protection

[warm plinth]

They already said it was going to be done after this patch

[mortal brook]

I like the 20% move food. def very noticable

[chilly brook]

Ah didn't know they made a statement on that

[mortal brook]

into unknown, possibly similar system. who knows

[chilly brook]

At this point I think they're hopefully realizing just how much better and easier tier sets were

[mortal brook]

my only gripe about tier sets was being 177th in line for conq gear. personal loot could fix that np

[chilly brook]

Or at least that's my fantasy

But it's also Ion so who knows

[mortal brook]

:iongry:

[sharp sable]

just returning to game after awhile off. how is brewmaster compared to warrior and DH for M+ tanking

[chilly brook]

Worse than warrior, better than DH not worse enough to make much of a difference tbh

[sick sentinel]

I'd say worse than both now

DH with echoing void is actually insane

and they are way tanky with glut/vision build

so they made up their damage they lost

[mortal brook]

yup. a tier 1 was like 20~25% of my cotank's dmg

ST, 5m

[left hatch]

that.... makes me very tempted to equip my 420 gloves that rolled it

[ionic fern]

No point not to.

They will do more DPS than w/e you got there currently without corruption.

[left hatch]

id need to cleanse the prot weapon to do it

think that would still be worth?

[left hatch]

oh dang haha

guess so

[ionic fern]

It looks wonky tho.

I'm not 100% sure if SearingFlames is implemented correctly in SIMC currently.

As in does it do AoE damage or not.

I doubt it.

@left hatch

[left hatch]

hmm ok

if nothing else EV kicks its butt in ST

[left hatch]

7k not too shabby

is that tier 3 though?

[ionic fern]

Everything that's possible there is t2.

[left hatch]

so exactly the tier i rolled lol

goodbye searing flames 😄

[ionic fern]

Tbh i'd wait a bit.

Since they will probably still balance things before mythic

Might see EV nerfs.

@left hatch

[manic cypress]

Friends, can any of the professional friendly prot warriors this tier advice me if the bis azerite traits are same for raid and m+ as it was in 8.2 for 8.3? Mwahi in looking at u again.. or anyone that can help plz

[mortal brook]

I'd wear a world quest 415 with EV, tbh

[ionic fern]

Stop looking at me. I'm a introvert.

[left hatch]

It's exactly the same as 8.2

[ionic fern]

^

HoD stacking seems good tho.

👀

[mortal brook]

any mechadungeon azerite trump 8.3 stuff?

[left hatch]

their rings do at least

[mortal brook]

for sure

[manic cypress]

@ionic fern hi boss how r u

[mortal brook]

think the chest is comparable for tankadin but outside of that, all the same 😄 makes it nice

[left hatch]

you can't get mechadungeon stuff at a decent ilvl anyway

[manic cypress]

Thx morrison

[mortal brook]

its from azerite vendor now yeah?

[left hatch]

just checked Azerite vendor and they didn't add them ):

[mortal brook]

oh heck, rip me then

just rings haha

[left hatch]

i could be misremembering but didnt it have bracers with a nice damage proc

[ionic fern]

Yes.

1m CD.

iirc

[mortal brook]

for the parry wrists?

[ionic fern]

Jeap

[left hatch]

well thats something too 😄

[ionic fern]

Hello Obama.

[manic cypress]

So can i just go for
3x bom
3x dc
3x op

Again for m+ and raid?

[ionic fern]

No.

Not 3x DC.

1xDC

[left hatch]

stacking DC was season 2

ideal world you'll want 2 MS

IF and BFI also ok choices

[mortal brook]

did you see they hotfixed capes to not drop from m+ end of dungeon now?

[ionic fern]

RF.

[mortal brook]

JK, only the trashmaster one

[manic cypress]

Wait m+ and raid same?
Coz i see them tlakin about engineering helm for m+

[left hatch]

thats for M+

[mortal brook]

if that's your highest ilvl, sure

[left hatch]

raid BFI is a little better than BoM

cause dat block value

[manic cypress]

So in othet words
3x bom
1x dc
2x MS
For 8.3 raid and m+

Does the 3rd ring matter much? Is OP impt?

[ionic fern]

It depends what do you want.
For m+ it's 3xBoM1xDC2xMS(or IF)
For raids DPS wise it should be
BfI/RF/OP etc.

[left hatch]

OP and UF very stronk

[ionic fern]

The 3rd ring has some decent options so it does matter.

[left hatch]

and the engi helm is talked about because its an easy way to get early mythic quality helm

[manic cypress]

Raid defensive wise is just m+ one with IF?

[left hatch]

its ok trait but by no means BiS

Raid defensive values BFI over BoM defensively

idk if theres a set in stone BiS for it

[manic cypress]

Thx mwahi and morrison, i'll go check the azerite drops but will likely prioritise trinket and wep for rolls for now

Ok

[ionic fern]

I haven't bothered with a "bis defensive list".
Bis defensive = play decently.

[manic cypress]

I always thought stacking dc was good.. i guess 1 is good to go

[mortal brook]

mostly for Reaping memes really

[tidal mortar]

what is ms?

[left hatch]

it was very strong in Season 2

[mortal brook]

meticulous scheming

[ionic fern]

Meticulous Scheming

CAPITAL LETTERS @mortal brook

[left hatch]

but the nerf to Unstoppable Force made it drop off in value hard

and yah reaping means less giga pulls

[mortal brook]

CapItAL leTters @mortal brook

im still missing 3 elites in uldum. not sure if theyre a trigger spawn or not

[manic cypress]

Ok i will work towards

3x bom
1xdc 2x ms
3x op/uf

With a raid set that includes some bfi or if in exchange.

Thx guys

[left hatch]

i finagled my corruption around

38 total

Searing Flames and tier 2 EV

😄

[manic cypress]

I just know im gonna run into azerite trait vs ilvl simming

[left hatch]

time to big pump

[mortal brook]

t2 ev D:

[low gust]

So what do you guys think about the tank trinkets in Ny’alotha? Will they be bis like the ones from EP or will we go back to dps trinkets

[left hatch]

as of right now the Nzoth trinket is stupid good IN raid

cause of the additional scaling makes the absorb stupid big

[ionic fern]

Wat?

It's "up to 15%".

[mortal brook]

95% dr until 18k or whatever is 20x that 18k

on a 1m. boosted by bear mastery/ brm CF.

unless that 15% is multiplicative rather than additive to the 80%

then yeah its shit

[left hatch]

from what i was hearing that extra 15% increase turns the 100k absorb into upwards of 400k on a 1m cd

[ionic fern]

🤔

[mortal brook]

18k absorb

but yeah 400k-ish on 1m

[left hatch]

at the 80% it becomes 100k

allegedly

i am not a mathboi

[mortal brook]

ah, yeah, that maths. I'm awake

@left hatch i've got mechadungeon stuff on my azerite vendor

[left hatch]

hmmm must have skimmed over it, but i coulda sworn it only had the usual 6 for each slot and the icons for the old dungeon pieces

[mortal brook]

shoulders and chest. no helm tho

[sick sentinel]

is this good?

