protection

[craggy harness]

most minor of increase even if it did work i'd guess

of course i might be misunderstanding the corruption effect as something one can dodge

(resumes using head to block)

[left hatch]

you can dispel it with your cape, or have it like Freedom used on you

but i dont think it counts as a CC that grants you a stack of CnS

and regardless in good play CnS stacks and stays stacked pretty early on

to the point that intentionally seeking out ways to get CCd to stack earlier is unwise

[distant crystal]

p sure blizz is cheaping out on instance servers this week

every fuckin dungeon/raid is laggy as shit

[warm plinth]

ngl totally thought he meant the C&S major

[sterile mantle]

Echoing Void can hit decently hard lol

[sick sentinel]

for one

recount ew

two, I have no idea what this stuff means

because ew recount

[grim berry]

that's ok i guess

[exotic spoke]

I hate all of you

but

good news everybody

One more thing to do - Kill a bounty every day

[hallow phoenix]

Got a 455 razorcoral just in time

wew

[sick sentinel]

just in time to get it replaced xd

[formal rune]

How often is VoP procing now

[distant crystal]

12% more than before

[formal rune]

So what’s the uptime on avatar looking like atm ?? Is it over 50%

[warm plinth]

Should have already been over 50%

[formal rune]

I’ve been off wow for a few months now. I thought was around 40% lol.

[ionic fern]

it depends on the pulls as well as how efficiently you used you rage(gain/usage for AM) etc.

[ripe mason]

What essences sim the highest for ST damage?

[sick sentinel]

CoF Major, CNS OR VoP (Depending on how many Bastion of Mights you have). Null barrier.

[ripe mason]

Got triple Bastion.

[sick sentinel]

CoF Major, VoP, null then

[ripe mason]

Huh, didn't think CoF would be the highest.

You're talking about Concentrated Flame, right?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

It is by far the best ST essence ST damage wise.

[ripe mason]

Alright.

[onyx vessel]

Easy 10-15% dmg done total during a fight

Wanna parse you need cof

[chilly brook]

So I got some 440 corrupted legs with a 50% cd reduction for 10 seconds proc

I should probably sim those

[ionic fern]

I am not 100% sure it's implemented in SIMC yet but you can try.

[sick sentinel]

wait, what

how does that work?

CD reduction for 10 seconds?

What does that mean

[distant crystal]

things you use in that 10 seconds have half cd? 🤷‍♀️

[sick sentinel]

So if use you avatar, avatar will have half the cd

within that window

or is it actual spells

like half GCDs

[ionic fern]

I thought he's talking about Flash of Clarity? 🤔

"Your spells and abilities have a chance to grant you FoC, reducing the cooldown of your next 3 spells cast by x seconds"

[sharp night]

no

there's another one

that grants double CDR for 10 sec

on all your cds

[distant crystal]

weird it's not on wowhead

or is it from one of the weapons?

[sharp night]

er 50%

it is on wowhead

Tier 1 Ineffable Truth: Your Spells and Abilities have a chance to show you the Ineffable Truth, increasing the rate your cooldowns recover by 50% for 10 sec.
+50 Corruption

[ionic fern]

Ooh, that one.

[fringe marten]

that's a weapon proc isn't it?

[sharp night]

it's an anything proc

[fringe marten]

is that even going to be on weapons we can use?

[sharp night]

it can proc on any piece of gear

[ionic fern]

"So I got some 440 corrupted legs with a 50% cd reduction for 10 seconds proc"

[sharp night]

but the wand from raid guarantees it

for casters

[distant crystal]

But it's guaranteed on one of the weaps

At t3

[fringe marten]

ok I see.

[sharp night]

there's only 1 tier for that proc

[distant crystal]

That's odd

[sharp night]

it used to have 2 tiers but they removed the lower tier

there was a tier 1 that did 30% and tier 2 that did 50%

[ionic fern]

Now it's just t1 with 50 corruption.

[fringe marten]

'increasing the rate your cooldowns recover by 50% for 10 seconds' all that sounds like to me, is that for 10 seconds anything you have on CD will cool down faster.

IE time will essentially tick faster for the recovery.. And it's not "reduced by 50%" it's "50% faster.." which means it's additive.

It's still a super powerful proc.

[sick sentinel]

so it's 1.5x faster

[sharp night]

correct

[sick sentinel]

so instead of 1 second

it's 0.75

[sharp night]

no

for every second that passes while it's up

you get 1.5s off the cd

of whatever ability

[sick sentinel]

which is 0.75 of that second

[sharp night]

no, it's .66 sec

.75 would be 33%

every .66 sec -> 1 sec off cd

or i'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say

in any case, during the 10 sec duration you get about 5s off all your cds

HOWEVER

if it works with AM

then it's crazy

because every 10 rage you spend you get 1.5s off cd during it instead of 1s

which means every SB is 4.5s cdr and every IP is 6s cdr

[fringe marten]

The problem is, it's not controllable...and it would definitely benefit someone who's GCD locked like a prot warrior much more than someone who has to obey a rotation that's built around cooldown bursts.

[sharp night]

yeah

if it works with AM it's actually quite a good corruption defensively

i have a feeling it probably doesn't

[fringe marten]

yeah when I saw it, I knew it would be amazing if we could use it.

Saw it reading the patch notes, it's one of the "examples" of corrupted affixes they show you.

[sharp night]

i mean we can still get it, just not sure if it applies to AM, without the AM interaction it's still decent but not amazing

just 5s off your cds every minute or so

[fringe marten]

It shouldn't interact with AM, but it might unintentionally. AM is it's own reduction...that corruption affix is a seperate ability.

[sharp night]

just depends how it's implemented

if it's just a multiplier on your cdrs

then it should work with AM

[fringe marten]

I promise you; if it takes off an additional 50% of the time AM already takes off, ON TOP of it's own natural cool down reduction..that will get patched quickly.

[sharp night]

i mean,

infinite stars

[sick sentinel]

if that was the case, wouldn't it work with fury warriors also

[sharp night]

yes

[sick sentinel]

since fury takes am also in dungeons

if ran with irus

[sharp night]

and they are gcd locked as well

but i think they want to line up their reck with bote anyway

[sick sentinel]

like I said

you can also take irus

irus offers more raw damage than BoTE

and is ran with with AM

common build

[fringe marten]

...Cmon people...you know how this works. If it unintentionally benefits warriors more than other classes, in a way it wasn't intended to...IE "MAN this skill is AWESOME" it's getting FunDetected; and you know it.

[sharp night]

well it would work for other specs too

bm hunters have cdr on almost all their abilities

as do outlaw rogues

[fringe marten]

IF they had an ability that caused additional cooldown based on resource expendeture; yes.

[sick sentinel]

how do you make detail show overheal in it's overall healing

[sharp night]

yes

they do

outlaw has restless blades

[ionic fern]

@chilly brook test and logs plz.

[sharp night]

more cp spent -> more cdr

[fringe marten]

So if that was built in to that skill, and has a substantial potency boost for a few classes; you think it stays that way?

[sharp night]

🤷 that's how essences work

fury gets 5 stacks of bote minor

[fringe marten]

Yeah; and they retuned them a bit...just like they do a retune patch after every major patch and every raid launched after it.

