😮
#protection
warm plinth
exotic spoke
full cloud
Ignore Pain doesn't scale with health, right?
undone sun
Correct
full cloud
Thank ya :)
undone sun
AP and verse
full cloud
Awesome
tame garden
And how hard you smash the button as well
exotic spoke
Doesn’t it also scale with weapon damage?
warm plinth
Yeah
It's the same formula as other damage abilities
Er, as damage abilities*
It's like (AP + WDPS * 6) * Vers or some shit like that.
Quality information that you should obviously take as 100% fact
😏
left hatch
Maybe hes born with it, maybe hes (should be) stormforged
exotic spoke
He mains DH
warm plinth
What does that matter sir
left hatch
^
left hatch
blatant classism
sand egret
#NotMyStormforged
tame garden
Wow riki
exotic spoke
I believe this is the Warrior discord and this is the Protection channel
tame garden
How dare you
undone sun
Hmm
empty nacelle
i didnt know discord could crit
sand egret
he didn't throw you under the bus
warm plinth
Me neither dude
sand egret
he drove the bus
left hatch
its ok gash #NotAllWarriors
warm plinth
😂
undone sun
:mwahi:
tame garden
:unculturedswine:
undone sun
:late:
exotic spoke
:notriki:
undone sun
Who
exotic spoke
warm plinth
I thought we were cool Riki
ionic fern
So every time someone says something stupid i can use that.
undone sun
Prot may be, but you aren't
exotic spoke
Yes Speg we are
undone sun
Gottem
exotic spoke
Gottem
warm plinth
RIP Speg
slim pier
Gottem
tame garden
😭
warm plinth
Don't worry Speg, I'll come to your funeral.
exotic spoke
What loot spec to open my chest in when I get home? 
Do I go for the warforge Shield or do I go for geti?
sand egret
Dont worry Speg, we'll see who's laughing after bear meta 8.3 comes into full swing
tame garden
Go for geti @exotic spoke
exotic spoke
Will do Speg
I’ll live the meme dream
And I welcome bears to rejoin their tanking brethren
mystic whale
so... warriors are back to being near bottom of the barrel in Nyalotha ?
exotic spoke
No
slim pier
lmao
exotic spoke
The people making the prediction for tank meta are:
A) wrong more often than they are right
B) are looking at and overly focusing on the magic damage component of the fight while ignoring the physical damage
C) likely looking at it from a view different than what most people see when raiding
Prot will be perfectly viable for the content in raid and amazing in m+
raw pier
is warrior harder to learn than other classes?
sand egret
not particularly
raw pier
I find paladin more forgiving
sand egret
gotta think a tad differently but overall not any more than most classes
mystic whale
might need some weakauras to track some uptimes but overall its not too hard
sand egret
just gotta be a bit more proactive in your tanking compared to a paladin, due to lack of self-recovery tools
mystic whale
its definitely more preventive than reactive
sand egret
but that's more a state-of-mind change than some complex gameplay thing
exotic spoke
Astrozombie, regarding magic damage, we have some very nice cooldowns that help mitigate magic damage and our cooldowns are pretty short.
Combined with the fact that you are only tanking part of the time while boss tanking (usually) it means youll have CDs when actively tanking
wary lantern
i always wanted to try swapping from war to pala
so i leveled him, realised i didnt have any essences lol
and never logged onto him again
tame garden
Very sad story
raw pier
Me too, started leveling a pally and a warrior
Pally easy but boring
Leveled and geared the war, came back to pally, no essences -> back to warrior
wary lantern
i feel you
i have leveled every char, and yet i can play only war 😄
the moment i want to swap, i realise i dont have essences and i am done
raw pier
To me it’s the leap, cannot play a class with no jump and charge
wary lantern
to me, the problem is myselfň
i just cannot force myself to do the chore of farming them again 😮
sand egret
once you get used to higher mobility classes, playing a lesser one just feels awful
picked up my DK for like half a second...hit Death's Advance....and was like fuuuck this
sand egret
Big true
lucid dew
how are new raid trinkets looking
tame garden
Hated grinding essences on my war cuz of this
warm plinth
The only thing I want to grind is @outer dew
left hatch
they're still tuning them so tbd.... but theres one off i think Ra-Den, that gives you an on use absorb that scales with corruption resistance, once you get around 40 corruption res it gives you a 400k absorb on a 1m cd
and the n theres a 3ppm rezans trinket offa wrathion which is ❤️
warm plinth
Oh shit. Double entendre.
humble crow
is there some secret to prot warrior i'm missing
tame garden
Yes
humble crow
like i'm not hitting the dps numbers raid bots says i should be
and it's really bothering me
warm plinth
What kind of sim are you running?
humble crow
dungeon slice and patchwerk
exotic spoke
Dungeon slice is blah
warm plinth
Dungeon slice is pretty bad tbh
tame garden
Have you tried running your logs through wowanalyzer which now supports prot thanks to the wowAnal man
humble crow
no I haven't
warm plinth
Patchwerk should be accurate though. But keep in mind that’s full uptime on the boss.
exotic spoke
Patchwerk is pure optimization. If you don’t have the same kill times your dps will be off. If you don’t have all of the buffs your dps will be off
warm plinth
Which depending on what you’re doing may not be the case
humble crow
m+
mostly
but like i'll end a fight at 16k and it says i should be closer to 21
that's like a 25% disparity
exotic spoke
It’s hard to sim dps for m+.
humble crow
and it makes me feel bad
left hatch
16k is pretty low for st
wary lantern
doesnt it sim like Perfect dps? all buffs, bl etc?
warm plinth
Depends on what you set it to
exotic spoke
We’d have to see lots really. But yeah that’s low and yeah all buffs etc as default
humble crow
the basic rotation
is avatar, demoralizishing shout
thudner clap, filler with slam or revenge
humble crow
no?