[sleek gulch]

Hey guys for engineering helm, would you rather take Barrage of Many Bombs, Relational Normalization Gizmo, or Synaptic Spark Capacitor for M+ focus?

for comparison. thinking the bombs for pure throughput

[wheat talon]

so in the dungeon journal, a 455 psychic shell shields up to 14k damage

...is that a bug?

[left hatch]

no thats right

[wheat talon]

is there something I'm missing?

[left hatch]

it reduces your damage taken by 80% until that amount is soaked

so the heroic version in reality soaks 100k

[wheat talon]

oh so you can take one hit huge because of it?

[left hatch]

and with corruption res it scales upwards of 400k absorb

no you can take 8s of hits

or until its absorbed

DR happens before absorbs

so 18k after an 80% reduction

is the same as a 100k absorb with no DR

[wheat talon]

oh

the psychic shell is after the 80%

[left hatch]

yes

[wheat talon]

and any other reductions

[left hatch]

yes

[wheat talon]

oh that makes sense

[left hatch]

its stupid good in raid because with 30 Corruption resistance

the heroic trinket becomes a ~400k absorb

on a 1m cd

[wheat talon]

goddamn

[left hatch]

but the other consideration is by the time you get to nzoth you probably do'nt need defensive trinkets anymore in raid

[wheat talon]

what does the "by up to 15%" mean then

[left hatch]

that 80% can be increased to 95%

[wheat talon]

oh

[left hatch]

why the effective absorb increases

[wheat talon]

oh that's really deceptive

but I get it

[left hatch]

i wouldn't call it deceptive, its just worded in a way that assumes people know what takes precedence with incoming damage

would be silly if your absorbs got consumed before being reduced from having SB/SW etc up ):

[wheat talon]

I never would have in my wildest dreams imagined that the mentioned 15% gets added to the mentioned 80%, meaning that the "15%" they talk about actually cuts your damage by 75%

it's deceptive to say "reduced up to 15%" when you actually mean that the resultant damage will be 25%

[sharp night]

you were just overthinking it, the simplest way to interpret "further increased by up to 15%" is just adding it to the base

[wooden flicker]

Hey ! Last time I played at 8.1 as heal, now I’m back in WoW and wanna be war tank. What I need to farm first of all ? Big ty for answer! :C

Besides neck ilvl ofc

[low gust]

Essences are a new thing since 8.2 and a major part of the gameplay

[sleek gulch]

@wooden flicker Do Operation: Mechagon - Workshop on heroic twice in a row (and the intro to Mechagon until you unlock PASCAL, and a little bit of mechagon island material farming), do your Islands weekly fill-the-bar quest and the followup mission table quest it gives, work on Nazjatar rep to revered and getting a Nazjatar ally up to level 10, and do the weekly major assault+bi-weekly minor assault in either Uldum or Vale of Eternal Blossoms respectively, as well as the mini-vision daily quest in the major assault zone

This will give you tons to do and give you some important, easy to get essences

Try to run some +6's this week if you want as well

[winged grail]

Psyche Shredder’s on-equip effect can now only be triggered by spells.

Are our abilities considered as spells for the purpose of this?

I.e. do they only exclude autoattacks, or anything that is not casted?

[fossil spindle]

Does Anima Of Life affect EV damage?

[sweet summit]

Yes, but its still a very bad minor

[fossil spindle]

Thanks

[glossy oar]

how does lingering sporepods trinket at ilvl 445 stack up against bloodthirsty urchin at ilvl 430?

[sweet summit]

430 urchin>460 sporepods xd

[glossy oar]

urchin that good?

[sweet summit]

That and sporepods is that bad

[glossy oar]

ah

[haughty briar]

yo guys do you know what "requiments" I need to get into the HC Darkshore warfront? Im unable to pick up the quest

[gentle trellis]

So I just got a T3 TD piece out of my assault cache. This is fun. Can't wait to try it in M+ and make the dps run for their money

[strong forum]

It has low proc rate but kinda fun the corruption effects are gonna slap you though

[hollow depot]

td has a massive proc rate not low at all

2 or 3 times a pack almost on every pack from the warrior i was running with

[strong forum]

It's 1rppm

Soo. Yeh

[ionic fern]

Love me some random moving lazor that pulls extra packs.

[gentle trellis]

if you know how to position, then you´re fine. the proc rate is fine imo and if that thing crits on a big pull... oh boi

[ionic fern]

"if you know how to position". We had that thing go BEHIND the person who used it yesterday pulling a pack we just skipped.

[gentle trellis]

i hope you did a bug report then 😉

[tired hawk]

Hello everyone, I would like to know : when do we prefer using vers gems/enchants(rings) instead of haste one ?

I actually have 17% crit, 23% haste, 29% mast, 10% vers

(so 42% haste with 5 stacks Into the Fray)

[ionic fern]

DPS wise - sim yourself (www.raidbots.com)
M+ wise : Ilvl->Haste/crit->Vers/mastery
Raid defensive wise: Ilvl->Haste->Vers->Mastery->Crit.

[strong forum]

TD can proc into every direction and can completely miss your target in ST, its giga random.

[ionic fern]

Also it can completely scare the shit out of you. 😒

Imagine being in WM and having a big ass laser suddenly appear behind you.

[strong forum]

Yup

When I first saw it proc in a HV I was like wtf is this

[ionic fern]

I kited it. 👀

[strong forum]

[limpid pawn]

how bad is warrior as a nyalotha tank right now

haven't stepped in there yet, but going to this weekend

[ionic fern]

Why would warriors be bad? 👀

[drowsy veldt]

Got the avoidance corruption on a ring 16% of my haste gave me 8% think this is good?

[sick sentinel]

its good

[limpid pawn]

because of unblockable/magic damage screwing us?

[ionic fern]

We got plenty of other tools to deal with it. 🤷

[sick sentinel]

well you got lots of other stuff

[limpid pawn]

I just saw some ranking videos and it seems like they rank warrior pretty low

compared to the other tanks

[ionic fern]

Ugh, ranking videos.

[sick sentinel]

good and low cooldown cds you can use

[limpid pawn]

lol

[ionic fern]

[sick sentinel]

who gave the ranking bad let me guess dratnos?

[vocal skiff]

So, in the past, we usually valued specific prot azerite traits

Instead of generic ones

[drowsy veldt]

I can make a ranking video and rank them #1 in everything the. We win

[vocal skiff]

But what about Clockwork Heart?

