protection

[exotic spoke]

Some people don’t enjoy raiding. Some don’t enjoy M+
Some don’t enjoy pvp

But no other system has had their reward design changed so drastically with the changes this patch IMO

It’s not a matter of ease Nike.

The game isn’t hard. The game has never really been hard

[nova gale]

I agree that it was almost the other way around last season

you kinda had to m+ to get the best gear for raiding

and you had to do +10s.

[exotic spoke]

DH still do

[sick sentinel]

Prots still do

[warm plinth]

Why you gotta mention that Riki

[nova gale]

I suggest just up the rewards for 25s or smth

[sick sentinel]

Your bis stuff is from M+

[exotic spoke]

Cause you don’t raid ghash

[nova gale]

+20 is 470

+25 is 475

fixed

[exotic spoke]

It’s a lot less important for tanks Nike

[sick sentinel]

It's just as important as any other; and the point still implies. Your BIS stuff is from M+

same as fury, furys gear comes from M+

and arms

[nova gale]

even if its 10 ilvl lower?

[exotic spoke]

This has been gone over many times before

Sorry, how are you defining prots BiS?

[sick sentinel]

Defensively and offensively

[exotic spoke]

What stats?

[sick sentinel]

Stats?

What stats

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, what stat priorities are you using as your guideline for what should be bis

For prot

[sick sentinel]

I'm not using ANY stat priorities

I said

Azerite

[nova gale]

wait, we talking about azerite now?

[exotic spoke]

At no point did you mention Azerite

Until just then

[sick sentinel]

When I say bis stuff

why would I talk about "stats"?

Of course I meant azerite

[exotic spoke]

No, it wasn’t obvious

[warm plinth]

🤔

[sick sentinel]

Why would prots care about stats

[exotic spoke]

Could be trinkets could be stat pairs at certain Ilvl. Could be weapons / shields whatever

Cause more haste is more better (assuming equal Ilvl). Because I want crit too

[sick sentinel]

I'm not assuming ilvl

have you seen the 485s that drop from last boss?

[exotic spoke]

And technically, for azerite pieces - you don’t need to do m+ at all

[sick sentinel]

for prot

It's actually gross

[nova gale]

So wtf we talking about here 😄

[exotic spoke]

I’m honestly lost as you’re bouncing from topic to topic

[sick sentinel]

I'm talking azerite

always been from the start

[nova gale]

We have never talked about azerite

[sick sentinel]

I am

with the correlation

of having to do M+ to obtain those items

[exotic spoke]

Then you should clarify and specify because no one else understood that

[nova gale]

Oh well 🙂

[exotic spoke]

But you don’t have to do M+ for those 😛

It may be faster - but you certainly don’t have to do them

[nova gale]

residuum I suppose

[exotic spoke]

Yessir

[nova gale]

Not sure when I got bracer and belt azerite tho

maybe something new

[exotic spoke]

Lol

Touché

I agree with what you’re saying Bromigo. It was talked about a bunch in the time leading up to the patch. Removing Titanforging (good or bad - thaTs a different conversation) was going to have lasting effects on M+ rewards

Maybe they got it right, maybe they didn’t. But it certainly feels like I need to mythic raid this tier instead of wanting to mythic raid last tier

There’s a difference there in consumer perception which is important

[nova gale]

Yeah. It feels like a shitty patch to come back to if you only wanna do m+ like me

[exotic spoke]

I think it’ll be good

For a couple reasons

Despite all that

[nova gale]

I guess I will give it a go

I'm jus super scared im gonna start looking for a raiding guild

[exotic spoke]

A, prots already very defensive. So being a little slower to gear up isn’t the end of the world

B - the raid BoE items include a shield which huge defensively

[nova gale]

Oh shit

That's pretty big tbh

[exotic spoke]

So if you have gold and bad luck you can remedy your bad luck

C - dps wise (since our survivability is mostly dictated by proper play) Corruption will play a huge role in that

[nova gale]

How many pieces can you craft?

still two for BS and one for JC?

[exotic spoke]

Two for BS. So while you may not be as defensive you can be pretty Tanky and get more chances at better corrupted gear and output more damage

[nova gale]

What slots can you craft for BS and what pieces are BoEs? if you dont mind me asking (if you know)

[exotic spoke]

Oh I think there’s a BoE ring too

Legs and belt for Bs

I can’t remember for the boes other than shield and I think ring

[nova gale]

Tbh, then its super fine

[exotic spoke]

But good luck getting those corrupted

If you wanted them

[nova gale]

ye well since someone mentioned you could only realistically wear two currpoted pieces?

[exotic spoke]

Depending on the pieces you could wear more. Less powerful pieces have less corruption. And as you progress you get more resistance and can wear more

Then, after you mess around with M+ - you can decide if and when you want to raid and find the right guild (if you choose to)

But, while I shared the same thoughts you did, I’ve felt better as the patch approached and more info came out about the BoEs, details about corruption, etc

So I’m pretty optimistic about it all

And I hope you are too man

[nova gale]

Aight, thanks for changing my mind and ruining my life

[exotic spoke]

Well shit. When you say it like that

[nova gale]

Was so close to uninstalling. Damn you

[exotic spoke]

You’re welcome... I guess?

Lol

[nova gale]

xD

[exotic spoke]

Skyhold, icy veins (now updated by Mwahi), are some great places for warrior specific info. Reddit can have some information that’s good. But watch out for that Riki guy. He can be a jerk

[undone sun]

who

[exotic spoke]

Sorry, NotRiki

Now, I should head to bed. I got distracted by this after talking to Mwahi.

So nighto!

[upbeat sigil]

What do we think lads

[sick sentinel]

play with CNS major and experience the vers

[main ember]

Whats considered the best guide for prot m+?

[sick sentinel]

Is there even a guide

Just learn how to play your spec to the fullest and learn routes on your own and you'll gain experience

watch streamers

so with formless void, does it even copy irus beam?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

But you can't block during it so be careful.

[main ember]

There is a guide on wowhead. I just wanted something to get me going with the "best" default settings..

[ionic fern]

Is that the Lepan one?

[gaunt dawn]

Lepan quit ages ago 👀

[ionic fern]

Yeah, but his 42.5% mastery story remains.

[gaunt dawn]

last update from Lepan on that was 28 March 2019

might wanna ask yo boi @candid path about that

[candid path]

HEY, I'M FARMIN AP OVER HERE!

[ionic fern]

Busy man.

😂

[gaunt dawn]

imagine not being done with AP already

[ionic fern]

Imagine being 71 neck level

[gaunt dawn]

and farming AP without a guild? or did you find a new home?