humble crow
okay i didn't realize that
warm plinth
Can’t really go by what you say you’re doing though. I have a friend who plays prot paladin and insists he presses things on CD when in reality he’ll go 2 minutes without touching shield of the righteous or 20+ seconds without casting Judgment
tame garden
Keep in mind patchwerk sim is full buffs + lust + max uptime
Do you see these conditions when you're hitting 16k on an m+ boss
ionic fern
What numbers are you hitting? Do you have a log showing your rotation?
warm plinth
Logs are important. They very clearly show what you're doing wrong.
humble crow
I haven't logged since I came back, i just came back like 2 days ago
left hatch
tldr sims are best case scenarios with perfect play
humble crow
from a 6 month break
left hatch
y'oull always fall short
tame garden
Always log
left hatch
you're better off looking at logs/wowanalyzer etc to improve your dps than fretting over not meeting sims
warm plinth
I recommend Loggerhead. It asks you when you enter any dungeon the first time after installing if you want to log that particular difficulty, and then remembers that setting. So just say no to the normal mythic when it asks, and say yes when it asks about "Challenge Mode" (in every dungeon) and it'll just automatically log every m+ you do
tame garden
Btw you should be able to meet sims or get pretty close
Sims is perfect play with average luck
With good luck you can beat the sims
warm plinth
Well that's just the uploader. You can manually start them if you prefer. Addons like Loggerhead just take the memory part out of it. It'll log automatically every time you do an M+ instead of having to remember to type /combatlog before and after.
warm plinth
Make sure you upload like every time you run dungeons or once a week (depending on how often you do dungeons) because if you let the file get too big you have to split it, which is kinda annoying
warm plinth
We look forward to it
tame garden
Do you remember rule 2
warm plinth
Uh, it was something like: When throwing the orb in the ToS snake room, the most likely person to catch it is the curtain hanging from the ceiling.
tame garden
🙌
outer dew
@warm plinth I've been grinding exp on rats
I'm on 4 kills
How much exp do I need to level up?
warm plinth
7
warm plinth
Oh, @tame garden Rule #1 was: When someone gets shrunk in Mechagon, you step on them.
tame garden
🐻 👍
warm plinth
I never killed Mekkatorque so I didn't know he shrank people
Rule #4 is up now though 😄
warm plinth
I didn't enter a single raid until I bought two heroic boosts this tier
tame garden
warm plinth
Lol
wooden radish
@ionic fern WOAH WOAH WOAH WOAH
why are you a theorycrafter
what happened to your RP title
this is a demotion
i demand an investigation
tame garden
warm plinth
He's been a TC for forever
warm plinth
Like months
exotic spoke
I still ❤️ you mwahi
warm plinth
❤️
wooden radish
@ionic fern is 500 expulism enough for 8.3 or should i get more ?
livid kite
500? What did I miss? I have...40 or something 😛
limber pagoda
so i got a 455 piece of geare but when i top gear it my 445 with socket beats it! should i equip it the 455 or stay with the 445 socket?
wooden radish
item level for survival / defensive gear
sim for DPS
armor/stam/str outweight a single socket defensively
limber pagoda
kool
undone sun
@warm plinth not my stormforged
wooden radish
@undone sun for stormforged again
undone sun
👀
sick sentinel
this tbh
undone sun
Shhh that's what ruined my chance for valk last time
wooden radish
i thought that was merek
undone sun
🙊
warm plinth
Being SF ruined your chances at valk? o_O
wooden radish
i know why he didn't get Valk
undone sun
the meme got old
exotic spoke
Rip
undone sun
Who
tame garden
#ghash2020
exotic spoke
Look, I appreciate the vote of confidence but I don’t think that’s happening any time soon for reasons.
I’m happy to continue to help out as is and just answer questions 🙂
lilac bough
This week seems like an easy push week right?
grim skiff
What are affixes?
sand egret
for most: yes
for my team who sits in damage at every given moment: no
Sang/Greivous/Fort
abstract geyser
Until rank 5 of the cloak do we just have to go in and kill the main boss and ignore everything else? Or should we be venturing out to do an objective at early cloak levels for the horrific visions?
sand egret
I'm prob going to venture out for the essence stuff
pretty sure the tied essence r2/3 requires you do do some 'splorin
warm plinth
Might as well try for some mementos but you should make sure you have time left to kill the boss
exotic spoke
Grievous is hard on healers. sanguine really slows things down and some of the dungeons suck.
It’s not the worst push week, but it’s definitely not great imo
grim skiff
Next week (teeming+volcanic) seems much better
exotic spoke
@abstract geyser I would say that every time you go into the Horrific Visions you need to kill the final boss. Don’t try to do other objectives if you don’t think there will be time to also kill the final boss
That said, purely killing the final boss is inefficient. You do need to maximize corrupted memento (the currency for upgrading your characters in horrific vision) gain so you can unlock sockets sooner and make progressing through the events easier
ember arrow
@ionic fern demoted for being too bad SF, still a Theorycrafter, shows the quality of those Kappa
exotic spoke
@grim skiff if you’re going for purely pushing IO it’s not. Because that’s when patch releases and I believe new k values and dungeon scaling takes effect
Also, season will likely after this reset and new “post season” starts
abstract geyser
Thanks @exotic spoke that is what I was looking for 🙂
grim skiff
@exotic spoke thought that was one more week? Maybe I’m wrong tho
abstract geyser
I believe they said Season 3 is over on patch day.
