protection

[warm plinth]

10 min CD

[stoic pilot]

Good point on mailbox toy I forgot about that

[analog zinc]

wait theres a mailbox engie toy

whats it called

[stark scroll]

Moll-E

[winged grail]

Ghash how much did you pay for the boost out of curiosity?

[warm plinth]

Uh, 375k I think? That was 8/8 with someone funneling to me and I could roll on shit the guild doing the boost didn't need (which is how I got my inkpod)

It's cheaper now though; that was like a month ago

[winged grail]

That's not too bad I guess considering the loot you could get

[warm plinth]

Yeah I got super lucky; managed to get a 440 folly and a 435 inkpod the same run lol.

[winged grail]

That's pretty sweet

[near ivy]

full hc no trading goes for 160k rn

kinda crazy

[warm plinth]

125k in the community I'm in now I think

[near ivy]

i just went by gallys price

but by your numbers

HM mechagon (by gally) costs 100k more than full hc xd

[warm plinth]

Yeah, gally is 125k right now for PL only

[near ivy]

price list not updated

[warm plinth]

Oh wait

Are you NA or EU?

[near ivy]

EU

understandable

[warm plinth]

Oh, that would be the difference. Weird though because most shit on NA is more expensive XD

[sullen valve]

Hello. Have you heard the holy word of Wow Analyzer?

[sick sentinel]

Wow what

[tardy warren]

School me on which essences I should be using that I actually have please

[warm plinth]

Vision, Memory/Aegis

[tardy warren]

@warm plinth ty

[shy atlas]

does anyone have a link for the WA that shows spell reflect damage in details?

[warm plinth]

https://wago.io/IwPukH70B

[distant crystal]

nerf incoming

[shy atlas]

thanks!

[warm plinth]

👍

[balmy narwhal]

hey guys

I have a 70 neck

but my CNS give 23 vers per stack

is that normal?

[mortal brook]

tooltip error

will be fixed tues

[balmy narwhal]

Is it only on warriors?

cuz my monk co tank is fine

[mortal brook]

unquipped mine says 23, equipped says 55

[balmy narwhal]

oooh right

yeah it says 55 now

[errant oriole]

hey guys so how good are prot wars gonna be next patch?

[sick sentinel]

We will be GUD

[errant oriole]

ah so this whole tank rank thing is bs kinda 😛

[sick sentinel]

Tank balance in bfa is as good as it has ever been. So yes. If played decently well any tank is viable

[errant oriole]

ah k

[wheat talon]

also it depends pretty heavily on what content you're doing

[errant oriole]

prob most norm heroic lil bit of mythic

[upbeat sigil]

Yeah you’ll be fine. Pretty much what Hawgz said, if played properly/well you’ll get through the tier easy. Especially heroic and the first few mythic bosses

[left hatch]

the only point 'what tank am i playing' will ever have an impact on your ability to do content is if you're in the top 100 race for mythic, or you're looking to push the top M+ keys possible

[errant oriole]

ah ok

[sick sentinel]

Or you’re a wuss and play brewmaster cause dad tells you to

[errant oriole]

lol

i have one of every tank class 😛

would prot wars have to work "harder" than the other tanks would u guys say?

just curious

[distant crystal]

does

snowball still work for enchanted

[west galleon]

not really @errant oriole manage your shield blocks and use defensives right

and otherwise just pump out as much dmg like every other tank

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern i don't see any prot warriors in these loyal to the end cheese logs. Does that mean Prot Warriors are bad? Thanks I'll hang up and listen.

[errant oriole]

ah kk thanks @west galleon

[stoic pilot]

@distant crystal yeah it does

[distant crystal]

can confirm

that's so silly

[glass finch]

Hey so just annoyingly noob question? I’ve noticed that top m+ tanks switched pretty heavily from visions to lucid. Just layman’s version, why?

[sick sentinel]

Because they do large pulls and they know when they are doing those large pulls always

[glass finch]

Ah so predictability?

[sick sentinel]

Yes, you would never use it basically in a pug

or even low coordinated groups

[glass finch]

Okie dokie ty for simple answer

Just good to have rage when you know you need it most

[sick sentinel]

It's really the leech and anger management that you want

[glass finch]

Hm ok ya

[lusty grotto]

@undone sun what are you doing in classic

[vapid ibex]

435 legs or 430 legs with socket? does ilvl matter more for tanks or does socket?

[left hatch]

on legs id probably go with ilvl

[strong forum]

Legs have the most stats of all non azerite pieces so it's a 🤔

Rule of thumb is socket is
~5ilvl on gear
10-15 on rings

[brittle owl]

^ mind you this is extremely feelycrafty

[marble cipher]

On such a small margin I usually go for sims and pick the dps increase, as defensively it won't really make a difference (or not a lot).
Dps won't be a lot either probably, but meh, it's something

[leaden grail]

Do you guys think azeroth's undying gift will be a desired essence for the new raid? I will reroll to prot warrior because my M+ tank is going to quit the game and I basically have no essences yet

going to clear like half the raid in mythic probably

[left hatch]

nope

undying gift has really really niche use where you have to deal with a huge tank buster

so at best its useful learning a fight like Orgazoa at high end/early prog raiding

the useful essences (for raid) are gonna be CoF, VoP, CnS, Null, and the new raid one

[leaden grail]

then i'll just not have it i think. cant think of anything more annoying than grindign an old raid

[limpid pawn]

I think undying gift is a great essence for prog on magic heavy fights

Queens court, and azshara

It will absolutely save your ass

[grim berry]

So 8.3 is live soon, are we still going into echoing void ?

[left hatch]

its desinged to save your ass against huge burst damage tho

[leaden grail]

meh. do they nerf the requirements to get it?

