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strong forum
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rio is just playing alot

analog zinc
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really fucking bad

undone sun
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Rio is easily cheesed

analog zinc
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3 minutes into this dungeon

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he's cast shield block twice

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hes cast as many last stands as he's cast shield block

strong forum
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yup hes using shield block as filler for last stand

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if at all

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🙂

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but like i said

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enough bashing

frail flame
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Question, Im trying to make a set for lower keys for max dmg output would it still be viable to have 3x def crash and bastion x 3. or would more dmg come from like 2x def crash 3x bastion and 1 iron fort?

strong forum
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pure dmg DC would be more than IF

analog zinc
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bastion is bis defensively & offensively

strong forum
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however its not recommended to run more than 1 DC

sand egret
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DC would be the move for pure dps increase in that specific scenario

analog zinc
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DC really isn't that spectacular for damage anymore since avatar was nerfed

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its still pretty good

sand egret
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assuming its lower keys to pull big and shit won't last long, then IF won't give you much output vs each clap

exotic spoke
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IO can be bought 🙂

strong forum
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also at the 2k range gear carries alot

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you dont need to play like a god to do 17s/18s

sand egret
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gear does a lot of the work

warm plinth
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@exotic spoke I can DM you about that

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😏

sand egret
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i play with not-so-bright people and they're able to brute force their way thru stuff unlike before due to sheer gear power creep haha

strong forum
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same

analog zinc
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aight new years resolution

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2k is a joke

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i need to be better

strong forum
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it always was

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except in maybe s1

sand egret
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it's just relative

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simple as that

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early on it means more as people don't easily outgear content

exotic spoke
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@warm plinth sure you can DM me about it but you ain’t getting any of my gold

warm plinth
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Dodged a bullet there. I'm 2100 so I'm not a joke

sand egret
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longer the season, the lower the floor is

analog zinc
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this guy is 2.1k ghast

exotic spoke
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Going for 3k this season

warm plinth
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So I am a joke

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😢

sand egret
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100% confirm it's Ghash

frail flame
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Awesome thank you guys.

sand egret
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can tell by the knees

warm plinth
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He does have an uncanny resemblance

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Wait, who are we talking about?

exotic spoke
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Actually

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Fuck,

analog zinc
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i'm gonna follow this guy, & if i ever drop below him in io next season i'm gonna commit seppuku

exotic spoke
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I should go for 3,2k this season

sand egret
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go for 3210

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or bust

strong forum
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gl you have 7 days

undone sun
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Rio is a joke

exotic spoke
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Since at 2500 right now, two more dungeons - assuming same average - means 3k easy

warm plinth
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3200 is like a 20 of every dungeon

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in S4

strong forum
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no thats 2.8k

exotic spoke
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This coming seasons nome

strong forum
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ghash

sand egret
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not true @undone sun

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it's a nice city.

strong forum
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oh you mean next season

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ye

undone sun
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I hear it's high crime rate

sand egret
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yeah...you just don't go there 🙂

undone sun
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Lol

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But nice city

sand egret
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the non-favela parts

warm plinth
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The hell are you guys talking about

exotic spoke
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@undone sun you’re not wrong. But it also impacts how much gold I can make and which keys I can carry soooooo I care a little about it

strong forum
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Rio is a nice city, but dont go anywhere and leave everything in a safe

undone sun
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

exotic spoke
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Rio - the city

dark lark
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woosh

strong forum
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told you

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ghash is a boomer

sand egret
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100% true

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also can confirm

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and again, by the knees

warm plinth
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The fuck

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Aren't you older than me Blade

undone sun
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Can still call others boomer

warm plinth
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I know Thyme isn't; he's a young'un

undone sun
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Yup

warm plinth
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Waat is old af

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He makes me feel young

sand egret
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huge boomer

warm plinth
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Blade how old are you

sand egret
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i'm a hip 18 year old

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i do the dabs

undone sun
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Doubt

warm plinth
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-_-

undone sun
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More like 81

exotic spoke
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Hard doubt

warm plinth
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Gonna go with 81 as well

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Dad jokes and puns are too strong for an 18 year old

dark lark
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hey kids i floss everyday!

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im glad you do too

undone sun
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😬

dark lark
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actually i literally said that was my new year's resolution, to floss everyday

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and my younger cousin, being totally serious, did the floss saying "like this?"

sand egret
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he just has floss on hand?

dark lark
sand egret
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seems a bit strange, but correct form is important!

dark lark
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that's a paddlin @sand egret

somber sky
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can I run the fang on my prot?

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bootleg iris

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as an offense trink

sand egret
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woah

warm plinth
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It's not recommended; you can't block/dodge/parry while channeling it.

dark lark
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you shouldn't have empty GCDs to use it

sand egret
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alternate Nom...

warm plinth
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Yeah it's fucking with me

somber sky
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so that's why i am so vulnerable

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thanks for making me understand taht

dark lark
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i got a 455 fang in my weekly box like two weeks ago and i wanted to cry

somber sky
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u a g

sand egret
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and he’s nice....

somber sky
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yeah i have 455 literalgarbage and 450 fang

sand egret
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what universe you from?

somber sky
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I have yet to get another 455 trinket feelsbadman

sand egret
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i like this Nom better

somber sky
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what is a nom?

sand egret
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Alternate you

strong forum
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its a multiverse

somber sky
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i'm NaM

strong forum
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im censored

sand egret
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this is definitely not...nom-al....

dark lark
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should I go 3x BoM, DC, and 2x Meticulous Scheming? Or 3x BoM, DC, IF, MS?

somber sky
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so can I IP before casting this? or do you just not recommend it at all?

