if as a tank you get hit from your back what does not apply at your mitigation?
#protection
cloud hound
sick sentinel
okay thx @gaunt dawn
gaunt dawn
Think about yourself irl. If you get hit from behind 😉
You cant do anything to mitigate or avoid it. Just take the hit
cloud hound
i know. but our main tank is salty cos during azshara progress he was turning his back during movement and getting two shot and now he said he tried it at the dummy
cloud hound
i dont really want to remember it.
gaunt dawn
Sounds like your main tank needs a bit of retraining in the basics
Which is fine to have from time to time as basics can often be neglected. Especially if you only play one role and dony understand the wider impact
I.e. career tank
cloud hound
ty a lot. i know. we try. :/
gaunt dawn
For ex. This can just be a useful bit for anyone here.
If you play a healer for a bit you'll start to really see why damage smoothing is important.
And how useful communication is for mitigation downtime
brittle owl
tbh when i heal i just get carpal tunnel
signal plover
Tldr: don't turn your back to bosses or RIP
maiden canyon
what should I expect tryin got mythic prog as a Prot Warrior?
astral crystal
Pain
maiden canyon
Just looking over the fights. The damage profiles, add groupings, etc. when compared to other tanks toolkits
Yes, Ziggy
broken isle
Well
tanknotes shows damage profiles for each boss
Guides can tell you when to swap and when ur tanking adds
maiden canyon
I've read thru those, but I hear "raidwide" magic damage will be a killer for Prot
I guess I'm asking, how much harder will it be for the healers to keep up a Prot warrior, v., a Pally or Monk.
broken isle
There are better tanks than me here but
I dont think you should concern yourself with raidwide dmg
If there's a time in the fight where the boss or adds get u low, and raidwide is about to come out that could kill u
Healers can external u I suppose
ionic fern
Every tank struggles with magic damage. You have more than enough CDs to deal with it,not to mention essences/trinkets.
maiden canyon
Gotcha.
broken isle
Trinkets and certain essences can give u additional cds to use yea
If u feel u need them
pearl sinew
Hi Everyone, we are planning a heroic clear next week and then progression on following week. I went prot warr this patch. I would love to know what people run for a defensive setup (don't care about dmg for now) with azerite traits and essences.
Thanks in advance!
wintry ermine
check the icyveins guide
pearl sinew
Is there a straight defensive section?
wintry ermine
it has everything, and has explainations
pearl sinew
ok will do, I went to wowhead but it didn't really get into defensive builds too much
broken isle
Heroic clear man
pearl sinew
Thank you sir!
broken isle
I'll get AOTC week 3 the earliest lol. GL to u
pearl sinew
Well it may be different this tier since I am changing off my BrM to Prot warr lol. Maybe we will be there in 3 weeks this tier haha
broken isle
Nah to get week 1 u need the drive
wintry ermine
bored of BRM?
broken isle
And the hope that nzoth is actually killable
maiden canyon
looks like Brm is gonna get shit on for m+ with the loss of the trinkets
old monolith
Anyone tell me about the bloodsport build? Basic concept and why you would use it? Do you stack 2 or 3 bloodsport traits and use memory? Worth messing around. I mainly pug 10 plus keys and heroic raids.
warm plinth
There's no such thing as a bloodsport build. There's using Lucid as a major, which is done in very high keys to have large chunks of uptime on Avatar. It is completely irrelevant for the level of content you're doing.
exotic spoke
Morning y’all
warm plinth
👋
exotic spoke
I’m pumped for tonight
exotic spoke
Going for a full clear of horrific vision and then deciding if we want to use our extra key this week
Also pumped for Wednesday for that reason Speg
tame garden
exotic spoke
I no life’d the grind this past week cause I was sick.... have enough for 7 runs (including the first one that doesn’t give a cloak reward) this week
exotic spoke
Almost like 2/3s the way to 66
warm plinth
Wow that debuff is actually obnoxious
empty nacelle
Which one?
warm plinth
there's a debuff during one of the Uldum bonus objectives that changes you into a bug for 2 minutes
empty nacelle
The one from the poison breath?
warm plinth
Yeah probably.
empty nacelle
Never seen a shape change one, interesting
warm plinth
I mean, it's probably not bad if you want to kill shit because it has one attack that does like 123k damage
But I was trying to do the quest to burn the eggs with the flamethrower, so I had to just sit there until it wore off lol
empty nacelle
astral crystal
It’s that gene sequencing debuff
frosty holly
warm plinth
Yep
exotic spoke
Dwarf racial always comes in handy
exotic spoke
Time to figure out optimum coin usage for the next couple weeks
tame garden
😉
tame garden
Only 1 shield in raid right? Worth coining or just gonna spam m+ for one
warm plinth
I'm saving my coins for the BoE shield
exotic spoke
First one I can afford that I see on the AH I’m buying
Like any good American, I’ll throw money at the problem
mortal brook
def gonna camp for a shield
warm plinth
How not poor are you
tame garden
Millions
tame garden
exotic spoke
I think my next payoutis more than that ghash
warm plinth
Probably. I think I have literally a 0 balance right now
So I'm kinda on the opposite end of that
exotic spoke
Not quiet. I haven’t done much boosting recently because of the prices
tame garden
Ye not worried about 20k 10s when next tier will be so lucrative
exotic spoke
^^
tame garden
And the untimed 19/20s seem giga trap if you get bad boosters
Saw a 2h+ run and never looked again
exotic spoke
Can you do those now?