There's nothing in the guide yet

[sick sentinel]

oh well no matter what for heroic raid anything is more then enough for mythic raiding same aswell

it only becomes really important for rank1 progression or really high key push

[ionic fern]

@limpid pawn there are some unblockable things in the raid indeed we have plenty of other tools to deal with them including SW/DS/IP/LS/Healer Externals.
When it comes to magic damage - all the tanks struggle with it not only Warriors and yet again..SW/DS/IP/SR/Healer Externals.

Unless you are pushing for world 50 rankings in kills it won't matter which tank you play as long as you play it decently.

Plus ofc trinkets/essences that you can use when needed.

[sick sentinel]

complety off-topic that cinematic was so bad

[ionic fern]

What cinematic?

[sick sentinel]

nyalotha ending

[ionic fern]

Oh, haven't checked it yet.

[sick sentinel]

it was a ingame cutscene

check it out its like 1min long anyway

i didnt expected much but

it still was bad xd

[still flame]

Can King Mechagon drop more than 1 Progression Sprocket (the piece needed for Vision of Perfection Rank 3) per week?

[Important to note that he does drop it in Heroic dungeons if you have other people who just need to run it quick]

[sick sentinel]

@still flame if you do hardmode yes it drops 2

so rather then 4 weeks it takes only 2 weeks if you do it hardmode 2 weeks

[still flame]

lol crap. well i did 1 on Heroic. so if I do the dungeon on Mythic 0 would it still drop 2 of them?

I need to get a key anyway so that might work out

[vocal skiff]

I think it's a guaranteed drop in m+, isn't it

So you could spam it

[still flame]

o so you can get it to drop more than once or twice a week?

I tried doing Heroic Mechagon a couple times last week and it only dropped the first time

[foggy wing]

Any1 here that got corruption gear from mplus? Been spamming mplus al day and saw nothing

[ionic fern]

I've seen some pieces. It's a pretty low chance and that's fine. 🤷

Just like tf/wf was.

[vocal skiff]

Update: prog sprocket is not a guaranteed drop in m+

So sad

[foggy wing]

Fair enough

[exotic spoke]

Morning Prot chat

[tame garden]

Morning prot cuties

[exotic spoke]

Awww hi Speg

[tame garden]

Nyalotha has too much trash

😡

[upbeat sigil]

^^

[exotic spoke]

Yeah I was in there last night

Self Zing

[tame garden]

Feel like I spent more time clearing trash than fighting bosses

Tho we did get multiple boes

[mental scarab]

How was the dmg taken on herioc for prot warriors?

[exotic spoke]

Doing heroic tonight. I only did normal since it was an offnight raid

The ilyganoth bug was great though /s

[still flame]

@vocal skiff oh no! but it can drop 2 of them in M+? can it drop only once a week?

[warm plinth]

Only the first time each week is guaranteed. People have reported getting it via heroic as a random drop after the initial drop each week. The only consistent way to get two sprockets is to do hard mode first thing that week.

[shut summit]

Was fine @mental scarab

[exotic spoke]

They changed the rewards for daily quests. More rep, more coalescing visions, and warmode bonuses work again

You’ll be able to pretty easily get 4 horrific visions a week and could farm for a 5th

From what I hear

Allegedly daily visions too - so you can get more runs if you’re enjoying them or to help catch up

[limber pagoda]

should i alway enchant haste on ring?!

[exotic spoke]

Always is a strong word. Haste is the safe bet defensively yes.

If you’re going for damage you’re going to probably go with crit. But it could vary based on sims

[limber pagoda]

ok kool

[still flame]

which two should I be using?

thanks for the update @warm plinth

[exotic spoke]

Probably rezans and ritual feather

As general all around trinkets

[still flame]

Thanks!

[warm plinth]

Looks like 250 visions and 125 rep each daily now. Pretty nice!

[oblique garnet]

almost worth doing now

[novel agate]

they buff the rep too!?

[warm plinth]

Yep

[novel agate]

thank god.

[warm plinth]

Tbh there's only been like

2 dailies that I was annoyed at

One was the writs quest in Uldum and the other is the rares quest because sometimes it's impossible to find rares

[novel agate]

i just couldnt stand the 75 rep at a time.

[analog zinc]

i'm having a bit of trouble tanking vexiona

my sims say vop minor does more dmg than lucid minor

but is it better defensively?

[manic scaffold]

They buffed how many visions you get?

:O

[tired shadow]

445 Rezan's Gleaming Eye / 400 Refracting Prism / 440 Jes howler. Should I use Eye + Jes?

[mental scarab]

@shut summit good to knoiw ^^

[exotic spoke]

The changes to visions mean you can very easily get 4.5 runs a week. Catching up and still saving to bank the maximum amount is very easy now

[sick sentinel]

What’s killing you @analog zinc

[exotic spoke]

Oh, the dragon @analog zinc ?

I’m going to be it’s the stacking dot that doesn’t go away

[sick sentinel]

The void corruption?

@exotic spoke

[exotic spoke]

I guess. Can you dodge her breath?

Did normal last night and got to like 50 stacks from the breath alone. Didn’t care it wasn’t hurting too badly. But uh, I think in heroic or mythic thatlll be different

[sick sentinel]

Mythic a lot of these bosses will require really good play

[exotic spoke]

Missed the first three fights. Did up to ilgynoth. Couldn’t kill Ilgynoth though because we kept getting bugged pulls where ilgynoth gets to 1 HP and doesn’t transition

[analog swift]

Any of you guys now how heroic lockouts work?

Wait I remember thanks all ily

[sick sentinel]

On Il’gynoth you have to hold dps until his energy reaches 100. My understanding is that it is intended

We had the same issue, but it won’t be an issue on mythic or heroic if I had to guess

[analog zinc]

killed it

[sick sentinel]

Will find out tonight if/when we get there

[analog zinc]

by the end of the fight i had a 300k/3s dot

0 death kill too

[sick sentinel]

I believe you can clear your stacks with the orb ye? Or are we thinking different stacks

[analog zinc]

ye

but ther's only 3 orbs that spawn thruought the fight

none more spawn in p4

& the 3rd add didn't even spawn

so i had an extra 30~ stacks at the end of the fight

[sick sentinel]

We didn’t have any issues, our experience was the orb stuck around for a while so we took 25-30 stacks before clearing

[analog zinc]

yeah i couldn't clear it in p4

so i ended the phase at 71 stacks

[sick sentinel]

I think it may be a built in dps check

I see what you are saying

[analog zinc]

that being said

the best main tank there

is a full turtle vdh

[sick sentinel]

I always play normal/heroic full turtle because it is irrelevant content

Heroic parsing is dead to me

[analog zinc]

i parsed a 17 🙂

boss tank btw

EV was 23% of my dmg

[sick sentinel]

IMAGINE HAVING GOOD CORRUPTION

[warm plinth]

Imagine having any corruption 😄

[sick sentinel]

I am wearing my avoidance proudly

@analog zinc what is your kill time for vex

[ionic fern]

Parses currently mean literally nothing. It's just "Who has the best corruption RNG".