[sharp night]

for every gcd

assassination does as well

[ionic fern]

There's going to be a re-tuning of corruption effects regardless.

🤷

[sharp night]

yeah

[fringe marten]

I'm not saying it won't be a powerful corruption affix, it definitely will be...but I think there's going to be some retuning around them, or reworking of precisely how some of the corruption affixes work.

..LOL he was typing it anyway

[sharp night]

i mean

we all expect stuff like IS/EV/tentacles to get nerfed

[ionic fern]

🤷

[sharp night]

because they're so far ahead of everything else atm

[fringe marten]

Yeah when I read the description on stars on the leggings someone posted, it seemed pretty OP

[sharp night]

the funny thing is

it's doing even MORE than tooltip

logs are showing it proccing like 5 rppm instead of the 2 it was datamined

it's super bugged

[fringe marten]

oh then no wonder it's going ham..it's not about the damage number it's about the frequency.

[sharp night]

well the damage numbers are also really dumb

since it scales with mainstat

friend got an IS piece on his lock on PTR

and one crit with no debuff stacks yet did 500k because he had prepot/int buff from some azerite traits

basically doubled his spellpower

[fringe marten]

oh btw total sidenote: "We're removing titanforging but adding a way better system instead.." LELELEL

[sharp night]

well

it's certainly more "fun" if they keep the corruption affixes as broken as they are

but blizz hates fun so

[left hatch]

even busted i like this more than TF

its more interesting by a long shot

[sharp night]

yeah because it actually changes things

instead of

[left hatch]

adn makes loot from higher content actually retain value

[sharp night]

oh you got more stats

i don't like mythic endbosses giving extra ilvl and no other way to get it but i guess they gotta keep the mythic raiders happy

[fringe marten]

What kinda' makes me scratch my head is how many 'kinda' good systems they've had in the game over the length of time it's been out. Then instead of looking at what happened with their implementation of it, and changing according to player behavior or request...they throw new spaghetti at the wall.

The Legion legendary system was a great idea, really cool situation specific or build specific gear.. Put it ALL on a vendor, let us build a currency to buy what we want..in the order we want.

Allowing players to use the Equipment manager THEY ADDED to the game, to swap gear on the fly for very streamlined gameplay. IE using 'speed movement' gear, 'aoe' gear and single target gear swapping in M+ during legion... "oh..players are being more skillful with their gameplay and getting benefit from it...smash it"

[sharp night]

my problem with the extra ilvl is simply

if you don't play certain specs

you just automatically get 10 ilvls lower on your weaps and azerite

glhf

great design

[left hatch]

every armor type has 2 az pieces offa carapace and nzoth

and every weapon has a type

[sharp night]

not every weapon

and yes every armor type has 2 pieces but

some have REALLY bad traits

and cannot be used

[left hatch]

yeh but thats more a problem with the azerite trait system

[fringe marten]

And honestly the relic weapon from legion...was there a reason to get rid of the AP skill tree it provided? could we have not worked that into the design instead of the azerite 'wheel-o-2buffs'

[left hatch]

and how it was supposed to replace legendaries, relics AND tier pieces

and didn't adaquately replace any of them

im pretty sure every spec has a weapon offa it? not necesarily a pre-corrupted wep

but a wep

[fringe marten]

Tier pieces...been in the game since the start..people love it, it rewards and incentivizes raiding. "Smash it"

[sharp night]

so for example there is a str mace, agi dagger, int sword, 2h sword, and gun from the last 2 bosses

no agi 1h or 2h

so all rogues/druid/monks/dh

get 10 ilvls lower on their weaps automatically

well, except assassination i guess

[left hatch]

theres a 1-h agi sword

[sharp night]

and priests can't use swords either so they're out as well

[fringe marten]

Oh yeah; I'm a fan of having the last boss or two..or just last boss drop better gear; but yeah it has to provide for everyone; meaning probably no weapons. Just trinkets..

[sharp night]

which one?

[left hatch]

or at least it drops for monks so im assuming it can roll agi

Shgla'yos, Astral Malignity

[fringe marten]

OH WAIT...Super cool trinkets from a final raid boss, that's tougher..and gives better rewards?

Have we ever done that?

..WoD..

[sharp night]

that's an int sword

not agi

[left hatch]

rip, its on monks loot table

[sharp night]

it's on mw monks

not ww

[left hatch]

i mean still probably best weapon for 1-h just because free infinite stars

[sharp night]

lol

[left hatch]

as of right now at least

[sharp night]

but basically half the specs in the game are just screwed

automatic -10 ilvls

[exotic spoke]

I mean half is an overstatement.

[left hatch]

yah i thought it had better representation

[exotic spoke]

Just dont play those specs and no problem 😄

[sharp night]

half the classes

have no weaps

[left hatch]

they needed to just make it drop a token that boosted ANY raid piece by 10 ilvls

and then solved

[fringe marten]

Again; they've had so many logical good design choices for so many aspects of the game over so many years; I get why you might not want to keep moving each system forward; but literally reinventing the wheel every expansion is eventually going to cause a collapse.

[exotic spoke]

some of the specs on less than half the classes*

[left hatch]

they arn't reinventing?

[strong forum]

Uhm at that point, if you already killed nzoth, what's the point of the ilvl complaint

[exotic spoke]

Either way, nothing really to do about it

[left hatch]

pushing M+

[strong forum]

How are you fucked in anyway

[sharp night]

i didn't even name all the specs riki

all specs shaman, all specs druid, all specs priest

2/3 specs monk, both specs dh, outlaw rogue

[strong forum]

Nobody is fucked if a ret has a 485 weapon but rogue only 475

[exotic spoke]

Whatever, like I said, nothign really to do about it

[strong forum]

That changes nothing

But parses

And even then its only for their respective classes

[exotic spoke]

I was being pedantic - the point is that you can't do much so c'est la vie. And for the most part its a moot issue honestly.

[strong forum]

^

[left hatch]

I disagree with it changing nothing but parses

It'll 100% have an impact on M+

[sharp night]

so you think it makes no difference

if a prot warr has a 485 weap/shield

but monk/dh have 475 weaps

[strong forum]

Yes

[sharp night]

????

[fringe marten]

Nomeratur; a huge part of mmo's is perception. Do we need to have the discussion about how 'looking cool' matters, etc. People are petty creatures..we are. period. Someone gets a cool toy, and another person in the group knows they can never get a toy quite as cool because of the 'potency' number...it matters, psychologically. IE impacts your enjoyment of the game.

[strong forum]

Yes

I agree with that

[exotic spoke]

I think it makes very little difference for several reaons

one

[fringe marten]

In the long run? The expansion is over...we're going to crush the content that exists now..and be ..obliterated by the 'veil of death' when Shadowlands comes out, and none of this will matter.

[exotic spoke]

The amount of guilds that are going to kill nzoth on mythic is going to be low, relative to the amount of guilds around.

[left hatch]

that nihilism extends to all aspects of the game

why play when everything gets wiped with that mindset

you play for the current progression and content

[strong forum]

Even right now it won't matter either, cuz having 475 vs 485 isn't gonna make or break anything

[fringe marten]

And yes..a good X player, vs another good Y player...and one has a 10 ilevel better weapon... it's not a super huge difference if they classes aren't the same.