dark lark
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running 20s in m+

sand egret
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yea you can Rox

somber sky
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i'm talking 10-14 keys

sand egret
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Mertic Scheming is also really solid

warm plinth
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Fucking hell

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Blade

somber sky
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i'm just worried about running this on big pulls

warm plinth
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Nom and Kaege have that shit

strong forum
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3x bom 2x ms 1x dc @dark lark

warm plinth
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There's 3 of them

somber sky
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what's Mertic Scheming? meticulous scheming?

strong forum
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unless you have a subpar shield

warm plinth
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STOP

dark lark
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440 shield

warm plinth
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WHY

somber sky
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i have a 430 crit vers socket shield

strong forum
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eh 440.... mh

dark lark
strong forum
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that is indeed not ideal

somber sky
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I ahve 430 socket mh :<

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crit haste socket

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from tos

strong forum
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im actually not certain on that dshoo

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i would say IF but at the same time MS is giga strong

dark lark
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wtf nom, you have the red name. you should have answers!

undone sun
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🙃

strong forum
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just you wait thyme :arthur_fist:

analog zinc
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:arthur_fist:

strong forum
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wait since you have Ashvane Kraken and one of the DC helmets, i would go BFI instead MS on chest actually and keep MS on shoulders dshoo

dark lark
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🤔

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BFI for the ST damage?

strong forum
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block value

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you get way more block value on average from BFI

analog zinc
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BFI strong on single target & defensively strong

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it just doesn't scale with more targets

dark lark
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why lose MS on ashvane instead of kraken?

strong forum
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cuz bfi > if

dark lark
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ah

strong forum
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imo

dark lark
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so 3x BOM, DC BFI MS

strong forum
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ye thats fine

warm plinth
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I prefer ABC DE FGH IJ KLM NO PQR STUV WXYZ

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But that's just me

undone sun
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Wait for what @strong forum

dark lark
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i had a trait question @undone sun

undone sun
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Because if you get SF all hope is lost

strong forum
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my dreams and hopes coming true pepsihands

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okay rude

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i think im doing a pretty good job besides being out of line a couple times

warm plinth
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I'm already the new SF in my heart

undone sun
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Lol

warm plinth
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And that's the only place that matters

strong forum
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he just hits me with the lol

warm plinth
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Hey he capitalized it

strong forum
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im not crying youre crying

undone sun
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Mobile auto cap

oblique garnet
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🤔 SF

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Who

warm plinth
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Okay never mind

oblique garnet
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What

warm plinth
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I'm just waiting for Vel to read my Mwahi and Late recommendation letters

undone sun
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Me

oblique garnet
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Im still waiting on the bribes

undone sun
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🤣

warm plinth
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Oof

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Dreams crushed

wooden radish
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parsemonger for SF

warm plinth
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Yikes

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Lincoln why aren't you a cat anymore?

undone sun
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👮

oblique garnet
wooden radish
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cat is on break atm

warm plinth
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Mwahi will be putting out the missing signs soon 😦

wooden radish
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@ionic fern 😦

strong forum
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let a man rest

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its past midnight

wooden radish
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wdym

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he needs to be writing the Icy Veins guide

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apparently he has competition

warm plinth
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Does he?

wooden radish
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yes parsemonger is coming for his job

oblique garnet
undone sun
wooden radish
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Someone is leaking to Abrodus

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Whose banned

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Whose the rat

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Or he’s ban evading

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Shocker

analog zinc
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who

undone sun
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Wouldn't be the first

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Or second

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Or third

wooden radish
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He’s messaging me on one of his troll accounts. He should man up and message me on his main account like he messaged that Icy Veins guy to shit talk @ionic fern

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@exotic spoke hello

dark lark
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hol'up, what happened to marok?

warm plinth
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Real life

dark lark
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h8 2 c it

sand egret
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damn Mwahi's cat is spicy today

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and even learned to disguise itself....

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always impressed ngl

wooden radish
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Don’t attack my boy @ionic fern like a weasel or I get spicy 🙂

undone sun
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@ionic fern a nerd

exotic spoke
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Hi Lincoln

wooden radish
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how are you

exotic spoke
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I’m doing well. Sorry just started driving after I replied

clear carbon
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Do you guys think prot warriors will be ideal to tank mythic nyalotha, with all the magic damage I was thinking of maining my dk, but I love my warrior

strong forum
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the only logical reason to play DK over warrior would be that you love playing DK, other than that, warri will be better

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Ideally Monk will be the go-to tank for raiding, as usual

random urchin
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The whole “roll bdk for Ny’alotha” trend is kind of annoying tbh.

strong forum
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its just people being misinformed, ontop of BDK being generally a very popular spec

random urchin
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Yeah

cosmic oasis
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fucking fotm hivemind

clear carbon
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Thank you, yeah, I think it’s just the weapon that bdks get

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But warrior is so much better, more mobility, more engaging

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And it’s not like we’re garbage in raid lol

warm plinth
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The BDK weapon got gutted

strong forum
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Corrupted affects can proc for ever character on every weapon, ontop of the weapon being giga stomped into the ground

clear carbon
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Oh, thank god

strong forum
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the corrupted effects are NOT limited to raid weapons

clear carbon
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People just get on a hype train from some beta testers

random urchin
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Cuz if we’re talking ability to tank magic damage (ams being one of the reasons a lot of are saying bdk is good) you can just go vengeance DH

strong forum
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VDH does what BDK does, but better

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literally

random urchin
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Yep

clear carbon
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But I truly believe any tank can get cutting edge, and people focus too much on tank classes that are hype

strong forum
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so yeh, you can safely roll Prot War

random urchin
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Plus, VDH w/ echoing void is going to slap

clear carbon
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Thanks guys

strong forum
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any tank is viable, absolutely

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now more than ever

warm plinth
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No way echoing void goes live as it is right now

random urchin
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Until they nerf echoing void into the ground lol