😒

[sick sentinel]

I have no corruption and hit the 95 mwahi

What is my excuse

[ionic fern]

No on cares about 95 parses, smh.

99-100 or go home.

[sick sentinel]

I meant to say 99

😎

jk I am bad

But you knew that

How much do y’all reckon a mythic boe shield with corruption will cost me

[warm plinth]

875 billion gold

approximately

[sick sentinel]

I will pay the gold cap

Do t make me

[analog zinc]

7 min vex kill

[sick sentinel]

There’s your problem

Ours was sub 4 mins

[analog zinc]

jesus how

[warm plinth]

Because Hawgz is an elitist jerk and thus I'm sure his guild is also elitist jerks

[sick sentinel]

If we are talking heroic I will let you know when I actually have a raid night lol we just did normal on off night

[tired hawk]

is it a good shield ? sorry for the language, but I think you can understand what it is in general

[analog swift]

I see "d'infliger"

[exotic spoke]

@sick sentinel wait, the orb that does the giant beam clears stacks?

[analog swift]

not sure if that's infinite stars

[exotic spoke]

I see 460

I say yes

[tired hawk]

inflige is "deals"

[exotic spoke]

@ionic fern do you forgive me please?

[tired hawk]

it's about dmg

[analog swift]

looks good

BiS

got rank 3 twilight devesation

[tired hawk]

ok ty

[ionic fern]

No.-

[exotic spoke]

Pretty please? Look at my pfp doesn’t it make you smile and laugh?

[ionic fern]

I'm not one for laughs.

[exotic spoke]

That’s bears after thinking they had a chance after seeing Maut with Brambles

Look. We can do it.... Nope

[analog zinc]

yeah 7m heroic kill

[chilly brook]

Maut wasn't even that bad tbh

Skitra tho

Like wadu

100% magical

[exotic spoke]

No, it wasn’t that it was bad for them on Maut

It’s that brambles had a bugged interaction with the boss which created an infinite loop of damage

[chilly brook]

Lmao

Oof

[analog zinc]

@sick sentinel our normal kill was 4:26

skitra is a joke

wow 100% magic damage

when none of it hurts

what ever will you do

[chilly brook]

It hurts when you're at 8 stacks 😛

[analog zinc]

no it doesn't

[exotic spoke]

Oh shit. We hard modes that and uh, didn’t have the tanks grab the orbs and reset stacks

[analog zinc]

wym?

which boss?

[chilly brook]

Idk man skitra was doing some decent damage around 8+ stacks in heroic

[exotic spoke]

Vexiona

Actually listening to the fights on fat boss before doing heroic

[analog zinc]

if you're taking like 300% shadow dmg it does itch but like

why are you doing that

are you doing some solo tank shit

[exotic spoke]

It was normal we were screwing around lol

[analog zinc]

i was taking 7 stacks on heroic

even when taking 7 stacks & like 40 stacks of the intermission shit

[exotic spoke]

I got up to 60 on normal lol

[analog zinc]

it couldn't break an IP

[chilly brook]

It was breaking my IP wadu

[exotic spoke]

I like to see what I can take early on and gauge fight

I missed wrathion / Maut / skitra

[chilly brook]

But uh idk I was grabbing the boss at like 6 stacks but sometimes it'd be 11 before I got a swap

Taunts were also kinda sketch on the doggo

[tame garden]

My cotank killed himself on doggo lmao

[chilly brook]

Mine would have if he wasn't a bdk

[tame garden]

Taunted back for 2nd crush after he already has dissolve in p3

Ded monk

[chilly brook]

And I would have died a few times if I didn't have all my CDs available

He had over 111k dtps

[tame garden]

Wtf

[chilly brook]

No joke

[tame garden]

That's more than both our tanks combined

[chilly brook]

97 percentile healing for himself with over 60k lmao

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7jJmZv3fNBGM1KAn/#fight=38&type=damage-taken

[tame garden]

Why tho

[chilly brook]

Because messed up taunts

[tame garden]

You didnt even take that little damage either

He just took 2x more than normal

[chilly brook]

Like I said messed up taunts lol

[tame garden]

We had 2 messed up taunts

Did yall mess up every single one

[chilly brook]

Probably

I started saying to wait or take but it didn't really matter

[tame garden]

Your poor healers lol

[analog zinc]

w8 @tame garden you're raiding with malicious?

i was in that guild in the start of EP

[tame garden]

No that's griff

[chilly brook]

I'm trialing with them not speg 😛

[analog zinc]

oh ok

i'd love to rejoin them but i kinda fucked them over when i left

[exotic spoke]

Sounds like you’re not rejoining then

RIp

[tame garden]

Lmao

[analog zinc]

seems like they burn through tanks

i've never heard of either of you

[chilly brook]

That tends to happen with the size of servers and the fact that most content is cross realm 🙃

[exotic spoke]

I’m not there 🙂

[chilly brook]

Tbh, idk about this patch

[analog zinc]

well like

they burnt through SO many tanks

they started the tier with scythus & mackav, drunge taking a break

scythus left week 1

drunge was in there

i was third tank

i left

drunge took a break, they picked up some monk

now none of them are there

anyway, we 4 shot h raden, easier fight than expected

[gentle trellis]

Just did my first +10 FH this season and walked out with 42k overall. 20% of dmg was T3 TD and it did not pull a pack at all @ionic fern @strong forum

[tame garden]

How much did tankbuster do

Was he scary at all

[strong forum]

Well grats to you

[gentle trellis]

could facetank him

[tame garden]

Nice

[mental scarab]

How did the dmg feel in the 10c

[strong forum]

A +10 sure, he doesn't even half you

A 15 does 500k without demo or IP

[manic scaffold]

Is a plus 10 hard to do?

[tame garden]

I've only done 1 so far but it was super faceroll

10 ez pz

[strong forum]

10s are like 14s

[gentle trellis]

^

[tame garden]

Change is scary 😡

[mental scarab]

💩💩💩

Need to get that 475 shield asap

[strong forum]

I love how people always lose their shit about changes or new stuff

[gentle trellis]

could easily take the blob with endboss

[tame garden]

Ye blob is a meme his minions are 100% of the challenge if you pull his obelisk

[mental scarab]

Yea btw if you do FH and do sharkboss last do the add you save teleport or run to you 🤔

[tame garden]

They will spawn when you do harlan

[mental scarab]

Oh

[tame garden]

Afaik

[native perch]

Whats the protection warrior stat prio?