exotic spoke
It takes about 2-3 hours to do the quest chain to unlock the horrific visions @abstract geyser If you have extra time and want to see it I’d advise checking out PTR. I also think we (prot warriors) should group up for them
exotic spoke
I believe so and I think it starts on patch day and if so, then you’ll get a much lower key from your cache that week
tame garden
50% stronger tides slapping your ass
exotic spoke
Jokes on you - couldn’t block them anyway
abstract geyser
And its likely that the ilvl reward will be capped at a certain key level
wooden radish
@exotic spoke reasons? care to share? im always open to drama
abstract geyser
during the patch week
junior ivy
tame garden
aww
exotic spoke
Awww
signal plover
That's a cat
exotic spoke
It’s better than some theseus. Healers just hate it
tame garden
Fine by me i ain't no healer
exotic spoke
Sounds like a healing problem amirite
Though, the other consideration is - it’s the last week of the season.
undone sun
@junior ivy cute dog pics
inland mesa
Time left for the last boss in heroic vision?...is there a timer or WA to track that?
exotic spoke
It’s your sanity level
There’s a resource bar that pops up. Decreases over time based on what zone you’re in, what abilities hit you, and your cloak level (which reduces sanity drain rate)
tawdry matrix
Can someone explane why CoF is good for m+? im new to tanking and only got CoF and anima rank3, and aegis, vision memory rank 2. What should i play?!
inland mesa
Don't you get 3 refills? So you could explore for two and then rush the boss with your last one?
distant crystal
exotic spoke
@tawdry matrix id use vision major, aegis, and if that’s all you have given your options, CoF
Like waat said
warm plinth
He has Lucid in there too, just hiding
exotic spoke
Eventually you get those @inland mesa but you can’t use the orbs to refill sanity while In combat
If paanjo has lucid then vision major aegis and lucid
Also, you can’t use the orb to refill sanity while in combat (as I said Above) BUT you can drop the orb and pull things into it so you’re killing while you replenish your sanity
inland mesa
Do you get orbs first run or is that research?
exotic spoke
It’s research. You can get it before second run.
If you do it right you can get the second talent before the second run too. And if you really min max you can get at least 3 talents maybe 4
Since you start to get corrupted mementos from other shit after your first run
I’m counting down the days until there’s content worth doing (that I enjoy. There’s plenty of content - just not what I’m into)
tame garden
Go horde and do m+ with me
exotic spoke
Not enough time to get what I need and not transferring again for now. If things change you’ll be the first to know
tame garden
exotic spoke
sorry. I really don’t want to maintain three characters let alone 2
wooden radish
?
exotic spoke
Lol I’ve never been on whisperwind
exotic spoke
That’s one of my Warriors
That’s the second one I have to maintain
The first one is NotRiki
Since some bastard took Riki on sargeras
tame garden
😂
exotic spoke
No, that’s a friend of mine who I used to do arenas with back in tbc / wotlk
He made the alt then and plays it from time to time
sick sentinel
So many rikis
wooden radish
sick sentinel
This is second best push week of the season
exotic spoke
Disagree
sick sentinel
I agree
exotic spoke
But that’s opinion and it’s allowed
pallid berry
What is this week? I’m on vacay til thurs
sick sentinel
^
pallid berry
That’s more annoying, oh enchanted is big pog
I assume folks have had the convos already about the new essances?
wooden radish
yes
pallid berry
The quest line one seems pretty good
exotic spoke
@wooden radish I’ll save you some effort:
wooden radish
whats up with 2 warriors
sick sentinel
Grievous on fort is basically nothing
wooden radish
both DID
sick sentinel
You just fish feast every pull that does a lot of damage
exotic spoke
They are the only characters I have at max level.
It’s complicated. But now NotRiki was on bloodhoof as “Riki” and current “Riki” was horde as Probablyriki
Guild died - no longer mythic. But going to do heroic. Some people I’ve known for 15 years still there and I want to hang out and BS with them etc
So, Riki went to Sargeras for mythic progression next tier to help with m+ pushing and had to go to NotRiki
While Probablyriki went to alliance and became Riki to reserve my name since day 1 vanilla and also to bullshit with friends
And DID > * imo for my playstyle and what I need
winged grail
DID is BiS 🥰
signal plover
Crystal clear
tame garden
Shoulda just raided heroic with them on riki
winged grail
Just wish I could find myself in the middle of mob packs
exotic spoke
Yeah, they didn’t want that and it made sense.
Primarily because then they felt like they’d be getting carried as I outgeared them
And I didn’t care, it’s only gold
exotic spoke
^^
Cute goblin Probablyriki will make her return don’t you worry.
But, it’ll take time and probably use a boost from purchasing shadowlands
bold mirage
Riki probably should have come to my guild on Sargeras. Too bad you don't raid Tuesdays
exotic spoke
You should have told me about that prior to me joining Vision 😛
bold mirage
Damn bro all the old school Revolution people are in my guild from Bloodhoof. You would have felt right at home
Most of those guus are just casuals now though
exotic spoke
Rip
bold mirage
Well at least now when you need a new guild on Sageras you can join Vengeance and you and I can old school 2 warrior tank like the badasses we are
exotic spoke
Yeah you right
exotic spoke
I thought about going Mechagnome but I just can’t do it. I don’t like their legs
tame garden
Ugliest race
chilly brook
@exotic spoke nice druid
exotic spoke
Thanks! Druids at 110 and is staying there. Dk is at like 111 or 112 lol
chilly brook
I need to find a legit 2s partner for my guardian
manic scaffold
Is there a point to do the keystone since the patch is next week
exotic spoke
Keep your keystone as high as possible going into the next patch
And to get more AP from your chest
sick sentinel
I’ll key your stone
rose agate
Guys what should your avatar uptime look like for mythic+
winged grail
You should basically never delay it by more than 5/10sec unless VoP procs
ripe maple
Vop proc doesn’t extend avatar like dh’s meta?
broken isle
sick sentinel
just skip it wdym
@ripe maple if you get a proc during avatar it extends it but if you have a proc and then you CAST avatar it overwrites\
so you wait until your proc is at like 1 sec left or it expires and then you cast it
zenith cosmos
hey guys whats stat prio for M+? assuming equal item levels, is it haste->crit?
ripe maple
Oh, okay
exotic spoke
Haste / crit is the go to for M+ assuming equal Ilvl
trail stag
does deafening crash stack? and is it worth is over brace for impact
over 2 stack of deafening crash
exotic spoke
Defensively brace for impact is better
The damage from deafening crash stacks but nothing else.