warm plinth
15s role can do the untimed ones I think
warm plinth
Man where is the rep coming from in this wowhead shit
exotic spoke
Ahh ok
warm plinth
Where are you guys at for the new reps
sick sentinel
Friendly 🙂
sick sentinel
I don’t want the factions thinking we are anything more than friends
tame garden
Not in any rush tho the only insane essence is the dps only one
warm plinth
Like wowhead's thing yesterday said that after yesterday's dailies I should be at 3900 friendly with Rajani. I didn't hit that til today lol (and not even; 3825)
tame garden
So I'm fine coasting to exalted
warm plinth
Just trying to figure out where tf they're getting rep from
sick sentinel
Do they have contracts
warm plinth
You can't make the contracts til Revered, so no one should have a contract yet
warm plinth
Havoc main, so I gotta do the reps 😭
At least, the one for the DPS essence lol
And doing the other for the reusable rune
tame garden
Reusable rune is tempting but not enough to grind world content for me
analog swift
Which one is reusable rune again?
exotic spoke
What re are you at now ghash?
analog swift
I mean it looks like it will save money but then again who cares
warm plinth
They were posting it in their "today in" article, but it's not in today's article.
Yesterday's said NA players should be at 3900 for Rajani and 5700 for Uldum (Friendly)
I'm at 3825 Rajani and 4825 Uldum, but I haven't finished the first minor assault quest chain in Uldum yet so that will probably get me over 5k
But other than a couple of skipped dailies because they were obnoxious (got stuck on 2/4 rares the other day in Vale), I haven't missed anything that I'm aware of.
tame garden
Have you been killing every rare
exotic spoke
Pet battle?
warm plinth
And that's after today's stuff btw, so I'm quite a bit behind
exotic spoke
Done every event
tame garden
Gives rep on first kill afaik
warm plinth
I'm pretty sure I've killed every Vale rare at least once. Might be missing some in Uldum yet.
I don't do the pet battles but there's only 4 in each zone and they're 1 time rep anyway, and I have done every event every day
warm plinth
So at most I should be like 375 behind on Vale, and 300+the rest of the quest chain behind on Uldum
The pet battles in Nazjatar/Mecha only give rep the first time despite it being a repeatable quest; I imagine these are the same.
exotic spoke
Did you do two sets of dailies on Friday in Uldum?
warm plinth
Yeah
exotic spoke
I think that every WQ gives rep, so if they are showing up as WQ they give rep
warm plinth
Pet battles don't show up as a WQ
They're just a pet battle icon on the minimap
If I'm wrong, then that would be where I'm missing, but I can't do the pet battles
They're actual mobs, not the "masters" so they don't scale down
exotic spoke
I can’t see the “you should be here” for rep but I could be blind
exotic spoke
Ah ok
warm plinth
It does say on their guide that it's a "daily pet battle" though so I'm guessing that's probably where I'm missing
Since I'd be missing 8 of them (assuming they reset on Friday as well)
That's 600 rep
chilly brook
@sick sentinel I mean tbh I'm starting to wonder it this patch is even worth playing
exotic spoke
Why?
tame garden
This patch is nice to play casually. If you're trying to grind out the most rep and visions possible then ye prob not very fun
exotic spoke
I honestly wish that the cloak didn’t take multiple runs (at a minimum) to level up each week
Having to bank them makes me sad
That’s my one complaint, conceptually, so far
left hatch
i have a feeling blizz is gonna do something about that
reduce requirements for later ranks
cause the gap bewteen people that bank vs don't bank makes ppl getfurther behind in the end
than the old system
and its incentivizing people to not do the new content :l
exotic spoke
Yup, my group is in an odd situation
exotic spoke
5 of us
The rogue got screwed out of one because a bug didn’t properly give him credit for our first run.
3 (maybe 4 I don’t know about one person) of us have farmed up another run.
Rogue will still get his cloak to level 6
2-3 of us will have an extra run
Rogue and at least one person won’t have an extra run
Vessels of horrific visions and or coalescing visions. You should be saving anything not needed for leveling your cloak - assuming you only get three runs a week
mental scarab
Aha
exotic spoke
And one of the people with an extra run is using his tomorrow prior to his raid for the level up
So just trying to figure out the optimum usage
I guess I save mine just Incase we mess something up. Which feels bad because I’m really enjoying them
left hatch
so on Freehold, i get how to tank the boss with your healer/a ranged baiting out the bird
but how do you bait out the poo puddles
watching streams it seems they can consistently get them to not spawn on melee, but w/e i do it seems to always be on us and need to reposition
sweet summit
Watch the bird in the sky, he poops on closest target
warm plinth
The ranged needs to pay attention to where the bird is. He poops on the closest person.
tame garden
You smell like parrot guano
left hatch
oooh gotcha
warm plinth
Chikaka!
exotic spoke
Yeah, it’s all on the ranges Morrison
sweet summit
Fh and siege are double ranged dungeons. The rest is triple melee dream
sweet summit
Ya sorry, ment 1 rdps+ranged healer
exotic spoke
Some are more punishing than others... please see shrine and TD
tame garden
I did underrot 20 with boomy/shadow/firemage
sterile mantle
shutter Shrine, the bainnof.my existence
exotic spoke
I mean, I’d be fine with that. And was that shrine fortified?
Cause if so, it’s aight. I meant on tyrannical
The issue with TD is the targeting on last boss prioritizes ranged
So if you have 3 ranged (2 dps and a ranged healer) the are going to get the explosive every time
exotic spoke
Yeah I think it’s easier then
And yes, it’s not that you can’t do it - it’s that it’s harder than 1 ranged 2 melee
warm plinth
Knowing who is going to get the explosives would be an advantage wouldn't it (I have zero healing experience beyond like a 15 so idk)
warm plinth
Fair enough
exotic spoke
Except is massive damage and they stop having defensives lol
warm plinth
I thought they didn't start 1-shotting til after that
tame garden
It's the doubles
exotic spoke
^^
warm plinth
I know doubles are bad, but what does that mean exactly?