[candid path]

I'm not 80, I'm not done.

[nova gale]

I just hit 70 AP 😦

[gaunt dawn]

70 AP?

what did you do

[nova gale]

FeelsInactiveSinceAugustMan

[gaunt dawn]

complete a normal dungeon?

[candid path]

But yeah, breakpoints for Mastery is just... pffffft.

I mean, it's true, damage reductions from all sources have a cap

[nova gale]

Wasnt that the whole with bastion of might aatar thingie

[oblique garnet]

@gaunt dawn you 80 neck yet ? 🙂

[gaunt dawn]

75 fam

75 on multiple > 80 on one

u get me

??

[oblique garnet]

I have 75 on warrior boutta hit 77 on monk

[ionic fern]

Hoooow

[oblique garnet]

🏝️

[undone sun]

no life

[ionic fern]

Did you plan it around the release of the patch

?

[oblique garnet]

Plan what?

[ionic fern]

Oh shit, i thought you ment that picture as a "vacatioN".

😂

But it's ment as Islands-.

I managed to do 4 islands yesterday.

Getting there.

[nova gale]

Holy shit im not ready for this patch it seems 😛

gonna be a slow start for me

[autumn pendant]

Wtf late

[ionic fern]

The 70-75 grind isn't that bad.

[autumn pendant]

Go on break

Please

Dont hurt yourself

[oblique garnet]

wdym im chilling

[ionic fern]

That's 100% not chilling.

😂

What i'm doing is chilling.

[oblique garnet]

What you are doing is

😉

[ionic fern]

How? 🤔

[autumn pendant]

What he is doing

[oblique garnet]

71 neck

[ionic fern]

Yes?

[autumn pendant]

Is preventing further hair loss

[oblique garnet]

lul

[gaunt dawn]

my alts are 72 👀

just from daily vission

[oblique garnet]

^

[ionic fern]

Having 2-3 hours max to your own per day to deal with various things so like..1h per day for WoW's ingame activities over various chars.

[autumn pendant]

Poor mwahi

[ionic fern]

Plus i'm not in a big world rank guild so i can chill.

[nova gale]

Bless

[ionic fern]

So wouldn't call it sandbagging.

[nova gale]

I'm busy farming for lucid dream essence, aegis of the deep, nullification dynamo

KMS

[ionic fern]

Hey, at least the requirements got nerfed.

[nova gale]

Ye, otherwise I'd never come back

[ionic fern]

Tho, soon i'll get more time to play WoW so i can get that 75 neck.

[nova gale]

going away on vacation for 10 days on monday

#timing

[errant oriole]

hey guys is the nulification dynamo really that good?

[nova gale]

rank 3 is great dmg vs magic dmg afaik

[ionic fern]

Jeah,you should definitely get it at r3. 🙂

[errant oriole]

i have it at rank 2 atm

[nova gale]

Get them mechagon wq's done 🙂

[errant oriole]

my BDK has rank 3 😛 so does my monk but my guild wanted a prot war so here i am lol

so i was lookin at tank notes and i hope prot wars are going to get trucked this new raid

O_O

[ionic fern]

Wait, you HOPE we are going to get trucked?

😂

[errant oriole]

wait... oh arent lmao

woops its late im sorry haha

[ionic fern]

No, that's Late.

[errant oriole]

lol

but for real i saw some of the bosses had some magic dmg is that gonna be a burden that is gonna make prot wars work harder than the other tanks?

[ionic fern]

But don't worry. We'll be fine. There's still enough physical damage that we excell at and we have more than enough tools to deal with Magic damage.
Just get r3 of null as well and it'll be fine.

Remember that all tanks struggle with magic damage.

We won't have to "work harder". If you know when to use what CD wise you'll be fine.

[errant oriole]

ah alright

my other option would be to go guardian druid buuuut they less cd's than wars O_o

[ionic fern]

They'll be fine as well. 🙂

[errant oriole]

oh nice nice btw is using devastator more of dps increase vs booming voice? where as BV is more defensive?

[ionic fern]

Devastator should be used ONLY for ST damage purposes.

BV is the better option offensively as soon as a 2nd target comes into play - it also provides you with more rage if used properly (on CD).

[errant oriole]

ah ok thats what i figured

also what are you guys using for a 4th essence? i don thave mine unlocked yet but i just wanna get a good idea

[ionic fern]

Depends what content are we talking about.

[nova gale]

Oh fuck I just realised I dont have conflict and strife

[errant oriole]

er raid wise content

[ionic fern]

Raid DPS wise:
CoF major, CnS/Nullr3/WV or Formless Void if you need the resistance

[errant oriole]

cof?

[ionic fern]

Crucible of Flame

[errant oriole]

oh ok

and wv ?

[ionic fern]

Worldvein

[errant oriole]

oh really?

[nova gale]

Do I actually need CNS for m+

[errant oriole]

been using lucid rank 3 as a minor with dynamo and perfection as major

[nova gale]

Like, visions, lucid dreams, nullification and aegis would suffice

I should just find another game I think

[ionic fern]

You can use VoP minor as well in raids ofc instead of WV.

[sweet summit]

@ionic fern wv is fixed?

[errant oriole]

wasnt sure is the extra vers would help or not

[ionic fern]

@nova gale you don't "need" it but it's a solid choice. Others include Lucid/Aegis/Sphere.

[nova gale]

Sphere is even more aids to get afaik?

If you dont enjoy pvp

[ionic fern]

@sweet summit there's still some schenanigans surrounding it.

[sweet summit]

But its good enough?

[errant oriole]

hmm

[manic scaffold]

when did they make heroic throw instant

[gaunt dawn]

when has it not been instant 👀

imagine sitting there, ramping up a throw like thor

2s cast time

[undone sun]

even 1s would be 👀

also looking at patch changes; there's no mention of a cast time

[normal sigil]

someone is remembering shattering, not heroic throw i guess

[gaunt dawn]

Shattering Throw had a cast time, yea

[sage nimbus]

some idea for prot essences in S4 ? i mean for the 4th

[brittle owl]

one of the new ones for the corr resistance

probably the void one

if you don't have enough corruption items to warrant that, just use whatever really

[nova gale]

How are teh mechagon rings for Prot?

[dark lark]

Amazing if you get the haste proc one

Some people argued that even the base 415 haste proc ring was still better than 450s

[nova gale]

So might be an idea to drop JC

And get BS instead or smth

[polar kite]

Does the void essence stack its effect? I mean at the beginning of a raid encounter when everyone uses their essences does it just rockets through the sky?