Offensively you’d have to sim your self. Personally, for m+, I’d go with BFI over a second deafening crash and pull a little bigger
trail stag
sounds good thanks for the help
exotic spoke
You’re welcome
wide tapir
why can't i hold large pull aggro, i get pulls down, but lose aggro fast, and i'm using everything i can to aoe, should i just taunt the strays?
sick sentinel
If you are having trouble holding aggro, there is a high likelihood that you are making mistakes.
sand egret
gonna be either a) being massively out geared (30+ ilvl) or b) not doing your rotation properly
wide tapir
i followed icy veins rotations to a t but still can't hold it, i am only 400 but i was also only holding aggro for super short periods
wary lantern
avatar and clapping is usually enough to hold aggro
wide tapir
clap as in?
mortal brook
THUNDERclap
wide tapir
lol ok thanks
wary lantern
wary lantern
if it isnt enough, really check if you are not totally outgeared
sand egret
yeah...are you competing against 440 dps?
wary lantern
30ilvl is a lot
wide tapir
fair
wary lantern
like
i swapped to fury 432 to help my friend in +8
before every pull i had to wait 5-8sec
so i wouldnt take it off him
wide tapir
dang
sand egret
the 430s may do you dirty, depending on their class
a DH's beam combo or a Ret with Wings can get dicey in those first few gcds
wide tapir
i was witha 430 mage, 420 hunter and a 426 dh
wide tapir
i don't think he used that in his rotation what so ever
wary lantern
its not even rotation, he just use it on you and all threat he does for (8sec i thjink) goes to you instead
wide tapir
i honestly don't think it was him pulling it, that mage was frost, pulling mad aoe dps and it just keept pulling aggro
brisk night
Im still new to tanking bit ive notices when people let me get at least 1 thunderclap off i have less aggro problems. The people who use iris or big aoe RIGHT as im pullimg will usually pull aggro. But as i said if i have like 1 second or 2 to use clap i usually dont have problems.
exotic spoke
Sorry, I was busy, yes @distant crystal dotty is GM and I joined recently so not really familiar with everyone he y
wide tapir
i was trying to do aoe damage but they just kept pulling, and i'll link the icy veins page
wary lantern
you can avatar while charging into demo shout into CLAP SPAM
exotic spoke
A key mistake, that some people often make, is to use avatar and demo on back to back GCDs.
You want to avatar, clap, demo
Don’t do avatar, demo, clap
brisk night
Yea i did that at first
wide tapir
the guide says avatar, demo, clap
brisk night
Instwad now i demo as charge is getting near then pop avatar then start clap rotation
brisk night
Some of them
exotic spoke
Which guide @wide tapir
brisk night
Its a decent range. So if i charge, demo as im geyting in, pop avatar (free ignore) and then start to clap
wary lantern
like, if oyu have trouble after charging with aggro, ye you gotta clap before demo, but when i play, i just demo, cos my party is still behing me
exotic spoke
Timothy, it’s better to pop avatar as you’re sharing
wide tapir
for multi it says, cast revenge, then thunder, then another revenge, shield slam, then devistate
wary lantern
i use revenge only on proc
wide tapir
i do too, but it doesn't seem like enough
brisk night
@exotic spoke when wojld i fit demo in doimg it thst way? (Honestly curious as i said im new to tanking)
exotic spoke
You avatar on charge because charge isn’t on GCD. You then block clap demo
So avatar / charge > clap shield block > demo
brisk night
Ok thanks for that tip. The reason i was doing it before (while charging) was for Some rage gen.
Ill def try that out instead
exotic spoke
You’re missing out on the damage reduction from demo shout and damage increase too on some mobs
Anyway, talk later prot friends
wary lantern
cya
spice iron
How is Anima for us? Basically never use?
strong forum
no tank wants to ever use it
the 2min CD on it and the limited situation that its useful on 5+ targets makes it very weak
spice iron
Right on, cheers.
warm plinth
Probably mentioned here already but you guys see this? https://wago.io/IwPukH70B
sick sentinel
ye I already knew about it
Fights like shrine on tyran or sisters
prot is usually top dps with that on
That's how much spell reflect does
warm plinth
Pretty nifty. Not perfect but helpful!
strong forum
aka time to flex on details
brisk night
is the Tradewinds trait any good?
chilly brook
@wide tapir what ilvl are you?
wide tapir
400
chilly brook
@strong forum I mean guardian wants to use it 😛
Hmmm
What kinda damage are you doing in aoe?
wide tapir
like 6k per revenge
chilly brook
Nah like aoe dps
Not for specific abilities lol
Cuz I was running keys at 408 as a guardian and able to hold for the most part against 430s and a 440+ shaman
sick sentinel
ye but those people are probably trash tho
chilly brook
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
strong forum
what, guardian, im pretty sure CoF is better than anime
strong forum
even in dungeons i'd say so
chilly brook
Not according to the guides and the discord
chilly brook
Anyways I was doing 30+k as guardian at sub 410 so it really had nothing to do with the performance or lack of performance of the group
dark lark
Can we get sticky's on general consensus on Ny'alotha trinkets and weapon procs? 🙂
chilly brook
^^^
dark lark
that's surprising since patch (but not raid) is next week
chilly brook
Chances are you're not holding aggro because of a mistake though
Bruh you realize what expansion you're playing yea?