I run with only 1 ranged so we don't always get it on the same people
tame garden
The boss cycles through his abilities. Every cycle has a chance to have 2 explosive bursts or just 1
exotic spoke
Doubles are just when the explosive lines up back to back
tame garden
The healing required is massively different between the two cases
exotic spoke
And it fucking hurts - healer doesn’t have time to get everyone topped off
Usually*
warm plinth
Yeah, we have only done TD on 19 tyr and we magically didn't get a single double the entire fight
So I haven't really experienced the nightmare lol
exotic spoke
It’s RNG
tame garden
Ye if you get unlucky you just lose unless your healer is a monster
exotic spoke
^^
tame garden
Cool boss design
exotic spoke
The best
tame garden
analog zinc
i remember seeing an rsham heal a 23 fort td with so many doubles
lemme see if i can find link
5 doubles
analog zinc
double range hurts a lot for it
exotic spoke
Also, it’s a fortified
2 range is fine for it. Triple range is cancer for it
I mean it’s impressive. But the comp really helps make it easier
urban birch
Yo all the big brain prot theorists, whats the best esseance setup now (including 3rd minor)
exotic spoke
Do you need corruption Resistance
exotic spoke
and it depends on what you’re doing
urban birch
im mainly gonna do raiding, but also m+ on the side, going fury for everything else
exotic spoke
But yeah - basically. Same as before with formless if you need Corruption Resistance. If not, add in one of the other good ones from before
So
urban birch
cool cool, thank you ❤️
exotic spoke
Youll want visions or CoF for Major
Sphere, Null, aegis, CNS, Lucid for minor
Depending on if you can go offensive or defensive you’ll change what you’re taking
sick sentinel
I run whatever is worse
half carbon
How much health does a high ilvl bdk have? 😮
exotic spoke
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tame garden
Not enough
exotic spoke
With or without Fort?
sweet summit
without
exotic spoke
At 451 equipped I have 588, 580 if armory is to be trusted
sweet summit
high hp doesnt mean i dont get globaled tho
exotic spoke
I’d have to assume he’s asking for the corruption effects
sweet summit
probably
exotic spoke
Does BDK have a way of increasing their health like Last stand?
sweet summit
yea, vamp blood
exotic spoke
The correct answer I’m looking for is “no - because no one wants BDK” /s
sweet summit
30% extra hp and healing recieved for 10 seconds
exotic spoke
What’s the Cd?
sweet summit
1.5 minutes
and you can talent into red thirst to make the cd get reduced by 1 sec for every 10 rp you spend
exotic spoke
@warm plinth see that talent looks good.... I wonder why you wouldn’t take it.....
@sick sentinel
sweet summit
because its on the same row as bonestorm
exotic spoke
It’s a joke 🙂
sweet summit
oh 🙂
tame garden
🙂
sweet summit
isnt the entire spec of bdk a joke?
exotic spoke
Zing
shut summit
exotic spoke
The one I referenced did. Ask Mandl 🙂
tame garden
All pugs play it bad 🙁
warm plinth
Why am I being pinged for BDK shit :p
exotic spoke
Because it’s a joke... about a certain person
warm plinth
Fuck that certain person 🙂
ionic fern
No ruderino.
ionic fern
Hi. 🙂
exotic spoke
I wish Late would teach me the ways of getting good corrupted items
ionic fern
I got sick ones also.
exotic spoke
Did you really?
mortal brook
I dont wanna brag, but I got an avoidant3
ionic fern
No ..i got the stat one that stacks..and a mastery proc. 😂
exotic spoke
I’ve gotten void ritual. That’s it
ionic fern
Feels bad
exotic spoke
Feels bad man indeed
analog zinc
i have 2 void rituals 🙂
sick sentinel
Anyone else get t2 leech
analog zinc
i was afk & my mouse was hovering over heroic leap
this thing resets the CD of taunt????
tame garden
T1 leech
analog zinc
tame garden
Yes
chilly brook
@exotic spoke the reason why is that imo corrupted gear is so far actually worse than TF, it introduces a lot more rng into the equation. And the rest of the content is kinda more of the same with more "hey you need to play everyday for x amount of time" thrown in
exotic spoke
¯_(ツ)_/¯
chilly brook
Granted
I'm also mythic raiding so that's partially self/guild inflicted requirements
tame garden
If someone got a lucky 455 last tier week 1 it was a nice boost. If you get a nice corruption week1 it doubles your damage
exotic spoke
If you’re not having fun don’t play. At least with the new system, you aren’t hoping for ideal pieces - Ilvl upgrades with sockets.
Here you just need the corruption. And you have a ton of time to get a bunch of options
You can add the sockets later
Originally I didn’t like the corruption. With the removal of the range of corruption in a given tier I’ll give it a chance
tame garden
Seems reasonable
exotic spoke
There are major issues with IS and EV. Those certainly need to be addressed
warm plinth
Yeah tbh sockets are an afterthought at this point because eventually you'll easily get sockets
Corruption effects are far more important
tame garden
And yet blizzard sits around with their thumbs up their butts
exotic spoke
Well just have to wait and see how it goes. I’m hesitant about the system. But it has potential
chilly brook
On the bright side I got into a better guild after dipping out of my old one
exotic spoke
Horrific visions are fun. I can’t wait to be done with the cloak leveling so I can just spam them instead of having to save
long merlin
Null barrier or conflict and strife for motherlode?