[gentle trellis]

yea we did sharkboss 3rd

[analog zinc]

haste mostly

crit good in m+ too

[strong forum]

Ilvl >Haste > crit m+

[native perch]

Haste and crit for m+?

ah ait

[strong forum]

Ilvl >haste > versa raid

[chilly brook]

Just be a mongoloid like me and just do ilvl

[tame garden]

P much

Me see big numby me equip

[chilly brook]

Then adjust by sim

😛

[native perch]

Ait. thanks! :p

[manic scaffold]

What boss would you say is a pug stomper in the raid?

Ra den maybe?

[tame garden]

Xanesh

[wooden radish]

@oblique garnet yo.... @ionic fern is dying on normal mode. is that allowed for a "theorycrafter" ?

[tame garden]

Lmao

[modern brook]

Damn I didnt know we had cops in this chat

[wooden radish]

im always policing @ionic fern

https://tenor.com/view/police-officer-super-troopers-security-state-park-gif-5237337

[ionic fern]

I'm even dying on LFR

[tame garden]

[oblique garnet]

@wooden radish dying on normal LUL

[wooden radish]

[exotic spoke]

Hi Mwahi!

Hi Lincoln!

[manic scaffold]

Im ilvl 445 do you think im able to do normal atleast?

I know the fights

[oblique garnet]

yes

easily

the raid is a pushover

[tame garden]

445 you can do heroic fairly easily

[modern brook]

:bonkcat:

[ionic fern]

Hi Riki.

[modern brook]

Damn I'm not cool enough for the cat meme :^(

[pseudo raptor]

I’m currently leveling a prot warrior. Should I wait until I get my ilvl up before touching bfa normal dungeons? Not sure if the survivability changed at that tier with the new patch.

[strong forum]

With 280 ilvl you can easily manage normal dungeons

But it's easier to get gear through wqs first, then do heroics

Or maybe buy cheap stuff 340 stuff on the ah

[hushed cobalt]

Tank buster add in m+, just kite or can you take 1 or 2 (with cds) hits?

[strong forum]

(assuming you get literally 0 help)

You won't need CDs before 16s+

[exotic spoke]

I’m excited for this tier of raiding. Fights look interesting

[tame garden]

Xanesh biggest snooze to tank ever

Other than that I've been enjoying it so far

[analog zinc]

dres is kinda dumb

there should be a tank debuff that allows you to hit boss

its dumb doing 7.8k dps

[exotic spoke]

That’s the one that you can only do permanent damage when you have an orb right?

[pseudo raptor]

Thanks @strong forum

[tame garden]

Yes riki

[cyan oar]

Tanknotes.tk recommends booming voice over devastator, any thoughts?

[distant crystal]

devestator is for st dps

booming voice for everything else

[tame garden]

Tanknotes likely recommends defensive options over max dps

[cyan oar]

Alright fair, tyvm

[analog zinc]

i know booming voice gives you an extra 40 rage when you cast it

but is it less rage from shield slams too?

[left trout]

is devestator less defensively than booming?

[exotic spoke]

Yes.

Booming voice is better defensively

Because of rage gen for cooldowns and incentivizing the use of booming voice

[oblique garnet]

@analog zinc 7.8k dps? 🤔

[tame garden]

Is damage to destra that gets healed removed from logs?

[analog zinc]

it doesnt- yet

i did the math

also fuck ilgynoth

he melees for fucking nothing

then you have to take a 445k shadow nuke then a 780k

[tame garden]

How are you doing 7.8k dps then

Oh you subtracted yourself

Reading is hard

[analog zinc]

oh goodie its a 1m magic dmg burst on mythic

stam flask boss 🙂

[strong forum]

Or just use a defensive

🤷‍♀️

[tame garden]

Shield wall

Pain supp

Ez

[manic scaffold]

whats better

[strong forum]

1st

By miles

[manic scaffold]

alright thx

[strong forum]

By like several fucking lightyears

Although I'd personally use unstable flames instead of lifespeed

[manic scaffold]

alright ty

[warm plinth]

Same

[exotic spoke]

Yup

[distant crystal]

Nomeratur confirmed doesn't gotta go fast

smh

[analog swift]

What’s up dads how was heroic clearing?

[grizzled glen]

Should I take unstable flames over OP in keys scenarios if they’re in the same tier?

[exotic spoke]

OP OP

Is what I’d go with. And you have that as an option instead of life speed yeah?

[grizzled glen]

Yeah

[exotic spoke]

I’d personally still go with OP

[rugged vale]

Definitely over life speed

[exotic spoke]

Even over unstable flame

[sick sentinel]

I always take OP

[grizzled glen]

So the value over it over UF will go down with big pulls?

[sick sentinel]

The stack drops per second are limited so you are guaranteed a decent amount of haste

[grizzled glen]

Wont*

[sick sentinel]

Honestly in keys big pulls don’t affect the value because you are going to be losing the same stacks/sec anyway

[strong forum]

Doesn't really make a huge difference to run OP or UF

I'm running 3x UF cuz its pretty

[warm plinth]

Is OP still better than UF after the nerf? I feel like they were pretty close already in M+

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

UF prolly better now

But it's such a minor difference

[warm plinth]

Either way, both are still good so I don't think there's really a wrong choice

[grizzled glen]

Well if it helps, I have more stacks of UF rather than OP

[strong forum]

Doesn't matter

[grizzled glen]

So I guess I’ll go with what I can stack?

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern TC boi, UF vs OP, go 😮

[strong forum]

Legit doesn't matter

Is like sooo minor, you won't ever notice a difference

[tame garden]

Pick whichever icon you prefer

[strong forum]

^

[ionic fern]

Lemme wipe on NM in peace pls.

[warm plinth]

I need TC!