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Yeah

warm plinth
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If it does, then holy fuck is Blizzard ignorant

sick sentinel
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Only turds play non prot warriors

strong forum
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Tanks are the most balanced specs in BFA

sick sentinel
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That is all

clear carbon
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I’ve played brew master, I hate their rotation

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Bdk is the same

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No mobility too

strong forum
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Proud of you

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👍

clear carbon
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BM is faceroll lol

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But stagger is so sexy

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But warrior is the best tank imo for most fun

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It’s like people forget that we have spell reflect for Nyalothoa

strong forum
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or demo shout

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or ip

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or shield wall

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or last stand

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🙂

sick sentinel
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or devastate

clear carbon
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Lol

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Exactly

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You know how much it sucks to have alts

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Lol

sick sentinel
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this is why

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you just

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dont

clear carbon
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I already crank hours into my baby warrior

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Lol

sick sentinel
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my alt is my off spec

clear carbon
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My true love

strong forum
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its actually kinda decent now that i have 3 chars up to speed

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vdh with full essences 70 neck

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warlock with kinda full essences and 69 neck

sick sentinel
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god i would give a limb for a vdh with full essences

strong forum
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its actually very little effort once you have your main done

sick sentinel
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why cant the effort just be non existent

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let me reroll to bdk for one week if i want to blizzard

strong forum
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tru

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i dont disagree

clear carbon
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They botched essences

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Lol

strong forum
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it was annoying 3 weeks of logging in every day for an hour just for stupid essences

sick sentinel
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any time i have to QUEST to obtain an item kms

clear carbon
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Dude null barrier rank 3 was a bitch lol

strong forum
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i was quite close to gearing up BDK cuz of boredom, but luckily its on other faction

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so i didnt bother

sick sentinel
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i will be forced to gear a panda dk upon 8.3 release

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destiny calls

strong forum
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gearing is easy

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thats like 3 keys

sick sentinel
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essencing* a dk panda

strong forum
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but getting null and aegis...

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😪

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(worldvein major might be bis essence for bdk 8.3 btw 🙂 )

clear carbon
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And apparently some prot wars run conflict and strife for dps

sick sentinel
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most*

strong forum
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yes

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most

clear carbon
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Lol so ffffff

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Pvp

strong forum
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every tank wants that tbh

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*the minor

sick sentinel
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vers is just good all around for tanks

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especially when you get a lot of it

clear carbon
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Yeah I need to grind that for sure, but at least essences will be BoA by this next patch

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I think

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Lol

sick sentinel
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someone who knows answer this mans question cause if this is true im going to yell

clear carbon
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That’s what I heard

cosmic oasis
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maybe in 5 months

sick sentinel
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yeah as far as i know thats fake news

clear carbon
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Noooooo

analog zinc
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i've got exalted with naz/mecha on 4 characters, & revered on another 2

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AMA

sick sentinel
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"and in my social life I..."

clear carbon
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Lol

sick sentinel
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kek i kid

clear carbon
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Dude it’s such a simple fix for blizzard

strong forum
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FUN

clear carbon
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If you get a rank 3 you have that on all max level toons

strong forum
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IS NOT

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ALLOWED

clear carbon
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Wtff

sick sentinel
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this is blizzards way of discouraging flavor of the month class playing

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i.e discouraring fun

clear carbon
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But at least we have diablo on mobile

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Lol

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And then they ask why there’s no retention of subscribers

analog zinc
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i mean that doesn't solve the base issue

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even if you get your essences on your alts for free

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what about all the people that took a break & dont want to even play the game at all because they don't have essences on any character

sick sentinel
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Then get essences

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The catch up is insanely high rn

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Most people on wow complain about things but wow is actually nothing

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Compared to other games and making alts

analog zinc
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then what's the problem with non-account wide essences?

sick sentinel
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FFXIV, BDO, games like that

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are way way wworse

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and people don't bitch about the grind

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because it makes sense

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You're making a new char

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expect to grind

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In 4 hours, you can get rank 65

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takes like 30 minutes for all your dailes

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you're done for the day

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??????

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If you don't have any sort of essences, that's just laziness; and that translates into other games as well. Just don't play RPG games if you're like that

analog zinc
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it doesn't matter if people are lazy or not, there's content people dont want to grind, & because they dont want to grind, instead of working hard they just dont play the game

sick sentinel
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Then RPGs aren't for them

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Simple as that :)

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this is no time for negative energy

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it's not negative

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It's the truth lol

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By no means do I mean malicious content

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n e g a t i v e

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e n e r g y

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throws phone at wall

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What's a phone?

oblique garnet
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I mean if you really want to get back into the game and not play casually you will always have to commit to the grind this time its essences but there is always the grind in wow

strong forum
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^

sick sentinel
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Ye no matter what

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game sucks just agree. no matter how much i loathe it i will always let the self hatred absorb me and do the grind

oblique garnet
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I think the game is fine

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Idm bfa

sick sentinel
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^

strong forum
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do i want to play the game? yes? then ill do the grind

sick sentinel
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mechanically

strong forum
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do i want to play the game? not really? then i wont do the grind

sick sentinel
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It's better than most expansions

strong forum
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its that simple

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i like grinding, if its a feasable reward

sick sentinel
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really enjoyed bfa

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until 8.2

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now hate bfa

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and when 8.3 rolls around by the will of the good lord i will enjoy it again

strong forum
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s2 was great, s3 not so much

sick sentinel
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s2 was awesome all around

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raid was good, m+ was good

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s2 was great mainly because of avatar shit lmao

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and reaping with that

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its not even about the prot damage. it was the sense that the affix was less annoying in general

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beguiling is not hard it is really annoying

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I find reaping more annoying

analog zinc
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enchanted is the very definition of "annoying"

sick sentinel
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literally a non affix designed to annoy you

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that is poor game design

strong forum
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s2 was great because of reaping and non-existance of essences

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the avatar shit is irrelevant

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the game itself was "easier"

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and a comfy raid

sick sentinel
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This raid is just ass

chilly brook
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Reaping was fun wtf

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How could you even think that reaping was annoying? @sick sentinel it literally put everything in your hands to control

sick sentinel
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Because I was a warlock main at the time and when i was first making my warrior, I had 1 BoM and would get melted by reaping in dungeons like motherload

chilly brook
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Getting melted in motherlode is hardly a reaping problem

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And regardless of reaping lock isn't too hot in big aoe

sick sentinel
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?