[left hatch]

otherwise a solid stat thing like CnS will be better overall

and even magic heavy fights have a not-insignificant physical component

so like i said its good for learning but

theres better options for overall mitigation once you can survive around those bursts

and as of yet no, no nerf

[leaden grail]

honestly i consider myself a good enough player to deal with stuff without the essence. i was just wondering whether or not there was a boss that would just do 900k magical dmg every minute or something so that undying gift would be the only option (that i can think of) to deal with it

[left hatch]

its not coming down to how 'good' you are

the necesity of gift is how fast your raid progs

[leaden grail]

well if thats what it comes down to im so safe

we're snails

[left hatch]

yah yo'ull overgear shit long before a scary point youd need it

[leaden grail]

alright, sounds good. thanks

[left hatch]

but on a side note, theres no such thing as being "good enough to deal with stuff without essences"

esp if you wanna do high M+

essences are gonna improve your performance (or lack of hurt your performance) regardless of your level of play

so you should try to get some of the most useful ones like VoP and CnS

or even perfect play will see you falter behind mediocre players with BiS choices

[leaden grail]

i will get every single essence i can get my hands on, I was just hoping that Undying Gift can stay something i can not get my hands on :p

[left hatch]

you can safely pass on grinding Worldvein and Ripple

worldvein is good for cheesing dps but mst guilds/ppl are too selfish to have enough ppl run it

cause XYZ sims better for them in a bubble

and ripple is just bad

[leaden grail]

I'm gonna get worldvein passively from getting my neck up to date, and I don't consider ripple an essence :p

[left hatch]

anima goes in that pool too of something thats meh but you get passively

[leaden grail]

yeah. Basically what I'm doing is grind some BG's, do naz/mechagon every day and will do conflict&strife in season 4

and mechagon hm once a week

[tame garden]

Worldvein getting giga buffed

[left hatch]

the active is

passive is the same

[leaden grail]

but there's no way you'll ever use it as a major

[left hatch]

and its still an essences that makes people rely on others run it

so 95% of groups wont run it

[tame garden]

No reason not to get it

Comes from islands

[left hatch]

right it comes passively

[leaden grail]

yeah I'll get it for sure

[left hatch]

fuck dude you're having to swap at a bad time, putting on this 8.2 grind right around the corner from new content :/

and with blizz being stingy about loosening requirements

[leaden grail]

that's quite alright

[tame garden]

It's really not that bad

[leaden grail]

honestly, essence grind is not as bad as people think

[tame garden]

1 month to be caught up

[left hatch]

eh a month of tedious old content is pretty bad imo

[leaden grail]

1 month? I'm sure I'll need a lot less

[tame garden]

1 month from scratch

[left hatch]

Lucid is at least 20 days

since time gate

[tame garden]

For r3 visions and conflict

[broken isle]

Is it bad becuz they're difficult to acquire, or the time it takes to get them?

[tame garden]

Timegated

[leaden grail]

the new lucid is a lot less, isnt it?

[left hatch]

time consuming

[oblique garnet]

On the bright side you wont need azeroths undying gift at all

[left hatch]

Lucid hasn't changed?

[leaden grail]

ofc

6000 -> 4800

thats 16 days of 3 daily quests

[left hatch]

Lucid is behind the follower stuff

isn't it still the same

the achievement?

[broken isle]

it's boring and there's no way to speed it up

[left hatch]

get 1 dude to level 20

[broken isle]

Gimme Mythic WQs blizz

[leaden grail]

yeah. you used to need 6000 reputation, it will be 4800 in 8.3

uhh exp* not rep

[left hatch]

oh ok, not as bad

Warmode = Mythic WQ (:

[leaden grail]

the thing that will take longest is probably mechagon reputation

that will still take me 2 weeks probaby. but honestly rank 2 nullification barrier is fine for starters and I will easily get that before the raid opens

[left hatch]

eh i wouldn't use r2 Null

[broken isle]

Those fishing quests give a lot of rep

[left hatch]

that good part of null is the 2k~ dps it gives you

in raid

[tame garden]

The entire point of null is r3

[leaden grail]

rly? I thought the magic absorb was good

[tame garden]

Meh

[left hatch]

solid stats serve you better

than the absorb

[tame garden]

You pick it for the dps

[leaden grail]

even less stuff to worry about then!

[left hatch]

mmmm nah itll be BiS in raid still

[broken isle]

U'll be judged for not having it

[left hatch]

once you get r3

[leaden grail]

u dont know my guild though

[left hatch]

pepega guild is even more reason to get BiS stuff

to carry dead weight

[leaden grail]

I'll still get nullification barrier as fast as I can

obviously

[broken isle]

I'm sorta kidding

[leaden grail]

But if it is not required for survival it's good enough for when we start mythic, and that won't be week 1

[eager tartan]

I didn't start using nullification barrier till I noticed it's dps 🤣

[oblique garnet]

Do you have mechagon exalted on another character ?

Well exalted + 1 paragon

That way you can just farm the rep in a day

[strong forum]

Will still need the oscillators

And with that a shitton of crates in itself, if you wanna do the 'exploit'

[exotic spoke]

Morning Prot chat

[torpid rock]

Is there any prot warriors that streams running key keys?

high*

[exotic spoke]

I’m sure you can find some from time to time, maybe even consistently

However, I’d caution against just following what they do as it may not be optimal for your situation - if you’re looking for guidance

[torpid rock]

Whats the best way then?

[exotic spoke]

Reading the guides, icy veins has a great one, and following them for defensive play

And then doing

Log your progress and you can evaluate them. watching is great - but just blindly following isn’t

[torpid rock]

Ive seen warriors do almost 25k+ hps overall just trying to figure out how?

[analog swift]

Exactly

[strong forum]

In high enough dmg environments Ignore Pain gets consumed faster resulting in higher HPs cuz there's not much left over

[analog swift]

This is why streams are dumb

[strong forum]

But looking at hps is a very dumb metric

[analog swift]

Warriors are not deathknights DHs or brewmasters

[strong forum]

Your aim as prot warri is not achieving high HPs

[analog swift]

We stop damage we don’t heal it

[torpid rock]

details counts that as healing no?

[strong forum]

No

If that was the case, warri would in the 100k+ range

Because block is insane in physical damage midigation

Aka your main Midigation Tool

[sand egret]

for editing audio files?

🤣

[strong forum]

👀

[sand egret]

"midigation"

tis a pun

❤️

[torpid rock]

well alright then

[strong forum]

Prot warri has low dmg income, thus no self healing

Tanks like monk, bdk and vdh have high dmg income, but counteract that with self healing

(there's a little more to it but that's the giga simplefied version)

[torpid rock]

I just have a hard time tanking 15s just trying to see where I can improve on

15s or higher

[strong forum]

Managing Shieldblock / LS uptime is a good starting point

[glad ridge]

thats my worry about all the new solo content as prot

[strong forum]

How come samurai

[glad ridge]

no healing

[strong forum]

So?

You take minimal dmg where you won't be needing to be healed, especially in visions when you can get a shitton of VR cuz so small adds

[glad ridge]

you dont wanna die in the new solo content or you will fuck a week off

[strong forum]

You only die if you play giga bad

[glad ridge]

im not on the ptr so im not sure whats its like but i seen a few warriors get pretty fucked

[strong forum]

Must be doing smth wrong then

[glad ridge]

im gonna race my gnome into a mecha gnome and ill have a self heal anyways

lol

[strong forum]

Cuz how else for example would I be able to get to 120+ stacks vs the tank dummy

As prot

[glad ridge]

so how can you self heal with out the use of vs?