[strong forum]

[rugged vale]

So for last nights kills I averaged about ~63% uptime on UF typically around 1-2 stacks so you're looking at ~150 ish crit (huge guess) per trait for 2/3 of the fight. Your gains won't be too substantial

These are random procs though and if you're raiding could happen right as you have to run away and you lose the bonus. Honestly just throw whatever in, you'll be just fine

[strong forum]

Si

[exotic spoke]

It’s a minor. For raids I’d probably go UF. For m+ probably OP

But I change my style of play on the content. More offensively oriented in raids

[strong forum]

Or just stay with 1 cuz it's literally 1% difference at best

[analog swift]

Yo this raid

There is approximately

Zero tank damage

[tame garden]

Yup

[analog zinc]

yup

[mental scarab]

humming black dragonscale good or crap

[analog zinc]

only boss that does decent tank dmg is vex'

its about equal haste as rezan's eye

but much more consistant

[analog swift]

It’s ok I just pump

[mental scarab]

cool

[exotic spoke]

@strong forum I meant if I have multiple pieces with the options. I would prioritize UF for raid and OP for M+ not necessarily swapping them

[analog swift]

Got a nice rank 1 on wrathion

[mental scarab]

even got haste corrupt on wrist from first boss

[tame garden]

I got a rank 1 which was quickly beaten by someone with corruption

I wish I had corruption

[exotic spoke]

This to be honest Speg

[analog swift]

Brewmaster with echoing void

And twilight devastation bracers

Fuck it net 38 corruption yolo

[tame garden]

Dude beat me by 3k but his echoing void did 7k

😡

Raid does no damage but cant parsewhore cuz bad loot luck

[analog zinc]

boss stuck at 1hp 🙂

[exotic spoke]

Yup

Apparently his energy has to hit 100%. We had that happen last night too

Didn’t kill it

But allegedly the energy is the issue

[sick sentinel]

Not a bug either from what I understand. Just a poorly tuned mechanic

[flat jackal]

@mental scarab trinket is good but the aura screws with your jumps on keys. I Tried to snap on atal and I fell off the ledge, because I didn’t notice the buff

It makes it so that you have slow fall whenever you have the wings on

So annoying

[mental scarab]

XD

damn i do that now alrdy ehhehe

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel if the boss is stuck at 1hp and can't be killed that's a bug tbh

[analog zinc]

2nd time ilgy bugged out :))

[deft vessel]

dudes

I am so confused by these simulations

in what world is the combination of tehse two items

this and

is better than this ...

and this...

raidbots claims I lose 2.5k dps on single target????????

I don't even use simulations that much anymore, but I wanted to sanity check anyway

and this looks.... not right?

summary is how is 425+430 with one socket better than a 440+445 with one socket?

I mean, ignoring the sim, surely the survivability alone would be worth it for a tank

but still, wtf raidbots

I think it's the gems that are throwing it off

[sick sentinel]

It’s not simming for surviv tho. Purely dps. Could also be your sim settings

[deft vessel]

Defaults

This is not my first foray into simulations

at all

and I know it only sims damage, I reference as much in my writing

[sick sentinel]

I don’t remember saying it was. But posting pictures and asking people to know why a computer simmed one way vs another with no context rarely results in meaningful feedback

[deft vessel]

I'm rather asking if my understanding of the game is insane, or should I trust raidbots, more or less to confirm my suspicion that the raidbots result is nonsense

either way, I'm gonna put up the two new pieces and move my 120 str gem to the new slot

[exotic spoke]

Raid bots doesn’t sim defensively. It doesn’t take that into account at all

[deft vessel]

uhh, yes, that has been established several times in the past few lines of discussion 😛

[exotic spoke]

It makes perfect sense looking at the pics

[deft vessel]

either way, thanks for the input Hawgz/Riki

❤️

[exotic spoke]

Crit is pretty strong of a dps stat while vers doesn’t get you a lot per rating point

So you have heavy crit in the lower Ilvl pieces where as you have heavy vers in the high Ilvl pieces

[deft vessel]

you do realize it's a gain of 128 base stat, even a DPS would appreciate that

but regardless, I do understand your point

i'll plop on the new pieces, vers be damned

I think throwing so much item level away on a tank is probably silly

[manic scaffold]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=309585/battle-for-azeroth-maintenance-today-jan-22-between-1-and-2-pm-pst?webhook

:O

[exotic spoke]

Yes I understand that Diruuo 🙂 but seeing what my dps in M+ do for proper stats is amazing

If you’re going for dps follow the sims. If you need survivability you go ilvl

[deft vessel]

based on my knowledge of the game I think the two high item level items do both

but alas, I am not 100% sure

it is what it is

[exotic spoke]

Something something - hdh are better suited to get proper stated gear from M+ at heroic +5 Ilvl versus improper stated mythic lvl pieces

[left hatch]

that and secondaries tend to scale better later in the xpac than primary stat (from my understanding its because you have such a vast amount of primary in comparison that 100 more strenght is going to be a tiny additive value to your AP, while the tiny secondary pool means 50 more of it has a much larger (and in the cases of things like crit multiplicative) impact on your output)

been that way for... idk at least 3 xpansions now

and since the stat budget for primary goes up way faster than it does for secondaries

its oftentimes worth losing a bit of ilvl for having the right secondaries

esp for dps specs which are even more tied to having the right statline than tanks are

for instance rn str is my lowest rated stat, with crit and verse being worth almost double for ST

defensively though you right

the higher ilvl will be superior

[sick sentinel]

How good is Sigil of Warding for Prot?

[analog zinc]

bad

same as all tanks

[left hatch]

only 'tank' trinkets worth note in new raid are Wrathion, Ra-Den's 2, and IN RAID ONLY Nzoth's

rest are a hard pass

hmmmm in terms of dps per corruption its better to have multiple T2 EV's than a Tier 3 of it

both for ST and AoE too , huh

i wonder how many other corruption effects are more efficient stacking lower tiers than going for their T3

[icy cloak]

is there a list of what bosses to coin out someplace?

[dreamy blade]

im new to prot war

is icy veins guide reliable?

[tame garden]

Yes

[left hatch]

yes icy-veins guide is maintained by big brains on this disc

and as far as what to coin its kinda feelycrafty

Wrathion is a good one for his wep and trinket

[tame garden]

Coin weapons

Ez

[grim estuary]

is there a way to "sim" survivability in some way ?

[tame garden]

No

[left hatch]

Il'gynoth another high value coin cause he has only shield in raid

[grim estuary]

i mean not official siming just some way of getting in the right direction 🤔

[left hatch]

no

[grim estuary]

._.

[left hatch]

if you want a general rule of thumb Ilvl>everything else

(exept for trinkets and in some cases rings)

[tame garden]

Stack ilvl, prio haste if you have option

[left hatch]

if pieces are same ilvl Haste>Verse for raids Haste>Crit for M+

[tame garden]

Ez pz

[grim estuary]

it is a trinket in fact

[left hatch]

what are the trinkets

[grim estuary]

Wrathion trinket 460 vs 430 Ashvane and 430 rezan eye

[left hatch]

Wrathion ez choice

[grim estuary]

second slot ?

[tame garden]

Rezan

[grim estuary]

i like the healing of ashvane but haste is haste

[left hatch]

after that id go with Rezans cause rn nothings hitting hard enough to warrent Ashvane

if you feel like you need full defense than ashvane

[grim estuary]

ok i can work with that

thanks

[tame garden]

Can go ashvane for your weekly no leaver awakened key this week

Besides that ez rezans

[left hatch]

gz on a herioc Wrathions btw

thats gonna be one of teh BiS trinks this tier

[grim estuary]

hm ok but isnt it "only" 400 haste ?