[nova gale]

Also, mechagon rings. Which conditional procc ring is best? Like, 3 abilities on one target?

[dark lark]

Logic loop of recursion and overclocking bit band

Use 3 different abilities on same target, get a haste buff

[nova gale]

Ye so that will technically be a 100% uptime

so unless you can get 2 rings that will net you more than 160 haste it will be worth

[dark lark]

At ilvl 465 it'll be more than 160 haste

So yeah even more so

[nova gale]

true dat

[sweet summit]

There is a 15 second cooldown on the rings, but its still very close to 100% uptime

[nova gale]

so once it drops off

you do 3 skills on one enemy and you will gain it again

[sweet summit]

Yeh

[nova gale]

oh and its mega weighted towards haste too

neat. I'll drop JC then and get BS.

[sweet summit]

One is heavy haste, the other is heavy crit

[nova gale]

Great stats for m+ ooeeeh!

[mild river]

Morning, people! Are vulperas any good to tank?

[winged grail]

Yes, but just once

[ionic fern]

Do you like to be tiny and furry?
Yes - Vulpera
No - Not Vulpera.

[hollow kernel]

anyone know if the m+ affix rotation is gonna continue/stay the same with the reset?

[sick spindle]

Currently the pillars are fixed, but 2 of the lieutenants behind the pillars swap on a two-week rotation.

(that's the latest info I'm aware of)

[uncut juniper]

Hey folks,

my Edict of the Faithless never dropped during Mythic Progression / Reclears. Because of that i'm still sitting on a 435 forged HC Version. Now to my question: Since i know this trinket is really really good and the new tier doesnt offer good trinkets compared to this tier... im curious how long people will stick to it? i mean. Even if the new tier trinkets are mediocre will their ilvl be enough to outlvl a mthic edict? or am i doomed to hell like other specs that still use BoD Trinkets cause they will be BiS untill forever?

And if so: How am i supposed to find mythic farmraids to keep on grinding Queens Court Mythic when the new raid is out? guess im just unlucky but i was wondering wether my tankmates here have some opinions about the weight of my bad luck.

[ionic fern]

I don't even have a edict. 👀
Don't worry too much about farming old tiers because these trinkets are not "mandatory" to have. You will be just fine doing the content without them.
There are also Mythic+ trinkets that are solid all-arounders like Rezan's that you can get at a decent ilvl if it drops.

[uncut juniper]

i should add to this that i enjoy raiding as much as i love pushing keys and that i got almost every other trinket on (nearly) mythic ilvl to work around. so i know its not the end of the world. but what are we looking for in the new raid in terms of trinkets for m+ / raiding?

[tame garden]

Wrathion trinket looks decent

[ionic fern]

The new tank trinkets from raid in general are "meh" and not worth looking at.
There are some decent STR trinkets like the Humming Black Dragonscale which provides a low haste proc on a high PPM.

I'll be still sticking with my Coral/Inkpod for most of progression most likely for example. 🤷

[tame garden]

Ye u dont generally need defensive trinkets for raid

[uncut juniper]

yea sure

but i would love to have some for high m+ keys

The new tank trinkets from raid in general are "meh" and not worth looking at.
There are some decent STR trinkets like the Humming Black Dragonscale which provides a low haste proc on a high PPM.
@ionic fern so we're heading back to our good old friends in the m+ loottable i assume?

[ionic fern]

Most likely jeap.

[ionic fern]

Jeaaah, that looks scuffed

[errant oriole]

hey so im gonna try to make the 445 alchemy trinket today.... any opinions?

[ionic fern]

There's also Torment in a Jar that looks promising AoE DPS wise.

[jagged stump]

And Hi.. btw.. sorry posted that without a comment. Was following the channel for a while now, great to be here and reading all your Warrior comments.

[ionic fern]

@errant oriole if you got no other trinkets for now it's a solid replacement.

[tame garden]

Poor warriors cant even loot their bis int trinket

[errant oriole]

well im wearing 425 alchemy one and the shield bubble one out of KR as a 435

[ionic fern]

Mchimba or w/e?

[errant oriole]

ya mchimba

[ionic fern]

That's horrible. 👀

[errant oriole]

O_O

is it really?

[ionic fern]

Yes, it is.

[errant oriole]

oh crap 😦

[ionic fern]

You have what you have. 🤷

Loot RNG. : )

Don't worry about it too much tho. You can still use it - there are just better options out there from m+ trinkets.

[tame garden]

It's the start of a new patch

Your current gear will be replaced in no time

[ionic fern]

^

[tame garden]

No need to sweat it

[errant oriole]

i have 430 fang from temple

😛

hate to ask but where do i go to learn the new recipes for professions?

i know its not a warrior question 😦

[tame garden]

Farming mobs in the daily vision is the recommended approach

For the void focus

[errant oriole]

oh god its a drop?

[waxen cradle]

honestly man the item level scale to 445 with anything over a +6 starts today and next week the item level cap increases to 470 for a 12-14 and 475 for +15 completed so if anything use this week to hunt some decent M+ trinkets from +6's and go from there

[errant oriole]

is there a list of trinks i can go by?

[waxen cradle]

Is all I would really worry about myself, and there are a few dps trinkets that are optional from raid but for M+ we will most likely go back to our old reliable trinkets from M+ as already stated above

There are not no, only purchasable trinkets they are will be the ones that are crafted so I would hunt M+ trinkets from +6s and above and see what you can get to fall from raid if you go in today.

Honestly nothing you can craft would reliably be comparative to the item level you could get from even Normal Nyalotha until heroic crafting is unlocked through quests really I think

[ionic fern]

From m+: the 2 first are preferable, the 2 last are "decent".
Rezan's Gleaming Eye
Gore-Crusted Butcher's Block

Jes' Howler
Animated Blood

[waxen cradle]

But exactly as Mwahi just posted those are solid M+ trinkets, and have been a constant this expac

[errant oriole]

dang i have a 420 gleaming eye

[exotic spoke]

Morning Prot chat

[tame garden]

👋 🐻

[sweet summit]

👋

[exotic spoke]

How goes everyone?

[tame garden]

Gonna be a long day at work waiting to play

[ionic fern]

Wdym work..on my way home

[tame garden]

[exotic spoke]

[mortal brook]

[sick sentinel]

[exotic spoke]

Rude

[sterile mantle]

May you all get t3 EVs

Lol

Good luck

[tame garden]

EV

Gimme gimme

[still flame]

@waxen cradle so the strategy once servers are back up to gear is to try and do M+ keys, +6 or more?

EV?