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Demo was insane on reaping

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8.2 demo was the best aoe class you could get

chilly brook
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No

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Big no

sick sentinel
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Yes

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Lmao

chilly brook
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No

sick sentinel
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Back when EP gave you a lust + more

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yes

chilly brook
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Reaping didn't exist in 8.2

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And uhhhh

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The best aoe class in the game is unholy dk

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And outlaw is definitely better than demo lock

sick sentinel
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Have you ever seen demo lock back when it was insanely undertuned?

strong forum
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hes simply mentioning

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that you said 8.2

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not 8.1

chilly brook
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And even in 8.q

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8.1

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It wasn't the best aoe class

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Not by a long shot

strong forum
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demo was only good during the 3 weeks when EP was bugged

sick sentinel
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it wasn't bugged?

strong forum
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it was

sick sentinel
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No, the issue with tyrant was bugged

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and that was a quality of life bug

chilly brook
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Actually you right

sick sentinel
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It just gave you insane amounts of haste because they never tuned it

strong forum
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ah yes, a trait giving you over 70% haste

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not bugged

sick sentinel
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yes it wasn't bugged

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lmao

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It was

chilly brook
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That's why we saw demo locks in every group for the mdi

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Oh wait

sick sentinel
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Because that was tuned before MDI?

chilly brook
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Because it was broken lmao

strong forum
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in the literal term

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demo lock has a spotlight for 3 weeks

chilly brook
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And it still didn't compare to unholy in big pulls with reaping

strong forum
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or some shit

sick sentinel
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Being undertuned and "bugged" means two different things

chilly brook
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It's a good thing demo scales quadratically with haste just like unholy

strong forum
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but it was bugged, the trait stacked infinetely

chilly brook
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Oh wait....

strong forum
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if it wasnt bugged it was just broken

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in the literal term

sick sentinel
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Literal term

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"undertuned"

strong forum
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undertuned means it does less

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overtuned means it does too much

chilly brook
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Demo wasn't undertuned

sick sentinel
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"Undertuned meaning it wasn't tuned enough"

chilly brook
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The trait was overtuned

strong forum
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uh no

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undertuned means something does too little

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overtuned means something does too much

sick sentinel
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By what definition?

strong forum
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by everyones definition

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undertuned has always meant it does too little, for example mastery for arms warri in 8.0

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when mastery gave you nothing

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they then buffed mastery by 1000%

strong forum
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that is what UNDER tuned means

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OVER tuned means something does TOO MUCH

chilly brook
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By that definition the trait basically fits overtuned

sick sentinel
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Didn't do enough

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needs more

chilly brook
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But its semantics

strong forum
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aka giving you 4000+ haste instead of 1.5k as it does now

undone sun
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daily semantics arguing 👏

chilly brook
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Undertuned would be not enough

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Overtuned is too much

sick sentinel
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No, it wasn't enough

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It needed more

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That's what Im' saying

strong forum
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wha

chilly brook
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It didn't but ok

strong forum
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100k ST dps

sick sentinel
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Definitely did

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^ that's why it needed to stay

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It needs more than that

strong forum
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undertuned

chilly brook
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You're actually a troll

strong forum
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sure bud

sick sentinel
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100k isn't much

strong forum
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constant?

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people cant keep 100k st up now

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but they did in early bod

chilly brook
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Dude clearly just wants to play a broken class

sick sentinel
#

It's 100k burst for 15 seconds

chilly brook
#

And is gonna say anything to support it

sick sentinel
#

Then you drop off

chilly brook
#

His justification for not liking reaping and it being annoying is blizz fixing something that was broken

sick sentinel
#

Fixing?

#

It was terrible

#

Needed to be buffed more

#

Now it's just unplayable

chilly brook
#

Demo is completely playable

strong forum
#

you do realise that demo warlock with the broken EP was ahead by over 30% over top specs

#

if not more

sick sentinel
#

Any class is completely "playable" but comparing it from then and now

#

@strong forum I do, but it needed more

strong forum
#

ah yes

chilly brook
#

You just can't be bothered to git gud and deal with the classes shortcomings

#

And want an ez win button

strong forum
#

so 1 spec should do double damage than everyone else

#

got it

#

im out

sick sentinel
#

Damage?

#

I just liked how it felt

#

It could do -10k dps

#

and I'd still play it

chilly brook
#

Lmao

#

Now you're changing your argument hahahhahahahahhaha

#

Hahhahahahhaha

#

Nice b8 m8

sick sentinel
#

?

#

I'm saying

#

it's unplayable

#

It was undertuned

#

I'm not changing my argument??????????

strong forum
#

so lemme get this straight

#

you want 200% perma haste

#

thats what you want

#

thats your argument

sick sentinel
#

Yes, even if it would mean I do 1k dps

strong forum
#

then say that

sick sentinel
#

Because it feels smooth

#

No I want damage also tho

#

didn't do enough

#

100k is much

#

fire mage does more

#

and it scales with aoe

#

tyrant doesn't

chilly brook
#

He's literally baiting you at this point

distant crystal
#

i'll bate you

sick sentinel
#

😏

distant crystal
#

😏

undone sun
#

gr8 b8 m8 i r8 -8/8

sick sentinel
#

In 8.3, how many stuffos do you need for vision

strong forum
#

"hahaa! my grand scheme finally worked! I just say it was all a joke"

sick sentinel
#

?