[left hatch]

regardless of it being obsolete

[strong forum]

Being that max 2 items will be 485

[sharp night]

4 items

2 azerite + weap/offhand

[exotic spoke]

It honestly doesn't matter to the majority of people.

[strong forum]

Assuming it's good

[exotic spoke]

Not everyone uses 4 items that could have dropped. Some only use 3,

Further, it doesn't effect me.

And it doesn't effect you

[fringe marten]

Morrison; I didn't make the statement to say "oh we should quit the game because it all doesn't matter' I made the statement to answer Nomeraturs "why does it even matter" Because it kinda' does...and yes, it's ultimately a small shift in a huge damage bar..so it doesn't have a big mechanical footprint in the game.

[exotic spoke]

While, yes, I would love to see every spec have a weapon / azerite piece there - it didn't happen

Since it didn't happen you just suck it up and drive on.

[sharp night]

well

if you don't say anything about it

then blizz just thinks it's fine

[left hatch]

its worth noting it as something bad though

[exotic spoke]

This isn't the place to say things about it imo.

[sharp night]

i'm trying to understand the design philosophy behind it

[exotic spoke]

You aren't going to understand that by asking here usually.

regarding this specific topic*

[fringe marten]

My only point being that, there is some merit to the argument that if the last boss drops the premier loot; and if some of those items are weapons...which feel like the premier item for your class if you're a DPS class; but not everyone gets one...it sucks a little for people who got left out.

[strong forum]

The philosophy is:" Let's make the last 2 bosses rewarding and give the players a sense of prestige for getting them"

[left hatch]

and that works

[strong forum]

That's it

[left hatch]

but imperfectly

[exotic spoke]

Should it have been better - yes\

But it isn't

[strong forum]

That's literally all there is to it

[left hatch]

I still think its worth noting, you can't change it but you shouldn't just brush it under the rug and pretend everything is 10/10

[exotic spoke]

I agree Morrison

But give the feedback where it can be heard by people who can change it

[left hatch]

nothing to see here - move along mentality is how shit starts to degrade really quick

[exotic spoke]

Hi Mwahi

[left hatch]

but you also shouldn't just mindlessly bitch and moan about it

or go the "BLIZZ IS DUMB WHY THEY NO LEARN" route

[fringe marten]

Honestly one of the biggest design decisions behind making the last bosses drop better gear is likely to incentivize LFR and weaker players in weaker guilds to TRY and hurdle the last bosses, instead of quitting because it's 'tough'. The other is simply..they biggah..they give more bettah.

[left hatch]

I doubt it

They explicitly said they wanted some prestige to the loot

[ionic fern]

Hi Riki.

[left hatch]

because they liked the days back when having a Sulfuras or something meant something

and was a point of pride

[ionic fern]

I'm just reading this and scratching my head about why the hell are you making such a big deal out of this. WoW isn't a perfect game and half their design decisions are horrible - they get enough feedback but they just refuse to listen to a lot of it.

[left hatch]

LFR is kinda an afterthought tossed in for casuals

[fringe marten]

You'd be surprised. They talk about how small a percentage of the player base ends up fully completing raids, how few do heroic, and how VERY few do mythic..etc. A lot of their design choices stem from trying to get people to get through, or try content they otherwise wouldn't. (spreading essences across all types of gameplay, including pvp..etc)

[ionic fern]

You could go in-depth about majority of the things in game affecting a lot more than a 10 ilvl wpn difference.

[fringe marten]

Yet LFR and normal is where the extreme majority of the player base will ever experience raiding at all. They've touched that point more than a few times.

[exotic spoke]

I wish I could "this Tbh" emote

So consider those posts reacted to with "This TBH"

[ionic fern]

It's fine to discuss these things tho, my point wasn't to shut this discussion down. :D
Just was my 2 cents-

[left hatch]

meh was a fun convo to jump into

and i agree with vince to a point

about it being unfair

[exotic spoke]

By the time you're pushing very high keys, 10 ilvls on any single piece, weapon included, won't make the difference. Its skill, itsroute, its mechanics, its pushing the limit with pull size

[left hatch]

but i also doubt that the people actually able to obtain the gear

are gonna be those reeeee'ing on the forums about it

[oblique garnet]

you also have to have the item to drop into a class that can actually push high m+

[exotic spoke]

It sucks, no one is saying that it doesn't.

I'm saying that it doesn't matter to the vast majority of the player base - even those represented by their responses here and that criticism can be better directed.

That too Late

[fringe marten]

I don't want to point a finger and say anyone is bringing up wrong points, we're discussing what we think designers 'thought' about things; or what 'might' happen when they retune abilities. Suffice to say the reality of a lot of design choices involves trying to cater to the majority of their player base..which are not power gamers concerned with which new corrupted affix is too OP 😛

[strong forum]

I've gotta say I like it

[fringe marten]

I honestly don't know why we aren't talking about the only thing that really mattered... that 70% reduction in damage boost on Tclap from our talent~

[exotic spoke]

Now if it was a shield......

[left hatch]

eh with that mindset why discuss anything here though? 'something gets nerfed?' - go to the forums

[strong forum]

Gives you incentive to actually go for it

[left hatch]

not happy with the state of spec - go to the forums

its not criticism to be heard, its just a discussion

[exotic spoke]

Disagree Morrison

Its not something that directly affects warriors

specifically, and I know i get off topic, prot warriors

[strong forum]

Cuz dadugan, it was fair

[left hatch]

this channel gets off topic a ton tho 😛 so not a 100% fair comparison

[exotic spoke]

I know

😄

[fringe marten]

It's supposed to be a discussion about protection warriors right? How things work, how to do stuff...what's good, what isn't? Discussion won't stay exactly on topic for ANY discussion forum..but if we can keep it constructive at least I think it's ok.

[exotic spoke]

Either way, I just spent an hour in the daily visions of Nzoth...

[fringe marten]

(Nomeratur I don't care...I want to out DPS the DPS whenever the pulls get large enough~)

[exotic spoke]

I want it to be Monday already....

[left hatch]

i caved and did most of mine already

i wanted to have fun

[oblique garnet]

out dpsing the dps wont happen anymore as long as the dps are competent at this point

[exotic spoke]

I havent done any of the horrific visions, other than the first one, yet.

Im not going in until I get 4 talents minimum

Maybe 5

[fringe marten]

C'mon man you know in some raid pulls on larger trash packs you'd hear someone in discord say "...that Thunderclap damage WTF EVEN IS THAT?" ...yeah baby; warrior.

[left hatch]

who pays attention to damage meters in raid trash o.o

[fringe marten]

all i'm worried about is that warrior has spent quite a while actually being a very good tank; we're always servicable but in the very long time I've been playing a prot warrior any time we're really good; FunDetected.

[left hatch]

disagree with that too, tank balance has been really solid across BFA

[exotic spoke]

anyway, its 3 am. I should go to bed so I Can repeat this tomorrow and grind more momentos before I even zone into the visions

So night prot chat

[left hatch]

but talking about 'could be' nerfs is also where i draw the line of pointless speculation

so im out too, gnight

[fringe marten]

I'm not saying tank balance is bad..I'm saying warriors are really good. We often spend huge chunks of expacs being outclassed by more than a couple other tanks.