[exotic spoke]

Echoing void

And yeah for gear poochootrain. Don’t forget to dk the major assault, minor assault and daily visions too though

[still flame]

Major and minor assaults are not daily, correct?

[exotic spoke]

Correct

Major is once a week and minor is twice

[still flame]

OOOH is EV the best Corrupted ability that a Prot Warrior can get? not even the "taking damage gives you haste" ability?

[exotic spoke]

EV is the best Aoe damage

We don’t need a lot of extra survivability as it comes from proper play. So if we can get some amazing dps some people value that over survivability increases

[stoic forge]

how much artifact power do we get on reset if we have completed a 19 key this week ?

[still flame]

Gotcha, thanks for explaining @exotic spoke . And the corrupted items only drop from the raid or horrific visions?

[exotic spoke]

Items from M+ can corrupt too

[shut summit]

Corrupted is just replacing wf/tf

Once s4 starts all the shit will be able to afaik

[exotic spoke]

^^

[still flame]

O ok, very cool. Thanks for explaining both of you!

So it's back to the M+ grind 🙂

[oblique garnet]

Trinkets are the only things that cant corruption forge iirc

[sullen valve]

wowA got a new feature come see your rage gained from lucid major and minor

[exotic spoke]

WoWA is great

[weary thorn]

oh shit..he's rewriting history

[exotic spoke]

Nope not at all

[sullen valve]

:hmmmm:

What history is rewritten?

[ionic fern]

My hearts history. @sullen valve

Damn,no decent emojis

[sullen valve]

awww ♥️

🏩

[ionic fern]

What on earth is that

😂

[sullen valve]

Love hotel

:qqmonk:

[ionic fern]

👀

[sullen valve]

How do yall like the patch?

I'm loving it since all tank essences are trash meaning 0 wowA work

[mortal brook]

that wont stop ppl from using them, silly

[exotic spoke]

This tbh

[left hatch]

The amount of people iv seen adamant about needing a cheat death

[exotic spoke]

Honestly really enjoying it - despite not getting any corrupted pieces so far (other than good ritual)

[left hatch]

or taking a 2m aoe taunt cause "threat"

oof

best ritual*

[mortal brook]

its skittish week and how dare you question them

[left hatch]

do you not like an avg of 1% allstat per proc

obv thats yuuuuuge value

[mortal brook]

very big. 6 dps per corruption

[exotic spoke]

I mean, I was apparently wrong for suggesting people do more than the bare minimum in Horrific Visions

[sullen valve]

You guys don't know the true struggle

mw got updated to make a talent valid
Talent is when you rising sun kick things happen
there is a ww trait we can use to have a chance when you Rising Sun Kick it happens again
its not a true Rising Sun Kick so it doesn't trigger the talent
I wrote a guide saying that the trait does nothing
People keep asking it in peak so much we made a bot command to answer it

[exotic spoke]

Rip

But, also Abelito.... Leech

[mortal brook]

you just told us the true struggle so i mean, spoilers?

[tame garden]

@sullen valve uwu

[mortal brook]

frostmourne hungers uwuw

[sullen valve]

leech is huge

its 3 times bigger than my next biggest weight for my pally

huge stat weights

leech crushing it

[tame garden]

Are you excited for the new raid abe

[exotic spoke]

But as a warrior Abelito

[sullen valve]

Yes!!! It looks so fun from a healer pov

Plus new guild

[tame garden]

Oh good luck then!

[sullen valve]

Are yall excited?

[tame garden]

In very hyped

[sullen valve]

Idk how the tanking looks

[exotic spoke]

Yup - new guild too

[tame garden]

Raid tanking for my first time

[sullen valve]

Ohh that should be fun speg

[mortal brook]

tanking will be simple but impactful this tier. I think itll be nice

dont have a fucking novel to read for each boss

[sullen valve]

Maut looks interesting to tank tbh

[tame garden]

Vexiona bis

[sullen valve]

with the whole void zone interrupt

[tame garden]

Can lazorbeam my raid

[sullen valve]

This is gonna be good

Since mw and pally have taunt

so i just taunt on beam

[tame garden]

Lmao

[sullen valve]

wipe raid

Don't tell my tanks 🙈

[exotic spoke]

Are you tanks here?

[left hatch]

nobody tanks in this channel

don't lie

this is Hdh waiting room

[exotic spoke]

I tank

[tame garden]

This isnt brew channel

No main tanks here

[left hatch]

^havn't you heard? prot worst tank for raid

[oblique garnet]

🤔

[left hatch]

prot cancelled removing spec from game

(this is a joke for new ppl, don't take it seriously prot is fine)

[exotic spoke]

But we bring dps

[tame garden]

Warrior is for fite

[exotic spoke]

(That isn’t a joke)

[mortal brook]

literally just now :kappa

[tame garden]

[sullen valve]

@exotic spoke one of my tanks are

[left hatch]

oof, i like how even in the wowhead article it said utility and ease of play

didn't even say survivability

and ppl extrapolate from that

[oblique garnet]

@exotic spoke 🤔 So do the other tanks

[sullen valve]

isn't there a lot of magic damage coming up in the new raid?

Just hit spell reflect on cd

25% magic damage dr

[tame garden]

Isnt there a lot of magic damage in every raid

[exotic spoke]

You’re not wrong. But I bring more dps. In my head

[oblique garnet]

Also not tru

[solemn kelp]

dpsdpsdpdspdspdspds

[sullen valve]

😡

[oblique garnet]

But yeah there is significant amount of magic damage on the raid

[sullen valve]

Tanks are for tank not damage

[exotic spoke]

Yeah im just saying in my head I’m always top tier (except Uldir - but let’s forget that place)

[solemn kelp]

we healz two, don't forget RC omgz

[sullen valve]

no heal just mitigate damage

@ionic fern does a really good job of it

[exotic spoke]

^^

Anyway, good luck on the EV / IS roulette wheel and any raids y’all may have today

[still flame]

O.O so Raids are open at Normal difficulty this week?

[tame garden]

Normal and heroic

Next week mythic and first wing of lfr

[still flame]

nice! 445 for normal, that's cool. 460 for heroic is sweet but i havent played them on PTR or anything so id probably start on normal first

ilvl 433 should be ok for Normal, right?