[strong forum]

You don't need much

That's the entire point

[glad ridge]

vr*

[strong forum]

You don't even lose HP, so there's nothing to be healed

Visions will be the same as islands

If you overpull you will die yes, but there will be shitton of small adds that will proc VR if needed

[glad ridge]

i think DH will have a lot of fun

[strong forum]

Yup

[glad ridge]

they will do good on solo content like the towers

[torpid rock]

Just to make sure ending a dung with 15k hps is fine then?

[analog swift]

No

Body

Cares

That’s like saying “we had 100 plays in our football game”

It’s an irrelevant metric

[torpid rock]

ok..

thanks

[exotic spoke]

@glad ridge why are you soloing the horrific visions?

Not that we can’t, but it’s extremely inefficient

And like others have said, HPS for us is not a good metric for skill / if you’re playing correctly.

Talking with other discord leadership about different tanking and HPS parsing came up - for how bad of a metric it is especially for prot

And the comment was “you can have great HPS parsing as a warrior - but it means you’re playing like shit and prioritizing Ip over shield block”

[left hatch]

You do'nt need self healing in Horrific visions.... you have plenty of self-healing from VR

and while i havn't tried it with masks, even mass pulling shit doens't do enough damage to need anything else

even the bosses do'nt move your health

solo content isn't tuned to be very difficult or require self-heals otherwise dps couldn't do it

and yah if yo'ure shooting for high HPS you're flat out going to be getting into a shitty and harmful playstyle

where you aim for awful traits like Bloodsport, and mash IP over keeping good uptime on SB

just turn off heal meter tbh and use the 2nd details window for an Overall DPS tracker

[exotic spoke]

It’s not that you can’t do it solo. It’s that it’s better in a group imo. Bigger, safer pulls.

Longer time in the vision - more mementos

[left hatch]

^

[exotic spoke]

That’s all I was saying Morrison

[left hatch]

oh it wasn't to you riki

it was to the guy freaking out about prot not having self-healing

and hes like the 3rd person in as many days that is terrified of 'solo-content'

where choice of class/spec is even more meaningless than high end group stuff

[strong forum]

s1 all over again

tank with no self healing = bad

[sudden snow]

undertow vs vast horizon flasks for nyalotha?

[strong forum]

always strength

[exotic spoke]

^^

[tame garden]

Vast horizon pog

[strong forum]

assuming vast horizon is HP, idk what that is

never seen it

[tame garden]

Stam flask ye

[strong forum]

yikes

[exotic spoke]

Bad Speg

[sudden snow]

ya vast is HP

[strong forum]

stam flasks have never been a thing ever since they existed

[exotic spoke]

Strength all the way

[left hatch]

^

[sudden snow]

rgr thanks

[exotic spoke]

I just want tomorrow to get here

[strong forum]

i kinda dont

tbh

[exotic spoke]

Start the horrific visions...

[strong forum]

too much stuff to do day1

for my timesched

[exotic spoke]

There’s nothing to do now Nome. And there’s not a whole lot to do - just a good consistent amount IMO

[strong forum]

uhm

[left hatch]

yah day 1 all you gotta do is the intro quest and the dailies

[strong forum]

like 2hr questline into vision into assault

[left hatch]

rest you can space out

[strong forum]

ye i have 4 hrs a day

thats alot of time to spend for :residentsleeper: stuff

[tame garden]

Gotta do intro on alts too to not fall behind on coalescing visions

[strong forum]

yup...

so i have to do everything 2 times

day1

[exotic spoke]

That’s it Nome. You do 2-2.5 hours of questing. You do one, and only one, horrific visions and then you fall into the routine of:
6-8 daily quests
1 daily Mini visions
1 weekly major assault
2 weekly minor assaults
Fill time with m+ / rare mob / event grinding / a little AP

[tame garden]

Yeah ima do 2 chars this patch

Heck the rest

[strong forum]

same

prot and vdh

[exotic spoke]

Same

Prot and prot

[strong forum]

already too much too do

[exotic spoke]

🙂

[strong forum]

[tame garden]

Prot and 🐻

[exotic spoke]

No but seriously

ONLY DO ONE HORRIFIC VISION TOMORROW

[strong forum]

i know

me no dumb

also its on wed

🙂

[exotic spoke]

EU getting old content

Apparently, I’m wrong for recommending people push past the first zone too

[left hatch]

🗞️

[strong forum]

well better rush ending insta

[left hatch]

how dare you incentivize optimal play

[strong forum]

to guarantee the cloak

[left hatch]

tbh its super boring and wasteful to not do more

[exotic spoke]

But that’s inefficient Nome

[left hatch]

once you have the restore orb

[exotic spoke]

And incredibly wasteful

The orb is super powerful

I’m not saying do what I’m doing with my group who have run it from scratch 3-4 times

I’m saying, explore cautiously, slowly; and be aware of your time and surroundings

[strong forum]

is there like any rewards besides the gem from mementos

[left hatch]

cosmetic stuff

mount and a backpack

[strong forum]

so no

[left hatch]

otherwise nu

[strong forum]

so youd be best to rush if you only care about cloak upgrade

[exotic spoke]

You can do both

[strong forum]

ye but what exactly am i missing out on, if i rush last boss

[exotic spoke]

Because the people that start pushing a little further each time will snowball ahead a lot faster and make it easier

Eventually the way to get cloak upgrades change and already doing that makes it easier

[strong forum]

is it truly only the socket i can buy

with mementos,

and i can only get mementos from visions

i have no idea besides the video i watched from method

[exotic spoke]

Basically that’s the easiest way to get momentos

You get minimal amounts from other things

[strong forum]

saying i can only get like 1k mementos, aka needing 25 visions to get 1 socket

[left hatch]

5 masks = 5-6 k

[exotic spoke]

You need to max out the talent tree first

[left hatch]

you can get a socket every other week

[exotic spoke]

You can end up getting 3 sockets every 5 weeks if I recall correctly

After you max out and assuming you complete 5 masks every time

[strong forum]

mh

[gaunt dawn]

1.6 weeks per socket

[exotic spoke]

Yup

[gaunt dawn]

Maths genius over here

AMA

[strong forum]

big smurt

[undone sun]

@lusty grotto Imao

[exotic spoke]

And maybe a little spare here and there

[left hatch]

well you can get more than 30k essences

and you get 5k coins minimum

so it def balances out to a bit more

[strong forum]

hmmm

[exotic spoke]

I think your goal for the tier also matters a lot in how you approach horrific visions