I dunno if it's just been years of pushback from being the 'only' tank at the start of the game.

I agree though I don't think any of the tank specs feel marginalized or heavily outclassed ..however..I never see DH tanks any more?

[sharp night]

DH got a bad rap from 8.0

[left hatch]

Dh is in a decent, albeit it weird spot

they can be super fucking tanky

or dps gods

[sharp night]

got kinda fixed during the reworks but community perception is still bad

[left hatch]

but yah theres still the perception of them being paper

meanwhile the real paper tanks are the 'omg they so stronk' fake hype tanks

cough dk

[fringe marten]

I just remember it used to be Shakeeb and JB ..and shakeeb was tankin' running around kiting constantly... and then poof, he NEVER tanked again.

[graceful pewter]

i main dh and it doesnt feel as strong as yall are saying it is

for vdh

defintely a gap between the tank classes

[left hatch]

i mean it depends on the build you're going

[graceful pewter]

im leveling my vulpera prot right now and holy fuck the difference in threat gen is insane

[left hatch]

gluttony+vop makes you one of the best defensive tanks in the game

so it depends what your criteria for strong is

[graceful pewter]

i mean 18k dps with that build for me

while i see prot hitting 30k

[fringe marten]

That's why I mentioned I never see DH tanks; that usually says something. I just unlocked mechagnome for the heck of it; I'm not changing from Dark Iron dwarf... but how are they?

[graceful pewter]

and not dying

[left hatch]

like i said, you can be a dps god, or super fucking tanky

theres no in between

[strong forum]

I did siege and did 23k overall as glut

So idk

[graceful pewter]

well yea thats still not great

imagine what prot would do in the stiuation

probaly 30k+

[strong forum]

So

[fringe marten]

During beta mechagnomes had what looked to be a VERY powerful DPS racial; is it as good as it seems on paper?

[graceful pewter]

thats a huge difference

thats millions of dmg

[strong forum]

Doesn't mean vdh is bad

[left hatch]

but dps isn't the only factor in tank strenght

[strong forum]

Vdh is a good tank

[left hatch]

its the factor i care about most cause pumping

[strong forum]

If you say otherwise you're flat out wrong

[graceful pewter]

VDH isnt bad, its just not good

its mediocre

[oblique garnet]

23k is very low overall at this point tho

[graceful pewter]

compared to prot andbrm

[left hatch]

id rank it 3rd behind monk>prot

[strong forum]

Yes im not good at vdh

[fringe marten]

It's late in the expac so tank durability is simply assumed; now all tanks care about is damage. It's how it always will work.

[left hatch]

for s3 M+

[oblique garnet]

compared to literally into any tank 23k is low

[strong forum]

Could prolly pull 28k as glut

30k+ with spb is easy

[graceful pewter]

i super doubt 28k glut

[strong forum]

But with glut gets a bit harder

[graceful pewter]

are you running null dyanmo? r3

i didnt have r3 until 8.3

[strong forum]

As glut you go dps trinkets

And dps essences

Cuz you're so fucking tanky

[left hatch]

😄 like brm

and theres an objective level of strength to that durability

[graceful pewter]

i was running 430edicts 430ink vop glut c&s aegis, didn't have r3 null,

[fringe marten]

Unless they retool how brewmasters core theme and function work..they will forever be the most durable tank. ...never forget the Bear in Legion... #greatwhitebuffalo

[left hatch]

and the other thing to consider is Gluttony doesn't take over till 20+

[graceful pewter]

20+?

[left hatch]

keys 20 and higher

below that you don't need the tankyness

and can SB your heart out

[graceful pewter]

idk pug healers arent great

past 2 weeks its been grievous

so SPB was out of the question for me

[left hatch]

you can't judge how good a tank is based on pug experience tho

[graceful pewter]

well thats my personal experience

[left hatch]

pugging sucks on any tank

[graceful pewter]

its an okay tank spec, but not good.

[fringe marten]

^

[left hatch]

im ean by that metric all tanks are ok

but not good

[graceful pewter]

good is reserved for protW and brm

[fringe marten]

..yo he just dookied on paladins..

[graceful pewter]

im super excited to finish leveling my warrior it just feels so good

[left hatch]

thats just feeding into stigma of certain specs being unviable

[oblique garnet]

paladins lul

[left hatch]

end of the day coordination and planning > what spec you play

[graceful pewter]

i've seen protW in 18 and 19 beat 3rd dps

[fringe marten]

( he just had to add that W for the disrespect...)

[graceful pewter]

they fucking pump

[left hatch]

so pugging will always be shitty

[fringe marten]

You really can't judge anything with pugging, pugging keys is such intense cancer..edit: pugging low'ish keys.

[graceful pewter]

i mainly judge specs on 15+

[oblique garnet]

I did a 21 wcm last week with pala tank when we got to tree boi we had to switch because pally couldnt handle it :/

[graceful pewter]

highest i've done is a 19 UNDR and AD 1chest

[ionic fern]

o.o

[left hatch]

so your criteria is what spec is easiest

[fringe marten]

Then that's the paladins fault

[ionic fern]

Pally isn't as bad as people make it out to be if played decently.

[left hatch]

not whats best/strongest

[fringe marten]

No pally is fine

[graceful pewter]

idk all the pally tanks i've seen didn't do so hot

[ionic fern]

I actually think that pally is literally the best PuG tank.

[sick sentinel]

you can just do so much by yourself

[ionic fern]

Jep.

[sick sentinel]

with all the utility you have

[left hatch]

awful lot of sustain too

from light

[ionic fern]

interrupts? Np.
heals? Np.
Save a teammate because they are stupid? Np.

[strong forum]

Pally vs tree boss is big yikes

[sick sentinel]

you can do all the interrupts as well

[distant crystal]

pull that lasts more than 1.5 minutes? rip

[ionic fern]

?

[left hatch]

just pull into a fire and kill your group 4head

then its healers fault

right?

[graceful pewter]

lmao hey 450 guy

arent u in ravenholdt

[distant crystal]

ye

[sick sentinel]

450 guy

[ionic fern]

I miss my Captain America days..think it's time to dust off the old paladin.

[oblique garnet]

i mean mwahi have you seen prot pally vs treeboi in high key ? 😄

[sick sentinel]

you just randomly just fall over

[ionic fern]

Jeah.

[graceful pewter]

idk i think the order of tank specs for 8.3 is going to be protW -> brm -> vdh -> BDK/protP -> Gdruid

[ionic fern]

For keys?

[fringe marten]

way too early for that speculation

[graceful pewter]

yea

[sick sentinel]

why do you do bears like that

[left hatch]

higher up you go worse dk becomes

they fucking paper

[distant crystal]

bdk OMEGALUL

[left hatch]

they'll be bottom

10000%

[ionic fern]

ProtW->BRM->VDH/PALADIN/Gdudu->Bdk.

[left hatch]

^ this

[distant crystal]

i got another geti this week 😄

only 440 tho rip

[graceful pewter]

idk i feel like VDH is still better the druid and paladin but not by much

[exotic spoke]

guardian is good

[distant crystal]

bear gives your group a brez

after you bench your rdruid

:D

[left hatch]

its MW times to shine

break out the kickweaving

[fringe marten]

I've always loved monk dps and mistweavers.

the run speed buff alone I dig.