[left hatch]

it has 3ppm

so amazing uptime

[grim estuary]

ohh

ok that explains it

[left hatch]

its on par with Rezan's trink but can drop 10 ilvls higher

[grim estuary]

i see

[exotic spoke]

@left hatch there is a BoE shield

So Ilgy isn’t the only shield in raid

[left hatch]

true, but can't coin trash ):

only boss shield*

[exotic spoke]

But, like any good American. You can “coin” the AH

And use money to solve your problems

[left hatch]

wow officially pay to win

[exotic spoke]

Or, maybe it’s more apt to say, you can throw money at your problems

Not technically solve them

[tame garden]

How much is a 460 shield

[novel agate]

only one on Tich is a 445 with the stacking crit corruption on it

its on there for 700k

according to undermine journal the 460 shield is going for 1.5-3 mil depending on corruption

[muted wagon]

quikc question

should tank warrior use last stand on vexiona ?

like does that buff shattered resolve

[left hatch]

it would, but the explosion is also missing health

[muted wagon]

so safer option is to use or not

[left hatch]

so in theory last stand would prevent you from losing as much health from the dot

id say still use it

[tame garden]

Yell at healers

[sullen valve]

no

don't

healers are good bois

Also does anyone have wowA requests

[tame garden]

Cant fool me abe I know how toxic heal chat is I used to be a healer

[vestal edge]

sigil of warding seems pretty good for a pure turtle trink no?

[sick sentinel]

I feel like pug groups hate prot warriors

[warm plinth]

Probably because they've grouped with too many shitty ones 😂

[distant crystal]

yeah prob victims of @warm plinth

[tame garden]

Prot is b tier with bdk

[sick sentinel]

If you know how to play your class

[tame garden]

I saw it on wowhead

[sick sentinel]

You can beat any tank unless it's going to world first

I kinda hate meta slaves

[warm plinth]

What do you mean Waat, I'm a B tier tank

Havoc fo lyfe

[analog zinc]

yes use last stand on vexx lol

[sharp sable]

warrior best tank for m15's now? just returning to game

[left hatch]

yes warrior is best M+ tank

not by a huge amount though

monk is still competitive

[sick sentinel]

Monk only if you hate yourself

This is an unarguable fact

Monks cheeks

VDH better than monk

[sharp sable]

i have the choice of all 3

my warrior just has better gear to start from

[vocal skiff]

is there a way to pull just the dogs without pulling the matron just before tree boss in WM?

I saw it done today, but I don't know how

So I suppose the question isn't if there is a way, but what way is there

[warm plinth]

If you are really quick with taunt, you can do it when the dog on the right is the farthest point away from her

But it's a really tight window

[vocal skiff]

Understood

[analog zinc]

ayy

[warm plinth]

Nicely done sir

[tired hawk]

I feel so weak in this raid

[warm plinth]

Weak how?

[distant crystal]

my fuckin gm

got the boe shield with 75 twilight devestation corruption

i bet he could sell that for so much

[warm plinth]

Yeah...he should talk to Limit; I hear they're buying some of the corruptions (not sure if TD is one of them or not)

Though I guess that depends if he's on their realm (idk what realm they're on)

[analog zinc]

highly doubt its one

its only good for huge aoe where you're sure to hit a bunch of stuff

[warm plinth]

Probably mostly IS I'd imagine

Yeah I'm gonna get a juicy TD for island boosts 😄

[distant crystal]

tbh i've been a little disappointed with TD

this is r1 TD and r2 EV

[sharp night]

have you been targeting low health mobs

in your pulls

don't know if it's true but someone mentioned before that they seemed to get more procs by targeting low hp mobs even during aoe

[analog zinc]

anyone here tried heroic carapace?

this thing is FUCKING us

[oblique garnet]

The little adds scale stupidly with raid size

[marble cipher]

Is the Wrathion weapon the one we'd be aiming for, for M+?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/281233791576702976/669677036566216734/unknown.png

[sick sentinel]

did you bonus roll that

[marble cipher]

Tried, but no

Was wondering if that's the go to weapon this tier

[sick sentinel]

never bonus roll heroic unless it's your first 2 coins

[sweet turtle]

I literally just got it

[sick sentinel]

and you already have 5

[marble cipher]

I don't raid mythic, and yeah, surplus coin

[sick sentinel]

Hm

[left hatch]

if its your highest weapon great

the corruption on it is mediocre tho

[marble cipher]

Damn, it seemed like a good corruption for M+

[left hatch]

~4% of my dps overall in dungeons vs 17% from a Tier 2 Echoing void

and both are 35 corruption

[marble cipher]

Well, if only I got lucky with ev so far...

Will spam some +6 keys tomorrow and friday, and hope for the best

[grizzled glen]

thoughts on using sigil of warding on a high tyran ML for the lost 2 bosses?

[left hatch]

probably not worth taking such a mediocre trinket for the entire run just for last 2 bosses

and even then.. for rexxa a 2m cd absorb is pretty limited value

since you can SR every other chemical burn

[daring marlin]

lol

I thought people hearthed out before the last two and ran back in anyway, hence not using anything for the whole run

[warm plinth]

I don't know anyone who actually does that. Maybe people doing 25s or some shit I guess

[left hatch]

literally only heard of that happening once

and it was only because the 2 rogues were swapping to ST build so there'd be downtime anyway

[waxen cradle]

What corruption level did we determine was likely going to be a do not go over for us for the time being ? I would assume 39 or are other risking higher for awesome corruption effect rolls ?

[warm plinth]

40 probably

[left hatch]

its gonna be content/player specific, playing around with it 38 has been easily manageable

[warm plinth]

Well, 39 technically is the "do not go over"

[waxen cradle]

yeah true

[sick sentinel]

40 corruption doesn't really do anything

[left hatch]

M+ runs that don't have movement restrictions you could probably get away with a bit more since you have room to kite

[crimson furnace]

what are u guys using as the 3 essence setup on prot??

[warm plinth]

40 is when the add starts to spawn

[left hatch]

but i wouldn't want it on bosses like Harlan or last guy in TD

[sick sentinel]

Obviously

spec into storm bolt 4head

[left hatch]

where your ability to kite is limited

[sick sentinel]

It insta despawns him

[left hatch]

not anymore it doesn't

4headx

[sick sentinel]

Yes it doe

I just did it

[left hatch]

i mean we have ppl saying it no longer does

might have been a bug

if thats the case then 59 is probably the limiting scary zone

[warm plinth]

Well, going that high means you're gonna be ultra slowed and shit too so

Not sure that's a good idea lol

[sick sentinel]

ultra slowed?