exotic spoke
CnS Personally Belzedup
chilly brook
You killed the system by making me have to pool then
long merlin
thought so
chilly brook
At least in the short term
exotic spoke
Means any you earn above your three a week can be used though
chilly brook
At least raid and m+ opens up this next week so there'll be way better motivation
left hatch
more sources for corruption is gonna make it feel way better
than a 3-5 (depending on you got hit by vision bug) chances for it
tame garden
O yeah just feels bad this week
Cuz only got a couple chances at op corruptions
But when we can farm it its fine
left hatch
^
and given the increased chance of Corruption and sockets being something you can create
the rng is way more lenient than TF
exotic spoke
445 loot from 6s this week yeah?
tame garden
445
exotic spoke
Downgrading Ilvl to get Corruption feels bad man
chilly brook
I'm also on a rainbow six kick since I just built my new pc and I'm jamming on a stable 144fps
sinful vortex
warm sleet
@vocal skiff is this possible today?
warm plinth
Do you actually get parts every time?
chilly brook
Bruh
warm plinth
I knew you got it from heroic but didn’t know you could spam it?
warm sleet
I got the 1st and 2nd rank this week from there and didn’t bother trying for the gears for the 3rd. I didn’t think it dropped in heroic
distant crystal
or spam +6 next week for rings and get it :p
vocal skiff
You don't get it everytime no
But I see reports of luck people with 50% drop rate
With people not braindead, it's a 10 min to clear workshop
rough egret
What essences would you pick for 19 shrine this week?
analog zinc
null minor
rough egret
rest doesnt matter? 😄
analog zinc
idk man
woven venture
Me and my dudes just did the hard mode of op mech to get rank 3 VoP. There's nothing hard about it at all other than if you have one guy who misclicks the king mech buttons out of order, lol.
exotic spoke
But... it’s hardmode.:.. on mythic
chilly brook
@rough egret the same exact essences I would normally pick for almost any dungeon....
warm plinth
wdym you can't spam heroic? The only heroic lockout is if you manually enter heroic. Entering a heroic via the LFD tool has never resulted in a lockout.
exotic spoke
VoP Major then pick 2 (or 3) of CnS, Lucid, Aegis, sphere
warm plinth
Awkward moment when it wasn't at the bottom
exotic spoke
I wouldn’t use null, the shield is kinda minor, plus you should be interrupting or reflecting most casts anyway. The extra dps it provides at rank 3 is minor as well since its split between all mobs around you
tame garden
Null 
mystic whale
Id be curious to know what's your minor setup if you think Null is bad
rough egret
thank you guys 🙂
exotic spoke
I currently run aegis CnS and lucid
Null is used in raid, in TEP, not for survivability but for dps.
In m+, as you get to higher keys, you don’t want to get hit by magic damage at all. The shield that null applies is relatively minor compared to the damage you’d take for letting a cast go off.
mystic whale
aaah its a M+ thing
im a weird one, I just MT raids and pretty much ignore M+
in raid Null is pretty damn good
exotic spoke
For offensive builds, I’d run with the following minors - vision, null, and CnS (though I’d have to sim they last one)
It’s good for damage - not necessarily survival. It’s not bad it’s just there are other options usually for survival - not like it’s usually necessary
Having a fourth slot may change it now. So, time will tell
mystic whale
hmm we get a 4th minor ?
exotic spoke
You get a 4th essence slot. So right now I have visions major, cns aegis and lucid minor for defensive
For raid it’s looking like CoF Major, visions, null, and I think CnS minor but I’ll have to sim
For me* being more offensively minded - until I need to go defensive for whatever reason
tame garden
Whatever reason = magic damage the warriors greatest weakness kappa
mystic whale
I still dont know what ill use for the last minor when I get there though
exotic spoke
I wish we had access to some of the other new essences
mystic whale
all the new tank essences seems so bad
but I feel im gonna have to use one for the corrupt resist
mystic whale
I mean, I say that in absolute ignorance of how good Nyalotha's loot will be
and how much corruption resist tanks will need
warm plinth
Formless isn't a bad essence
mystic whale
yeah ok I just reread what it does. Rank 3 will benefit the whole raid basically ?
exotic spoke
It depends on what you use 🙂
mystic whale
I guess that's a lock then
exotic spoke
If you’re using CoF in raid then formless has pretty good uptime just because of you
primal crypt
mystic whale
why would anyone ever use formless void as a major
unless you wanna steal something off-spec ?
warm plinth
That is the whole point :p I don't think it'd ever be worth it though. Not in a situation I've thought of anyway.
If it was rank 3 I could see using it to get iris or something but even then it'd probably be kinda meh
tame garden
It's for the memes
chilly brook
You're telling me you don't want to steal meme beam from your group in horrific visions for huge pulls?
analog zinc
this shit is fucked
chilly brook
Fair and Balanced*
exotic spoke
Wouldn’t be a problem if the casters didn’t hit so hard
hallow phoenix
How'd you get spell reflect to show
analog zinc
weakaura
hallow phoenix
Wago link?
hallow phoenix
Thanks I found it
SR also makes the DPS requirement on witch trio on WM way easier
tame garden
Nerf spell reflect
hallow phoenix
exotic spoke
Nerf Speg
warm plinth
How much is Shrine 1st boss?
exotic spoke
For what? Reflecting? I dunno
warm plinth
Yeah, reflecting
hallow phoenix
Speaking of reflect, you can reflect the thing from beyond
hallow phoenix
Kills it and you take no damage
hallow phoenix
Very easy to do as long as nothing else is casting at you. You have to reflect before it reaches you because the thing from beyond has a wonky range
exotic spoke
Didn’t they change that? Or am I thinking of the wrong thing
warm plinth
That's pretty funny.
hallow phoenix
I did it just last night
Easy test is to go let some shitty mobs melee you until one spawns
exotic spoke
Oh, yeah, I was thinking of something else
I uh.... I can’t do that really
I don’t have enough corruption
hallow phoenix
I've also seen weird interactions where cc will despawn it immediately but I can't reproduce the result
My belt gives 66 corruption lol
exotic spoke
I hate you.