[tame garden]

Ye

Might be a bit low for heroic

So normal first not a bad idea

[still flame]

yeah im not gonna jump into heroic until i have an understanding of how to tackle the bosses

[tame garden]

Tank notes is a great resource if you've never seen it

[still flame]

going to it now 🙂

[tame garden]

Boss guides written by tanks for tanks

[analog swift]

Btw any ideas about the heart of darkness trait

[still flame]

love it. if anyone wants to party up when the patch is live to be the 2 tanks for a Normal Raid group im down

otherwise im gonna go do some work to pass the time 🙂

[exotic spoke]

Heart of darkness, a good book and a great movie based off of it

[lucid dew]

What time does the new raid go live

[left hatch]

whenever maintenance ends

[tame garden]

1030 pst is current estimate

[lucid dew]

Ah I see

[crystal dirge]

do you guys know what affix went live on NA perchance?:p

[left hatch]

its not live yet

if it follows the cycle its... bolstering skittish fort

but tbd servers arn't up for another hour estimated

[crystal dirge]

ohhh, didnt really calculate the difference, sorry, if you'd be kind enough to put it here if it's up

[left hatch]

yah i can @ you

[warm plinth]

Yeah, and I don't feel like there's a good reason to reset it again tbh. They had to last time for the purpose of not having unbeatable overlaps in emissaries/affixes somewhat, but obelisks don't move and you kill the miniboss by itself anyway so it doesn't really impact the rest of the dungeon.

[left hatch]

^ it SHOULDNT alter the pattern but, you know, blizz lul

[warm plinth]

Won't be surprised if they do (and I wouldn't mind seeing sang/quake not be a thing anymore), but they don't have to

[crystal dirge]

quake nerf makes it a bit less problematic tho :p

[tame garden]

I'm fine with sang quake if it's not also void

[warm plinth]

It still makes TD a shitshow regardless of void/nerf

[left hatch]

quake nerf is only a nerf 90% of hte time

[warm plinth]

And TD is already bad enough on its own

[left hatch]

3 melle groups in places like TD

[tame garden]

Td is always a shitshow on sanguine

[left hatch]

are gonna be much more cancer

[tame garden]

Td is always a shitshow

[warm plinth]

#DeleteTolDagor

[tame garden]

My last td of the season we pulled shit from a floor above and it pulled 3 packs to us

Delete tol tagor

Scripted combat does not work

It's a bad idea and they shoulda learned that by now

[exotic spoke]

What’s the range of IS?

Asking, because of talking about TD. Will we have to worry about IS pulling through walls too?

[analog zinc]

isnt IS just a dmg proc

so shouldn't it only hit mobs you're attacking

[paper lake]

im 415 prot war can i solo thrall? my first vision or go with team?

[analog zinc]

yes fore

tho i'd just do fury

better for solo content imo

faster

[paper lake]

dont have veps for it

[vague coyote]

mobs are scaled to group size

[exotic spoke]

I mean things attack through walls in TD so I could see IS hitting them.

And yeah. The mobs in horrific visions scale with group size. I just went and did them with my M+ group

[analog zinc]

would you run worldvein minor in raid

[paper lake]

td is annoying xD

[analog zinc]

a bunch of people are apparently gonna be running it

[exotic spoke]

I wouldn’t. I may run it as a major though. People are talking about how busted it is.

Guardian chat was blowing up about it a bit ago

[analog zinc]

cant imagine its better than cruc for dmg

or vop for defense

[exotic spoke]

I can

Pretty easily with the buff it received. I’d want to test it but yeah

[analog zinc]

i know for pally & dh it sims lower than cruc

[frail blade]

hello, I want ask about essence when I have now 4 slot for keys which I need take for this week?

like 14-19 keys

[unborn sky]

Hello fella warriors

[analog zinc]

GL doing a 19 this weejk

[exotic spoke]

@frail blade I’d recommend going full defensive. So Vision major and then pick 3 of lucid, sphere, CnS, and aegis. If you need corruption resistance grab one of the new ones

And for a 19, it’s just a weekly no leavers key. That’s it. If you have access to one you do it. I’ll be in a 17 this week. We probably won’t time it, but we’ll finish it

[strong forum]

17 rip

[tame garden]

Maybe hes eu

And doing 19 beguiling key

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, I wanted a 22 but by the time we realized it... it was too late

[mortal brook]

UPDATE

[exotic spoke]

Disregard - this is what I get for being trusting

Was wrong - my source was a dirty liar

[night obsidian]

not yet

[mortal brook]

riki, servers are ||still not up||

[worn basalt]

^ god damnit that got me

[exotic spoke]

Disregard - that person is a dirty liar and I don’t trust them any more

[mortal brook]

:sadbear:

[exotic spoke]

Roo snap

[hallow phoenix]

Do you guys gamble azerite or save up for specific pieces

I really want 2x MS again but not sure if worth saving for

[daring marlin]

bahroo #1

[tame garden]

:roo7:

Saving up looks even more expensive this tier

[manic scaffold]

Are any of the new essences super good

[tame garden]

No

Formless minor looks ok

Rest is trash

[weary thorn]

10 weeks for 1 piece at +15 last I checked, unless the TR numbers changed

[hallow phoenix]

That's disgusting

[mortal brook]

2 weeks for a rando at +18

[weary thorn]

thats engaging gameplay

[mortal brook]

we got a long tier anywho

[weary thorn]

7 months for 3 pieces tho? That takes some fucking dedication

[left hatch]

that's excluding gains from scrapping though

[exotic spoke]

Tusks, I’ll random one of each slot then save. For specific

It’s like 45% chance of failure if you’re looking for a specific piece

By the time you could have just purchased it

[tame garden]

Ye I'm doing same riki

But only 2 gambles

Then saving rest of tier

[left hatch]

thats my plan as well

[daring marlin]

god asserite is amazing

who needs tier gear

[exotic spoke]

Random then save for chest / shoulders / head in that order

[left hatch]

esp since All of raid has BoM pieces, you can get by with raid gear for awhile

[daring marlin]

losers!

[tame garden]

Ye just pray for raid loot

And save for bis

Ez

[mortal brook]

oh shit servers are ||⬇️ ||

[warm plinth]

+15 is 2150 TR. 475 random is 4750. That’s pretty consistent with what it has been. 2.something weeks for a random at loot cap level.