[lusty grotto]

found thyme

[strong forum]

well my goal for the tier is, dont raid, have fun in m+ , get good gear 🙂

[exotic spoke]

Like, method, Limit, other guilds competing for top 10 world spots should only go in and do last boss

[lusty grotto]

wheres your mac and me stuff now @warm plinth

[exotic spoke]

But if you’re not in that echelon and still in a mythic guild - id advise pushing cautiously

[lusty grotto]

needs more thyme quotes

ok guys

what do i need to do for the patch, too much boomer version of WoW

go @exotic spoke

[exotic spoke]

Hi Nim

2.5 hour questline day one

[lusty grotto]

keep it short, i have ADHD

[exotic spoke]

Do your first Horrific Vision and only one

[lusty grotto]

what is a horrific vision

[lusty grotto]

also why is late blue

[strong forum]

he big boi now

[exotic spoke]

It’s solo or group content to upgrade your legendary cloak and give a way to get sockets without rng

[lusty grotto]

oh right theres a leggo cloak

[exotic spoke]

And then you end up doing 3-4 horrific visions a week

And later in the first week you should do all horrific visions you can

[lusty grotto]

wait is it like daily stuff

ok i see i see

ty sir

not sure how much time ill have for it but i'll try

also nothing has changed right

[exotic spoke]

The horrific visions is 3-4 times a week and 5-6 week one.

[lusty grotto]

same ole BFA gearing/talenting/etc

[exotic spoke]

Honestly this patch doesn’t look like a ton of grinding like it was last tier for benthic

[lusty grotto]

i know theres some corruption shit now

[exotic spoke]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

well it should give me something to do

4 weeks tll BWL comes out

also Baron cursed so no 2nd binding means im not actively farming arcanite

im game

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto https://youtu.be/_BgdnsYhDDk

[lusty grotto]

wait no you should add father thyme there

hold on

how many views do you have

[warm plinth]

Like 120some

[lusty grotto]

nice

ima link this on my guild's discord

[warm plinth]

lol

[lusty grotto]

inc at least 25 more views lol

watch that cash roll in

[warm plinth]

Yeah man. Looking forward to that ad money

[lusty grotto]

ill take 10%

just venmo it, or paypal

ez

[sand egret]

ClassicChip!

[lusty grotto]

hey man

if someone had to be playing classic

it was you

(or late who was talking about it for so long)

yall cursed me

to a boomer life in a semi hardcore dad guild

[warm plinth]

I have more views from me blasting people off cliffs

[lusty grotto]

lmao

ah shit i cant tag cosmo he must have left skyhold

shit

[warm plinth]

Wow

[lusty grotto]

who did that

[warm plinth]

Ghost ping

You bastard

[lusty grotto]

what

there are like 4 cosmo imposters

[sand egret]

i cant be bothered playin that shit. Not with bear meta2020 comin up

[lusty grotto]

lul

🗞️ 🐻

oh shit marok stepped down

nooo lord merek

wheres that thunderclap pic hold on

remember merek

@fierce juniper

lord merek always in our hearts

[warm plinth]

Welcome to 2019 Nim

[sand egret]

Go easy on him, some say he’s still waiting on his swing timer to come around....

[analog zinc]

you think stealing bote will be any good during our burst?

[leaden grail]

i doubt it will be more dps than the new aoe taunt essence

overall that is

[sweet summit]

isnt there a channel time on the "steal essence" shit?

[analog zinc]

idk

do you have to cast it every time you use the stolen ess?

if so that kinda fucks it

[sweet summit]

yea, and you also get 30% longer cooldown on the essence you stole. so bote will be a ~2 min cd thing

[brittle owl]

2:36 min

[sweet summit]

90*1.3=117 seconds

[strong forum]

bros i got fang

i can pump now!

[exotic spoke]

50% extra damage for 6 seconds on a 2 minute cooldown....

2.5% damage increase.... thats minor

[strong forum]

but naowh played it in MDI it must be bis!

[exotic spoke]

And that’s not accounting for a loss in Vision major - which is getting buffed. Formless void is where it’s at as the new minor

MDI != live keys

[strong forum]

b-b-but

[exotic spoke]

No buts

[strong forum]

i like butts

[slim pier]

but

naowh played it in the MDI

[exotic spoke]

Yeah, ‘butts’ are allowed just not ‘buts’

And I saw a tank running with CnS major this week too in high keys

It works for him - doesn’t mean it’s best (though it seemed pretty smart imo)

For how his group was playing

[random hill]

so I have a question for the ptr prot wars here. how do u deal with the tank buster in the next affix +if anyone has any tips how restro shaman work better with a prot?

+a friend of mine (2300~ io) prot main told me in m+ macroing TC with IP while still proi shield block is a good qol, been doing it but idk if its a smart thing to do or just a lazy thing

[sweet summit]

whats IG? ignore pain?

[random hill]

ooops mb yea I meant ip

sorry

fixed it

[sweet summit]

nah, i would not recommend macroing TC and IP. and in most situations you prio SB over IP yea. only exceptions are 2 last bosses of ML, king mechagon p1, a pull with one void/tide emissary (i think thats all of them, even shadow of zul melees, but there you should prio IP over SB still)

[random hill]

hmm okay I see, ty for the info. didnt know about the last two bosses of ml so thats some great info for sure ty

[exotic spoke]

They do all magic damage and hurt... a lot

[random hill]

lol so sb on this two is just pointless eh, so all of their auto attacks are magic?

[sweet summit]

well, SB increases SS damage so its not entirely useless

but its useless mitigation wise

[random hill]

ooof ty for the info for sure! lol my healer would love me better on those fights now

[strong forum]

smh

[sweet summit]

im sure he will

[strong forum]

only broke 40k it cuz of spell reflect WA

😦

[sweet summit]

fuck rixxa, i dont like her

[exotic spoke]

Spell reflect WA is love

For tracking it

[sweet summit]

same

[left hatch]

@leaden grail the new Aoe taunt essence is shit

you DO NOT. want to use that for dps

even if you massively pull 1/2 the instance to work around it, 6s of 50% increased damage (on a 2m cd) is pretty low

the only time you'll wanna use the taunt is if yo'ure super undergeared on a skittish week

[astral hare]

what is the best spell reflect wa?

[left hatch]

Avatar gives you 20% dmg increase baseline plus another 28ish% AP increase from Master with 3 BoM (at 450 ilvl)

so yah... you're getting just as much from increased Ava uptime with much much better uptime than the 5% the taunt debuff will have

[mental scarab]

@strong forum WHAT SR WA 👀👀👀👀

[strong forum]

https://wago.io/IwPukH70B

1st boss Temple 17, 1mil from 1 cast

[undone sun]

hmmmm

[strong forum]

2k DPS in temple 17, 2.3k dps in WM 19

[astral hare]

@strong forum thanks

[tame garden]

This weakaura is great

Together we can get spell reflect nerfed

[undone sun]

👏

[strong forum]

yup thats pretty much what will happen

resulting from spreadin this WA

[deft vessel]

thoughts? I do lots of m+, but vers/mastery?