I’ve only gotten void ritual
warm plinth
Only spells I know of (other than SR) that despawn it are aggro drop spells like Feign or Vanish
hallow phoenix
I've gotten it to disappear before 8 seconds are up with fear and stuns
But not reliably
warm plinth
If it's susceptible to all CC though, you could come up with something for most specs
Even if it doesn't insta-despawn, at least keep it out of commission the whole time it's up
But they gotta fix the proc rate because people are reporting having 3 up at once despite it being a 1ppm
hallow phoenix
About 1/3rd my health or so
warm plinth
Oof
hallow phoenix
Mind flay is worth it. I just wish I had infinite stars
muted coral
So I'm wanting to swap from fury to prot for M+ and raid this tier, is there a guide anywhere to what I need to know for M+ tanking?
warm plinth
What exactly are you wanting to know?
exotic spoke
Icy veins has a good guide. Its still relevant for the most part last I checked.
muted coral
If I'm 1800 io as fury, am I gonna cause wipes going into 10-12s on reset by not knowing tank specific mechanics? Or should I have enough understanding that I just need to learn my optimal CD usage?
exotic spoke
Have you tanked before in BFA?
muted coral
Very minimal
exotic spoke
sec, double checking icy veins rq
sinful vortex
Depends if you know what the mobs do or not really
exotic spoke
^^
In addition to that, mwahi updated the icy veins guide recently. For the most part not much has changed since uldir
sinful vortex
10s or 12s next reset are gonna be fairly hard so you will probably cause some wipes, though u have to learn somehow!
muted coral
I mean I know what they do, I guess I don't know in regards to prot though.
sinful vortex
Just like frontals and stuff
Like if ur aiming retch at your group you will probably kill them
exotic spoke
Defensively, try to not overlap shield block and last stand (with bolster), positioning wise - face away from group in almost every case, be liberal with your CD usage. Don’t keep your Shield Wall for what may happen.
warm plinth
If you're aiming pretty much any trash mob indoors in WCM at your group, they're gonna die 😄
sinful vortex
Yeah lol
muted coral
Hahaha ok, so just making sure the boss isn't facing people during mechanics I'd avoid as fury etc, and otherwise it's just learn through doing
exotic spoke
Like Derping said, you’ll probably cause some wipes. But that’s the learning process
muted coral
Alright, I'll read the IV guide as well. Thanks guys. Muchos appreciated 😄
exotic spoke
do you play NA alliance?
warm plinth
Yeah, the hardest thing for me switching to tank from DPS was not moving so much
exotic spoke
If so, And you’re free later tonight, I can run a key with you and talk about why I do some things i do
You may decide differently, but just some thoughts
muted coral
That's fair, no I'm horde rn. I do appreciate that though 😄
exotic spoke
Rip, my horde warrior came to alliance a little bit ago
muted coral
I'll probably try to do a few 10s tonight and see how they go, I have full 445 gear besides 1her so it's just getting in there and trying I suppose 😛
exotic spoke
I’m not saying I’m the best / always right - but I figure sometimes the thought process for why something is done is as important as what’s done *
muted coral
Definitely, I haven't actively tanked in a few expansions.
sinful vortex
Make sure u have a block/bolster tracker, aside from that just try to practice and pay attention to what to pull/what not to pull
exotic spoke
^^
That’s honestly the most important WA I can think of for us. After that a kick tracker
sinful vortex
Yeah block tracker made tanking way easier as prot
muted coral
Alright; have kick tracker as DPS so just need the block and bolster tracker. Thanks a ton.
exotic spoke
Yup.
errant oriole
Someone knows if you can still reflect first boss in Temple? (Pls tell me i just failed it^^)
hallow phoenix
yes
errant oriole
Thx
exotic spoke
Then when you get infront of him you need to plant and not move until it’s fully past you
devout ocean
Is the block tracker pinned somewhere on discord? (On mobile right now)
analog zinc
block tracker?
errant oriole
Y i know but want sure if the other boss got a cast through that ate my reflect
exotic spoke
The WA that racks Block and Last stand
That can happen seiver
I think you can search wago pretty easily to find it. It may be pinned, I can’t remember volkrin
devout ocean
K np thanks
undone sun
👀
exotic spoke
Hi Thyme
warm plinth
Don't @ me Thyme
devout ocean
Also fairly new to tanking seriously on the war. Now that we can block ranged attacks does that mean we need to be facing the range attack or can we still block it from behind?
hallow phoenix
facing
warm plinth
You can't block anything from behind
hallow phoenix
always face what youre tryna block
devout ocean
Cool it’s what I figured just wanted to make sure
warm plinth
It needs to be in the 180 degree half circle in front of you
hallow phoenix
Even if you are out of blocks, you want to face stuff due to your innate % chance to block
warm plinth
So if you're strafing directly to the side, you can still block/dodge/parry
undone sun
@warm plinth
hallow phoenix
pretty sure parry only works if youre facing them too
tame garden
warm plinth
Thanks Thyme
warm plinth
Hi Riki
exotic spoke
How goes it
warm plinth
Where's your vessel sheet sir
exotic spoke
This one?