#

Clearly you are still affected by it

#

By seriously

#

How many items of the rank 3 vision parts do you need

strong forum
#

4

sick sentinel
#

NO

#

No*

#

8.3 changes it

#

I want to know the 8.3 one

distant crystal
#

shoo

#

go ask peak of serenity

sick sentinel
#

What's that

chilly brook
#

Vision isn't even going to be good next patch you want warden major

sick sentinel
#

This isn't for my warrior

chilly brook
#

Then why you asking in warrior discord lul

sick sentinel
#

I didnt

#

I asked in multiple ones

chilly brook
#

This guy is worse than levko ever was

sick sentinel
#

I'm just vastly more intelligent

undone sun
#

🤣

#

10* more humble too

sick sentinel
#

Thank you my friend Thyme

#

This discord wreaks of troll

#

There’s only room for one troll around here

left hatch
#

🗞️

oblique garnet
#

@sick sentinel Vision isnt changing

sick sentinel
#

BUT

#

it is becoming easier to get

oblique garnet
#

well yeah since you get those from m+

sick sentinel
#

What's easier to get about it

#

Is what I should ask

#

refer to lates previous response

oblique garnet
#

you get those things from m+

#

atleast in ptr

left hatch
#

from what i saw late ptr, (and what wowhead put out) the ones you get from m+ are still locked to 1 a week

#

its just a stand-in for your run of baseline

sick sentinel
#

so you get 1 weekly

#

and 2 from hm

oblique garnet
#

Really 🤔

sharp night
#

yep

sick sentinel
#

then you do 1 weekly or 1 normal mechagon?

#

is that how it works

left hatch
#

no you do either or

sharp night
#

and m+ only gives 1 per week so if you're trying to get vop asap you still need to do regular hm

oblique garnet
#

🤷‍♀️ I dont have a character without vop rank 3

sick sentinel
#

So you still need to do 2 HMs to get it

#

in 2w eeks

sharp night
#

yes

sick sentinel
#

dam

#

actually pointless lmao

left hatch
#

then don't do it an underperform

sharp night
#

the change is just so that people have the option of getting it over 4 weeks without having to form a group for m0 mecha

analog zinc
#

man devastate fucking sucks

#

211 shield slams did 4.5m damage
111 devastates did 700k damage

strong forum
#

i take devastate over throw glaive any day of the week

#

or hammer of the righteous

#

cuz it actually does something

analog zinc
#

hammer of the righteous? What's that?

#

i only know Blessed Hammer

strong forum
#

yikes

#

but ye blessed hammer is kinda cool

analog zinc
#

BH is mad good

#

i hate holy shield so much

#

any fight that makes me use holy shield makes me wanna kms

strong forum
#

idk higher block chance on a class that cant guarantee block sounds kinda big

#

🤷‍♂️

sick sentinel
#

blocking sucks

analog zinc
#

that's the issue

#

its a chance

#

vs flat 12% AA dr

#

prot pally has so much damn rng

sick sentinel
#

just be a dk and take it to the DOME

analog zinc
#

Warrior is just: Did you parry? If yes, you take no damage. Did you crit block? If yes, you take no damage. Did you normal block? If yes, you take a little bit of damage

strong forum
#

pally is "pls let me block"

analog zinc
#

pally is like parry, block, & fucking lotp crit chance

strong forum
#

FUCK i have to heal now

analog zinc
#

fuck lotp

#

seriously

#

when it crits its basically a lay on hands

#

when it doesn't crit it gets eaten up by a single auto

strong forum
#

hey but you have last defender

#

that shits juicy

analog zinc
#

LD is good

#

it caps at 23 targets

strong forum
#

well yes

analog zinc
#

so you always want to pull 23 at a time as a pally

strong forum
#

exactly

#

and then youre quite immortal

#

:wesmart:

analog zinc
#

but LD is so painful at times

#

pally are so bad on tyranical bosses

#

but if you pull trash into tyranical bosses they're like actually easier

#

like you make a big pull on freehold & you're going fine, everything dies but the crusher, then the crusher autos you for half your health bar

strong forum
#

ergo

#

pull more

analog zinc
#

pally feels really good in aoe

#

your block & parry gets normalized because of how many targets, so the only real rng left is lotp

sick sentinel
#

Playing Ld instead of Sera smh

#

what is paldin

undone sun
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

analog zinc
#

sera is good for low targets

#

i like it on tyra ML for example just because of how inconsistant holy shield is for rixxa

#

KR too because you dont pull big enough for LD to do anything

sick sentinel
#

panda paladin WHEN

#

when it happens

#

hawgadin will rise

strong forum
#

pandalin

sick sentinel
#

careful not to slice your finger off on the pandalin

analog zinc
sick sentinel
#

hate pandalari troll

nimble mauve
#

That hurts

sick sentinel
#

know what else hurts

cosmic oasis
#

just why

sick sentinel
#

forgetting shield block

cosmic oasis
#

hey it lowkey won't matter next raid cuz its 90% magic dots wooooo

sick sentinel
#

dont drink the cool aid

#

you know who is afraid of a little magic damage

#

dweebs

#

dweebs are afraid

#

are you a dweeb

undone sun
#

hawgz king dweeb

sick sentinel
#

and kings fear nothing

undone sun
#

🏃‍♂️

sick sentinel
#

especially not magic damage

distant crystal
#

you know what's good against non-physical dmg

#

leech

ionic fern
#

N o.

#

We don't use that word here.

distant crystal
#

fixt

woven venture
#

Man I'm like 25+ Atal'Dazars and 15+ waycrests in without either trinket. Rocking a jes howler and a lingering sporepods, lol. I hate it.