[exotic spoke]

Coin wrathion for weapon. Coin for Azerite imo buy a boe shield

[daring marlin]

classic up but not bfa

rip

[mortal brook]

wut

[daring marlin]

precisely

[exotic spoke]

Classic finished early is all

Cause it’s easier

zing

[daring marlin]

ye

[novel agate]

classic finished early because they released it 14 years ago

[exotic spoke]

It’s ok they were just excited

[craggy harness]

can't be as excited as me levelling up for the first time ever in classic/vanilla

i should quit while i'm ahead, right

[hallow phoenix]

I actually did enjoy classic but simply don't have the time for both it and retail

[craggy harness]

semi joke on my part

my "introduction" to mmo's was a friend raiding some dragon in EQ

and fail for 6-9 hours

[hallow phoenix]

Lmao

[craggy harness]

Said "no mmos for me" at that point

Then I played City of Heroes some 6 years later, and then joined at end of WoTLK

[exotic spoke]

I hated leveling in vanilla. I tried it again in classic and hate it just about as much

[mortal brook]

WE UP

[daring marlin]

^

[craggy harness]

i assume it's a suckers game that level 2 was so "fast"

aand back to retail ;P

[exotic spoke]

We up boys

[craggy harness]

thanks for the update

hmm 440 howler. well, i guess there's worse things than research

[left hatch]

@crystal dirge bolstering skittish fort

[craggy harness]

well, that chest was underwhelming and underexpected

why was I expecting season 4 rewards for the chest done for 1st week

must have read wrong.

[hallow phoenix]

Would have been nice

[warm plinth]

Did you get double AP? @craggy harness

[craggy harness]

yes

[warm plinth]

Nice

[exotic spoke]

Nice

[tame garden]

Now this is epic

[craggy harness]

hmm, howler over comp device?

since str is str?

[strong forum]

I personally wouldn't

[warm plinth]

Yeah I wouldn't either

[strong forum]

Cuz I don't like the 2min CD on jes'

[craggy harness]

nods thanks

[spice musk]

Sometimes the Ilvl will be that high that it is stronger

[craggy harness]

Yeah, I won't toss it out, but, was unclear from just reading.

probably will get tossed out soon with new items anyway

in the I'm an idiot note, ever since i came back in december, i was wondering why my azerite gear was 5 higher than when i first looted

stupid innermost thing

https://tenor.com/view/homer-smart-simpsons-flames-gif-12447941

[analog zinc]

rank 1 bois

[tame garden]

[exotic spoke]

[analog zinc]

w8 should i be using vision minor

[craggy harness]

why are you asking us mr rank 1

[analog zinc]

sh

[exotic spoke]

The correct answer when you’re rank one parsing is

[left hatch]

hmmm guess its only a chacne for loot from assault caches now

[craggy harness]

oh?

[left hatch]

did vale, no loot in the box

[craggy harness]

damn

Sucks

[sick sentinel]

pretty sure it's only the wekly

weekly

and visions

[craggy harness]

uldum dropped for me

[sick sentinel]

yes

uldum is the weekly

[craggy harness]

yeah ^-

[left hatch]

last week both mini assaults had loot for me

[warm plinth]

I didn't get loot from the 2nd minor last week; it seems to be guaranteed coalescing visions, mementos, and then I got war resources on 1 toon and gold on another, but neither got an item.

[novel agate]

How many mementos do we get from the major and minor? Close to the elite exterminator buff was hoping to get it before going into a vision

[warm plinth]

I never really paid attention to the major, but the minor is random. I think I got like 58 on one toon and 67 on the other

[exotic spoke]

Not many from those. But you can farm inside the daily visions, from killing bounties (world pvp)

@novel agate

How close are you

[novel agate]

Ah I was about 400 away knew it was a long shot. Should have just gone for another lost zone last week.

[still flame]

so daily vision, both assaults, daily quests, anything else im missing for Coalescing?

[tame garden]

Rares and events in assault zones

Weekly chest in each assault zone

Regular chests in assault zones

[still flame]

@analog zinc can you link the log? I wanna see and learn from it

Thanks @tame garden

[exotic spoke]

He has rank 1, and please don’t take offense to this city, because very few people have done it yet

[left hatch]

1st of 10 is still first!

[exotic spoke]

Lol

You’re not wrong. But it’s less competitive than later

[tame garden]

How dare you downplay his achievement

Hes a god prot

[exotic spoke]

I had a world 4th WM last tier for a bit does that count?

[tame garden]

Yes

[novel agate]

If you aren't first you're last

[tame garden]

M+ logs are serious business

[left hatch]

2nd is just 1st loser

[analog zinc]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W9nT6fvyKQzrXkBM

[tame garden]

Yall didnt even bring a bear for maut smh

[exotic spoke]

It wasn’t damage. It was 4th highest completion time / key level

Until the other groups ran later in the week

[pallid berry]

I got a damage trinket for my tank spec

Is merekthas fang decent at all?

First time I’ve ever seen it

[analog zinc]

can't block during it

massive dmg tho

[exotic spoke]

It’s aight for aoe pulls at the cost of survivability.

Wow... inkpod May be bugged right now

Isn’t proccing the damage in Ny’alotha

If one person lets their stack fall off then no one’s inkpod procs damage

[west galleon]

its had the same bug for months

has nothing to do w nyalotha

[exotic spoke]

Ah, wasn’t aware.

Mah bad

[sick sentinel]

:bearknight:

Stoopid warios

I have come to protect the bear log, you have seen nuffin

goodbye

[chilly brook]

Wadu

[exotic spoke]

Hek

[chilly brook]

Wadu wadu

[exotic spoke]

Waduuuuuuuu

[chilly brook]

Hek

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[chilly brook]

🙃

[exotic spoke]

I’m thinking it’s time for a new pfp

Hrmmmmm

[manic scaffold]

Which boss fight is the hardest in nyalotha

[analog zinc]

dresagoth

25% melees

75% magic dmg

bruv

[pallid berry]

So good for open world pulls cause imagine dying

[exotic spoke]

Sup

[analog zinc]

oh wow

wrathion

11% melee

11% phys*

[nimble mauve]

fellas

capped pvp last night and was 1800

no C&S currency today

big sad

[analog zinc]

F

[tame garden]

As expected

Offseason = no conflict progress

[exotic spoke]

Rip in pepperonis

[grizzled glen]

what do you guys think of the mechagon shield?

[exotic spoke]

Not worth unless higher Ilvl

[grizzled glen]

recently got one at 445 from a 6

was wondering if it's worth using over a similar ilvl

[crystal dirge]

@left hatch nice, thanks! :p

[exotic spoke]

If it’s the same Ilvl then no, it’s not worth using

[rugged berry]

is sigil of warding good trinket for warprot ?

[red dock]

Is a second DC or callous reprisal better in M+?

[chilly brook]

Callous reprisal in most use cases

[red dock]

I wasn't clear, both would be second picks

[chilly brook]

The DR from CR stacks with multiple traits

Hence why for general use I would recommend a second CR over a second DC

[full crane]

Hey guys, witch one is better?

[chilly brook]

Although it really depends on your use case

[full crane]

With hast rune

[chilly brook]

@full crane sim it

[exotic spoke]

No, don’t sim it

Are you looking at them from a defensive stance or offensive?

