no @wooden radish

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πŸ˜‚

tame garden
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Dont race change for racials, race change if you like how they look

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Tmog = transmog

ionic fern
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I just made my troll druid into Kul'tiran.

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Bald obv.

wooden radish
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@ionic fern :kekw:

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its ok

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that item translates to mwahis suck

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kekw

ionic fern
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What else is new.

wooden radish
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did you clear normal

ionic fern
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Wait, busy wiping on HC.,

errant oriole
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ok @tame garden i admit the tmog looks awesome lol

tame garden
faint cove
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Any of y’all mythic raiding as tank? How you dealing with the damage anything extra for the magic or just same ole build and be tough.

wooden radish
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@ionic fern has some tips

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go ahead @ionic fern

left hatch
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For most of the magic tank busters you have spell reflect to mitigate

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And its more than sufficient

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But havnt seen shadar or further yet

tame garden
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Would likely be crush tank on shadhar anyways

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As a warrior

wooden radish
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yes

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warrior as dissolve tank yikes

strong forum
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Demo/ip/sr/SW are all great tools to midigate magic dmg

exotic spoke
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Dark iron is amazing - personal opinion.

warm plinth
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^ this tbh

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Regular dorf boi is okay too

exotic spoke
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Watching monk Ot (NElf for m+) get the stacking bleed from ravager and die last night. Then I take second stack and dwarf it off was soooooo nice

left hatch
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I really like DA for m+ too... makes KR berserkers and necrotic trivial

limpid pawn
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should I race change to volpeera is this the thing to do now?

rough egret
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What Essences you recomend me for the raid guys?

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I was kinda forced to tank today

tame garden
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Vision major, conflict/null/formless minor

rough egret
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Ty

manic scaffold
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is the trinket that drops from wrathion any good

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?

left hatch
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yes very

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lower haste value but way higher uptime than rezans

manic scaffold
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ok

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i have a 430 rezan but i wasnt sure if it was better

left hatch
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from what iv heard (don't have one yet) its on par with an equal ilvl rezans

warm plinth
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🐻 alert

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πŸ‘€

tame garden
inland mesa
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heroic was a warrior nothing felt the least bit scary tanking. We'll see on mythic

warm plinth
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You get any good loot for me Chew?

inland mesa
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what was scary was how many times we died to soccer boss as people clearly didn't get the concept or prep at all 😒

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all I've gotten so far is 460 boots to upgrade my 455. We got a shield but they gave it to a shaman as it had rank 3 tendrils on it for like 10k extra dps lol

warm plinth
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Nice

inland mesa
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I also have a 455 shield though, and rank 3 IS

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time to make a mythic trash farm group week 1 to get a shield, because dear lord there is so much trash in this instance

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at one point we had spent like 30 mins on trash trying to get to a boss

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but also trying to levitate skip everything XD

tame garden
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Yeah it's a bit absurd how much trash is in this raid

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Clearing in 1 night will be a marathon

warm plinth
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Nothing skippable?

inland mesa
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you can try to death skip, but like every other pack has see invis mobs

warm plinth
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Just have full nelf group for MDI raid strats

strong forum
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There's some skips I've seen on method splits

inland mesa
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I should probably be watching those, but first week of classes....I've answered 300 emails since Tuesday and still have 120 in queue, and appointments every 30 mins 😒

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corruption is such a worse system than tf

strong forum
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Emails

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πŸ‘€

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Blizzard employee discovered

inland mesa
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I'd like to formally apologize for the shit show that is corruption

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but no, college professor and advisor D:

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start of the semester is hell

strong forum
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How old are you

inland mesa
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are you asking me out? πŸ˜„

strong forum
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Hah im too young to ask out a professor

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Unless you're a milf

inland mesa
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my wife is

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if you count fur children

strong forum
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😏

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Kek

warm plinth
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OKSkyhold

tame garden
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πŸ˜‚

strong forum
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Ghash no longer the boomer

inland mesa
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I'm not old enough to be technically a boomer, so you still win Ghash

strong forum
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Woah

warm plinth
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I'm not old enough to be a boomer either

strong forum
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Smurt goi

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Professor non boomer

warm plinth
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I'm not even on the edge lol

strong forum
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Ye you're a millennial

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I'm on the very edge of being a zoomer pepsihands

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According to urban dictionary

warm plinth
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You're just a lil guy huh

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I'm assuming zoomer is the people after millenials

strong forum
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I think so

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Not up to date with all those bullshit thingies

warm plinth
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Me neither

strong forum
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There's like boomer millennial zoomer gen z

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Or some bullshit

warm plinth
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You're missing a generation lul

strong forum
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Am I