[sweet summit]

id use the crit one over the other for m+

[left hatch]

id use the crit one for both raid and M+ tbh, but i also have 3 stacks of BoM

[deft vessel]

I have two

[distant crystal]

i'd scrap the fatty hooves without a second thought

[deft vessel]

and I do plan on also raiding come new raid (though no clue if I would have replaced these by then, probably)

[fading relic]

Is there any kind of compiled list on a guide or something I may be unaware of that provides a list of abilities deflected by spell reflect? Playing an alt warr this tier for fun and want to maximize my use with it

I'm aware of some common ones like sea blast, but I don't expect I know them all

[tame garden]

Theres a list linked in #268491842637660160

[fading relic]

Wow I overlooked it

Ty I am big dumb

[lusty grotto]

@warm plinth did you get more views

oh hey i just realized by what you said that i havent been in this channel since the last decade

[undone sun]

haHAA

[final mist]

Same

Also way to go on whoever made that SR WA, can’t wait for that to be nerfed into the ground

👏👏👏

[sand egret]

now that's how you get Prot nerfed

I bet a BDK made that WA

[tame garden]

Or every other tank spec that would like to do competitive waycrest keys

Nvm one monk did a 23 tyr

[undone sun]

🙃

[analog swift]

did a 21 WC tyr but was very sketch as monk

had to go full offense, def a time to run conflict over ageis

[wheat talon]

I'm missing something, why would a weakaura that lets details see spell reflect get nerfed? just because people actually see the damage?

[undone sun]

yes

reflected damage is rather hidden, keeping rather big reflects under the radar

[wheat talon]

so uh, should we not use that WA?

[warm plinth]

Just use it. AFAIK it only causes your own Details to display it anyway right?

People are just saying SR will get nerfed if the WA gets widely used because people will actually see the broken shit we're capable of with SR

[wheat talon]

also, does anyone know why it often feels like I can't use shield block? sometimes in the middle of combat I'll be smashing shield block (with plenty of rage) and it feels like it doesn't go off until the gcd I'm on is over with

[oblique garnet]

If people have the WA its shown on details

[warm plinth]

Right, so the entire group would have to have the WA for it to show on everyone's right?

[wheat talon]

details syncs with your party, doesn't it?

[warm plinth]

And no I've never had that issue with Shield Block

[sand egret]

prob just short of rage or something due to hitting an IP or a revenge so it doesn't go off.

[wheat talon]

yeah, I'm fucking around with target dummies right now and I can't reproduce it

[sand egret]

multiple spenders off the GCD, pretty easy to hit one at the slightly wrong time

[warm plinth]

Yeah I cuck myself semi-frequently by hitting IP instead of SB

[sand egret]

yep, i'm speaking from experience myself

[warm plinth]

And then don't have the rage for IP

Er, for SB

[wheat talon]

yeah, I'm gonna assume it's that

[sand egret]

shit happens to me all the itme

[warm plinth]

And I'm like welp, either this IP is gonna be enough or I'm about to have floor pov

[wheat talon]

it's either that or my mouse can't take 2 inputs at the same time

[sand egret]

if you have one on a modifier you could get into that problem

happened to me when I had my SB bound to a shift mod

[analog zinc]

just pop a greater rage potion 🙂

[wheat talon]

it's on a extra mouse key that is binded to END

[sand egret]

maybe that mouse button is just going?

could totally be hardware thing? Try it with another button (my Naga mouse has that issue sometimes due to it getting up there in years)

[wheat talon]

nah, I'm testing it now and it's fine, I'm gonna assume that I'm just fucking up the rage usage and try to pay more attention to it in the future

oh shit

nope, you're right

the mouse button is going

I finally caught it

fuck

[warm plinth]

So it's just not doing anything when you press it sometimes?

[wheat talon]

yeah

or it flickers on and off

which is only sometimes enough to trigger a cast

[warm plinth]

Yikes, what mouse do you have?

[wheat talon]

steelseries rival 500

it has been the best mouse I've ever used up to now

[warm plinth]

Well if you like extra buttons, I definitely recommend the Logitech G600 (or I think the 602 is the wireless version if you're into that) for a replacement!

[analog swift]

^^

that's what I got

i love it

everything is on the mouse outside of like markers (1234) maps and mdt (shift 4)

your thumb takes a beating tho

definitely a few long days i had to stretch that boi out

[warm plinth]

Has like...what, up to 17 extra buttons or some shit

[analog swift]

mine has 12

not including the mouse buttons

[warm plinth]

Well there's 12 on the thumb, yeah

[analog swift]

but yeah

like 17 total

[warm plinth]

But then you got the 3 scroll clicks, the two below the wheel, and the one on the right

[analog swift]

having that extra button on the side as ppt

yeah

[warm plinth]

I love that button on the side; it's awesome

[wheat talon]

I'm so used to the layout of the buttons on the steelseries that I'll probably just buy a new one of the same

[analog swift]

i think i have those random ones as like bags n shit

[warm plinth]

I use it for my extra action button

[wheat talon]

it also has 12 buttons

[warm plinth]

Fair enough

[analog swift]

actually at first i hated by logitech because I had my keys binds
123
456
789
uio (or whatever)

[warm plinth]

I use the top one below the wheel for my focus macro but the bottom one is a little too awkward for me to hit it

[analog swift]

then i changed it to

456
123
789
uio

i just have modifieres for everything

my spam button (tclap/blackout strike or w/e) + shift is like ring (or something) and then plus alt is focus

then one button is slightly less spam, + shift = kick + alt = focus kick

[warm plinth]

I'm not a big modifier person but I do use shift+a button on mouse for focus kick

It's just more intuitive than having a separate binding for it

for me

[analog swift]

odd

yeah for me it's like

it's a slightly different kick

[warm plinth]

I don't use the mouse for my rotation though. Most of my base rotation is still on the keyboard. I'm just not comfortable using my mouse for everything.