Or blend?

[full crane]

More for defensive.

[exotic spoke]

I think the stone is probably better based on the Ilvl difference then.

Simming is only for offensive purposes

[warm plinth]

Plus 40% bigger health pots ❤️

[full crane]

Tks Guys ❤️

Stone them

[sick sentinel]

I would have world 1st normal kills

if I had corruption

I'm getting world 2nd on most bosses

because world first has infinite stars

so aids

it does 9k their damage

[exotic spoke]

I wish I had good corruption :(. Oh wait - I can farm it now 🙂

[lilac thorn]

corruption will carry any dps far more, then TF ever did. it's fun if you get nice corruption items, but absolute cancer if you have bad luck and can't compete. rng at it's best.

[sharp night]

you aren't gonna have bad enough luck where you never get a good corruption though, you can just farm lower ilvl items until you get a corruption or trade for it when people are capped on their corruption

[lilac thorn]

sure you are right, but that shows how 'broken' it is, that you trade lower ilvl gear, because it is far better (in terms of dps that is) because of corruption. for me that is something that I never liked

[grim skiff]

How strong is the corruption Twilight devestation? got a 445 ilvl belt in chest but my 430 belt has the corruption TD on it

[warm plinth]

It's pretty good

Like top 2 in AoE, top 3 or 4 in ST I think?

[grim skiff]

i only do M+ ... seems like its prob better than the ilvl the 445 belt has socket too 😢

[opal python]

so if i don't have a single bastion

between a 420 bastion and a 435 iron fortress, what should i go?

[chilly brook]

435

That's also a question that should be answered in #268491842637660160 in the guide

[opal python]

ah cheers

[sick sentinel]

Where is all my corruption

I thought this system was supposed to be better than TF

[warm plinth]

Who said that?

Your hopes and dreams?

[exotic spoke]

@sick sentinel just get good

Imagine not having something other than Void Ritual... oh wait... I don’t have to imagine 😦

[sick sentinel]

fresh 120 war, would yall gear prot or fury first or does it matter

[exotic spoke]

Prots easy - just equip the highest Ilvl (for the most part).

So, get the highest Ilvl and then decide from there and you can be more specific in the gear you want for fury - IMO I

[astral crystal]

Yfw

[manic scaffold]

What do you guys think of the raid so far

[sterile mantle]

Im trying to debate if vision food is worth it

[grand drum]

what vision food?

[sterile mantle]

the new foods give visio specific buffs

[warm plinth]

I mean, movement speed is always good. One of them gives you 100 sanity (which isn't much now but when we have a lot more SR, it'll be big especially in mask runs with half sanity). One of them is basically rabbit charms for visions, and one is like 20% movement speed

[warm plinth]

Nice

[chilly brook]

It's kind of just a glorified bag piece that I get to brag to my DPS about

[warm plinth]

Why's that

You don't wanna use it?

Sacrifice yourself for damage man

[chilly brook]

Not while trialing lmao

[grim skiff]

Anyone know corruption power in ilvl comparisons

Yet

[chilly brook]

uhhhh

valuable enough that dropping ilvl for damage will probably be worth it

depending on corruption effect that is

[grim skiff]

I got the frontal aoe of 6% my Max health (430 ilvl)
Comparing against 445 with socket and good stats

[sick sentinel]

+6s pipe man

I'm over here expecting I can mass pull the entire dungeon

but it hits like a +19/20 but dies like a +15

[left hatch]

if you're talking Wrathion wep that is not worth 15 ilvls

even ignoring socket and what secondaries

[sick sentinel]

is it not that good

[left hatch]

end of the day he can sim himself but ST it only adds like 1k dps

which im pretty sure 15 ilvls of a weapon adds more

[cunning kraken]

that obsidian skin corruption is bad right?

[left hatch]

and for w/e reason Searing Flames also doesn't sim for much higher in aoe than it does ST

[cunning kraken]

i should clear the corruption off of it

[left hatch]

i think (think) its better than void ritual

so if you got nothing else why not keep it?

[cunning kraken]

well i just cant use it cus of the high corruption

like i dont know how reliable the sims on bloodmallet are but it looks awful

wanted to make sure i dont fuck up

[left hatch]

sims are only for dps

so if you're looking for defensive value you don't use it

downside being is corruptions main value is gonna be offensive lul

[cunning kraken]

oooh im actually dumb as hell hahah i forgot i was on the prot section

really sorry

[left hatch]

np lol

anyone have a recommended boss kill order

going into heroic in about an hour

[analog zinc]

i really want wrath wep

[analog zinc]

all the trash i've killed today

[upbeat sigil]

Normal sword but not a bad start xD

[sullen flame]

Hows the mechagon shield? Proc looks interesting but I cant tell if it actually procs that often

[undone sun]

not worth dropping ilevel for

[sterile mantle]

what a good stat breakdown....trying to what to put in a socket...mainly raid tanking and M+

this si my current break down

[sick sentinel]

Just gem haste

[sterile mantle]

thats what i was thinking....that or vers

[distant crystal]

120str

then haste

[sick sentinel]

Never vers

There is no time where you'd gem vers

[sterile mantle]

does 120 really make that big a difference

[sick sentinel]

Does 50 haste really make that big a difference

[sterile mantle]

ok ive been gemming all haste was jsut curious if there was a breaking point

[sick sentinel]

Exactly

Gem 120 str and then haste

[sterile mantle]

I was just asking, if anything had changed....no need to be a dick about it

[sick sentinel]

There is a soft breaking point theoritically but it's not something you should bug your mind with

[sterile mantle]

lol i try to min/max to the extreme

[sick sentinel]

You'll do alright, trust

[sterile mantle]

id hope, was in top 10 on my server for Season 3

[royal cairn]

SALT

[sterile mantle]

dude lol

has anyone had a COrruption drop from a M+ yet

[near ivy]

look literally 1 message up

[sterile mantle]

lol didnt lookt at item name lol....assumed it was from cache lol

[warm plinth]

Cache items can't corrupt this week

[sick sentinel]

you can get mythic+ corruption gear

[pallid berry]

hey how good is sigil of corruption

errr sigil of warding

the maut trinket

[limpid pawn]

so what are the bis m+ tanking corrupteion effects?

[sick sentinel]

VIsion major, CNS/Lucid sphere

aegis for teeming weeks

[limpid pawn]

wut

i know that, the corruption effects are what im asking about 🙂

[sick sentinel]

echoing void

[plush prism]

Impassive or Gemhide, GO!

[sick sentinel]

impassive

[plush prism]

Okay, what if you already have one Impassive?