left hatch
the 'lets change the main power prog system every tier' gameshow
dark lark
guess it is a smally indy company
chilly brook
And the "huh you guys were right about azerite 12 months ago in beta, who knew?"
left hatch
beta testers arn't people, they don't deserve opinions
esp not when they accurately predict basically every problem w/ the expansion before its even live
chilly brook
I can point you to probably at least one thing per tier this expansion that got nerfed 2-3 weeks after the raid dropped because it was massively broken
left hatch
I guerentee you it's gonna be the Absorb trinket that scales with Corruption res this time around
dark lark
i'm not disputing, but go ahead and humor us with that @chilly brook
chilly brook
The first off the top of my mind is that mage trait in Uldir that cucked Limit
3% wipe or some shit on ghuun to be cucked the next reset because that spec is now no longer desirable
sharp night
don't think they're gonna nerf a trinket that only works in the raid unless it breaks one of the actual raid encounters
left hatch
the on use part isn't a raid only trinket
you can use that anywhere
the 'raid only' part is a super buffed Secrets of the Deep proc
left hatch
it scales with corruption resistance
left hatch
it did as of monday
sharp night
bruh
read it again
while in ny'alotha
the DR increase does not apply outside the raid
left hatch
ah ok, thats mb
sharp night
so it's flat 80% outside raid which means it's 100k absorb on a minute cd anywhere except in raid
it's trash
left hatch
i thought the only in raid trinket was the set
left hatch
itll be the best defensive trinket in raid as is
sick sentinel
where do you get it
sick sentinel
ah
sharp night
drops off nzoth
sick sentinel
which boss is that
sharp night
the last one...
left hatch
the last
sick sentinel
ah ok
sick sentinel
bis
sharp night
it's godlike in raid
so yeah it's not gonna get nerfed because it's so bad even a bandages outperforms it outside raid
sick sentinel
how long does it last
sharp night
you're gonna end up trading it to all your dps/healers instead
for m+
10 sec
80% dr for dps is HUGE
sick sentinel
is it a trinket?
sharp night
yes
left hatch
yes
sharp night
it's gonna be pretty important for your dps to have one for like
sharp night
tyrannical king mecha or sand queen
left hatch
uhhh if yo'ure like.... world top 100 sure
by the time the majority of people in here get one, they'll overgear the fight and not need it
sharp night
idk if any raid encounters have the dps needing that much DR, probably unlikely
sick sentinel
doesn't it not work outside of raid?
sharp night
but in m+ it'll be really good for them because stuff that oneshots dps/healers is usually on a long cd
the 80% dr still works
just the boost to 95% and absorb doesn't
sharp night
it's only 80% dr for one hit every minute though
sick sentinel
especially for keys where you can zone out like in TD tyran
sharp night
not enough of a benefit compared to other trinkets
left hatch
it wo'nt be great for the sme reason that the raid essence isn't great outside of niche circumstances
being able to super mitigate 1 hit every minute just doesn't have a ton of practical application
sharp night
yeah
left hatch
compared to what you get from smoother dmg intake the other 59 seconds
sharp night
for dps/healers it has immense value though, most mechanics in dungeon that can potentially oneshot are about on a 30sec-1 min cd
so they can do something like trinket -> personal -> trinket
and survive 3 in a row if they get targeted
sick sentinel
2nd boss UR
sharp night
well nah
sharp night
tantrum ticks for like 50k atm?
left hatch
until the absorb expires
sick sentinel
Does the DR cover the absorb?
sharp night
so it'd be reduced to 12.5k which would be fully absorbed
the way it works is the damage is reduced, then subtracted from the absorb
sick sentinel
Yes, then itll last the entire tantrum
sharp night
well not the whole tantrum but part of it for sure
left hatch
ehhh
at the expense of risking another tantrum phase
because no 'insert 8.3 equivilant of inkpod coral'
sharp night
it'll full absorb one tick and then fully reduce second tick but you take a bit of leftover damage
warm plinth
Tantrum hits me for 70-75k with Blur up on 19 Tyrannical
sharp night
oh then it'll just absorb 1 tick basically
at normal ilvl
2 if it's heroic or higher
i was thinking more like sand queen upheaval or king mechagon gigazaps
where the upheaval could oneshot you if you don't have a defensive running at high enough keys, trinket will save you
left hatch
heck even FH pistol shots
sharp night
yeah although those are more unpredictable so you'd have to hit the trinket and pray it targets you lol
for first boss anyway, eudora is a diff story
warm plinth
I just dodge half of them 👍
strong forum
Devastation's Hour: Your attacks have a chance to trigger a beam of Twilight Devastation, dealing damage equal to 18.00% of your health to all enemies in front of you.