[distant crystal]

i only use mouse buttons for mouseover binds 😮

[warm plinth]

I actually can't use the mouse for mouseover bindings because I can't help but move the mouse when I press them, especially in the heat of the moment

Guess it's just the way I grip the mouse or something

[distant crystal]

i get that sometimes for the side buttons

pushing my cursor right xD

[warm plinth]

Yeah, there were too many instances of me life cocooning the wrong person or fel emitter on the wrong person in Legion for me to do mouseovers on the mouse 😂

[weary thorn]

I use base, shift and when necessary ctrl modifiers in my macros

I have my 6 most used abilities on the 3 buttons my thumb usually rests on. Then I use the same spell types across classes to keep it easier on the muscle memory if I switch tanks

[sick sentinel]

I have shift and ctrl mods

but my keybinds are TRASH

like, I could TOTALLY use zxcv for spells but I don't

[warm plinth]

Kaege are you stalking me in Gally 😠

[sick sentinel]

I legit just opened the confession channel to see what it is

[exotic spoke]

Welcome to Gally Kaege

[analog zinc]

ew gallywix

[weary thorn]

Seen that video of the dh that zoomed off the edge of the mechagon platform during a carry. And then died to trash mobs the next run (was a hurtz locker achiev buy I think)

Poor guy

[warm plinth]

Yeah, that was a feelsbad lol

[weary thorn]

Well we saw the vid posted in our guild discord first, then one of the guys that runs in gally from guild saw him get striked for the second death

[chilly brook]

Ngl I'm really at a loss as to how people think AMDs software is bad

Granted I've only been using an amd card for like 2 days but I love their interface and the app they offer

[exotic spoke]

What’s wrong with Gallywix, or any of the boosting services for that matter?

And yeah Major that was funny lol

[weary thorn]

It was tragic lol

[chilly brook]

Someone was complaining about boosting?

[exotic spoke]

It was great content

“Ewww Gallywix”

[chilly brook]

Like the only problem with boosting is that it cheapens ilvl as a metric of player ability

That being said

Ilvl is already a horrible metric

[exotic spoke]

People always get carried so... ^^ what you said 🙂

[weary thorn]

If you do something well, never do it for free

[chilly brook]

Hence why io and logs exist

[exotic spoke]

It pays the bills. 500k a period in gold is my average and that’s with minimal boosting

[broken isle]

Ouch

[exotic spoke]

Can’t wait for new tier prices

Missing 22 UR last night made me sad :(. I wanted to do a 23

[broken isle]

Boosting is fine with me it just floods general chat

[chilly brook]

I mean maybe if blizz actually did what they said they were going to do

At the tail end of legion

And add a boosting category if LFG

[oblique garnet]

Just play on a realm that has basically 0 general chat so theres no advertising 🙂

[chilly brook]

But uhhh

[weary thorn]

That's where I'm at, dead realm dead gen chat

[chilly brook]

When they're putting gags on people for posting in lfg for boost runs ofc general is gonna get flooded

[broken isle]

Blizz already sells gold might as well sell m+10s lol

[analog zinc]

gallywix is just kinda not my style compared to other seller discs

[chilly brook]

Well blizz apparently has no problem with it

[analog zinc]

everyones so anti-social & competitive there

plus you need like fucking 1900 to sell 10s lmfao

[chilly brook]

But they said you can't post in lfg at the end of legion and that they were adding a tab for sell runs in lfg but that was almost 2 years ago.....

[broken isle]

My 3/8 friends selling keys for the cheap

I would want 1900 tho if I knew nothing about m+

[chilly brook]

1900 to sell 10s omegalul

[broken isle]

Gramma doesn't kno what 1900 is

[oblique garnet]

I mean 1900 is really low for sales

Is that NA ?

[analog zinc]

other discs are like 1500 for 10s, 2k for 15s

gallywix is 1900 for 10s

[oblique garnet]

yeah thats na

[warm plinth]

Gallywix isn't 1900 for 10s

[chilly brook]

1900 honestly isn't that low for 10s

[oblique garnet]

because eu is like 2.4k to get in just to boost xd

[broken isle]

EU is higher?

[analog zinc]

it was a few months ago

does EU have more high level players or something?

[chilly brook]

10s are ez pz

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[warm plinth]

Yeah Gally is like 2100 for 10s, 2500 for 15s and 2800 for high keys

[analog zinc]

that might dilute the buyer to seller ratio

[broken isle]

I'd imagine so

[analog zinc]

leading to higher io requirements & competition

jesus 2100 to sell 10s now what the fuck lmao

[chilly brook]

2100 to sell 10s is pepega

[warm plinth]

I mean, not really

[oblique garnet]

I mean youd be surprised how many depletes NA still has LUL

[gaunt dawn]

shit

i cant sell 10s

[broken isle]

Possible to boost 2 people at same time?

[analog zinc]

yea zig

[warm plinth]

Yeah, they do that sometimes

[broken isle]

Nyah last boss drops a mount I bet

[analog zinc]

3rd point

[broken isle]

Argus sales all over again

[autumn pendant]

@analog zinc check pins bro

[gaunt dawn]

@broken isle AoTC gives a mount. Mythic has mount drop.

[autumn pendant]

@analog zinc oh sorry it wasnt pinned here , just check pins in arms or fury

its fake

[analog zinc]

shh dont tell anyone

[broken isle]

Paragon reset u trying to scare people man

[autumn pendant]

@raven ore probably give that warning ehre too 😛

[tame garden]

Delete this

[warm plinth]

Just read the actual blue post. Don't ever take screenshots seriously lol

[analog zinc]

i need a new pfp

not feeling steve

[warm plinth]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/what-to-expect-in-visions-of-n’zoth-and-season-4/405981/1

Same post, just without the photoshop

[autumn pendant]

if blizzard did that , half of population would gather pitchforks and stones

[broken isle]

Gl with ur assault box corrupted gear

[autumn pendant]

and stompede through blizzard

[oblique garnet]

I would be ok with paragon rep reset

[chilly brook]

X to doubt

[tame garden]

I would not

[oblique garnet]

Seeing as i have 0 paragons on my monk 8)

[chilly brook]

People are still playing bfa

[warm plinth]

I don't think anyone would have an issue with it, assuming they hadn't already done all the work for it

[chilly brook]

So I doubt that change would do anything

[analog zinc]

i've been farming WQs for weeks

& doing actual quests

[warm plinth]

Like if they gave sufficient notice it would be fine lol

[analog zinc]

just to get 9 paragon caches for the patch

[autumn pendant]

@oblique garnet why should we suffer for your inconvinience

[broken isle]

U remember when people saved caches for legion leggos

[mortal brook]

9?