But disease cures and paralyze pretty spiffy. (it is disease right? or is it poison?)

[left hatch]

i think its both

[nimble mauve]

I usually hit the button and hope it works

[left hatch]

cause it can do UR boss and the FH poison bois

[nimble mauve]

Ctrl+4 and pray

And Siege bois

[left hatch]

them too

[undone sun]

alright, i'll bite

control + 4

seems super awkward to press

[graceful pewter]

hmm actually ya know if i compare top r.io for highest keys s3 its brm -> protW- > protP -> gDruid -> VDH/BDK, neither of those two have done a +24

[ionic fern]

Yeees?

[oblique garnet]

the only prot pally is also prot pally 1 trick

[graceful pewter]

well if you have those timed it shows that ur durable enough to tank the key

like the class can handle it and deal some dmg

[left hatch]

minute differences between specs are also amplified the higher you go

i think only 1 +25 was done

that doesn't make every other tank bad

the only bad tank rn is bdk

[graceful pewter]

i think u meant +26

[left hatch]

yah 26

[ionic fern]

It's a bit skewed tho.
People who push for world firsts and really high keys obviously play the BEST (no matter how little better) classes to gain the maximum.
This doesn't neccessarily mean that other tanks are not capable of doing this. It's just that the best teams/groups prefer fotm.
This ALSO doesn't mean that the truth is that those classes just can't do it. 🤷

But BDK is trash. I agree with that.

😂

@undone sun click it on your mouse, smh

[undone sun]

smh

[graceful pewter]

next season i'm wanting to do 23's atleast

[ionic fern]

Looking to be a decent/fun season again.

[left hatch]

you'll have to find a consistent group for that

[ionic fern]

So i might actually start doing some keys again.

[left hatch]

pugs arn't capable of going that high

[ionic fern]

👀

[left hatch]

cause pugs

[graceful pewter]

yea all i do is pug so i didnt get to do any 20's or 21s

[left hatch]

theres discords for keys and stuff

make friends 😄

[graceful pewter]

like what

[left hatch]

idk, im not a member of any of hte key pushing discords

but iv heard they a good place to look for other like minded ppl

wait it out or ask during more active hours here and im sure someone can inv you

[nimble mauve]

@undone sun I use a Scimitar mouse I hit ctrl on keyboard then 4 on mouse

I've been doing the MOBA mouse for a couple months now. Still not 100% sold on its effectiveness.

[ionic fern]

I enjoy them.

I got Naga currently and it's so much easier to manage than doing everything with keyboard, especially if you got a ton of binds.

[nimble mauve]

It is nice having all the buttons there. But I feel like I lose a lot of control with clicking nameplates quickly.

[ionic fern]

Clicking nameplates?

[left hatch]

i really like my naga

even if i only use 8 of the 12 buttons

my thumbs can't bend back enough to comfortably hit 10-12

[nimble mauve]

Yeah if there's an int I need to spot for someone who burned their int, or if there's a stray mob I need to get threat on.

[ionic fern]

I'm pressing those with the back of my thumb @left hatch

[nimble mauve]

Kinda hard to explain

[left hatch]

hmm i could see trying to hit it with the bottom of my knuckle, i feel like id fat finger it and mash wrong ones tho

[ionic fern]

I got my defensives under the last row. 😂

No biggie.

But guess it just takes some time getting used to Auzara.

I don't really click on nameplates other than to focus target a specific mob in m+ for a interrupt.

[onyx vessel]

Defensives you mean avatar

I click my cds

[ionic fern]

madjay after all.

[ebon hound]

hook up pedals, keybind one pedal to Avatar and the other pedal to Tclap 👢 🍵 👏

[left hatch]

^ same setup but with the DK Jungle Beats drums

slap my way to victory

[strong forum]

Remind me to sim with 3x bom 2x ms @oblique garnet later today, cuz I didn't even give raidbots that option yesterday , curious to see if it pumps more

[oblique garnet]

it wont

[ionic fern]

More than what?

[strong forum]

Than the random assortments I had, simmed soulspun casque cthraxxi and ashvane warden with basically all traits

Got some RF, some BFI, and chest was bom + Ms.

Was just curious cuz 12k higher sim just cuz 5 sockets and t3 stars vs my t1 stars was kinda

[warm solar]

guys, how much corruption can you have on a protector?

[brittle owl]

all of it

doesn't mean you want to

[oblique garnet]

@strong forum T3 IS is just completely broken and sims like 10k more

if not more

[ionic fern]

^

[strong forum]

Figured it would be like 6k

But more than 10k more than t1 stars

[warm solar]

hnn

[wheat flower]

i wanna come bk to prot warr after 2 seasons,can someone link some gd guide for this patch. cheers

[ionic fern]

Hello,
Both the Icyveins and WoWHead guides can be found in the #268491842637660160 Protection section. That's probably a good place to start.

[wheat flower]

ty ❤️

[sullen valve]

Daily reminder prot warrior is updated for 8.3 on wowA

[leaden grail]

do you get mats for vision of perfection in heroic mechagon workshop/junkyard?

[left smelt]

I got the rank 2 recipe from heroic last boss so strong maybe for rank 3 mats as well

[leaden grail]

good to know that you get rank 2 from heroic, im still on rank 1 myself

[left turret]

So is protection warrior at top of m+ meta ranks again after the brewmaster nerfs ?

[tame garden]

Probably

We will see

[left turret]

Great i should level it to 120 now 😂

[manic scaffold]

Wait so are the mythic pluses increasing ilvl?

[tame garden]

Yes

[manic scaffold]

What will plus 10s give

[tame garden]

That's in 2 weeks ^

[sick sentinel]

somebody already has rank 7 cloak

even though blizzard said "You can't"

lmao

He's a farmer

[tame garden]

Y tho

[sick sentinel]

He even has the dispel usage on the cloak

[manic scaffold]

@ionic fern thank you

Im 433 ilvl i guess i have to do plus 4 or 5 for now till i catch up

[ionic fern]

You can easily do 10s with that ilvl and dungeon knowledge.

[sick sentinel]

You can do +10s / +15s at 433

Just takes a little more organization or skill from the individual

[manic scaffold]

Im new to tanking so im not confident yet

[sick sentinel]

I'd recommendlooking up some guides. prot is pretty easy

Just don't overlap your shield blocks, don't save them either. Use Demo and avatar on CD and last stand after your 3 initial shield blocks are gone

Basically the premise

[strong forum]

Damn, don't have my copy pasta on phone ready

[tame garden]

Shame

[strong forum]

Found it

you can chain 3x SB with appropriate amount of haste
After that you use Last stand to fill the CD downtime of Shield Block which should allow you to get 2 charges of SB again
So it's SB-SB-SB-LS-SB-SB
(For general defensive rotation assuming pure blockable dmg)

You use Avatar and Demo shout on CD
priority is SS>TC>Revenge>devastate for dmg
Never cap rage, pump excess rage into IP, not into revenge.
Don't empty your Rage bar before needing to use SB
If you know you will take heavy dmg use SW beforehand.