+75 Corruption
what the shit
sharp night
it got buffed?
strong forum
from 5 to 18%
sharp night
yeah
well that's how they make it compete with echoing void i guess
since it only has 2 rppm
strong forum
Echoing Void has a chance to collapse, dealing 1.50% of your Health as Shadow damage to all nearby enemies every 1 sec until no stacks remain.
so is it nerfed
strong forum
unluck
mortal brook
that's just the t2
sharp night
yeah i was used to the t1 version
strong forum
they nerfed BDK weapon again
sharp night
which was 1%
left hatch
is the fire breath effect still not randomly rolling out?
mortal brook
1.5@25corruption
left hatch
ig it doesn't matter if we can just get a better random wep effect
sharp night
the flame breath one actually got nerfed lmao
it costs more corruption now
still 5% after 30 stacks but 25 -> 30 corr
mortal brook
def still worth
strong forum
EV
strong forum
everybody wants EV if it continues to do >40% of your dmg
sharp night
i think it's only 40% for lower dps tanks isn't it
for warr/pally it's probably less
left hatch
can the wep effect still randomly roll onto all gear
sharp night
yes
left hatch
besides trinks of course
strong forum
afaik yes
left hatch
damn
warm plinth
Trinkets can corrupt I thought? Just not in the M+ cache
left hatch
ah i took it as 'not from M+ cache not at all'
never heard any confirmation either way
warm plinth
I know we saw some screenshots of corrupted trinkets a little while ago (like a week or two) from the PTR. But could have been bugs like the double sockets I guess.
sharp night
well the screenshots of corrupted trinkets are from older builds so we don't know for sure
whether it's intended or not, we'll see once s4 starts
but you don't need corruption on every piece anyway, you'll max out around 7-8 slots probably by the end of 8.3
but even 7-8 stacks of EV is stupid
strong forum
7-8 stacks wtf
sharp night
yeah by the end of 8.3 you'll be able to stack 7-8 tier 1 EVs without going over 20 corruption
strong forum
👀
mortal brook
so much dmg
sharp night
it'll get giganerfed like next week when blizz realizes what a blunder they made though
otherwise people are gonna be doing dumb stuff like stacking multiple dps warrs for chaining rallying cry as a dps boost with everyone wearing EV pieces
mortal brook
some tank is gonna get one or two, hit glad week 1, and then itll get nerfed
strong forum
or they giga nerfed proc rate
sick sentinel
What weapon is ours
mortal brook
searing breath one from wrathion
strong forum
should be in #268491842637660160
reef tendon
ok, ty
strong forum
Leech
Tier 1 Siphoner: Increases your Leech by 3%.
Tier 2 Siphoner: Increases your Leech by 5%.
Tier 3 Siphoner: Increases your Leech by 8%.
ohno
ohnono
leech + EV meta soon
sick sentinel
EV?
strong forum
echoing void
signal plover
anyone have a M azshara prog kill VoD (prot warr PoV)?
maybe a recent one post nerf
left hatch
recent and prog kill 🤔
left hatch
no im saying that'll be a rarity
signal plover
im aware of what you're sayin
sick sentinel
Nurfed's warrior tank always films all the kills. And they have been famed slayers all expansion I think
signal plover
perf thnx
sick sentinel
Using streams in the year of the lord 2022-2
signal plover
it's pre-nerf but ill take it
i took a break for 8.2 so i wasn't expecting to maybe have to fill in for it
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOSdmmknImw&feature=emb_title here's a post-nerf one
sick sentinel
wowprogress is better tbh
signal plover
o tru
sick sentinel
https://www.wowprogress.com/encounter/queen-azshara-mythic?video=warrior only like 4 mythic warrior tank videos exist anyways lul
fucking shame
sick sentinel
#DruidRising
sand egret
👀
shut summit
fuk monk
warm plinth
this tbh
manic scaffold
What would be the bis titan residum shoulder and head for prot?
Helm of malevolence and what about the shoulders
warm plinth
Probably abyssal malevolence and lockjaw I think?
tardy warren
@manic scaffold use raidbots
strong forum
absyssal and kraken yes
left hatch
lockjaw has IF (which isn't bad) but the innermost rings are meh
strong forum
id say tradewinds would be better for pumping
left hatch
Whirl isn't nearly as nice as OP or UF
manic scaffold
Ty
lucid dew
Will conflict and strife be pretty much a BIs minor for every tank next patch
Trying to figure out where to focus time for alts
I’m thinking null and conflict will still be very relevant
analog swift
yeah
conflict is great for most tanks
about a solid 8% damage increase 4% damage taken decrease
sick sentinel
What do you mean you don’t like being forced to play a part of the game you don’t enjoy in order to effectively do content you do enjoy
The audacity
sick sentinel
How dare you assume blizzard doesn’t know what they are doing
This channel is pro blizzard
left hatch
Do keys drop 4 levels next week or week of hte 21st
warm plinth
My guess would be the 21st since that's when the new scaling and shit should go into effect
Next week is just the post-season. Would be weird for them to drop them during what is basically a non-season
left hatch
didn't the scaling go into effect the week before last season?
warm plinth
We had a two week off-season last season
left hatch
right, and i might be misremembering but i thought we had the weird scaling with old rewards and Reaping
for a week
warm plinth
I doubt it, because if I look at my r.io I was doing the same level keys that we were doing in S2, in the S2 post-season
left hatch
hmm ok
warm plinth
And I remember struggling hard at the start of S3 to do like 11s and 12s
left hatch
is there anything concrete about what ilvl cap will be week 1?
left hatch
fair
warm plinth
At least it's only 1 week off-season this time. Makes me feel better.
Just wish we didn't have to waste a decent week on an off-season lol
left hatch
tbh, im just saltier about another week of beguiling
warm plinth
And a void week at that
left hatch
I've noped out mentally on this affix
tame garden
Same
torpid hornet
so i have 3x Bastion, 1x deafening crash, and 2x brace for impact. do you think it would be better to keep the double brace for impact or drop one for meticulous scheming for haste proc? For m+
warm plinth
I'd drop one for MS
left hatch
^
but 2 BfI isn't bad, every aspect of it stacks
heck in tyranical 2 BFI might be better than an MS
strong forum
MS 📈
left hatch
(thats 100% conjecture tho, not based on even napkin math)
torpid hornet
dope, thanks
warm plinth
Either way you got some nice traits 😄
torpid hornet
😁
merry cave
Are they changing the affix combos again?
warm plinth
We don't know.