😮

[oblique garnet]

Because id rather do islands than wqs

[analog zinc]

didn't have time to get 14

didn't want to do mechagon either

[autumn pendant]

I would rather die

but oh well

[warm plinth]

I'd rather do islands than WQs too tbh lol

[gaunt dawn]

id embrace a paragon reset

🙂

[autumn pendant]

3 chars with 16 paragons

[gaunt dawn]

means less degen behaviour

[autumn pendant]

I think im dead inside

[warm plinth]

I'm just gonna get paid to grind islands in 8.3

[oblique garnet]

Islands are the best content in bfa change my mind

[warm plinth]

Ez

[tame garden]

I'm fine with it if they tell us before we grind the caches

[gaunt dawn]

i actually enjoy pvp islands

🙂

[analog zinc]

i started the grind with most factions in honoured & a few revered

[mortal brook]

who's paying to grind islands

[broken isle]

Islands are a tropical getaway

[autumn pendant]

@oblique garnet

[warm plinth]

Literally everyone and their brother as soon as the patch hits

[tame garden]

The move is selling islands

Get paid to farm ap

[warm plinth]

I make more money from selling islands than M+ boosts sometimes.

[analog zinc]

real shit?

[mortal brook]

hopefully the island pool isnt shit next week. inb4 rotting mire with mass disorients

[broken isle]

So um what if blizz retunes islands tho

[oblique garnet]

Island boost cut is better than m+ atm anyways

[analog zinc]

i bought some pvp islands before on my fresh shaman

i was helping as hard as I could & it took us 3 tries to win

[warm plinth]

Yikes

[tame garden]

Lmao

[warm plinth]

If it took me 3 tries to win a PvP island I would quit the game

[oblique garnet]

Also its only 140 hours of islands to get 80 neck for hc week

[analog zinc]

we had I think an hdh & a really shitty prot war

[warm plinth]

Like you get trolls every now and then or the actual good PvPers, but losing twice in a row is a feat

[broken isle]

Hey man that's 50 conquest

[analog zinc]

why would you sell pvp island carries on a pwar

like do you not have

any other tank

[warm plinth]

Yeah I'm not gonna lie but prot war would not be my first choice for PvP islands

I like prot pally myself

[broken isle]

Pwar worst tank in the islands meta?

[warm plinth]

VDH wouldn't be bad either

[analog zinc]

vdh bis

maybe ziggy

dk pretty bad too

just because of shit dmg

[warm plinth]

Yeah, DK isn't great

I'm not comfortable with VDH though so I play my prot pally for island boosts

Basically invulnerable

[broken isle]

Takes a lotta dmg to keep threat on the entire island's mobs

[oblique garnet]

??? How is pwar bad island tank?

Im doing 2.5min islands?

[tame garden]

Prot

[analog zinc]

1 CC & you die

[warm plinth]

Idk, I would love to see a video of you doing them because every prot war I've done them with has had to do tiny pulls (relatively) or they fall over

[chilly brook]

I mean

[stark scroll]

The best way to win a pvp island is by avoiding pvp though

[oblique garnet]

No you definitely dont die

[chilly brook]

You get ccd as any tank and you're probably screwed in islands wadu

[oblique garnet]

Only way you can die on islands if you pull million snakes and stand in their frontal

Rest dont do damage

[analog zinc]

100% slow -> 8 stun

[warm plinth]

Eh, not really. I mean the only really bad CCs are the long ass disorients or the pulling basilisks, which is your bad anyway

[analog zinc]

chain disoriented for 15 seconds

[chilly brook]

And you would die as any tank in that situation

[analog zinc]

no

[warm plinth]

Not as a prot pally

[analog zinc]

divine shield 🙂

[warm plinth]

I just bubble if that happens

But honestly like, if you get hit by anything but a slow, you're just standing there

You should be moving around the pack to avoid the vast majority of the CC

[chilly brook]

I mean honestly needing a bubble for doing islands is pepega

[warm plinth]

Who said you need it?

[chilly brook]

Just like playing paladin

😛

[broken isle]

Just pull the visions like islands ez

[oblique garnet]

Like legit the only secret to doing islands is just knowing what to pull

[chilly brook]

Or just pull it all and win 🙃

[oblique garnet]

Like you dont pull the pirates that cast the 8 second blind that doesnt break from damage

[mortal brook]

snake dmg was nerfed a little while back

[broken isle]

Man 2.5min islands

[oblique garnet]

You also dont pull frost elementals

[chilly brook]

I just run around the map and pull a bunch of crap and then aoe it down

[broken isle]

Tell me more of these island secrets pls

I'll be in them all week

[sick sentinel]

use brain

[oblique garnet]

You also go anima>aegis>cns

For islands

[mortal brook]

stockpile 100 flashfire brews

ez

[oblique garnet]

If you have flashfires and firemage

Easiest islands of your life

[sick sentinel]

thinking if double tank and say 1 pull left 1 pull right and meet at middle and 1 rabbit charms would be as efficient

win in 1 pull

[mortal brook]

even a dps with barding would work

[sick sentinel]

oh barding

yeah

[mortal brook]

esp on maps like snowblossom

[warm plinth]

Yeah legit flashfire is so much fun

What does rabbit charm do

[sick sentinel]

I inted and didn't buy them

rabbitcharm basically gives perma stealthj

[warm plinth]

Also yeah, don't pull the unstable typhoons; that's a stupid idea 😬

[sick sentinel]

so you can pick up stuff without getting in combat with mobs

[warm plinth]

Frostbolts and that wave that roots you for an eternity

[sick sentinel]

and you can mount

[mortal brook]

3rd person with rabbit's is solid

might be on vendor next week?

[warm plinth]

But why would you use rabbit charm as the tank? Since you're pulling

Or you mean for the other two

[mortal brook]

2 ppl to mass pull/kill, one person w/ foot to clicky shit

[tame garden]

3rd person is afk on boat paying you to do the island 😉

[warm plinth]

Yeah man, I only got wo people

[mortal brook]

ez

[warm plinth]

two people*

Though I usually do have my DPS loot while I'm pulling

So it'd still be nice to have

[left hatch]

are emmisaries being reset?
I can never remember if new patches give us a new batch of 3 or not

[mortal brook]

oh, next week's vendor is garbo

heck

[warm plinth]

Gross

Idk the spyglass is alright

The other two are garbage though

[mortal brook]

pullin the whole thing anyways tho

[warm plinth]

I would love to see a video of someone pulling the whole thing tbh because it just doesn't seem worth it in a PvP island. All it takes is for you to come across the other faction and they're gonna steal half your pull

I know, because I win that way sometimes 😂

[mortal brook]

use bandages, makes sure the tag is yours

[chilly brook]

Guys 'member when they pitched island expeditions as an iteration on the dungeon formula?