#

Feel like those 2 trinkets will help my boss damage a lot. I can't seem to pull good numbers on single target, like 16-17k.

distant crystal
#

welp i hope you don't get it for another...3 weeks

#

🙂

undone sun
#

you know what leech is good against?

#

Nothing.

ionic fern
#

Leech is good at something..triggering people.

#

@woven venture if you're worried about single target then i'd advice going to raid and getting Razor Coral/Inkpod.
Gore/Rezan's are good m+ trinkets but they won't do miracles in your ST damage.

woven venture
#

Thanks for the tip Yeah, so far since coming back this patch I haven't done any raiding so it's all M+ gear for me. I think my friend group is going to try to start doing heroic together + pugs in 8.3 though.

ionic fern
#

Have you tried simming yourself for ST?

#

And welcome back.

sick sentinel
#

I heard someone said leech

#

I have been summoned

ionic fern
#

If i was a Warlock i would "Dismiss Pet" right now.

sick sentinel
#

If I was a warlock I would “uninstall game” right now

#

Kek

brittle owl
#

you're too fat to be a warlock

ripe mason
#

What do I need to do to be eligible to raid Ny'alotha when the patch hits?

#

Cloak ofc, but what else?

ebon hound
#

only normal and hc are available on patch day, so normal frontal lobe development I guess.

steep wraith
#

Do you actually need the cloak to raid?

ripe mason
#

I'm guessing.

#

Since you're going to get corruption gear.

#

And it provides corruption resistance.

steep wraith
#

That doesn't stop you raiding though

left hatch
#

normal and hc arn't available on patch day.... they open a week later

sick sentinel
#

Hey everybody 🙂

ionic fern
#

Hello.

sick sentinel
#

i am pretty new in tanky with a prot 🙂 i hope i can learn a lot in here 🙂

left hatch
#

and as far as what you 'need' to get into the raid, you need to do the 2ish hour long intro questline that walks you through corruption, assaults, mini assaults and the Vision scenario

#

so technically you do need the cloak to raid because it unlocks along the way

ionic fern
#

@sick sentinel Welcome. :)
Start off by reading the icy-veins guide found in #268491842637660160 Protection section. That will give you the basic knowledge needed as Protection Warrior. If anything is confusing or you have any questions just ask them there.

left hatch
#

no reason you shouldn't be trying to upgrade it though, because its the only cloak that will drop from now on, and besides the corruption resistance you get a sizeable mainstat proc and possibly something else at rank 15, due to timegating the highest ppl have gotten on ptr are 13 rn so we'll see

sick sentinel
#

Thx. I did so far. I am sure i will raise some questions later on. in the meantime i will read and try to take for me what is helpful

ripe mason
#

Just follow the golden rule of prot tanking.

#

Clap

left hatch
#

and currency from that scenario is also the way to create a socket roughly every other week (once you're full clearing it on hardest difficulty) and gives 470 loot so... progression through that is arguably as important as M+ weekly

steep wraith
#

Is it only 1 cloak level per week? Or would doing 3 visions give you 3 levels?

left hatch
#

each run can give you more upgrade material, as you progress it takes more materials to upgrade

#

week one you get 2 freebies so you can get to rank 4/5 (idr if one of the freebies is getting the baseline)

#

by the time you get to r12+ it takes like 2 weeks+ per rank

steep wraith
#

Ah. So important to do 3 visions per week for a while then

left hatch
#

yah, it won't wind down till you max at 15, then you only need to do 1 run a week with masks (hard mode) to get the corruption res bonus to it

#

but even then itll still be worth to do the 3 a week for sockets

rapid belfry
#

Think we'll be as powerful in s4 as in s3? We got a lot of shit in s3 with majors and minors

sweet summit
#

Tiny bit stronger dps wise due to a small vop buff

brittle owl
#

s4 adds nothing special

#

outside corrupted gear

sweet summit
#

O ya, and that

slender stirrup
#

Will prot still be in a good spot for m+ next season?

sweet summit
#

Probably

left hatch
#

'nothing special'

#

idk corrupted gear could get pretty crazy

wary lantern
#

Vdh gonna be meta, right?

#

o_O

left hatch
#

why would it be?

sweet summit
#

Its good, not meta

left hatch
#

itll still be in the same place, either really buff tankyness with no output via gluttony, or high output but paper with Spirit bomb

#

the only meta shift is monk bumping down a bit in M+

wary lantern
#

they should just make spirit bomb baseline

sweet summit
#

Mood

ionic fern
#

Warrior will still be in a good spot next tier for m+. We don't have any changes coming our way and our best major essence is getting a buff. Dungeons have been receiving some fixes as well to some deadly abilities. The only addition as others have already stated is the corrupted gear and their benefits/disadvantages. Our damage is still going to be top-notch and so is our survivability. If anything we will become more popular than monks again due to the nerfs they received and Emissaries being gone.

abstract meteor
#

What do I roll for -
435 shoulders with thunderclap / avatar traits
450 chest with meele dps / shield slam trait

Do I roll another chest or roll for shoulders?
Uncertain how to judge traits vs ilvl.
Focused on m+

#

My head is 450 with avatar / thunderclap

ionic fern
#

What's "melee dps"? Reckless Flurry?

abstract meteor
#

Yea the furt one

#

Fury

ionic fern
#

You don't want to use that in Mythic +,.

#

If you already have Deafening Crash on your 450 head piece then i would roll for 450 shoulders.

#

What's the other trait on the chest?

abstract meteor
#

The other choice on that piece is dogshit, dont remmeber what one

ionic fern
#

Do you remember the name of the shoulder piece?