It makes less sense to redo the schedule this time since afaik the obelisks don't move weekly (the lieutenants at the obelisks do rotate a little, but unknown how much), but no reason they couldn't do it again.
left hatch
There will be a big overhaul (allegedly) to affixes in 9.0 tho!
undone sun
oblique garnet
Afaik they havent changed affix combinations just how some of them work i.e quaking
This patch
merry cave
Thanks 👌
brazen lion
Hey guys, I'm 1600 in 2v2 I conq capped and only got 2 Battlefield Furor from chest?
You can open it twice apparently
nvm
oblique garnet
Yeah they would have been in mailbox otherwise
sage niche
i see many warriors use memory as major at dungeons how do you use it as def or to do dps ?
strong forum
'many'
You use it defensively and offensively at the same time during huge pulls at high key levels to help yourself sustain cuz of the 20% leech and back to back avatar ( 40sec)
It's only worth, if at all, during high keys to make any use of the major
sage niche
thank you
amber sigil
What you guys think about vulpera prot warrior to high m+ keys?
wary lantern
whats the point of vulpera?
amber sigil
They're cute .-.
oblique garnet
Aoe purge especially with mechagon will rise in value aswell
left hatch
that being said the utility aspect of races only matters so much
play what you want
if you like the look of vulpera live your dream and be a furry
end of the day itll really only impact stupid high key progression
its the same argument as 'what class' to play. play what you want, your skill, preparation, practice and enjoyment level are a FAR FAR bigger factor to your performance than if you're playing the 'optimal' race/class
oblique garnet
^
still flame
Any recommendations for a UI or template? I downloaded WeakAuras but have no idea where to start
hot jetty
brittle owl
mild river
Hi, ppl. Any news about the new essences?
left hatch
as far as the Corruption Resistance goes, its a flat 10 and doesn't scale with essence rarity so its more or less a non-factor. you MIGHT use it if it makes you miss a scary breakpoint but eh
Touch of Everlasting major is super niche, like any cheat death yo'ull likely only take it if you're learning a fight while super undergeared, and even then it doesn't actually help you in the fight aside from saving a B-rez you shouldn't have needed. The minor is also bad any 'if you fall below X' proc is usually super finnicky (especially on a proactive tank) and the regarding the gains from this one, Avoidance is only useful in super niche circumstances where its very op (and you wouldn't be able to proc hte trigger for it anyway in these cases) and a 50% longer SB once every 60s is functionally nothing in comparison to other minors
Strenght of hte Warden
Major - maybe if you're really really undergeared on a skittish week the taunt would be useful? but even if you play around the damage increase and mega pull, the dmg increase is only 6s on a 2m cd so Visions will likely do more damage anyway
minor is also garbage, with the way it works now the majority of healing gets consumed as overhealing, since you can't really 'turn off' block when you're healed up, and oftentimes itll happen at the very start of combat wasting any pooled healing then too
Formless Void
Major - eh doubtful itll be useful. the CD is 30% longer so even op ST essences lik ClF will be unusable with it since it doesn't duplicate the in built CDR to it, MAYBE itll be good copying memebeam but with the buff to VoP its uncertain
Minor- itll be outscaled by the existing fan favorites without super coordinated play. And even then having people stagger their essences (outside of buff windows and hero and shit) will probably result in an overall loss for party output
TLDR - super doubtful any of them will see use outside of niche circumstances. enjoy the opportunity to slot in another existing one with your extra slot
aeigs AND Cns ❤️
sleek bridge
I haven't actively tanked since Wrath on my warrior, looking to get back into it a bit (been Enh shaman for a long time now), is Vision of Perfection the top choice for major slot for the avatar procs?
sleek bridge
Probably not going to tank raids, just M+
left hatch
then yah VoP is the go-to
sleek bridge
right on, thanks 😄
analog swift
@warm plinth I am doing a decent amount of ptr testing, the obelisks do not move but the LTs have at least 2 week rotation, only rotation not updated in MDT are those on enchanted week (assuming everyone is on retail that week). This does change some routes because you might want to do different LTs with the final boss. I think it would be weird to have 4 obelisks on a three week rotation tho
sleek bridge
been reading up on icy veins/wowhead for info, just checking if they're up to date - 1x Deafening Crash and 3x Bastion of Might kinda the go-to as far as Azerite Traits go in M+ or should I be actively looking for other traits?
left hatch
nope thats the gold standard
sleek bridge
groovy
left hatch
ignore bloodsport and the revenge trait entirely tho
in almost every case the generic stat/damage option is better
sleek bridge
Revenge Trait seemed ok at first, then I thought about only 1.5% and realized that was pretty meh
left hatch
it promotes a meh playstyle of spamming revenge to get to and maintain the 3 stacks
sleek bridge
makes sense
left hatch
at the expense of rage generators SS and TC, and probably dumping rage into it to maintain the stacks and being slow to SB or not IP-ing
and is also outscaled offensively and defensively by generic stat procs
like blightborne infusion, tradewinds, meticulous scheming etc
sleek bridge
what minor essences are go-to's? I only have the first unlocked but I'm not too far from unlocking the second
ionic fern
For m+? Lucid/Sphere/cns/aegis
sleek bridge
Groovy, thanks
still flame
So is this the week that we wait to turn in a treasure map, complete the expeditions, turn in the treasure map/start that mission the day before the new patch and then complete the expedition quest the next day?
wooden radish
you only want to trigger a map before the patch if its last week's map
and it will only benefit you fully if you're below neck level 70
sick sentinel
Someone explain to me the m+ situation going into next season again
What level key do I need to do this week to get a 16
azure grove
as I know we need a 19 this week to get a 15 next week
sleek bridge
What's a good ilvl to shoot for in order to sufficiently tank a +10?