[warm plinth]

Yeah but I mean while you're pulling you can't bandage :p

[mortal brook]

that new island brawl is gonna be a hot mess, too

[wheat talon]

Is there a consensus on how good the engineering helmets are for prot? I'll be heroic raiding and m+ up to 15ish, and I maintain azerite for all 3 specs, so I won't have a huge amount of 475 azerite for quite a while

[oblique garnet]

Engi helm is decent

[chilly brook]

Good enough that you'll want it until you get something better

[oblique garnet]

Not ideal for m+

[wheat talon]

What I'm really asking is, how bad is it that it doesn't have bastion of might

[chilly brook]

Not very

Bastion is nice

But it's not required

Ilvl>traits

[warm plinth]

Ideally for M+ you would eventually replace it with something with Bastion, but it's a decent helm.

[chilly brook]

Except for maybe your 1st DC

Then sacrifice like 1 ilvl tier

[wheat talon]

I've been running 3x bastion for the whole time I've been doing anything hard on this character, I don't really know how much of an impact it has made

[chilly brook]

Not a huge one

[sick sentinel]

eng helm okay

[warm plinth]

I mean, your damage and crit block chance goes up with each trait but it's not going to be gamebreaking if you have 2 instead of 3

[chilly brook]

At least not enough that you'll be hurting

[sick sentinel]

you can be using it for most of the tier and b e fine

[chilly brook]

You'll notice it mostly in your aoe damage output tbh

[sick sentinel]

my damage had a very small upgrade when I went from 2 to 3 because eng traits GOOD when they proc during avatar

[wheat talon]

Relational gizmo is the preferred trait, right?

[sick sentinel]

When using Lucid dreams major and you're opening into a pack, do you go lucid -> avatar -> demo for maximum rage gain?

or avatar -> lucid into demo

for insurance

[chilly brook]

You will literally waste rage if you lucid ava demo

Are you even pulling large enough to where you even want to use lucid??

[sick sentinel]

Ye we do 4pack ML stuff and 3/4 packs freehold stuff

probably going to try a 5 pack in motherload after first boss

as the 4pack with just vop and no procs literally just got melted and I took no damage

and you wouldn't lose rage, lucid dmo is 80 and avatar is 40, you use shield block with the 40 you get after you demo so you don't lose any

you'll get 90 rage and you IP with it

[amber cedar]

Hi, when I have to take lucid dream or VoP pls ? (new on war)

[mortal brook]

Vop in almost every scenario, lucid when you can thoroughly plan and account for its every use on very high key pushes

[weary drum]

Also new to warr, apart from timing sb so it’s up only when I’m being hit, do a few seconds in between sb charges matter? Or do I always to to be covered, with last stand making up for no sb?

[warm plinth]

If you're not gonna die in the second or two between casts, it's fine. But obviously you don't want downtime if it's like...a big pack or dangerous mobs

If it's dangerous mobs that can be stunned you can shockwave as it drops to buy yourself a couple seconds

[weary drum]

Makes perfect sense, ty!

[warm plinth]

You can always use Shield Wall to cover as well. It's up pretty frequently

[sterile mantle]

will tomorrow M+ cahnce have chance to titanforge or corrupt?

[sick sentinel]

No

It's regular loot

It's just questline and ap

[sterile mantle]

so titan forge?

[sick sentinel]

yes

[amber cedar]

Yes

[sterile mantle]

thoguht so wanted to make sure

[amber cedar]

Echoing void will still the best for mm+ damage ?

[left hatch]

its not bad but not the best anymore

tbd whats best

[amber cedar]

Ok thanks

[sick sentinel]

anybody have the issue where you get GCD capped on IP whenever you use lucid?

Like I spam IP refresh and shield block but it just doesn't register I'm doing that

after I demo/ avatar and get lucid procs etc

[strong forum]

Welcome to using Lucid major

Too much rage to efficiently spam

[sick sentinel]

I thought IP wasn't gcd locked though

[strong forum]

Also SB and Ignore Pain are both off the GCD so no idea what you're talking about

[sick sentinel]

so why is locked with lucid

[strong forum]

IP has a 2sec CD in itself

[sick sentinel]

ahh so you cant just spam ip

[strong forum]

Not 3 times a second no

It's not like iron fur

[sick sentinel]

Feels bad

[strong forum]

Na, using Lucid Major and not making proper use of it, ultimately wasting what you picked it for

Is bad

[sick sentinel]

What?

[strong forum]

And now a shitton of people are lusting after it cuz they see some streamers use it

Thinking its the go-to now

[sick sentinel]

It's not a too go now?

...

I'm using it for very specific situations

Like lusting a 5 pull on motherload

4 pull went fine

Don't assume I don't know that's not to go and very nice

niche*

[strong forum]

You mean the one after 1st boss

[sick sentinel]

That's included yes

But there are 3 pack pulls

before first

2pack/3 pack depending on what I'm pulling

[analog swift]

sure

but why is lucid better than vop there?

lucid< vop for the entire dungeon

[sick sentinel]

Because the straight avatar into avatar, with leech and vers procs

[analog swift]

if you NEED lucid for that first pull

then maybe ok

but if you don't it's a waste

[sick sentinel]

Well whenever I'm using lucid

I'm pulling big

I'm not wasting it though?

[analog swift]

if you don't NEED lucid

to do the pulls

[sick sentinel]

It helps

extremely

[warm plinth]

If you don't need lucid to do the pull, you really shouldn't use it though

[analog swift]

it's a waste of a major essence

that's the point

vop will ebat lucid throughout the rest of the dungeon

[sick sentinel]

I know, I would never be able to do the pulls im' doing

[analog swift]

ok

[strong forum]

Whenever im seeing naowh not use lucid for like 6min straight I just cringe so hard

[sick sentinel]

without lucid

[analog swift]

so is pulling that extra pack

worth the dps loss for the rest of the dungeon?

[sick sentinel]

naowh probably thinks double DC is better than MS

also

[warm plinth]

Yeah I don't really understand not using it for that long. Like even if you don't need it, you obviously aren't gonna need it for a while so fuckin use it XD

[strong forum]

He isn't using double DC

[sick sentinel]

I've seen top M+ people do that and I always get so confused

and they use brace and no MS

[analog swift]

now nike

if you are

pulling around lucid

and the entire groups 2 min cds

(which tbh are a bit rare with beam/bote being 1:30)

then MAYBE

eh

yeah

i could see it better

but what 2 mins are you pulling it around?

font + combust

[sick sentinel]

DH doesn't have cds, besides meta but that justgives more consistent damage. rogue also doesn't have cds

[analog swift]

ok 1

[sick sentinel]

and I use ret pal

[analog swift]

ok

[sick sentinel]

in my group

vision procs

wings cd