#

Most of the prot specific traits are pretty decent when it comes to m+.

abstract meteor
#

It has the block one, ive seen some people run reckless flurry but 0 people run the block one on top IO prots

#

The chest that is

warm plinth
#

Iron Fortress? That's a really good trait

abstract meteor
#

«Really good» yeah idk about that one bud

warm plinth
#

lul what

brittle owl
#

it actually is

warm plinth
#

It's a really good trait.

ionic fern
#

It's a really good trait and does A LOT more than Reckless Flurry.

brittle owl
#

(in m+)

ionic fern
#

@abstract meteor IF does damage on blocking attacks AND increases your block. Majority of m+ dungeons is physical/blockable damage meaning you will gain a lot of value out of it.
Reckless Flurry only increases your single target DPS and provides literally 0 other benefits.

#

Reckless Flurry is used ONLY for single target damage "parsing" in raids.

warm plinth
#

It's especially going to be nice in the start of 8.3 because you're going to be getting hit harder in dungeons due to the k values changing, so that's also worth thinking about.

ionic fern
#

If you know who used RF in m+ and they are here i would gladly have a argument with him regarding its usage in m+.

abstract meteor
#

That’s implying more st target dmg on a tyra week is bad. The dmg from if is pretty meh, the block is decent thi

brittle owl
abstract meteor
#

All my research is just looking through top 50 people on IO and what they run

brittle owl
#

yeah thats bad research

#

since io logs what you logout in

ionic fern
#

^

brittle owl
#

among other things

ionic fern
#

You will see some people log out in full fury traits, doesn't mean you should use them.

#

🤷

warm plinth
#

Not only that, but people at the top of the list tend to do things that either don't apply to anyone but them, or they experiment with a lot of things.

left hatch
#

If you really want to research top io people watch their streams to see what they actually use and get the context in which they're using them

#

some top io ppl log out with toy gear.... doesn't mean you should use it

ionic fern
#

If you want to improve your single target on tyrannical weeks there are more beneficial options in the grand scheme of things like BfI which also provides a good amount of damage on ST while also giving a defensive benefit.

#

In general this should not be needed tho.

left hatch
#

or using a trinket like Inkpod, since its pretty good overall

brittle owl
#

^

#

or cyclo

left hatch
#

cyclo i wouldn't lean as heavily on, because its not nearly as good in aoe and can't block while channeling so you gotta know when to use it

brittle owl
#

optimizing your traits to something around like 30-40% of the encounter type you face is counter productive

#

you get more mileage out of other choices

left hatch
#

but yah... reckless flurry is exclusively for padding in ST raid fights lul

ionic fern
#

On 20 Tyrannical Goliath 30 stacks
Cyclo comes off CD
Me:PROFOUND SWEATING

brittle owl
#

just have your dh taunt+netherwalk+veng retreat

#

ezclap

ionic fern
#

Sorry, i only run with un-popular classes.

#

MM/Affliction/Enhance/Resto Shaman

left hatch
#

just MD to the healer, they can ankh after you're done channeling

#

4head

#

(:

ionic fern
#

😂

brittle owl
#

affliction

#

next thing you'll tell me is you run ravager on necro weeks

#

KEKW

ionic fern
#

What.

#

o.o

#

I run Ravager every week.

left hatch
#

sir. Ravager Warden essence best combo 8.3

undone sun
#

no

ionic fern
#

FOR ANYONE READING IT'S A JOKE.

undone sun
#

😡

slim pier
#

ravager> anything

brittle owl
#

FOR EVERYONE READING IT'S A REALLY GOOD ONE YOU SHOULD TRY IT

left hatch
#

^ do'nt even bother with the other talents, just take raveger and leave rest blank

slim pier
#

For everyone reading

#

^

ionic fern
#

🛑

undone sun
#

look what you did

ionic fern
#

I did bad

#

😦

undone sun
#

smh my head

#

some mod

ionic fern
#

Then again i can change their names to "Don'tListenToMe"-.

slim pier
#

im going to make a conspiracay theory out of it

brittle owl
#

you can't change me

sick sentinel
#

@ionic fern run with an arms warrior as well

ionic fern
#

I have actually always wanted to find a arms warrior and a SV hunter and invite them to m+.

#

Never get any tho.

#

😒

oblique garnet
#

Its because youre on alliance

brittle owl
#

no being alliance just means he doesn't have friends

ionic fern
#

Both true.

warm plinth
#

Jesus Mwahi, and I thought my comp was off-meta

mortal brook
#

this week's comp was 3 pallies and 2 druids for me

sick sentinel
#

This is not even mwahi's final form

vapid ibex
#

whats more important 1 defeaning crash or 1 bloodsport?

warm plinth
#

Bloodsport isn't even remotely important.

#

Deafening Crash x1 is basically mandatory

#

Unless you're parsing in ST

sand egret
#

false. its a great action flick.

warm plinth
#

Listen Blade

#

I will fight you

sand egret
#

in a Kumite?

warm plinth
#

I've never seen Bloodsport btw

undone sun
#

not missing much

warm plinth
#

JCVD would be disappointed

sand egret
#

missing a whole lot

#

wonderful miller product placement

warm plinth
#

I think it's been on Netflix for like 2 years

sand egret
#

classic 80s quips

#

iconic JCVD doing splits cuz why not

warm plinth
#

Oh yeah, he loves to do splits because he can do splits

sand egret
#

yeeep it's a gem

exotic spoke
#

Thyme, it may not be a great movie. But it’s required watching for anyone born before 97

warm plinth
#

ngl Timecop is one of my all time faves

sand egret
#

yeah it's very classic JVCD in this one

warm plinth
#

I'm still kicking. I must be on Broadway!

undone sun
#

hmmm

#

why such a specific year

sand egret
#

that's the cutoff

undone sun
#

and i asked why

tame garden
#

I've never seen it

sand egret
#

and that's why 🙃

tame garden
sand egret
#

:unbearable:

undone sun
#

cross server emotes when @ionic fern

sand egret
#

classic prot just ignoring huge bear buffs smh my head

exotic spoke
#

Cause that makes you an 80s or 90s kid at least and they should watch it

undone sun
#

:angrybear:

tame garden
#

Riki we have new emotes

exotic spoke
#

And it’s also arbitrary

tame garden
#

How will prot ever recover

exotic spoke
#

Be checking out cool discord with new emotes

tame garden
#

cant block the lieutenant tank buster

#

no new emotes

#

Prot is dead

warm plinth
#

😢

sand egret
#

wanna hear a funny story, i have a tank that's giving up on his prot war cuz "it's too squishy". He's going back to BDK.

warm plinth
#

🙃

sand egret
#

that's it. that's the story.

warm plinth
#

What level keys does this guy do

sand egret
#

keys?!