azure grove
Depends on your grp and your tank exp
slate pilot
Probably like 405-410 At an average skill level
warm plinth
If you’re pugging, you’re unlikely to be invited at lower than 420-425, even as a tank.
sleek bridge
K, thanks!
wooden radish
@azure grove that's wrong. that only applies for the season change over which is after next week.
zenith hamlet
New prot tank here. Going over a bunch of numbers and details. Was wondering why no one takes Never Surrender and always takes Bolster?
undone sun
it's not good
left hatch
^
IP isn't a primary means of mitigation
it smooths damage
Bolster gives a MUCH higher uptime on SB
which leads to a ton more damage mitigated
undone sun
as well as lowering the CD of LS
left hatch
whereas the benefit to never surrender is pretty minimal, especially because you need to be literally dead to get the full x2 benefit to it
wooden radish
mythic ra-den 🙃
left hatch
the cases where its in any way better then bolster is super minimal, offhand the only place i c an think of is Super high tyranical ML for last 2 bosses
since its 100% magic damage
but even then i wouldn't take it becuase the rest of the dungeon is still physical heavy and would benefit much much more from bolster
(and the lower cd of LS might be better anyway to help with that damage)
still flame
@wooden radish so I just finished my expeditions. Ive got a Map in inventory, so I cant "complete" the expedition quest yet to get the map. My thinking was Id wait to complete the expedition quest and get the map quest the day before the new patch. right before that, id pop the map i currently have and then start that quest so it overlaps with new patch starting. my neck is around 40% on level 69
wooden radish
what you'd do is
the day before the patch
pop the map in your inventory
turn in this weeks islands
get that map
then save that till after the patch
junior igloo
How long does the mission last after using map before we need to send it?
Should we send the very first mission before the patch reset or after?
I assume it doesn't matter if it ends after, right?
wooden radish
the mission is on the table for 3 days
you send it after the patch
this really only works for non-70s
if you're 70, you could proc gold
or if you proc residue, you'll get converted to gold
junior igloo
Why? Surely the best reward is residuum, isn't it?
wooden radish
all current 8.2.5 residue missions were converted to gold
warm plinth
no because any s3 residuum is converted in the patch
left hatch
just like how you can't bank Az gear to scrap post patch
junior igloo
Will the mission get converted to gold mid-way?
still flame
ok. so now that Ive got the mission completed, just hold as I currently have it, right? @wooden radish I think I have this right now, just making sure
hollow kernel
hi there, im very new as a prot warrior (its a very new alt), so I have a question which might be very obvious to u guys :P
When Avatar procs with visions, the IP from Bastion of Might is also 35% of an actual IP?
left hatch
not 100% on that one, but in any real content itll be consumed before it would run out
so doesn't really matter
hollow kernel
y it doesnt, i was just testing it out on the dummy
and theoretically i was wondering if i was seeing it right or not 😛
but thanks for clarifying 🙂
warm plinth
To clarify, if Vision procs during an existing Avatar, it just extends the existing Avatar. The mastery bonus and everything is normal. It's only when it procs outside of Avatar that the effect is reduced.
warm plinth
Yep
left hatch
but if you manually pop Ava during a Visions proc it just replaces
and puts you at 20s
so its smart to get some way to track if you're in Ava or not
warm plinth
Which is bullshit tbh. Should be like AW and not let us cast if there's a Vision proc -_-
I wanna be lazy, not track Avatar, pfft
left hatch
and also not minimize the stat gain
tame garden
Wonder why they only gave that QoL to pally
warm plinth
Yeah idk. It's weird.
tame garden
Boomy incarn also overwrites vision procs
left hatch
with the stat gain at least, its tied to how the trait works
with AW trait its the act of AW happening that procs the benefit
whereas BoM is tied to the Avatar buff itself
not the skill
left hatch
I'm petty and salty too
chilly brook
Just use khakans wa ez
tawdry matrix
Nullification rank 1 or memory rank 2 in minor for mythic+ ?!
sick sentinel
Lucid
mortal brook
but you should def get null3
sick sentinel
You should get all rank 3
tawdry matrix
yeah trying to 🙂 just got back to warr for 8.3
sick sentinel
I’m general best minors for prot are CnS, aegis, sphere
gleaming oracle
im so torn! memory or vision in major for m+
chilly brook
Vision
Lucid isn't going to be worth it to 99% of people in major in most situations
tawdry matrix
im playing vision major, and aegis, null atm. Will try lucid instead untill null gets r3
chilly brook
That's really not even a question
sick sentinel
Lucid major only effective if you are pulling like 1/2 the dungeon and even then, minimally
Just use vision
tawdry matrix
Atleast we can buy rep from mains in 8.3
chilly brook
It's like using incarn as guardian
gleaming oracle
okok cheers
chilly brook
You literally pull a ton of stuff to make it worth it
chilly brook
You must count to 3
Not 4 for that is far too many
Not 2 for that is far too short
No more no less
Love that movie
craggy harness
that quote is eternally resusable too
and just like yesterday, i have that pseudo gregorian chant from that line stuck in my head again
warm plinth
@tawdry matrix You should use lucid even with R3 null. In dungeons at least, Null is a lot less useful. You'll get more out of other minors. Aegis is also not great because C&S is better at sub-7 targets (e.g. the average pull) and Aegis is virtually useless on bosses whereas C&S still has max effectiveness.
wooden radish
@ionic fern 👀
tame garden
warm plinth
mortal brook
ionic fern
Mwahi helpline.
tame garden
:mwahi:
ionic fern
😢
potent anvil