If you can't keep up SB or LS fill the gap with shockwave / kiting ( if needed) / shieldwall
Or ask for an external

[manic scaffold]

I always save last stand for when im about to die

[brittle owl]

that is wrong

[strong forum]

Many wrong

[brittle owl]

incredibly so

[manic scaffold]

Oh shit

[strong forum]

It's a rotational ability

[brittle owl]

you are a pro active tank

you need to be PROactive

[strong forum]

Not an 'oh shit' button we don't have those

[brittle owl]

not REactive

you have jackshit buttons to use to be reactive as a prot warrior

[manic scaffold]

Shield wall is the only oh shit button i guess

[strong forum]

Even that not really

[brittle owl]

it's not an oh shit button

[manic scaffold]

Oh damn

[brittle owl]

it doesn't save you if you get chunked to 10% hp bcs you fuck up

you use it beforehand to not get to 10% in the first place

[strong forum]

It's only an 'oh shit I am about to take alot of dmg' button when at high HP

You use every button we have, before taking dmg

We can't do anything after the fact

[manic scaffold]

Looks like i got more research to do then

[brittle owl]

just like

use common sense

and you'll be golden

[manic scaffold]

I do like how my abilites come back so fast

[brittle owl]

😉

[manic scaffold]

Avatar comes back so fast

[strong forum]

You have to understand that you have to use your shit before taking dmg

Once you understand that you're on a good way

[manic scaffold]

Ok well that actually makes more sense now

[brittle owl]

like i said

common sense

[strong forum]

It's all knowledge what enemy does what.
Don't be afraid to use SW at 90% hp if you know that you will get trucked

SW at 10% is virtually useless

[sick spindle]

The learning curve is pretty steep in the beginning imo, but once you get the hang of managing shieldblock, filling the gaps with last stand and keeping ignore pain up, you're feeling like you take little to no dmg at all anymore, and then start focussing on saving cooldowns for known tankbusters 🙂

[strong forum]

Roughly

[brittle owl]

managing shieldblock is a non issue 90% of the time tbh

[strong forum]

But we don't save CDs

[brittle owl]

it;s how you cover your gaps that's the real learning curve

[manic scaffold]

I use it right when the first one expires

[brittle owl]

and noticing when that gap can occur

[strong forum]

Yes you don't wanna overlap shitv

[sick spindle]

There is a LOT of nuance of course, but in general.

[strong forum]

As prot you have to play like 10sec+ ahead in your head

Well more like 5

[manic scaffold]

Right so all i need to do is just know what ima get trucked with and know my limits

[strong forum]

Yes

[manic scaffold]

Fair enough

Ty for the advice

[sick sentinel]

Or you can just play prot for years and still be bad like me

This is an option

[tame garden]

🏃

[gilded tapir]

Can anyone confirm if K values are changed this week? Can't find any posts on it that arent speculation

[ionic fern]

Pretty sure it's coming when s4 starts.

[modern brook]

^ I heard the same

[gilded tapir]

Yeah i would have assumed it would but can't find anything concrete that actually states it.

[slate pilot]

Havent heard anyone mentioning tanks taking significantly more damage in Dungeons this week either

[sick spindle]

Next week afaik, when dungeon scaling hits.

[gilded tapir]

I just ran an 18 with a brew tank who was getting chopped by tyrannical trash thats all.

[gilded tapir]

Wasnt sure if that was just monk nerfs or if it was nerfs + k values on top

[slate pilot]

He was probably just as trash as the trash

[ionic fern]

So no,not from this week.

[gilded tapir]

Thanks for that ❤️

[modern brook]

I'd check the logs

Very possible he wasnt playing

he is a brewmaster after all

[brittle owl]

gotox got fixed so his healing got chopped by ~24%

so if he wasnt playing, he was essentially taking 24% more damage

[lucid dew]

Have they announced when alts can skip cloak quest

[ionic fern]

What do you mean when?

Afaik alts already can skip some parts

[sick sentinel]

alts can skip scenario´s

[lucid dew]

Oh really someone in my guild told me it wasn’t out yet lol wow

[tame garden]

You can skip the first halls of origination scenario and the mogu'shan scenario

Still gotta do everything else

[sick spindle]

(which is like assaults/dailies and quests that actually give AP rewards, so u wanna be doing those anyway)

[sterile mantle]

Echoing void is tying or beating thunder clap

[tame garden]

🙂

[sterile mantle]

The weapon from first boss of nya will be interesting

Echoing void in pvp seems beefy as well

[strong forum]

Yes it's broken

Same as infinite stars and mind flay

They do over 7k dps

[tame garden]

I got mind flay on a 420 piece

[strong forum]

And even upwards of 10k+

Guildy got mindflay on 440, t3, does 30k-40k dps when procs and globals people in pvp

[tame garden]

Jesus

[strong forum]

Surprised its still somewhat under the radar

[tame garden]

Ye haven't seen anyone else talking about mind flay

[strong forum]

It's so fucking busted

It's gurthalak on steroids

[inland mesa]

stars is nuts, I have to get my corruption down so I can wear my 430 tier 3 piece. Was screwing with it in WQ and WPVP and it just decimates things, even things I'm not in combat with

a multiboxer flew by to pick zin'anthid and it one shot one of his toons 😄

[exotic spoke]

Morning Prot chat

[lucid dew]

how come such little info on trinkets

in icy veins

[tame garden]

Morning riki

I dont think we really got to test the trinkets on ptr

[lucid dew]

ahh

[novel agate]

wish i would have gotten a stars corruption, would have been fun to play around with it before it inevitably gets nerfed into the ground

[tame garden]

Which is why theres no definitive rankings

[lucid dew]

i got a rank 3 infinite stars

the corruption on it right now is insane though ha

[exotic spoke]

I hate everyone who got IS or EV

[tame garden]

Same

I got leech

[novel agate]

isnt that a 66 corruption or is it 75?

i got 12% mastery.

[exotic spoke]

I only got void Ritual

[novel agate]

its ok, next week we get to run +6's until we get the corrupted pieces we want.

[exotic spoke]

And lose Ilvl for them >.>

[lucid dew]

oh wait nvm i got rank 2 infinite

i thought it was 3

are we going to want to use the corrupted weapon?

the searing flames one?

or is other corruption better

[sick sentinel]

The word leech awoke me from my slumber

Hello prot chat

[warm plinth]

Damnit Speg

You woke him up

[sick sentinel]

I have come to inform you that I also got shitty corruption

[warm plinth]

Is it as shitty as my HDH getting vers on being hit?

[sick sentinel]

Whoa

No not that bad LOL

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, but this is Protection chat ghash

And DH aren’t people

[warm plinth]

I'm starting to feel unwelcome

[strong forum]

Getting leech Was my biggest fear

[exotic spoke]

Maybe that’s what I want......

[strong forum]

Cuz it's literally the ONLY corruption that does NOT increase dmg output

Oh well avoidance

That too

[sick sentinel]

I got avoidance

[strong forum]

Rip

May your dmg be forever low

[lucid dew]

no one answered on raid weapon corruption

[sick sentinel]

It is a good weapon

[lucid dew]

is that a priority for corruption budget?