#

pffff

#

mostly just Heroic raids tbh

exotic spoke
#

I feel squishy in very few situations. But most tanks would too.

warm plinth
#

Imagine feeling squishy in heroic raids 🤔

undone sun
#

imagine imagining

warm plinth
#

Imagine imagining imagining

sand egret
#

imagine only blocking ~60% of hits you take....

exotic spoke
#

Imagine there’s no heaven....

#

It’s easy if you try

#

No hell below

#

above us only sky

warm plinth
#

Imagine all the people

sand egret
#

hell isn't below, hell is trying to function when you have that stupid haste debuff on you in SoB

#

shakes fist

tame garden
#

Bro

#

Heck siege

#

My gcds

exotic spoke
#

Imagine all the people.... living life in peace

tame garden
warm plinth
#

What haste debuff in SoB

sand egret
#

i got into those packs like "alright, i got one thrash....gotta make it count!"

tame garden
#

The footmen debuff

sand egret
#

the little footman shits or whatever givve you -50% haste

warm plinth
#

Oh hindering cut or w/e the fuck it's called?

sand egret
#

yeah

tame garden
#

For the first half of the dungeon

sand egret
#

it's just annoying as fuck

warm plinth
#

Never noticed it was a haste debuff tbh

tame garden
#

It's a massive haste debuff

warm plinth
#

I know that it hurts me badly on my DH when I jump the gun a bit

empty nacelle
#

theres a haste debuff in mechagon trash too

tame garden
#

How do you not notice that!

sand egret
#

cuz you got dps going ham and your gcd comes once every fuckin trimester

tame garden
#

Yeah bork

warm plinth
#

I mean, I'm a DH

tame garden
#

From the mecha doggies

warm plinth
#

I have 18 billion % haste

undone sun
#

nice

warm plinth
#

Bork is avoidable though, fortunately

tame garden
#

Bork is a dodge able frontal yeah

empty nacelle
#

indeed

warm plinth
#

And if you stun them during cast they don't redo it

tame garden
#

^ this is good to know

warm plinth
#

idk about like Typhoon but might work?

tame garden
#

Typhoon is so barbaric

warm plinth
#

Probably any stop works

tame garden
#

I have my roar

exotic spoke
#

Fear them and win

warm plinth
#

Oh, yeah. I guess you have to use Intimidating Roar for something huh?

tame garden
#

30s cd aoe stop

exotic spoke
#

Fear is clutch against the slimes before kujo

sand egret
#

so I have an ongoing ploy with a guildie where I have them convinced that they need to "soak" the volatile eruption casts the little slimes do in mechagon....

#

i fucking dying laughing every time he gets sad

warm plinth
#

Yeah, though stun works for that too so you can actually do both 😄

#

Just do them all in 2 pulls

sand egret
#

cuz we refuse to tell him it's avoidable

warm plinth
#

No relying on party

exotic spoke
#

@sand egret a fear while they are casting will stop the damage btw

warm plinth
#

lmfao, that's fun shit

sand egret
#

i'm well aware

#

i can roar it easily

tame garden
#

What you talking about

sand egret
#

i just make him die

warm plinth
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Do you just tell him he did it wrong when he dies?

sand egret
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so i can get enjoyment

exotic spoke
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And yeah, we didn’t know we could LoS them lol

sand egret
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yeah

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exactly Ghash

exotic spoke
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Some people just want to watch the world burn

warm plinth
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Like give him a hard time. "Bro what the fuck, I told you to soak that"

exotic spoke
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I’m one of those. I want to watch people die (in game)

warm plinth
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I wonder if the slimes do on-death affixes

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That'll be fun

sand egret
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the TLDR is that he's a person who triggered me super hard by refusing to go into the Dungeon Journal and read an ability....

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soo

warm plinth
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Mega doggy

tame garden
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The slimes better do on deaths

exotic spoke
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What class does he play?

sand egret
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hunter

exotic spoke
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You know. I’m not even surprised

sand egret
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yeah, so now those slimes "must be soaked by one person or the party wipes" rest of the crew LoS's safely

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pretty sure he's lost thousands in gold on repair bills at this point

tame garden
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Incredible

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I wonder how far into the tier you can keep it going

sand egret
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going on over a month now

warm plinth
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You'd think he'd at least turtle

sand egret
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i'm a bit worried that they'll stumble upon a M+ mechagon testing stream and learn otherwise....

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Ghash...you didn't think I thought of that?

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"gotta take the damage"

tame garden
sand egret
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not the brightest bulb let me tell you

warm plinth
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Oh dear

ionic fern
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@undone sun i'm tryiiiing.

undone sun
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Not hard enough

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SMH

warm plinth
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All this effort into emojis and not enough in getting me SF, smh

undone sun
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Facts

tame garden
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#ghash2020

exotic spoke
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Not NotRiki 2020

undone sun
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Who

exotic spoke
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So... Riki... that’s how that works right?

warm plinth
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That one dude who isn't Riki

undone sun
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I'm not Riki

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@warm plinth is not Riki

tame garden
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I'm PossiblyRiki