warm plinth
Yes, ty
exotic spoke
You’re welcome. You can pretty easily get some extras here and there depending on how much other stuff you do
sterile mantle
why does expedient lose out to racing pulse
haughty forum
What corruption should I be aiming to stay under while pugging M+?
hallow phoenix
I wouldnt go above 40
exotic spoke
Where are you seeing this Cito?
haughty forum
Okay, thanks. Wasn't sure how much damage that thing did at 40.
exotic spoke
I’m going to say, it’s like that you’ll get more haste over the whole time from expedient rather than the proc @sterile mantle
Also, I see it’s on wowhead. Right now I think EV / IS are just better pretty much
And ineffable truth
hallow phoenix
Spell reflect also stops the eye of corruption from giving you stacks / damaging you for its duration
for the duration of reflect*
waxen cradle
With the nerf to Infinite Stars what are looking to be the go to corruptions bonuses or is it still too early to tell
undone sun
i know for most others who used IS the nerf wasn't that big to really make a difference
waxen cradle
cool was unsure how much it affected us or it had been over taken
waxen cradle
nice yeah it seemed as such just given how it works
Did they ever announce the new residuum costs for season 4 or did I miss it ?
waxen cradle
Ah ok
exotic spoke
Do an 18 next week and a 17 the week after and you can get a mythic piece on the 4th
waxen cradle
Given the value and overall pretty much guaranteed value of the Malevolence helm it would be a hard sell to not pursue it with reckless abandon
for me anyway
warm plinth
Article here if you want to peruse: https://www.wowhead.com/guides/titan-residuum-obtain-buy-azerite-armor
exotic spoke
You could say the same about ashvanes chest. I’ll just roll shoulders first and decide later
waxen cradle
Yeah this is true
left hatch
im probably gonna random roll 1 of each
then specific roll shoulders>chest
BoM 3 stack will be easy enough to get from raid
exotic spoke
Go for that MS life
left hatch
and theres a DC BoM helm from it thats only a bit worse than the M+ one
waxen cradle
its funny random rolling for me in the past has been playing playing russian roulette with a fully loaded chamber.... if you lose you still win.... jk but yeah you get the idea
left hatch
^ gambling on azerite never paid off
im just gonna speed buy 1 of each for ilvl
then stop the gambling
sick sentinel
seeing that i still dont have helm of malevolence after rolling so much
i'm going to specific buy for sure 100%
exotic spoke
What’s the range of EVs effect?
sick sentinel
Anyone has sim Iron fortress vs Brace for m+ content?
block value of IF is higher, i wonder about the dmg output
mortal brook
is this banking chart assuming only 3 a week?
left hatch
yes
mortal brook
cool beans
left hatch
but also considers the 7.5 banking cap
mortal brook
yeah
exotic spoke
So if you’re doing more than that a week you’re free to spend them
Or take time off
Or burn them.
Idk I’m not your supervisor
People have been telling me my advice in the visions is wrong for the last two-three weeks (not here)
But I’m not salty
Ok maybe just a little
warm plinth
I think you're a little salty
left hatch
thats ok, a casual guildie whos never seen above a 10 or normal raid tried telling me how dumb i was for saying Warden Major wasn't worth it
and then wnet on a rant how Crucible Major should never be taken on tanks, especially monks
was a fun day
sick sentinel
a prot warrior using warden?
what in the fuck
You thunder clap
that's your infinity clap
taunt
left hatch
yup, did it by just super toxically spamming Warden in chat too (:
mortal brook
in fairness, they did change lots about what we knew about visions the night before patch launched after weeks on the ptr lol
unique 5 and cap on coalescing sucks
mortal brook
I'm a little bitter they called a 'cant get ahead ceiling' a catchup mechanic, when theres actually nothing in place to speed up alts
left hatch
timegating=/= catchup (:
exotic spoke
@mortal brook people were saying I was wrong for suggesting anything other than just killing thrall
left hatch
how dare you min/max for earlier sockets
exotic spoke
I believe the words I used were “I believe people should cautiously explore the other zones”
left hatch
you should be ashamed of yourself having fun
mortal brook
I'm minmaxing for earlier Elite Extermination which will let me full clear sooner >.>
and MAYBE. just MAYBE. get useful gear from visions
exotic spoke
Going for full clear tonight
So far, 4 successful runs. So we’re (a group of 5) all at one talent point after elite extermination and level 5 cloaks
mortal brook
hot
left hatch
lot less value imo, cause when you pop an orb will depend on lowest sanity person
not highest
mortal brook
unless you snackrifice them
mortal brook
'we'll come back for ya'
exotic spoke
Not afaik
left hatch
did that for our healer last run, noone stunned the adds that lock you down
exotic spoke
People have confirmed it works in groups
left hatch
so they got sucked dry
wait really? they changed the KB part of it!?
thats... actually huge
warm plinth
Yeah that's actually bullshit tbh :/ Makes groups so much more effective at clearing.
warm plinth
I mean, they already had a bit of an advantage obviously but this kinda puts the nail in the coffin
I mean groups were always more efficient, that's a no brainer really.
exotic spoke
❤️ you ghash
oblique garnet
Why would anyone say soloing is more efficient ? 🤔
warm plinth
¯_(ツ)_/¯
mortal brook
depends on the group. if its a ret that backpedals into an extra group when you need to be out of combat dropping an orb, its less than efficient
.>
sick sentinel
If I did a 20 this week do I need to do any others? Rumor has it that I have to time a key of any level in order to get the right keystone. Fix my knowledge
warm plinth
Timing a key has never been required to get a key of a certain level, just completion.