[sick sentinel]

Nome is it a priority

[strong forum]

😳

[sick sentinel]

Quality answer

[strong forum]

It's bis as long as EV, IS and Mindflay get nerfed

If you can only wear 1 type of corruption item

[lucid dew]

even at 10 - 15 item levels lower?

[warm plinth]

Don't forget Twilight Devastation

[novel agate]

was about to ask if devastation would be better than the firebreath

[strong forum]

Twilight devastation is only on 2h weapons isn't it

[warm plinth]

Is it? I didn't think it mattered

[strong forum]

No idea

[novel agate]

i believe it can be rolled onto any piece like stars can

Stars initially only showed on the 1h sword from raid and now it is on peoples legs/boots

[lucid dew]

i have stars on my belt

[strong forum]

It can roll on anything

Except trinkets

Cuz that would be ridiculously overpowered I think, or too limiting depending on how you look at it

Imagine getting a with t3 stars

That'd be giga yikes

[warm plinth]

Imagine getting a sporepods that ISN'T literal garbage

[strong forum]

I think that's why trinkets can't corrupt

[warm plinth]

Well, pandaland dailies weren't too bad today; only took me 20 mins or so

[sick sentinel]

why do you guys do the dailies when the uldum vision gives you a vessel

and you can only get one per week

[tame garden]

Rep

[warm plinth]

Because even with dailies the rep grind is like 8 weeks lol; not trying to make it longer

[strong forum]

Don't you do both anyway

[sick sentinel]

what are you farming rep for

[tame garden]

Dps essence

[lucid dew]

oh true

yea that dps minior is relly good

[warm plinth]

Essence, and I want dat reusable rune too

[tame garden]

^

Although I'll probably stop doing the dailies on my alt

Cba hunting rares twice

[warm plinth]

Rares are 1 time rep right? Like Mecha/Naz?

[tame garden]

No clue

[warm plinth]

I've been meaning to test but haven't managed to kill the same rare twice XD

[tame garden]

Ye I could barely find 4 for the daily

The zone is so big

[warm plinth]

Get HandyNotes with the N'zoth plugin if you don't have it already 👍

[strong forum]

Fuck rares

[modern brook]

Do you consistently have to go back to the Panda/Uldum zones?

[empty nacelle]

vale>uldum change my mind

[strong forum]

I'm just gonna do minimal effort dailies

[warm plinth]

I sent a very sarcastic tweet to the devs about the rares one. Like how tf do you not learn your lesson after Nazjatar?

[tame garden]

^^^^

Literally just naj all over again

Where they nerfed it several times

And here we are again

Prob just gonna skip that daily from now on

[compact loom]

has anyone tried mechagnomes? thinking about reroll from my human

[warm plinth]

Do you like how they look?

[compact loom]

well, ye, they are ugly af

but technically

[sick sentinel]

it doesn't matter

whatever you like best

[inland mesa]

loot off a rare is reset daily, so you can kill rotfester and ishak daily for mount, rep is 1 time just like mechagon

[tame garden]

Good to know

[warm plinth]

Thanks Chew, that's what I figured

[tame garden]

I wouldn't recommend going mechagnome

You should faction swap and play vulpera

[inland mesa]

ugh if I didn't crash and give up I'd be 74 by now D:, and I'm still ticked the quest stole one of my vessel and my cloak is only rank 4

[compact loom]

vulpera smells like korean mmo

ugh

[tame garden]

Vulpera is bis

[warm plinth]

It stole your vessel?

[tame garden]

Considering we have cow and panda races I think a fox race is fine

[inland mesa]

yes, the first vision it never progressed the storyline so we tried logging in and out until we had like no sanity killed thrall and nothing happened

[warm plinth]

Awkward

[inland mesa]

so we had to buy a 2nd one and go back in to do it again to keep going

it bugged on 2 out of the 4 people >.>

[warm plinth]

You mean on the very first quest?

Like where you go in the first time

[inland mesa]

yes the buy a vessel and go in and witness the corruption thing. Into the Darkest Depths

[warm plinth]

Did you buy a vessel right then or did you use the one you had already

[inland mesa]

I did my alt last night, they've since completely reworked the quest, and my ticket was like yeah we know it's bugged we're working on it lol

uhh, I believe I bought one, the other guy didn't

it now forces you to buy one first, then go in

[warm plinth]

So probably fucked by the guy who didn't buy it first

[tame garden]

Yeah a lot of this patch is really poorly designed

[chilly brook]

You don't say

[tame garden]

Like you can go into horific visions without picking up the quest from wrathion and you just lose out completely on the cloak upgrade

[inland mesa]

what made me mad was the response to the ticket was "We're aware of this issue, we know it's broken and we're trying to fix it, but the Dev team hasn't determined if we'll refund anyone yet."

[warm plinth]

Hey if they started releasing 100% polished patches at this point, I'd be uncomfortable. too used to it atm

[tame garden]

You can go into the daily visions without the quest and completely waste it

[inland mesa]

like thanks, I get to farm 10k CV to make up for your broken quest line?

[tame garden]

How is that ok

[warm plinth]

They can't change it now after 14 years

[chilly brook]

It's not

[inland mesa]

I don't understand why that quest doesn't pop up just like an assualt when you go in

[tame garden]

^^^^

[chilly brook]

But since when do they take responsibility

If only I could auto ignore assault quests though

[tame garden]

Like why on earth would you ever want to go into a daily vision without the quest

Why is that even an option

[chilly brook]

It should honestly just be a bar like the zone quests or w/e

[warm plinth]

Or at least let you go in again if you don’t have the quest the first time so you can abuse it and farm mementos forever 😏

[exotic spoke]

Sounds good to me ghash

[inland mesa]

hmmm, I guess it's not terrible, I need to farm 2067 CV to make up for my missing cloak upgrade and get to 7 by raid tuesday. Since reset gives 10k, 5.5k, 2k, and then 5.5k this friday, 4 more days of the 1k

[chilly brook]

I mean honestly though stuff like this is why I'm surprised they released the patch this soon

[exotic spoke]

You can easily get to 7 on Tuesday if you miss one

Soon? Weve been waiting for this patch forever lol

[warm plinth]

Idk. Every patch has bugs, and still would even if they waited longer. Lol

[tame garden]

It's not bugs tho

[chilly brook]

Yes but they could have dialed some things in better

Like rare spawns

[tame garden]

Just poorly designed

[chilly brook]

Getting the kill 4 rare spawns quest is pepega

[tame garden]

Imagine nerfing naj rare daily twice

And then just putting the original into the new patch

[exotic spoke]

How about using the sliver of Ny’alotha to get a bounty on yourself

[warm plinth]

Lolol

[tame garden]

Blizzard is so fucking pepega

[warm plinth]

Hang on

[exotic spoke]

Luckily if alliance kills you they don’t get a bounty

[warm plinth]

@tame garden it’s like we’re the same guy!

[tame garden]

[chilly brook]

And imo completing the assaults is just a slog

[tame garden]

The zone is so insanely big too

People call out a rare and it's dead by the time you get there

[warm plinth]

Idk. I don’t mind the dailies or the assaults. Just the rares daily

[chilly brook]

I would have rather had a copy paste of the horde/alliance assaults

[warm plinth]

Yeah I literally flew to a rate that was announced unengaged. It took me 15 seconds to get there and it was dead already. I timed it lol

Rare

[inland mesa]

you don't like do 100 things because each thing is 1%?