Is it better to do Gemhide since you only get the increased heal?

[sick sentinel]

impassive all the way

[ruby violet]

so Psyche Shredder is list as BIS for Prot trinket on Bloodmallet

is that a bug or something?

[left hatch]

nope

its best dps trinket for a lot of melee specs rn

[sage flax]

Except for it being only proccable on spells now

They fixed PS

[left hatch]

ah rip

[pallid berry]

is our tank trinket list updated for new trinkets?

do they all just kinda blow?

cause i got sigil of warding and dunno if i should be using it over urchin and edict

[placid wren]

Do anyone know if cleansing Faralos, Empire's Dream removes the AoE effect?

[left hatch]

yes it does

[pallid berry]

yea dont cleanse it

im big sad my fury warrior got it for his off spec

i couldnt grab it

[terse dragon]

Would you guys use the Sigil Warding 460 over 430 edict?

[pallid berry]

thats what i was asking

[terse dragon]

Yeah honestly

With edict stacking

I think it might be better?

Not sure though

only way to tell is overall healing

I think the sigil would be better

[placid wren]

should i just blame blizzard for not being consistent? Faralos eff is green instead of purp

[distant crystal]

the weapons are all green aren't they

[placid wren]

Some are, some arent

[short tartan]

adoes it worth stacking rekless flurry in prot

[sick sentinel]

is it worth stacking reckless flurry?

if you're trying to parse yeh

but you're going to be on prog for most fights now if you do mythic

I would never use it

[deft socket]

I have a 425 Jes Howler and a 445 Rezan. Which is better?

[distant crystal]

LOL

[grim skiff]

Rezan

[novel agate]

got a 460 sword from wrathion, do i cleanse it? im at 53 corruption with it and a 12% mastery, stacking crit and a t1 mindflayer. thoughts

[pallid berry]

dont cleanse it, its pretty good with its corruption effect

[manic scaffold]

hey is the re roll vendor the same

or is it different since its a different raid

[left hatch]

same

[warm plinth]

Azerite vendor gives you dungeon azerite, not raid

[left hatch]

i think they meant like coin rerolls

for loot

not the azerite vendor

[warm plinth]

Oh, odd way to phrase it but you might be right 😅

[frosty holly]

Both are the same eitherway

[rigid ember]

Is there any secondary stat percentages i should be trying to hit for m+

[left hatch]

nope

Ilvl>all

if its same ilvl haste>crit>verse>mast for M+

[glass finch]

Any corruption that stands out as good on m+? Do we want the leech?

[ionic fern]

Twilight Devastation.
Echoing Void
Racing Pulse.

And No, we do not want leech.

[distant crystal]

i just got a socket +9% mastery piece

D:

[chilly brook]

@ionic fern what about this?

[sweet summit]

Looks bad idk i think you should scrap it

[chilly brook]

Tbh I'm actually triggered I got it because I can't even use it

Corruption is too high

[sweet summit]

Go farm some visions

[sick sentinel]

rank 7 would solve that

27 resistance

[chilly brook]

At 27 resistance you'd still be proc'ing the ghost thing

[sick sentinel]

you're proccing the thing that does the shadow damage

which really doesn't do much

[chilly brook]

The one that chases you?

[sick sentinel]

that's 50+ right?

[chilly brook]

40iirc

[sick sentinel]

ahh 40

[chilly brook]

Yep no its 40

So it'd be super counterproductive especially in raid

If I was dps it'd be ok

[warm plinth]

Nah man as long as it only procs every 25 sec you're gold 😂

[chilly brook]

Look some of the stuff in nyalotha already trucks lmao

Especially that trash

[warm plinth]

I was referring to someone yesterday who said that you can pop SR on the add and it insta-despawns it when it hits you

[chilly brook]

Who thought it was a good idea to put 10 casters in a trash pack and have each cast do 100k

Literally bonkers

[warm plinth]

Definitely gonna have to make sure you have shock bots on everyone for Junkyard

3rd most damaging ability lol

[sweet summit]

Zap scales with keystone level ive heard, thats true?

[chilly brook]

I would assume that would be the case

But either way you'd want it

[mortal brook]

meh to the wrathion 1her

[warm plinth]

Yeah, that was in a +5

[chilly brook]

It was a significant portion of damage in the pre m+ version of mechagon

[warm plinth]

btw +5 also drops 445 so don't fret about 6s too much

Not that it's a huge difference, but thought I'd mention it

[mortal brook]

most are gonna have 6s tho, since they prob ran 10s

[warm plinth]

Yeah I was just putting the info out there

[mortal brook]

5s rarer unless you premade and tank it on purpose

[chilly brook]

@mortal brook I'm assuming that's just a single target fight?

[ionic fern]

That doesn't look too bad tbh..how long is that fight?

[mortal brook]

yeah, with full uptime on facing the boss. on aoe its right about the same

almost 4m

[chilly brook]

A 3% boost isn't bad but compared to what you can get for the corruption

[mortal brook]

for sure

if i get an ev tho ill prob cleanse

or hold on till higher resist

[chilly brook]

Just unfortunate

Especially when looking at other weapons from this tier

[mortal brook]

ilvl > all is rarely bad

[chilly brook]

I'm just talking in terms of effects comparatively

[mortal brook]

oh yeah for sure

stars just got ANOTHER 25% and its still rockin really nice dps percorruption

[chilly brook]

Like the bdk weapon

[mortal brook]

rip that weapon lol

[chilly brook]

Still probably better than our 1h by a long shot lol

[mortal brook]

also holy heck m+ corruption rate is low. took 16 5s/6s before we saw a corruption

(it was an avoidance back piece)

[warm plinth]

We did like

[mortal brook]

[warm plinth]

5

And got one, but it wasn't good lol

[chilly brook]

It probably follows the same rules as TF did

[mortal brook]

so can confirm, back pieces can corrupt lol

[warm plinth]

Hunter got an 8% leech one

[mortal brook]

I think so. 1/3 of 1/3 of 1/3 same as a +15 TF

[chilly brook]

Aka every key above a 10 nets increased chance

[mortal brook]

8% leech prob worth wearing mail right?

[chilly brook]

Yes

[mortal brook]

😄

[undone sun]

hmmm

[chilly brook]

110%

Actually

10000000%

[mortal brook]

oh, and sanity gain from k'bab doesnt double tick on 20s now. just 1 at 10s

still nice tho. couple hundo gain per run

[warm plinth]

I'm just excited about the gnasher food on my DH

[chilly brook]

I definitely think corruption needs to be a one and done thing after this patch