sick sentinel
That’s what I thought
warm plinth
If you did a 20, you will get a 16 in your cache
sick sentinel
But people are saying there have been bugs where it degrades extr if that was your only key that week
Is that fake news
warm plinth
I've never heard of that
sharp night
if you didn't do a key before this week you will get a lower key
sharp night
the way keys have always worked is if you didn't do a key the previous week and do exactly one this week, the next week you get 1 lower than the key you hold instead of the key you did
so if you did a 20 you'll get a 18 instead of a 19
and then the extra -3 next week will drop it to 15 instead of 16
warm plinth
I wanna say I read that pre-tier raids are like 100 per boss or some shit, but that's trusting my nonexistent memory
near ivy
lets say CoS gives 900
thats 4 islands 🤷♂️
forming the group takes longer than 4 islands, nevermind actually killing bosses
although im pretty sure it gives 300
warm plinth
Listen you don't know me Star, I might have a raid group in my back pocket
distant crystal
yeah i think it's prob same as bod
warm plinth
Hey Waat
distant crystal
bonjour
warm plinth
Can you tell me how much is Vision proccing this patch?
distant crystal
iunno
near ivy
and i still cba
distant crystal
12% more than last patch
warm plinth
That's the answer that I was looking for, ty
distant crystal
😎 👉 👉
sick sentinel
So if the 21 I did was mine I’m good ye? @sharp night
sharp night
yes
sick sentinel
Bitchin
exotic spoke
I wonder if these give TR:
mortal brook
should. 20 TR
exotic spoke
fuck just 20 😦
sick sentinel
Triple Bastion of Might warriors gaining 2000+ mastery during avatar benefit greatly from 9% extra mastery
Wouldn't it not benefit greatly considering our value of mastery degenerates insanely when you have 3 bom
analog zinc
its not worth the dmg imo
sure you can easily get 100% crit block chance with that corruption
but that's some echoing void you're missing
sick sentinel
They were talking about it from a defensive standpoint
and I don't see how stacking mastery with bom helps when you lose a lot of value from mastery
You gain an additional 197.1 mastery from having 3 mythic boms
wow 197
so much
Sometimes I think wowhead with their tank information is stupid
warm plinth
Gain 197 mastery from having 3 mythic boms compared to what?
warm plinth
Ah
sick sentinel
you gain 197 mastery vs echo void that does like 20% of your damage
what do you think wins
analog zinc
vs leech 🙂
warm plinth
I wasn't arguing with you; I was just asking because I just got here
warm plinth
Oh, yeah
exotic spoke
You're losing out on other better options
analog zinc
watch as your group dies around you
exotic spoke
Thats honestly not a good idea
analog zinc
& laugh
exotic spoke
Defensively, I'd take the haste one, the CDR one, the extra crit one, etc
I wouldn't take the leech one
thats pure meme - and not even good meme
exotic spoke
No
There are much better things than leech
Because that doesn't prevent you from not having AM up. From getting destroyed by spells, from so many other things
lusty grotto
???
lusty grotto
my guild is self destructing in classic :\
analog zinc
F
exotic spoke
F
lusty grotto
people too used to casual-retail
exotic spoke
Because they had too much Leech obv
lusty grotto
need me some good ole healers and fury warriors
exotic spoke
But honestly, people come here looking for advice. And if they see someone putting forth Leech as a viable build they may listen to it.
They will not be playing as effectively as they could
analog zinc
fair warning
lusty grotto
SMH why are we stil
analog zinc
dont listen to my leech meme lol
lusty grotto
tlaking about leech
sick sentinel
Someone say leech?
analog zinc
i did @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
I have arrived
sick sentinel
They call me leechmaster
I just sit and mind my own business all day and then these guys say the word that summons me
warm plinth
Nim, listen buddy
There is one meme
That will never die
@lusty grotto are you listening?
lusty grotto
yes i am
sick sentinel
Gotem
analog zinc
avoidance
warm plinth
sick sentinel
LOL
exotic spoke
GOTTEM
sick sentinel
I never get tired of that meme
undone sun
👀
lusty grotto
hey man i linked mac and me to our guild
analog zinc
lol
warm plinth
Me neither. Did you see the video I made for him Hawgz?
lusty grotto
how many views did you get
analog zinc
gonna send that to my friend
sick sentinel
No give me that
warm plinth
Like 40 I think
lusty grotto
nice
warm plinth
lusty grotto
yup yup
warm plinth
I'm guessing they were actually looking for that video
lusty grotto
lmao
warm plinth
And were mad that it wasn't the right one lmao
lusty grotto
i hope that was the case
warm plinth
Thank you, thank you
novel agate
is it worth going back to get urchin still?
or is there a trinket from ny'lotha that will be better defensively and i shouldnt waste my time?
onyx vessel
left hatch
unless you get a crazy 455 WF urchin will likely be replaced
theres a reason you don't see any prisms anymore, even TF'd
in raid the N'zoth trinket is gonna be crazy strong
and out of raid Rezan, Wrathion, and Butchers Block are solid choices and can be gotten up to 475
(realistically 470 for rezan and butchers)
sick sentinel
loot the chest and find out
sterile mantle
lol, smartass 😛
warm plinth
AP is 3800 + I think 200? per level. So you should get like 10,800 from a +15 if they're doubling it
I thought the doubling was only last week though
warm plinth
We got double AP this past Tuesday wdym. We got double AP because we didn't get TR. We're getting TR from this coming chest.
sick sentinel
We're getting double apboth then
because we ain't getting anything this reset
and we're not getting TR this chest
warm plinth
exotic spoke
I dont think we're getting double TR this week ghash. I think its next week
warm plinth
Not double TR, regular TR
sick sentinel
we aren't getting tr this reset
warm plinth
exotic spoke
Shit
sick sentinel
I still don't think we get TR. We are definitely getting double ap again
warm plinth
I mean, I'm cool with it either way. But this sure looks like we get TR
I ain't gonna be mad at like 12k AP though lol
warm plinth
17k? What level key did you do lol
sick sentinel
a regular key?