[chilly brook]

No

That's dumb

[warm plinth]

Eh I mean

Just do the objectives

[tame garden]

Which was a problem they fixed in mechagon by making the rares tankier

They're literally making the exact same mistakes they did last patch

[warm plinth]

They give like 30-40% each and you want them for rep anyway

[tame garden]

It's ridiculous

[inland mesa]

1.8 mil hp rares are fine ok, that's a cyclo double CF and stars proc and it's dead

XD

oooo does your character look all corrupted in armory?

[warm plinth]

I haven’t gotten a corrupted effect worth keeping yet so I don’t know :/

[chilly brook]

I'm actually kinda excited to test out these pants tonight

If it procs often it'll be nutty

[inland mesa]

no it doesn't, my immersion is ruined

[warm plinth]

What pants

[chilly brook]

50% extra cd reduction for 10 seconds @warm plinth

[inland mesa]

O.O

[warm plinth]

Ehhh

Seems like it’s gonna be 1ppm and be lame lol

[chilly brook]

It's a 10ilvl drop for me to use them but if it procs consistently often I would assume it would at least be better defensively

[inland mesa]

I ran around at 40 corruption using my 430 T3 IS belt last night, it was fun, but those void guys are FAST and take like half your health

[warm plinth]

You gotta be faster then Chew

[inland mesa]

they sometimes spawn like holding your hand

[warm plinth]

Yikes lol

Just be a nelf

[inland mesa]

and their impact zone is way bigger than their model

[warm plinth]

And instameld him off

[tame garden]

Ye they basically have ranged melees

[inland mesa]

I got 3 to proc at one point

and an eye, and I was like, welp it's been fun

[chilly brook]

I wonder if that effect also works with anger management

[warm plinth]

Yeah... so much for 1ppm huh

That’s the discussion that took place last night

[inland mesa]

or not the eye the slow tentacle and leap was down

[warm plinth]

But I highly doubt it

[inland mesa]

fear doesn't work on them 😦

[warm plinth]

Just silly how some people can ignore that affix

[chilly brook]

Well I might be doing a heroic clear with the guild I'm trialing for so I guess I'll just do it with logs and the pants

[warm plinth]

Like hunters can just feign and it disappears

[inland mesa]

hmmm, do yellow cards drop in mecha, is that going to be a thing that we get 465 cards in cyclo?

[warm plinth]

No idea. Are there any on the journal?

[inland mesa]

not in game to check

[chilly brook]

I would assume they drop in mecha m+

[warm plinth]

I imagine if they aren’t in the journal then they won’t but we won’t know for sure until next week

[inland mesa]

I want to get my corruption down enough to use the belt on heroic prog

[warm plinth]

Well then you shouldn’t have fucked your vision huh

:p

[inland mesa]

D:

[tame garden]

😭

[inland mesa]

essence for 10, how much more does 7 give vs 4?

if I can get the run away guys off it'll be worth, will just have to watch the dumb eye

although, in warmode you can spell reflect all the eye casts \o/

[chilly brook]

Lol

But you can't in non wm?

[inland mesa]

you need the WM talent that reflects all spells for the duration

[chilly brook]

Oh

[warm plinth]

Here you go Chew

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/567205179410219010/666469124116971520/unknown.png

So 7 more resist

[inland mesa]

my healers let me die this week in TEP because I wasn't on my monk and they forgot I needed healing >.>

14 seconds, tanking the boss, no heals

7 is actually perfect, that would put me under 40 and remove the shadow dude

[chilly brook]

Sounds like they just wanted to let you die

[tame garden]

Healers are the worst

Not even hotting the active tank

[inland mesa]

so 4 to 5 is kill main boss, 5 to 6 is kill one middle side, and 6 to 7 is two middle sides or 1 hard side?

[novel agate]

6 to 7 requires you to have 2 points in the treasure upgrade and it drops from the chests in the +8 section I believe there are two boxes a side could be wrong on that though

[warm plinth]

Nice I got the Rotfeaster mount my first kill 😂 Meanwhile, still no wheel from Rustfeather 😦

[chilly brook]

I need to watch a video on how to properly do the visions

I haven't done any except for the trial one

[tame garden]

Haven't watched it yet but dratnos just did a video on visions

[polar kite]

I got this corruption thing on my belt with +50 corruption, it's Infinite Stars, should I wear it as a tank?

[strong forum]

is that a question or a brag

[polar kite]

A question, because it's only offensive, right?

[tame garden]

It does giga damage tho

[strong forum]

its brokenly strong

[marble cipher]

Use it, and have fun till they nerf it

[polar kite]

Okay, I just furied through the questline yet, so I have no idea how it's working in dungeons

thanks :)

does this corruption gear affect sanity in the visions?

except for the normal disadvantages?

[left hatch]

nope, sanity is independent from corruption

[marble cipher]

Not that I know off, but don't really know all the debuffs by heart

[polar kite]

alright, gtk :)

[oblique garnet]

with fully upgraded cloak that you can get now it only gives you 30 corruption

and even with tier 3 playing at 55 corruption on trivial content it makes no difference if you have it

[still flame]

About to jump in my first Vision through the Wrathion quest. Do I just go kill Thrall?

[tame garden]

Ye on the first one just kill thrall. Then you get the sanity orb upgrade and can do more

[still flame]

@tame garden so I just died on my first attempt :/ do you kill the ads leading up to thrall or nah?

[chilly brook]

Reeeeeee

[fading relic]

Just kill one side, kill 2 guards, kill thrall

[chilly brook]

Cyberpunk 2077 delayed to September

Fuuuuu

[novel agate]

just in time for shadowlands to be released in august >.> i jest

[tame garden]

Yeah just pull 1 side and the guards, make sure to stun/kick their fear casts

Then on thrall make sure to dodge the frontal

If you fuck up mechanics it drains sanity

[still flame]

yeah 3rd times the charm lol

so I did it once, i got the quest to bring more pages.

ive got 19k coalescing right now

so if I can do it 2 more times il get to Rank 4 then be done?

[novel agate]

What are our minor's looking like for season 4 m+? lucid + null + ?

[still flame]

like do i get pages every time I kill Thrall?

[strong forum]

need the quest

[still flame]

the Torn Page one, right?

[wooden radish]

until level 5 yes

after that you need the side areas and thrall doesn't matter

@ionic fern what level is your cape?

[still flame]

and highest we can get it this week is 5? so its not tragic that I messed up my first two times since I cant get it higher and theres a 25k cap on how much Visions currency we can have?

[ionic fern]

The real question should be "Mwahi, do you have the cape yet?"

No,no i do not.

[wooden radish]

p.s. you should promote our podcast @ionic fern

[warm plinth]

Um excuse me

[wooden radish]

@still flame cap is 6 this week

[warm plinth]

#promotion

😂

[ionic fern]

I just logged on today so doing the quest line now.

😒

[warm plinth]

Yeah you're behind if you failed twice. But it's not the end of the world really.

[tame garden]

Podcast?

[wooden radish]

jesus @ionic fern you casual

[tame garden]

👀

[wooden radish]

how can you be an orange name