That thing procced once the entire dungeon

lol

[warm plinth]

The slow scales with corruption

[sick sentinel]

it has such a low chance

and I was at 50

[waxen cradle]

I have been running either CnS, Lucid, and Null for raids or Null for heavy heavy magic damage in certain M+ but thats me I guess with vision as major, I will likely change that up when I can get the corruption one from raid I forget the name for some reason

[left hatch]

i do'nt think higher corruption raises proc rate

its locked at ~1ppm

[sick sentinel]

it doesnt

[daring marlin]

@warm plinth ? I watched multiple Warriors including Nerf do it a handful of times in S2 when I was playing

[sick sentinel]

it just doesn't proc

[left hatch]

but i only noticed it twice entire dungeon

[warm plinth]

Those people are doing 25s, right? Which is what I said lol

[daring marlin]

super high tyrannical

[warm plinth]

Yeah I didn't say it increases the proc rate. Just the slow itself.

[left hatch]

super high tyranical for 99% of playerbase isn't pushign r1 keys

[warm plinth]

He didn't say "super high tyrannical". He said "high", which is a very fluid descriptor for the average population.

[left hatch]

advice here is really for the majority of playerbase

[warm plinth]

The level of keys I do would be high for a lot of people. Whereas for people doing 25s, my 18s and 19s are pretty trivial

[left hatch]

not the best in the world pushing as high as you can possibly go

[daring marlin]

It seems stupid to argue about the hearthing out strat after azerokk when it’s even in the wowhead guide. Bolster is legit useless after Azerokk and you only lose 20-40 seconds doing it, while helping your healer out on the last two bosses.

[sick sentinel]

I heart out even in 18/19s

[daring marlin]

It’s not just a lol 25s strat

[sick sentinel]

hearth*

on tyran

that shit hurts and scuffs the run if you dont

the healer has to work 2x more to keep you up while keeping dps up

from their mistakes

[warm plinth]

Do what you want. No one actually gives a shit. But recommending it to the average person is fucking moronic, 100%.

[sick sentinel]

I would 100% recommend it

[daring marlin]

Woah nike woah dude

[warm plinth]

Knock yourself out.

[exotic spoke]

As far as I’m aware - the current theory is 40 corruption is the upper end

It’s fine to go more - just not recommended

[oblique garnet]

you can play with 68

[exotic spoke]

I know my DH friend said he was comfortable with like 79? For some situations. But he’s an exceptional player and I wouldn’t give that advice to people

[daring marlin]

Corruption is so cool.

[left hatch]

playing around with pieces, 78 that add fucking BOOKS it to you

[sick sentinel]

thats a dh tho

[daring marlin]

BFA, the systems layering expac.

Who needs tier sets

[exotic spoke]

Regarding hearthing out. I tend to do it if someone else is hearthing. Other wise I grit my teeth and deal with it

[daring marlin]

:^)

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's what I've heard Morrison haha. Though someone in here was saying SR makes it despawn when it hits you? Someone should confirm that (I don't have any corrupted shit at all so RIP)

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, Morrison. Class matters too. And he was like “if I’m in meta I just don’t give a shit and tank it” or something

[left hatch]

on wowhead its supposed to despawn on any cc

and nike says it works that way

but iv had 2 ppl since launch say it doesn't

trying to test for myself

[warm plinth]

Yeah I have seen folks who said it isn't working like that too though so who knows. Everything is so buggy :/

[sick sentinel]

it has to be a targeted stun

[daring marlin]

Tank it with meta, meta ends, use cloak effect?

[oblique garnet]

It doesnt despawn on cc

[daring marlin]

goofy ass game

[left hatch]

its not an add to tank

it touches you, despawns and take a huge % of health

[exotic spoke]

I dunno. He’s honestly the best player I’ve ever played with

[warm plinth]

I hear that for DH chaos nova stuns for 4 seconds on that mob (like it does in PvP)

[exotic spoke]

All jokes aside about my skill

He makes me look bad

[oblique garnet]

@exotic spoke I mean 🙂

[left hatch]

cause you are bad (^:

imagine recommending doing more in a vission than just thrall

[exotic spoke]

Hence the all jokes aside

[left hatch]

smfh

[exotic spoke]

I will cut you

❤️

[warm plinth]

Why tf would you do that anyway

Just get your upgrades 4Head

[left hatch]

❤️

[oblique garnet]

Because you need to do more than just thrall in vision

[warm plinth]

I am not putting a heart because Riki makes fun of me daily

[daring marlin]

understandable

[warm plinth]

He's like that cousin that you don't like but they're family so you have to love them

[exotic spoke]

@oblique garnet joke is I was recommending people do more than just thrall first the first week. I was recommending people cautiously explore after they had an attempt or two under their belt. I got destroyed in other places for advocating that

[warm plinth]

I still have 2 vessels from last week o_o;

Rank 4 cloak 💪

[oblique garnet]

rank 7

[warm plinth]

I wanted to save my last two for when the food was available because I wanna see how far I can get with gnasher

Since I'm a solo boi

[exotic spoke]

At rank 6. Have 5 runs this week. Full cleared last week

[daring marlin]

Rank 7 but I cbf to do the dailies aside from minor visions

[warm plinth]

Dailies weren't too bad today tbh

[left hatch]

its super fucking buggy if storm bolt dispels the add or not

[warm plinth]

No rares daily

Some of the objectives are busted though

[left hatch]

sometimes it goes away right away, sometimes it breaks its aggro and it kinda just wanders like its disoriented

and sometimes it goes back to chasing you

[oblique garnet]

just let it smack you tbh

[warm plinth]

How much does it even do?

[left hatch]

eh im not goign above 40 for rn, was just playing around

at 65 corruption it does 36% health

[warm plinth]

And it's just damage right?

[left hatch]

yah, but the more dangerous thing is it tends to happen when an eye comes out

and at 65 the eye is like a 40yard radius

jk its 16.2

yard

[warm plinth]

16.2 is pretty close to 40, I'll give you that

[left hatch]

feelycraft vs. narcissus tells you actual values (:

[oblique garnet]

eye at 68

[left hatch]

it also seems like higher corruption the add spawns closer

[warm plinth]

So by 16.2 you meant 16.2 radius? lol

Because that sure as hell looks pretty close to 40 yds across

Well, maybe not 40, but definitely like 35ish

[left hatch]

was dickign around on a dummy at over 100 and it kept spawning on top of me

[sick sentinel]

that def isn't 35

[left hatch]

might have to do with the 'everything happens at once' proc

[sick sentinel]

that's like 20

[warm plinth]

Yeah could be

[sick sentinel]

or 16.2 as he said

[left hatch]

16.2 radius is ~32.4 diameter

so he rite

[warm plinth]

Did you try SR for the thing from beyond Morrison?