warm plinth
I mean, a 20 should be like 14.8k
With double AP
So idk what a regular key is to you
nova gale
So, gearing in m+ is pretty much dead. Thoughts?
ionic fern
Wat
nova gale
Really?
ionic fern
Why would gearing from m+ be dead?
nova gale
I was just thinking since it wont go over hc raid ilvl
paper flower
sick sentinel
mythic+ is 465 ye
nova gale
(Just came back and have no idea about anything, just read about this stuff)
sick sentinel
475 for weekly
oblique garnet
@warm plinth You wont be getting TR from this cache
exotic spoke
I'm confused...
warm plinth
I love how everyone is so sure, when Blizz's communication has been actual garbage this season
oblique garnet
This week cache is still s3 loot
exotic spoke
First its no... then its yes... then its no. Theres a blue post saying yes
nova gale
465 from end of dungeon?
oblique garnet
So no residuum
warm plinth
I mean, I'm not guaranteeing you will get TR, but I am not going to be surprised one way or the other. It definitely doesn't say anywhere that we're getting double AP this week either and yet people are insisting we are.
sick sentinel
It has always been mythic release
exotic spoke
I'll just open my chest and see
warm plinth
Yeah like idk why it has to be an argument tbh. I posted Blizzard's own words. If they're incorrect or worded weirdly, then fine.
Idgaf either way
oblique garnet
If you got TR from this weeks cache you would have seen mythic raiders pushing for giga high keys to get a gamble for mythic week
warm plinth
You don't even have to do stupid high keys to get enough to gamble on mythic week
oblique garnet
you need 2x18s
warm plinth
Yeah
sick sentinel
and 18s are very high for this reset
oblique garnet
^
sick sentinel
like
warm plinth
¯_(ツ)_/¯
oblique garnet
Basically 18 is like 22-23
nova gale
So, how big is corruption pieces vs ilvl for us?
sick sentinel
18s are like 23/24s ye
warm plinth
I don't actually care guys. If you're right, you're right. If I am, I am.
sick sentinel
especially with kvalue adjustment and scaling
warm plinth
Literally don't care at all
warm plinth
I was just posting what the news post said, that's it
nova gale
Is there a guide to corruption pieces somewhere?
sick sentinel
wowhead
ionic fern
More info soon on the Corruption section.
nova gale
So, spamming m+ will still be viable due to the fact we can fish for decent corruption pieces that will outshine regular 475 pieces? Did I understand this correctly?
warm plinth
That, and you get guaranteed Mythic level gear in your weekly cache with guaranteed corruption (unless it's a trinket)
nova gale
But it's still rngesus as fuck amirite
ionic fern
Yes.
nova gale
they didnt the introduce the thingie where you can pick between a few pieces
nova gale
aight
ionic fern
Instead of praying for Titanforge now you're praying for a decent corruption.
nova gale
Aight
I'll just unsub right away and save me the trouble. I really dont want to start raiding and knowing myself I wont be able to keep away since I hate the feeling of being at a disadvantage
That sounded more whiny than I intended
ionic fern
😂
sick sentinel
well you can't really wear more than 2 pieces without getting nuked
that are tier 3 stuff
So basically every single piece being able to tf
you pray for 1/2
that you want
I can see it being a better system
sick sentinel
doesn't matter if you get 18 bolts and 12 bracers
..
as long as you get the corruption you want
on those 18 belts and 12 bracers
exotic spoke
I mean it does matter if you’re getting a ton of those at the expense of other slots - which is what he was implying
sick sentinel
maybe if you didn't have what you needed already
it doesn't matter really
unless you already have what you want
exotic spoke
It’s what he was saying though. And if I open mythic level caches and all I get ar belt and bracers when I need other slots I’m definitely going to be a sad Riki. Especially if it happens a bunch
Because it happened in S2. I opened up chests and got trinkets for 8-9 weeks straight when I had a bunch of things I needed
sick sentinel
As long as I get the two pieces I want I don't care lol
nova gale
cloaks 5 weeks in a row 😛
exotic spoke
Yeah I had every trinket I could want. But I couldn’t get a shield, I couldn’t get rings, gloves, etc
sick sentinel
I don't know I didn't have that issue
First week of mythic I got 450 shield from radiance
exotic spoke
Good for you
nova gale
All im saying, for doing high m+ at a competitive level it is more advantage if you are raiding than it was before
exotic spoke
Yes, for tanking more so than other roles - in my opinion bromigo.
I came to the same conclusion
So when my last guild folded, that I had been a part of for so long, I had to find a new home
nova gale
Which I believe is a move in the wrong direction seeing as how the m+ scene has evolved
exotic spoke
That was also mythic raiding and was a good fit
sick sentinel
Then raid then
exotic spoke
It’s a byproduct of the change in design.
sick sentinel
It's an RPG. You're meant to grind things
nova gale
I don't want to raid. I want to do high m+ nothing else
exotic spoke
That’s not the point Nike
What Bromigo said.
M+ was originally put forth as a way for small groups to do end game / top tier content
sick sentinel
This is how I see it. WoW is one of the easiest games to farm stuff and grind the things you need; as a genre in itself the game making you do certain content for the better resources and items is a given.
nova gale
I'm fine with doing other bullshit like WQs and crap to stay relevant in m+. Now I "have" to join a mythic raiding guild again and I dont really feel like it.